this is bbc news. the headlines: president zelensky says hundreds of thousands of people have been left without drinking water after the attack on a dam in southern ukraine. vladimir putin has blamed kyiv for the destruction, calling it "barbaric". prince harry has told the high court in london that phone hacking was carried out on an industrial scale across the british press, who then destroyed the evidence. rishi sunak is in washington, the start of a two day week. —— two day visit. he laid a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier and will visit. he laid a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier and will meet later with joe of the unknown soldier and will meet later withjoe biden. let me take you back to the pictures in central london, we are awaiting the departure of prince harry after the

conclusion of his evidence giving session, day two of all of that. the press assembled at the doorway is, the reporters and camera crews, because the prince has been watching some of the other witnesses being cross—examined in the last little while. we expect him to depart after a second day of cross examination at the high court, just like yesterday going through so many of the 33 articles they are focusing on, with the princess saying the critical information had to come from phone hacking and the cross examination for mirror group newspapers saying they could have come from several legitimate other ways. that tussle has been going on both yesterday and today. of course, we expect to see his departure and the case itself

continues because the prince, of course, one of four people bringing this test case and they will be going through similar articles and evidence with the other three, but so much attention on the prince, his witness statement yesterday detailed at length the impact he said that phone hacking and scrutiny has had on his life and the trauma. he said there had been scrutiny since his birth, hejoked about his phone being hacked since he was sent to eton —— he talked about his phone the impact. he laid out the impact that had had on his life, with the stresses, he said he became paranoid, did not know who he could actually trust, and he blames much of that on stories ending up in the press, he said he did not know if it

was friends around him who had leaked stories and in subsequent years he came to the conclusion it was phone hacking that was the source of these stories. that is what he has maintained, that is his case. we had spoken with a variety of our legal experts about the burden of proof, what he has to demonstrate thejudge, burden of proof, what he has to demonstrate the judge, that continued this conversation with a legal commentator who joins me continued this conversation with a legal commentator whojoins me in legal commentator who joins me in the legal commentator whojoins me in the studio. he has represented people in claims of phone hacking against mirror group newspapers in the past. gerald, as this comes to the past. gerald, as this comes to the conclusion of day two, prince harry has finished his evidence session, what are your headline thoughts? session, what are your headline thou . hts? ., session, what are your headline thoughts?— session, what are your headline thou~hts? ., ., , thoughts? how well he did. he was honest, thoughts? how well he did. he was honest. clear _ thoughts? how well he did. he was honest, clear and _ thoughts? how well he did. he was honest, clear and concise, - thoughts? how well he did. he was honest, clear and concise, when i thoughts? how well he did. he was honest, clear and concise, when he did not know and he said so. i was concerned about whether he would

cope with what turned out to be almost seven hours of cross—examination, no mean feat, but he has been on the front line in a war so this probably fail no pales in comparison, but nevertheless it was probably difficult —— so there's probably pales in comparison. talk to me about— probably pales in comparison. talk to me about burden of proof, what has to happen for a judge to say that he has proved his case. the burden is with _ that he has proved his case. tue: burden is with the that he has proved his case. tte: burden is with the claimants, they have to prove to what is known as the balance of probabilities, is it more likely or not that he was hacked? it is different from the criminal standard where you must be absolutely sure, so it is a lot easier for claimants to bring a absolutely sure, so it is a lot easierfor claimants to bring a case in that sense. the evidence brought forward, you could argue the mirror have not come forward with any substantive journalists, have not come forward with any substantivejournalists, piers substantive journalists, piers morgan has substantivejournalists, piers morgan has not been seen anywhere.

the counterpoint that the qc for the mirror group newspaper has constantly put is you can make these claims but where is your proof? you can say this is intrusive, this is scrutiny, but where is the proof the story came from phone hacking? that is the nub of what mirror group newspapers have said. t is the nub of what mirror group newspapers have said. i understand that, but there _ newspapers have said. i understand that, but there are _ newspapers have said. i understand that, but there are three _ that, but there are three components. one is called data which you get in relation to the phone numbers of prince harry, then you could link up with private investigator invoices. you then have the source, a story running around at the same time, it will say sources close to all people from the palace all friends or acquaintances of, when you stitch that together you get a pretty powerful case that your phone was hacked. t fiitt you get a pretty powerful case that your phone was hacked. i will come back to those _ your phone was hacked. i will come back to those thoughts _ your phone was hacked. i will come back to those thoughts and - your phone was hacked. i will come back to those thoughts and wider .

