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we start with breaking news from india — and 288 people are now known to have died in a train crash that happened last night. in the hour, prime minister narendra modi visited the site in the eastern state of odisha. mr modi visited the crash site and injured passenters being treated in hospital — and said no—one responsible for the crash would be spared. more than a thousand people have been injured. it is already the country's worst train crash this century. three trains were involved in the collision — which all began when a passenger train derailed. our south asia correspondent, yogita limaye, reports. daylight revealed the scale of the disaster. this wreckage, now intertwined, belongs to three trains. on friday evening the coromandel express ferrying more than 1,000 passengers crashed into a freight train standing on the same track. its coaches overturned,
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hitting another sleeper coming in from the opposite side, leaving a pile—up not seen in decades. through the night rescue teams had worked pulling out people. "give him oxygen," they shouted, carrying one of the survivors to an ambulance. it took hours to get through to those trapped inside. ritik kumar survived the crash but his friend was killed. "he was sitting in his seat and i was standing by the door. when the collision happened i thought he would have escaped but he got crushed. i pulled him out but he didn't survive," he said. many of the seriously injured were brought to this hospital in cuttack about three hours away.
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at the scb medical college we have admitted 150 people and still people are pouring in and there are people in the icu ward and also in the casualty, so we are putting our best effort, but it's so unfortunate that so many people have lost their life. india's prime minister narendra modi visited the accident site. his government has promised an inquiry into what went wrong. there are many tough questions to answer. yogita limaye, bbc news, mumbai. amidst the tragic incident, hospitals in balasore are grappling with an influx of casualties, as bbc correspondent, archana shukla reports now from the scene. like every 30 minutes an ambulance like this comes into this hospital here in cuttack, which is the state's biggest hospital, ferrying in critically injured passengers from the accident site. this is still three hours drive from the accident site where last night three trains,
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two passenger trains and a goods train were involved in a crash that led to more than 1000 passengers being injured and many hundreds and dozens dying. we are told since last night, nearly 200 critically injured passengers have been brought into this hospital. the staff, the medical teams here, are ready to take on the injured and provide them with medical care as quickly as possible. the site here is one of despair, distress and of chaos. authorities are trying to organize the crowds so that the medical teams can reach to the injured as quickly as they are brought in. but there are people who are looking for their family members, some of them distressed, not knowing the conditions of those who are already here, reached and getting the care. many people we've met here are also looking for their family members, not knowing which hospital they have been brought to. some of them either critically ill have been brought in here, but they are still looking for their whereabouts.
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this is one of the deadliest train accidents that india has seen in decades, and the numbers are only on the rise, both on the casualty side and of those injured. and a lot of questions that the government and the central ministry will have to answer. let's speak to our news correspondent divya arya who's in delhi. 288 people have died, what other updates can you give us? the prime minister is returning _ updates can you give us? the prime minister is returning after _ updates can you give us? the prime minister is returning after making i updates can you give us? the prime minister is returning after making a| minister is returning after making a visit to the disaster site and the hospital, visiting the injured, but when he spoke to the media he did not have information to offer in terms of the causes of the accident. he was accompanied by the railway minister but at the moment of the most we have heard from the government is that there might be technical reasons which led to the accident and they could range from signalfailure to a accident and they could range from signal failure to a communication failure between the drivers of the
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trains when they collided. as night descends there is going to be a focus on helping relatives find their loved ones in the hospitals and we heard from our reporter who is in the biggest hospital in 0disha, and there is overcrowding, and we have heard from others in other areas where some of the rescued passengers have been taken, there is a huge rush at the airport and at stations as they try to find out whether their loved ones have arrived or are being treated in hospital or have met the worst fate. is the focus on the recovery or the causes of the accident? the rescue o eration causes of the accident? the rescue operation is _ causes of the accident? the rescue operation is complete _ causes of the accident? the rescue operation is complete according . causes of the accident? the rescue operation is complete according to | operation is complete according to the railway ministry so we are now focusing on the restoration of normal railway traffic on the tracks and the tracks of course need repairing and clearing and 17
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coaches were derailed in the collision and they were strewn on the tracks as the pictures showed. it would be a difficult and time—consuming task to clear the tracks and then restore the traffic. it is a very heavy route which links calcutta in the east to chan i in the south. —— chen i. 50 trains were cancelled since the collision yesterday and 50 have been diverted and those pile—ups are only expected to increase in the coming days as the restoration work goes on. clearly the accident is particularly horrendous about how common are accidents on the indian railway network? we accidents on the indian railway network? ~ ., ., ., accidents on the indian railway network? ., ., ., ., , network? we have one of the largest railway networks _ network? we have one of the largest railway networks and _ network? we have one of the largest railway networks and it _ network? we have one of the largest railway networks and it dates - network? we have one of the largest railway networks and it dates back. railway networks and it dates back even before india was independent and it is very extensive and it links different geographical terrains and crisscrosses the whole country, and accidents are not rare but big accidents are once in a
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decade, and concerns around safety have been raised time and again because smaller accidents are quite frequent. there is an anti—collision mechanism the government has been talking about and working on in the past few years but it still has not been rolled out in most of the train network and has only been tried in small batches and was not in place in these trains. until that mechanism is in place and tried and implemented, trainjourneys continue implemented, train journeys continue to implemented, trainjourneys continue to be risky in india. implemented, train “ourneys continue to be risky in india.— to be risky in india. thank you for the undate- _ to be risky in india. thank you for the update. thanks _ to be risky in india. thank you for the update. thanks for _ to be risky in india. thank you for the update. thanks forjoining - to be risky in india. thank you for| the update. thanks forjoining us. the israeli army has said that three of its soldiers were killed this morning in an incident near the southern border with egypt. the army says there was a further exchange of fire in the area several hours later in which the suspected gunman was killed. an israeli army spokesman has said the two soldiers —
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one male and one female — began a guard shift at an army post on the border late on friday night. after they could not be contacted, an officer went looking for them and found them dead at the scene. live now to bbc arabic correspondent sally nabil — who's in cairo. what do you understand to have happened?— happened? this is a very rare incident over _ happened? this is a very rare incident over the _ happened? this is a very rare incident over the past - happened? this is a very rare incident over the past few - happened? this is a very rare - incident over the past few decades, since egypt signed a peace treaty with israel in the late 19705, and things have been quite peaceful between the countries and the border area has been pretty quiet. this incident raises a lot of eyebrows actually, because it rarely happens. the version of the story we are getting from the egyptian army came after many hours, saying that three israeli soldiers were killed and two others were injured, and it put it
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in the context of a drug smuggling campaign thatan in the context of a drug smuggling campaign that an egyptian security personnel wa5 campaign that an egyptian security personnel was trying to chase and he per5onnel was trying to chase and he crossed into the israeli side of the border and there was an exchange of fire that followed and an egyptian security personnel also lost his life as well as three israelis and two others were injured. to be put in the wider context of a wider cha5e between egyptian security personnel and a group of drug smugglers. but many people on social media say there might be other 5ides media say there might be other sides of the story we have not heard about yet. they accuse the egyptian army of leaving the egyptian public in the dark for many hours and it came out with a statement that was vaguely worded.— out with a statement that was vaguely worded. sally, thanks for “oininu vaguely worded. sally, thanks for joining us- _ vaguely worded. sally, thanks for joining us. that _ vaguely worded. sally, thanks for joining us. that is _ vaguely worded. sally, thanks for joining us. that is our— vaguely worded. sally, thanks for joining us. that is our bbc- vaguely worded. sally, thanks for joining us. that is our bbc arabic| joining us. that is our bbc arabic correspondence. —— correspondent.
