a number brought by prince harry and a number of other_ brought by prince harry and a number of other claimants and the threshold is lower. _ of other claimants and the threshold is lower. as — of other claimants and the threshold is lower, as you rightly say, the burden— is lower, as you rightly say, the burden of— is lower, as you rightly say, the burden of proof is on prince harry and he _ burden of proof is on prince harry and he has — burden of proof is on prince harry and he has to prove it. as you mentioned _ and he has to prove it. as you mentioned we have heard it many times— mentioned we have heard it many times in— mentioned we have heard it many times in the witness box as he was being _ times in the witness box as he was being cross—examined by the barrister— being cross—examined by the barrister for the publisher, being cross—examined by the barristerforthe publisher, he barrister for the publisher, he often — barristerforthe publisher, he often said, why don't you ask the journalists, — often said, why don't you ask the journalists, it is not myjob as a witness — journalists, it is not myjob as a witness to— journalists, it is not myjob as a witness to help you understand how that information was obtained and whether— that information was obtained and whether it — that information was obtained and whether it was unlawful or not, but it is up— whether it was unlawful or not, but it is up to _ whether it was unlawful or not, but it is up to prince harry to prove it and that— it is up to prince harry to prove it and that is— it is up to prince harry to prove it and that is what he has been trying to do— and that is what he has been trying to do over— and that is what he has been trying to do over the last couple of days in court. — to do over the last couple of days in court, trying to back up all of these _ in court, trying to back up all of these claims with evidence. he talks attout— these claims with evidence. he talks about there being data, that he can prove _ about there being data, that he can prove it _ about there being data, that he can prove it that way, he talks about his suspicions, the detail on those artides— his suspicions, the detail on those articles which he says can only have come _ articles which he says can only have come from — articles which he says can only have come from one place, unlawful

niethods— come from one place, unlawful methods of newsgathering. i don't love our— methods of newsgathering. i don't love our viewers can see here the helicopter— love our viewers can see here the helicopter flying overhead, —— love our viewers can see here the helicopterflying overhead, —— i don't— helicopterflying overhead, —— i don't know— helicopterflying overhead, —— i don't know if our viewers can hear the helicopter flying overhead because prince harry is expected out but right— because prince harry is expected out but right now he is listening to another— but right now he is listening to another witness being cross—examined so he _ another witness being cross—examined so he might— another witness being cross—examined so he might stay all afternoon. fine so he might stay all afternoon. one ofthe so he might stay all afternoon. one of the risks — so he might stay all afternoon. one of the risks you _ so he might stay all afternoon. one; of the risks you pointed so he might stay all afternoon. (he: of the risks you pointed out so he might stay all afternoon. i9: of the risks you pointed out was so he might stay all afternoon. i9 of the risks you pointed out was the possibility of information coming out about the royal family that could possibly be embarrassing or damaging but that has not happened that there was probably a sigh of relief about that? i do that there was probably a sigh of relief about that?— relief about that? i do not think there has been _ relief about that? i do not think there has been anything - relief about that? i do not think i there has been anything damaging relief about that? i do not think - there has been anything damaging to there has been anything damaging to the royal— there has been anything damaging to the royal family that has come out of this _ the royal family that has come out of this if— the royal family that has come out of this. if members of the royal family— of this. if members of the royal family have been following proceedings are watching the coverage they probably would have done it _ coverage they probably would have done it with much anxiety, wondering what might— done it with much anxiety, wondering what might come out of this two days where _ what might come out of this two days where prince harry has been answering some pretty tough

questions but nothing damaging. but yesterday— questions but nothing damaging. but yesterday we heard in his witness statement which came out in court in the morning — statement which came out in court in the morning that prince harry not only attacked the press in this country— only attacked the press in this country but also the government, not something _ country but also the government, not something a — country but also the government, not something a member of the royal family— something a member of the royal family does and wants to be seen to be doing _ family does and wants to be seen to be doing but he criticised the government yesterday as well as the press _ government yesterday as well as the press as— government yesterday as well as the press as a _ government yesterday as well as the press as a whole, but particularly the tabloid newspapers, that is who he has _ the tabloid newspapers, that is who he has an— the tabloid newspapers, that is who he has an issue with and as we know he has an issue with and as we know he is _ he has an issue with and as we know he is on _ he has an issue with and as we know he is on a _ he has an issue with and as we know he is on a mission to try to prove his case — he is on a mission to try to prove his case in— he is on a mission to try to prove his case in court, but there are also _ his case in court, but there are also other— his case in court, but there are also other complainants in this case _ also other complainants in this case. . , , ., case. that is quite interesting how that has translated, _ case. that is quite interesting how that has translated, some - case. that is quite interesting how that has translated, some peoplel case. that is quite interesting how. that has translated, some people in social media seeing this as a fight, but with this witness statement earlier which we got yesterday he said i believe it does not matter if