back to those thoughts and wider thoughts in a moment, but as we continue to watch these pictures, let me bring in our correspondents helena wilkinson who has been there throughout today and yesterday. take us through the sorts of things that prince harry has been listening to, his evidence finished in a while back but he has been listening in a court? , . ., , , court? yes, prince harry finished his evidence _ court? yes, prince harry finished his evidence at _ court? yes, prince harry finished his evidence at around _ court? yes, prince harry finished his evidence at around 2:30pm, | court? yes, prince harry finished l his evidence at around 2:30pm, he spent _ his evidence at around 2:30pm, he spent in _ his evidence at around 2:30pm, he spent in total about seven, seven and a _ spent in total about seven, seven and a half— spent in total about seven, seven and a half hours in the witness box, and a half hours in the witness box, and the _ and a half hours in the witness box, and the majority of that time he was under_ and the majority of that time he was under cross— and the majority of that time he was under cross examination for the mirror_ under cross examination for the mirror group, so i suspect he is breathing — mirror group, so i suspect he is breathing a _ mirror group, so i suspect he is breathing a sigh of relief now that is oven _ breathing a sigh of relief now that is oven he — breathing a sigh of relief now that is over. he kept his cool and answered _ is over. he kept his cool and answered questions put to him, and pretty— answered questions put to him, and pretty tough questioning, the barrister for the other side is highly— barrister for the other side is highly skilled and hisjob is to

undermine prince harry's case. you asked _ undermine prince harry's case. you asked what— undermine prince harry's case. you asked what happened this afternoon when prince harry finished his evidence, _ when prince harry finished his evidence, the court has heard from another_ evidence, the court has heard from another witness called by mirror group _ another witness called by mirror group newspapers, the publisher who prince _ group newspapers, the publisher who prince harry is suing for damages, for breach— prince harry is suing for damages, for breach of privacy, a lady called jane kerr— for breach of privacy, a lady called jane kerr who is the daily mirror's former_ jane kerr who is the daily mirror's former royal editor and it is some of her_ former royal editor and it is some of her stories that she was working on that_ of her stories that she was working on that prince harry has taken issue with, _ on that prince harry has taken issue with. some — on that prince harry has taken issue with, some of the stories in which she said _ with, some of the stories in which she said the — with, some of the stories in which she said the details are details obtained — she said the details are details obtained by unlawful newsgathering including phone hacking. she was really— including phone hacking. she was really tested by prince harry's lawyer— really tested by prince harry's lawyer as _ really tested by prince harry's lawyer as she was giving evidence from _ lawyer as she was giving evidence from the — lawyer as she was giving evidence from the witness box and she was pushed _ from the witness box and she was pushed on — from the witness box and she was pushed on an issue about phone bills and asked _ pushed on an issue about phone bills and asked about somebody puts my private _ and asked about somebody puts my private telephone bills, she said

she was— private telephone bills, she said she was not sure whether it was lawful— she was not sure whether it was lawful to — she was not sure whether it was lawful to get hold of someone's private — lawful to get hold of someone's private telephone bill and the exchange in court between her and the barrister for prince harry, she said i'm _ the barrister for prince harry, she said i'm sorry, i really don't know if it is— said i'm sorry, i really don't know if it is unlawful or not, she denied obtaining — if it is unlawful or not, she denied obtaining cell —— phone bills. absolutely not, she said, i have never— absolutely not, she said, i have never obtained a phone bill, nor have _ never obtained a phone bill, nor have i_ never obtained a phone bill, nor have i seen— never obtained a phone bill, nor have i seen one. and she was pushed on the _ have i seen one. and she was pushed on the issue — have i seen one. and she was pushed on the issue of private investigators. private investigators are something central to prince harry's— are something central to prince harry's case, we know about the phone _ harry's case, we know about the phone hacking allegations and she also accuses the newspapers, the publisher— also accuses the newspapers, the publisher come using private investigators, so in the witness box eariier— investigators, so in the witness box earlier the — investigators, so in the witness box earlier the former royal editor of the daily— earlier the former royal editor of the daily mirrorjane kerr was put under— the daily mirrorjane kerr was put under pressure in court by prince harry's— under pressure in court by prince harry's lawyer and was asked about private _ harry's lawyer and was asked about private investigators. she said, i wouidn't— private investigators. she said, i wouldn't have expected them to do anything _ wouldn't have expected them to do

