boris johnson is next month. borisjohnson is urging the government to hand everything without reduction, people think he has got nothing to lose. people have been talking about this a lot recently, every acid tongued comment, it is the new word in your ear. why should it become a word to the world? rishi sunak�*s people are reticent, only what is relevant. why are they reticent? people are making their own conclusions as to whether it is relevant or not. we will be the judge of that, or the judge well. or is this overreach? why should a four letter word describing a colleague relevant to the public inquiry? we cannot blame people for wanting to keep things under wraps,

these things don't leak, this is tantamount to bugging their rooms. it is a high—pressure situation, of course they said things, but this is about the biggest public health crisis for 100 years. covid inquiry full disclosure? and here is the news. ministers have until 4 o�* clock today to hand over borisjohnson�*s unredacted whatsapp messages — notebooks and official diaries to the covid public inquiry. the head of it has warned of legal action — if all the documents aren't provided. downing street has so far refused to hand over material it doesn't consider relevant.

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another thing about those personal works at messages which they are sent to each other and the group chats of course, how would you feel if your group chats were all the newspapers? that is something to concentrate on. they are only human. allegedly. matt hancock when his messages were released did not tarnish his reputation on the court of public opinion. the inquiry is very sane, it is set up to get answers about the uk's response to the mid—19 pandemic, resilience, decision—making and political governance as well. all the issues about how prepared the country was, how our politicians responded. surely it is necessary to know

everything they were saying to each other. if thejudge everything they were saying to each other. if the judge thinks it is necessary and relevant. simon jenkins, guardian columnist, good morning. should we see everything? as a journalist and they will say yes. i thought, as a journalist and they will say yes. ithought, when as a journalist and they will say yes. i thought, when you stop and think, what is it that appears to be being asked? would you like every conversation you ever had with your boss about a delicate matter to be subjected to scrutiny by a lawyer outside the building? when you stop and think what they are asking for, it cannot be beyond their ability to find out what was going on, most countries have had their inquiries and got on with life. this is ridiculous, it has become a legal wrangle that goes on and on. it

costs millions of pounds, are we going to learn anything new? i think not. we know what went on, it has got out of hand.— got out of hand. people will say a cover u - , got out of hand. people will say a cover up. they — got out of hand. people will say a cover up, they need _ got out of hand. people will say a cover up, they need to _ got out of hand. people will say a cover up, they need to be - got out of hand. people will say a cover up, they need to be full- cover up, they need to be full disclosure and total transparency. war if you want to know who went to the toilet when,... the baroness is not going to think it's relevant about who went to the try that at a particular time. are grey areas, about what someone said about someone else in a situation. that is true, in someone else in a situation. that is true. in any — someone else in a situation. that is true, in any organisation _ someone else in a situation. that is true, in any organisation people - someone else in a situation. that isj true, in any organisation people say things to other people in privacy, which they would not like everyone to know about. i think the theory

that downing street, the cabinet, should be available for the whole world to know about or for others to know about and make decisions about, i think it's dangerous. the consequence would be that no one will have it controversial conversation, no one will talk out of turn, they will worry that things will be taken down and evidence against them, it is a dangerous route. borisjohnson appears not to object. all i know is the concept of privacy, of conversations and dealings between people when they are in power, it is important to challenge them about their decisions, they should be concept of confidentiality operating, it is not unreasonable to say to inquiry, you are entitled to look into things

that are to do with what you are looking into which is both at 19, but to ask to look into the tiny nick and cranny, apparently to see if they were distracted by something else, that is the purpose of the inquiry. it is a dangerous route and will not lead to better government. some people will argue we need to know about the tensions were then, did not go too far away, the covid—19 bereaved families for justice. that morning. what is your overview on what is going on and the row about it all? do you take any points from simon king i do row about it all? do you take any points from simon king— row about it all? do you take any points from simon king i do in part, some years — points from simon king i do in part, some years ago. — points from simon king i do in part, some years ago, we _ points from simon king i do in part, some years ago, we would - points from simon king i do in part, some years ago, we would have - some years ago, we would have been talking _ some years ago, we would have been talking about the use of personal e-mails — talking about the use of personal e—mails for conducting government business _ e—mails for conducting government business which was a nil nil. and

now— business which was a nil nil. and now we — business which was a nil nil. and now we have got whatsapp, i'm not a bil now we have got whatsapp, i'm not a big fan. _ now we have got whatsapp, i'm not a big fan. but_ now we have got whatsapp, i'm not a big fan, but if government business is being _ big fan, but if government business is being conducted on there, yes, it becomes— is being conducted on there, yes, it becomes relevant. a private confidential discussion would remain self. confidential discussion would remain seif~ i_ confidential discussion would remain self. i agree with simon that has to be an_ self. i agree with simon that has to be an important part of the way governments function. you have to be able to— governments function. you have to be able to be _ governments function. you have to be able to be candid. but if you conduct _ able to be candid. but if you conduct government business on whatsapp, then it becomes relevant. i do whatsapp, then it becomes relevant. i do not _ whatsapp, then it becomes relevant. i do not know why it is an option today— i do not know why it is an option today for— i do not know why it is an option today for rishi sunak not to hand over the — today for rishi sunak not to hand over the information. what today for rishi sunak not to hand over the information.— today for rishi sunak not to hand over the information. what do you make of that? _ over the information. what do you make of that? this _ over the information. what do you make of that? this is _ over the information. what do you make of that? this is for - over the information. what do you make of that? this is for the - make of that? this is for the westminster bubble. why would you —— why would he not want his messages

seen as some people perceive it but borisjohnson is cavalier about it now. maybe he has got nothing to lose. there is a game of chess going on here between the two of them. rishi sunak got a fine along with boris _ rishi sunak got a fine along with borisjohnson. as it a smoking gun? is borisjohnson. as it a smoking gun? is he _ borisjohnson. as it a smoking gun? is he trying — borisjohnson. as it a smoking gun? is he trying to save his political capital— is he trying to save his political capital now. i don't know. the bottom — capital now. i don't know. the bottom line as the powers that the inquiry— bottom line as the powers that the inquiry has — bottom line as the powers that the inquiry has out there and they are inquiry has out there and they are in law, _ inquiry has out there and they are in law, and — inquiry has out there and they are in law, and she is asking for the information— in law, and she is asking for the information and she needs to have it. ., ., y information and she needs to have it. ., ., , ., ., , information and she needs to have it. not only for the families, but for the what _ it. not only for the families, but for the what you _ it. not only for the families, but for the what you have _ it. not only for the families, but for the what you have gone - it. not only for the families, but - for the what you have gone through, our hearts will always go out to you. it is still important to what happens next time something like this hits us, how we deal with it.

then this hits us, how we deal with it. the , , ., ., , ., then the first question was how reared then the first question was how prepared we — then the first question was how prepared we were _ then the first question was how prepared we were and - then the first question was how prepared we were and the - then the first question was how prepared we were and the poor| prepared we were and the poor political— prepared we were and the poor political decisions were made and that is— political decisions were made and that is where whatsapp comes in. being _ that is where whatsapp comes in. being prepared, something of this scale _ being prepared, something of this scale wiii— being prepared, something of this scale will happen again, this inquiry— scale will happen again, this inquiry will not be over until 2026, and lots _ inquiry will not be over until 2026, and lots of— inquiry will not be over until 2026, and lots of other countries have... the families — and lots of other countries have... the families were pulling for this in 2020, — the families were pulling for this in 2020, 2021. to be here and only 'ust in 2020, 2021. to be here and only just starting, we are on the back fit again — just starting, we are on the back fit aaain. ., . just starting, we are on the back fitarain. ., . . just starting, we are on the back fit aaain. ., . _, . ., fit again. how much confidence do ou have fit again. how much confidence do you have that _ fit again. how much confidence do you have that the _ fit again. how much confidence do you have that the inquiry - fit again. how much confidence do you have that the inquiry will- fit again. how much confidence do you have that the inquiry will get l you have that the inquiry will get to the heart of what happened? i hope the baroness is focused, i'm

sure _ hope the baroness is focused, i'm sure she — hope the baroness is focused, i'm sure she is, — hope the baroness is focused, i'm sure she is, we were hoping we would have more _ sure she is, we were hoping we would have more of— sure she is, we were hoping we would have more of invoice, more of our stories— have more of invoice, more of our stories coming on board. but being sensible. _ stories coming on board. but being sensible, that is a narrative. we need _ sensible, that is a narrative. we need to— sensible, that is a narrative. we need to click on the key functions, i need to click on the key functions, i can— need to click on the key functions, i can talk— need to click on the key functions, i can talk about my covid—19 experience and my uncle, and lots of families, _ experience and my uncle, and lots of families, but— experience and my uncle, and lots of families, but that is not useful to high _ families, but that is not useful to high we — families, but that is not useful to high. we need clear guidance to come out and _ high. we need clear guidance to come out and lessons learned. the high. we need clear guidance to come out and lessons learned.— out and lessons learned. the former director of communications - out and lessons learned. the former director of communications for - out and lessons learned. the former director of communications for boris j director of communications for boris johnson, what is happening? boris johnson, what is happening? boris johnson says here are all my diaries, here are all my whatsapp messages, you can release them to the inquiry. and rishi sunak is reticent. what is the story? boris

johnson ordered _ reticent. what is the story? boris johnson ordered the _ reticent. what is the story? err" 3 johnson ordered the inquiry, he wants it to be a success, getting to the root of what happened? how prepared we were, did we take the right decisions? deadly balance the risk with opportunity? —— we balance? and he is keen to exploit that filly, especially the families who suffered. pits the current government in a tricky position. ? is there an ulterior motive? he is offering to hand over his whatsapp and his diaries, do we have to go back to an evil character portrayal of borisjohnson say back to an evil character portrayal of boris johnson say that back to an evil character portrayal of borisjohnson say that it is dead that he had agreed to do that. the important here is not the character of borisjohnson but

important here is not the character of boris johnson but the important here is not the character of borisjohnson but the decision by government at a critical point in british history. where did the right decisions? where they understand at the time? with the benefit of hindsight, that is what the mayor is there to establish so we know what happened. there to establish so we know what ha ened. ,y there to establish so we know what ha ened. _ ., there to establish so we know what hauened. ., ., there to establish so we know what hauened. . ., ~ ., happened. dooby have right to know, that certain ministers _ happened. dooby have right to know, that certain ministers thought - happened. dooby have right to know, that certain ministers thought that i that certain ministers thought that cabinet ministers where a complete d? ,, ., , ~ , , cabinet ministers where a complete d? simon jenkins is wise, government is conducted — d? simon jenkins is wise, government is conducted on _ d? simon jenkins is wise, government is conducted on whatsapp, _ d? simon jenkins is wise, government is conducted on whatsapp, that - d? simon jenkins is wise, government is conducted on whatsapp, that could | is conducted on whatsapp, that could be surprising, but the pace of decision—making is rapid and instant and people have to be involved. because of the pandemic, a lot of things that would have been round a table with key people, it did not

happen like that, it happened remotely. also, the speed of eight means that you have to have groups in whatsapp, it works well, keep people out there and it can base their objections and make suggestions in the heat of the moment. there has to be a space where people post arguments, play devils advocate, float ideas that may be crazy but i was considering. without that, then the line, being exposed out of context as people who have made crazy suggestions at the time. there has to be a space where it is not a free for all. you do not want the editorial meetings of radio 5 live being in the public domain, no headmaster would want decisions in the public domain. most companies could not function if key decisions that have sensitive shareholder impact and share value impact,

rather, work to be exposed. there has to be a grown—up balance, consideration given to all of this if the inquiry is not to shaft decision making the line. gave boris johnson the — decision making the line. gave boris johnson the benefit _ decision making the line. gave boris johnson the benefit of _ decision making the line. gave boris johnson the benefit of the _ decision making the line. gave boris johnson the benefit of the doubt, i johnson the benefit of the doubt, others might say, to ascribe to him on this motive would be peculiar. we southee. maria, john, good morning. what do you think? fill disclosure? access all areas?— access all areas? yes, i would like to comment _ access all areas? yes, i would like to comment on — access all areas? yes, i would like to comment on the _ access all areas? yes, i would like to comment on the last caller, - access all areas? yes, i would like to comment on the last caller, the j to comment on the last caller, the government are not shareholders, we are talking about the lives of people, if they want to order a phil

inquiry, it should be if phil inquiry. thejudge has given instructions to follow, i don't know the term, if the judge said if something, —— maxi want something, you conform to what the judge has asked for. the arrogance of this tory party since day one, you don't need to listen to all this stuff, judge, it is irrelevant. they appointed thejudge, it is judge, it is irrelevant. they appointed the judge, it is for judge, it is irrelevant. they appointed thejudge, it is for a judge to decide and if it is irrelevant she will make that decision. untilthen, they irrelevant she will make that decision. until then, they have to accept what thejudge decision. until then, they have to accept what the judge says. they got away with it once. they've had it put back two days, i would think, what have you got to hide? if it is

irrelevant, give it to the judge. everybody�*s inclination is to say, if you do not want to give it to the judge, what is your problem? what have you got to hide?— have you got to hide? there will be a lot to wade _ have you got to hide? there will be a lot to wade through. _ have you got to hide? there will be a lot to wade through. do - have you got to hide? there will be a lot to wade through. do you - have you got to hide? there will be a lot to wade through. do you take | a lot to wade through. do you take simon's point, a lot was said in high pressure situations. off—the—cuff, this obliging stuff about colleagues and maybe we should do this, and if you were to release and wade through it all, it could give you a false impression. this was tittle tattle. this was not the heart of it. it was not the core of the issue. it heart of it. it was not the core of the issue-— heart of it. it was not the core of the issue. , , . , ., ~' the issue. it depends what you think is at the heart _ the issue. it depends what you think is at the heart of _ the issue. it depends what you think is at the heart of the _ the issue. it depends what you think is at the heart of the issue. -

the issue. it depends what you think is at the heart of the issue. i - the issue. it depends what you think is at the heart of the issue. i have i is at the heart of the issue. i have got a friend who works behind a bar, he said he can get the ppi and data contracts. he has no experience but will give him 20 billion to provide with the equipment. that needs to known. he said what? why? we are talking about billions of money going missing besides what happened to the lives of ordinary people. aha, to the lives of ordinary people. a lot of people will say that is key. let's talk to helen in bridgwater and maria. even the peripheral things, it might lead us to the truth. it should be the judge who decides. before we go to heaven and maria, simonjenkins, do you think there is a fear in the heart of

government from rishi sunak that some of these messages might be deemed irrelevant by the baroness but would somehow leak out as things tend to do? simonjenkins? i will leave that thought in the air. let's talk to maria and helen. what do you think? fill disclosure? trio. talk to maria and helen. what do you think? fill disclosure?— think? fill disclosure? no, it is a waste of arab _ think? fill disclosure? no, it is a waste of arab money. _ think? fill disclosure? no, it is a waste of arab money. an - think? fill disclosure? no, it is a - waste of arab money. an absolutement of money. —— matt of arab money. the popularity of borisjohnson at the time, he kept his brexit promise and kept other promises. his handling of

the pandemic, how many would have said, maybe it was not for everyone, he may not have served everybody, however, he was bold, and he was so popular! imagine a politician turning areas where they had been voting labourfor 35 turning areas where they had been voting labour for 35 years, turning areas where they had been voting labourfor 35 years, he fulfilled a lot of what he promised. how many politicians and uc did that? not many. d0 how many politicians and uc did that? not many.— how many politicians and uc did that? not many. do you want to say what rishi sunak _ that? not many. do you want to say what rishi sunak messages - that? not many. do you want to say what rishi sunak messages were . that? not many. do you want to say i what rishi sunak messages were sent on whatsapp about lockdown? it is not aroin on whatsapp about lockdown? it is not going to _ on whatsapp about lockdown? it 3 not going to change the pandemic. on whatsapp about lockdown? it is i not going to change the pandemic. do you want to know, helen? yes, i

not going to change the pandemic. do you want to know, helen? yes, they l you want to know, helen? yes, they work for us- — you want to know, helen? yes, they work for us. you _ you want to know, helen? yes, they work for us. you cannot _ you want to know, helen? yes, they work for us. you cannot keep - you want to know, helen? yes, they| work for us. you cannot keep secrets from _ work for us. you cannot keep secrets from the _ work for us. you cannot keep secrets from the people that put you in government. nothing redacted or anything — government. nothing redacted or anything else, they may think that the public— anything else, they may think that the public are going to panic. we are a _ the public are going to panic. we are a lot — the public are going to panic. we are a lot stronger than they think we are _ are a lot stronger than they think we are if— are a lot stronger than they think we are. if they want boris johnson's diaries, _ we are. if they want boris johnson's diaries, give— we are. if they want boris johnson's diaries, give them to them. rishi sunak— diaries, give them to them. rishi sunak is— diaries, give them to them. rishi sunak is saying, yes, no, i don't know _ sunak is saying, yes, no, i don't know what _ sunak is saying, yes, no, i don't know. what has he got to hide? they are askin: know. what has he got to hide? they are asking for— know. what has he got to hide? they are asking for boris _ know. what has he got to hide? tue: are asking for boris johnson's are asking for borisjohnson's diary. are asking for boris johnson's dia . , ., ., ~ ., ., are asking for boris johnson's dia . , ., ., ., , diary. yes, dear, i do know that but rishi sunak — diary. yes, dear, i do know that but rishi sunak is _ diary. yes, dear, i do know that but rishi sunak is saying _ diary. yes, dear, i do know that but rishi sunak is saying i _ diary. yes, dear, i do know that but rishi sunak is saying i don't - diary. yes, dear, i do know that but rishi sunak is saying i don't know . rishi sunak is saying i don't know about— rishi sunak is saying i don't know about that — rishi sunak is saying i don't know about that. we rishi sunak is saying i don't know about that-— about that. we will come back to this, if boris _ about that. we will come back to this, if boris johnson _ about that. we will come back to this, if boris johnson is - about that. we will come back to this, if boris johnson is seeing i

