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of the three trains involved in the incident in the eastern state of odisha. indian prime minister narendra modi said "stringent punishment" will be handed down to those found to be responsible. our south asia correspondent archana shukla reports from the scene. daylight revealed the scale of the disaster. this wreckage, now intertwined, belonged to three trains. there are conflicting accounts of how the crash occurred, leaving a pile—up not seen in decades. some railway workers have told the bbc that the coromandel express going from kolkata in the east to the southern city of chennai collided with a stationary freight train on the same track. its coaches then overturned and were hit by another passenger train coming in the opposite direction. but officials dispute this, saying all three trains were on different tracks and they are still investigating why the coromandel express derailed.
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rescue efforts went on nonstop for over 2a hours. even slicing through the mangled coaches to pull out those trapped. mukesh survived the crash. translation: when i came out of the train i saw a lot of people | had reached the site. i lost everything. we sat down. those who were seriously injured were brought out, so i had to wait. through the day, ambulances have been rushing passengers for critical medical care. since last night, every 30 minutes an ambulance has been ferrying critically injured passengers from the accident site to this trauma centre in this hospital. this is the biggest hospital in the state of odisha, but it is still a three—hour drive from where the accident happened. we understand since last night hundreds of critically injured
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passengers have been brought in here and given medical care but the scenes outside are one of despair, distress and of chaos. many people outside still looking for theirfamily members who were passengers, not knowing if they have been brought to this hospital or some other. india's prime minister narendra modi visited the accident site. his government promising an inquiry into what went wrong. as the rescue work wraps up, a big priority is restarting train services by clearing the tracks. the wreckage and lost hopes leaving many tough questions to answer. there are varying accounts of how this train crash happened, including questions about which train derailed first. the exact sequence of events is still under investigation, but bbc teams have been trying to piece it together. we know the accident involved three trains. the coromandel express, seen here in red, was heading south to chennai.
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the howrah superfast express, which is in blue, was heading north. there was also a stationary goods train which you can see here in grey. there are varying accounts of which train derailed first. but a railway spokesperson said it was the coromandel express. it somehow ended up on a loop line and hit the goods train. the derailed carriages — which you can see in red here — then collided with the howrah superfast express which was travelling along a different line. some of the superfast express carriages, which you can see in blue, are also then derailed. the government has said in total 17 coaches from the two passenger trains were derailed and severely damaged. we spoke to debabrata mohanty from the hindustan times who was at the crash site earlier today. yes, i saw the moment i arrived there i saw it was a horrific sight. the train coaches were lying all around the entire crash site,
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too many bodies piled up and the rescuers had a difficult time to get the bodies out of the mangled coaches. i mean, it was like a war zone. an absolute nightmare, this experience. there is so much material to have to get through, we have been seeing them try to cut through the carriages to try to reach people. did you speak to people who had been on the trains at the time and what did they tell you? yes, i spoke to people at the hospital, people who survived, people who survived with minor injuries, people who had been treated for major injuries, and also the relatives, the near and dear of the people who died next to them. and people who survived, they did not know what happened. i mean, they bought a ticket and somebody was going to buy something,
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somebody was going to vacation, somebody was going to his job, and suddenly this happened and theyjust do not know what is in store and suddenly it is too many dead bodies and just totally bewildered. yeah, and in terms of the hospitals, how are they coping with so many people to have to deal with? it is difficult. i mean, the place where it happened, those places are very rudimentary, like small primary health centres. there would be one or two doctors. even in the place in the nearby town, there are 15, 20 doctors normally. i mean, normally, when this happened in the night, there would be three or four doctors, and they can administer not more than 100 patients at a time, but yesterday night almost 500 people came.
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and they had all various injuries. somebody had a head injury, somebody had a broken arm, broken rib cages, and all of them suffering trauma. it was very difficult for all these people, passengers, all these people who were injured in the accident. to hong kong next. several rights activists have been detained by the police on the eve of the 34th anniversary of the tiananmen square massacre in beijing. the activists were stopped near a key location where vigils used to be held for the pro—democracy protesters who were killed by the military in 1989. such vigils have now been banned after china imposed a national security law on the territory. the artist sanmu chen, who had been chanting "don't forgetjune 4th", was amongst those put into police vans after peacefully walking in the neighbourhood where thousands once gathered annually for a tiananmen memorial. now it's time for a look
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at today's sport. hello from the bbc sport centre. manchester city are still on course for a treble of trophies — after beating rivals manchester united 2—1 to win the fa cup. the premier league champions�* opening goal was the fastest in fa cup history. 0ur correspondent natalie pirks was watching at wembley. bleary eyed after early starts, the two halves of manchester| wandered into the wembley sunshine. united fans were looking to protect a legacy, city fans were on the search for a treble. friendships were about to be tested. if we can do it, i would put us above that 1999 winning treble team. i have a nice feeling inside, sorry! wembley looked regal in the sunshine. but united knew they would need to weather a storm. they weren't banking on a hurricane. there's a good try! incredible! ilkay gundogan.
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the fastest goal in fa cup final history at just 12 seconds. city'sjoy was united's pain. they knew their claim to english football's only treble was in peril. united needed to stay calm. they were handed a lifeline. penalty manchester united, they have a way back. in front of a blue wall, fernandez started, but the finish was perfect. city came out for the second half with that grudge to settle and when fred dumped kevin de bruyne on the turf, he responded in the only way he knows how. gundogan, he got it. gundogan showing just why he is worth another contract. but more questions asked of united's keeper. any chances united had came and went. they almost nicked an equaliser in the dying seconds. but united's scrambled efforts were no match for city's well—oiled machine. this was always worth more to them than just beating their local rivals.
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they have done the double and will now go for the treble next weekend in what could be a defining moment for manchester city's history. natalie pirks, bbc news, wembley. celtic have won the scottish cup to seal their 5th domestic treble in 7 years. they beat championship side inverness caldedonian thistle 3—1 at hampden park. jota sealing the victory in stoppage time. so another treble for celtic, in what could be manager ange postecoglou's final game in charge. it was also the women's champions league final today and there was a stunning comeback from barcelona to beat wolfsberg. the la liga champions were 2—0 down at half time in eindhoven, but they fought back to beat german giants 3—2 — patri scoring two goals in two minutes and then fridolina rolfo with the winning goal. the result means barca defender lucy bronze becomes the first english woman to win the champions league with two different clubs.
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at the french open, defending champion iga swiantek has delivered the dreaded double bagel to wang xinyu. the world number one thrashed the chinese player 6—0 6—0, to ease into the fourth round at roland garros. she'll next face ukraine's lesia tsurenko next. and coco gauff overcame the 16—year—old russian mirra andreeva, but needed three sets to reach the last 16. this cross—court winner won the match for last year's runner—up. the seventh seed 0ns jabeur has also progressed in the last hour. now cricket — and on the day england named their men's ashes squad, the same players eased past ireland in a one—off test at lord's. after starting day three 255 runs ahead, england weren't expecting to have to bat again — but a sprited irish second innings left them needing 11 runs to win, which opener zak crawley quickly knocked—off for a ten wicket victory. the series against australia starts in just under a fortnight�*s time. qualifying for the spanish
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grand prix was dramatic but world champion max verstappen is still the man to beat on sunday after taking pole. the dutch driver, who has a commanding lead in the drivers�* championship, qualified nearly half a second quicker than spaniard carlos sainz. britain's lewis hamilton will start from fifth place, despite this collision with team—mate george russell, who's 12th on the grid. the world's most famous flat race, the epsom derby, went ahead, despite a protestor being removed from the track whilst it was under way. a man was tackled by police near the finish line and more than 30 arrests were made. auguste rodin went on to win after a late dash for the line. it was a third derby victory forjockey ryan moore and a record—equalling ninth for irish trainer aiden 0'brien. but there was no fairy tale final ride in the race for frankie dettori, who finished tenth. and that's all the sport for now.