anything illegal. prince harry's lawyer— anything illegal. prince harry's lawyer fired back, did you close your— lawyer fired back, did you close your eyes— lawyer fired back, did you close your eyes and ears? she responded, they were _ your eyes and ears? she responded, they were people who provided you with stories and she said she did not know— with stories and she said she did not know how they obtained information. prince harry's lawyer replied, _ information. prince harry's lawyer replied, you did not care. that evidence — replied, you did not care. that evidence has concluded, you can probably— evidence has concluded, you can probably see barristers, probably in unrelated _ probably see barristers, probably in unrelated cases, coming out of the court _ unrelated cases, coming out of the court building, but we expect prince harry— court building, but we expect prince harry to _ court building, but we expect prince harry to emerge fairly shortly, to -et harry to emerge fairly shortly, to get into— harry to emerge fairly shortly, to get into a — harry to emerge fairly shortly, to get into a car. we will get information when he is about to leave _ information when he is about to leave because the car will pull up outside _ leave because the car will pull up outside the entrance to the courtroom, he will be whisked out very briefiy — courtroom, he will be whisked out very briefly and i suspect breathing a sigh _ very briefly and i suspect breathing a sigh of— very briefly and i suspect breathing a sigh of relief that this is all over— a sigh of relief that this is all over in— a sigh of relief that this is all over in terms of his evidence and he will have _ over in terms of his evidence and he will have to — over in terms of his evidence and he will have to wait quite a while before — will have to wait quite a while before the judgment is handed down try before the judgment is handed down by the _ before the judgment is handed down by the judge. before the judgment is handed down by the judge-— by thejudge. helene, i am flicking throu~h by thejudge. helene, i am flicking through some _ by thejudge. helene, i am flicking through some of _ by thejudge. helene, i am flicking through some of the _ by thejudge. helene, i am flicking through some of the article - by thejudge. helene, i am flicking through some of the article is - by thejudge. helene, i am flicking

through some of the article is the l through some of the article is the prince talked about, that was questioning about the breakdown of his relationship with chelsy davy, several articles related to that. certainly the prince was putting forward the notion that the papers were quoting royal sources, and he said the only source of information of the level of detail about length of the level of detail about length of phone conversation said such could only have come from actually hacking his or chelsy davy�*s phone? it is notjust his phone he is accusing _ it is notjust his phone he is accusing the publisher and the journalists working for the newspaper that was hacked, he alleges — newspaper that was hacked, he alleges chelsy davy, a former girlfriend of prince harry, they dated — girlfriend of prince harry, they dated on— girlfriend of prince harry, they dated on and off for a number of years. _ dated on and off for a number of years, prince harry is accusing the publisher— years, prince harry is accusing the publisher of— years, prince harry is accusing the publisher of phone hacking her phone, — publisher of phone hacking her phone, intercepting voice mail messages. there has been a theme throughout— messages. there has been a theme throughout his evidence today and

