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at ukraine's kakhovka dam just before it collapsed. the rescue mission for those left stranded by the floods — with tens of thousands still lacking access to food and water. the former culture secretary, nadine dorries, has tweeted that she will stand down as the mp for mid bedfordshire "with immediate effect". we are waiting for borisjohnson�*s resignation honours list to be published. donald trump is charged over his handling of classified documents after he left the white house. president macron meets the heroes who fought off the knifeman who attacked children in annecy. and later today, our sports colleagues will bring you a special programme on the countdown to the champions league final
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hello. i'm matthew amroliwala. welcome to verified live, three hours of breaking stories and checking out the truth behind them. i want to just return to the breaking news with uk politics first of all, because the news in the last few minutes that nadine dorries her so she is standing down as an mp with immediate effect, tweeting it has been an honour to serve her mid bedfordshire constituency. the backdrop to this story of course is that we wait for the former prime minister, borisjohnson�*s resignation honours list, and that has been much delayed around the controversies with some of the names that have been suggested over the months, and also of course the former prime minister's behaviour whilst he was in office and all of that being investigated, but this
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seems to fit the choreography, because if we wait for that list, she would end up being in the house of lords if she is on that resignation honours list, so nadine dorries saying she is standing down as an mp with immediate effect. let's go to westminster, ben wright is there. ben, what seems to be the first of what might be a number of announcements we get to hear through the course of the next couple of hours. . �* , ~ the course of the next couple of hours. . �*, . . ., , hours. that's right. we certainly ex - ected hours. that's right. we certainly exnected the — hours. that's right. we certainly expected the resignation - hours. that's right. we certainlyl expected the resignation honours list for boris johnson to expected the resignation honours list for borisjohnson to be published at some point this afternoon, and about 15 minutes ago, nadine dorries sent out that tweet saying she was standing down as the mp for mid bedfordshire with immediate effect. what we don't know yet is whether that is because is has been speculative for a long time, she is going to receive a peerage and go off to the house of lords, orshe peerage and go off to the house of lords, or she hasjust decided to stand down anyway. we don't know. until we see the list, we can only really speculate about why she sent
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this tweet out now, pre—empting very interestingly the official list that we expect to come out from the government later on this afternoon, in the next hour or so. but really interesting she has done this. nadine dorries, former culture secretary, novelist, now talk tv host, a huge cheerleader and back for borisjohnson. defended him to the hilt right the way through all the hilt right the way through all the scandals, through his departure from office, agitating for him to come back in subsequent months, but her political career in the commons now is clearly over while we wait to see who else borisjohnson has given an honour to, either a peerage or knighthood or some other gong. find knighthood or some other gong. and we will talk about some of the politics of this in a moment or two, but this has been much delayed. it has been going on for months and we know all about the controversies and names that have been mentioned, but just for viewers tuning in to this for perhaps the first time, just go through some of the names that have appeared in the press over the last
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few months. appeared in the press over the last few month-— appeared in the press over the last few monthe— few months. first of all it should be explained _ few months. first of all it should be explained that _ few months. first of all it should be explained that this _ few months. first of all it should be explained that this is - few months. first of all it should be explained that this is what. few months. first of all it should i be explained that this is what prime ministers or outgoing parameters are able to do. they have the right to suggest people for honours on their departure, it is a practice going back about a hundred years. tony blair didn't have a resignation honours list when he left office, partly because he was mired in a scandal about cash for honours, but it is a practice that david cameron restarted, giving honours may be to people who have been supportive within the party. this is something which outgoing prime ministers du, theresa may did it, liz truss even though she was in office a short time is expected to have a resignation honours list. the circumstances of the departure, turfed out by his own party after the partygate scandal and other scandals, i think it has been very controversial, but he was clearly intent on pursuing a list himself, and nadine dorries is one of the
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names that has been around. alok sharma, the former chair of cop, and there was talk of perhaps paul dacre going to the house of lords. names have to go through the approval committee before the names can be finalised, and that process has been gone through. finalised, and that process has been gone through-— gone through. even his father stanley johnson _ gone through. even his father stanley johnson was - gone through. even his father stanley johnson was reported | gone through. even his father i stanley johnson was reported at gone through. even his father - stanley johnson was reported at one stanleyjohnson was reported at one stage of being potentially given a knighthood. in terms of some of the politics i was referencing, tell me more about that, because labour in the run—up to this has been talking about a carousel of cronies, calling for even at this last minute, the prime minister to intervene. take us through some of the politics, because it he's been suggested that somehow if this list gets accepted by rishi sunak, it eases tension