about that. we will come back to this, if boris johnson is seeing it | this, if borisjohnson is seeing it and have it all, the pressure is on rishi sunak as well. breaking news, the labour mp has been suspended by his party investigating allegations made on the website to date meaning he will lose the party whip during the investigations. the bbc has contacted him for comment, and so far has received no response. i think we can speak to our political correspondent. can you tell us more? there is not a great deal more i can tell you, in terms of mr davies, he will lose the party whip while this investigation goes on, he has been administratively suspended which is administratively suspended which is a freeze on wages around westminster but they are looking into allegations, we have tried to contact him, but we have not had a

response but he has told that he does not recognise the allegations, he does not know who made them and no formal complaint has been made by his party. he goes on in a statement that he has given to politico, it is important that we have equal respect, always talking about working in the house of commons, in terms of the response of commons, in terms of the response of labour, it has been confirmed that they had suspended him while they are investigating. i will be jet their response, to give you a flavour of what they are saying, a spokesperson has told that these incredibly serious allegations are of unacceptable behaviour, we strongly encourage anyone to cut firewood to the investigation of the labour party, they will have access to an independent support service,

the last i was told, my understanding is that at the moment, labour has not received a formal complaint about geraint davies, the veteran mp, but we will keep you posted on that.— veteran mp, but we will keep you posted on that. veteran mp, but we will keep you osted on that. ., , ., , posted on that. how prominent is the in the party? — posted on that. how prominent is the in the party? what — posted on that. how prominent is the in the party? what is _ posted on that. how prominent is the in the party? what is his _ posted on that. how prominent is the in the party? what is his profile? i i in the party? what is his profile? i suspect a lot of people will not have heard of him, he has chaired a select committee in the past, influential groups who look at particular issues and some people to parliament to give evidence, he is not a household name. he has been a labour mp in swansea for two decades, i would labour mp in swansea for two decades, iwould not labour mp in swansea for two decades, i would not say the most senior are the most prominent person in parliament at the moment.- in parliament at the moment. argued free and available _ in parliament at the moment. argued free and available to _ in parliament at the moment. argued free and available to talk _ in parliament at the moment. argued free and available to talk about i in parliament at the moment. argued free and available to talk about the i free and available to talk about the whatsapp row? we will tuck about that. helen and maria, i am so

sorry, i interrupted you, geoffrey is going to come in in a minute. abs]!!! is going to come in in a minute. all i want is going to come in in a minute. all iwant to is going to come in in a minute. all i want to know is fill disclosure. about _ i want to know is fill disclosure. about everything but specifically about this. you were saying, maria, and i would like it word from you? parent, if you are still with us. maria, you think it was exemplary the way borisjohnson handled that. on the fill disclosure thing, who instigated in the first place? going back to the pandemic, it caught the world on the hop. at the back of the

disclosure, i think it is a witch hunt. i would like to who started it. a, hunt. i would like to who started it. �* . hunt. i would like to who started it. . . ., ., , hunt. i would like to who started it. ~ . ., ., , ., it. a witchhunt against him and who is the ore-of— it. a witchhunt against him and who is the pre-of the _ it. a witchhunt against him and who is the pre-of the witchhunt? - is the pre—of the witchhunt? conservative party. they are the party in power. conservative party. they are the party in power-— conservative party. they are the party in power. they are using boris johnson because _ party in power. they are using boris johnson because they _ party in power. they are using boris johnson because they got _ party in power. they are using boris johnson because they got him i party in power. they are using boris johnson because they got him out. | party in power. they are using boris johnson because they got him out. i would love to know how the opposition would have handled. helen jefferies, how — opposition would have handled. helen jefferies, how do _ opposition would have handled. helen jefferies, how do you _ opposition would have handled. helen jefferies, how do you feel _ opposition would have handled. helen jefferies, how do you feel when you hear that? this transcends political manoeuvring. this is far more important. t manoeuvring. this is far more important-—

important. i agree that it is personal— important. i agree that it is personal but _ important. i agree that it is personal but it _ important. i agree that it is personal but it is _ important. i agree that it is personal but it is not i important. i agree that it is i personal but it is not personal to boris _ personal but it is not personal to borisjohnson, it is personal to me and every— borisjohnson, it is personal to me and every family who lost someone when _ and every family who lost someone when they— and every family who lost someone when they should not have done. in circumstances that were horrific and have blown— circumstances that were horrific and have blown my family apart. this will happen again, not in the same way, _ will happen again, not in the same way, but _ will happen again, not in the same way, but something of this magnitude, it is widely acknowledged and signs— magnitude, it is widely acknowledged and signs is behind it, it will happen _ and signs is behind it, it will happen. we need to be ready, more ready— happen. we need to be ready, more ready than— happen. we need to be ready, more ready than we were before. we had to learn lessons. borisjohnson ready than we were before. we had to learn lessons. boris johnson was prime _ learn lessons. boris johnson was prime minister, rishi sunak is now prime _ prime minister, rishi sunak is now prime minister, rishi sunak is now prime minister, i'm sorry if it upsets— prime minister, i'm sorry if it upsets you _ prime minister, i'm sorry if it upsets you they are conservative, but they— upsets you they are conservative, but they are sitting in the seat and the need _ but they are sitting in the seat and the need to take responsibility to do what — the need to take responsibility to do what they need to do for the inquiry— do what they need to do for the inquiry that they set up and gave the clout — inquiry that they set up and gave the clout of the law too. the baroness _ the clout of the law too. the baroness has the full weight of the lot behind herand baroness has the full weight of the lot behind her and they give her that _ lot behind her and they give her that i_ lot behind her and they give her that i am — lot behind her and they give her that. lam not lot behind her and they give her that. i am not sure who you think the witchhunt is, but they set it

up. the witchhunt is, but they set it up l— the witchhunt is, but they set it u . _ , ., the witchhunt is, but they set it u -. ,. ., , the witchhunt is, but they set it u a , , ., ., , ., up. i disagree with that. they got boris johnson _ up. i disagree with that. they got boris johnson out _ up. i disagree with that. they got boris johnson out and _ up. i disagree with that. they got boris johnson out and everything | boris johnson out and everything else, who would benefit most from actually getting borisjohnson out of the limelight? who benefited whilst the things were going on and borisjohnson was on the television every day, saying, but we should do. the people did not listen to him. t the people did not listen to him. i went to my uncle's funeral and i did not hug _ went to my uncle's funeral and i did not hug my— went to my uncle's funeral and i did not hug my 83—year—old father. i was not hug my 83-year-old father. i was sensible, i work— not hug my 83-year-old father. i was sensible, i work my _ not hug my 83-year-old father. i was sensible, i work my mask, _ not hug my 83-year-old father. i was sensible, i work my mask, i- sensible, i work my mask, i hardly left the house. we

sensible, i work my mask, i hardly left the house.— sensible, i work my mask, i hardly left the house._ i i sensible, i work my mask, i hardlyj left the house._ i want left the house. we listened. i want to know who _ left the house. we listened. i want to know who was _ left the house. we listened. i want to know who was at _ left the house. we listened. i want to know who was at the _ left the house. we listened. i want to know who was at the back i left the house. we listened. i want to know who was at the back of i to know who was at the back of this witchhunt? they are not after boris johnson but they are using him as a lever. , ., lever. sorry, helen, what did you sa ? lever. sorry, helen, what did you say? why — lever. sorry, helen, what did you say? why does — lever. sorry, helen, what did you say? why does anyone _ lever. sorry, helen, what did you say? why does anyone have i lever. sorry, helen, what did you say? why does anyone have to i lever. sorry, helen, what did you| say? why does anyone have to be after anyone? _ say? why does anyone have to be after anyone? we _ say? why does anyone have to be after anyone? we are _ say? why does anyone have to be after anyone? we are after i say? why does anyone have to be after anyone? we are after the i after anyone? we are after the truth. after anyone? we are after the truth- boris — after anyone? we are after the truth. boris johnson _ after anyone? we are after the truth. boris johnson is - after anyone? we are after the truth. boris johnson is for i after anyone? we are after the j truth. boris johnson is for one, after anyone? we are after the i truth. boris johnson is for one, do truth. borisjohnson is for one, do not portray him as a parting picture as a duplicitous man, that is what was said earlier. borisjohnson could be portrayed as the hero, you must be joking! i _

could be portrayed as the hero, you must be joking! i said _ could be portrayed as the hero, you must be joking! i said he _ could be portrayed as the hero, you must be joking! i said he could i could be portrayed as the hero, you must be joking! i said he could be, | must be 'oking! i said he could be, he has must be joking! i said he could be, he has got — must be joking! i said he could be, he has got all _ must be joking! i said he could be, he has got all his _ must be joking! i said he could be, he has got all his messages - must be joking! i said he could be, he has got all his messages here l must be joking! i said he could be, i he has got all his messages here and he has got all his messages here and he is saying you can have them, baroness. here you are, please release them, cabinet office, to the baroness unredacted. rishi sunak does not want to do that. there we are. �* ., , does not want to do that. there we are. ,., ., ., are. boris johnson is aware of when he was prime _ are. boris johnson is aware of when he was prime minister, _ are. boris johnson is aware of when he was prime minister, a _ are. boris johnson is aware of when he was prime minister, a very, i are. boris johnson is aware of when he was prime minister, a very, very well educated thin. —— buffoon.. you see him going round during covid—19 without his face covering on. let's talk to our

political correspondent. when people mention that word, it gets a big response. he has passionate defenders. he has those who love the ground he walks on. what is at the heart? this transcends boris johnson. what is borisjohnson doing? is he the hero? here is my stuff? really set. i think the main row is between the government and the inquiry that is supposed to help us all understand what went on in government and the pandemic. the row is basically who decides what is relevant to the inquiry. you have lady hallett, the

chair of the inquiry, it is up to me to decide what whatsapp messages and diary entries i need to consider as part of my inquiry which has a legal and depending —— legal underpinning, one side of the argument. the other side is the cabinet office, the engine room of government which is saying, we cannot hand everything over because some of these whatsapp messages are private, some are personal, some could be to do with the families of ministers and things like that, and we think it would set a bad precedent. that is the battle. the most important battle is what is made available to public inquiry thatis made available to public inquiry that is supposed to get to the bottom of the government's handling of the pandemic. the battle at the site is borisjohnson lobbing a grenade in and saying, i think you should send it all to the inquiry, i have given you my unedited messages

and diary entries and i want you to send that to the inquiry, he is saying that to the cabinet office. matt hancock thinks the same. we have chatted to tory mps who think the government should avoid a long and potentially costly legal battle about this because ultimately a lot of lawyers think the government will lose, even if it is doing this on a point of principle. there is a lot of pressure on the cabinet office to change its position. i have to say, chatting to people this morning, speaking to people in government, i think it is unlikely. it speaking to people in government, i think it is unlikely.— think it is unlikely. it could end u . think it is unlikely. it could end u- in the think it is unlikely. it could end up in the courts. _ think it is unlikely. it could end up in the courts. probably i think it is unlikely. it could end j up in the courts. probably what think it is unlikely. it could end i up in the courts. probably what will ha en. up in the courts. probably what will happen- learn _ up in the courts. probably what will happen- learn it — up in the courts. probably what will happen. learn it friends _ up in the courts. probably what will happen. learn it friends could - up in the courts. probably what will happen. learn it friends could be i happen. learn it friends could be cominu in happen. learn it friends could be coming in very — happen. learn it friends could be coming in very soon. _ happen. learn it friends could be coming in very soon. if— happen. learn it friends could be coming in very soon. if you - happen. learn it friends could be coming in very soon. if you were | happen. learn it friends could be i coming in very soon. if you were to be incredibly cynical, and you are not, i know that, straight as a die, but there are cynical people in your world who would say the aforementioned mr hancock and the aforementioned mr hancock and the aforementioned and much mentioned borisjohnson do not like rishi sunak and would like to drop him in

it, those people say that.— it, those people say that. yeah, matt hancock — it, those people say that. yeah, matt hancock backed _ it, those people say that. yeah, matt hancock backed rishi - it, those people say that. yeah, - matt hancock backed rishi sunak. .. matt hancock backed rishi sunak... famous snob and a handshake. . matt hancock backed rishi sunak. .. famous snob and a handshake. . there is a bit of a _ famous snob and a handshake. . there is a bit of a politics _ famous snob and a handshake. . there is a bit of a politics to _ famous snob and a handshake. . there is a bit of a politics to this _ famous snob and a handshake. . there is a bit of a politics to this -- _ is a bit of a politics to this —— snub. calculation from boris johnson's camp about what it would mean for him and some might be about rishi sunak�*s position but i think there is probably a broader thing which is being seen to be cooperative with the inquiry because borisjohnson and matt hancock when they make their public appearances before the inquiry, it will be across the airwaves, we will be talking about it, a really big deal. they will have a hard time. they will be big question asked about the decisions they made. there will probably be some embarrassing revelations. i suspect the calculation borisjohnson and perhaps matt hancock have made in

the past few weeks is they need to just come clean and give everything over so they are not being seen to cover up stuff. over so they are not being seen to cover un stuff-— cover up stuff. thank you. our olitical cover up stuff. thank you. our political correspondent. - cover up stuff. thank you. our political correspondent. that l cover up stuff. thank you. 0ur| political correspondent. that is what we are putting to you, this morning, full disclosure? what do you think? get in touch. and here is the news. the cabinet office has until four o'clock this afternoon to hand over borisjohnson's whatsapp messages, notebooks and official diaries to the covid public inquiry. the head of it has warned of legal action if all the documents aren't provided. downing street has so far refused to hand over material it doesn't consider relevant. the labour mp geraint davies has been suspended by his party as it

investigates allegations made on the politico website. it means he will lose the party whip during the investigation. the bbc has contacted mr davies for comment but so far received no response. a 12—year—old girl and a 17—year—old boy have died after being pulled from the sea off bournemouth beach. a man in his 40s has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter. eight other people were treated for non—life—threatening injuries. nationwide is warning interest rate increases are likely to affect the housing market in the short term. rates are set to increase again to try to bring inflation down, and the building society says it'll mean mortgage rates stay higher for longer. those were the news headlines. now with the sport, here's nick hatton. the ashes fast approaching. england pace bowler ollie robinson has told slive that he wants to see the "fear in the eyes" of australia's batters. the first ashes test

begins in 15 days time, with preparations starting today — it's day one of their one—off four day test against ireland at lords which gets underway at 11. james vince became the leading run—scorer in t20 blast history. he's 88 not out. they lost to surrey by six wickets. bethany england has told us that leaving chelsea injanuary to join tottenham to try and force her way back into the england national side was one of the toughest decisions she's ever had to make. england joined spurs for a british record fee, her 12 goals in the last 12 wsl games of the season saw her named in sarina wiegman's squad for this summer's world cup. novak djokovic says he is aware people would disagree with him writing a political message about kosovo on a french open camera lens but it is an issue he stands for, he says. it's in reference to recent tension in kosovo, which declared independence from serbia in 2008.

good morning. let me tell you what is happening at ten o'clock. we would love to hear from you on this, such an important issue, such a widespread issue affecting so many people. and carers. the actor bruce willis' daughter has written so powefully about her grief about losing her dad to dementia. losing is a word used advisedly here, gradual loss, isn't it? earlier this year the family revealed he'd since been diagnised with frontotemporal dementia or ftd. it affects behaviour, personality and language.

all forms of dementia, you may well absolutely know this. in a personal essay in vogue magazine, tallulah willis has spoken of her fears about the road ahead and that prior to his diagnosis she thought he'd simply lost interest in her. devastating personality changes that shake your whole world. she says, "i keep flipping between the present and the past when i talk about bruce: he is, he was, he is, he was. that's because i have hopes for my father that i'm so reluctant to let go of." so heartbreaking. so many of you in the same situation. please get in touch this morning if your mum or dad has dementia too. how are you coping? what's the hardest part? coming up at 10: losing a parent to dementia.