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few people know the power of television touched me like phillip schofield. for more than a0 years he has been central to tv life but he left itv. -- has been central to tv life but he left itv. —— few people knew the power of television quite like phillip schofield. he admitted he had an unwise but not illegal relationship with a younger member of staff on this morning. the man was 15 when they met about 20 when the relationship became sexual. in the relationship became sexual. in the past week there has been an avalanche of social media speculation and abuse. now phillip schofield wants to tell his side of the story and i will ask him some questions. thank you for speaking to me and the bbc. you have had quite
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the week, how are you? it is like a weird numbness. i know thatis it is like a weird numbness. i know that is a selfish point of view, but you come to a point where you just think how much are you supposed to take? if all of those people write all that stuff, do they ever think that there is actually a person at the other end? and so here i am. are ou the other end? and so here i am. are you feeling — the other end? and so here i am. are you feeling 0k to do this, strong enough to do this? i
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you feeling ok to do this, strong enough to do this?— you feeling 0k to do this, strong - enough to do this?_ why enough to do this? i have to be. why do ou enough to do this? i have to be. why do you want — enough to do this? i have to be. why do you want to _ enough to do this? i have to be. why do you want to do _ enough to do this? i have to be. why do you want to do this _ enough to do this? i have to be. why do you want to do this interview? - do you want to do this interview? because there is an innocent person here who did not do anything wrong. who is vulnerable and probably feels like i do. ., , who is vulnerable and probably feels likeido. ., , , ., , like i do. some of my questions will be uncomfortable _ like i do. some of my questions will be uncomfortable and _ like i do. some of my questions will be uncomfortable and let's - like i do. some of my questions will be uncomfortable and let's face - like i do. some of my questions will be uncomfortable and let's face it . be uncomfortable and let's face it intrusive but you have chosen to tell your side of the story. there are lots of questions for itv in all this. he mentioned this young man and at the centre of events as a young man who we will not name, he has a right to privacy and he is not here today to give his own account of events. when did you last to speak to him? figs of events. when did you last to speakto him?— of events. when did you last to speak to him? as i engaged the la er speak to him? as i engaged the lawyer for— speak to him? as i engaged the lawyer for him. _ speak to him? as i engaged the lawyer for him. so _ speak to him? as i engaged the lawyer for him. so he _ speak to him? as i engaged the lawyer for him. so he needed i lawyerfor him. so he needed independent support and so that was
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the last time. that independent support and so that was the last time-— the last time. that if you weeks auo? the last time. that if you weeks ago? yes. _ the last time. that if you weeks ago? yes. a _ the last time. that if you weeks ago? yes, a couple _ the last time. that if you weeks ago? yes, a couple of - the last time. that if you weeks ago? yes, a couple of weeks. i the last time. that if you weeks - ago? yes, a couple of weeks. when ou sa ago? yes, a couple of weeks. when you say you — ago? yes, a couple of weeks. when you say you engaged _ ago? yes, a couple of weeks. when you say you engaged his _ ago? yes, a couple of weeks. when you say you engaged his lawyer, - ago? yes, a couple of weeks. when you say you engaged his lawyer, do | you say you engaged his lawyer, do you say you engaged his lawyer, do you mean you are paying for the independent legal advice? when did you first meet this young man in question? what were the circumstances? i question? what were the circumstances?— question? what were the circumstances? . , _ ., circumstances? i was invited by a friend of mine _ circumstances? i was invited by a friend of mine to _ circumstances? i was invited by a friend of mine to go _ circumstances? i was invited by a friend of mine to go to _ circumstances? i was invited by a friend of mine to go to a - circumstances? i was invited by a friend of mine to go to a school, | friend of mine to go to a school, something i had done thousands of times. whether it was immediately or sometime after, he said will you follow me on twitter because he is a fan? i said no problem, follow me on twitter because he is a fan? isaid no problem, which follow me on twitter because he is a fan? i said no problem, which i did. he probably came back saying thanks for the follow. find he probably came back saying thanks for the follow.— for the follow. and he was 15 at the time? yes, — for the follow. and he was 15 at the time? yes, i _ for the follow. and he was 15 at the time? yes, i follow— for the follow. and he was 15 at the time? yes, | follow 11,300 - for the follow. and he was 15 at the time? yes, i follow 11,300 people i time? yes, i follow 11,300 people and in all the _ time? yes, i follow 11,300 people and in all the time _ time? yes, i follow 11,300 people and in all the time i _ time? yes, i follow 11,300 people and in all the time i have - time? yes, i follow 11,300 people and in all the time i have been - time? yes, i follow 11,300 people and in all the time i have been on| and in all the time i have been on twitter, there has never been any whiff of impropriety. he twitter, there has never been any whiff of impropriety.— whiff of impropriety. he followed ou on whiff of impropriety. he followed you on twitter. _ whiff of impropriety. he followed you on twitter, you _ whiff of impropriety. he followed you on twitter, you followed - whiff of impropriety. he followed you on twitter, you followed himj you on twitter, you followed him back, did you start having an e—mail exchange or direct message exchange?
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hardly at all, and then he asked if he could visit the studios, work experience type of thing. i said come down and have a look which he did. ., ., ., , , did. how old was he when he first said to you _ did. how old was he when he first said to you i _ did. how old was he when he first said to you i am _ did. how old was he when he first said to you i am interested - did. how old was he when he first said to you i am interested in - said to you i am interested in television? was heat 18 by that point? television? was heat 18 by that oint? " television? was heat 18 by that point? 19. and when he asked if he could have work experience? at. point? 19. and when he asked if he i could have work experience? at more or less the same _ could have work experience? at more or less the same time. _ could have work experience? at more or less the same time. did _ could have work experience? at more or less the same time. did he - could have work experience? at more or less the same time. did he ask- or less the same time. did he ask ou for or less the same time. did he ask you for work _ or less the same time. did he ask you for work experience - or less the same time. did he ask you for work experience and - or less the same time. did he ask you for work experience and you i or less the same time. did he ask. you for work experience and you said have a look? i you for work experience and you said have a look?— have a look? i have done it all my life, i am — have a look? i have done it all my life, i am best _ have a look? i have done it all my life, i am best friends _ have a look? i have done it all my life, i am best friends with - have a look? i have done it all my life, i am best friends with the - life, i am best friends with the people who got me into television and i always believe in paying it forward, so i do not think about it. when you look back now, if you were to look back at those messages now,
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was there any sense in which you are flirting with him? ida. was there any sense in which you are flirting with him?— flirting with him? no. i have been 41 ears flirting with him? no. i have been 41 years in — flirting with him? no. i have been 41 years in television, _ flirting with him? no. i have been 41 years in television, nothing - flirting with him? no. i have been| 41 years in television, nothing like a1 years in television, nothing like this before, no accusations. this is all accusations.— this before, no accusations. this is all accusations. which is why i want to ut all accusations. which is why i want to put them — all accusations. which is why i want to put them to _ all accusations. which is why i want to put them to you. _ all accusations. which is why i want to put them to you. if— all accusations. which is why i want to put them to you. if you - all accusations. which is why i want to put them to you. if you are - to put them to you. if you are brutally honest, you think back to that, a lot has happened since then, it was a long time ago, that if you think back to those initial interactions, was there any element of it which was sexual? ida. so there of it which was sexual? no. so there was a of it which was sexual? i1r>. so there was a period of several years we did not meet him?— not meet him? yes, i had not seen him. and not meet him? yes, i had not seen him- and when _ not meet him? yes, i had not seen him. and when you _ not meet him? yes, i had not seen him. and when you met _ not meet him? yes, i had not seen him. and when you met him - not meet him? yes, i had not seen him. and when you met him in - not meet him? yes, i had not seen - him. and when you met him in person, it was there — him. and when you met him in person, it was there a — him. and when you met him in person, it was there a moment _ him. and when you met him in person, it was there a moment of _ him. and when you met him in person, it was there a moment of sexual - it was there a moment of sexual attraction then?— it was there a moment of sexual - attraction then?_ 0k, attraction then? absolutely not. ok, so to be absolutely _ attraction then? absolutely not. ok, so to be absolutely clear, _ attraction then? absolutely not. ok, so to be absolutely clear, how- attraction then? absolutely not. ok, so to be absolutely clear, how old i so to be absolutely clear, how old was this young man when you had any kind of sexual contact with him? if}.