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here in the uk, train drivers have 5taged another walk out. the industrial action will di5rupt tens of thousands ofjourneys in england, wales and scotland. it's estimated that up to 60% of trains won't run. the walk out coincides with a number of sporting and music events, including the fa cup final. two protester5 have been arrested as they attempted to disrupt the epsom derby. earlier 19 people were arrested in connection with plans to dirupt the derby. animal right5 campaigners had been threatening to defy a court order, banning di5ruptive protest5. earlier, i spoke to our correspondent a charlotte gallagher who was at the racecourse at epsom. the large—scale prote5t5 organisers had feared did not happen and it was pretty uneventful, apart from the racing. there was one person who made it onto the track and animal rising say it is one of their supporters, they got onto the track when the race was running so the horses were coming down the track, this person got
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onto the track but stewards bundled them off before the horses could get there because obviously that would have been a complete catastrophe. the security has been really tight. i have never seen police lining the track for a horse race but police were dotted all around the course for the derby and there has been stewards everywhere and even men arriving in top hats have had to take them off, so people could check they were not hiding anything, but i'm sure organisers will be pleased it went off e55entially without a hitch, a minor hitch with one person on the track. the race itself, the epsom derby, it is to flat racing what the grand national is to jump racing, a huge event. it was won by auguste rodin. aidan 0'brien with his ninth win in the epsom derby, and the jockey ryan moore with his third win at the epsom derby.
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much racing in the following not much of a rest for ryan moore because he was actually racing in the following race. it was the last epsom derby for frankie dettori but sadly he did not make it but he looked pretty happy at the end after what has been an absolutely amazing career. and still more racing this afternoon. the police and stewards seem to be staying in case there are any more protest5. few people know the power of television te5timony like phillip schofield. for more than a0 year5 television te5timony like phillip schofield. for more than a0 years he has been central to our national life but last week he left his job on this morning on itv amid a blaze of headlines and allegations. schofield has now admitted that he had an unwise but not illegal relationship with a younger member of staff on the programme and the younger man was 15 when they met but
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20, schofield says, when the relationship became sexual, and in the past week there has been an avalanche of newspaper stories and social media speculation and abuse. now, phillip schofield wants to tell his side of the story and i want to ask him some questions on your behalf. you have had quite a week. how are you? it's like a weird... ..numbness.
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do the newspapers everything that there is a person at the other end? so here i am. you feel strong enough to do this interview? yeah, i have to. why? why do you want to do this interview? because there is an innocent person here who didn't do anything wrong. let me say, you know, a lot of my questions are going to be uncomfortable and, let's face it, intrusive. but you've chosen this opportunity to tell your side of the story. and there are questions
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that your viewers, all the people who supported you over the years — including your family — will want answers to. there's also, of course, lots of questions for itv in all this. you mentioned this young man, and at the centre of recent events is a young man who, together with many others in the media, we're not going to name. under article 8 of the human rights act, he has a right to privacy, and he's not here today to give his own account of events. when did you last speak to him? um... as i engaged the lawyerfor him. um... so...he needed independent support. and so that was the last time. is that if you is that a few weeks ago now? yes. where did you first meet this young man in question? what were the circumstances? i was invited by a friend of mine to go to open a drama school. and that's where the picture was taken. whether it was immediately or sometime after he said, "will you follow him on twitter? because he's a fan."
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so i said, "yeah, sure, no problem." which i did. and he was, what, 15 at the time? yeah. i follow 11,300 people. and in all the time i've been on twitter, there has never been any whiff of impropriety. and how often were you in touch with him? hardly — hardly at all. and that was it for a while. and then... ..he... ..asked if he could... ..visit the studios, work—experience type of thing. i said, well, come down and have a look — for sure. which he did. how old was he when he first said to you "i'm interested in television"? was he 18 by that point? 19, then, i would think.
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19 by then. and then he asked if he could visit the studios, work experience type of thing. i said, "come down, have a look, for sure," which he did. when you look back now... if you were to look back at those messages now, is there any sense in which you were flirting with him? no. i've been a1 years in television. you know, nothing like this before — you know, no accusations. i mean, this is... this is all, you know, accusations.
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so to be absolutely clear, how old was this young man when you first had any kind of sexual contact with him? 20. let me ask you, did you have any kind of sexual relationship or sex with him when he was underage? no, god, no. i think that is, you know, in my statement, it says, you know, consensual relationship, fully legal. i mean, that was approved by both sides. you know, that's. .. no, no. he is then 20 and having work experience. he
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he is then 20 and having work exnerience-— he is then 20 and having work exerience. ., ., , experience. he came in for a visit and he was _ experience. he came in for a visit and he was going _ experience. he came in for a visit and he was going to _ experience. he came in for a visit and he was going to be _ experience. he came in for a visit and he was going to be picked - experience. he came in for a visit and he was going to be picked up| experience. he came in for a visit - and he was going to be picked up and i was worried he might be on his own. i said, i was worried he might be on his own. isaid, let's i was worried he might be on his own. i said, let's have a bite to eat. it was not a meal, just waiting for someone to pick him up. it was just, don't go out there on your own. fist just, don't go out there on your own. �* ., just, don't go out there on your own. ~ ., ,., just, don't go out there on your own. ~ ., _, just, don't go out there on your own. ~ ., ,, ., own. at that point you were not in an kind own. at that point you were not in any kind of— own. at that point you were not in any kind of relationship? - own. at that point you were not in any kind of relationship? no. - own. at that point you were not in any kind of relationship? no. god| any kind of relationship? no. god no. how any kind of relationship? no. god no- how long _ any kind of relationship? no. god no. how long after _ any kind of relationship? no. god no. how long after that _ any kind of relationship? no. god no. how long after that was - any kind of relationship? no. god no. how long after that was it - any kind of relationship? no. god| no. how long after that was it you had the beginnings _ no. how long after that was it you had the beginnings of _ no. how long after that was it you had the beginnings of a _ no. how long after that was it you had the beginnings of a sexual- had the beginnings of a sexual relationship with him? he had the beginnings of a sexual relationship with him?- had the beginnings of a sexual relationship with him? he had been workin: at relationship with him? he had been working at the _ relationship with him? he had been working at the show _ relationship with him? he had been working at the show for _ relationship with him? he had been working at the show for a _ relationship with him? he had been working at the show for a few - working at the show for a few months. and we have become mates. we were mates. you hang out with each other, that kind of stuff. and then in my dressing room one day... ..something happened.
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which, you know, obviously, i will... ..regret foreverfor him and for me — mostly him. but it... that happened maybe four or five times over the next few months. and, i know it's... ..unforgivable. um, but we weren't boyfriends, we weren't in a relationship. i was really in a mess with my own sexuality at the time. and it just happened. how old was he at this stage? 20,21.