you are a public figure at this point, if you are of public interest to the press, you become a target, a victim of the system. the fact there are other claimants, the fact people i think are really gathering around his message that there may be a problem here, he might be tapping into an audience that wants to hear what he is saying.— into an audience that wants to hear what he is saying. there will always be --eole what he is saying. there will always be peeple closely — what he is saying. there will always be people closely watching - what he is saying. there will always be people closely watching every i be people closely watching every word of— be people closely watching every word of what prince harry says in court. _ word of what prince harry says in court. and — word of what prince harry says in court, and he has widened it, not only— court, and he has widened it, not only has— court, and he has widened it, not only has he — court, and he has widened it, not only has he come to court to tell very— only has he come to court to tell very publicly about all of the distress _ very publicly about all of the distress caused by all of those articles. — distress caused by all of those articles, and he mentioned earlier in court _ articles, and he mentioned earlier in court how— articles, and he mentioned earlier in court how it has been really difficult — in court how it has been really difficult for him to take up these articles— difficult for him to take up these articles and go through them because they caused him paranoia, they had a hu-e they caused him paranoia, they had a huge impact — they caused him paranoia, they had a huge impact on his relationships and he became _ huge impact on his relationships and he became incredibly suspicious and

he became incredibly suspicious and he said _ he became incredibly suspicious and he said that at a really young age, going _ he said that at a really young age, going through all that was incredibly difficult for him, and it has clearly— incredibly difficult for him, and it has clearly been very difficult for him in _ has clearly been very difficult for him in court. he got emotional before — him in court. he got emotional before he _ him in court. he got emotional before he finished as he was questioned by his barrister. let me bring _ questioned by his barrister. let me bring you _ questioned by his barrister. let me bring you a — questioned by his barrister. let me bring you a little more from the last couple of minutes from inside the courtroom, from our colleague tom symonds who has a seat in the main _ tom symonds who has a seat in the main courtroom. he says prince harry is sitting _ main courtroom. he says prince harry is sitting next— main courtroom. he says prince harry is sitting next to his lawyers and listening — is sitting next to his lawyers and listening to a former reporter about whose _ listening to a former reporter about whose stories he is suing. so prince harry— whose stories he is suing. so prince harry in— whose stories he is suing. so prince harry in the — whose stories he is suing. so prince harry in the courtroom at the moment, _ harry in the courtroom at the moment, in the witness box is one of the reporters— moment, in the witness box is one of the reporters who wrote stories about _ the reporters who wrote stories about prince harry that he so that is a big _ about prince harry that he so that is a big moment in court for prince harry _ is a big moment in court for prince harry. jane — is a big moment in court for prince harry. jane kerr is currently being