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kind of sexual contact with him? 20. 20. this is kind of sexual contact with him? 201 20. this is obviously the kind of sexual contact with him? 22 20. this is obviously the nub of it and to put speculation to rest, let me ask you directly, did you have any kind of sexual relationship or sex with him when he was underage? no, god no. in my statement it says consensual relationship, fully legal, that was approved by both sides. ~ ., ., ~' legal, that was approved by both sides. ~ ., ., ~ , . sides. when he got work experience, so he has 20 — sides. when he got work experience, so he has 20 at _ sides. when he got work experience, so he has 20 at this _ sides. when he got work experience, so he has 20 at this stage... - sides. when he got work experience, so he has 20 at this stage... by - so he has 20 at this stage... by that so he has 20 at this stage... en; that stage at 20, he came in so he has 20 at this stage... eng that stage at 20, he came in for a visit, we went out because he was going to be picked up and i was worried he might be on his own so i said let's go and have a bite to eat, it was not a mealjust waiting for someone to pick him up, so do not worry, do not go out there on your own. i5 not worry, do not go out there on your own-— not worry, do not go out there on our own. , . ., i. your own. is at that point you were not in any — your own. is at that point you were not in any kind _ your own. is at that point you were not in any kind of— your own. is at that point you were not in any kind of a _ your own. is at that point you were not in any kind of a relationship? l not in any kind of a relationship? no, god no. not in any kind of a relationship? no. god no—
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not in any kind of a relationship? no, god no. ., ., ., ., .,, no, god no. how long after that was it he had the — no, god no. how long after that was it he had the beginnings _ no, god no. how long after that was it he had the beginnings of— no, god no. how long after that was it he had the beginnings of a - no, god no. how long after that was it he had the beginnings of a sexual| it he had the beginnings of a sexual relationship with him? he it he had the beginnings of a sexual relationship with him?— relationship with him? he had been workin: at relationship with him? he had been working at the _ relationship with him? he had been working at the show _ relationship with him? he had been working at the show for _ relationship with him? he had been working at the show for a _ relationship with him? he had been working at the show for a few - relationship with him? he had been l working at the show for a few months and we had become mates. we were mates and around the studios you hang out, chat, see each other, that sort of stuff. and then in my dressing room one day, something happened. which obviously i will regret further, for him and for me, mostly him. —— regret forever. but that happened maybe four or five times over the next few months and i
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know it is unforgivable, but we were not boyfriends we were not in a relationship, i was really in a mess with my own sexuality at the time and itjust happened. haifa with my own sexuality at the time and itjust happened.— with my own sexuality at the time and itjust happened. and it 'ust happened. how old was he at and itjust happened. how old was he at this stage? — and itjust happened. how old was he at this stage? 20, _ and itjust happened. how old was he at this stage? 20, 21. _ and itjust happened. how old was he at this stage? 20, 21. and _ and itjust happened. how old was he at this stage? 20, 21. and how - and itjust happened. how old was he at this stage? 20, 21. and how else l at this stage? 20, 21. and how else we are trying _ at this stage? 20, 21. and how else we are trying to _ at this stage? 20, 21. and how else we are trying to help _ at this stage? 20, 21. and how else we are trying to help him? - at this stage? 20, 21. and how else we are trying to help him? what. at this stage? 20, 21. and how else i we are trying to help him? what else were you doing to help them with this morning? did you help him meet people? i this morning? did you help him meet --eole? ~ . . this morning? did you help him meet eo le? ~' , ., , people? i think this might have been before there — people? i think this might have been before there had _ people? i think this might have been before there had been _ people? i think this might have been before there had been any _ people? i think this might have been before there had been any contact, i | before there had been any contact, i helped him put a show reel together. after he gets work experience at this morning... he after he gets work experience at this morning. . ._ after he gets work experience at this morning... he now has a “ob, civen a this morning... he now has a “ob, given a job — this morning... he now has a “ob, given a job at fl this morning... he now has a “ob, given a job at his i this morning... he now has a “ob,
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given a job at his own * this morning... he now has a “ob, given a job at his own merits h given a job at his own merits because he was very good at his job. everybody loved him and he worked very, very hard. it is everybody loved him and he worked very. very hard-— very, very hard. it is clear from testimony _ very, very hard. it is clear from testimony he — very, very hard. it is clear from testimony he is _ very, very hard. it is clear from testimony he is hugely - very, very hard. it is clear from testimony he is hugely capable | very, very hard. it is clear from - testimony he is hugely capable and talented. if we go back, because you have very specific in your wedding in your statement of how the relationship was unwise but not illegal, and the question of legality centres around him before he was 18, the relationship between when you met him when he was 15 and when you met him when he was 15 and when he was 18 was occasional direct messages, no pictures? and he would say that was not really flirtatious at all? it say that was not really flirtatious at all? . . . say that was not really flirtatious at all? . , , .., say that was not really flirtatious at all? . , , .. ., . at all? it was 'ust career advice. and know — at all? it was 'ust career advice. and know it — at all? it wasjust career advice. and know it actual _ at all? it wasjust career advice. and know it actual forwardnessl at all? it wasjust career advice. i and know it actual forwardness at all in any of that stuff? 0k. —— no actual forwardness. when
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all in any of that stuff? 0k. —— no actualforwardness. when did all in any of that stuff? 0k. —— no actual forwardness. when did you have a relationship with him of any sexual nature? it have a relationship with him of any sexual nature?— have a relationship with him of any sexual nature? it probably happened five ma be sexual nature? it probably happened five maybe six _ sexual nature? it probably happened five maybe six times, _ sexual nature? it probably happened five maybe six times, nothing - sexual nature? it probably happened five maybe six times, nothing more | five maybe six times, nothing more than that. 5a five maybe six times, nothing more than that. so when did your relationship _ than that. so when did your relationship with _ than that. so when did your relationship with him - than that. so when did your relationship with him and i than that. so when did your i relationship with him and and than that. so when did your - relationship with him and and why? i was, at the time, really beginning to get into a very poor mental state with my own sexuality and i thought that was bad, nothing like this. and i think it'sjust that was bad, nothing like this. and i think it's just sort of drifted. we still stayed mates, we are still mates, still stayed friendly and i got him work, because he was living in london, struggling, and i got him runnersjobs on other
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in london, struggling, and i got him runners jobs on other shows that are dead because he was a very good runner. —— on other shows that i did. it is always nice to have a team around you who you know. did ou team around you who you know. did you ever tell holly willoughby? no, | you ever tell holly willoughby? no, god no, you ever tell holly willoughby? no, god no. and — you ever tell holly willoughby? iirr, god no, and that is a bigger question, because our make up rumours like a sanctuary, it has always been a sanctuary. —— our make up always been a sanctuary. —— our make up a room full tell everything, holly knows everything about me, i know everything about holly, and thatis know everything about holly, and that is the sanctuary and it is a wonderful environment and something i will miss deeply. and... holly, do not know whether holly ever asked me, she might have done, but i would have denied it. holly did not know, nobody knew. that has been the cataclysm of the lie is that it
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starts in a denial, no, not at all, and then the rumour started and then you lie, you have had a work place fling and you lie about it, and i appreciate there is a massive age gap that happens in life as well. you did not tell anyone but i wonder if people ask you, as you said there had been rumours for years and years of not only whether or not you were 93)’ of not only whether or not you were gay but your relationship with this particular young man, so did anyone on the this morning team ask you whether you were gay or in a relationship with this young man? ida relationship with this young man? iir: one ever asked me about being gay. but we will ask you about being in a relationship with this young man? when the rumour got bigger, we were