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how else will you trying to help him, did you help him in terms of getting a show reel or meeting people? i getting a show reel or meeting --eole? , ., getting a show reel or meeting . eo . le? , ., , people? i helped him, and this might have been before _ people? i helped him, and this might have been before there _ people? i helped him, and this might have been before there had _ people? i helped him, and this might have been before there had been - people? i helped him, and this might have been before there had been any| have been before there had been any contact. i helped him put a show reel together.— contact. i helped him put a show reel together. after he gets work exoerience- -- _ reel together. after he gets work experience... he _ reel together. after he gets work experience... he was _ reel together. after he gets work experience... he was then - reel together. after he gets work experience... he was then given | reel together. after he gets work| experience... he was then given a 'ob on experience... he was then given a job on his — experience... he was then given a job on his own _ experience... he was then given a job on his own merit _ experience... he was then given a job on his own merit because - experience... he was then given a job on his own merit because he l experience... he was then given a i job on his own merit because he was very good. very good at his job. everybody loved him. and worked very, very hard. it is everybody loved him. and worked very. very hard-— very, very hard. it is clear from the testimony _ very, very hard. it is clear from the testimony that _ very, very hard. it is clear from the testimony that he - very, very hard. it is clear from the testimony that he is - very, very hard. it is clear from the testimony that he is hugely talented and capable. massively talented. talented and capable. massively talented- if _ talented and capable. massively talented. if we _ talented and capable. massively talented. if we go _ talented and capable. massively talented. if we go back, - talented and capable. massively| talented. if we go back, because talented and capable. massively - talented. if we go back, because you were specific— talented. if we go back, because you were specific in _ talented. if we go back, because you were specific in your _ talented. if we go back, because you were specific in your wording - talented. if we go back, because you were specific in your wording in - were specific in your wording in your statement about how the relationship was unwise but not illegal. the question is of legality centring around your relationship with him before he was 18, the relationship when you met him when
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he was 15 and then when he was 18, it was occasional direct messages, no pictures sent to each other? you would say that was not really flirtatious?— would say that was not really flirtatious? just work related. career advice. _ flirtatious? just work related. career advice. no _ flirtatious? just work related. career advice. no sexual - career advice. no sexual forwardness? _ career advice. no sexual forwardness? 0k. - how long before it became sexual? it probably happened five, baby six times, but nothing more than that. when did the relationship and and why? —— and and why? —— end and why? i was why? —— and and why? —— end and why? iwas in why? —— and and why? —— end and why? i was in a poor mental state with my own sexuality. i thought that was
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bad, but nothing like this. itjust drifted. we have still stayed mates, we are still mates. we still stay friendly. i got him work. you are living in london and you are struggling. i got him jobs as a runner on other shows because he was a very good runner. and a mate, and someone that you know, it is always nice to have a team of people around you that you know. did nice to have a team of people around you that you know.— you that you know. did you ever tell holly willoughby? _ you that you know. did you ever tell holly willoughby? god, _ you that you know. did you ever tell holly willoughby? god, no. - you that you know. did you ever tell holly willoughby? god, no. that - you that you know. did you ever tell holly willoughby? god, no. that is| you that you know. did you ever tell| holly willoughby? god, no. that is a bi aer holly willoughby? god, no. that is a bigger question _ holly willoughby? god, no. that is a bigger question because _ holly willoughby? god, no. that is a bigger question because our - holly willoughby? god, no. that is a| bigger question because our dressing room is a sanctuary and you tell everything in that room, she knows everything in that room, she knows everything about me and i know everything about me and i know everything about me and i know everything about her, and when the door is closed, that is the
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sanctuary. it is a wonderful environment and something i will miss deeply. i don't know if she asked me, buti miss deeply. i don't know if she asked me, but i would have denied it. she did not know. nobody knew. this has been a cataclysm of the lie, it starts in a denial, no, gosh... not at all. and then the rumour came out, the rumour started. and then you light, you have had a workplace fling, and you lie about it. —— and then you lie. there is a big age gap but that happens in life as well. they have been rumours for
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years and years— years and years about not only whether or _ years and years about not only whether or not _ years and years about not only whether or not you _ years and years about not only whether or not you were - years and years about not only whether or not you were gay i years and years about not only i whether or not you were gay but years and years about not only - whether or not you were gay but also about your relationship with this particular young man. so did anyone on the team ask whether you were gay or in a relationship with this young man? ., ,., , or in a relationship with this young man? ., , ., ., man? nobody ever asked me about bein: aa . man? nobody ever asked me about being gay- people _ man? nobody ever asked me about being gay. people asked _ man? nobody ever asked me about being gay. people asked you - man? nobody ever asked me about being gay. people asked you about| being gay. people asked you about bein: in a being gay. people asked you about being in a relationship _ being gay. people asked you about being in a relationship with - being gay. people asked you about being in a relationship with this - being in a relationship with this young man?— being in a relationship with this ouna man? ~ ., ., young man? when the rumour got bi cer, young man? when the rumour got bigger. we — young man? when the rumour got bigger. we were — young man? when the rumour got bigger, we were both _ young man? when the rumour got bigger, we were both asked. - young man? when the rumour got i bigger, we were both asked. people would sa , bigger, we were both asked. people would say. the _ bigger, we were both asked. people would say, the circumstances - bigger, we were both asked. people would say, the circumstances are i bigger, we were both asked. people would say, the circumstances are as follows, you met someone who is a child, you were in a position of power over them, you use your power to give them something they create, a chance at a position in the media, you nurture the relationship and the relationship became sexual, they would say what is the difference between that and grooming. the initial list of — between that and grooming. tue: initial list of things between that and grooming. tt;e: initial list of things is between that and grooming. t"t9 initial list of things is not between that and grooming. tt9: initial list of things is not right anyway. initial list of things is not right an a . ~ initial list of things is not right anyway-- it _ initial list of things is not right anyway-- it was - initial list of things is not right anyway.- it was a - initial list of things is not right anyway.- it was a totally | anyway. why? it was a totally innocent pitcher _ anyway. why? it was a totally innocent pitcher and - anyway. why? it was a totally innocent pitcher and twitter l innocent pitcher and twitter follower of which i follow 11,a00
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people, and then it was a completely innocent backwards and forwards over a period of time about a job and about careers. what is wrong with that? does that mean if you are following anybody on twitter, that you don't give advice? i disagree with the summation that you just gave because that paints a very grave picture. 50 gave because that paints a very grave picture-— gave because that paints a very grave picture. gave because that paints a very rave icture. , ., grave picture. so why do you say it was unwise? _ grave picture. so why do you say it was unwise? you _ grave picture. so why do you say it was unwise? you are _ grave picture. so why do you say it was unwise? you are clearly - was unwise? you are clearly sensitive to the power differential and you are mindful of the dangers of abuse. the and you are mindful of the dangers of abuse. �* ., .. ., , of abuse. the brive communications backwards and _ of abuse. the brive communications backwards and forwards, _ of abuse. the brive communications backwards and forwards, up - of abuse. the brive communications backwards and forwards, up to - of abuse. the brive communications backwards and forwards, up to the l backwards and forwards, up to the point that he came to work on the show, i think it was just chat —— the brief medications. what was unwise was the fact that it happened. and that was a very, very
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grave error. now, it was consensual, but it was my fault.— grave error. now, it was consensual, but it was my fault. whig? because i but it was my fault. why? because i should not have _ but it was my fault. why? because i should not have done _ but it was my fault. why? because i should not have done it. _ but it was my fault. why? because i should not have done it. he - but it was my fault. why? because i should not have done it. he is an innocent party and i appreciate and you have a moment, just a moment, but he is entirely innocent. although it was consensual, i was older, i should although it was consensual, i was older, ishould have although it was consensual, i was older, i should have known better. i should not have done it. iloathed should not have done it. what specifically — should not have done it. what specifically do _ should not have done it. what specifically do you _ should not have done it. what specifically do you feel - should not have done it. what specifically do you feel that i should not have done it. what specifically do you feel that you did that was wrong? t... specifically do you feel that you did that was wrong?— did that was wrong? i... kissed someone _ did that was wrong? i... kissed someone in _ did that was wrong? i... kissed someone in the _ did that was wrong? i... kissed someone in the workplace - did that was wrong? i... kissed | someone in the workplace which did that was wrong? i... kissed - someone in the workplace which led onto a little bit more. and that, retrospectively, of course, you think, my friends have said, what the hell were you thinking? you have
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never done that, they said. and i think, there is no excuse. there are no excuses. it is my fault. but i think the fact that perhaps i was trying to come to terms with who i was and what i was going to do about it. the effects it would have. i think that's probably the reason. and do you feel — just listening to how you talk about it — do you feel that what was morally wrong about it was that it involved an abuse of power, because you were an older guy who had more power than him? 0bviously, that criticism has been levelled at me, but... well, i've never done that in my whole life.