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with thejohnson camp within the conservative party. with the johnson camp within the conservative party.— with the johnson camp within the conservative party. potentially, and i think it conservative party. potentially, and i think it would — conservative party. potentially, and i think it would have _ conservative party. potentially, and i think it would have looked - conservative party. potentially, and i think it would have looked in - conservative party. potentially, and i think it would have looked in the l i think it would have looked in the tory party like a very aggressive act were he to try and block this list, which is something labour had called for. they describe this as a carousel of cronies. but every time there is a resignation honours list, there is a resignation honours list, there is a resignation honours list, there is this sort of controversy. but i think particularly in boris johnson's case, after three years of scandal strewn chaos, and he has oftenjudged by scandal strewn chaos, and he has often judged by the time he left office, there is a feeling even within the tory party that it was inappropriate for him to have a resignation honours list, but he is within his rights to ask for one and we expect to have it very soon. but potentially it is a gift for labour because they can say, look, boris johnson left office under a dark cloud are now potentially rewarding a lot of his friends and allies and cheerleaders who stuck with him through thick and thin. ben wright,
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if there is more _ through thick and thin. ben wright, if there is more detail, _ through thick and thin. ben wright, if there is more detail, more - through thick and thin. ben wright, if there is more detail, more on - if there is more detail, more on that list, we will return straightaway to you at westminster. thank you for taking us through that news about nadine dorries and some of the background to that story about the resignation honours list. now let's turn to events in ukraine. a us official is reported to have said that american satellites detected an explosion at the kakhovka dam before it was damaged. it is said that a heat signature that could have been an explosion was detected. a seismology team from norway found evidence of a blast by looking at seismic signals detected in romania. in a separate development, ukraine's security services have released a recording of what they say are two russian military figures discussing how the dam was sabotaged — although the recordings
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can't be verified. ukraine has reported heavy fighting in the eastern region of donetsk on friday. officials said ukrainian forces had gained more ground near the city of bakhmut. there are also reports of heavy fighting in zaporizhzhia. military experts say the area will be the focus of ukraine's long—awaited counter—offensive. i've been speaking to our diplomatic correspondent, paul adams, who is in the ukrainian capital kyiv. he gave more details about the findings by scientists. i think it lays to rest any suggestion that what happened at the dam in the early hours of tuesday morning was somehow an accidental collapse of the dam. what they detected at 2:51am was a huge seismic event, somewhere between magnitudei and a 2, the kind of thing that could only be created by a vast explosion, not to regulate military activity but a huge explosion. they also clarified that in the half
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an hour or so before that, they heard other, smaller explosions, and all of that tallies with some of the reporting that was coming out at the time on the day, people who could hear that something was going on at the dam and then also began to hear water rushing through. we are beginning to get a picture of an event that lasted perhaps half an hour in which the dam was gradually breached, and then the adjacent hydroelectric plant were simply blown to smithereens. and in terms of what has followed, and we are looking at the flood waters as you are speaking to us, there is a massive humanitarian operation. what are officials saying about the impact that has had on the counteroffensive that we know is in its early stages?
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officials aren't saying anything about the connection between events at the dam and the counteroffensive, but i think probably ukrainian military planners were looking at that stretch of river from nova kakhovka down to kherson, and the russians were aware of this, they knew that was one possible area of attack from ukrainian forces, and that perhaps explains why the dam was blown up. in the meantime, attention is focused further to the east in an area where frankly almost everybody expects the main ukrainian attack to come, and we have seen over the course of the last few days that attack beginning to gain momentum. it is involving some of the key bits of western armoured equipment, fighting vehicles and leopard tanks, which of course ukraine
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was desperately looking for as it tried to prepare for this moment. we are beginning to see that unfold. it is very early days. the ukrainians i think have high ambitions for what it might achieve, but this is a counteroffensive that is probably going to last forfour orfive months. paul adams in kyiv. he's a senior fellow of the atlantic council and explained the global implications of the breach of the dam. what a red line has been crossed if western leaders have not realised the magnitude of this red line while they should. what we are looking at is a very widespread impact from this explosion. number one would be: food prices are going to spike once again because grain exports, a lot of other
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prime agricultural land won't be moving. secondly, we are already feeling it in odesa, a crush of migrants from east of here. i suspect a good number of them will be heading towards other countries. and then, thirdly, the ecological damage. we are already seeing reports from odesa of debris, of animals, dead animals washing up on the shores. there are a lot of states, neighbouring the black sea. they are going to be feeling it as well. the magnitude of this cannot be overestimated. michael, i wasjust asking paul this exact question, is it possible to make some sort of earlyjudgment about how much having to deal with the massive humanitarian crisis and the logistics, how much that interferes, distracts, with the counteroffensive? well, you know, a lot of the organisations that were doing the regular stuff of helping people affected by the fighting and moving them out of harm's way, they are now being diverted to rescuing people, and providing water and that sort of thing. and state resources, lots of state resources have had to be diverted to provide things like clean drinking water to rescued people.