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both asked. find when the rumour got bigger, we were both asked. . , ., , ., when the rumour got bigger, we were both asked. . , .,, ., both asked. and people would say the circumstances _ both asked. and people would say the circumstances are _ both asked. and people would say the circumstances are as _ both asked. and people would say the circumstances are as follows, - both asked. and people would say the circumstances are as follows, you - circumstances are as follows, you met someone who was a child, you are in a position of power over them, you used your power eventually to give them something they craved, a shot at a job in the media, you nurtured a relationship and then that relationship became sexual. they might ask what is the difference between that and grooming? i difference between that and grooming?— difference between that and auroomin? ., ., grooming? i would say that the initial list of _ grooming? i would say that the initial list of things _ grooming? i would say that the initial list of things was - grooming? i would say that the initial list of things was not - grooming? i would say that the l initial list of things was not right anyway. initial list of things was not right an a . , initial list of things was not right anyway-_ itecausel initial list of things was not right i anyway._ because it initial list of things was not right - anyway._ because it was anyway. tell me, why? because it was anyway. tell me, why? because it was a totally innocent _ anyway. tell me, why? because it was a totally innocent picture, _ anyway. tell me, why? because it was a totally innocent picture, twitter- a totally innocent picture, twitter follow, of which i follow 11,a00 people, and then it was a completely innocent backwards and forwards over a period of time about a job, but korea's. what is wrong with that? —— about careers. does that mean if you're following anyone on twitter you're following anyone on twitter you do not talk to anyone else or give advice? i disagree with the
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summation that you just gave, because that does paint a very grave picture. in because that does paint a very grave nicture. . . ., , , because that does paint a very grave nicture. . ..,, , ., because that does paint a very grave nicture. . , ., picture. in which case, why do you sa it picture. in which case, why do you say it was — picture. in which case, why do you say it was unwise? _ picture. in which case, why do you say it was unwise? you _ picture. in which case, why do you say it was unwise? you are - picture. in which case, why do you say it was unwise? you are clearlyj say it was unwise? you are clearly sensitive to the power differential and mindful of the dangers. the brief and mindful of the dangers. iie: brief communication backwards and forwards up to the point he came to work on a this morning i think was just chat. what was unwise was the fact that it happened, and that was a very, very grave error. it was consensual, but it was my fault. why? consensual, but it was my fault. wh ? �* , , ., consensual, but it was my fault. why? because i should not have done it. it is entirely _ why? because i should not have done it. it is entirely my _ why? because i should not have done it. it is entirely my fault. _ why? because i should not have done it. it is entirely my fault. he - why? because i should not have done it. it is entirely my fault. he is - it. it is entirely my fault. he is an innocent party here and i appreciate how there is a moment, you have a moment, just a moment, but he is entirely and completely innocent. although it was
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consensual. i was older, should have known better. should not have done it. ~ ., known better. should not have done it. . ,,. ~, known better. should not have done it. what specifically do you feel ou did it. what specifically do you feel you did that — it. what specifically do you feel you did that was _ it. what specifically do you feel you did that was wrong? - it. what specifically do you feel you did that was wrong? i... i i you did that was wrong? i... i kissed someone _ you did that was wrong? i... i kissed someone in _ you did that was wrong? i... i kissed someone in the - you did that was wrong? i... i - kissed someone in the workplace, which led on to a little bit more. and that... retrospectively, of course, my friends have said what the hell were you thinking, you do not do that? you have never done that? and i think there is no excuse, there are no excuses here. it is my fault. but... i think the fact that perhaps i was trying to come to terms with who i was, what i
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was going to do about it, the effects it would have, i think that is probably the reason. and effects it would have, i think that is probably the reason.— effects it would have, i think that is probably the reason. and do you feel, 'ust is probably the reason. and do you feel, just listening _ is probably the reason. and do you feel, just listening to _ is probably the reason. and do you feel, just listening to how- is probably the reason. and do you feel, just listening to how you - is probably the reason. and do you feel, just listening to how you talk| feel, just listening to how you talk about it, do you feel what was morally wrong about it was it involved an abuse of power because you are an older guy who had more power than him?— power than him? obviously that criticism has _ power than him? obviously that criticism has been _ power than him? obviously that criticism has been levelled - power than him? obviously that criticism has been levelled at i power than him? obviously that l criticism has been levelled at me, but i have never done that in my whole life, i have never abused my power anywhere, whole life, i have never abused my poweranywhere, iam whole life, i have never abused my power anywhere, iam not whole life, i have never abused my power anywhere, i am not a bully. you read the things you are supposed to be... i do not lord it around the tv studios, everyone is a friend, i have gone through all of this time, most of the messages i have from people i work with say i cannot believe that they are saying this, we love working with you. i snapped
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at once around about the time i was coming out, i snapped at one of our producers and after the meeting i immediately went up to her and apologised, it is not me, i do not do that. i'm not rude on the studio floor and they do not bully people and to lord it around, we are all very on one level team and that has been the important thing for me in a1 years of television. i been the important thing for me in 111 years of television.— 111 years of television. i can see how extremely _ 111 years of television. i can see how extremely concerned - 111 years of television. i can see how extremely concerned you i 111 years of television. i can see i how extremely concerned you are 111 years of television. i can see - how extremely concerned you are for the welfare of this young man. did you love him?— you love him? no, we were 'ust mates. no �* you love him? no, we were 'ust motes. no you i you love him? no, we were 'ust mates. do you knowi you love him? no, we were 'ust mates. do you know if�* you love him? no, we were 'ust mates. do you know if he h you love him? no, we werejust| mates. do you know if he signed you love him? no, we werejust i mates. do you know if he signed a nondisclosure _ mates. do you know if he signed a nondisclosure agreement - mates. do you know if he signed a l nondisclosure agreement preventing him from speaking? ida. i nondisclosure agreement preventing him from speaking?— nondisclosure agreement preventing him from speaking? no. i was asked that earlier on, _ him from speaking? no. i was asked that earlier on, did _ him from speaking? no. i was asked that earlier on, did i _ him from speaking? no. i was asked that earlier on, did i make _ him from speaking? no. i was asked that earlier on, did i make him - him from speaking? no. i was asked that earlier on, did i make him sign i that earlier on, did i make him sign an nda? no, absolutely not. there is an nda? no, absolutely not. there is a question of whether he was paid off? no. ~ . ., , off? no. what he paid for his silence? _ off? no. what he paid for his silence? is _ off? no. what he paid for his silence? is he _ off? no. what he paid for his silence? is he free _ off? no. what he paid for his silence? is he free to - off? no. what he paid for his silence? is he free to speak. off? no. what he paid for his| silence? is he free to speak if off? no. what he paid for his - silence? is he free to speak if he wants to? he
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silence? is he free to speak if he wants to? . silence? is he free to speak if he wants to?— silence? is he free to speak if he wants to? , ., , , .,~ wants to? he is free to speak. he wants to? he is free to speak. he wants a quiet _ wants to? he is free to speak. he wants a quiet life, _ wants to? he is free to speak. he wants a quiet life, he _ wants to? he is free to speak. he wants a quiet life, he did - wants to? he is free to speak. he wants a quiet life, he did not - wants to? he is free to speak. he | wants a quiet life, he did not want any of this to happen in the first place and i'm sure he completely regrets it. it was my fault, so he has nothing to regret because it was my fault. has has nothing to regret because it was m fault. . . has nothing to regret because it was m fault. . , , ., , my fault. has ever been or is there an injunction _ my fault. has ever been or is there an injunction or _ my fault. has ever been or is there an injunction or any _ my fault. has ever been or is there an injunction or any sort _ my fault. has ever been or is there an injunction or any sort of - my fault. has ever been or is there an injunction or any sort of nda - an injunction or any sort of nda preventing media coverage of your relationship with him? ida. preventing media coverage of your relationship with him?— preventing media coverage of your relationship with him? no, and that was one of the _ relationship with him? no, and that was one of the things, _ relationship with him? no, and that was one of the things, when - relationship with him? no, and that was one of the things, when the - was one of the things, when the rumours started and then when it came to light, and obviously both of us said what the hell is this, i do not know. isaid it i said it will go away, i'm sure it will go away. and then it started to grow legs and it got bigger and bigger. it was said there was a super injunction. it was said i'd got him fired, or moved on. all