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i've never abused my power anywhere. i'm not a bully. i don't — i mean, there are... god, you read the things that you're supposed to be. you know, i don't lord it around tv studios. everyone is a friend. most of the messages are from people that i work with who say, we love working with you. i snapped once, around about the time i snapped at one of our producers. after the meeting i got up and went to her and apologise. it is not me. i am not rude on the studio floor. i do not bully people and laud it over people, we are all on one level. that has been the important thing for me in a1 years of television. ican i can see how extremely continue of the welfare of this man. did i can see how extremely continue of the welfare of this man.— the welfare of this man. did you love him? _ the welfare of this man. did you love him? no, _ the welfare of this man. did you love him? no, we _ the welfare of this man. did you love him? no, we were - the welfare of this man. did you love him? no, we werejust- the welfare of this man. did you .
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love him? no, we werejust mates. the welfare of this man. did you - love him? no, we werejust mates. do love him? no, we were 'ust mates. do ou know love him? no, we were 'ust mates. do you know if— love him? no, we were 'ust mates. do you know if he _ love him? no, we were 'ust mates. do you know if he signed — love him? no, we were 'ust mates. do you know if he signed a — you know if he signed a nondisclosure agreement, preventing it from speaking? tia. nondisclosure agreement, preventing it from speaking?— it from speaking? no. i was asked that earlier _ it from speaking? no. i was asked that earlier on, _ it from speaking? no. i was asked that earlier on, did _ it from speaking? no. i was asked that earlier on, did i _ it from speaking? no. i was asked that earlier on, did i make - it from speaking? no. i was asked that earlier on, did i make him - it from speaking? no. i was asked. that earlier on, did i make him sign a no disclosure agreement? the iuestion a no disclosure agreement? the question is. _ a no disclosure agreement? the question is, was _ a no disclosure agreement? the question is, was he ever paid off, was he paid for a silent? god, no. is he free to speak, if he wants to? yes. what he wants is for all of this to go away. he wants a quiet life, he didn't want any of this to happen in the first place and i'm sure he completely regrets it. it was my fault, so he has nothing to regret, because it was my fault. has there ever been, or is there, an injunction or any nda agreement to prevent his speaking out? itirui’heh injunction or any nda agreement to prevent his speaking out? when the rumour started _ prevent his speaking out? when the rumour started and _ prevent his speaking out? when the rumour started and when _ prevent his speaking out? when the rumour started and when it - prevent his speaking out? when the rumour started and when it came i prevent his speaking out? when the rumour started and when it came to | rumour started and when it came to light, obviously both of us thought what the hell is this as i don't
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know, i don't know. i said, what the hell is this as i don't know, i don't know. isaid, it what the hell is this as i don't know, i don't know. i said, it will go away. i'm sure it will go away. and then it started to grow legs and it got bigger and bigger. it was said there was a super injunction, it was said. i had got him fired, or moved on, all completely untrue. you work in television, you know the way the process works. you cannot have someone moved on without it going through a whole team of people. the liner command. why would this happen? i actually spoke to him the night before, or texted, happen? i actually spoke to him the night before, ortexted, eitherthe night before, ortexted, eitherthe night before, ortexted, eitherthe night before or the morning i came out and said i'm going to come out tomorrow and he says, oh my god, that's amazing, that is brave, well done. i hope it goes 0k. he knew
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about that. he was never going to out me. we were still mates. i think at the time it was written that the son going out to me. but a there wasn't so comedy that is illegal. all of these things started to grow and it got bigger and bigger. tt has and it got bigger and bigger. it has been said that _ and it got bigger and bigger. it has been said that the _ and it got bigger and bigger. it has been said that the son, _ and it got bigger and bigger. it has been said that the son, had - and it got bigger and bigger. it has been said that the son, had a story, they approached you in 2019 by the journalists who said he had a story that you were in a relationship with this young man, or had been in a relationship. and the sun knew about it, but there is a claim now, i will allow you to address, that the sun knew both things. they knew you were 93)’ knew both things. they knew you were gay and you had a relationship with this young man, but they decided not to do the story about you and the young man in return for the exclusive story about you coming out? .. exclusive story about you coming out? :. :. exclusive story about you coming out? ., :, :, exclusive story about you coming out? ., ., ., .. exclusive story about you coming out? ., ., ., ., ..
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exclusive story about you coming out? ., ., ., ., ., , out? no, no, no, no, no, absolutely, categorically. — out? no, no, no, no, no, absolutely, categorically, untrue. _ out? no, no, no, no, no, absolutely, categorically, untrue. we _ out? no, no, no, no, no, absolutely, categorically, untrue. we had - categorically, untrue. we had massive meetings about... i had a secret whatsapp group called the event, of which there were a handful of people, my management, closest management, me and my... and a guy who is a media type, trying to figure out the most elegant way to do this. holly and i had lunch and were trying to figure out what was the best date. and then i was advised, when you do it, obviously this is going to be big news, you should really have an interview afterwards. and it was suggested to me that the sun would be the paper to go to. me that the sun would be the paper to no to. . me that the sun would be the paper to no to. , , . , .,
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to go to. lets me put directly down what is said. _ to go to. lets me put directly down what is said, you _ to go to. lets me put directly down what is said, you can _ to go to. lets me put directly down what is said, you can debunk - to go to. lets me put directly down what is said, you can debunk if - to go to. lets me put directly down what is said, you can debunk if you| what is said, you can debunk if you wish to. a decision had been made for the newspaper to have a closer relationship with itv, as part of their close relationship they were their close relationship they were the sun was offered ringside seats for the announcement. 0bviously they, the sun, wouldn't run a story about the young man. it was prompted. about the young man. it was prompted-— about the young man. it was n-romted. . , ., , prompted. that is categorically untrue. prompted. that is categorically untrue- and — prompted. that is categorically untrue. and i _ prompted. that is categorically untrue. and i have _ prompted. that is categorically untrue. and i have to - prompted. that is categorically untrue. and i have to say - prompted. that is categorically untrue. and i have to say there prompted. that is categorically - untrue. and i have to say there are a great many things that have been said that our categorically untrue. i have nothing against dan and now i have put myself down to a far degree that you ever could have done. i had brought myself down. i am done. i have to talk about television in the past tense, which breaks my heart. but it continues and it is
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relentless and it is day after day after day after day after day. and if you don't think that is going to have the most catastrophic effect on someone's mind, do you want me to die? because that is where i am. i have lost everything. my girls saved my life. they said, last week, they haven't left me for a moment, they haven't left me for a moment, they have been by my side every moment, because they are scared to let me out of sight. what is that like four daughters to have to go through something like that? ihihd daughters to have to go through something like that?— daughters to have to go through something like that? and they said to me, something like that? and they said to me. don't _ something like that? and they said to me. don't you — something like that? and they said to me, don't you dare _ something like that? and they said to me, don't you dare do _ something like that? and they said to me, don't you dare do this - something like that? and they said to me, don't you dare do this on i something like that? and they said l to me, don't you dare do this on our watch, we are supposed to be looking after you. and live my girls hadn't