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so, this is clearly a destraction, if we can put it that way, probably an intentional one. i tend to agree with what paul was reporting, about how this more and more appears to have been a deliberate act by the russians. michael, paul was saying, and we have many from the early part of this week, that officials in ukraine have been giving very little detail about this counteroffensive for obvious reasons. what you think are the next stages, what we've seen so far, and what you think is likely to come back on the ground and even potentially in the air? yeah, well, i don't think we are going to seeing a counteroffensive of the likes of iraq shock and awe, it is going to be lots of different points along the front line. i think a major thrust of what the ukrainians are doing is to sever that land bridge
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that connects the russian mainland with crimea, that is likely a number one objective. i wouldn't be surprised if there is also another accident on the bridge which will really choke off crimea. but, the ukrainians are also as was reported, taking advantage of the new military tech that has come their way. my understanding is that ukrainian pilots have been training in f—16s for quite some time. as soon as those arrive from poland and elsewhere, they will be ready to hop in. and then, finally, i think that the ukrainians are going to be taking advantage of the disorganisation on the russian side. the chief of the wagner group has just reportedly pleaded for 200,000 more russian troops, where they are going to find them without a general mobilisation, i don't know, but things are not looking good for the russians at all. the latest there from ukraine. around the world and across the uk, you're watching bbc news. let's turn to some of the story is making headlines here in the uk.
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the government has announced the windfall tax on oil and gas firms will be suspended if prices fall to normal levels for a sustained period. halting the windfall tax would cut the overall tax rate on energy films from 75% to a0%. it was introduced last year to help fund a scheme to lower energy bills for households and businesses. a boy who died after being followed by police on his e—bike and then colliding with an ambulance has been named locally as 15—year—old saul cookson. traffic officers followed the teenager in salford on thursday afternoon until bollards blocked their vehicle's path. the boy carried on before his e—bike collided with the ambulance. the independent office for police conduct is investigating. and lgbt military veterans who were dismissed, interrogated, or even imprisoned for their sexuality are calling for details of an independent report into their treatment to be released by the government immediately. until the year 2000, anyone gay, lesbian or bisexual was banned from serving in britain's armed forces.
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you're live with bbc news. donald trump has become the first former us president to face federal criminal charges. he's been indicted by thejustice department over the handling of hundreds of classified documents after he left the white house in 2021. a lawyer for mr trump confirmed he's facing seven counts including obstruction, conspiracy and the willful retention of national defence secrets. if found guilty he potentially faces years in prison. donald trump, who's the frontrunner for the 2024 republican presidential nomination, responded like this. it is called election interference. they are trying to influence the election. that is as bad as anything else that has been done over the last number of years and especially during the 2020 election, so ijust want to tell you i am an innocent man, idid want to tell you i am an innocent man, i did nothing wrong and we will fight thisjust like we man, i did nothing wrong and we will fight this just like we have been fighting for seven years. that was donald trump. former us attorney general bill barr, who served under trump,
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spoke to cbs news and dismissed the notion that the department ofjustice was acting politically. based on the facts, as the facts come out, i think over time, people will see that this is not a case of— the department ofjustice conducting a witchhunt. in fact, they approached this very delicately and with deference to the president. and this would have gone nowhere had the presidentjust returned the documents, but he jerked them around for a year and a half, and the question is, did he deceive them? and if there's evidence of that, i think people will start to see that this says more about trump than it_ does the department ofjustice, and that is that he is so egotistical that he has this penchant for conducting risky, reckless acts to show that he can sort of get away with it. it's part of asserting his ego. and he has done this repeatedly at the expense of all the people who depend on him to conduct the public's business
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in an honourable way. and, you know, we saw this with both impeachments, and there is no excuse for what he did. that was william barr. and the reuters news agency report in the white house saying thatjoe biden find out about the trump indictment like everyone else, had no advance knowledge. donald trump suggesting that both the white house and the department ofjustice in cahoots to bring these charges, to the white house saying joe biden found out about this indictment like anybody else, had no advance knowledge. live now to craig green, professor of law at temple university in philadelphia. thank you so much for being here on the programme. given what we know about trump's possession of these documents, were you surprised to see these indictments or not? i documents, were you surprised to see these indictments or not?— these indictments or not? i think this charge _ these indictments or not? i think this charge had _ these indictments or not? i think this charge had been _ these indictments or not? i think this charge had been brewing - these indictments or not? i think this charge had been brewing forj this charge had been brewing for quite a while, but i think it's also important to recognise it's been a very bad season for trump. he had a