yesterday, the detail as you mentioned in these newspaper articles. — mentioned in these newspaper articles, and these articles at the heart _ articles, and these articles at the heart of— articles, and these articles at the heart of his— articles, and these articles at the heart of his case could be his personal— heart of his case could be his personal life, his school life at eton, — personal life, his school life at eton, his — personal life, his school life at eton, his time in the army too, he says— eton, his time in the army too, he says the _ eton, his time in the army too, he says the specifics in those articles. _ says the specifics in those articles, the detail, the times of the conversation could only have come _ the conversation could only have come from — the conversation could only have come from illegal, unlawful newsgathering methods. that is something the publisher has denied. we also _ something the publisher has denied. we also heard earlier this afternoon from prince — we also heard earlier this afternoon from prince harry, who told the court _ from prince harry, who told the court he — from prince harry, who told the court he once found a tracking device — court he once found a tracking device on— court he once found a tracking device on the car belonging to his ex—girlfriend chelsy davy. at the time _ ex—girlfriend chelsy davy. at the time the — ex—girlfriend chelsy davy. at the time the newspapers were interested in running _ time the newspapers were interested in running a _ time the newspapers were interested in running a make or break story about— in running a make or break story about a — in running a make or break story about a holiday that prince harry had had — about a holiday that prince harry had had with chelsy davy, prince harry— had had with chelsy davy, prince harry alleges it was placed by a

private — harry alleges it was placed by a private investigator. the allegation as he _ private investigator. the allegation as he found a tracking device on the car belonging to his ex—girlfriend chelsy— car belonging to his ex—girlfriend chelsy davy, not only that but a friend _ chelsy davy, not only that but a friend of— chelsy davy, not only that but a friend of his also found a tracking device _ friend of his also found a tracking device on— friend of his also found a tracking device on his car too.— device on his car too. helena, i will come _ device on his car too. helena, i will come back— device on his car too. helena, i will come back to _ device on his car too. helena, i will come back to gerald - device on his car too. helena, i i will come back to gerald shamash device on his car too. helena, i - will come back to gerald shamash in the studio in a moment, but that is what the duke of sussex, in terms of his evidence, has said. there have been robust exchanges between him and andrew green in the court itself. in terms of the lawyer for mirror group newspapers, how robust was he in terms of pushing back, demanding evidence of the links, so in any of the scenario is the prince as saying the constant questioning appears to be, what is the exact link to phone hacking?— appears to be, what is the exact link to phone hacking? exactly, but it's something _ link to phone hacking? exactly, but it's something prince _ link to phone hacking? exactly, but it's something prince harry - link to phone hacking? exactly, but it's something prince harry has - link to phone hacking? exactly, but it's something prince harry has had to try to prove in this case, what

is the exact link? prince harry has come to court and faced a very tough questioning from the barrister for the mirror group, there barrister under cross examination in hisjob is to try to undermine prince harry's case and his credibility as a witness. he has been saying to prince harry, the information you are suggesting came from unlawful methods of newsgathering could actually have come from a buckingham palace source, a press release from buckingham palace, it could have come from friends or family of prince harry, so he was really putting that forward today and yesterday to prince harry. prince harry pushing back and saying it can't have been, these are really specific details, the only way they could have got that information was using unlawful methods of newsgathering, including phone hacking, and the focus this

afternoon really was newspaper articles concerning prince harry's relationship with chelsy davy some years ago, which we know came to an end because of what was described as acts of harassment, the couple faced really intense media scrutiny and every move ended up in the newspapers. every move ended up in the newspapers-— every move ended up in the newspapers. every move ended up in the news--aers. ., , . ~ newspapers. helena, iwill be back to ou newspapers. helena, iwill be back to you and — newspapers. helena, iwill be back to you and a _ newspapers. helena, iwill be back to you and a moment _ newspapers. helena, iwill be back to you and a moment or _ newspapers. helena, iwill be back to you and a moment or two, - newspapers. helena, iwill be back to you and a moment or two, we i to you and a moment or two, we continue to watch a variety of feeds of pictures from the helicopter to every angle on thatjob before the cameras trained on edge, you can see a glimpse of some of the pack of journalists because internationally this story is gaining huge interest as the prince takes on the tabloid press, he has spoken so many times in his book and the interview with oprah winfrey about his belief about how the british tabloid press has continued to overstep the limits, the boundaries, the impact that has had on his life, determined not to