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completely untrue. you work in television, you know the way the process works. you cannot have someone moved on without it going through a whole team of people, the line of command, why would this happen? i actually spoke to him the night before, or texted either the night before, or texted either the night before, or texted either the night before or the morning after i came out and said i'm going to come out tomorrow. he said, i got, amazing, that's brave, well done, i hope it goes 0k. he knew about that. he was never going to out to me. we were still mates. i think at the time it was written that the sun were going to out me. i, that would be illegal. all these things started to grow, and got bigger and bigger and it got bigger. it to grow, and got bigger and bigger and it got bigger-—
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and it got bigger. it has been said that the son _ and it got bigger. it has been said that the son had _ and it got bigger. it has been said that the son had a _ and it got bigger. it has been said that the son had a story, - and it got bigger. it has been said that the son had a story, a - that the son had a story, a journalist said he had the story you had been no a relationship with a young man and they knew about it. but there is a claim now that the sun knew you were gay and had a relationship with this young man, but they decided not to do the story in return for the exclusive about you coming out. in return for the exclusive about you coming out-— in return for the exclusive about you coming out. in return for the exclusive about ou comino out. ., ., ., you coming out. oh, god, no. no, no, no. you coming out. oh, god, no. no, no, no- absolutely — you coming out. oh, god, no. no, no, no. absolutely categorically _ you coming out. oh, god, no. no, no, no. absolutely categorically untrue. i no. absolutely categorically untrue. we had meetings, i had a whatsapp group called the event, of which there were a handful of people, my closest management, me, and a guy who is sort of a media lawyer type
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of thing trying to figure out the most elegantly to do this. holly and i had lunch and were trying to figure out what was the best date. and then i was advised, when you do it, obviously it is going to be big news. you should really have an interview afterwards. and it was suggested to me that the sun would be the people to go to. let suggested to me that the sun would be the people to go to.— be the people to go to. let me put directly what _ be the people to go to. let me put directly what dan _ be the people to go to. let me put directly what dan which _ be the people to go to. let me put directly what dan which says, - be the people to go to. let me put directly what dan which says, so i be the people to go to. let me put i directly what dan which says, so you can debunk if you wish to. he said, "a decision had been made by the newspaper to have a closer relationship with itv, and as part of that, the sun was offered ringside seats for the exclusive others coming out, and obviously liberating not run the story about this young man. i was prompted by
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philip." element lettuce categorically untrue. i have got to say, they have been a great many things that i consider that are categorically untrue. i things that i consider that are categorically untrue.- things that i consider that are categorically untrue. i have nothing aoainst categorically untrue. i have nothing against dan. _ categorically untrue. i have nothing against dan, but _ categorically untrue. i have nothing against dan, but now— categorically untrue. i have nothing against dan, but now i _ categorically untrue. i have nothing against dan, but now i have - categorically untrue. i have nothing| against dan, but now i have brought myself down. to a far greater degree than you could have done, i have brought myself down. i am done. i have to talk about television in the past tense, which breaks my heart. but it continues. it is relentless, and it is day after day after day after day. and if you do that, and if you don't think that that is going to have the most catastrophic effect on someone's mind. do you want me to die? because that is where i am. i have lost everything.
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my where i am. i have lost everything. my girls saved my life. they said last week they haven't left me for a moment. they have been my side every moment. they have been my side every moment because they are scared to let me out of their sight. what is that like four daughters to have to go through something like that? and they said to me, "don't you dare do this on our watch. we are supposed to be looking after you." and if my girls hadn't been there, i wouldn't be here, because i don't see a future. so, how much they want a man to take? and are you only happy when he is dead? and this is how caroline flack felt, and it didn't stop. and
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i knew i had done something wrong, i have owned up to doing something wrong. but constant... friends texting me this morning saying, nature, this is relentless. when it to stop? what is the agender? when it is going to stop? someone said, you are being treated like jack the ripper. and i haven't looked at a single thing. that would be the final push. i haven't looked at a single newspaper, i deleted all the apps, i took of all my notifications. i have not looked on my phone or looked at the news, but well meaning people come through to you and say, "i can't believe this has been said. i can't believe you are being painted out to be this person. we know you, we love you." all of those things. but still it is
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utterly relentless.— utterly relentless. uncontrolled online. utterly relentless. uncontrolled online- why _ utterly relentless. uncontrolled online. why is _ utterly relentless. uncontrolled online. why is all— utterly relentless. uncontrolled online. why is all of _ utterly relentless. uncontrolled online. why is all of us - utterly relentless. uncontrolled online. why is all of us coming | utterly relentless. uncontrolled i online. why is all of us coming out now? what was the catalyst, what changed? it now? what was the catalyst, what chanced? ., , ., changed? it got too big. the lie got too bi for changed? it got too big. the lie got too big for both _ changed? it got too big. the lie got too big for both of _ changed? it got too big. the lie got too big for both of us. _ changed? it got too big. the lie got too big for both of us. it _ changed? it got too big. the lie got too big for both of us. itjust - changed? it got too big. the lie got too big for both of us. itjust got. too big for both of us. itjust got enormous. it was growing and growing and growing. it crossed overfrom online to mainstream news, and that had to stop. for his mental health, it had to stop. had to stop. for his mental health, it had to stop-— it had to stop. itv's position is that they investigated - it had to stop. itv's position is i that they investigated allegations of an improper relationship and they were told by both you and your young man there was no relationship. in retrospect, was that investigation a sham? i retrospect, was that investigation a sham? ~' , ., ., ., retrospect, was that investigation a sham? ~' i., . ., , .,, sham? i think if you have two people that are lying. _ sham? i think if you have two people that are lying, then _ sham? i think if you have two people that are lying, then what _ sham? i think if you have two people that are lying, then what cannot i sham? i think if you have two people that are lying, then what cannot you | that are lying, then what cannot you do? ~ . that are lying, then what cannot you do? . . . , . ., do? what if that investigation amount to? _ do? what if that investigation amount to? was _ do? what if that investigation amount to? was just - do? what if that investigation amount to? wasjust a - do? what if that investigation amount to? wasjust a phone j do? what if that investigation i amount to? wasjust a phone call to amount to? was just a phone call to both? i amount to? was 'ust a phone call to both? ~' ., , amount to? was 'ust a phone call to both? ~' ., amount to? was 'ust a phone call to both? ~ ., ., both? i think he was asked quite a
