they're doing a thoroughjob? welcome to the programme. the government is to launch a legal challenge over the covid inquiry�*s demand for whatsapp messages and documents. officials missed a 4pm deadline to disclose messages between boris johnson and his advisers during the pandemic. joining me to discuss that and a range of stories over the next hour is my panel tonight — jim murphy, former labour cabinet minister, and the republican strategist maura gillespie. and the republican strategist evening and the republican strategist to you both. we will more evening to you both. we will talk more in a moment. also coming up on the programme: the influencer andrew tate has defended his reputation and denied fuelling a culture of misogyny in a combative interview with the bbc. we will also bring you the latest on the debt ceiling debate in the us senate.

the bill moved a step closer last night, passing through the house of representatives on wednesday, but the clock is ticking. and do you know your o's from your e�*s, your g's from yourj's? the pressure mounts in washington, as the final of the national annual spelling bee gets under way. i'll put our panel to the test. but first — the legal challenge launched by the government. it's over demands from the covid public inquiry that ministers�* whatsapp messages from the pandemic are released. in a letter, the cabinet office said it was doing so "with regret" but that the request goes beyond the remit of the inquiry. a deadline for the government to submit the messages passed at 4pm this afternoon, but the inquiry says it instead received notice of legal action. in response, borisjohnson said he was "happy" to hand over unredacted material if asked. let's talk about it with the panel, and, jim, what do you make of this? because the government here is saying we are not going to handed over because it bridges privacy

rules, but it is also that human rights act that they want to repeal. it is in direct contradiction to that, isn't it?— it is in direct contradiction to that, isn't it? how to those in government _ that, isn't it? how to those in government can _ that, isn't it? how to those in government can indicate - that, isn't it? how to those in government can indicate with | that, isn't it? how to those in - government can indicate with one another if there is a potential that everything they have on the text message or an e—mail will end up in the public arena? so it will add to a sense of caution, but on the specific, i think this is a last thing the prime minister needs. he is trying to treat don't act great the impression that borisjohnson is another country, another leader —— create the impression. like so many in public life, theyjust cannot escape from under the personality and the controversy that boris johnson brings to everything he touches us up this is not what rishi sunak needed, it is not what he wanted, and i think this will run and run right up until the next uk general election. there is only one

group of people happy with that and thatis group of people happy with that and that is that group who wants to see the conservatives defeated at the next election.— next election. erased a couple of interesting _ next election. erased a couple of interesting questions _ next election. erased a couple of interesting questions there, - next election. erased a couple of interesting questions there, first i interesting questions there, first of all that the government business should be handled on whatsapp but is that an appropriate method of communication for government ministers? i communication for government ministers?— ministers? i don't think it is, certainly _ ministers? i don't think it is, certainly not _ ministers? i don't think it is, certainly not in _ ministers? i don't think it is, certainly not in the _ ministers? i don't think it is, | certainly not in the traditional sense. but, look, iwas a certainly not in the traditional sense. but, look, i was a government minister in five government apartment here in the uk, but this was before whatsapp, it was before the ubiquitous nature of internet, only a dozen years ago, which shows how far we have come in such a short period of time, but i don't think anyone in their work with one every text message that they have ever sent to anyone to be in the front page of all the newspapers, but i think probably we are learning as we go along, and this is probably the new normal, so all of this is going to come out, it will be highly controversial, it may be very embarrassing politically gone back,

politically damaging —— in damaging, politically damaging —— in damaging, politically damaging, but etiquette is the new norm. people in the uk and across the world will have to adapt. and across the world will have to ada t. ~ ., ., and across the world will have to ada t. ~ . . , and across the world will have to adat. a, . , i” adapt. maura, let me bring you in here, adapt. maura, let me bring you in here. because _ adapt. maura, let me bring you in here, because legalities - adapt. maura, let me bring you in here, because legalities aside, i adapt. maura, let me bring you in i here, because legalities aside, what the government wants to hand over and what it will be compelled to do, this is about perception, it is a perception the government has something to hide?— perception the government has something to hide? right, and i would say as— something to hide? right, and i would say as a _ something to hide? right, and i would say as a former _ something to hide? right, and i i would say as a former government employee, — would say as a former government employee, we did not use whatsapp either. _ employee, we did not use whatsapp either. but _ employee, we did not use whatsapp either, but what also struck me was you are _ either, but what also struck me was you are right, not eating their story— you are right, not eating their story straight. itjust you are right, not eating their story straight. it just seems as though— story straight. it just seems as though there was an opportunity to be forthright and explain, 0k, we did not— be forthright and explain, 0k, we did not cement the messages we need to we will_ did not cement the messages we need to we will submit them now. it just seems _ to we will submit them now. it just seems again came out haphazardly and thus letting people think that there is a cover_ thus letting people think that there is a cover up or there is something that is— is a cover up or there is something that is being — is a cover up or there is something that is being hidden from them, and i that is being hidden from them, and iwoutd _ that is being hidden from them, and iwoutd say— that is being hidden from them, and i would say that is also a problem. boris _ i would say that is also a problem. borisjohnson says that i would say that is also a problem. boris johnson says that he i would say that is also a problem. borisjohnson says that he has already handed over the documents in question he has handed the documents