questioned, then mirror's royal reporter— questioned, then mirror's royal reporter and a corresponding between 1997 and _ reporter and a corresponding between 1997 and 2005 and she has been challenged in court by prince harry's — challenged in court by prince harry's barrister david sherborne asking _ harry's barrister david sherborne asking her — harry's barrister david sherborne asking her why she had to be ordered to come _ asking her why she had to be ordered to come to _ asking her why she had to be ordered to come to court by the church and why she _ to come to court by the church and why she did — to come to court by the church and why she did not mention in her witness — why she did not mention in her witness statement that she became the assistant news editor of the paper— the assistant news editor of the paper in— the assistant news editor of the paper in 2006. mr scherpen saying she is— paper in 2006. mr scherpen saying she is trying to distance herself from _ she is trying to distance herself from the — she is trying to distance herself from the paper, so prince harry sticking — from the paper, so prince harry sticking around for this evidence, tistening — sticking around for this evidence, listening to a formerjournalist who wrote _ listening to a formerjournalist who wrote some of the stories about him who he _ wrote some of the stories about him who he has— wrote some of the stories about him who he has taken issue with in the courtroom — who he has taken issue with in the courtroom right now, i suspect he might— courtroom right now, i suspect he might stay— courtroom right now, i suspect he might stay there all afternoon to hear that — might stay there all afternoon to hear that evidence. it might stay there all afternoon to hear that evidence.— hear that evidence. it certainly looks like _ hear that evidence. it certainly looks like that _ hear that evidence. it certainly looks like that for _ hear that evidence. it certainly looks like that for now. - hear that evidence. it certainly looks like that for now. thank| hear that evidence. it certainly i looks like that for now. thank you very much. _ looks like that for now. thank you very much, helena _ looks like that for now. thank you very much, helena wilkinson. - looks like that for now. thank you | very much, helena wilkinson. the press had gathered after we had

heard prince harry had finished as part of the cross examination, because there was speculation he might been coming out, but as helena mentioned it might seem he is continuing to listen to the witnesses coming on after him, he is still in the courtroom. i would like to discuss some of the legal aspects of this ongoing case, and for that we can cross to the newsroom and we will speak tojoshua we can cross to the newsroom and we will speak to joshua rozenberg, we can cross to the newsroom and we will speak tojoshua rozenberg, who is there for us. thank you very much forjoining us. very interested to hear what you mated the exchange between prince harry and his own barrister, david sherborne? that was david sherborne _ barrister, david sherborne? that was david sherborne trying _ barrister, david sherborne? that was david sherborne trying to _ barrister, david sherborne? that was david sherborne trying to in - barrister, david sherborne? that was david sherborne trying to in some - david sherborne trying to in some way fitt— david sherborne trying to in some way fill in — david sherborne trying to in some way fill in and correct the record, and the _ way fill in and correct the record, and the very end of his re—examination as it is called, prince — re—examination as it is called, prince harry said what he has

clearly — prince harry said what he has clearly wanted to say, for my whole life the _ clearly wanted to say, for my whole life the press have misled me, cupboard — life the press have misled me, cupboard of wrongdoing, so to be sitting _ cupboard of wrongdoing, so to be sitting in— cupboard of wrongdoing, so to be sitting in court knowing the defence has the _ sitting in court knowing the defence has the evidence in front of them and the _ has the evidence in front of them and the publisher's lawyer says i'm speculating, i'm not entirely sure what _ speculating, i'm not entirely sure what to— speculating, i'm not entirely sure what to say— speculating, i'm not entirely sure what to say about that —— for my whole _ what to say about that —— for my whole life — what to say about that —— for my whole life the press have misled me, covered _ whole life the press have misled me, covered up— whole life the press have misled me, covered up wrongdoing. he does not regard _ covered up wrongdoing. he does not regard himself as speculating which was the _ regard himself as speculating which was the firm point to him before the lunch— was the firm point to him before the lunch adjournment. andrew green for the mirror— lunch adjournment. andrew green for the mirror as— lunch adjournment. andrew green for the mirror as saying you have no evidence — the mirror as saying you have no evidence and can't prove it. we also had the _ evidence and can't prove it. we also had the judge saying, when did you become _ had the judge saying, when did you become aware of these phone hacking techniques? prince harry says, from the moment— techniques? prince harry says, from the moment i meaning the time he went to _ the moment i meaning the time he went to eton as a teenager. at the judge — went to eton as a teenager. at the judge asked, did this continue through— judge asked, did this continue through the period? he said, it never— through the period? he said, it

never stopped. that may be important evidence _ never stopped. that may be important evidence and that it is being relied on by— evidence and that it is being relied on by prince harry for the length of time he _ on by prince harry for the length of time he says this phone hacking has been going — time he says this phone hacking has been going on. jane kerr is in the witness _ been going on. jane kerr is in the witness box, she is described as a communications consultant but as you rightly— communications consultant but as you rightly said _ communications consultant but as you rightly said she was at the mirror. she was— rightly said she was at the mirror. she was going through a lot of the article _ she was going through a lot of the article is _ she was going through a lot of the article is prince harry referred to, she has— article is prince harry referred to, she has published a written witness statement just she has published a written witness statementjust as prince she has published a written witness statement just as prince harry did, she says _ statement just as prince harry did, she says obviously these stories were _ she says obviously these stories were a _ she says obviously these stories were a long time ago and she cannot recall— were a long time ago and she cannot recall them _ were a long time ago and she cannot recall them well, and to take one e>