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bit, iwas both? i think he was asked quite a bit, i was asked _ both? i think he was asked quite a bit, i was asked a _ both? i think he was asked quite a bit, i was asked a couple - both? i think he was asked quite a bit, i was asked a couple of- both? i think he was asked quite aj bit, i was asked a couple of times. and it was not formal. but, yeah, i... dating in mind that there were two people who are absolutely intransigent in their denial that it would have been pretty hard. did you coordinate your _ would have been pretty hard. did you coordinate your responses _ would have been pretty hard. did you coordinate your responses together i coordinate your responses together to make sure that the lie didn't get out? ., ., �* ., , out? no, no. he didn't ever want his name out there. _ out? no, no. he didn't ever want his name out there. he _ out? no, no. he didn't ever want his name out there. he just _ out? no, no. he didn't ever want his name out there. he just wanted i out? no, no. he didn't ever want his name out there. he just wanted all i name out there. he just wanted all to go away. name out there. he 'ust wanted all to go away.— name out there. he 'ust wanted all toaoawa. ., ., to go away. people are saying, have said, that to go away. people are saying, have said. that it — to go away. people are saying, have said, that it stretches _ to go away. people are saying, have said, that it stretches credulity i to go away. people are saying, have said, that it stretches credulity to i said, that it stretches credulity to suggest that people at the top of itv would not have known about your relationship with this young man. it was pretty well no end that duty of uber close and people have specifically raise this with the bosses of itv. people are saying it is quite a shortjourney from that and they should have done a proper and they should have done a proper and thorough investigation and got to the truth. is it not a reasonable
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thing for people to say?— to the truth. is it not a reasonable thing for people to say? yeah, yeah. and ou thing for people to say? yeah, yeah. and you have — thing for people to say? yeah, yeah. and you have been _ thing for people to say? yeah, yeah. and you have been very _ thing for people to say? yeah, yeah. and you have been very clear- thing for people to say? yeah, yeah. and you have been very clear about i and you have been very clear about something else which you want to correct. did you speak to anyone at all and i to v about the this young man onto another programmemike absolutely categorically not. he was absolutely categorically not. he was a really good _ absolutely categorically not. he was a really good colleague, _ absolutely categorically not. he was a really good colleague, very - absolutely categorically not. he was a really good colleague, very good. | a really good colleague, very good. he applied to go to another programme, and got thejob entirely on his own merits. i remember him coming to me and saying, i'm going to... , , ., ., ., to... the suggestion that itv moved to... the suggestion that itv moved to solve a problem _ to... the suggestion that itv moved to solve a problem on _ to... the suggestion that itv moved to solve a problem on this - to solve a problem on this morning... i to solve a problem on this morning- - -_ to solve a problem on this mornint... ., �* , ., to solve a problem on this mornint... j , ., , morning... i don't believe that is true at all- _
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morning... i don't believe that is true at all. staff _ morning... i don't believe that is true at all. staff and _ morning... i don't believe that is true at all. staff and itv - morning... i don't believe that is true at all. staff and itv have i morning... i don't believe that is i true at all. staff and itv have been told to interact _ true at all. staff and itv have been told to interact with _ true at all. staff and itv have been told to interact with a _ true at all. staff and itv have been told to interact with a barrister i told to interact with a barrister following your departure and an external review. will you comply with external review?— external review. will you comply with external review? yeah. when itv without investigating _ with external review? yeah. when itv without investigating if— with external review? i'e:1 when itv without investigating if you with external review? ie:1 when itv without investigating if you had with external review? iez
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the world. there is no toxicity, there is no bullying, there is no discrimination at this morning. tau discrimination at this morning. you seed on your— discrimination at this morning. you seed on your statement on instagram that there is no toxicity on a this morning. you are clearly very protective of a programme you are on for 20 years, and understandably so, because that programme's reputation has taken a very serious head. if there was no toxicity on this morning, why would doctor raj singh feel compo to make a complaint to the highest level at itv about the environment of this morning. why would former staffers be contacting eamonn holmes to say that they signed nondisclosure agreements to, and i quote, covered up the bullying and i quote, covered up the bullying and power abuse? that sounds pretty toxic. �* . ., ., ., , ., .,
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toxic. i'm unaware of any of that. all i see toxic. i'm unaware of any of that. all i see is _ toxic. i'm unaware of any of that. all i see is angry _ toxic. i'm unaware of any of that. all i see is angry people - toxic. i'm unaware of any of that. all i see is angry people shoutingj all i see is angry people shouting about a show they are not on any more. ., ., a ., ., about a show they are not on any more. ., ., ., ., ., ., ., more. you asked a moment ago what it is that people — more. you asked a moment ago what it is that people want _ more. you asked a moment ago what it is that people want to _ more. you asked a moment ago what it is that people want to see. _ more. you asked a moment ago what it is that people want to see. they - is that people want to see. they have seen new lose yourjob, they are or what you now suffer. why do you think that was a people seem to haveitin you think that was a people seem to have it in for you? are you toxic to the question mark have it in for you? are you toxic to the question marl— have it in for you? are you toxic to the question mark god, i hope not. i know what the _ the question mark god, i hope not. i know what the issues _ the question mark god, i hope not. i know what the issues are _ the question mark god, i hope not. i know what the issues are with i the question mark god, i hope not. i know what the issues are with two i know what the issues are with two principal people. i don't like toxicity. principal people. i don't like toxici . ., ., , , ., toxicity. you said to the best of our toxicity. you said to the best of your knowledge _ toxicity. you said to the best of your knowledge of _ toxicity. you said to the best of your knowledge of the - toxicity. you said to the best of your knowledge of the young i toxicity. you said to the best of i your knowledge of the young man you had a sexual relationship with was not moved to another programme on anything other than his own merits, he was moved there because he applied and got a promotion and there was no cultural cover—up by itv. you have also said that the best of your knowledge he has not been paid for her silence or hasn't been paid for her silence or hasn't been any sort of injunction. but i guess the other allegation made at itv is not that they have displayed
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poor management, but they have allowed a culture of toxicity to develop at this morning but did not do anything about it because the presenters were untouchable. it was all about keeping you happy. i presenters were untouchable. it was all about keeping you happy.- all about keeping you happy. i think it is utterly untrue. _ all about keeping you happy. i think it is utterly untrue. from _ all about keeping you happy. i think it is utterly untrue. from my - all about keeping you happy. i think it is utterly untrue. from my point i it is utterly untrue. from my point of view, and i think hollywood say the same thing, that is utterly untrue. if there was toxicity between two members of a team that i was completely unaware of and they had beef with one another, that is nothing to with us. the programme that i love and the programme that i left, i have never seen that from my position, or heard the in fact. ilid’heh position, or heard the in fact. when did ou position, or heard the in fact. when did you last — position, or heard the in fact. when did you last speak _ position, or heard the in fact. when did you last speak to _ position, or heard the in fact. when did you last speak to holly - did you last speak to holly willoughby? i did you last speak to holly willoughby?— did you last speak to holly willou:hb ? ~ . x ,, did you last speak to holly willou:hb ? ~ ., x ,, ., willoughby? i whatsapp turn on the date that i willoughby? i whatsapp turn on the date that i put _ willoughby? i whatsapp turn on the date that i put the _ willoughby? i whatsapp turn on the date that i put the statement - willoughby? i whatsapp turn on the date that i put the statement up, i date that i put the statement up, and i said to her i know you can't
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reply, i know you're not allowed to probably, but these now that i am so desperately, desperately sorry. did she reply? no- _ desperately, desperately sorry. did she reply? no. how— desperately, desperately sorry. did she reply? no. how would - desperately, desperately sorry. did she reply? no. how would you i she reply? hp. how would you characterise your relationship with her now? is it broken? i characterise your relationship with her now? is it broken?— her now? is it broken? i adore holl , i her now? is it broken? i adore holly. i always— her now? is it broken? i adore holly, i always have. - her now? is it broken? i adore holly, i always have. she i her now? is it broken? i adore holly, i always have. she is i her now? is it broken? i adore| holly, i always have. she is my her now? is it broken? i adore i holly, i always have. she is my tv sister. from my point of view, no. i... i don't have a problem with holly at all. what would you say to her, doubtless that she is listening to you now?— her, doubtless that she is listening to you now? what would you say to her it may be _ to you now? what would you say to her it may be publicly _ to you now? what would you say to her it may be publicly about - to you now? what would you say to her it may be publicly about how. to you now? what would you say to i her it may be publicly about how you would like to apologise and your hopes for up mending that relationship? i hopes for up mending that relationship?— hopes for up mending that relationship? i would say to everyone- -- _ relationship? i would say to everyone... i— relationship? i would say to everyone... i would - relationship? i would say to everyone... i would say i relationship? i would say to everyone... i would say to i relationship? i would say to i everyone... i would say to my family, my friends, my work