of the messages of the whatsapp. he said he would do so himself is asked. do we expect that would happen, jim? i asked. do we expect that would happen. jim?— happen, jim? i think he will be asked, it happen, jim? i think he will be asked. it is _ happen, jim? i think he will be asked, it is unavoidable - happen, jim? i think he will be asked, it is unavoidable he - happen, jim? i think he will be i asked, it is unavoidable he would be, but even if the —— in the words you read out, which i completely accept will be verbatim what boris johnson's spokesperson said, there were three orfour johnson's spokesperson said, there were three or four holes in that one sentence. he has said he handed over material. he does not say what material. he does not say what material. it does not say all whatsapp messages. with these sorts of things, it is the cover—up that kills you, and in that one sentence, disclaimer, he has invited so much further scrutiny. this will all come out, and it is better to get it out early in one go rather than have it grind out the next few months. fiur grind out the next few months. our correspondent was telling us a little earlier it is not all the whatsapp messages because boris johnson got a new phone, quite a crucial point. we will talk about

that a little later, but there's a lot to discuss on the programme tonight, and we are going to have to —— we are going to talk about the debt ceiling. after passing through the house of representatives, the us debt ceiling deal is being debated in the senate today. the final hurdle will be a vote on friday on the bipartisan bill to raise the government's $31.4 trillion debt ceiling, which will increase the amount of money the government can borrow to avoid defaulting on its debts. let's talk now to leigh ann caldwell from the washington post. leigh ann, an important milestone, and import part of this deal was passed last night, but the clock is still ticking, counting into that june the 5th deadline when the us runs out of money was green yet, thatis runs out of money was green yet, that is absolutely right. so the deal passed the house of representatives last night, which is a pretty significant representatives last night, which is a pretty significan— a pretty significant move. it passed with bipartisan _ a pretty significant move. it passed with bipartisan support, _ a pretty significant move. it passed with bipartisan support, max - a pretty significant move. it passed with bipartisan support, max lee i with bipartisan support, max lee more _ with bipartisan support, max lee more democrats _ with bipartisan support, max lee more democrats than _ with bipartisan support, max lee i more democrats than republicans. with bipartisan support, max lee - more democrats than republicans. now it heads— more democrats than republicans. now it heads to _ more democrats than republicans. now it heads to the _ more democrats than republicans. now it heads to the senate, _ more democrats than republicans. now it heads to the senate, which _ more democrats than republicans. now it heads to the senate, which is - it heads to the senate, which is where _ it heads to the senate, which is where it— it heads to the senate, which is where it is— it heads to the senate, which is where it is now— it heads to the senate, which is where it is now and _ it heads to the senate, which is where it is now and where - it heads to the senate, which is where it is now and where for. it heads to the senate, which is i where it is now and where for the moment— where it is now and where for the moment anyways _ where it is now and where for the moment anyways it _ where it is now and where for the moment anyways it has _ where it is now and where for the moment anyways it has stalled. i where it is now and where for the - moment anyways it has stalled. what is happening —