with a _ source and she has a joint byline with a crime correspondent so it is tikeiy— with a crime correspondent so it is likely that — with a crime correspondent so it is likely that it came from one of the crime _ likely that it came from one of the crime correspondence's contacts. another— crime correspondence's contacts. another story about kissing disease, possibly— another story about kissing disease, possibly this came from a member of the principles my communication team~ _ the principles my communication team. another story about eton came from the _ team. another story about eton came from the official interview with the press _ from the official interview with the press association. another one from australia, _ press association. another one from australia, the quotes appear to have come _ australia, the quotes appear to have come from _ australia, the quotes appear to have come from the st james palace press spokesman — come from the st james palace press spokesman. another one, beach bum harry. _ spokesman. another one, beach bum harry. i— spokesman. another one, beach bum harry ican't— spokesman. another one, beach bum harry, i can't recall the story but it was— harry, i can't recall the story but it was a — harry, i can't recall the story but it was a picture caption and so on, she says _ it was a picture caption and so on, she says the — it was a picture caption and so on, she says the palace had already disclosed the duration of his visit. so she _ disclosed the duration of his visit. so she is— disclosed the duration of his visit. so she is going through all those stories— so she is going through all those stories and trying to indicate that they came — stories and trying to indicate that they came from legitimate sources. when _ they came from legitimate sources. when she _ they came from legitimate sources. when she says money was paid to somebody— when she says money was paid to somebody else for information, she said one _ somebody else for information, she said one person was very good at finding _ said one person was very good at finding phone numbers, perhaps

ex—directory and mobile, she did not know— ex—directory and mobile, she did not know how— ex—directory and mobile, she did not know how that person obtained amber was very— know how that person obtained amber was very happy to pay a source for a phone _ was very happy to pay a source for a phone number of somebody she wanted to contact— phone number of somebody she wanted to contact -- _ phone number of somebody she wanted to contact —— did not know how those person _ to contact —— did not know how those person obtained the numbers but it was very— person obtained the numbers but it was very happy. if person obtained the numbers but it was very happy-— was very happy. if we can cast our minds back— was very happy. if we can cast our minds back to _ was very happy. if we can cast our minds back to when _ was very happy. if we can cast our minds back to when prince - was very happy. if we can cast our minds back to when prince harry i was very happy. if we can cast our. minds back to when prince harry was still in the witness box, i wonder how you would say the court will view this claim he made that he found a tracking device on his ex—girlfriends chelsy�*s car, to the casual observer that seems damning, but how will the court view that? the court i am sure will accept the truth _ the court i am sure will accept the truth of— the court i am sure will accept the truth of what he says. prince harry alleges _ truth of what he says. prince harry alleges that tracking device was placed — alleges that tracking device was placed by a private investigator, he says one _ placed by a private investigator, he says one of — placed by a private investigator, he says one of his friends also found a tracking _ says one of his friends also found a

tracking device. the question is whether— tracking device. the question is whether that tracking device can be linked _ whether that tracking device can be linked to— whether that tracking device can be linked to the mirror. did the mirror order— linked to the mirror. did the mirror order this _ linked to the mirror. did the mirror order this tracking device to be provided? _ order this tracking device to be provided? was that unlawful? was the mirror— provided? was that unlawful? was the mirror aware of this? who are the mirror— mirror aware of this? who are the mirror would have been aware of it, if anybody? — mirror would have been aware of it, if anybody? it is these links between _ if anybody? it is these links between the defendant in this case, mirror— between the defendant in this case, mirror group newspapers, and the claims, _ mirror group newspapers, and the claims, but — mirror group newspapers, and the claims, but also significant. if there — claims, but also significant. if there is— claims, but also significant. if there is no— claims, but also significant. if there is no link between the two then— there is no link between the two then the — there is no link between the two then the mirror can say we did not know, _ then the mirror can say we did not know. we — then the mirror can say we did not know, we wouldn't have authorised it. know, we wouldn't have authorised it to _ know, we wouldn't have authorised it to use _ know, we wouldn't have authorised it to use a — know, we wouldn't have authorised it. to use a lawyer's phrase, this was _ it. to use a lawyer's phrase, this was somebody on the frolic of their own doing — was somebody on the frolic of their own doing something that was not authorised because they would have thought— authorised because they would have thought that would have been what was wanted. the church has to weigh up was wanted. the church has to weigh up not _ was wanted. the church has to weigh up notjust_ was wanted. the church has to weigh up notjust what prince harry has said for— up notjust what prince harry has said for the — up notjust what prince harry has said for the last day and a half in court _ said for the last day and a half in court but — said for the last day and a half in court but all the other evidence —— the judge —