it is the whatsapp row, diary row, row, notebook what should be released? four o'clock deadline today. covid inquiry, full disclosure? it is lindsayjackson, parents in dover, everton, good morning. —— terence in dover. i will be right with you. 08085 909693. text us on 85058. lindsay, your mother died of covid and i am so sorry, profound condolences to you and what you want to is horrific. this has such a point to it for all of us but for people in your situation, so acute. what are you thinking about the row going on at the moment? it is

thinking about the row going on at the moment?— the moment? it is extremely undignified. _ the moment? it is extremely undignified. it _ the moment? it is extremely undignified. it is _ the moment? it is extremely undignified. it is important i the moment? it is extremely. undignified. it is important for families like mine to know why our loved ones were not protected by the government in the way we think they should have been. it is important for us. but actually, it is more important for the future, nicky, because we are told by the scientists under the pandemic is coming, it is not if it isjust one. we need to learn quickly what we did well, i'm sure there are things we did well, but also what we must stop on. ifjudge hallett believes the information she is asking for is necessary for her to get to understand what went on and make some recommendations, the government have just some recommendations, the government havejust got to some recommendations, the government have just got to hand it over. i find it astonishing. mi have just got to hand it over. i find it astonishing.— have just got to hand it over. i i find it astonishing.- yes, find it astonishing. all of it? yes, whatever she _ find it astonishing. all of it? yes, whatever she is _ find it astonishing. all of it? yes, whatever she is asking _ find it astonishing. all of it? yes, whatever she is asking for. - find it astonishing. all of it? yes, whatever she is asking for. she i find it astonishing. all of it? yes, l whatever she is asking for. she has been entrusted with this role, she

is one of our top judges, been entrusted with this role, she is one of our topjudges, she has a team of lawyers with her, they are all honourable people who will not disclose things that don't need to be disclosed. they will redact what needs to be redacted. but if she is saying she needs to see what was going on in government at that time so she can form a picture of, were they taking things seriously enough? were their eyes taken off the ball by other things? maybe that was reasonable. but maybe it wasn't. maybe they were, you know, what is the phrase? missing in action. she needs to know about that. if she is asking for the information, it should be provided. i can imagine in another situation a judge in a legal case asking for information and being provided. it is criminal, isn't it? she has threatened to take them to court if they don't provide this information. ifind it

astonishing. all you can think is that there is something even more horrible than we can imagine that they are trying to hide. the? horrible than we can imagine that they are trying to hide. they should cut it off at — they are trying to hide. they should cut it off at the _ they are trying to hide. they should cut it off at the past _ they are trying to hide. they should cut it off at the past by _ they are trying to hide. they should cut it off at the past by releasing i cut it off at the past by releasing everything. cut it off at the past by releasing everything-— cut it off at the past by releasing everything-_ 50 - cut it off at the past by releasing everything._ so it - cut it off at the past by releasing everything._ so it is l cut it off at the past by releasing i everything._ so it is not everything. absolutely. so it is not a cover-urn _ everything. absolutely. so it is not a cover-up. michael, _ everything. absolutely. so it is not a cover-up. michael, i— everything. absolutely. so it is not a cover-up. michael, iwill- everything. absolutely. so it is not a cover-up. michael, i will be - everything. absolutely. so it is not a cover-up. michael, i will be right a cover—up. michael, i will be right with you. see what you think about what lindsay is saying. lindsay speaking from this particular perspective. so important to hear from her and others. what about the argument that it is tantamount to having the room bugged? they should be entitled to say stuff and to send things to each other in the heat of the moment in the pressure of that moment, and by that moment i mean the extraordinary period in our country, and it should... what goes on tour, stays on tour. do you get

that at all? i on tour, stays on tour. do you get that at all?— that at all? i do understand completely _ that at all? i do understand completely that _ that at all? i do understand completely that in - that at all? i do understand completely that in the - that at all? i do understand i completely that in the process that at all? i do understand - completely that in the process of decision—making you explore all the avenues, you sit down with your civil servants, you talk with fellow protestations, absolutely. —— fellow politicians. it is not beyond the wit of man for baroness hallett to read something and go, that is the cut and thrust of decision—making. we are not interested in that. i am not interested in the tittle tattle that went on between politicians. the big stuff. that went on between politicians. the big stuff-— the big stuff. yeah. and that is easily sifted — the big stuff. yeah. and that is easily sifted out. _ the big stuff. yeah. and that is easily sifted out. i _ the big stuff. yeah. and that is easily sifted out. i suppose - the big stuff. yeah. and that is i easily sifted out. i suppose people sa , it is easily sifted out. i suppose people say, it is subjective, _ easily sifted out. i suppose people say, it is subjective, baroness... l say, it is subjective, baroness... what do you think, michael? i phoned u . what do you think, michael? i phoned u- because what do you think, michael? i phoned un because i— what do you think, michael? i phoned un because i am _ what do you think, michael? i phoned up because i am concerned, _ what do you think, michael? i phoned up because i am concerned, i - what do you think, michael? i phoned up because i am concerned, i am - what do you think, michael? i phoned up because i am concerned, i am a . up because i am concerned, i am a very— up because i am concerned, i am a very balanced person, does not matter— very balanced person, does not matter who is in power, terrible position— matter who is in power, terrible position to _ matter who is in power, terrible position to have at the best of

times, — position to have at the best of times, and i don't think for one minute — times, and i don't think for one minute that this previous prime minister— minute that this previous prime minister borisjohnson minute that this previous prime minister boris johnson ever was minute that this previous prime minister borisjohnson ever was not concerned _ minister borisjohnson ever was not concerned about people dying. i don't _ concerned about people dying. i don't believe for one minute. in his diary. _ don't believe for one minute. in his diary. he _ don't believe for one minute. in his diary. he has— don't believe for one minute. in his diary, he has done little adds because _ diary, he has done little adds because of little things he has to do because of his responsibility as prime _ do because of his responsibility as prime minister. he has never knocked anybody. _ prime minister. he has never knocked anybody, never knocked any person he has given _ anybody, never knocked any person he has given authority to and he has —— they have _ has given authority to and he has —— they have let — has given authority to and he has —— they have let him down. the present prime _ they have let him down. the present prime minister has let him down. he has not _ prime minister has let him down. he has not knocked one of them. who has -ot has not knocked one of them. who has got enteric— has not knocked one of them. who has got enteric beauty? boris johnson all the _ got enteric beauty? boris johnson all the people who have let him down? — all the people who have let him down? -- — all the people who have let him down? —— who has got integrity? they are going _ down? —— who has got integrity? they are going into— down? —— who has got integrity? they are going into the background and not really— are going into the background and not really giving him a fair hearing _ not really giving him a fair hearing. it is all about what he has done _ hearing. it is all about what he has done wrong. if you were a prime minister— done wrong. if you were a prime minister and you had a secretary

making — minister and you had a secretary making arrangements for you and you walked _ making arrangements for you and you walked into _ making arrangements for you and you walked into a room because it was your birthday, what are you going to do? say. _ your birthday, what are you going to do? say. go— your birthday, what are you going to do? say, go to hell? he is working with people — do? say, go to hell? he is working with people there day and night with -reat with people there day and night with great responsibilities and trying to run a _ great responsibilities and trying to run a country, notjust great responsibilities and trying to run a country, not just a great responsibilities and trying to run a country, notjust a little company, _ run a country, notjust a little company, a country, and these people are not— company, a country, and these people are not giving him a fair hearing. he is_ are not giving him a fair hearing. he is the — are not giving him a fair hearing. he is the one saying, have it all. have everything i have said, have the whatsapp messages. don't redact it. he is the one saying that. mina; it. he is the one saying that. why is the prime _ it. he is the one saying that. why is the prime minister _ it. he is the one saying that. why is the prime minister presently not letting _ is the prime minister presently not letting them have his diary and they are taking _ letting them have his diary and they are taking things out of it which reallym? — are taking things out of it which reall ...? ., ~ are taking things out of it which reall ...? w ., are taking things out of it which reall...? ., really. . . ? take it back to lindsay, arnold, i really. . . ? take it back to lindsay, arnold. i will _ really. . . ? take it back to lindsay, arnold, i will be _ really. . . ? take it back to lindsay, arnold, i will be with _ really. . . ? take it back to lindsay, arnold, i will be with you, - really. . . ? take it back to lindsay, arnold, i will be with you, alison, j arnold, i will be with you, alison, i will be with you. lindsay, come back on some of the points michael

has made, the kind of, they did their best. has made, the kind of, they did their best-— has made, the kind of, they did their best. �* , their best. and if they did, fine. i mean, if their best. and if they did, fine. i mean. if pe0ple _ their best. and if they did, fine. i mean, if people have _ their best. and if they did, fine. i mean, if people have made - their best. and if they did, fine. i - mean, if people have made mistakes during the process, fine. we are human, these things happen. we live and learn. if, however, people took decisions that were politically motivated or motivated by reasoning beyond care for the citizens of this country, then i want to know that and we all need to know that because we need to make sure it doesn't happen again. there have been two reports i know of, i am sure there are many more, one was done by the parliament, a couple of years ago now, and parliament itself said that the pandemic had been badly handled. lockdowns were too late, released too early, so on. that is parliament

saying that. and there was a court case brought by two ladies who lost their parents in care homes and the court found that government had acted illegally and irrationally in allowing... not allowing, in insisting people left hospital and were admitted into care homes where our most vulnerable people lived without being checked for covid. i personally believe that is how my mother caught covid and died because someone was released from hospital with covid, they were not tested, my mum caught it. these are two authoritative reports, i appreciate what the other speaker is saying, but that is their opinion. i am interested in facts and that is what we need to see, the facts. hate interested in facts and that is what we need to see, the facts. we need alison, i we need to see, the facts. we need alison. i will— we need to see, the facts. we need alison, i will bring _ we need to see, the facts. we need alison, i will bring you _ we need to see, the facts. we need alison, i will bring you in, - we need to see, the facts. we need alison, i will bring you in, we - we need to see, the facts. we need alison, i will bring you in, we need|

alison, i will bring you in, we need to see the entire decision—making process and that will entail seeing everything, alison. everything. i pulled in today, i wish they would leave _ pulled in today, i wish they would leave borisjohnson pulled in today, i wish they would leave boris johnson alone. pulled in today, i wish they would leave borisjohnson alone. yes, the pandemic— leave borisjohnson alone. yes, the pandemic was not his fault, people dying _ pandemic was not his fault, people dying was— pandemic was not his fault, people dying was not his fault, best prime minister— dying was not his fault, best prime minister we have ever had in this country— minister we have ever had in this country for— minister we have ever had in this country for a long, long time. decent — country for a long, long time. decent man. i wish he was the prime minister— decent man. i wish he was the prime minister again. you cannot blame... iam— minister again. you cannot blame... i am sick— minister again. you cannot blame... lam sickand— minister again. you cannot blame... i am sick and tired. what he did it his business, he is human, it does not matter~ — his business, he is human, it does not matter. to blame him for this and that— not matter. to blame him for this and that and want his diaries to know— and that and want his diaries to know the — and that and want his diaries to know the secrets, it is totally wrong. — know the secrets, it is totally wrong, nicky. know the secrets, it is totally wrong. nicky-— know the secrets, it is totally wrona, nic . ., ~' ~ wrong, nicky. thank you, alison. arnold? good _ wrong, nicky. thank you, alison. arnold? good morning. - wrong, nicky. thank you, alison. arnold? good morning. full- arnold? good morning. full disclosure? _ arnold? good morning. full disclosure? yes, _ arnold? good morning. full disclosure? yes, most- arnold? good morning. full- disclosure? yes, most important it is disclosed- _ disclosure? yes, most important it is disclosed. the _

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disclosure. _ dishonest,, what has been done, full disclosure, and _ dishonest,, what has been done, full disclosure, and the _ dishonest,, what has been done, full disclosure, and the judge _ dishonest,, what has been done, full disclosure, and the judge has - dishonest,, what has been done, full disclosure, and the judge has aetnal disclosure, and the judge has aetna discretion— disclosure, and the judge has aetna discretion to — disclosure, and the judge has aetna discretion to say, _ disclosure, and the judge has aetna discretion to say, we _ disclosure, and the judge has aetna discretion to say, we need - disclosure, and the judge has aetna discretion to say, we need to - disclosure, and the judge has aetna discretion to say, we need to see i discretion to say, we need to see this. _ discretion to say, we need to see this. we — discretion to say, we need to see this. we don't— discretion to say, we need to see this, we don't need _ discretion to say, we need to see this, we don't need to _ discretion to say, we need to see this, we don't need to see - discretion to say, we need to see this, we don't need to see that l discretion to say, we need to see i this, we don't need to see that —— has enough — this, we don't need to see that —— has enough discussion. _ this, we don't need to see that —— has enough discussion. that - this, we don't need to see that —— has enough discussion. that is- has enough discussion. that is important. _ has enough discussion. that is important, that— has enough discussion. that is important, that is— has enough discussion. that is important, that is not- has enough discussion. that is. important, that is not important. some _ important, that is not important. some people _ important, that is not important. some people are _ important, that is not important. some people are agreeing - important, that is not important. some people are agreeing with i important, that is not important. i some people are agreeing with you important, that is not important. - some people are agreeing with you on text. still, there is a big measure of opinion which says, extols the virtues of borisjohnson. every time we discuss this. some are taken aback by that. for some, no surprise. i lost my wife to covid in january 2021. full disclosure is needed to find who made what decisions when. i don't care about parties, how far mr decisions when. i don't care about parties, howfaercummings decisions when. i don't care about parties, how far mr cummings drive to test his eyesight, nor mr hancock and his affair. we stuck to the rules and got caught out and every day on tv were people telling us what we had to do. those in charge

seemingly doing what they liked was that angry? am i angry? yes. that is kevin in great yarmouth. i that angry? am i angry? yes. that is kevin in great yarmouth.— kevin in great yarmouth. i think a lot of pe0ple _ kevin in great yarmouth. i think a lot of people feel— kevin in great yarmouth. i think a lot of people feel exactly - kevin in great yarmouth. i think a lot of people feel exactly the - kevin in great yarmouth. i think a | lot of people feel exactly the same way. lot of people feel exactly the same way a _ lot of people feel exactly the same way a lot — lot of people feel exactly the same way a lot of— lot of people feel exactly the same way. a lot of people _ lot of people feel exactly the same way. a lot of people have - lot of people feel exactly the same way. a lot of people have made . lot of people feel exactly the same way. a lot of people have made a i way. a lot of people have made a great _ way. a lot of people have made a great deal — way. a lot of people have made a great deal of _ way. a lot of people have made a great deal of money _ way. a lot of people have made a great deal of money on _ way. a lot of people have made a great deal of money on the - way. a lot of people have made a great deal of money on the backl way. a lot of people have made a. great deal of money on the back of covid _ great deal of money on the back of covid it— great deal of money on the back of covid. it needs _ great deal of money on the back of covid. it needs to _ great deal of money on the back of covid. it needs to be _ great deal of money on the back of covid. it needs to be exposed. - great deal of money on the back of covid. it needs to be exposed. it i covid. it needs to be exposed. it really— covid. it needs to be exposed. it really does _ covid. it needs to be exposed. it really does if_ covid. it needs to be exposed. it really does. if rishi _ covid. it needs to be exposed. it really does. if rishi and - covid. it needs to be exposed. it really does. if rishi and his - really does. if rishi and his colleagues _ really does. if rishi and his colleagues in _ really does. if rishi and his colleagues in the _ really does. if rishi and his colleagues in the cabinet i really does. if rishi and his i colleagues in the cabinet have really does. if rishi and his - colleagues in the cabinet have done no wrong. _ colleagues in the cabinet have done no wrong. why— colleagues in the cabinet have done no wrong. why are _ colleagues in the cabinet have done no wrong, why are they... - colleagues in the cabinet have done no wrong, why are they... why- colleagues in the cabinet have done no wrong, why are they. . .— no wrong, why are they... why are they hiding? _ no wrong, why are they. .. why are they hiding? i _ no wrong, why are they... why are they hiding? i have _ no wrong, why are they... why are they hiding? i have breaking - no wrong, why are they... why are they hiding? i have breaking news| they hiding? i have breaking news for you. they hiding? i have breaking news foryou. on they hiding? i have breaking news for you. on the search for madeleine mccann. he will remember the search of a reservoir in portugal last week was ongoing for a few days. —— you will remember. police have said during the search several objects were found, they will now be analysed in the next few days and weeks and whether any of the objects are related to the case of madeleine mccann is not clear but the police go on to say, we think all —— we

thank all officers who participated in the search, the cooperation between the portuguese police, british officers and german federal police was outstanding and very constructive. we will try to get a correspondent on that very shortly. more on that of course on the bbc news website through the day on five live. a number of objects found and the police say in the reservoir... whether any of the objects are related to the case of madeleine mccann is not yet clear. breaking news. back to our discussion for now, jeffrey in glasgow, helen, geoffrey. now, jeffrey in glasgow, helen, geoffre . ., now, jeffrey in glasgow, helen, geoffrey.- what _ now, jeffrey in glasgow, helen, geoffrey.- what do - now, jeffrey in glasgow, helen, geoffrey.- what do you i now, jeffrey in glasgow, helen, i geoffrey.- what do you make now, jeffrey in glasgow, helen, geoffrey. hello. what do you make of it? whatsapp — geoffrey. hello. what do you make of it? whatsapp business. _ geoffrey. hello. what do you make of it? whatsapp business. i _ geoffrey. hello. what do you make of it? whatsapp business. i would - geoffrey. hello. what do you make of it? whatsapp business. i would like i it? whatsapp business. i would like to think anything — it? whatsapp business. i would like to think anything i _ it? whatsapp business. i would like to think anything i say _ it? whatsapp business. i would like to think anything i say to _ it? whatsapp business. i would like to think anything i say to people - it? whatsapp business. i would like to think anything i say to people on | to think anything i say to people on whatsapp is private. when it comes

down to this, if we do have another outbreak, we should know what to do properly. if boris is going to be helpful in giving all of his diaries and notebooks, it is only going to help and i am sorry people have died out of this because covid had come pretty quick, so nobody knew how to react. i am sure the baroness will look at, if they allow her to look at the stuff, she will take at what she needs to take and hopefully we get to a full inquiry and hopefully learn from the mistakes and do better the next time it happens. exactly what lindsay jackson, exactly what you are saying, lindsay, notjust about exactly what you are saying, lindsay, not just about this one, exactly what you are saying, lindsay, notjust about this one, it is about the next one as well. let