moment anyways it has stalled. what is happening behind _ moment anyways it has stalled. what is happening behind the _ moment anyways it has stalled. what is happening behind the scenes- moment anyways it has stalled. what is happening behind the scenes as . is happening behind the scenes as there are — is happening behind the scenes as there are negotiations, _ is happening behind the scenes as there are negotiations, because i is happening behind the scenes as - there are negotiations, because some of the _ there are negotiations, because some of the senators— there are negotiations, because some of the senators are _ there are negotiations, because some of the senators are not _ there are negotiations, because some of the senators are not happy - there are negotiations, because some of the senators are not happy with - of the senators are not happy with the hilt. _ of the senators are not happy with the bill. they— of the senators are not happy with the bill, they want _ of the senators are not happy with the bill, they want more _ of the senators are not happy with the bill, they want more defence i the bill, they want more defence spending. — the bill, they want more defence spending. for— the bill, they want more defence spending, for example. - the bill, they want more defence spending, for example. they- the bill, they want more defence i spending, for example. they think the amount— spending, for example. they think the amount of— spending, for example. they think the amount of money— spending, for example. they think the amount of money that - spending, for example. they think the amount of money that was - the amount of money that was allocated — the amount of money that was allocated for— the amount of money that was allocated for defence, - the amount of money that was allocated for defence, about i the amount of money that was - allocated for defence, about $860 billion. _ allocated for defence, about $860 billion. is— allocated for defence, about $860 billion. is not— allocated for defence, about $860 billion, is not enough, _ allocated for defence, about $860 billion, is not enough, and - allocated for defence, about $860 billion, is not enough, and so- allocated for defence, about $860j billion, is not enough, and so they are trying — billion, is not enough, and so they are trying to — billion, is not enough, and so they are trying to come _ billion, is not enough, and so they are trying to come up _ billion, is not enough, and so they are trying to come up with - billion, is not enough, and so they are trying to come up with a - billion, is not enough, and so they are trying to come up with a way. billion, is not enough, and so theyl are trying to come up with a way to alter— are trying to come up with a way to alter the hilt. — are trying to come up with a way to alter the bill, to _ are trying to come up with a way to alter the bill, to change, _ are trying to come up with a way to alter the bill, to change, to- are trying to come up with a way to alter the bill, to change, to have i alter the bill, to change, to have amendments _ alter the bill, to change, to have amendments. they— alter the bill, to change, to have amendments. they are - alter the bill, to change, to have amendments. they are in- alter the bill, to change, to have amendments. they are in thosel amendments. they are in those negotiations— amendments. they are in those negotiations right _ amendments. they are in those negotiations right now- amendments. they are in those negotiations right now with - amendments. they are in those negotiations right now with the | negotiations right now with the senate — negotiations right now with the senate leaders, _ negotiations right now with the senate leaders, clear- negotiations right now with the senate leaders, clear that - negotiations right now with the . senate leaders, clear that perhaps they will— senate leaders, clear that perhaps they will vote _ senate leaders, clear that perhaps they will vote on _ senate leaders, clear that perhaps they will vote on these _ senate leaders, clear that perhaps. they will vote on these amendments, but these _ they will vote on these amendments, but these amendment _ they will vote on these amendments, but these amendment will— they will vote on these amendments, but these amendment will not - they will vote on these amendments, but these amendment will not pass i but these amendment will not pass because _ but these amendment will not pass because there _ but these amendment will not pass because there is _ but these amendment will not pass because there is not _ but these amendment will not pass because there is not enough - but these amendment will not pass because there is not enough time l but these amendment will not passi because there is not enough time to change _ because there is not enough time to change the — because there is not enough time to change the bill— because there is not enough time to change the bill and _ because there is not enough time to change the bill and go _ because there is not enough time to change the bill and go through- because there is not enough time to| change the bill and go through some of the _ change the bill and go through some of the process— change the bill and go through some of the process again _ change the bill and go through some of the process again before - change the bill and go through some of the process again before that - of the process again before that june the — of the process again before that june the fifth _ of the process again before that june the fifth deadline. - of the process again before that june the fifth deadline. it - of the process again before that june the fifth deadline. it passed easil last june the fifth deadline. it passed easily last night _ june the fifth deadline. it passed easily last night and _ june the fifth deadline. it passed easily last night and there - june the fifth deadline. it passed easily last night and there is - june the fifth deadline. it passed easily last night and there is no | easily last night and there is no suggestion it will not fulfil all the other formalities, suggestion it will not fulfil all the otherformalities, but suggestion it will not fulfil all the other formalities, but let's suggestion it will not fulfil all the otherformalities, but let's not forget there is a very serious implications if it does not. right around the world, we would feel the

all—out from this? that around the world, we would feel the all-out from this?— all-out from this? that is absolutely _ all-out from this? that is absolutely right. - all-out from this? that is absolutely right. this - all-out from this? that is absolutely right. this is l all-out from this? that is l absolutely right. this is not something _ absolutely right. this is not something that _ absolutely right. this is not something that would - absolutely right. this is not something that would just. absolutely right. this is not. something that would just be absolutely right. this is not- something that would just be felt in the us. _ something that would just be felt in the us. all— something that would just be felt in the us. all the _ something that would just be felt in the us, all the people _ something that would just be felt in the us, all the people who- something that would just be felt in the us, all the people who loaned i the us, all the people who loaned their money— the us, all the people who loaned their money to _ the us, all the people who loaned their money to the _ the us, all the people who loaned their money to the us, _ the us, all the people who loaned their money to the us, the - the us, all the people who loaned i their money to the us, the debtors, they would — their money to the us, the debtors, they would not— their money to the us, the debtors, they would not be _ their money to the us, the debtors, they would not be able _ their money to the us, the debtors, they would not be able to _ their money to the us, the debtors, they would not be able to be - their money to the us, the debtors, they would not be able to be paid i they would not be able to be paid back. _ they would not be able to be paid back. this — they would not be able to be paid back, this impacts— they would not be able to be paid back, this impacts world - they would not be able to be paid back, this impacts world aid - they would not be able to be paid i back, this impacts world aid around the country. — back, this impacts world aid around the country. the _ back, this impacts world aid around the country, the aid _ back, this impacts world aid around the country, the aid that— back, this impacts world aid around the country, the aid that the - back, this impacts world aid around the country, the aid that the united states— the country, the aid that the united states gives — the country, the aid that the united states gives. this _ the country, the aid that the united states gives. this would _ the country, the aid that the united states gives. this would impact - the country, the aid that the united states gives. this would impact the military— states gives. this would impact the military across _ states gives. this would impact the military across the _ states gives. this would impact the military across the us _ states gives. this would impact the military across the us military, - military across the us military, stationed — military across the us military, stationed across— military across the us military, stationed across the _ military across the us military, stationed across the road, - military across the us military, stationed across the road, and| military across the us military, i stationed across the road, and so this would — stationed across the road, and so this would have _ stationed across the road, and so this would have global— this would have global ramifications. - this would have global ramifications. that- this would have global ramifications. that is. this would have global. ramifications. that isjust this would have global- ramifications. that isjust when they— ramifications. that isjust when they would _ ramifications. that isjust when they would not— be able to pay their bills, but this would _ be able to pay their bills, but this would have — be able to pay their bills, but this would have economic— be able to pay their bills, but this i would have economic ramifications, because _ would have economic ramifications, because if— would have economic ramifications, because if there _ would have economic ramifications, because if there is _ would have economic ramifications, because if there is no _ would have economic ramifications, because if there is no trust - would have economic ramifications, because if there is no trust in - would have economic ramifications, because if there is no trust in the l because if there is no trust in the us government _ because if there is no trust in the us government has _ because if there is no trust in the us government has not - because if there is no trust in the| us government has not happened before. _ us government has not happened before. there _ us government has not happened before, there been _ us government has not happened before, there been no _ us government has not happened before, there been no default - before, there been no default before. — before, there been no default before. so— before, there been no default before, so people _ before, there been no default before, so people cannot- before, there been no default - before, so people cannot obviously want to _ before, so people cannot obviously want to find — before, so people cannot obviously want to find out _ before, so people cannot obviously want to find out what _ before, so people cannot obviously want to find out what exactly- before, so people cannot obviously want to find out what exactly whatl want to find out what exactly what happened — want to find out what exactly what happened and _ want to find out what exactly what happened and how— want to find out what exactly what happened and how quickly - want to find out what exactly what happened and how quickly that. want to find out what exactly what - happened and how quickly that impact would _ happened and how quickly that impact would be _ happened and how quickly that impact would be. �* happened and how quickly that impact would be. ~ , , would be. leigh ann, stay with us. i want to bring _ would be. leigh ann, stay with us. i want to bring in _

