tv The Context BBC News June 9, 2023 9:00pm-9:30pm BST
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so there with conservative parties. 50 we there with conservative parties. so we look at the latest from him and see what else he manages to establish. he was the one who told us, according to his sources, so i don't think we have independently stood this up, but according to his stories, his sources, forgive me. borisjohnson is in africa at the moment, so we won't be seeing him around his constituency or indeed westminster. i want to go back to professor gon curtis. just look at this from a point of view of his statement. just as i was building up there, this meeting has been ended by the host. that wasn't me. i may be the host but i come back to you as we try and re—establish those collections. about the he has come back and come
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out and attacked the privileges committee, using very strong language. if we park for one moment, the rights and the wrongs and just leave with the impression that isn't this going to undermine trust in the political institutions? dozen that have echoes of what we have witnessed over in the us? —— doesn't that? i witnessed over in the us? -- doesn't that? ., ., , ., witnessed over in the us? -- doesn't that? ., ., , a, _, that? i want to understand your question. _ that? i want to understand your question, exactly, _ that? i want to understand your question, exactly, are - that? i want to understand your question, exactly, are you - question, exactly, are you suggesting that his criticism of the privileges committee, in of itself, undermines confidence in political institutions? i undermines confidence in political institutions?— institutions? i was referring more to the language. _ institutions? i was referring more to the language, kangaroo - institutions? i was referring more to the language, kangaroo courts| institutions? i was referring more - to the language, kangaroo courts and witchhunts, witchhunt is something we hear donald trump using to describe the investigation into him, so that kind of ferocious attack on the institutions of parliament. yes.
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the institutions of parliament. yes, well i think — the institutions of parliament. yes, well i think there _ the institutions of parliament. yes, well i think there is _ the institutions of parliament. yes, well i think there is an _ well i think there is an extraordinary parallel right now between both sides of the atlantic with these two stories that happen to be running at the same time, and i don't think the word witchhunt is exclusively used in america, i think people understand the technology here. i think there are serious questions about the way the privileges committee has conducted itself. —— terminology. and also the nature of this inquiry. and also where democratic accountability really lies. and with the most part of our constitutional history, it has really been up to the electors to decide what happens to the iop... ever since we have had the nolan committee, there have been big debates to maintain standards in public life, but i think the way in which the privileges committee, particularly, change the terms of the engagement here, from whether or
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not borisjohnson deliberately lied, or misled by default, as it were, by mistake, it is pretty significant, and i think he has every reason to be very angry about that. nevertheless, i don't think that leaving the conservative party in this way along with nadine dorries and maybe christopher hope is right, there is no reason that other people might not also be as well... as i said, i think it is a terrible aggregation of responsibility. people in that context are very well entitled to look at this and doubt politicians and therefore doubt the institutions. , ., ., ., politicians and therefore doubt the institutions.— institutions. joanna nadler, it has been absolutely _ institutions. joanna nadler, it has been absolutely fascinating - institutions. joanna nadler, it has been absolutely fascinating to - institutions. joanna nadler, it hasj been absolutely fascinating to get your insight and your thoughts on all of this. i know you will stay with us, but for the moment, i will give you a break, a very well and
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one command we will come back to you in a few minutes' time. it has been a pretty extraordinary last, half an hour or so. we will continue with this breaking news here in the uk. former prime minister borisjohnson is stepping down as mp with immediate effect. in a lengthy statement of more than 1000 words, he claims he was driven out by a committee investigating whether he deliberately misled parliament. he said he received a report by the inquiry, which he dismissed as a biased kangaroo court. here are some of what he said. —— heroes. —— here is some of what he said. the panel has been examining whether mr johnson unknowingly lied about parties at downing street, that
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broke covid—19 rules. in march, the former prime minister admitted misleading parliament, but denied doing it on purpose. borisjohnson also seems to take a parting swipe at rishi sunak�*s government. he says, when i left office last year... he went on to say... we just want to bring you a bit of reaction, and as you can imagine, there has been plenty, which isjust now starting to come in, this news is not very old. borisjohnson is going. deputy labour leader angela rayner has said this, the british public are sick to the back teeth of this never ending tory soap opera, played out at their expense, after 13 years of conservative chaos, enough is enough. it is time to turn