me ask you this, how much... there have been lots of wrangles and rows about when this inquiry should happen, what form it should take up and running very soon, how confident are you that we will get the full picture, lindsay? i are you that we will get the full picture, lindsay?— are you that we will get the full picture, lindsay? i don't know the answer to that _ picture, lindsay? i don't know the answer to that question. - picture, lindsay? i don't know the answer to that question. i - picture, lindsay? i don't know the answer to that question. i wish i l answer to that question. i wish i did. i hope we get enough of an accurate picture to enable us to learn. i hope that we get an open and honest inquiry and that the powers that be, the people in the nhs, the politicians, they collaborate with it so it can generate trust among the public, that this has been done properly and fairly. the worst case scenario is that it turns into a wrangling must

not takes years and nobody is any the wiser at the end of it —— wrangling mess. iwanted the wiser at the end of it —— wrangling mess. i wanted to make one point which is last week 400 people died of covid in the country. we are talking about this as though it is something in the dim and distant past. 400 people died in the uk last week with covid on their death certificate. 7 million have died of this worldwide. a quarter of a million in this country. we have got one of the worst death rates in the developing world, in the developed world, although sometimes we do feel like we are in the developing world. you make some very important points. i want to ask the most important thing of all to you right now. this is about individuals, family tragedies, human beings. tell me about your mum. mr; tragedies, human beings. tell me about your mum.— about your mum. my mum was absolutely — about your mum. my mum was absolutely lovely. _ about your mum. my mum was

absolutely lovely. there - about your mum. my mum was absolutely lovely. there is - about your mum. my mum was absolutely lovely. there is a i about your mum. my mum was. absolutely lovely. there is a link actually with what you have got coming up at 10am because she had dementia and she had just gone into residential care, she was unsafe to be at home any more. she had just gone into residential care, been there three months. covid came and caught it and died. i was not with her when she died. they looked down —— the lockdown had just been called. she died a couple of weeks after lockdown. i was not with her, i could not hold her hand, i could not reassure her. i couldn't visit her body in the funeral parlour because it was not allowed. she was sealed in a bag. there were seven of us at herfuneral. sealed in a bag. there were seven of us at her funeral. she was a lovely, lovely popular woman. i would have been 100 people there and there were seven of us. it was horrific. the grieving is constant because not

least things like this where i want to see the inquiry happen and i want to see the inquiry happen and i want to see the inquiry happen and i want to see it successful and i want answers and lessons learned, but every day now and for the last ever since she died, there is a new revelation, a new bit of news that just tips a few more grains of salt into the wound. there is a quarter of a million families in this country who are feeling like i am today. he would not wish it on your worst enemy. ijust today. he would not wish it on your worst enemy. i just want to come back finally on some of the comments some of your other speakers have talked about. we some of your other speakers have talked about.— some of your other speakers have talked about. ~ ., ., ., ,., :: talked about. we have got about 20 seconds. talked about. we have got about 20 seconds- all — talked about. we have got about 20 seconds. all about _ talked about. we have got about 20 seconds. all about boris _ talked about. we have got about 20 seconds. all about boris johnson. itj seconds. all about boris johnson. it is not. seconds. all about boris johnson. it is not- boris — seconds. all about boris johnson. it is not. boris johnson _ seconds. all about boris johnson. it is not. boris johnson is _ seconds. all about boris johnson. it is not. boris johnson is yesterday'sl is not. borisjohnson is yesterday's man, an irrelevance. we want the facts about how our government

managed this crisis not boris johnson. . ~' , ., managed this crisis not boris johnson. ., ,, i. _ managed this crisis not boris johnson. ., ,, ., ,, johnson. thank you, lindsay. thank ou so johnson. thank you, lindsay. thank you so much — johnson. thank you, lindsay. thank you so much for— johnson. thank you, lindsay. thank you so much for coming _ johnson. thank you, lindsay. thank you so much for coming on - johnson. thank you, lindsay. thank you so much for coming on this i you so much for coming on this morning. interesting comments. going to talk about something which matters so much to so many of you for the next hour. please think about getting in touch. i would love to talk to you. such a powerful thing written by bruce willis daughter, she has written about her grief in losing her dad to dementia. earlier this year the family revealed he'd since been diagnised with frontotemporal dementia or ftd it affects behaviour, personality and language. tallulah willis has spoken

of her fears about the road ahead she says "i keep flipping between the present and the past when i talk about bruce: he is, he was, he is, he was. that's because i have hopes for my father that i'm so reluctant to let go of. "so heartbreaking. and so many people in the same situation. please get in touch this morning if your mum or dad has dementia too. how are you coping? what's the hardest part? if you are in that situation, we do not address it nearly enough, what you may be going through and you need to look after yourself as well. that is coming up now. losing a parent to dementia.... and here is the news.

german prosecutors say the authorities investigating the disappearance of madeleine mccann have found some items during a seach of a reservoir in portugal. they say they haven't confirmed whether the objects relate to the 16—year—old case. the deadline is looming for the government to hand over borisjohnson's unedited whatsapp messages, notebooks and diaries to the covid public inquiry. downing street could face a legal battle if it fails to do so by four o'clock this afternoon. the government has so far refused to hand over material it does not consider relevant. labour has suspended the mp geraint davies as it investigates what it says are "serious allegations of completely unnacceptable behaviour" — reported by the politico website. it means he'll sit as an independent in the house of commons. mr davies told politico that he didn't "recognise the allegations". a new heat alert system that people can sign up to will be introduced in england warning people when high temperatures could damage their health.

it will be made up of four colours — with the highest — red — indicating there is a significant risk to life. that is not to forget that there can be happy and positive times as well. you can continue to have a close relationship. there are happy times but there are huge challenges. i am pleased to talk to michael lee, the bbc breakfast presenter, here you are. as reina dates with you. we had tony christie — are. as reina dates with you. we had tony christie on bbc _ are. as reina dates with you. we had tony christie on bbc breakfast - are. as reina dates with you. we had tony christie on bbc breakfast this i tony christie on bbc breakfast this morning. he is a legend. he has

recorded a version of thank you for being a friend, for anyone who has carers and nhs workers in their life. he was diagnosed one year ago and he talked about how difficult it is, and also, as you know, my dad has mixed dementia, alzheimer's and vascular dementia, alzheimer's and vascular dementia, what has been an eye—opener, adapting this into our lives, you can have happy times again. you learn to live alongside it. you feel like you are standing on shifting sand but you can have lovely times, we went out for lunch yesterday, we played frank sinatra in the car and we had to sing along. the connections remain but are saying goodbye to someone very incrementally and that was very hard. . ~' ,, . . incrementally and that was very hard. ., ,, ,, ., , ., hard. frank sinatra still performed when he had _ hard. frank sinatra still performed when he had the _ hard. frank sinatra still performed when he had the beginnings i hard. frank sinatra still performed when he had the beginnings of i when he had the beginnings of dementia. very often, it gets to a

point that it is not them any more. yes, and sometimes they go and come back, that happened in the early stages, he went down a step or three and then he would come back a couple and then he would come back a couple and go down a few more steps. the challenge in the early days is identifying what it is, getting older and forgetful, and we were coming out of lockdown when i noticed something was amiss. trying to extrapolate the difference between someone in their late 70s who has lived alone during a lockdown, and someone has a brain disease, it's very difficult. what disease, it's very difficult. what did ou disease, it's very difficult. what did you notice _ disease, it's very difficult. what did you notice was _ disease, it's very difficult. what did you notice was amiss? i disease, it's very difficult. what did you notice was amiss? he i disease, it's very difficult. what i did you notice was amiss? he was in m bubble did you notice was amiss? he was in my bubble during — did you notice was amiss? he was in my bubble during covid-19, - did you notice was amiss? he was in my bubble during covid-19, and i did you notice was amiss? he was in my bubble during covid-19, and he l my bubble during covid—i9, and he was asking the same questions with no follow—up questions, he would ask how the children wear but would not name them. he would ask how my

sisters wear, and we had to repeat the same things over and over again. and if i asked if he was all right he said yes. a lot of people in the first stages trick themselves into things being normal, he would laugh if you asked him a question about his life, to stave off a few seconds in order to try and compute what the question meant. and it got worse, and he got needy and he called me ten or 20 times a day. and i would say we had had that conversation five minutes ago. and he wasjust saying he needed to clarify details. it is difficult when the person is not willing to accept their situation, you have to get your head around it. ., , ., situation, you have to get your head around it. . , ., , ., around it. there was a brilliant documentary _ around it. there was a brilliant documentary about _ around it. there was a brilliant documentary about glen i around it. there was a brilliant - documentary about glen campbell, cataloguing and detailing his own dementia. he was still performing

because music is something that really matters to people and still works for people and they have an emotional reaction. but there is the period, isn't there? they know someone has dementia, they understand what is happening to them, that is a challenging period in itself. �* them, that is a challenging period in itself. ~ ., in itself. also regarding the practicalities, _ in itself. also regarding the practicalities, what - in itself. also regarding the i practicalities, what happened in itself. also regarding the - practicalities, what happened with us, i spoke to the gp, i had to take over his entire life, his phone contract, his house insurance, i had to make him stop driving, get his driving licence taken away, the medical side of things, talk to his gp about what is happening, and you go to a memory clinic to go through case, and they tell you to go away and they will see you in six months. and you are like, is that it? do we live with this now? and in the six months that followed between his first assessment and his second, he was putting boxed pizzas in the

oven, leaving the house in the middle of the night, you are knocking on doors, we need more support, we need help. and they say until he is tested again in six months there is no official diagnosis. that is frustrating to the point that it's dangerous. i do recommend _ the point that it's dangerous. i do recommend that _ the point that it's dangerous. i do recommend that glen campbell documentary, it is a highly personal film and it is so moving. it is great that you are here. jeremy in norwich and polling in oxford. hello, pauline. thank you so much. the words of tallulah willis are so powerful. i talk about my father, he is, he was, he is, he was. did that chime with you? i is, he was, he is, he was. did that chime with you?— chime with you? i give up my work five ears chime with you? i give up my work five years ago _ chime with you? i give up my work five years ago to — chime with you? i give up my work five years ago to care _ chime with you? i give up my work five years ago to care for— five years ago to care for both parents. they are in my home. i couldn't work. it is a privilege to

look after them. my mother died last yearin look after them. my mother died last year in august, she was 96, i know you can have a good death, but it was a good day. she was surrounded by her family, was a good day. she was surrounded by herfamily, she did not want to go into a residential home. it was a very peaceful end. i have now got my father, 97, he has dementia too. the point i want to make is to make people aware of the allowance for carers, i had to give up myjob, i am on universal credit, and i get the allowance for carers. but it is not a properjob, they take every single penny of your allowance of your universal credit. if i was working part—time, they would allow me to keep a percentage of that, but it is not a wage, carer�*s allowance, they take every penny of you. that

leaves me with £5,800 per year total income which works out at 67 p an hour. i have a carerfor half an hour. i have a carerfor half an hour a day and they are more than me in that half hour than i earn for the other 23.5 hours in the day. when you are looking after someone with dementia as the lady said, there are goodies and baddies, you have good times and bad times, but it wears you down. you want to be the one caring for them and giving them a loving environment but you desperately need respite and you have to pay someone. during the fifth this year is carers week, the heirs an organisation called carers uk who campaign for carers, but last year, the one campaign to get carers

in part—time work looking after people, they won a campaign to grant them one week of unpaid leave a year. unpaid! one week! that is the level at which we are grateful. i do not get any unpaid leave. 67 p an hour. what is the living wage? i am saving the government between 80 and £100,000 a year in residential home costs. �* , , ., , , £100,000 a year in residential home costs. �* , ,, and costs. and this is an illness. and there is no _ costs. and this is an illness. and there is no day _ costs. and this is an illness. and there is no day off, _ costs. and this is an illness. and there is no day off, i'll— costs. and this is an illness. and there is no day off, i'll take - costs. and this is an illness. and there is no day off, i'll take a - there is no day off, i'll take a rest — there is no day off, i'll take a rest on — there is no day off, i'll take a rest on sunday, it is 20 47 because it is so_ rest on sunday, it is 20 47 because it is so unpredictable.— it is so unpredictable. exactly. you can have a — it is so unpredictable. exactly. you can have a rest _ it is so unpredictable. exactly. you can have a rest if _ it is so unpredictable. exactly. you can have a rest if there _ it is so unpredictable. exactly. you can have a rest if there is - it is so unpredictable. exactly. you| can have a rest if there is someone you trust in charge, i was lucky to have someone who came for three days, my sister, she lives a long way away and cannot come very often,

i went to bournemouth and i sat on the beach, feeling like the queen bee. a weight off my shoulders, there was no one else on the beach. it was raining and i sat there watching the waves thinking this is blessed. i came back and felt able to look after my father again. but i cannot afford to do that. as the bbc going to do a campaign for carers week two lief going to do a campaign for carers week tw~ going to do a campaign for carers week tw. . ., going to do a campaign for carers week tw~ . ., ., going to do a campaign for carers week . .., ., i. ~ week two let me commit to you. we will do a discussion _ week two let me commit to you. we will do a discussion on it. _ week two let me commit to you. we will do a discussion on it. on - week two let me commit to you. we will do a discussion on it. on this . will do a discussion on it. on this programme. it is an issue that touches so many people. these are the unsung heroes of our nation. we know the unsung heroes of our nation. - know nurses are on strike, care workers are underpaid, they are

getting the same wage in half an hour as i am getting in 23.5 hours. you have the emotional burden because you love them so much. ibiess because you love them so much. bless them, because you love them so much. bless them. nurses — because you love them so much. bless them, nurses look— because you love them so much. bless them, nurses look after _ because you love them so much. he“ them, nurses look after strangers, i love them to death. this them, nurses look after strangers, i love them to death.— love them to death. this is the erson love them to death. this is the person who — love them to death. this is the person who picked _ love them to death. this is the person who picked you - love them to death. this is the person who picked you up - love them to death. this is the person who picked you up and| love them to death. this is the i person who picked you up and got love them to death. this is the - person who picked you up and got you ready for school. that is who you're looking after. i ready for school. that is who you're looking after-— looking after. i am with my father and he is very _ looking after. i am with my father and he is very proud, _ looking after. i am with my father and he is very proud, he - looking after. i am with my father and he is very proud, he was - looking after. i am with my father and he is very proud, he was in i looking after. i am with my father. and he is very proud, he was in the military and he cannot do things for himself. that is a very difficult situation for someone to admit and ask for help. it is situation for someone to admit and ask for help-— ask for help. it is a privilege that ou have ask for help. it is a privilege that you have called _ ask for help. it is a privilege that you have called us. _ ask for help. it is a privilege that you have called us. i— ask for help. it is a privilege that you have called us. i want- ask for help. it is a privilege that you have called us. i want to - ask for help. it is a privilege that. you have called us. i want to keep you have called us. i want to keep you on the line if you have got time, i'm sure others would like to speak to you. jeremy in norwich, and samantha, the director of policy and public affairs at alzheimer's research. my colleague is here

speaking powerfully about her father. let's get more on the news we broke earlier on. the police are investigating the disappearance of madeleine mccann, saying they recovered several items during the operation last week at the reservoir in portugal. they go on to say whether any of these objects are related to the case of madeleine mccann is not yet clear, our correspondent daniel is with us now. what can you tell us? i correspondent daniel is with us now. what can you tell us?— what can you tell us? i was there last week on _ what can you tell us? i was there last week on the _ what can you tell us? i was there last week on the reservoir - what can you tell us? i was there last week on the reservoir when i what can you tell us? i was there . last week on the reservoir when they were doing the search. it was very clear that they were recovering objects. we could see that, we could see staff being put into evidence bags. when all the german police left in a pick—up truck, this took stuff with them. when we want onto the site where they had been searching on thursday evening, it was quite clear they had done very specific excavations. they had taken little bits of soil away from a

number of sites, a flattened area in the woods, another area to the side of that, and an area under a large tree. it was quite clear that they had removed things. we thought possibly it was only soil samples, but reading between the lines, of what they have said in this brief statement today, they have secured several objects or several items depending on how you translate the german, it looks as if they have got more than only soil samples. i am afraid, although the if statement is on the record, it does not get as massively further forward because they are saying that they would be analysed over the next weeks, we knew that was part of the plan. they are still saying whether any of these objects are related to the madeleine mccann case is not yet clear so that gives you a clue as to what they are like. it is not going

to be very specific things which are clearly related to her. they are going to be small items of cloth, other things like that, they need to check as to whether they have any relevance. clearly, it is the most solid on the record saying we have had from the germans since their search last week saying they have secured some objects. unfortunately, i do not think it gives us any clear idea as to whether they are genuinely making progress as a result of that search last week which was three days, very meticulous searching of this bit of land poking out into the reservoir 13 miles from where she disappeared. thank you very much. we shall see. we are discussing having a parent with dementia. pauline and nina are with dementia. pauline and nina are with us. i want to bring injeremy. he has got in touch from norwich. good morning. pauline made some

brilliant points there. about people in her situation and your situation going through this. what is it like for you? going through this. what is it like foryou? it going through this. what is it like for ou? , going through this. what is it like for ou? , for you? it is a little bit different _ for you? it is a little bit different for— for you? it is a little bit different for me, - for you? it is a little bit different for me, my i for you? it is a little bit - different for me, my mother is for you? it is a little bit _ different for me, my mother is still with us, might situation came out because during covid—i9 i lost my father and we are getting a dementia diagnosis with my mother and she moved into a residential home. a couple of points, the impact, although my mother is in a care environment, it has a huge impact on myself and the family every day. i know it does not go unnoticed, but it can be underestimated in terms of the change in relation you have with the change in relation you have with the parent with dementia, the first thing is you start to lose them. it is role reversal. i am now the parent caring for my mother. and in