would be. leigh ann, stay with us. i want to bring in jim _ would be. leigh ann, stay with us. i want to bring in jim and macklin. it| want to bring injim and macklin. it is interesting, when you hear what president biden was talking about, he said, no one got everything they wanted, neitherside he said, no one got everything they wanted, neither side got what they wanted, neither side got what they wanted, that is the responsibility of governing, but equally we heard some republicans complaining they secured to few concessions from this, they could have got more in return for raising the debt ceiling? neither side particular happy, but is thatjust a x? that neither side particular happy, but is thatjust a x?— is thatjust a x? that is divided government. — is thatjust a x? that is divided government, right? _ is thatjust a x? that is divided government, right? i- is thatjust a x? that is divided government, right? iworked l is thatjust a x? that is divided l government, right? iworked for government, right? i worked for speaker— government, right? i worked for speakerjohn bater. we saw this when he was _ speakerjohn bater. we saw this when he was a _ speakerjohn bater. we saw this when he was a speaker and working across the aisle _ he was a speaker and working across the aisle with president 0bama to aet the aisle with president 0bama to get things done, to get the debt ceiling _ get things done, to get the debt ceiling race commences also reminder to republicans, democrats and all—americans — elections matter. —— speaker— all—americans — elections matter. —— speakerjohn— all—americans — elections matter. —— speakerjohn boehner. i know this was their— speakerjohn boehner. i know this was their ticket to do that, but they— was their ticket to do that, but they did — was their ticket to do that, but they did not get all they wanted, so they did not get all they wanted, so they did _ they did not get all they wanted, so they did not get all they wanted, so

they did not get all they wanted on they did not get all they wanted on the table. — they did not get all they wanted on the table, but for speaker mccarthy this is— the table, but for speaker mccarthy this is a _ the table, but for speaker mccarthy this is a win. in the table, but for speaker mccarthy this is a win-— this is a win. in the house, comparing _ this is a win. in the house, comparing it _ this is a win. in the house, comparing it to _ this is a win. in the house, comparing it to the - this is a win. in the house, comparing it to the uk, . this is a win. in the house, j comparing it to the uk, we this is a win. in the house, - comparing it to the uk, we know the conservative echo majority is slowly being trimmed and it makes it much, much harder to get things through? —— conservative majority. it — — conservative majority. certainly —— conservative majority. certainly does, and —— conservative majority.- certainly does, and maura's —— conservative majority- certainly does, and maura's point —— conservative majority— certainly does, and maura's point is an important one. everyone involved in getting this past, it is a win for them, in getting this past, it is a win forthem, but in getting this past, it is a win for them, but there is only one person who is president, so it is a net win forjoe biden. for those of us who want to see the democrat world sustained it is strictly important the us reaches this deal, because in a world so much turbulence, we don't need the further shocks of us economic uncertainty —— the democratic world. the democratic world is unresolved in so many different ways and we do not need it undermines the neck undermine from within in the us or