court but all the other evidence —— the judge has to. circumstantial evidence — the judge has to. circumstantial evidence can be very reliable, it can be _ evidence can be very reliable, it can be more reliable than oral evidence — can be more reliable than oral evidence because if you have documents and physical prove it can be very— documents and physical prove it can be very compelling, so these are things— be very compelling, so these are things thatjudge has be very compelling, so these are things that judge has to weigh up, but if— things that judge has to weigh up, but if you — things that judge has to weigh up, but if you look at what prince harry said at _ but if you look at what prince harry said at the — but if you look at what prince harry said at the end of his evidence just before _ said at the end of his evidence just before lunch, he was asked, are you claiming _ before lunch, he was asked, are you claiming damages on the basis your phone _ claiming damages on the basis your phone was— claiming damages on the basis your phone was hacked on a daily basis? he says. _ phone was hacked on a daily basis? he says. it— phone was hacked on a daily basis? he says, it could have been, i simply— he says, it could have been, i simply don't know, my lord, that is part of— simply don't know, my lord, that is part of the — simply don't know, my lord, that is part of the reason i am here. that is not _ part of the reason i am here. that is not the — part of the reason i am here. that is not the most useful evidence for him to— is not the most useful evidence for him to say. — is not the most useful evidence for him to say. i— is not the most useful evidence for him to say, i don't know, but equally— him to say, i don't know, but equally it— him to say, i don't know, but equally it explains why he is so interested in watching jane kerr -ive interested in watching jane kerr give the — interested in watching jane kerr give the evidence and being cross—examined by prince harry's own barrister, _ cross—examined by prince harry's own barrister, david sherborne. why would he say — barrister, david sherborne. why would he say he _ barrister, david sherborne. m'i’g would he say he does barrister, david sherborne. "i1: would he say he does not know, to shift the burden to the other side? he says he does not know because he

does not _ he says he does not know because he does not know and i am sure he would like to— does not know and i am sure he would like to shift _ does not know and i am sure he would like to shift the other side, you can't _ like to shift the other side, you can't do — like to shift the other side, you can't do that. he has to prove what he asserts — can't do that. he has to prove what he asserts. he is the claimant in this case, — he asserts. he is the claimant in this case, he has to demonstrate the truth of— this case, he has to demonstrate the truth of what he claims. it is all very— truth of what he claims. it is all very well— truth of what he claims. it is all very well rhetorically to say they must _ very well rhetorically to say they must have — very well rhetorically to say they must have an answer and why are they not providing _ must have an answer and why are they not providing it, and now we see they— not providing it, and now we see they are. — not providing it, and now we see they are. it— not providing it, and now we see they are, it is quite detailed but it ties _ they are, it is quite detailed but it ties in — they are, it is quite detailed but it ties in with i was not responsible for any unlawful behaviour, i did not do anything improper— behaviour, i did not do anything improper and the stories could have come _ improper and the stories could have come from — improper and the stories could have come from all sorts of legitimate forms _ come from all sorts of legitimate forms. how that response from jane kerr stands, — forms. how that response from jane kerr stands, that is what we will see _ kerr stands, that is what we will see. . , :, : :, , see. that tension continues throughout _ see. that tension continues throughout this _ see. that tension continues throughout this trial. - see. that tension continues throughout this trial. thankj see. that tension continues - throughout this trial. thank you very much, joshua rozenberg, legal analyst. you are watching bbc news, i'm nancy kacungira from outside the

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