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colleagues, the public, to itv, to my management company, to everyone that i lied to, i am desperately, desperately sorry. but principally i would like to apologise to him, because it may have been consensual, fully legal, but i should not have allowed it to happen, and that was a grave, grave error on my part. and i know that because of that, and absolutely innocent person is being persecuted. tithe absolutely innocent person is being -ersecuted. . ., absolutely innocent person is being persecuted-— persecuted. one particular point of fact, persecuted. one particular point of fact. eamonn _ persecuted. one particular point of fact, eamonn holmes _ persecuted. one particular point of fact, eamonn holmes has - persecuted. one particular point of i fact, eamonn holmes has suggested that there were taxes from your apartment to the studio which this young man used, and that those were probably paid for by itv. did he frequently get taxis to your studio cars as he did not frequently come
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to my flat. he cars as he did not frequently come to m flat. ., ., . cars as he did not frequently come to my flat-— to my flat. he at once. he said he was passing _ to my flat. he at once. he said he was passing and _ to my flat. he at once. he said he was passing and he _ to my flat. he at once. he said he was passing and he was _ to my flat. he at once. he said he was passing and he was going i to my flat. he at once. he said he was passing and he was going to i to my flat. he at once. he said he i was passing and he was going to come in for a beer. utterly untrue. also, i don't have an itv card account, presenters don't get that.- i don't have an itv card account, presenters don't get that. when you came on as — presenters don't get that. when you came on as gay _ presenters don't get that. when you came on as gay live _ presenters don't get that. when you came on as gay live on _ presenters don't get that. when you came on as gay live on this - presenters don't get that. when you | came on as gay live on this morning, eamonn holmes and his wife were there, as you said he was kind, they hugged you. he now says that he feels used. was that all fake, that there was artifice to that day and he was being used for the sort of reputational enhancement for you? reputational enhancement for you ? you reputational enhancement for you? you come out as gay as an reputational enhancement? i think that in itself comes speaks of... when did you know you were gay? i spoke to my therapist about this, because i had a wonderful marriage.
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not brilliant right now. with incredibly supportive wife and two beautiful children, who had the most amazing time as a family, as four. and in some to trip me up and i couldn't figure out what it was. my therapist has said, you can become aware, things change. and over a period of time, it was a colonel, and it grew bigger and bigger and bigger, until i was really mentally struggling, like deeply mentally struggling. my relationship with my colleague coincided with that moment. that is not an excuse, i make no excuses. ida
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moment. that is not an excuse, i make no excuses.— moment. that is not an excuse, i make no excuses. do you mind me askin: if make no excuses. do you mind me asking if that _ make no excuses. do you mind me asking if that was _ make no excuses. do you mind me asking if that was your _ make no excuses. do you mind me asking if that was your first - make no excuses. do you mind me asking if that was your first gay i asking if that was your first gay relationship? i asking if that was your first gay relationship?— asking if that was your first gay relationshi . ? ~ . relationship? i think this interview is not about _ relationship? i think this interview is not about other _ relationship? i think this interview is not about other experiences. it| is not about other experiences. it is not about other experiences. it is obviously one of the hottest thing that anyone who is gay can go through —— one of the heart does things. why did you come alt? because it got to the point where i weighed 9.5 stone, it was utterly torturing me, i couldn't sleep, i couldn't eat. i... i want you to be brave. i spoke to the family, who have all been incredible. ida brave. i spoke to the family, who have all been incredible.- have all been incredible. do you feel, mindful— have all been incredible. do you feel, mindful as _ have all been incredible. do you feel, mindful as i _ have all been incredible. do you feel, mindful as i am _ have all been incredible. do you feel, mindful as i am that i have all been incredible. do you feel, mindful as i am that you . have all been incredible. do you i feel, mindful as i am that you are very concerned about the welfare of one particular person, do you feel a
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victim in all this? mo. one particular person, do you feel a victim in all this?— victim in all this? no. ifeela victim in all this? no. ifeela victim of— victim in all this? no. ifeela victim of hate _ victim in all this? no. ifeela victim of hate after— victim in all this? no. ifeela victim of hate after the - victim in all this? no. i feel a| victim of hate after the event. victim in all this? no. i feel a - victim of hate after the event. and i think that probably there will be a lot people watching this thinking, how dare you? it would easier for me to say i don't feel like a victim, but i feel like what i am a of spun areas of non—factual information and gossip and nastiness. but i don't look any more. i have already told you how i feel. and i'm not in television any more.- you how i feel. and i'm not in television any more. you lived a secret life _ television any more. you lived a secret life for _ television any more. you lived a secret life for a _ television any more. you lived a secret life for a long _ television any more. you lived a secret life for a long time, - television any more. you lived a secret life for a long time, and i secret life for a long time, and they say the truth set you free. so with all the stress you have been living with, do you feel slightly liberated by speaking out today? i’m
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liberated by speaking out today? i�*m glad it is not a lie liberated by speaking out today? in glad it is not a lie any more. if i could have taken the whole full brunt of this without an innocent man being hauled alongside, then fair play. but the fact that an innocent man, his friends, his family, the association is questioned. everything has been questioned, because you can say anything online.— questioned, because you can say anything online. there are a lot of lies on social _ anything online. there are a lot of lies on social media _ anything online. there are a lot of lies on social media about - anything online. there are a lot of lies on social media about you. i anything online. there are a lot of| lies on social media about you. but i have got to ask. given that he —— people would say, given that he has lied in the past, why should we believe him today?— lied in the past, why should we believe him today? only my friends and family need _ believe him today? only my friends and family need to _ believe him today? only my friends and family need to worry _ believe him today? only my friends and family need to worry about - believe him today? only my friends| and family need to worry about that, because i don't need to worry any more about what i say any more. i willjust be saying that to the garden. willjust be saying that to the carden. . ,, , willjust be saying that to the carden. ., in , ., ., _ ., garden. have you been abandoned by a lot --eole garden. have you been abandoned by a lot peeple that — garden. have you been abandoned by a lot peeple that you _ garden. have you been abandoned by a lot people that you were _ garden. have you been abandoned by a lot people that you were close - garden. have you been abandoned by a lot people that you were close to? -
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lot people that you were close to? yes. but interestingly, i have also... it has been a very fine, fine mesh of friends. it is interesting to see who came through, and is also interesting the new friends i have made, because there are a lot of people who i have never really spoken to in my world who have reached out and been amazing. one very prominent public figure found me the other day and said, "i wanted to check that you were ok. i have never seen such homophobia in my life." have never seen such homophobia in m life." ~ , ., have never seen such homophobia in m life."~ , ., have never seen such homophobia in m life." ~ , ., ~' have never seen such homophobia in m life."~ , ., ~ , have never seen such homophobia in m life." , ~' , my life." why do you think this has been homophobic? _ my life." why do you think this has been homophobic? if— my life." why do you think this has been homophobic? if it _ my life." why do you think this has been homophobic? if it was - my life." why do you think this has been homophobic? if it was a - been homophobic? if it was a heterosexual _ been homophobic? if it was a heterosexual relationship, i been homophobic? if it was a heterosexual relationship, it | been homophobic? if it was a - heterosexual relationship, it would have been a bit of nudge, nudge, wink, wink. because it is a gay relationship, then suddenly it raises eyebrows. people do find each other attractive and different age