the case of my mother, the impact is she has frontotemporal dementia which means we grapple with behaviour changes. on an ongoing basis. . , behaviour changes. on an ongoing basis. ., , ., , behaviour changes. on an ongoing basis. ., , �* . basis. that is the same as bruce willis. yes, _ basis. that is the same as bruce willis. yes, we _ basis. that is the same as bruce willis. yes, we are _ basis. that is the same as bruce willis. yes, we are all _ basis. that is the same as bruce j willis. yes, we are all desperate basis. that is the same as bruce i willis. yes, we are all desperate to send willis. yes, we are all desperate to spend quality _ willis. yes, we are all desperate to spend quality time _ willis. yes, we are all desperate to spend quality time with _ willis. yes, we are all desperate to spend quality time with her, - willis. yes, we are all desperate to spend quality time with her, but i spend quality time with her, but actually, most time we spend with her, we are grappling with her illness and her condition and trying to understand her behaviour which can be seen as a lack of empathy, all sorts of different manifestations. that is very difficult and having an impact on myself, my life, my family. that is what we are dealing with every day. it's not easy. what we are dealing with every day. it's not easy-— it's not easy. one of my dear friends. _ it's not easy. one of my dear friends, his _ it's not easy. one of my dear friends, his mother, - it's not easy. one of my dear friends, his mother, who - it's not easy. one of my dear friends, his mother, who is l it's not easy. one of my dear i friends, his mother, who is very sweet, i have known him since

university, she started to think that her husband was trying to kill her, and that is a drastic change in personality. it is not uncommon, nina, is it?— nina, is it? especially with fro ntotempo ral _ nina, is it? especially with frontotemporal dementia, | nina, is it? especially with - frontotemporal dementia, and nina, is it? especially with _ frontotemporal dementia, and another misunderstanding, it is so broad, there _ misunderstanding, it is so broad, there are — misunderstanding, it is so broad, there are so _ misunderstanding, it is so broad, there are so many different dimensions. my dad to's alzheimer's is a slow_ dimensions. my dad to's alzheimer's is a slow decline and he also has vascular— is a slow decline and he also has vascular dementia, your heart is failing _ vascular dementia, your heart is failing and — vascular dementia, your heart is failing and starving your brain of what _ failing and starving your brain of what it— failing and starving your brain of what it needs, they are the big stotes— what it needs, they are the big states that he goes through. he barely— states that he goes through. he barely becomes recognisable for a day barely becomes recognisable fora day or— barely becomes recognisable fora day or two— barely becomes recognisable for a day or two and then he comes back a little bit _ day or two and then he comes back a little bit. there are some pictures of my— little bit. there are some pictures of my dad — little bit. there are some pictures of my dad in the 1980s. they were great _ of my dad in the 1980s. they were great haircuts. not of my dad in the 1980s. they were great haircuts.— of my dad in the 1980s. they were great haircuts. not when you see top ofthe great haircuts. not when you see top of the box on — great haircuts. not when you see top of the box on a _ great haircuts. not when you see top of the box on a friday _ great haircuts. not when you see top of the box on a friday night, - great haircuts. not when you see top of the box on a friday night, it - great haircuts. not when you see top of the box on a friday night, it was i of the box on a friday night, it was shocking. of the box on a friday night, it was shockina. ~ , .,

shocking. when we show him these ictures, shocking. when we show him these pictures. when _ shocking. when we show him these pictures, when the _ shocking. when we show him these pictures, when the children - shocking. when we show him these pictures, when the children were i pictures, when the children were little. _ pictures, when the children were little. he — pictures, when the children were little, he was very happy, what we have _ little, he was very happy, what we have done — little, he was very happy, what we have done in his residential home, we have _ have done in his residential home, we have put— have done in his residential home, we have put photographs of that era because _ we have put photographs of that era because that is the period he likes to go— because that is the period he likes to go back— because that is the period he likes to go back to and pretend that he is living _ to go back to and pretend that he is living in. _ to go back to and pretend that he is living in. he— to go back to and pretend that he is living in, he has big business meetings, the children are small, what _ meetings, the children are small, what you — meetings, the children are small, what you learn with dementia, the best lesson someone said to me was enter— best lesson someone said to me was enter their— best lesson someone said to me was enter their world. there is no point in saving _ enter their world. there is no point in saving it — enter their world. there is no point in saving it is — enter their world. there is no point in saying it is 2023, i am your daughter— in saying it is 2023, i am your daughter and in saying it is 2023, i am your daughterandl in saying it is 2023, i am your daughterand i am in saying it is 2023, i am your daughter and i am 42 years old, if you want— daughter and i am 42 years old, if you want to — daughter and i am 42 years old, if you want to talk about his little children. — you want to talk about his little children, he has a big meeting in cardiff— children, he has a big meeting in cardiff that doesn't exist, you have to get— cardiff that doesn't exist, you have to get on— cardiff that doesn't exist, you have to get on with it. if cardiff that doesn't exist, you have to get on with it.— to get on with it. if you are listening — to get on with it. if you are listening on _ to get on with it. if you are listening on the _ to get on with it. if you are listening on the radio, - to get on with it. if you are - listening on the radio, gorgeous photographs of nina and her dad. entering their world? we photographs of nina and her dad. entering their world?— photographs of nina and her dad. entering their world? we always try to see things _ entering their world? we always try to see things through _ entering their world? we always try to see things through the _ entering their world? we always try to see things through the eyes - entering their world? we always try to see things through the eyes of i entering their world? we always try l to see things through the eyes of my mother. it does help. there is no guide to dementia and incense that it does affect individual very differently. it makes it very

difficult to navigate. the one thing i would say, though, my circumstances where a bombshell and a shock. the one thing we did not do as a family when my father was alive, there were signs. there were very early signs. behaviour changes, lack of empathy, quite specific things, i would say, for the last 20 years or so and we never talked about it. we buried them, we explain them away, we convince ourselves there was not a problem, and i would urge anyone, thousands of people out there going through that. i would urge them if you see behaviour changes in a loved one, seek advice and encourage them to go and get it explored. it may be nothing. the earlier the diagnosis, the earlier you understand this illness, the better. ~ . ,

you understand this illness, the better. ., , , better. what was the very first thin that better. what was the very first thing that you _ better. what was the very first thing that you noticed? - better. what was the very first thing that you noticed? the i better. what was the very first | thing that you noticed? the lack better. what was the very first i thing that you noticed? the lack of em ath thing that you noticed? the lack of empathy in — thing that you noticed? the lack of empathy in certain _ thing that you noticed? the lack of empathy in certain social - empathy in certain social situations, being unaware of simple things like swinging bags around and bumping into people. a lack of spatial awareness. things like that. very irrational responses, very emotional responses to very simple situations. according. my mother was hoarding things for years. that is another sign. hoarding things for years. that is anothersign. balance hoarding things for years. that is another sign. balance issues. walking difficulties. there were many signs. walking difficulties. there were many signs-— walking difficulties. there were man siuns. ., ., ., , many signs. samantha, i am sure you are listening — many signs. samantha, i am sure you are listening with _ many signs. samantha, i am sure you are listening with rapt _ many signs. samantha, i am sure you are listening with rapt attention. i are listening with rapt attention. brilliant contributions from nina, pauline and jeremy. good morning. so different. it manifests itself in so many different ways. i

different. it manifests itself in so many different ways.— different. it manifests itself in so many different ways. i think that is what a lot of _ many different ways. i think that is what a lot of people _ many different ways. i think that is what a lot of people do _ many different ways. i think that is what a lot of people do not - what a lot of people do not understand. _ what a lot of people do not understand. we _ what a lot of people do not understand. we often i what a lot of people do not understand. we often hearj what a lot of people do not i understand. we often hear the what a lot of people do not - understand. we often hear the term dementia. _ understand. we often hear the term dementia, essentially— understand. we often hear the term dementia, essentially a _ understand. we often hear the term dementia, essentially a condition, l dementia, essentially a condition, but what _ dementia, essentially a condition, but what is — dementia, essentially a condition, but what is so _ dementia, essentially a condition, but what is so important - dementia, essentially a condition, but what is so important about i but what is so important about people — but what is so important about people sharing _ but what is so important about people sharing their— but what is so important about people sharing their stories i but what is so important about people sharing their stories isi people sharing their stories is raising — people sharing their stories is raising awareness— people sharing their stories is raising awareness of- people sharing their stories is raising awareness of the i people sharing their stories is| raising awareness of the many different— raising awareness of the many different kinds— raising awareness of the many different kinds of— raising awareness of the many different kinds of dementia i raising awareness of the many. different kinds of dementia that people — different kinds of dementia that people experience. _ different kinds of dementia that people experience. i— different kinds of dementia that people experience. i think- different kinds of dementia that i people experience. i think people think— people experience. i think people think that — people experience. i think people think that it— people experience. i think people think that it is— people experience. i think people think that it is probably— people experience. i think people think that it is probably a - people experience. i think people think that it is probably a normall think that it is probably a normal part of— think that it is probably a normal part of ageing _ think that it is probably a normal part of ageing but _ think that it is probably a normal part of ageing but it— think that it is probably a normal part of ageing but it is— think that it is probably a normalj part of ageing but it is absolutely not. part of ageing but it is absolutely not the — part of ageing but it is absolutely not. the types _ part of ageing but it is absolutely not. the types of— part of ageing but it is absolutely not. the types of symptoms i part of ageing but it is absolutely not. the types of symptoms and | not. the types of symptoms and experiences _ not. the types of symptoms and experiences that _ not. the types of symptoms and experiences that people - not. the types of symptoms and experiences that people have i not. the types of symptoms and i experiences that people have talked about _ experiences that people have talked about this _ experiences that people have talked about this morning _ experiences that people have talked about this morning just _ experiences that people have talked| about this morning just demonstrate the range _ about this morning just demonstrate the range of— about this morning just demonstrate the range of challenges _ about this morning just demonstrate the range of challenges that - about this morning just demonstrate the range of challenges that these i the range of challenges that these diseases— the range of challenges that these diseases of— the range of challenges that these diseases of the _ the range of challenges that these diseases of the brain _ the range of challenges that these diseases of the brain calls - the range of challenges that these diseases of the brain calls and i diseases of the brain calls and how they get— diseases of the brain calls and how they get in— diseases of the brain calls and how they get in the _ diseases of the brain calls and how they get in the way— diseases of the brain calls and how they get in the way of— diseases of the brain calls and how they get in the way of us _ diseases of the brain calls and how they get in the way of us being i diseases of the brain calls and howl they get in the way of us being able to live _ they get in the way of us being able to live a _ they get in the way of us being able to live a normal _ they get in the way of us being able to live a normal life. _ they get in the way of us being able to live a normal life. alzheimer's i to live a normal life. alzheimer's research — to live a normal life. alzheimer's research uk, _ to live a normal life. alzheimer's research uk, we _ to live a normal life. alzheimer's research uk, we are _ to live a normal life. alzheimer's research uk, we are under- to live a normal life. alzheimer's i research uk, we are under medical research, _ research uk, we are under medical research, £30 _ research uk, we are under medical research, £30 million _ research uk, we are under medical research, £30 million into- research uk, we are under medicall research, £30 million into research, it is a _ research, £30 million into research, it is a misunderstood _ research, £30 million into research, it is a misunderstood condition, i research, £30 million into research, it is a misunderstood condition, it. it is a misunderstood condition, it has been — it is a misunderstood condition, it has been called _ it is a misunderstood condition, it has been called several— it is a misunderstood condition, it has been called several names. it is a misunderstood condition, it has been called several names of| it is a misunderstood condition, it. has been called several names of the different— has been called several names of the different years. — has been called several names of the different years, and _ has been called several names of the different years, and it _ has been called several names of the different years, and it presents- different years, and it presents differently _ different years, and it presents differently. in _ different years, and it presents differently. in the _ different years, and it presents

differently. in the case - different years, and it presents differently. in the case of- different years, and it presents| differently. in the case of bruce willis. — differently. in the case of bruce willis. he — differently. in the case of bruce willis, he was _ differently. in the case of bruce willis, he was originally - differently. in the case of bruce i willis, he was originally diagnosed with aphasia _ willis, he was originally diagnosed with aphasia. which _ willis, he was originally diagnosed with aphasia. which is _ willis, he was originally diagnosed with aphasia. which is problems. willis, he was originally diagnosed i with aphasia. which is problems with speech— with aphasia. which is problems with speech and _ with aphasia. which is problems with speech and language, _ with aphasia. which is problems with speech and language, but _ with aphasia. which is problems with speech and language, but as - with aphasia. which is problems with speech and language, but as it - with aphasia. which is problems with speech and language, but as it has i speech and language, but as it has progressed, — speech and language, but as it has progressed, he _ speech and language, but as it has progressed, he now— speech and language, but as it has progressed, he now has— speech and language, but as it has progressed, he now has a - speech and language, but as it hasi progressed, he now has a diagnosis of dementia — progressed, he now has a diagnosis of dementia which _ progressed, he now has a diagnosis of dementia which affects _ progressed, he now has a diagnosis of dementia which affects your i of dementia which affects your behaviour. _ of dementia which affects your behaviour, as _ of dementia which affects your behaviour, asjeremy- of dementia which affects your behaviour, asjeremy has- of dementia which affects your - behaviour, asjeremy has discussed. raising _ behaviour, asjeremy has discussed. raising awareness _ behaviour, asjeremy has discussed. raising awareness and _ behaviour, asjeremy has discussed. raising awareness and having - behaviour, asjeremy has discussed. | raising awareness and having people able to— raising awareness and having people able to talk— raising awareness and having people able to talk about _ raising awareness and having people able to talk about is _ raising awareness and having people able to talk about is very— able to talk about is very challenging _ able to talk about is very challenging expenses i able to talk about is very. challenging expenses they able to talk about is very- challenging expenses they face is hugely— challenging expenses they face is hugely important _ challenging expenses they face is hugely important because - challenging expenses they face is hugely important because we i challenging expenses they face is| hugely important because we have done some — hugely important because we have done some research— hugely important because we have done some research recently- hugely important because we have done some research recently thati hugely important because we have i done some research recently that has found _ done some research recently that has found that _ done some research recently that has found that now. — done some research recently that has found that now, one _ done some research recently that has found that now, one in _ done some research recently that has found that now, one in two _ done some research recently that has found that now, one in two people i found that now, one in two people will experience _ found that now, one in two people will experience dementia - found that now, one in two people will experience dementia in - found that now, one in two people will experience dementia in their. will experience dementia in their lives _ will experience dementia in their lives either — will experience dementia in their lives either receiving _ will experience dementia in their lives either receiving a _ will experience dementia in their lives either receiving a diagnosis| lives either receiving a diagnosis themselves— lives either receiving a diagnosis themselves are _ lives either receiving a diagnosis themselves are caring _ lives either receiving a diagnosis themselves are caring for- lives either receiving a diagnosis themselves are caring for a i lives either receiving a diagnosisi themselves are caring for a loved one. _ themselves are caring for a loved one. unfortunately, _ themselves are caring for a loved one. unfortunately, or— themselves are caring for a loved one. unfortunately, or both. i themselves are caring for a loved one. unfortunately, or both. at. themselves are caring for a loved i one. unfortunately, or both. at some point _ one. unfortunately, or both. at some point in _ one. unfortunately, or both. at some point in our— one. unfortunately, or both. at some point in our lifetime, _ one. unfortunately, or both. at some point in our lifetime, dementia - one. unfortunately, or both. at some point in our lifetime, dementia has i point in our lifetime, dementia has now become — point in our lifetime, dementia has now become so— point in our lifetime, dementia has now become so common _ point in our lifetime, dementia has now become so common that i point in our lifetime, dementia has now become so common that it i point in our lifetime, dementia has| now become so common that it will affect— now become so common that it will affect each— now become so common that it will affect each and _ now become so common that it will affect each and every— now become so common that it will affect each and every one _ now become so common that it will affect each and every one of - now become so common that it will affect each and every one of us. i now become so common that it willj affect each and every one of us. we are all affect each and every one of us. are all touched by it in one way or another. jenny has come up with a call. i want to go to her because

this is quite something. good morning, jenny. are you there? hello. i morning, jenny. are you there? hello. .. . morning, jenny. are you there? hello. ., ., ~ morning, jenny. are you there? hello. . ., hello. i can hear you. thank you. this matter _ hello. i can hear you. thank you. this matter so _ hello. i can hear you. thank you. this matter so much _ hello. i can hear you. thank you. this matter so much to _ hello. i can hear you. thank you. this matter so much to people. l hello. i can hear you. thank you. | this matter so much to people. so many calls. jenny, tell us what happened yesterday.— many calls. jenny, tell us what happened yesterday. deep breath. my husband has alzheimer's _ happened yesterday. deep breath. my husband has alzheimer's and - happened yesterday. deep breath. my husband has alzheimer's and he i happened yesterday. deep breath. my husband has alzheimer's and he is - happened yesterday. deep breath. my husband has alzheimer's and he is in i husband has alzheimer's and he is in a residential— husband has alzheimer's and he is in a residential home now. he wasn't obviously— a residential home now. he wasn't obviously for a long time but he is now _ obviously for a long time but he is now. yesterday, my daughter got married — now. yesterday, my daughter got married. and she and her husband both have — married. and she and her husband both have pearly dads, they arrange for a very— both have pearly dads, they arrange for a very small family wedding, i fora very small family wedding, i