the uk -- undermine from within in the us or the uk —— undermine from within. jim the uk -- undermine from within. jim sa inc, the uk —— undermine from within. jim saying, we don't need this stuff going on, but here we are once again facing this issue. this finally puts it to bed for a few more years, doesn't it? it it to bed for a few more years, doesn't it?— doesn't it? it puts into bed for about three — doesn't it? it puts into bed for about three presidential - doesn't it? it puts into bed for i about three presidential election, until about three presidential election, untitjanuary_ about three presidential election, untitjanuary of _ about three presidential election, untiljanuary of 2025, _ about three presidential election, untiljanuary of 2025, so - about three presidential election, untiljanuary of 2025, so any- about three presidential election, untiljanuary of 2025, so any sort| untiljanuary of 2025, so any sort of final— untiljanuary of 2025, so any sort of final days _ untiljanuary of 2025, so any sort of final days of _ untiljanuary of 2025, so any sort of final days ofjoe _ untiljanuary of 2025, so any sort of final days ofjoe biden's - of final days ofjoe biden's residency. _ of final days ofjoe biden's residency, or— of final days ofjoe biden's residency, or the - of final days ofjoe biden's i residency, orthe incoming... of final days ofjoe biden's _ residency, orthe incoming... before an incoming— residency, orthe incoming... before an incoming president, _ residency, orthe incoming... before an incoming president, if— residency, orthe incoming... before an incoming president, if there - residency, orthe incoming... before an incoming president, if there is- an incoming president, if there is any president. _ an incoming president, if there is any president. it _ an incoming president, if there is any president, it does, _ an incoming president, if there is any president, it does, and - an incoming president, if there is any president, it does, and it- an incoming president, if there is any president, it does, and it will say that— any president, it does, and it will say that there _ any president, it does, and it will say that there are _ any president, it does, and it will say that there are some - say that there are some conservatives _ say that there are some conservatives who - say that there are some conservatives who are i say that there are some i conservatives who are not say that there are some - conservatives who are not happy say that there are some _ conservatives who are not happy that it does _ conservatives who are not happy that it does put _ conservatives who are not happy that it does put it — conservatives who are not happy that it does put it to— conservatives who are not happy that it does put it to bed _ conservatives who are not happy that it does put it to bed for— conservatives who are not happy that it does put it to bed for the _ conservatives who are not happy that it does put it to bed for the next i it does put it to bed for the next year and — it does put it to bed for the next year and a — it does put it to bed for the next yearand a half— it does put it to bed for the next year and a half because - it does put it to bed for the next year and a half because they i it does put it to bed for the nextj year and a half because they say that this — year and a half because they say that this is — year and a half because they say that this is their— year and a half because they say that this is their leverage - year and a half because they say that this is their leverage to i year and a half because they say that this is their leverage to tryl that this is their leverage to try to enact— that this is their leverage to try to enact some _ that this is their leverage to try to enact some spending - that this is their leverage to try i to enact some spending reforms, that this is their leverage to try - to enact some spending reforms, and they have _ to enact some spending reforms, and they have given — to enact some spending reforms, and they have given away— to enact some spending reforms, and they have given away that _ to enact some spending reforms, and they have given away that leverage i they have given away that leverage through _ they have given away that leverage through the — they have given away that leverage through the rest _ they have given away that leverage through the rest of— they have given away that leverage through the rest of the _ they have given away that leverage through the rest of the biden - through the rest of the biden presidency. _ through the rest of the biden presidency, and _ through the rest of the biden presidency, and some - through the rest of the biden - presidency, and some conservatives are not— presidency, and some conservatives are not happy— presidency, and some conservatives are not happy with _ presidency, and some conservatives are not happy with it— presidency, and some conservatives are not happy with it and _ presidency, and some conservatives are not happy with it and that - presidency, and some conservatives are not happy with it and that is i are not happy with it and that is part of— are not happy with it and that is part of the _ are not happy with it and that is part of the reason _ are not happy with it and that is part of the reason they - are not happy with it and that is part of the reason they did i are not happy with it and that is part of the reason they did not. are not happy with it and that is i part of the reason they did not vote for it. _ part of the reason they did not vote for it. but— part of the reason they did not vote for it, but ultimately— part of the reason they did not vote for it, but ultimately it _ part of the reason they did not vote for it, but ultimately it got - 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and a rare plant, normally found only in the swamps of south—west florida and in cuba, is beginning to flower in the uk for the first time. this is the florida ghost orchid — there are less than 2,000 in existence. it was flown to the uk from chicago two weeks ago, now on display at kew gardens in london. you're live with bbc news. now an update on that breaking news we had earlier in the programme. a man who was arrested on suspicion of manslaughter after the deaths of two young people in bournemouth in dorset has been released under investigation. a girl, aged 12, and a 17—year—old boy were pulled from the sea on wednesday. the police have said they weren't hit by any boats orjet skis and that no—one jumped from the pier. duncan kennedy has sent this report.