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civil defamation case for $5 million, and of course the new york indictment before that. but i think the mishandling of documents was something that no one on the outside could know the details of, but i think suspicion was quite high, and then the timing of it happening was a surprise to everyone except the prosecutors involved. we a surprise to everyone except the prosecutors involved.— a surprise to everyone except the prosecutors involved. we know that others have — prosecutors involved. we know that others have had _ prosecutors involved. we know that others have had documents - prosecutors involved. we know that others have had documents in - prosecutors involved. we know that others have had documents in their| others have had documents in their possession. why is this different? quite so. this is about wilful retention. there is an element of intentionality about it. this is not just a matter of documents ended up here or there or as has happened with previous politicians and indeed some current politicians, they immediately returned them sort of thing. this is nothing like that. this is a circumstance where there is an audio recording that indicates trump was mike awareness that he had certain documents that he was not supposed to have, and furthermore that he did not have any legal power to declassify them, which of course wouldn't solve the problem anyway.
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and then of course there is the crime in the cover—up, so all these things that people are talking about with obstruction and the cover—ups, mr trump has a long—standing, chequered relationship with telling the truth, including the defamation case, including various other civil matters where he has admitted to lying under oath. so these are all the kinds of things that really distinguish this case from other cases about the espionage act, other handling of sensitive information. trump in this circumstance really stands quite alone among modern politicians. if stands quite alone among modern oliticians. , ., , politicians. if he is found guilty, briefly your _ politicians. if he is found guilty, briefly your thoughts _ politicians. if he is found guilty, briefly your thoughts on - politicians. if he is found guilty, l briefly your thoughts on potential penalties that he could face and the fact that this would happen in miami, a trial. what you make of that? 50 miami, a trial. what you make of that? ., , ., , that? so the theoretical penalties could be as _ that? so the theoretical penalties could be as high _ that? so the theoretical penalties could be as high as _ that? so the theoretical penalties could be as high as 20 _ that? so the theoretical penalties could be as high as 20 years. - that? so the theoretical penalties i could be as high as 20 years. there is no likelihood that he would find his way to that. but the most interesting thing actually is the
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calendar, so both this and the new york case are likely not to even reach trial until at least the election is well under way and the republican party has chosen their nominee, and so this is really a collision course in a way. there won't be any determination of innocence or guilt while the american people are trying to decide whether they want this man to be their future whether they want this man to be theirfuture president, notjust the past one. and the fact that it is in miami signals that a lot of the events happened in miami, it may be a challenge forjury events happened in miami, it may be a challenge for jury selection down the road. but this is all happening procedurally very ordinarily, even though the actual defendant is such an extraordinary personage in american history and american culture. �* , ., ., , culture. and it is not the only indictment — culture. and it is not the only indictment he _ culture. and it is not the only indictment he faces. - culture. and it is not the only indictment he faces. you - culture. and it is not the only - indictment he faces. you mention the one surrounding stormy daniels, and there are two others waiting in the wings, so there was a potential hit along a timeline that we could be talking about four indictments while he is running to be the next president of america, and just for viewers watching around the world, that doesn't work in any way, does
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it, in your system, with being a bar evenif it, in your system, with being a bar even if he is convicted?— even if he is convicted? absolutely not. the even if he is convicted? absolutely not- the only _ even if he is convicted? absolutely not. the only remedy _ even if he is convicted? absolutely not. the only remedy for - even if he is convicted? absolutely not. the only remedy for getting i even if he is convicted? absolutely not. the only remedy for getting a| not. the only remedy for getting a malfeasance president out of office is to impeach him, which of course the american system has tried twice. but the most important thing to say is that unprecedented becomes a tired word when referring to mr trump, but this sort of thing never happens in american politics. the idea that a major political party would choose such a person as their banner carrier is also unprecedented. but i think this speaks to the attacks on institutions that mr trump has represented for seven years. every time there is an election loss, a court case, it is always the other people who are after him, and i think it is very important to stress that has a matter of procedure, there is a local prosecutor decided he had made false statements in the stormy daniels case, now we have a special insulated federal prosecutor, and an independent