think_ for a very small family wedding, i think they— for a very small family wedding, i think they want to do small wedding anyway _ think they want to do small wedding anyway. but they arranged for to be halfway _ anyway. but they arranged for to be halfway between his dad and her dad and it_ halfway between his dad and her dad and it was_ halfway between his dad and her dad and it was only four close family. and that — and it was only four close family. and that made it possible forjohn to give _ and that made it possible forjohn to give her— and that made it possible forjohn to give her away. it's extremely moving — to give her away. it's extremely moving it — to give her away. it's extremely moving. it was lovely. lots of photos — moving. it was lovely. lots of photos that we can show him. he has forgotten _ photos that we can show him. he has forgotten already that he gave her away. _ forgotten already that he gave her away. to _ forgotten already that he gave her away, to be honest. we've got the photographs. he away, to be honest. we've got the photographs-_ away, to be honest. we've got the -hotoara-hs. . , ., photographs. he was in the moment, riuht? he photographs. he was in the moment, right? he was — photographs. he was in the moment, right? he was there, _ photographs. he was in the moment, right? he was there, he _ photographs. he was in the moment, right? he was there, he was in - photographs. he was in the moment, right? he was there, he was in the i right? he was there, he was in the moment, he was living... taste right? he was there, he was in the moment, he was living. . .- right? he was there, he was in the moment, he was living... we live in the moment — moment, he was living... we live in the moment all— moment, he was living... we live in the moment all the _ moment, he was living... we live in the moment all the time _ moment, he was living... we live in the moment all the time really. - moment, he was living... we live in the moment all the time really. i i moment, he was living... we live in l the moment all the time really. i go every— the moment all the time really. i go every day— the moment all the time really. i go every day to— the moment all the time really. i go every day to see him and because he is still— every day to see him and because he is still able _ every day to see him and because he

is still able and mobile, we got out, _ is still able and mobile, we got out, we — is still able and mobile, we got out, we don't come home because it would _ out, we don't come home because it would break— out, we don't come home because it would break us both, so we go out, friends _ would break us both, so we go out, friends say— would break us both, so we go out, friends say can we come and see you and we _ friends say can we come and see you and we go _ friends say can we come and see you and we go to— friends say can we come and see you and we go to them instead. we go out, we _ and we go to them instead. we go out, we walk, stagger a bit because i out, we walk, stagger a bit because i have _ out, we walk, stagger a bit because i have had _ out, we walk, stagger a bit because i have had a — out, we walk, stagger a bit because i have had a hip done, but we are still doing — i have had a hip done, but we are still doing things, we go singing at the local— still doing things, we go singing at the local church on a wednesday, it is fabulous — the local church on a wednesday, it is fabulous. i know dementia is so difficult, _ is fabulous. i know dementia is so difficult, i— is fabulous. i know dementia is so difficult, i have been through some incredibly— difficult, i have been through some incredibly challenging times with john which i will not go into, and he has _ john which i will not go into, and he has had — john which i will not go into, and he has had some incredibly challenging times, being in hospital with covid—19, incredibly difficult, but they— with covid—19, incredibly difficult, but they were so many wonderful people _ but they were so many wonderful people around who have helped us, supported _ people around who have helped us, supported us, just been kind. yesterday, the care team, the night staff and _ yesterday, the care team, the night staff and the day staff went to so nruch _

staff and the day staff went to so much trouble to get him looking fantastic. — much trouble to get him looking fantastic, he was shaved and raiding~ _ fantastic, he was shaved and raiding~ it _ fantastic, he was shaved and raiding. it was wonderful. in terms of care _ raiding. it was wonderful. in terms of care workers, they should be paid so nruch _ of care workers, they should be paid so much more than they are. you have not to so much more than they are. you have got to keep — so much more than they are. you have got to keep trying _ so much more than they are. you have got to keep trying with _ so much more than they are. you have got to keep trying with the _ so much more than they are. you have got to keep trying with the big - got to keep trying with the big occasion, even if you get a smack in the face when you take them out for lunch, you have a terrible experience, you have got to get them out and about and meeting people and having those experiences. those interpersonal experiences. yes. having those experiences. those interpersonal experiences. yes, and he is still part— interpersonal experiences. yes, and he is still part of— interpersonal experiences. yes, and he is still part of life. _ interpersonal experiences. yes, and he is still part of life. and _ interpersonal experiences. yes, and he is still part of life. and part - he is still part of life. and part of other— he is still part of life. and part of other people's lives as well. what _ of other people's lives as well. what was _ of other people's lives as well. what was it like for your daughter? sign mark he means the world to her. she was very thrilled that he would .ive she was very thrilled that he would give her— she was very thrilled that he would give her away. i she was very thrilled that he would give heraway. ithink she was very thrilled that he would give her away. i think she took him down _ give her away. i think she took him down the _ give her away. i think she took him down the aisle. it was a civil

service, _ down the aisle. it was a civil service, it _ down the aisle. it was a civil service, it was a mini aisle, yes, i think— service, it was a mini aisle, yes, i think she — service, it was a mini aisle, yes, i think she helped him down the aisle. how did _ think she helped him down the aisle. how did he _ think she helped him down the aisle. how did he react to it all? sign mark he was fine. he how did he react to it all? sign mark he was fine.— how did he react to it all? sign mark he was fine. he was fined but there were — mark he was fine. he was fined but there were tears, _ mark he was fine. he was fined but there were tears, when _ mark he was fine. he was fined but there were tears, when he - mark he was fine. he was fined but there were tears, when he gave - mark he was fine. he was fined but | there were tears, when he gave her away. _ there were tears, when he gave her away, there — there were tears, when he gave her away, there were tears. it had obviously _ away, there were tears. it had obviously affected... he had realised _ obviously affected... he had realised what was going on at that point _ realised what was going on at that point and — realised what was going on at that point. and he loved the whole day with the _ point. and he loved the whole day with the family. he was tired out when _ with the family. he was tired out when he — with the family. he was tired out when he got back to the residential honre _ when he got back to the residential honre i_ when he got back to the residential home. i helped him to bed. he had a lovely— home. i helped him to bed. he had a lovely day— home. i helped him to bed. he had a lovely day with his grandchildren. her son _ lovely day with his grandchildren. her son was wonderful. he took us down _ her son was wonderful. he took us down we — her son was wonderful. he took us down. we didn't have to drive or anything — down. we didn't have to drive or anything. just a lovely day. for the

couple _ anything. just a lovely day. for the couple and — anything. just a lovely day. for the couple and for the family. all of us there _ couple and for the family. all of us there together. fantastic. pass couple and for the family. all of us there together. fantastic.- there together. fantastic. pass on my heartfelt _ there together. fantastic. pass on my heartfelt congratulations - there together. fantastic. pass on my heartfelt congratulations to i there together. fantastic. pass on i my heartfelt congratulations to your daughter as well.— daughter as well. thank you. when joan rot daughter as well. thank you. when joan got dementia, _ daughter as well. thank you. when joan got dementia, the _ daughter as well. thank you. when joan got dementia, the first - daughter as well. thank you. when joan got dementia, the first thing l daughter as well. thank you. when joan got dementia, the first thing i | joan got dementia, the first thing i noticed, _ joan got dementia, the first thing i noticed, well, there were two issues, — noticed, well, there were two issues, hearing loss, and not wearing — issues, hearing loss, and not wearing his hearing aid, or wearing one, _ wearing his hearing aid, or wearing one. no, _ wearing his hearing aid, or wearing one, no, wearthem both fault. everyone — one, no, wearthem both fault. everyone remembers that. if you are losing _ everyone remembers that. if you are losing your— everyone remembers that. if you are losing your hearing, you need to get it sorted, _ losing your hearing, you need to get it sorted, because you start losing communication with people, you start being _ communication with people, you start being isolated. i do believe there is a link— being isolated. i do believe there is a link between hearing loss and the development of dementia. so that is something to think about. and probably. — is something to think about. and probably, i've forgotten the next thing _ probably, i've forgotten the next thing i_ probably, i've forgotten the next thing i was going to say. he liked

walking, — thing i was going to say. he liked walking, he was a climber, an outdoor— walking, he was a climber, an outdoor man. that was his life. the first thing _ outdoor man. that was his life. the first thing i— outdoor man. that was his life. the first thing i noticed was losing his sense _ first thing i noticed was losing his sense of— first thing i noticed was losing his sense of location. he would be out somewhere and he didn't remember where _ somewhere and he didn't remember where he _ somewhere and he didn't remember where he had parked the car. this was a _ where he had parked the car. this was a nran— where he had parked the car. this was a man who walked in the mountains. he walked everywhere. suddenly. — mountains. he walked everywhere. suddenly, maybe, as a family, you .et suddenly, maybe, as a family, you get a _ suddenly, maybe, as a family, you get a signal— suddenly, maybe, as a family, you get a signal that triggers you to think— get a signal that triggers you to think what is going on here? for me, it was— think what is going on here? for me, it was the _ think what is going on here? for me, it was the car— think what is going on here? for me, it was the car park, being in a car park— it was the car park, being in a car park or— it was the car park, being in a car park or in— it was the car park, being in a car park or ina— it was the car park, being in a car park or in a town, and he didn't know— park or in a town, and he didn't know how— park or in a town, and he didn't know how to get back to the car park _ know how to get back to the car park. that's us really. and we carry on with _ park. that's us really. and we carry on with life — park. that's us really. and we carry on with life i— park. that's us really. and we carry on with life. i am rattling on. being — on with life. i am rattling on. being a — on with life. i am rattling on. being a widow, i am not a widow, but i am being a widow, i am not a widow, but i am living _ being a widow, i am not a widow, but i am living on— being a widow, i am not a widow, but i am living on my own but i still have _ i am living on my own but i still have a —

i am living on my own but i still have a husband who i love dearly. it has a _ have a husband who i love dearly. it has a very— have a husband who i love dearly. it has a very strange way to live. you are on— has a very strange way to live. you are on your— has a very strange way to live. you are on your own, but you are not. it is very— are on your own, but you are not. it is very difficult. i understand how difficult _ is very difficult. i understand how difficult it — is very difficult. i understand how difficult it is for children as well — difficult it is for children as well. and grandchildren. they all have _ well. and grandchildren. they all have to _ well. and grandchildren. they all have to take it on and it is very hard _ have to take it on and it is very hard. ~ ., have to take it on and it is very hard. ~ . , ., have to take it on and it is very hard. ~ . ,, . have to take it on and it is very hard. . . y., . ., have to take it on and it is very hard. ~ ., ., ., ., have to take it on and it is very hard. . . y., . ., . ,., hard. what you are doing and your daurhter hard. what you are doing and your daughter and _ hard. what you are doing and your daughter and your _ hard. what you are doing and your daughter and your son _ hard. what you are doing and your daughter and your son in - hard. what you are doing and your daughter and your son in law - hard. what you are doing and your daughter and your son in law is . hard. what you are doing and your daughter and your son in law is so | daughter and your son in law is so important. what we are trying to do is make sure the people who live with dementia are out there in society and integrated. we all need to get use to theirs. every time someone shows a bit of kindness our patients when they are not making sense, it makes your world easier because you have the confidence to go out again for lunch, to go out to the park. these people should not be hidden away. there is nothing to be ashamed of. these are important people with lots to teach us.

yes, ido yes, i do get that sense when i am out that— yes, i do get that sense when i am out that the — yes, i do get that sense when i am out that the world has to see, people — out that the world has to see, people get pushed away, the world has to— people get pushed away, the world has to see — people get pushed away, the world has to see. can people get pushed away, the world has to see. ., people get pushed away, the world has to see. . . ., people get pushed away, the world has to see-_ ls - people get pushed away, the world has to see._ is that has to see. can i comment? is that pauline? l — has to see. can i comment? is that pauline? i did _ has to see. can i comment? is that pauline? i did promise _ has to see. can i comment? is that pauline? i did promise to _ has to see. can i comment? is that pauline? i did promise to come - has to see. can i comment? is that. pauline? i did promise to come back to you. pauline? i did promise to come back to ou. , ., , pauline? i did promise to come back to ou. ,., , ., , to you. the story about the first sin to you. the story about the first sign about _ to you. the story about the first sign about losing _ to you. the story about the first sign about losing the _ to you. the story about the first sign about losing the car, - to you. the story about the first l sign about losing the car, brought back to _ sign about losing the car, brought back to nry— sign about losing the car, brought back to my mind _ sign about losing the car, brought back to my mind something - sign about losing the car, brought- back to my mind something someone said to _ back to my mind something someone said to me _ back to my mind something someone said to me which— back to my mind something someone said to me which i— back to my mind something someone said to me which i have _ back to my mind something someone said to me which i have never- said to me which i have never forgotten _ said to me which i have never forgotten. dementia - said to me which i have never forgotten. dementia is - said to me which i have never| forgotten. dementia is finding said to me which i have never- forgotten. dementia is finding your keys in— forgotten. dementia is finding your keys in the — forgotten. dementia is finding your keys in the microwave _ forgotten. dementia is finding your keys in the microwave after - forgotten. dementia is finding your keys in the microwave after losingl keys in the microwave after losing them _ keys in the microwave after losing them it _ keys in the microwave after losing them it is— keys in the microwave after losing them it is not— keys in the microwave after losing them. it is notjust... _ keys in the microwave after losing them. it is notjust... my- keys in the microwave after losing them. it is notjust... my mum i keys in the microwave after losingi them. it is notjust... my mum and my dad _ them. it is notjust... my mum and my dad had — them. it is notjust... my mum and my dad had completely _ them. it is notjust... my mum and my dad had completely different i my dad had completely different symptoms _ my dad had completely different symptoms. my— my dad had completely different symptoms. my mum _ my dad had completely different symptoms. my mum was- my dad had completely different symptoms. my mum was very i my dad had completely different - symptoms. my mum was very forgetful and we _ symptoms. my mum was very forgetful and we ioked _ symptoms. my mum was very forgetful and we joked about _ symptoms. my mum was very forgetful and we joked about it. _ symptoms. my mum was very forgetful and we joked about it. have _ symptoms. my mum was very forgetful and we joked about it. have you - symptoms. my mum was very forgetful and we joked about it. have you had i and we joked about it. have you had your breakfast? _ and we joked about it. have you had your breakfast? are _ and we joked about it. have you had your breakfast? are you _ and we joked about it. have you had your breakfast? are you hungry? i and we joked about it. have you had . your breakfast? are you hungry? have it again _ your breakfast? are you hungry? have it again my—

your breakfast? are you hungry? have it again my father, _ your breakfast? are you hungry? have it again. my father, his _ your breakfast? are you hungry? have it again. my father, his memory - your breakfast? are you hungry? have it again. my father, his memory is i it again. my father, his memory is fine, _ it again. my father, his memory is fine, his— it again. my father, his memory is fine, his reasoning _ it again. my father, his memory is fine, his reasoning has _ it again. my father, his memory is fine, his reasoning has gone - it again. my father, his memory is fine, his reasoning has gone and i it again. my father, his memory is. fine, his reasoning has gone and he is a very— fine, his reasoning has gone and he is a very intelligent _ fine, his reasoning has gone and he is a very intelligent man. _ fine, his reasoning has gone and he is a very intelligent man. he - fine, his reasoning has gone and he is a very intelligent man. he said i is a very intelligent man. he said things— is a very intelligent man. he said things like. — is a very intelligent man. he said things like, what— is a very intelligent man. he said things like, what do— is a very intelligent man. he said things like, what do you - is a very intelligent man. he said things like, what do you want i is a very intelligent man. he said things like, what do you want forj things like, what do you want for your— things like, what do you want for your dinner. _ things like, what do you want for your dinner, scop— things like, what do you want for your dinner, soop or— things like, what do you want for your dinner, soop or fish - things like, what do you want for your dinner, soop or fish pie? i things like, what do you want for l your dinner, soop or fish pie? yes because _ your dinner, soop or fish pie? yes because it — your dinner, soop or fish pie? yes because it might— your dinner, soop or fish pie? yes because it might rain— your dinner, soop or fish pie? yes because it might rain later. - your dinner, soop or fish pie? yes because it might rain later. what. your dinner, soop or fish pie? yes. because it might rain later. what am i because it might rain later. what am i going _ because it might rain later. what am i going to _ because it might rain later. what am i going to say— because it might rain later. what am i going to say to— because it might rain later. what am i going to say to that? _ because it might rain later. what am i going to say to that? it _ because it might rain later. what am i going to say to that? it might. i i going to say to that? it might. fish pie — i going to say to that? it might. fish pie~ that _ i going to say to that? it might. fish pie. that is _ i going to say to that? it might. fish pie. that is really- i going to say to that? it might. fish pie. that is really difficult i fish pie. that is really difficult to deal— fish pie. that is really difficult to deal with _ fish pie. that is really difficult to deal with. his— fish pie. that is really difficult to deal with. his memory- fish pie. that is really difficult to deal with. his memory is i fish pie. that is really difficult i to deal with. his memory is fine. fish pie. that is really difficult - to deal with. his memory is fine. as other— to deal with. his memory is fine. as other callers — to deal with. his memory is fine. as other callers have _ to deal with. his memory is fine. as other callers have said, _ to deal with. his memory is fine. as other callers have said, many- other callers have said, many different _ other callers have said, many different diseases _ other callers have said, many different diseases here - other callers have said, many different diseases here and i other callers have said, many. different diseases here and they other callers have said, many- different diseases here and they all manifest— different diseases here and they all manifest themselves _ different diseases here and they all manifest themselves in _ different diseases here and they all manifest themselves in very- manifest themselves in very different— manifest themselves in very different ways. _ manifest themselves in very different ways.— manifest themselves in very different ways. manifest themselves in very differentwa s. . ., . different ways. so, so much of a challenae different ways. so, so much of a challenge for — different ways. so, so much of a challenge for you _ different ways. so, so much of a challenge for you and _ different ways. so, so much of a challenge for you and for - different ways. so, so much of a| challenge for you and for pauline and jenny and other people to navigate this. thank you. jenny, likewise. two amazing contributions. likewise from jeremy as well. and nina. i will long likewise from jeremy as well. and nina. iwill long rememberyour call, what a thing that happened. thank you so much. more on this to

come in the next half an hour with apologies for being slightly late running. i have some breaking news. update for you just before we go to the news on the incident in the sea in bournemouth in which a 12—year—old girl and a 17—year—old boy died. police have this morning said early investigation indicates that there was no physical contact between a vessel and any swimmers at the time of the incident. they go on to say, "we are investigating the circumstances that caused a number of swimmers to get into difficulty. further information will be released as the investigation progresses. more on this on the bbc news website and app throughout the day, and on 5 live. it is 10:35am. and here is the news.