have a settlement in a case, as we had seen that so many other clients, but to take this all the way to the courts, and he has done that, he has given evidence. that has concluded, the case is going on but gerald shamash it will be before there is a conclusion in anyjudgment, but for people tuning in and watching these pictures, it is notjust prince harry bringing this case, it is a test case of four different cases. how does that work? aha, test case of four different cases. how does that work?— test case of four different cases. how does that work? a 'udge will look at than t how does that work? a 'udge will look at than in h how does that work? a 'udge will look at than in the _ how does that work? a judge will look at than in the round - how does that work? a judge will look at than in the round of - how does that work? a judge will look at than in the round of the i look at than in the round of the whole — look at than in the round of the whole issue about phone hacking, whether— whole issue about phone hacking, whether he believes the evidence put forward _ whether he believes the evidence put forward by— whether he believes the evidence put forward by the mirror as a defence or whether— forward by the mirror as a defence or whether he prefers the evidence given— or whether he prefers the evidence given on— or whether he prefers the evidence given on behalf of the individuals, he will— given on behalf of the individuals, he will look at each individual case and make — he will look at each individual case and make a — he will look at each individual case and make a judgment in relation to each of— and make a judgment in relation to each of those. one thing it is worth

picking _ each of those. one thing it is worth picking up— each of those. one thing it is worth picking up on which came out of the report— picking up on which came out of the report from — picking up on which came out of the report from helena was ever a newspaper such as the daily mail produces — newspaper such as the daily mail produces a story, the argument from the defence — produces a story, the argument from the defence is that it was already in circulation, but prince harry and the others' — in circulation, but prince harry and the others' argument is that the news _ the others' argument is that the news desk at the daily mirror is saying — news desk at the daily mirror is saying that story, what is happening, we should get onto this? we have _ happening, we should get onto this? we have means of finding out and will write — we have means of finding out and will write the story and they will add bits — will write the story and they will add bits. it is a moving feast in a sense _ add bits. it is a moving feast in a sense. it— add bits. it is a moving feast in a sense. . . r . sense. it is what andrew green constantly _ sense. it is what andrew green constantly push _ sense. it is what andrew green constantly push back _ sense. it is what andrew green constantly push back on - sense. it is what andrew green constantly push back on and i sense. it is what andrew green i constantly push back on and said yesterday, we saw a couple of those exchanges where he simply said, so? when the prince talked about an article and imagine scrutiny, he pushed back and said, so? the emperor ben —— the implication was he had to prove a link between what he had to prove a link between what he was saying and phone hacking. t

he was saying and phone hacking. i believe he can do so, there was a paucity— believe he can do so, there was a paucity of— believe he can do so, there was a paucity of evidence, from the daily mirror— paucity of evidence, from the daily mirror we — paucity of evidence, from the daily mirror we have had mr vickers, paucity of evidence, from the daily mirrorwe have had mrvickers, one of the _ mirrorwe have had mrvickers, one of the senior— mirrorwe have had mrvickers, one of the senior officials, and mr bailey. — of the senior officials, and mr bailey. a _ of the senior officials, and mr bailey, a former editor. they don't have _ bailey, a former editor. they don't have to _ bailey, a former editor. they don't have to prove a negative but it is a church _ have to prove a negative but it is a church forming whether this is a credible — church forming whether this is a credible offence, whether you get senior— credible offence, whether you get senior people who have been put on a number— senior people who have been put on a number of— senior people who have been put on a number of questions that could not remember. — number of questions that could not remember, they are very senior executives _ remember, they are very senior executives. there was a wry comment from the _ executives. there was a wry comment from the judge he was quite troubled that the _ from the judge he was quite troubled that the memories did not seem as good _ that the memories did not seem as good as— that the memories did not seem as good as you would expect for somebody of that seniority. does the church _ somebody of that seniority. does the church believe phone hacking took place? _ church believe phone hacking took lace? . . church believe phone hacking took lace? ., , ., , church believe phone hacking took lace? ., , ., ., place? that is what it boils down to. place? that is what it boils down to- helena _ place? that is what it boils down to. helena referenced _ place? that is what it boils down to. helena referenced some - place? that is what it boils down to. helena referenced some of. place? that is what it boils down i to. helena referenced some of the questioning of one of the editors. how important do you think things like expenses, money paid to investigators, that side of things,