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been there, i wouldn't be here. because i don't see a future. and so how much do you want a man to take and are you truly only happy when he's dead? and this is how caroline flack felt and it didn't stop and i know i have done something wrong, i know i have done something wrong, i know i have done something wrong, i have owned up to doing something wrong. but a constant... friends texted me this morning saying, this is relentless, when is it going to stop? what is the agenda, when is this going to stop. someone said, you are being treated like jack the ripper. and i haven't looked at a single thing, that would be the final push. i haven't looked at a single items, i turned off all of my
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notifications, my dm is, i haven't looked at my phone all the news will stop well—meaning people come through to you and cannot believe that this has just been said. cannot believe you are being painted to be this person, we know you, we love you, all of those things, but still it comes, still it is utterly relentless. uncontrolled. 0nline. why is all this coming out? what was the catalyst? t5 why is all this coming out? what was the catalyst?— the catalyst? is got too big, the like not the catalyst? is got too big, the like got too _ the catalyst? is got too big, the like got too big. _ the catalyst? is got too big, the like got too big. got _ the catalyst? is got too big, the like got too big. got enormous, j the catalyst? is got too big, the i like got too big. got enormous, it wasjust growing, like got too big. got enormous, it was just growing, growing, like got too big. got enormous, it wasjust growing, growing, growing and it crossed overfrom online wasjust growing, growing, growing and it crossed over from online to mainstream news. and that had to stop. for his mental health, it had to stop. stop. for his mental health, it had to sto -. �* . stop. for his mental health, it had to sto. �*, ., stop. for his mental health, it had tosto. �*, ., , stop. for his mental health, it had tosto. �*, .. , . to stop. itv's position, they have an ut to stop. itv's position, they have any put up _ to stop. itv's position, they have any put up one — to stop. itv's position, they have any put up one statement - to stop. itv's position, they have any put up one statement about| to stop. itv's position, they have - any put up one statement about this, they say the investigated allegations of an improper
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relationship, were told by both you and the young man that there was no relationship. in retrospect, was that investigation, chat, it didn't get to the truth? t that investigation, chat, it didn't get to the truth?— get to the truth? i think if you have two _ get to the truth? i think if you have two people _ get to the truth? i think if you have two people who - get to the truth? i think if you have two people who are - get to the truth? i think if you l have two people who are lying, get to the truth? i think if you - have two people who are lying, then what can you do?— what can you do? what did that investigation _ what can you do? what did that investigation amount _ what can you do? what did that investigation amount to? - what can you do? what did that investigation amount to? was i what can you do? what did that i investigation amount to? wasjust investigation amount to? was just phone call to the both of you, promise of... ? trite phone call to the both of you, promise of... ?_ phone call to the both of you, promise of... ? phone call to the both of you, romise of... ? ~ . promise of... ? we were both asked iuite a promise of... ? we were both asked quite a bit- — promise of... ? we were both asked quite a bit- and _ promise of... ? we were both asked quite a bit. and it _ promise of... ? we were both asked quite a bit. and it wasn't _ promise of... ? we were both asked quite a bit. and it wasn't formal. - promise of... ? we were both asked quite a bit. and it wasn't formal. i i quite a bit. and it wasn't formal. i think, bearing in mind there were two people who are in their denial it would have been hard to stop what did you coordinate your responses together to make sure that i didn't get out? no. you together to make sure that i didn't get out? no— get out? no. you both light independently. _ get out? no. you both light independently. he - get out? no. you both light independently. he never. get out? no. you both light - independently. he never wanted his name out there, _ independently. he never wanted his name out there, he _ independently. he never wanted his name out there, he just _ independently. he never wanted his name out there, he just wanted - independently. he never wanted his name out there, he just wanted it i independently. he never wanted his| name out there, he just wanted it to go away. name out there, he 'ust wanted it to no awa . name out there, he 'ust wanted it to no awa. , .,, name out there, he 'ust wanted it to no awa. , ., name out there, he 'ust wanted it to ioawa. , ., . go away. some people would say, and are sa ini, go away. some people would say, and are saying. have _ go away. some people would say, and are saying, have said, _ go away. some people would say, and are saying, have said, that _ go away. some people would say, and are saying, have said, that it - are saying, have said, that it
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stretches credulity to suggest that people at the top of itv wouldn't have known about your relationship with this young man. it was pretty well known that the two of you were close and people had specifically raised this with the bosses of itv. people say it is quite a short journey from that to saying they should have done a proper and thorough investigation and they should have gotten to the truth. isn't that reasonable for people to say, given we are talking about abuse of power, potentially, but work this codger in an era where web—based culture is under the spotlight as never before? yes. web-based culture is under the spotlight as never before? yes. yes. 0k. spotlight as never before? yes. yes. ok. i spotlight as never before? yes. yes. 0k- i guess- — spotlight as never before? yes. yes. 0k- i guess- and _ spotlight as never before? yes. yes. ok. i guess. and you _ spotlight as never before? yes. yes. ok. i guess. and you have _ spotlight as never before? yes. yes. ok. i guess. and you have been - spotlight as never before? yes. yes. | ok. i guess. and you have been clear about some thing else. let me ask you directly. did you speak to anyone at itv about moving this young man to another programme is lemon absolutely, categorically not. he was a really good lemon absolutely, categorically not. he was a really goo— he was a really good colleague, runner, he was a really good colleague, runner. very _ he was a really good colleague, runner, very good. _ he was a really good colleague, runner, very good. he - he was a really good colleague, runner, very good. he applied i he was a really good colleague, | runner, very good. he applied to he was a really good colleague, - runner, very good. he applied to go to lose women and got the job
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entirely in his own merits, i can remember him coming to me and saying, mate, i'm going there. and i said that is fantastic. so saying, mate, i'm going there. and i said that is fantastic.— said that is fantastic. so the suggestion _ said that is fantastic. so the suggestion that _ said that is fantastic. so the suggestion that itv - said that is fantastic. so the suggestion that itv is - said that is fantastic. so the | suggestion that itv is moved said that is fantastic. so the - suggestion that itv is moved him to solve the problem, there is no truth in that? t solve the problem, there is no truth in that? .. �* . . in that? i don't believe there is an truth in that? i don't believe there is any truth in _ in that? i don't believe there is any truth in that. _ in that? i don't believe there is any truth in that. it _ in that? i don't believe there is any truth in that. it has - in that? i don't believe there is any truth in that. it has been i in that? i don't believe there is i any truth in that. it has been told to starve at _ any truth in that. it has been told to starve at itv _ any truth in that. it has been told to starve at itv that _ any truth in that. it has been told to starve at itv that a _ any truth in that. it has been told to starve at itv that a barrister i any truth in that. it has been told to starve at itv that a barrister isj to starve at itv that a barrister is going to carry out an external review, when you can buy without yes. went in february 2020, to investigated whether you are having a relationship, they failed to get to the truth. when a wriggly guest on the show for many years made a complaint, formal complaint to the bosses of itv about toxicity on this morning. they applied an independent advisor, they found no evidence of bullying and rumination, i could.