bournemouth is very much a family resort, but everyone you speak to here is in a state of some disbelief over what has happened. what we now know is these swimmers were not hit by a boat, they were not hit by a jet ski, and they did not get injured byjumping off the peerfor some beyond that, everyone, including the families of the two young victims who died here, are waiting to find out exactly what did happen. police are not releasing very many more details, what they are doing is asking for eyewitnesses to come forward. anybody who saw what happened, in particular anybody who might have found something on their phones, hand that over to the police investigation. that investigation continues not only with the police but also with the marine accident investigation branch, which investigates accidents involving the sea, that investigation is likely to take some time. the police have also said tonight that a lto—year—old man who was on the water at the time of the

incident, and he was being questioned on suspicion of manslaughter, has been released pending inquiries. elsewhere, the leader of the local council has spoken out about this incident today for she has had bournemouth will continue to be busy, it will attract a lot of people, but in her words, he will remain safe. flint" he will remain safe. our correspondent - he will remain safe. our correspondent there, i he will remain safe. our correspondent there, duncan kennedy, with the latest on that arrest of the men are released after being arrested on suspicion of manslaughter. i want to bring you those pictures we brought you earlier, the from the united states. presidentjoe biden has tripped and fallen while handing out diplomas at a graduation ceremony at the us air force academy on thursday. the 80—year—old us president fell but quickly got up again. the white house keen to point out that he got up unassisted.

the white house has said that president biden was fine and that he tripped over a sandbag on stage. you see him there. all of this coming as the republican competitors hit the campaign trail. donald trump is set to appear in a town hall discussion on fox news in a few hours' time. and the former president's main competitor, florida governor ron desantis was in new hampshire today campaigning. let's talk about those pictures. they will not be very welcome as the campaign kicks off, and after one, you are want to see them, i hope, the white house keen to point out that president biden is fine, but he is 80 years old and he is about to embark on a brutal campaign to win reelection. ~ , ,., , embark on a brutal campaign to win reelection. ~ , , ~ reelection. absolutely. and president — reelection. absolutely. and president trump _ reelection. absolutely. and president trump is - reelection. absolutely. and president trump is also i reelection. absolutely. and i president trump is also getting up there _ president trump is also getting up there in— president trump is also getting up there in age, and i think it is something that voters need to think about— something that voters need to think about as _ something that voters need to think about as they had to the polls in 2024 _ about as they had to the polls in 2024 posted what is the next four

years _ 2024 posted what is the next four years going to look like? not only politically— years going to look like? not only politically policy wise, but longevity for the person who is in charge _ longevity for the person who is in charge of— longevity for the person who is in charge of the free world, in charge of one _ charge of the free world, in charge of one of— charge of the free world, in charge of one of the largest economies in the world. — of one of the largest economies in the world, the united states, so it is definitely a concern and this will not — is definitely a concern and this will not be the last we see those photos. — will not be the last we see those photos, and a video of him falling. i photos, and a video of him falling. i am _ photos, and a video of him falling. i am sure — photos, and a video of him falling. i am sure it — photos, and a video of him falling. i am sure it will be used pretty cruelly— i am sure it will be used pretty cruelty by— i am sure it will be used pretty cruelly by republicans in advertisements against his age, so, yeah. _ advertisements against his age, so, yeah. i_ advertisements against his age, so, yeah, i believe you'll see more of that to. _ yeah, i believe you'll see more of that to, unfortunately.— yeah, i believe you'll see more of that to, unfortunately. and, jim, we know that on — that to, unfortunately. and, jim, we know that on a _ that to, unfortunately. and, jim, we know that on a campaign _ that to, unfortunately. and, jim, we know that on a campaign trail, i know that on a campaign trail, image is everything. this is not a great image, is it? it is everything. this is not a great image. is it?— image, is it? it is not. ithink it would have _ image, is it? it is not. ithink it would have been _ image, is it? it is not. ithink it would have been more - image, is it? it is not. ithink it would have been more painful| image, is it? it is not. ithink it. would have been more painful as image, is it? it is not. ithink it- would have been more painful as an image of the debt ceiling had not been passed yesterday. and therefore it would be a monadic of a feeling presidency and the country in demise! and monadic. personally looking at that the thing i find most unsettling is that a grown man in a suit wears a baseball cap! that has got to be something that people should want to play on and the snoop

—— on an endless loop as welcome as a coming inspection. as a country with lots of people willing to look the other way at the multiplicity of allegations because the former president of and would be the reelected president, i find that it is fascinating to see how much of a bigger faux find that it is fascinating to see how much of a biggerfaux pas falling over a sandbagging is than saying and doing many of the things that donald trump has been prone to be involved in.— be involved in. president trump of course also _ be involved in. president trump of course also fond _ be involved in. president trump of course also fond of _ be involved in. president trump of course also fond of his _ be involved in. president trump of course also fond of his red - be involved in. president trump of| course also fond of his red baseball cap, it is probably worth for mining people? and speaking of image and reputation, we know ron desantis had that pretty disastrous launch on twitter last week, when the tech problems got the better of him. he is out on the campaign trail, he has been stepping up his attacks on president trump, hasn't he? and so many different issues that he has been talking about, maura. he has