we had heard reference but had not seen it, everything has been about exchanges between the prince and the lawyers, we have not seen the documentation and do not know the trail we are following. t documentation and do not know the trail we are following.— trail we are following. i tried to exlain trail we are following. i tried to expiain early — trail we are following. i tried to explain early at _ trail we are following. i tried to explain early at the _ trail we are following. i tried to explain early at the business i trail we are following. i tried to - explain early at the business about the call— explain early at the business about the call data, the private investigator invoices and the newspaper articles. you could take the view— newspaper articles. you could take the view that if it looks like a duck— the view that if it looks like a duck and _ the view that if it looks like a duck and quacks like a jerk, it is almost — duck and quacks like a jerk, it is almost certainly a duck. we will have _ almost certainly a duck. we will have to — almost certainly a duck. we will have to wait patiently, there is at least _ have to wait patiently, there is at least another two or three weeks left in _ least another two or three weeks left in court. least another two or three weeks left in court-— left in court. let's head back to helena wilkinson _ left in court. let's head back to helena wilkinson at _ left in court. let's head back to helena wilkinson at the - left in court. let's head back to helena wilkinson at the court. | left in court. let's head back to - helena wilkinson at the court. paint the picture, you have been back there for the last couple of days. we have seen all of the scrutiny and camera crews and reporters outside, give us a little flavour of how things are inside the courtroom? brute

things are inside the courtroom? we have things are inside the courtroom? - have colleagues who have been inside the courtroom, to give you an idea of how the proceedings have been running, there is a main courtroom, it is not a traditional old bailey style courtroom, our colleague described it more like ikea, it is a bit clinical with modern furniture, prince harry over the last two days has been sat on a desk, a computer screen in front of him, quietly and calmly answering the questions that have been put to him such as —— that have been put to him such as —— that have been put to him such as —— that have been put to him. such is the huge interest that there has been an annex, another room setup for journalists, in which there has been a screen from which journalists have been able to the proceedings. where we are, outside, to my left and my right, which you probably can't see, are dozens of camera crews, reporters, notjust from the uk. we

have spoken to reporters from all across the world here to cover this story. opposite us throughout the day members of the public have come along to look and see what is going on. earliera number of along to look and see what is going on. earlier a number of students came, not knowing prince harry was in the court building giving evidence but were curious as to why there were so many cameras outside. just outside the entrance to the door, which i think you can see on screen at the moment, that is the entrance or the exit where prince harry will emerge, we expect, shortly. to the left and right of that you should expect to see dozens of camera crews set up, some on ladders, poised for the very best picture, but it is a pretty short walk from the door to the car that prince harry will get into so the photographers only have a matter of

seconds for them to take the best picture they can. i think the first sign we will get prince harry is about to emerge as the car will come along the road to the right of us, pull up outside the entrance and soon after that prince harry will get into the car and head off. i suspect probably straight back to california to go back to his family after a pretty gruelling couple of days for him. qt after a pretty gruelling couple of days for him-— days for him. of course, in the witness statement _ days for him. of course, in the witness statement yesterday, | days for him. of course, in the l witness statement yesterday, he witnessed it in terms of why he left the country, why he is now living in california, and blamed the level of press scrutiny and hacking as one of the reasons for that. in terms of that witness statement it really laid bare that it was lengthy and detailed in terms of the impact, the level of scrutiny has been on his life. . , ,., y level of scrutiny has been on his

life. . , y �* level of scrutiny has been on his life. absolutely. but witness statement — life. absolutely. but witness statement which _ life. absolutely. but witness statement which we - life. absolutely. but witness statement which we got - life. absolutely. but witness statement which we got a i life. absolutely. but witness i statement which we got a copy life. absolutely. but witness - statement which we got a copy of yesterday works alongside in harry's case alongside his evidence he has given in the witness box. in it, as you mentioned, the distress that he says he felt, the paranoia that he felt from the articles published about him from when he was very young. in fact, about him from when he was very young. infact, he about him from when he was very young. in fact, he has said in court that the press has been hostile towards him since birth, since he was born. we heard quite quickly yesterday in court that prince harry was making the allegation that when he was at eton college, when he was a teenage boy, that his phone was being hacked. that is how long these allegations date back.