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what would you say to those people who say, given that records, it's quite hard to have confidence in this latest review from itv? you 'ust ho -e this latest review from itv? you just hope it _ this latest review from itv? you just hope it will _ this latest review from itv? you just hope it will be _ this latest review from itv? tm. just hope it will be thorough. and i will also point out that i don't know... some people perhaps may be toxic and see toxicity everywhere because that is the length looking at the world through. there is no toxicity, there is no bullying, there is no dissemination at this morning. there is no dissemination at this mornini. .. i. there is no dissemination at this mornini. ., , . morning. you said in your statement on instagram — morning. you said in your statement on instagram that _ morning. you said in your statement on instagram that there _ morning. you said in your statement on instagram that there is _ morning. you said in your statement on instagram that there is no - on instagram that there is no toxicity there. it's clear, listening to you, something you really want stuff like you are clearly very protective of the programme you worked on for 20 years and understand me so, because the repetition has taken a severe hit. if there is no toxicity, there, why would this guest i felt compelled to make a formal complaint at the highest levels of itv about some particular individuals behaviour and as he described it the environment?
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why would former staffers be contacting him to say that they signed nondisclosure agreements, too, quote, cover up the power abuse? that is pretty toxic. t’m too, quote, cover up the power abuse? that is pretty toxic. i'm of usually unaware _ abuse? that is pretty toxic. i'm of usually unaware of _ abuse? that is pretty toxic. i'm of usually unaware of any _ abuse? that is pretty toxic. i'm of usually unaware of any of - abuse? that is pretty toxic. i'm of usually unaware of any of that - abuse? that is pretty toxic. i'm ofl usually unaware of any of that goes on elsewhere. all i see is angry people shouting about a show they are not on any more. truth? people shouting about a show they are not on any more.— are not on any more. why do you think you — are not on any more. why do you think you said — are not on any more. why do you think you said a _ are not on any more. why do you think you said a moment - are not on any more. why do you think you said a moment ago - are not on any more. why do you | think you said a moment ago what are not on any more. why do you - think you said a moment ago what you think you said a moment ago what you think people want to see with you losing a job, they are now watching you suffer, why do you think a lot of people do seem to have it if you? are you toxic to them? gad. of people do seem to have it if you? are you toxic to them?— are you toxic to them? god, i hope not. i are you toxic to them? god, i hope not- i know — are you toxic to them? god, i hope not. i know what _ are you toxic to them? god, i hope not. i know what the _ are you toxic to them? god, i hope not. i know what the issues - are you toxic to them? god, i hope not. i know what the issues are - are you toxic to them? god, i hope | not. i know what the issues are with two principal people who i wish... i don't like toxicity. you two principal people who i wish... i don't like toxicity.— don't like toxicity. you said that to the best _ don't like toxicity. you said that to the best of _ don't like toxicity. you said that to the best of your— don't like toxicity. you said that to the best of your knowledge i don't like toxicity. you said that i to the best of your knowledge the young man you had a sexual
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relationship was moved to loose, women because of anything other than his merits. and that it wasn't a cultural cover by itv. he also set it to the best of your knowledge he hasn't been paid for is silence, hasn't been paid for is silence, hasn't signed an nda order has been any of injunction. i guess the other accusation of itv, interested know what you think it's notjust a displayed poor management, it is that they allowed a culture of toxicity to develop in this show and didn't do anything about it because the presenters were untouchable, all about keeping holly happy? t think about keeping holly happy? i think it is utterly untrue. _ about keeping holly happy? i think it is utterly untrue. from _ about keeping holly happy? i think it is utterly untrue. from my - about keeping holly happy? i think it is utterly untrue. from my point| it is utterly untrue. from my point of view and i think hollywood say exactly the same thing, is utterly untrue will stop if there was toxicity between two members of the team i was completely unaware of and they had beef with one another, then that's nothing to do with us. the
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programme that i love and the programme that i love and the programme that i left, i have never seen that. from my position, or heard it in fact.— seen that. from my position, or heard it in fact. when did you last seak to heard it in fact. when did you last speak to holly — heard it in fact. when did you last speak to holly willoughby. - heard it in fact. when did you last speak to holly willoughby. ? - heard it in fact. when did you last speak to holly willoughby. ? i- heard it in fact. when did you last i speak to holly willoughby. ? i watch actor on the — speak to holly willoughby. ? i watch actor on the day _ speak to holly willoughby. ? i watch actor on the day i _ speak to holly willoughby. ? i watch actor on the day i got _ speak to holly willoughby. ? i watch actor on the day i got the _ speak to holly willoughby. ? i watch actor on the day i got the statement| actor on the day i got the statement up actor on the day i got the statement up and i said to her —— by what's app up and i said to her —— by what's app her. i know you probably can't reply, but please know i am so desperately, desperately sorry. did she reply? no- _ desperately, desperately sorry. did she reply? no. how— desperately, desperately sorry. did she reply? no. how would - desperately, desperately sorry. did she reply? no. how would you - she reply? thu how would you characterise your relationship with her now, is it broken? t characterise your relationship with her now, is it broken?— her now, is it broken? i adore holl , i her now, is it broken? i adore holly. i have _ her now, is it broken? i adore holly, i have always - her now, is it broken? i adore holly, i have always adored i her now, is it broken? i adore i holly, i have always adored her, her now, is it broken? i adore - holly, i have always adored her, she is my tv sister. and from my point of view, i know, i don't have a
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problem with her at all.- of view, i know, i don't have a problem with her at all. what would ou sa to problem with her at all. what would you say to her. _ problem with her at all. what would you say to her, given _ problem with her at all. what would you say to her, given she _ problem with her at all. what would you say to her, given she is - problem with her at all. what would you say to her, given she is done i you say to her, given she is done this to you now, what would you say to her about may be publicly that you said probably about how you want to apologise, your hopes for mending that relationship? t to apologise, your hopes for mending that relationship?— that relationship? i would say to everyone. _ that relationship? i would say to everyone. i— that relationship? i would say to everyone, i would _ that relationship? i would say to everyone, i would say _ that relationship? i would say to everyone, i would say to - that relationship? i would say to everyone, i would say to my i that relationship? i would say to i everyone, i would say to my family, my friends, my work colleagues, the public, to itv, to my management company, to everyone that i lied to, i am desperately, desperately sorry. but principally, i would like to apologise to him. because it may have been consensual, may have been fully legal, but i shouldn't have allowed it to happen. and that was a grave error on my part. and i know that because of that and absolutely
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innocent person is being persecuted. 0n innocent person is being persecuted. on one particular point, eamonn holmes has suggested that there were taxis from your apartment to the studio, which this young man used and that those were probably paid for by itv, did he frequently gets taxis from your studio? tie for by itv, did he frequently gets taxis from your studio?- taxis from your studio? he didn't fre . uentl taxis from your studio? he didn't frequently come _ taxis from your studio? he didn't frequently come to _ taxis from your studio? he didn't frequently come to my _ taxis from your studio? he didn't frequently come to my flat, i taxis from your studio? he didn't frequently come to my flat, he i taxis from your studio? he didn't i frequently come to my flat, he came to the flat once, to my recollection he didn't stay over, he said he was passing and he was going to come in for a beer. 50 passing and he was going to come in for a beer. . .. for a beer. so the idea he got regularly _ for a beer. so the idea he got regularly taxis _ for a beer. so the idea he got regularly taxis from - for a beer. so the idea he got regularly taxis from your i for a beer. so the idea he got i regularly taxis from your home... utterly untrue. also, i don't have an itv car account, presenters don't get that. an itv car account, presenters don't net that. ~ , ~. an itv car account, presenters don't net that. ~ i. .. an itv car account, presenters don't net that. ~ i. ., ., an itv car account, presenters don't ietthat.~ ., get that. when you came out as gay on tv. get that. when you came out as gay on tv- eamon _ get that. when you came out as gay on tv. eamon and _ get that. when you came out as gay on tv. eamon and his _ get that. when you came out as gay on tv. eamon and his parents i get that. when you came out as gay on tv. eamon and his parents are i on tv. eamon and his parents are there, you hugged them. he said he felt use, was that all fake? that is the invocation, that he was being used for a reputational enhancement