been talking about, maura. he has been very critical of the immigration, covid policy, federal spending, suggesting that president trump has drifted away from his conservative principles. does that have any basis in reality? where will he attacked president trump, because we know president trump is still way ahead in the polls? i think those areas, we are already seeing _ think those areas, we are already seeing him — think those areas, we are already seeing him target and tout how great he did _ seeing him target and tout how great he did in— seeing him target and tout how great he did in florida, the fact that the entire _ he did in florida, the fact that the entire trump family moved to florida — entire trump family moved to florida. he has certainly been talking — florida. he has certainly been talking about that a lot, but one of things— talking about that a lot, but one of things we — talking about that a lot, but one of things we will see play out with ron desantis _ things we will see play out with ron desantis and also chris christie when _ desantis and also chris christie when he — desantis and also chris christie when he announces, he will probably come _ when he announces, he will probably come out _ when he announces, he will probably come out and similar tactic, is citing — come out and similar tactic, is citing the _ come out and similar tactic, is citing the fact that republicans have _ citing the fact that republicans have lost because of president trump and that— have lost because of president trump and that is— have lost because of president trump and that is something that the former— and that is something that the former president does not want to be associated _ former president does not want to be associated with, his name or his brand. _ associated with, his name or his brand. with _ associated with, his name or his brand, with losing, and practically he has _ brand, with losing, and practically he has been the cause of the public and losing — he has been the cause of the public and losing a great deal in the last few elections. —— republicans

losing — few elections. —— republicans losing i— few elections. —— republicans losing. i expect to see a lot of losing. ! expect to see a lot of that— losing. i expect to see a lot of that from _ losing. i expect to see a lot of that from ron desantis but also others. — that from ron desantis but also others, like chris christie and others — others, like chris christie and others coming to the race. mike pence set _ others coming to the race. mike pence set to _ others coming to the race. mike pence set to announce - others coming to the race. mike pence set to announce his i others coming to the race. ij�*i «1s pence set to announce his intention to run on wednesday. we learned that yesterday. lining up all of his policy and plans. it is a really crowded race, but the pencil and is interesting, because it puts them head to head with his former boss? absolutely. it is going to be interesting to see. if all of these people _ interesting to see. if all of these people end up on the same stage, get your popcorn ready, it is going to be pretty— your popcorn ready, it is going to be pretty attaining. but to me it is also a _ be pretty attaining. but to me it is also a positive to see them going against _ also a positive to see them going against trump, who in navy years prior— against trump, who in navy years prior had — against trump, who in navy years prior had been tossing and supporting president trump, and now they're _ supporting president trump, and now they're going after him as an opponent and saying he is not fit to serve _ opponent and saying he is not fit to serve and _ opponent and saying he is not fit to serve and here is why, so to me it is actually— serve and here is why, so to me it is actually pretty positive to see them _ is actually pretty positive to see them push back on him in this way. we are _ them push back on him in this way. we are going to talk now about one quite a motive issue and that is the price of property.

house prices have fallen at their fastest annual rate in nearly 14 years, according to britain's biggest building society. nationwide said prices in the year to may fell by 3.4%, the biggest drop sincejuly 2009. it also warned that further increases in interest rates could hit the housing market. jim, head of an election year, no one want to be talking about falling house prices, do they? trio. one want to be talking about falling house prices, do they?— house prices, do they? no, they don't stop _ house prices, do they? no, they don't stop there _ house prices, do they? no, they don't stop there is _ house prices, do they? no, they don't stop there is nothing i house prices, do they? no, they don't stop there is nothing asail house prices, do they? no, they. don't stop there is nothing asai at the that catches people quite as much as the value as their home —— there is nothing in the british society that catches people. in the last 30 years, house prices have consistently accelerated, and now we are seeing what looks like a very savage fall in house prices, so i think going into the next election, i think what the labour party will probably do here in the uk is simply say to the voters, do you and your family feel better off now than you did 13 years ago? and this house

price point, alongside the very high energy prices, i think will lead to a really significant impact in the terms of debate in the upcoming election. more portly, the real —— more portly, some peoplejust when to afford these increased interest rates. they will have to move out, sell their homes at a time when they would be getting a 14 year low in the value of their home, so this is a terrible news story for very many people in britain. brute this is a terrible news story for very many people in britain. we were heafina very many people in britain. we were hearing earlier _ very many people in britain. we were hearing earlier as _ very many people in britain. we were hearing earlier as well, _ very many people in britain. we were hearing earlier as well, it _ very many people in britain. we were hearing earlier as well, it is _ hearing earlier as well, it is not just those on the property ladder but those who are renting as well. rental prices are through the roof right now. maura, there were other things at play in the us property market, and dig variations where house prices are rising and falling. i was looking at the numbers, and in miami in florida, house prices doing pretty well and that is because a lot of people moved there in the