he also said he was scared to see a doctor at eton college because he was so worried about medical details being leaked, and he said the intrusion he faced from such a young child is no way for somebody from such a young age to grow up, to have that kind of intrusion. let's not forget that this has notjust been about prince harry coming to court, talking about the distress the newspaper articles have had on him. in fact, the barristerfor the mirror group said everyone can sympathise with him in terms of the impact those newspaper articles hard and continue to have his life, that he has in here to try to prove his case, to try to back up these allegations he is making against mirror group newspapers. we should point out that mirror group

newspapers tonight any phone hacking took place in prince harry's case, and there are other claimants, not just prince harry, taking part in this trial, which is expected to carry on for a couple of weeks before thejudge sits carry on for a couple of weeks before the judge sits down with the huge amount of evidence he has heard in terms of live evidence in court and witness statements, then he will go through that and at some stage later this year deliver the judgment. later this year deliver the judgment-— later this year deliver the 'udument. ., . ~ ,., later this year deliver the 'udument. ., . ~ g ., judgment. helena wilkinson jo, i thou~ht it judgment. helena wilkinson jo, i thought it was — judgment. helena wilkinson jo, i thought it was an _ judgment. helena wilkinson jo, i thought it was an interesting - thought it was an interesting question earlier that day, andrew green asked the prince, if the court found you had never been hacked, you believe —— would you be relieved or disappointed? what did he say to that? he disappointed? what did he say to that? ., , disappointed? what did he say to that? ., ., disappointed? what did he say to that? ., , ., ., , ., ., that? he was asked that question and he said if no — that? he was asked that question and he said if no wrong _ that? he was asked that question and he said if no wrong was _ that? he was asked that question and he said if no wrong was found, - that? he was asked that question and he said if no wrong was found, in - he said if no wrong was found, in other words if thejudge he said if no wrong was found, in other words if the judge did he said if no wrong was found, in other words if thejudge did not find in favour of prince harry, if he did not find his phone was

hacked, prince harry has said that an injustice would be done. we know he is a man on a mission, he wanted this case, let's not forget, despite saying he has faced a couple of days of really intense questioning, it is prince harry who has brought this to court. many other claimants in the past have settled out of court but he wanted to take it all the way, he wanted his day in court, he has a number of other claims with other publishers going on at the moment so this is prince harry, i think we will see years of him trying to sort out what he sees, i think, as injustice, in his words are illegal, unlawful methods of newsgathering and phone hacking in terms of how the publisher of these newspapers got stories about him. 5m?

the publisher of these newspapers got stories about him.— got stories about him. stay there, we continue _ got stories about him. stay there, we continue to _ got stories about him. stay there, we continue to stay _ got stories about him. stay there, we continue to stay on _ got stories about him. stay there, we continue to stay on these - got stories about him. stay there, l we continue to stay on these shots, helena, and continue to wait for prince harry. let me bring gerald backin prince harry. let me bring gerald back in the. aside from the detail of what we have explored over the last couple of days and hours, gerald, what do you think, if any, the impact of this trial is likely to have? fin the impact of this trial is likely to have? . ., , ., the impact of this trial is likely to have? . . , ., to have? on prince harry or wider? generally on _ to have? on prince harry or wider? generally on the _ to have? on prince harry or wider? generally on the media. _ to have? on prince harry or wider? generally on the media. they will l generally on the media. they will take a lot of _ generally on the media. they will take a lot of time _ generally on the media. they will take a lot of time when _ generally on the media. they will take a lot of time when the - generally on the media. they will. take a lot of time when the judgment comes— take a lot of time when the judgment comes to _ take a lot of time when the judgment comes to think how they will take matters _ comes to think how they will take matters forward, i'm aware the daily mail is _ matters forward, i'm aware the daily mail is awaiting a judgment as to whether— mail is awaiting a judgment as to whether it will face a similar set of claims. — whether it will face a similar set of claims, there is a judgment due in the _ of claims, there is a judgment due in the next — of claims, there is a judgment due in the next month or two, probably. the is _ in the next month or two, probably. the is the _ in the next month or two, probably. the is the ongoing situation with the sun— the is the ongoing situation with the sun newspaper, a trial for that in the _ the sun newspaper, a trial for that in the new— the sun newspaper, a trial for that in the new year, so there is a lot more _ in the new year, so there is a lot more of— in the new year, so there is a lot more of that— in the new year, so there is a lot more of that to come, i have 50 and more _ more of that to come, i have 50 and more clients — more of that to come, i have 50 and more clients in the process of