thanks, nicky. german prosecutors say the authorities investigating the disappearance of madeleine mccann have recovered several items during a seach of a reservoir in portugal. it's not been confirmed whether the objects are related to the case. downing street could face legal action if it doesn't hand over documents — including borisjohnson's whatsapp messages, notebooks and diaries — to the covid public inquiry by four today. so far it's held back information it says it doesn't consider releva nt. labour mp geraint davies has been suspended from the party after claims of completely unacceptable behaviour, reported by the website politico. labour says the allegations are incredibly serious. the mp for swansea west told politico he did not recognise the allegations. a rare plant — normally found only in the swamps of south—west florida and in cuba — is beginning to flower in the uk for the first time.

there are fewer than 2,000 florida ghost orchids in existence but one has gone on display at kew gardens in london. those were the new headlines, now the sport. england's cricketers are half—an—hour away from starting their ashes summer as they take on ireland on day one of their one—off four—day test at lords. you can listen to test match special over on 5 sports extra right now. there was history made in the t20 blast last night as james vince became the competition's leading run scorer. he's now on 5,054 after his 88 not out in hampshire's defeat to surrey. emma raducanu has parted ways with her coach sebastian sachs. she's now looking for a sixth coach in two and a half years. sachs had been working with raducanu since december last year. she's posted on social media, saying it's unfortunate that circumstances made it unfeasible for both of us to continue right now. brentford have appointed former leicester city women's manager lydia bedford as head coach of their under—18s side. it is thought bedford will become the first woman to hold a coaching position at a premier league club.

we are talking about dementia. having a parent with dementia. tallulah willis, the daughter of bruce willis, has spoken so powerfully about what her dad is going through and what she is going through as well. the amazing jenny who called us just before the news and said yesterday her husband who has dementia, john, walked their

daughter down the aisle. she was saying the hearing aspect, his hearing started to go and she was thinking about the signs. that is what tallulah willis said about her dad as well. his hearing went first of all. listen, texts, loads and loads of them, thank you for getting in touch. i will do one just now. sat with tears streaming listening to you regarding dementia. my wonderful mum has mixed dementia and alzheimer's, the caller is right, you have to live in the moment. grandson got married at new year, she couldn't remember that the day after. i have of photos, she loves looking through them, especially ones of my late dad, heartbreaking caring for her, but she is happy, and that is all that matters. thank you for the programme. thank you for the texts and the calls.

graham in chelmsford, hello. how are you this morning? i am graham in chelmsford, hello. how are you this morning?— you this morning? i am fine. interesting _ you this morning? i am fine. interesting listening - you this morning? i am fine. interesting listening to i you this morning? i am fine. interesting listening to the i interesting listening to the programme because i have got dementia. iam programme because i have got dementia. i am 66. programme because i have got dementia. iam 66. i programme because i have got dementia. i am 66. i was diagnosed a year ago _ dementia. i am 66. i was diagnosed a year ago i_ dementia. i am 66. i was diagnosed a yearago iam— dementia. i am 66. i was diagnosed a year ago. i am classed as young outsiders — year ago. i am classed as young outsiders i_ year ago. i am classed as young outsiders. i find life very difficult, very depressing —— young outsiders i— difficult, very depressing —— young outsiders. i forget words i had an mri scan — outsiders. i forget words i had an mri scan and i found that the right side of— mri scan and i found that the right side of my— mri scan and i found that the right side of my brain has shrunk a bit. i find it— side of my brain has shrunk a bit. i find it frustrating. every day words~ _ find it frustrating. every day words. , ., ., , ., find it frustrating. every day words. , ., ., words. yes, what about your family? the family is — words. yes, what about your family? the family is fine _ words. yes, what about your family? the family is fine at _ words. yes, what about your family? the family is fine at the _ words. yes, what about your family? the family is fine at the moment. i i the family is fine at the moment. i am not _ the family is fine at the moment. i am not a _ the family is fine at the moment. i am not a lot— the family is fine at the moment. i am not a lot worse than people i meet _ am not a lot worse than people i meet up — am not a lot worse than people i meet up with, so i am fairly 0k, am not a lot worse than people i meet up with, so i am fairly ok, but

iam— meet up with, so i am fairly ok, but lam sure— meet up with, so i am fairly ok, but lam sure i_ meet up with, so i am fairly ok, but lam sure i am— meet up with, so i am fairly ok, but i am sure i am obviously going to go downhill— i am sure i am obviously going to go downhill in _ i am sure i am obviously going to go downhill in the next few years. my wife looks — downhill in the next few years. my wife looks after me, my grandchildren don't know i've got it. probably don't understand what dementia — it. probably don't understand what dementia means. i get on with them all 0k~ _ dementia means. i get on with them all 0k the _ dementia means. i get on with them all 0k. the only thing is i am finding — all 0k. the only thing is i am finding now, when i am in a group of people. _ finding now, when i am in a group of people. i_ finding now, when i am in a group of people, ivery finding now, when i am in a group of people, i very rarely talk because if i people, i very rarely talk because if i am _ people, i very rarely talk because if i am talking to you, i forget words. — if i am talking to you, i forget words. i— if i am talking to you, i forget words, i find if i am talking to you, i forget words, ifind it if i am talking to you, i forget words, i find it crazy.- if i am talking to you, i forget words, i find it crazy. words, ifind it crazy. yes, but here you _ words, ifind it crazy. yes, but here you are _ words, ifind it crazy. yes, but here you are talking _ words, ifind it crazy. yes, but here you are talking on - words, ifind it crazy. yes, but here you are talking on the i words, i find it crazy. yes, but i here you are talking on the radio sounding absolutely brilliant. that sounding absolutely brilliant. at the moment, at them and, yes. ifi carry— the moment, at them and, yes. ifi carry on— the moment, at them and, yes. ifi carry on talking, i will forget words~ — carry on talking, i will forget words. the thing is, i get very involved — words. the thing is, i get very involved with the alzheimer's society _ involved with the alzheimer's socie . ., , involved with the alzheimer's socie . . , ., involved with the alzheimer's society-_ they i involved with the alzheimer's i society._ they are society. that is great. they are absolutely _ society. that is great. they are absolutely amazing. _ society. that is great. they are absolutely amazing. going i society. that is great. they are absolutely amazing. going to i society. that is great. they are i absolutely amazing. going to various meetings, _ absolutely amazing. going to various meetings, i— absolutely amazing. going to various meetings, i go singing, play walking

football, _ meetings, i go singing, play walking football, i've meet up with lots of people. _ football, i've meet up with lots of people, two guys i've met who got diagnosed — people, two guys i've met who got diagnosed with alzheimer's once the new covid _ diagnosed with alzheimer's once the new covid lockdown started and because — new covid lockdown started and because they didn't meet people, they went — because they didn't meet people, they went a quicker than i am because i_ they went a quicker than i am because i am eating lots of quicker -- they— because i am eating lots of quicker —— they went downhill. 0nce because i am eating lots of quicker —— they went downhill. once you get diagnosed _ —— they went downhill. once you get diagnosed with it. —— because i am meeting _ diagnosed with it. —— because i am meeting lots— diagnosed with it. —— because i am meeting lots of people. you should find out _ meeting lots of people. you should find out about the alzheimer's society— find out about the alzheimer's society and go to all of the things they suggest because they are absolutely amazing.— they suggest because they are absolutely amazing. yeah, get involved, talk _ absolutely amazing. yeah, get involved, talk to _ absolutely amazing. yeah, get involved, talk to people. i absolutely amazing. yeah, get involved, talk to people. keep| involved, talk to people. keep stimulated. walking football, is it fun? ., ., ~ stimulated. walking football, is it fun? . ., ~ , fun? yeah, walking football is fun and more difficult _ fun? yeah, walking football is fun and more difficult than _ fun? yeah, walking football is fun and more difficult than normal i and more difficult than normal football — and more difficult than normal football. ~ , , ., and more difficult than normal| football._ because and more difficult than normal i football._ because you football. why is that? because you can only walk- _ football. why is that? because you can only walk. you _ football. why is that? because you can only walk. you cannot - football. why is that? because you

can only walk. you cannot run. i can only walk. you cannot run. graham, — can only walk. you cannot run. graham, there must be a temptation to speed up and go for the ball and dashed towards the goal, i absolutely get that, strict rule. it absolutely get that, strict rule. it is purely walking. it is very good and i_ is purely walking. it is very good and i do — is purely walking. it is very good and i do enjoy doing it. i do enjoy going _ and i do enjoy doing it. i do enjoy going to — and i do enjoy doing it. i do enjoy going to the singing although i cannot— going to the singing although i cannot sing properly but it is nice to meet— cannot sing properly but it is nice to meet up— cannot sing properly but it is nice to meet up with people and have a chat _ to meet up with people and have a chat. , �* ., i. to meet up with people and have a chat. , �* ., ., chat. doesn't matter you cannot sin. chat. doesn't matter you cannot sing- everybody— chat. doesn't matter you cannot sing. everybody can _ chat. doesn't matter you cannot sing. everybody can sing after i chat. doesn't matter you cannot sing. everybody can sing after a | sing. everybody can sing after a fashion. it isjust sing. everybody can sing after a fashion. it is just about getting the lungs moving and getting a loud sound coming out. good for the soul, singing. find sound coming out. good for the soul, sinarin. �* sound coming out. good for the soul, sinarin. . , sound coming out. good for the soul, sinrain.�* .. , sound coming out. good for the soul, sinrain.�* ,., , singing. and it is also very good because it _ singing. and it is also very good because it means _ singing. and it is also very good because it means when - singing. and it is also very good because it means when you i singing. and it is also very good because it means when you are| because it means when you are singing — because it means when you are singing a — because it means when you are singing a song you know, you don't have _ singing a song you know, you don't have to _ singing a song you know, you don't have to think, that is how it goes, but also _ have to think, that is how it goes, but also when you are learning a song. _ but also when you are learning a song. it— but also when you are learning a song, it helps the brain a lot when

you are _ song, it helps the brain a lot when you are actually singing stuff. very good _ you are actually singing stuff. very good. yeah. you know, obviously, dementia — good. yeah. you know, obviously, dementia is— good. yeah. you know, obviously, dementia is an attack on the brain. anyway. _ dementia is an attack on the brain. anyway. i— dementia is an attack on the brain. anyway, i thought i would phone you and let— anyway, i thought i would phone you and let you _ anyway, i thought i would phone you and let you know what i am doing. i will leave _ and let you know what i am doing. i will leave you to talk to other people — will leave you to talk to other people who probably will be more interesting than me. no people who probably will be more interesting than me.— people who probably will be more interesting than me. no way. that was very special — interesting than me. no way. that was very special was _ interesting than me. no way. that was very special was that - interesting than me. no way. that was very special was that i - interesting than me. no way. that was very special was that i feel i was very special was that i feel very privileged you got in touch, graham. . ~ very privileged you got in touch, graham. ., ,, ,~. very privileged you got in touch, graham. ., ,, i. ., ,, very privileged you got in touch, graham. ., ,, ., ,, very privileged you got in touch, graham. ., ,, .«r ., graham. thank you. take care and i will carry on — graham. thank you. take care and i will carry on listening _ graham. thank you. take care and i will carry on listening to _ graham. thank you. take care and i will carry on listening to the i graham. thank you. take care and i will carry on listening to the rest i will carry on listening to the rest of the _ will carry on listening to the rest of the programme.— will carry on listening to the rest of the programme. good luck with the footie and the. _ of the programme. good luck with the footie and the, what _ of the programme. good luck with the footie and the, what about _ of the programme. good luck with the footie and the, what about that, i footie and the, what about that, amazing, from graham? l footie and the, what about that, amazing, from graham?- footie and the, what about that, amazing, from graham? i think it 'ust amazing, from graham? i think it just reinforces _ amazing, from graham? i think it just reinforces everything i amazing, from graham? i think it just reinforces everything we i amazing, from graham? i think it i just reinforces everything we know, a diagnosis is not the end, it is the beginning. many people fear getting a diagnosis, they come forward later than they should because some people think, what is the point? we know one in three

people do not ever get a diagnosis subtle. as you are at the callers have mentioned, it is not easy. —— diagnosis at all. anyone worried about symptoms, things unusual happening to them, go to the gp and talk to them about it. we know there are waiting lists and as some of the callers have said, they might have to wait another six months after they had first seen a consultant. essentially, to get in the system means the start of getting answers. and start planning the rest of your life. we heard from tallulah willis, all about making memories and storing snippets of lovely times with her dad and i think that is what we all want, to be able to keep the connections and keep active and keep connected as much as possible throughout the challenges of dementia. for throughout the challenges of dementia-— throughout the challenges of dementia. ., , ~ ., ,, dementia. for sure. alison, thank ou for dementia. for sure. alison, thank you for waiting. _ dementia. for sure. alison, thank you for waiting. i _ dementia. for sure. alison, thank you for waiting. i was _ dementia. for sure. alison, thank you for waiting. i was going i dementia. for sure. alison, thank you for waiting. i was going to i dementia. for sure. alison, thank you for waiting. i was going to try | you for waiting. i was going to try to speak to you before the news.

jenny told us her incredible story. i am so pleased you are on now, alison. alison in dunfermline. julia in london. good morning to both of you. it is about a parent and this is about your mum, tell us more. mr; is about your mum, tell us more. my mum is about your mum, tell us more. ij�*i mum was diagnosed is about your mum, tell us more. ii1: mum was diagnosed at the is about your mum, tell us more. ii1 mum was diagnosed at the age of 60 with alzheimer's. just mum was diagnosed at the age of 60 with alzheimer's.— mum was diagnosed at the age of 60 with alzheimer's.- yes. - mum was diagnosed at the age of 60 with alzheimer's.- yes. 16 i with alzheimer's. just 60? yes. 16 ears with alzheimer's. just 60? yes. 16 years since — with alzheimer's. just 60? yes. 16 years since she — with alzheimer's. just 60? yes. 16 years since she had _ with alzheimer's. just 60? yes. 16 years since she had her _ with alzheimer's. just 60? yes. 16 years since she had her diagnosisl years since she had her diagnosis and she is still here. her doctor does not quite understand how. i would like to think it is the support of herfamily would like to think it is the support of her family that kept her going. she has been in residential care forjust over nine years and everything everyone has that resonates completely, it is about making the most of it, keeping people included in the community. we managed to do that quite well until the pandemic hit and the homes were

closed. over 70% of people in care homes have some kind of cognitive impairmentand homes have some kind of cognitive impairment and they were disproportionately impacted by the restrictions. if you have someone who is nonverbal because of dementia, they rely on touch, body language, they need people there. a lot of people, their conditions were exacerbated, went downhill fast, people giving up. i am involved in a care home campaign group. the impact on people with dementia and their families in the last three years has been horrific. both our campaign group and similar one in england are calling on the government to introduce a law that ensures care home residents are never cut off from families again because the impact has been too much and their issues with care homes will be looked at both in the uk inquiry and scottish inquiry and our care homes... we will be giving evidence

to the inquiry on everything that happened to our loved ones. i am sure ou happened to our loved ones. i am sure you will _ happened to our loved ones. i am sure you will have _ happened to our loved ones. i am sure you will have loads - happened to our loved ones. i am sure you will have loads to say. alison, thank you. julia, good morning. alison, thank you. julia, good morning-— alison, thank you. julia, good morning._ you - alison, thank you. julia, good morning._ you lost i alison, thank you. julia, good i morning._ you lost your morning. morning. you lost your husband to _ morning. morning. you lost your husband to dementia, _ morning. morning. you lost your husband to dementia, i - morning. morning. you lost your husband to dementia, i am - morning. morning. you lost your husband to dementia, i am so i morning. morning. you lost your i husband to dementia, i am so sorry to hear that. you want to offer some advice to other people going through it, little things you found good to do. , i i, i, it, little things you found good to do. , i, i, do. yes. richard had early onset dementia. _ do. yes. richard had early onset dementia. he — do. yes. richard had early onset dementia, he was _ do. yes. richard had early onset dementia, he was 68, _ do. yes. richard had early onset dementia, he was 68, very - dementia, he was 68, very accomplished man, did a very specific— accomplished man, did a very specific skill in the film industry withjamaica's leading specific skill in the film industry with jamaica's leading director of photography, he had to remember a lot of— photography, he had to remember a lot of stuff_ photography, he had to remember a lot of stuff in his profession for many— lot of stuff in his profession for many years. we noticed he was forgetting a lot. he was forgetting a lot on— forgetting a lot. he was forgetting a lot on a — forgetting a lot. he was forgetting a lot on a personal level with family. — a lot on a personal level with family, forgetting names and he was

becoming _ family, forgetting names and he was becoming disorientated when he went out. becoming disorientated when he went out he _ becoming disorientated when he went out. he was losing track of his surroundings. this is somewhere where _ surroundings. this is somewhere where he — surroundings. this is somewhere where he grew up. he was diagnosed with vascular dementia. he carried on for— with vascular dementia. he carried on for about— with vascular dementia. he carried on for about four, five years with it and _ on for about four, five years with it and he — on for about four, five years with it and he was still injamaica and i used _ it and he was still injamaica and i used to— it and he was still injamaica and i used to speak to him once a week and one of— used to speak to him once a week and one of the _ used to speak to him once a week and one of the things i did find very helpful— one of the things i did find very helpful and i wanted to share it because — helpful and i wanted to share it because it really likened his life in terms — because it really likened his life in terms of he was starting to get depressed — in terms of he was starting to get depressed because he was out of controh — depressed because he was out of control. i'm forgetting i have a grandson _ control. i'm forgetting i have a grandson. no, you have two. sometimes i will try and make it li-ht sometimes i will try and make it light for— sometimes i will try and make it light for him. i kept his world fun.