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groups, it does happen. but it is the mere fact that this is so gigantic. i appreciate the work place and the history, i get that. but it is the fact that it is so massive, is predominantly homophobia. i5 massive, is predominantly homophobia.— massive, is predominantly homophobia. massive, is predominantly homohobia. , , i, ., homophobia. is this the type of the iceber: as homophobia. is this the type of the iceberg as much _ homophobia. is this the type of the iceberg as much other— homophobia. is this the type of the iceberg as much other more - iceberg as much other more allegations and revelations to come? this is my biggest, sorriest secret. where do you think your career goes from here? ., where do you think your career goes from here?_ you _ where do you think your career goes from here?_ you were - from here? nowhere. you were brandishing _ from here? nowhere. you were brandishing your _ from here? nowhere. you were brandishing your wedding - from here? nowhere. you were brandishing your wedding ring, | from here? nowhere. you were - brandishing your wedding ring, and i brandishing yourwedding ring, and i read that you had separated. are you? read that you had separated. are ou? ~ ., read that you had separated. are ou?. ., , ., read that you had separated. are ou? ., , ., , read that you had separated. are ou?. ., , ., , ., you? we are separated, but we are very much — you? we are separated, but we are very much together. _ you? we are separated, but we are very much together. what - you? we are separated, but we are very much together. what would i you? we are separated, but we are l very much together. what would you like to say to — very much together. what would you like to say to her? _ very much together. what would you like to say to her? , _ very much together. what would you like to say to her? , my _ very much together. what would you like to say to her? , my god. - very much together. what would you like to say to her? , my god. can - like to say to her? , my god. can ou like to say to her? , my god. can you imagine _ like to say to her? , my god. can you imagine how— like to say to her? , my god. can you imagine how difficult - like to say to her? , my god. can you imagine how difficult that - you imagine how difficult that conversation was?— you imagine how difficult that
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conversation was? ~ , ., ,, , conversation was? well, perhaps this one is easier- — conversation was? well, perhaps this one is easier. she _ conversation was? well, perhaps this one is easier. she is _ conversation was? well, perhaps this one is easier. she is not _ conversation was? well, perhaps this one is easier. she is not here... - one is easier. she is not here... no, i would one is easier. she is not here... no, iwould never... let'sjust say that it was an incredibly difficult conversation, the most difficult conversation, the most difficult conversation i have ever had to have with her. she is extremely disappointed because i lied to her as well. but she wished me well today. and so... we will see. and today. and so... we will see. and what would _ today. and so... we will see. and what would you _ today. and so... we will see. and what would you say right now publicly to your daughter is? my publicly to your daughter is? m daughters, i publicly to your daughter is? m1: daughters, i called them and publicly to your daughter is? m1 daughters, i called them and said i have something to tell you, and they came out to see me, and were unbelievable. unbelievable. and i looked at them and i thought, well, you got that right, and they don't think that you are a bully and that you are toxic, and they know the
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amount you are, and they know that you screwed up royally.— you screwed up royally. finally, what would _ you screwed up royally. finally, what would you _ you screwed up royally. finally, what would you say _ you screwed up royally. finally, what would you say to - you screwed up royally. finally, what would you say to the - you screwed up royally. finally, | what would you say to the young you screwed up royally. finally, - what would you say to the young man in question? to what would you say to the young man in question?— in question? to him, i am the most sor . b in question? to him, i am the most sorry- by getting _ in question? to him, i am the most sorry. by getting involved _ in question? to him, i am the most sorry. by getting involved with - in question? to him, i am the most sorry. by getting involved with me, | sorry. by getting involved with me, i have caused you so much pain. again, iam... iwill i have caused you so much pain. again, i am... i will neverforgive myself, but i made a bad judgment call. if only you knew, in one movement, i have had thejudgment that i have had for 41 years, if i had used it at that moment, then things would be very different for everybody. things would be very different for eve bod . , ., ., ~ everybody. phillip schofield, thank ou so everybody. phillip schofield, thank you so much _ everybody. phillip schofield, thank you so much for— everybody. phillip schofield, thank you so much for your _ everybody. phillip schofield, thank you so much for your time. -
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everybody. phillip schofield, thank you so much for your time. if - everybody. phillip schofield, thank you so much for your time. if you | everybody. phillip schofield, thankl you so much for your time. if you or someone you know has been affected ljy someone you know has been affected by any issues raised in this programme, head to bbc action line for information and support. hello there. good evening. for the vast majority of us across the uk, it's been a beautiful day of weather with plenty of blue sky and sunshine, some of the best of it again across wales. here's denbighshire as recorded by our weather watcher, and it even brightened up for east anglia too where it's been cool and cloudy with a northeasterly wind for much of the week. but here is diss in norfolkjust basking in all of that sunshine. and there is a lot more to come as we head through tomorrow.
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and indeed, for much of next week, high pressure is set to keep us dry and settled. we're keeping the easterly wind, though, for most of us. so always towards north sea facing coast it's going to be feeling cooler. overnight tonight, some of that wind could blow us in some more areas of cloud, i think towards eastern coastal areas. further west, then, we'll see clear skies but mist developing into tomorrow morning but it's not so chilly a start, temperatures in mid to high single figures at this time so a milder start to sunday morning than it was earlier on this morning. and that cloud will once again just burn back towards the coast. could be some cloud lingering for eastern areas of scotland. it's a sunnier day, i think, for the western and the northern isles on sunday than it was today. just the small chance of a shower or two popping up across northern ireland and the south west of scotland. but even here, temperatures will peak in the late 20s in celsius. the sunshine, higher temperatures the further west you are. don't forget the sunshine is strong at this time of year. the uv levels will be high and the grass pollen levels are high too and will remain so into next week. now into monday and not a lot is set to change. high pressure keeps
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us dry and settled. we do still have that northeasterly wind and it's likely to blow in some cloud. we're starting off with cloudy conditions, but the cloud again burning back towards the coast as the sunshine gets to work, always breezy towards those north sea facing coasts. the highest temperatures and the most sunshine the further west you are on monday. the same is also true on tuesday when it could be quite a cloudy start for many of us across the south of the uk. as the week wears on, the area of high pressure, keeping us dry and settled will gradually drift its way further eastwards, introducing more of a south easterly wind into southeastern areas of england in particular. so here the temperatures could start to climb and there's a depression out in the atlantic that could give a few showers to the south west of england, too, and possibly a bit more in the way of high cloud. but here's the outlook for our capital cities. as you can see, for the vast majority of us, the sunshine continues and temperatures will start to rise.
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live from london. this is bbc news. 288 people are now known to have died, and 1,000 are injured, in india's deadliest train crash this century. india's prime minister nahendra modi visited the crash site and victims at a nearby hospital where he vowed to �*stringently punish' those responsible. 31 arrests made over the epsom derby, where one suspected animal rights activist managed to run onto the track. british vogue editor edward enninful is stepping down after six years in charge of the fashion magazine, to take a more senior role at its parent company conde nast.
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