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for you? used for a reputational enhancement for ou? .. used for a reputational enhancement for ou? ., .. used for a reputational enhancement for ou? ., ., for you? you come out as gay as a reputational — for you? you come out as gay as a reputational enhancement. - for you? you come out as gay as a reputational enhancement. i i for you? you come out as gay as a reputational enhancement. i think| reputational enhancement. i think that in itself speaks... reputational enhancement. i think that in itself speaks. . .— that in itself speaks... when did ou know that in itself speaks... when did you know you — that in itself speaks... when did you know you were _ that in itself speaks... when did you know you were gay? - that in itself speaks... when did you know you were gay? i i that in itself speaks... when did you know you were gay? i havel that in itself speaks... when did i you know you were gay? i have spoken to my therapist — you know you were gay? i have spoken to my therapist about _ you know you were gay? i have spoken to my therapist about this, _ you know you were gay? i have spoken to my therapist about this, because i to my therapist about this, because i had a wonderful marriage, have a wonderful marriage, not brilliant right now. with an incredibly supportive wife and two beautiful children. if you had the most amazing time, as a family, asked for, that's who we are. and something started to trip me up. and i couldn't figure out what it was. and my therapist has said, you can become aware, you canjust and my therapist has said, you can become aware, you can just make things change, things change. and over a period of time, it was a
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colonel and it grew bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger, colonel and it grew bigger and biggerand biggerand bigger, until i was really mentally struggling and deeply mentally struggling and my relationship with my colleague coincided with that moment. that is not an excuse, i am making no excuses. do mind me asking that was your first gay relationships? fir your first gay relationships? or have you had have other experiences? i don't think this interview is about other experiences. 0bviously one of the oddest things anyone who is gay can go through, why did you come out when you did, you said nobody forced to hand, why did you come out? because it got to the point where i weighed 9.5 stones, it was utterly torturing me, i couldn't sleep, i couldn't eat and... i
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wanted to be brave. i spoke through it with the family, who have all been incredible.— it with the family, who have all been incredible. �* , .., ., been incredible. let's come to some closin: been incredible. let's come to some closing thoughts. _ been incredible. let's come to some closing thoughts. do _ been incredible. let's come to some closing thoughts. do you _ been incredible. let's come to some closing thoughts. do you feel, i closing thoughts. do you feel, mindful as i am that you are mindful of a particular person, do you feel a victim in all of this? tia. of a particular person, do you feel a victim in all of this?— a victim in all of this? no. i feel a victim in all of this? no. i feel a victim in all of this? no. i feel a victim of— a victim in all of this? no. i feel a victim of hate _ a victim in all of this? no. i feel a victim of hate after— a victim in all of this? no. i feel a victim of hate after the - a victim in all of this? no. i feel a victim of hate after the event. and i think i probably, there will be a lot of people watching this thinking, how do you? it would be easierfor me to thinking, how do you? it would be easier for me to say i don't feel just like what i feel victim of is spun areas of non—factual information. and gossip and nastiness. but i don't look any
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more, i have already told you how i feel and i'm not more, i have already told you how i feeland i'm not in more, i have already told you how i feel and i'm not in television any more. .. . feel and i'm not in television any more. ., . . . more. you lived a lie and with a lie, a more. you lived a lie and with a lie. a secret _ more. you lived a lie and with a lie, a secret life _ more. you lived a lie and with a lie, a secret life for _ more. you lived a lie and with a lie, a secret life for a _ more. you lived a lie and with a lie, a secret life for a long i more. you lived a lie and with a lie, a secret life for a long time | lie, a secret life for a long time and they say the truth sets you free. so for all the stress you have been living with, do you feel slightly liberated by speaking out today? t’m slightly liberated by speaking out toda ? �* . �* . slightly liberated by speaking out toda ? �* . �*, ., . slightly liberated by speaking out toda ? �* . �*, :, . . , today? i'm glad it's not a lie any more. today? i'm glad it's not a lie any more- itut _ today? i'm glad it's not a lie any more- itut i _ today? i'm glad it's not a lie any more. but i am... _ today? i'm glad it's not a lie any more. but i am... if— today? i'm glad it's not a lie any more. but i am... ifl_ today? i'm glad it's not a lie any more. but i am... ifi could- today? i'm glad it's not a lie any| more. but i am... ifi could have more. but i am... if i could have taken the whole full brunt of this without an innocent man being hauled alongside, then, fair play. but the fact that an innocent man his friends, his family, the associations, his questioned, everything has been questioned, because you can say anything online. there are a lot of lies in social media. and a lot of lies about you,
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but i have to ask, there were people who would say, given he lied and lied in the past, why should we believe him today?— lied in the past, why should we believe him today? well, only my friends and _ believe him today? well, only my friends and family _ believe him today? well, only my friends and family need _ believe him today? well, only my friends and family need to - believe him today? well, only my friends and family need to worry i friends and family need to worry about that, because you don't have to worry about what i say any more, do you? i willjust be saying that them now. wright had been abandoned by law lot of people you were close to? . . by law lot of people you were close to? , , , , . to? yes, but interestingly i have also. . . to? yes, but interestingly i have also- - - it — to? yes, but interestingly i have also... it has— to? yes, but interestingly i have also... it has been _ to? yes, but interestingly i have also... it has been a _ to? yes, but interestingly i have also... it has been a very - to? yes, but interestingly i have also... it has been a very fine i to? yes, but interestingly i have i also... it has been a very fine mesh of friends and _ also... it has been a very fine mesh of friends and it's _ also... it has been a very fine mesh of friends and it's interesting i also... it has been a very fine mesh of friends and it's interesting to i of friends and it's interesting to see who came through and it's also interesting the new friends i have made, because there are a lot of people who i have never really spoken to in my world who have reached out and been amazing. 0ne reached out and been amazing. one very prominent public figure phoned me the other day and said, i want to check you were 0k,
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me the other day and said, i want to check you were ok, i have never seen such homophobia in my life. truth? check you were ok, i have never seen such homophobia in my life.— such homophobia in my life. why do ou think such homophobia in my life. why do you think this _ such homophobia in my life. why do you think this coverage _ such homophobia in my life. why do you think this coverage has - such homophobia in my life. why do you think this coverage has been i you think this coverage has been homophobic? tt it you think this coverage has been homophobic?— you think this coverage has been homohobic? . , . .,, . homophobic? if it was a heterosexual relationship. — homophobic? if it was a heterosexual relationship, then _ homophobic? if it was a heterosexual relationship, then i— homophobic? if it was a heterosexual relationship, then i think— homophobic? if it was a heterosexual relationship, then i think it— homophobic? if it was a heterosexual relationship, then i think it would i relationship, then i think it would be a nudge, nudge, wink, wink. if it is a gay relationship, then suddenly it raises eyebrows. it is wrong... people do find each other attractive in different age groups. it does happen. but it's the mere fact that this is so gigantic and i appreciate the workplace and history, i get that. it's the fact that it is so massive, it is predominantly homophobia.— massive, it is predominantly homophobia. massive, it is predominantly homohobia. . . , .. homophobia. this is the tip of the iceber: , homophobia. this is the tip of the iceberg. are _ homophobia. this is the tip of the iceberg, are there _ homophobia. this is the tip of the iceberg, are there more _ homophobia. this is the tip of the i iceberg, are there more allegations and revelations to come? this iceberg, are there more allegations and revelations to come?— iceberg, are there more allegations and revelations to come? this is my bi est, and revelations to come? this is my biggest. sorriest _ and revelations to come? this is my biggest, sorriest secret. _ and revelations to come? this is my biggest, sorriest secret. when i and revelations to come? this is my biggest, sorriest secret. when you i biggest, sorriest secret. when you think our biggest, sorriest secret. when you think your career _ biggest, sorriest secret. when you think your career goes _ biggest, sorriest secret. when you think your career goes to - biggest, sorriest secret. when you think your career goes to from i biggest, sorriest secret. when you i think your career goes to from here?