in light for him. i kept his world fun. in other— light for him. i kept his world fun. in other words, why make laughter out of— in other words, why make laughter out of little things he would forget —— | out of little things he would forget -- i made — out of little things he would forget —— i made laughter. ifound out of little things he would forget —— i made laughter. i found laughter changed _ —— i made laughter. i found laughter changed his — —— i made laughter. i found laughter changed his whole perspective until at first— changed his whole perspective until at first he _ changed his whole perspective until at first he was afraid of the calls because — at first he was afraid of the calls because he was afraid he was becoming embarrassed he was losing it. i recognised that and i used to say. _ it. i recognised that and i used to say. i— it. i recognised that and i used to say, i have — it. i recognised that and i used to say, i have forgotten that too. i sort _ say, i have forgotten that too. i sort of — say, i have forgotten that too. i sort of made fun of the calls. in other— sort of made fun of the calls. in other words, sort of made fun of the calls. in otherwords, i kept it sort of made fun of the calls. in other words, i kept it as light as i could _ other words, i kept it as light as i could. when he started to get into a state _ could. when he started to get into a state of _ could. when he started to get into a state of sort of imagining things, havingm — state of sort of imagining things, having... next week we will go off to so—and—so in the boat. we didn't have _ to so—and—so in the boat. we didn't have that _ to so—and—so in the boat. we didn't have that facility any more. i would say, yes, _ have that facility any more. i would say, yes, let's do it, we will pack

a picnic — say, yes, let's do it, we will pack a picnic i— say, yes, let's do it, we will pack a picnic. i made his world fun, as much _ a picnic. i made his world fun, as much as— a picnic. i made his world fun, as much as i— a picnic. i made his world fun, as much as i could, and i found that it was good _ much as i could, and i found that it was good for— much as i could, and i found that it was good for him and it was good for me. because i used to start to drag the calls— me. because i used to start to drag the calls because i would feel a pressure — the calls because i would feel a pressure that i would have to pretend —— dragged the calls. i said. _ pretend —— dragged the calls. i said. tet — pretend —— dragged the calls. i said, let me pretend, into his world, — said, let me pretend, into his world, keep it happy. it was good to keep him _ world, keep it happy. it was good to keep him happy because he laughed and he _ keep him happy because he laughed and he would feel it was real and it was so _ and he would feel it was real and it was so not — and he would feel it was real and it was so not real but that is how i did it _ was so not real but that is how i did it and — was so not real but that is how i did it and i_ was so not real but that is how i did it and ijust wanted to share it. i did it and ijust wanted to share it i found — did it and ijust wanted to share it. i found sometimes i had a particular— it. i found sometimes i had a particular friend who would go and see him _ particular friend who would go and see him and say, do you remember so-and-so? — see him and say, do you remember so—and—so? no, idon't. iwould see him and say, do you remember so—and—so? no, i don't. iwould see anguish _ so—and—so? no, i don't. iwould see anguish on _ so—and—so? no, idon't. iwould see anguish on his— so—and—so? no, i don't. iwould see anguish on his face. no, he does not remember, — anguish on his face. no, he does not remember, and that is a major part of the _ remember, and that is a major part of the illness. to ask him if he remembered was actually putting him

under— remembered was actually putting him under pressure and pressure is something they cannot take. ijust realty— something they cannot take. ijust really wanted to share that. it is a funny— really wanted to share that. it is a funny thing, i dreamt of him last night _ funny thing, i dreamt of him last night and — funny thing, i dreamt of him last night and i— funny thing, i dreamt of him last night and i turned on the tv this morning — night and i turned on the tv this morning and saw this programme and thought. _ morning and saw this programme and thought, i've got to share this. brilliant — thought, i've got to share this. brilliant. ~ , thought, i've got to share this. brilliant. ~' , ., , brilliant. like he visited me last niuht. i brilliant. like he visited me last night. i said. — brilliant. like he visited me last night. i said, oh, _ brilliant. like he visited me last night. i said, oh, my— brilliant. like he visited me last night. i said, oh, my gosh, - brilliant. like he visited me last night. i said, oh, my gosh, you| night. i said, oh, my gosh, you visited — night. i said, oh, my gosh, you visited rne. _ night. i said, oh, my gosh, you visited me, i've got to share it. it visited me, i've got to share it. [it is a visited me, i've got to share it. is a sign. visited me, i've got to share it. it is a sign. taking away the anguish, taking away the pressure, brilliant. absolutely brilliant. he was a dop. i work a bit in that area, director of photography, such skill. he was jamaica's leading... _ of photography, such skill. he was jamaica's leading... very - of photography, such skill. he was jamaica's leading... very proud i of photography, such skill. he was jamaica's leading... very proud of| jamaica's leading... very proud of hint _ jamaica's leading... very proud of hint he _ jamaica's leading... very proud of hint he was — jamaica's leading... very proud of him. he wasjamaica's leading dop for 28 _ him. he wasjamaica's leading dop for 28 years. i was with him for 28 years _ for 28 years. i was with him for 28 years it _ for 28 years. i was with him for 28 years it was — for 28 years. i was with him for 28

years. it was good.— years. it was good. what was he like? i years. it was good. what was he like? i just _ years. it was good. what was he like? i just wanted _ years. it was good. what was he like? i just wanted to _ years. it was good. what was he like? i just wanted to share - years. it was good. what was he | like? ijust wanted to share that. like? i 'ust wanted to share that. thank like? ijust wanted to share that. thank you _ like? ijust wanted to share that. thank you for— like? ijust wanted to share that. thank you for allowing _ like? ijust wanted to share that. thank you for allowing me. - like? ijust wanted to share that. thank you for allowing me. i - like? ijust wanted to share that. | thank you for allowing me. i want like? ijust wanted to share that. - thank you for allowing me. i want to know more — thank you for allowing me. i want to know more about _ thank you for allowing me. i want to know more about your— thank you for allowing me. i want to know more about your husband. - thank you for allowing me. i want to l know more about your husband. what was he like? what sort of man was he? very skilful. he was he like? what sort of man was he? very skilful.— he? very skilful. he was a fine artist. he? very skilful. he was a fine artist- he _ he? very skilful. he was a fine artist. he was _ he? very skilful. he was a fine artist. he was an _ he? very skilful. he was a fine artist. he was an autistic- he? very skilful. he was a fine. artist. he was an autistic savant and he — artist. he was an autistic savant and he was _ artist. he was an autistic savant and he was strange. he was a bit strange — and he was strange. he was a bit strange. yes, he was clearly strange and everyone knew him for that. he was also _ and everyone knew him for that. he was also a _ and everyone knew him for that. he was also a bit of a prima donna. but when _ was also a bit of a prima donna. but when you _ was also a bit of a prima donna. but when you got past all of that, which i did, _ when you got past all of that, which i did, i_ when you got past all of that, which idid. i am _ when you got past all of that, which i did, i am his wife, when you got past all of that, which i did, lam his wife, we had a when you got past all of that, which i did, i am his wife, we had a great lovei _ i did, i am his wife, we had a great love, he_ i did, i am his wife, we had a great love, he was— i did, i am his wife, we had a great love, he was amazing. he loved, he knew _ love, he was amazing. he loved, he knew how _ love, he was amazing. he loved, he knew how to— love, he was amazing. he loved, he knew how to love, he loved his family. — knew how to love, he loved his family. we _ knew how to love, he loved his family, we have two wonderful sons, one who _ family, we have two wonderful sons, one who lives in london, the other one who lives in london, the other one who _ one who lives in london, the other one who lives in london, the other one who lives in london, the other one who lives in spain. we share grandchildren. he is not around. he died in _ grandchildren. he is not around. he died in september. i went back to jamaica — died in september. i went back to jamaica. they gave him an official

youtuhe — jamaica. they gave him an official youtube funeral to honour him, it was great — youtube funeral to honour him, it was great it— youtube funeral to honour him, it was great. it was good. yeah, he was good _ was great. it was good. yeah, he was iood. ., . was great. it was good. yeah, he was ood. ., ., ., ., was great. it was good. yeah, he was iood. ., ., ., ., ., ., good. you had a great love, i love that expression, _ good. you had a great love, i love that expression, we _ good. you had a great love, i love that expression, we had _ good. you had a great love, i love that expression, we had a - good. you had a great love, i love that expression, we had a great . that expression, we had a great love. i that expression, we had a great love. . ., love. idid leave him, though. he was a difficult _ love. idid leave him, though. he was a difficult man, _ love. idid leave him, though. he was a difficult man, a _ love. idid leave him, though. he was a difficult man, a very - was a difficult man, a very difficult _ was a difficult man, a very difficult man, but we had a great love _ difficult man, but we had a great love we — difficult man, but we had a great love. we maintained our friendship, which _ love. we maintained our friendship, which was _ love. we maintained our friendship, which was fabulous for me. we were friends, _ which was fabulous for me. we were friends, write to the end, i said, i will hold — friends, write to the end, i said, i will hold your hand through it. i know— will hold your hand through it. i know you — will hold your hand through it. i know you would hold my hand through it too _ know you would hold my hand through it too even _ know you would hold my hand through it too. even though he had another lady after— it too. even though he had another lady after and he had his women and we were _ lady after and he had his women and we were separated, not divorced, we had a _ we were separated, not divorced, we had a friendship that was from 17 years— had a friendship that was from 17 years old — had a friendship that was from 17 years old i— had a friendship that was from 17 years old. i knew him from when i was i7~ _ years old. i knew him from when i was i7~ we — years old. i knew him from when i was 17. we were best friends. that

is it, _ was 17. we were best friends. that is it. really — was 17. we were best friends. that is it, really. he was a clever, clever— is it, really. he was a clever, clever nran _ is it, really. he was a clever, clever man. i really respected his talent _ clever man. i really respected his talent he — clever man. i really respected his talent. he was super—talented. it was beautiful to see. but it was really _ was beautiful to see. but it was really hard to watch his demise in terms _ really hard to watch his demise in terms of— really hard to watch his demise in terms of the deterioration and then he lost _ terms of the deterioration and then he lost his— terms of the deterioration and then he lost his walking skills, it became _ he lost his walking skills, it became hard for him to walk. and then— became hard for him to walk. and then he _ became hard for him to walk. and then he couldn't look after that i had to— then he couldn't look after that i had to place him in a care facility. we had _ had to place him in a care facility. we had wonderful friends from the film industry who had family to look after him. _ film industry who had family to look after him, to care for him, to monitor— after him, to care for him, to monitor his— after him, to care for him, to monitor his care. i have two really .ive monitor his care. i have two really give thanks— monitor his care. i have two really give thanks to those two people who held his _ give thanks to those two people who held his hand. give thanks to those two people who held his hand-— held his hand. julia, you are amazing- — held his hand. julia, you are amazing- i— held his hand. julia, you are amazing. i am _ held his hand. julia, you are amazing. i am so _ held his hand. julia, you are amazing. i am so pleased i held his hand. julia, you are i amazing. i am so pleased you held his hand. julia, you are - amazing. i am so pleased you got in touch with us after he visited you

last night and you saw us on the television and got in touch, fantastic. i would love to talk to you again sometime.— fantastic. i would love to talk to you again sometime. thank you. any time, my pleasure. _ you again sometime. thank you. any time, my pleasure. our— you again sometime. thank you. any time, my pleasure. our pleasure. i time, my pleasure. our pleasure. here is a man. — time, my pleasure. our pleasure. here is a man, pull— time, my pleasure. our pleasure. here is a man, pull in _ time, my pleasure. our pleasure. here is a man, pull in cranbrook,| here is a man, pull in cranbrook, you have done some serious running. —— paul. you have done some serious running. -- paul. ., . ,. you have done some serious running. -- paul-_ fine- - you have done some serious running. -- paul-_ fine-- -- paul. how are you? fine. it was from about— -- paul. how are you? fine. it was from about three _ -- paul. how are you? fine. it was from about three years _ -- paul. how are you? fine. it was from about three years ago, - from about three years ago, something like that, i had not run anywhere for 110 odd years, the reason for this is my mum was diagnosed with vascular dementia when she was 64, she will be 77 this year and she is still with us. she is not in great shape, she has been pretty much catatonic i guess for the last five years which has been extremely difficult. i wanted to do

something that put me out of my comfort zone to try to raise money for alzheimer's research just in case we could find something that would prevent other family members going through it. i have been listening today to a lot of your callers and it is devastating, each individual story is traumatic in its own right. ifeel for individual story is traumatic in its own right. i feel for everybody. individual story is traumatic in its own right. ifeel for everybody. i have gone through a similar sort of setup and situation, that carers my mum has at the care home are just incredible. i cannot praise them enough. the thing i could do that was do something i didn't like which was do something i didn't like which was try to get out for a jog. i managed to do a couple of different challenges for alzheimer's research and the last year, in october, i ran the london marathon for alzheimer's research. i am certainly not a runner and i'm certainly getting a bit too old for that sort of caper. good way to raise some money. the

thini is, good way to raise some money. the thing is, doing something so close to your heart, gives you extra yard, as they say. it to your heart, gives you extra yard, as they say-— as they say. it does. it ended up especially _ as they say. it does. it ended up especially for — as they say. it does. it ended up especially for the _ as they say. it does. it ended up especially for the london - as they say. it does. it ended up - especially for the london marathon, it became very emotional, surprisingly so. i was seeing messages come up on my watch i was going around with more donations coming in, more donations and messages of support. i had a photo of my mum on my back and also of my auntie in my brothers, my wife's grammar as well, all had the same problem, that gave me an extra push, people donated for particular miles. it was in memory of them when i was running past that mile. quite an emotional day. but, yeah, it was nice to do. in fact, it wasn't, it was horrible, quite frankly, but it was horrible, quite frankly, but it was nice to achieve it. the money

raised was fantastic. i cannot thank the people that donated enough because they did the hard bit by chucking the cash that way and i just had to plod along the 26 miles. it was a big thank you to them. filed it was a big thank you to them. plod aloni the it was a big thank you to them. plod along the 26 — it was a big thank you to them. plod along the 26 miles. _ it was a big thank you to them. plod along the 26 miles. yeah. _ it was a big thank you to them. plod along the 26 miles. yeah. how - it was a big thank you to them. plod along the 26 miles. yeah. how are l along the 26 miles. yeah. how are the knees? — along the 26 miles. yeah. how are the knees? not _ along the 26 miles. yeah. how are the knees? not too _ along the 26 miles. yeah. how are the knees? not too bad. _ along the 26 miles. yeah. how are the knees? not too bad. i- along the 26 miles. yeah. how are the knees? not too bad. i had - along the 26 miles. yeah. how are the knees? not too bad. i had a i along the 26 miles. yeah. how are l the knees? not too bad. i had a tear in my achilles _ the knees? not too bad. i had a tear in my achilles and _ the knees? not too bad. i had a tear in my achilles and that _ the knees? not too bad. i had a tear in my achilles and that happened i in my achilles and that happened after five miles so it was quite painful for about 21 of them. it was... until i got to the 20 mile mark, i was uncertain whether i would finish. but i did manage to get it done. that was... would finish. but i did manage to get it done. that was. . .— would finish. but i did manage to get it done. that was... great call to finish on. _ get it done. that was... great call to finish on, putting _ get it done. that was... great call to finish on, putting that - get it done. that was... great call to finish on, putting that energy l to finish on, putting that energy into raising money and the passion you have for it for obvious reasons, channelling, that is the word i'm

looking for. good luck with the next marathon, paul.— looking for. good luck with the next marathon, paul. thank you. not too sure, marathon, paul. thank you. not too sure. trying — marathon, paul. thank you. not too sure. trying to _ marathon, paul. thank you. not too sure. trying to get _ marathon, paul. thank you. not too sure, trying to get over— marathon, paul. thank you. not too sure, trying to get over pneumonia l sure, trying to get over pneumonia at moment. sure, trying to get over pneumonia at moment-— at moment. thank you, take care. thank you — at moment. thank you, take care. thank you to _ at moment. thank you, take care. thank you to everyone, _ at moment. thank you, take care. i thank you to everyone, extraordinary calls this morning. see you tomorrow. live from london. this is bbc news. rishi sunak arrives in moldova — where dozens of european leaders will discuss the war in ukraine — with president zelensky. two children pulled from the sea near bournemouth pier have died. a man is arrested on suspicion of manslaughter. hello, i'm frankie mccamley. we start in moldova, the country which neighbours

ukraine to the west, and which has become increasingly