pandemic. lot of people moved there in the pandemic-— lot of people moved there in the pandemic. lot of people moved there in the andemic. ~ , . ., ., pandemic. absolutely. we saw a lot of --eole pandemic. absolutely. we saw a lot of people move _ pandemic. absolutely. we saw a lot of people move out _ pandemic. absolutely. we saw a lot of people move out of _ pandemic. absolutely. we saw a lot of people move out of the - pandemic. absolutely. we saw a lot of people move out of the cities, i of people move out of the cities, into places — of people move out of the cities, into places like florida, to get away — into places like florida, to get away from being cooped up in the pandemic. — away from being cooped up in the pandemic, and i am currently in new jersey. _ pandemic, and i am currently in new jersey. and _ pandemic, and i am currently in new jersey, and prices here for housing are pretty— jersey, and prices here for housing are pretty high, pretty astronomical, to be quite frank, and i astronomical, to be quite frank, and i don't _ astronomical, to be quite frank, and i don't see _ astronomical, to be quite frank, and i don't see that that is going to shift _ idon't see that that is going to shift to— i don't see that that is going to shift to drastically any time soon, but maybe — shift to drastically any time soon, but maybe in some places. especially in places— but maybe in some places. especially in places like washington, dc, apartment rental rates, rental rates are still— apartment rental rates, rental rates are still pretty high, and what we are still pretty high, and what we are seeing — are still pretty high, and what we are seeing people moving out of the cities _ are seeing people moving out of the cities and _ are seeing people moving out of the cities and wrenches staying high. and in— cities and wrenches staying high. and in the — cities and wrenches staying high. and in the uk, is usually a problem because recently not building of houses to cater for further demand, but what does the white house say about housing policy in the us? it is less about supply, there are other issues at play?— is less about supply, there are other issues at play? there are supply-chain — other issues at play? there are supply-chain issues, _ other issues at play? there are i supply-chain issues, manufacturing supply—chain issues, manufacturing and getting things prepared. for a

lon- and getting things prepared. for a longtime — and getting things prepared. for a long time lumber was an issue. two summers _ long time lumber was an issue. two summers ago we had a huge lumber shortage. that was playing a big part. _ shortage. that was playing a big part. and — shortage. that was playing a big part. and in some of this stuff that was happening during the pandemic, we did _ was happening during the pandemic, we did not— was happening during the pandemic, we did not feel it right away, and it took— we did not feel it right away, and it took gradual time for us to feel it. and _ it took gradual time for us to feel it. and we — it took gradual time for us to feel it, and we are still kind of in that mode _ it, and we are still kind of in that mode where we are feeling the repercussions of the shortages that we stopped during the pandemic erect. _ we stopped during the pandemic erect, and we have not come up yet in terms _ erect, and we have not come up yet in terms of— erect, and we have not come up yet in terms of where we are, back to where _ in terms of where we are, back to where we — in terms of where we are, back to where we were before the pandemic. this is— where we were before the pandemic. this is not— where we were before the pandemic. this is notjust a conservative issue. successive governments have not built enough houses and that is why demand is outstripping supply. i think that is a very fair point. one of the things that keir starmer, the labour party leader, said recently as they are going to be on the side of the builders and on the blockers. let us see if labour delivers on that. it is important they do. the final point is i would say simultaneously house prices are too high and too low. they are too high

for many people to buy and now increasingly too low for many people to want to sell, and that is a perfect storm in the property market. . ~ perfect storm in the property market. ., ,, , ., ., perfect storm in the property market. . ~' ., perfect storm in the property market. ., ,, ., ., market. thank you to you both for now. we market. thank you to you both for now- we will _ market. thank you to you both for now. we will talk _ market. thank you to you both for now. we will talk some _ market. thank you to you both for now. we will talk some more i market. thank you to you both for now. we will talk some more in i market. thank you to you both for i now. we will talk some more in just now. we will talk some more injust a few moments, butjust to say you're watching the context on bbc news. see you soon. hello there. there's no rain in the forecast for the next few days, and the first day of meteorological summer got off to a sparkling start here in eastbourne, in east sussex. many parts of the country saw the sunshine coming through, but not everywhere. some eastern areas of scotland and eastern england stayed cloudy and as a result quite a bit cooler as well. but we should see more sunshine developing across more of the country tomorrow because drier air is going to be coming in from off the north sea. at the moment, though, what's happening overnight is the cloud that we've had in eastern areas is going to push back inland across england and wales, but it's quite thin cloud.

for scotland and northern ireland, this is where it's going to be clearer, but it's going to be eastern scotland that will be quite chilly. 2—3 degrees here, otherwise about eight degrees first thing on friday morning. and it could be quite a cloudy start for england and wales, but this time the cloud is thinner. so it's going to break up more readily, and we'll get more sunshine developing more widely across the uk. just a bit of patchy cloud hugging some of these north sea coasts. now, for many, the winds will be light, but it's still going to be pretty breezy across the south—east through the english channel. noticeably breezy in these areas, so a little bit cooler, perhaps. and with the wind off the north sea, right on the coast, it will be cooler. but with sunny skies developing in most places, then those temperatures more widely will be reaching a pleasant 20—21 degrees. but uv level�*s going to be high right the way across the country, all the way from the shetland isles down into the channel islands. now if you're wondering where all the rain's gone, it's really across southern parts of europe. it stays wet and thundery in places cos high pressure that's been

keeping it dry still sitting over the uk. still got some stronger winds across the south and south—east. otherwise the winds are light. on saturday, we could see more cloud coming into the far north of scotland, so a little bit cooler here. but otherwise, lots of sunshine around again on saturday. those temperatures creeping up a little bit, up to around 22—23 degrees. and the glorious weekend continues for many areas with sunny skies. but there's more cloud notjust in northern scotland, rolling down the north sea, perhaps hugging some of these north sea coasts, particularly in the north—east of england. so, again, a little bit cooler here, but otherwise, those temperatures gradually getting up to 23 or even 24 celsius.

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