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nowhere. :. . think your career goes to from here? nowhere. ., . , . , , ., nowhere. you are brandishing your weddin: nowhere. you are brandishing your wedding ring. _ nowhere. you are brandishing your wedding ring. i _ nowhere. you are brandishing your wedding ring, i read _ nowhere. you are brandishing your wedding ring, i read you _ nowhere. you are brandishing your wedding ring, i read you have i wedding ring, i read you have separated, are you? me wedding ring, i read you have separated, are you?— separated, are you? we are separated. _ separated, are you? we are separated, but _ separated, are you? we are separated, but we - separated, are you? we are separated, but we are i separated, are you? we are separated, but we are veryl separated, are you? we are i separated, but we are very much together. separated, but we are very much toiether. ~ . ., i. separated, but we are very much toiether. ~ . ., ~' separated, but we are very much toiether. ~ . ., ~ .. separated, but we are very much toiether. ~ . ., ~ ., together. what would you like to say together. what would you like to say to her? 0h. — together. what would you like to say to her? oh, god, _ together. what would you like to say to her? oh, god, can— together. what would you like to say to her? oh, god, can you _ together. what would you like to say to her? oh, god, can you imagine i together. what would you like to say i to her? oh, god, can you imagine how difficult that — to her? oh, god, can you imagine how difficult that conversation _ to her? oh, god, can you imagine how difficult that conversation was. - difficult that conversation was. perhaps this one is slightly easier. she's not here, so you can... trio. perhaps this one is slightly easier. she's not here, so you can... no, i will never- -- _ she's not here, so you can... no, i will never... let's _ she's not here, so you can... no, i will never... let's just _ she's not here, so you can... no, i will never... let'sjust say - she's not here, so you can... no, i will never... let's just say that i she's not here, so you can... no, i will never... let's just say that it i will never... let's just say that it was an incredibly difficult conversation, the most difficult conversation, the most difficult conversation i have ever had to have her and she is extremely disappointed, because i lied to her as well. but, she wished me well, today. and so... we will see. iloathed today. and so... we will see. what would you — today. and so... we will see. what would you say _ today. and so... we will see. what would you say right _ today. and so... we will see. what would you say right now, _ today. and so... we will see. what would you say right now, publicly, to your daughters. lu’li;r
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would you say right now, publicly, to your daughters.— would you say right now, publicly, to your daughters. my daughters, i called them. _ to your daughters. my daughters, i called them. i _ to your daughters. my daughters, i called them, i said _ to your daughters. my daughters, i called them, i said i— to your daughters. my daughters, i called them, i said i have - to your daughters. my daughters, i i called them, i said i have something to tell you and they came out to see me, and were unbelievable. unbelievable. and i looked at them and thought, well, you got that right. and they don't think you are a bully. and they don't think you are toxic. and they know the man you are. and there you know you screwed up, really. are. and there you know you screwed u, reall. . , are. and there you know you screwed u, reall . . , . .. are. and there you know you screwed u,reall. . , . .. up, really. finally, what would you sa to the up, really. finally, what would you say to the young — up, really. finally, what would you say to the young man _ up, really. finally, what would you say to the young man in _ up, really. finally, what would you say to the young man in question? up, really. finally, what would you i say to the young man in question? to say to the young man in question? “trr whom i am the most sorry. by getting involved with me, i have caused you so much pain and, again, i am... well, iwill
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so much pain and, again, i am... well, i will never forgive myself. so much pain and, again, i am... well, i will neverforgive myself. i made a bad judgment call. if only you knew, one moment, ifi made a bad judgment call. if only you knew, one moment, if i had the judgment i have had for a1 years, if i had used it at that moment, then things would be very, very different for everybody. things would be very, very different for everybody-— things would be very, very different for everybody. thank you so much for our time. for everybody. thank you so much for yourtime- if— for everybody. thank you so much for yourtime- if you _ for everybody. thank you so much for your time. if you or _ for everybody. thank you so much for your time. if you or someone - for everybody. thank you so much for your time. if you or someone you i your time. if you or someone you know has been effective by any issues raised in this programme, head to... hello there. good afternoon.
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for the vast majority of us, it's a beautiful day of weather with plenty of blue sky and sunshine around, such as here in denbighshire in wales. the photo sent in by our weather watcher and it's also brightened up across east anglia where it's been cloudy and really quite cool for much of the week. this is beautiful. this in norfolk. now it's all set to continue as we head through the rest of next week, too. the outlook is looking dry and settled. a lot more sunshine to come in the forecast, high pressure dominating the satellite picture. a thing of beauty from today with some still some cloud across northern areas of scotland, maybe some fair weather cloud bubbling up across the higher ground as we head through the afternoon here. and then we've still got that brisk northeasterly wind towards east anglian coast and towards the kent coast, gusts of wind of around 30 miles an hour. so it's cooler and breezier here, but temperatures for most of us 0r now, don't forget that the sunshine is strong at this time of year. the uv levels are high, the grass pollen levels are also high for today and will remain high
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as we head through tomorrow and next week. tonight, it's not quite as chilly as it was last night. lots of clear skies around again. we've got those areas of cloud just drifting in from north sea coast. so quite a murky start to the day tomorrow. any early mist by the west will lift and clear and it's a milder start. temperatures in mid to high single figures for most of us. now that cloud will gradually retreat further eastwards as we head throughout the day towards the lincolnshire coastal some cloud across eastern areas of scotland perhaps for a time. again, some more fairweather cloud bubbling up through the afternoon and the small chance of one or two showers breaking out across northern ireland and south west scotland. but here still temperatures peaking in the late twenties and celsius and it's much of a muchness on monday. the same thing all over again. rinse and repeat some more cloud edging into eastern coastal areas, gradually burning back towards the case. the best of the sunshine. further west again, temperatures ranging from the high teens to the low twenties in celsius. now, as we head through next week, the high pressure is going nowhere, gradually drifts eastwards, just roaring in more of a southeasterly wind. so we could find that
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live from london. this is bbc news india's prime minister nahendra modi has visited the site of a major train crash in the country's eastern state of 0disha. 288 people are now known to have died — and a thousand injured in the most deadly rail disaster in two decades. police arrest 31 people on suspicion of �*conspiracy to commit public nuisance' over allegations they planned to disrupt the epsom derby. turkish president recep erdogan has been sworn in for a third time following a run off vote criticised by opposition groups.
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