bringing or have already brought claims. — bringing or have already brought claims. it— bringing or have already brought claims, it will be a major impact because — claims, it will be a major impact because people are realising what is going _ because people are realising what is going on. _ because people are realising what is going on. it — because people are realising what is going on, it has affected relationships. i can give you a couple — relationships. i can give you a couple of— relationships. i can give you a couple of instances if it is of any help _ couple of instances if it is of any help i_ couple of instances if it is of any help. i acted for paul gascoigne, the very— help. i acted for paul gascoigne, the very well—known help. i acted for paul gascoigne, the very well— known footballer, commonly known as gazza. during his time he _ commonly known as gazza. during his time he was _ commonly known as gazza. during his time he was suffering from mental problems. — time he was suffering from mental problems, this came out in his trial in 2015 _ problems, this came out in his trial in 2015 he — problems, this came out in his trial in 2015. he was sent by his family to a rehab — in 2015. he was sent by his family to a rehab centre in arizona, in arizona — to a rehab centre in arizona, in arizona he _ to a rehab centre in arizona, in arizona. he arrives at the rehab centre _ arizona. he arrives at the rehab centre and _ arizona. he arrives at the rehab centre and there were paparazzi waiting — centre and there were paparazzi waiting for him outside. how on earth _ waiting for him outside. how on earth they— waiting for him outside. how on earth they found that out at the time. _ earth they found that out at the time. and — earth they found that out at the time, and it was really difficult for him — time, and it was really difficult for him. his psychotherapist said to him. _ for him. his psychotherapist said to him. paul. — for him. his psychotherapist said to him, paul, you are not suffering from _ him, paul, you are not suffering from paranoia, it turns out that paul— from paranoia, it turns out that paul was— from paranoia, it turns out that paul was right, that is what is happening. paul was right, that is what is happening-— paul was right, that is what is haueninu. happening. those in the newspaper industry pointed — happening. those in the newspaper industry pointed to _ happening. those in the newspaper industry pointed to those _ happening. those in the newspaper industry pointed to those days - happening. those in the newspaper industry pointed to those days and | happening. those in the newspaper|

industry pointed to those days and a whole newspaper, the news of the world, close down. they say that these things were going on but the industry has changed and there was an exchange earlier where the lawyer said, given what had happened in the past, it would be an extraordinary risk to do this, that was the question he posed to prince harry. hasn't the tabloid industry changed? it has, but at the moment they may be using _ it has, but at the moment they may be using other, more sophisticated, cleverer— be using other, more sophisticated, cleverer methods of gaining information. i do not know. one assumes— information. i do not know. one assumes they have learned their lesson. — assumes they have learned their lesson. it — assumes they have learned their lesson, it is costing them hundreds of millions — lesson, it is costing them hundreds of millions-— of millions. let's go back to the helena wilkinson _ of millions. let's go back to the helena wilkinson at _ of millions. let's go back to the helena wilkinson at the - of millions. let's go back to the helena wilkinson at the court. i helena wilkinson at the court. helena, as we continue to stay with this, it was interesting, what of the exchanges earlier today, the prince was asked what is the story in the public interest? he took a while to answer that question. yes.

while to answer that question. yes, he was questioned _ while to answer that question. te: he was questioned about that, what is it the public interest? a member of the stories that have been brought up during the last couple of days have been medical issues —— a number of the stories. a knee injury he suffered from when he was much younger. i think he was questioning why that kind of story should end up in the newspapers. just to say, prince harry is still inside the court building while we are waiting for him to come out and one of our colleagues had spotted someone... you might be able to see on screen, the number of people waiting outside, someone has turned up with a copy of his book spare, presumably wanting an autograph, but i think they will be disappointed because when he emerges he will get straight into the car. you wonder what he will think in the car when he is

driven off after the last couple of days. we