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prosecutor, and an independent prosecutor has decided on ordinary citizens have decided that the charges should go forward. the consequences of political life of the most extraordinary thing, but i think it is really a distressing moment in american politics. icraig moment in american politics. craig green, moment in american politics. craig green. thank _ moment in american politics. craig green, thank you _ moment in american politics. craig green, thank you very _ moment in american politics. craig green, thank you very much for joining us here on bbc news. let's return to the major story that has dominated here through the course of the week with the breaching of that dam in southern ukraine, and we were hearing earlier about the humanitarian efforts, hearing the latest analysis of what exactly might have been behind it with those reports from seismologists. let's talk to my colleague yelled at let's go live now to our presenter yalda hakim who is on the road to kyiv. what is it like? thank you so much. we have been on the road for 12 hours now, and we
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made our way from poland which is obviously nato territory into ukraine, into the western city of lviv, and you will remember at the beginning of this conflict, it was the epicentre of the humanitarian crisis where we were seeing millions of people, mostly women and children, pouring into the city trying to make their way into poland and other parts of europe to get away from the conflict. the men that i saw at the time because of martial law were not allowed to leave the country. they still aren't because they are required to stay and fight. but we have been on the road, as i said, for 12 hours now. we havejust arrived into the capital kyiv, and it is a glorious summer day here. people are out in the streets. the cafe is are full of people. most of them are on their daily life and business, and you wouldn't think that this is a city and nation at
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war. but of course we are reminded around this city that conflict. we have seen the military personnel, we have seen the military personnel, we have seen the military personnel, we have seen billboards that show the number of soldiers who have been killed in this conflict. so we do get reminded, but of course at the same time, you are also seeing a city that is very much alive. brute city that is very much alive. we will talk again _ city that is very much alive. we will talk again in the coming hours and days, but thank you very much from ukraine for us. just a quick word, because i know that president putin has been talking in the last little while saying that the ukrainian counteroffensive has started. he hasjust been making comments, so we will keep an eye on that and bring you more on that. we will take a short break, and when we are back we have a special programme and a countdown to the champions league final. 0ur teams will be there. all of that is coming up in a moment or two. hello there. today is likely to be the hottest day of the year so far,
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with temperatures reaching the high 20s, a statistic that will quickly be forgotten because over the weekend it is set to get even hotter. 30 degrees and hottest spots. 30 injune, how hot is that? we get it every year. many of us look forward to the hot spells, some of us don't like the heat and for a few with underlying health conditions, it can cause problems. and for that reason, heat health alert has been issued. satellite picture today shows the extent of the sunshine. we do have some low cloud affecting the north of scotland, and that could link all day, and there are some high cloud across the south—west made in the sunshine hazy. might squeeze out an odd shower from that. if you catch one in cornwall, the rain could come down in quite big, chunky raindrops. for most of us, it is a warm day, and the highest temperatures are likely to reach 28. 0vernight tonight, we will keep some of that low cloud
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across the north sea coasts, east scotland and eastern england, but otherwise a largely dry night, chilly across the north—east but there is temperatures creeping up in the south of both england and wales, 13 and 14 for cardiff and london. we start the weekend on a glorious note, plenty of sunshine and becoming very warm if not hot. the heat triggers one or two thunderstorms, and many of you won't see much in the way of rain, but there could be one or two areas that see a real deluge, posing a risk of some flash flooding. still that's the exception, for most of us a hot and sunny day with temperatures peaking at around 30 celsius, perhaps some low cloud lingering. what follows is a very warm evening, probably the warmest night we have seen so far this year with temperatures at bedtime for some still up into the 20s, and that is a feature of our weather going forward over the next few days. for sunday, again, a lot of dry weather, a few thunderstorms will build, and again one or two of those could be torrential. in the west of the uk there could be
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some areas that see lower temperatures compared with what we have had over the last couple of weeks, and of course it has been glorious for many in the west. and for a heatwave to be declared, you need temperatures to reach over a certain threshold for three days, that threshold met for london, manchester and glasgow, so for some, it is the first heatwave of the year.
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