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the page with a fresh start for britain and a labour government focused on the people's priorities of tackling the cost of living crisis, and building a better future. that was what deputy labour leader angela rayner said, saying the british public are sick to the back teeth of this never ending tory soap opera, played out at their expense. after 13 years of conservative chaos, enough is enough. right, to westminster. to our correspondent who is standing by. leila, it has been an extraordinary, what is it, passed a 35 minutes. it is the latest you are picking up? i think is the news sink in here, as you say, labour very quick to criticise this as another sign that the tory party is unfit for government. we sign that the tory party is unfit for government.— sign that the tory party is unfit for government. sign that the tory party is unfit for covernment. ~ . , , for government. we have been used in new des - ite for government. we have been used in new despite recent _ for government. we have been used in new despite recent weeks _ for government. we have been used in new despite recent weeks to _ for government. we have been used in new despite recent weeks to think - new despite recent weeks to think feeling a bit calmer, a bit less factional in the conservative party,
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clearly, there has been this row that we were discussing earlier in the day of the borisjohnson's resignation honours list. little did we know thatjust resignation honours list. little did we know that just a few resignation honours list. little did we know thatjust a few hours later he would be resigning himself in spectacularfashion, so he would be resigning himself in spectacular fashion, so you he would be resigning himself in spectacularfashion, so you have been through main details of the statement, but i think it is worth pointing outjust how long and how it is, and just exactly the very point that he makes, just a reminder for our viewers about the investigation into him. he has, over these partygate scandals, from his time in downing street, been subject to a number of investigations, one by the police, another by a senior, now former senior civil servant, and the final one that has been going on, is a parliamentary committee. that has been focusing on whether borisjohnson that has been focusing on whether boris johnson misled that has been focusing on whether borisjohnson misled parliament and intentionally misled parliament when he talked about and answered questions in parliament over those parties in downing street. he has resigned tonight over the findings
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of this committee. he said he had been passed the findings of the report, and as you describe, he kate calls them a kangaroo court. —— equals them. he described it as a political hitjob. he accuses harriet harman the chairman of that committee, for forcing harriet harman the chairman of that committee, forforcing him out of a political motivation. it is they have no shred of evidence that he knowingly or recklessly misled the commons. he is still maintaining that he did not lie, this big statement, announcing his resignation because i think this is hugely explosive. the key question now, is what happens next in terms of his allies? what ripple effects, if you like, will this have across the conservative party? we know that nadine dorries, one of his staunchest allies, has resigned earlier, it is still not clear exactly under what circumstances, whether it had to do with her proposal to be —— his proposal to be in the house of lords. there will be one by—election bear in her seat to
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come in bedfordshire. there will be another by—election for rishi sunak to contend with in it boris johnson's uxbridge seat in the north—west of london. clearly, something that will be problematic for a party that is struggling in the polls, but i think the interesting thing will be come over the course of the next few hours and days, what sort of ripple effect does this have among borisjohnson supporters, of which there are still a sizeable chunk, in the conservative party, people who have rallied behind him, people who do share his vision because, remember in this statement, he is also pointing to think he sees, which are wrong with the current direction of the tory party. he talks immediately but abounding the idea of a free trade deal, where neish eat —— rishi sunak is onlyjust off the plane from washington, where he has made that clear. the direction of the tory party, under his successor, he doubts that... will have to see if that becomes a catalyst, if you like, for another implosion in the tory party and that is a actual
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warfare that we are used to seeing, before rishi sunak took over, whether that, once again, before rishi sunak took over, whetherthat, once again, explodes into the forefront. whether that, once again, explodes into the forefront.— into the forefront. yes, specific comments _ into the forefront. yes, specific comments on _ into the forefront. yes, specific comments on just _ into the forefront. yes, specific comments on just that - into the forefront. yes, specific comments on just that work - into the forefront. yes, specific| comments on just that work and into the forefront. yes, specific - comments on just that work and we need to show we are making the most of brexits, and we need to be prorogued investments, and to cut business and personal taxes, not just pre—election gimmicks. he did layouts come in his words, and in his vision of what is wrong, with the current direction of the party, which might be a predicted dust mite particularly welcome reading for rishi sunak, but as my guest and was pointing out that perhaps, actually, in a big scheme of things, rishi sunak may welcome the lack of distraction, but he won't welcome a by—election. it is difficult whichever way you slice it and dice it! it is tricky. i know people watching are always intrigued about this kind of thing, when a big story like this does break, just talk us through what happened down there in
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westminster? what happens amongst mps, amongstjournalists. just give mps, amongst journalists. just give us mps, amongstjournalists. just give us a flavour of the last a0 or so minutes? us a flavour of the last 40 or so minutes?— minutes? this is a friday night, late on a friday _ minutes? this is a friday night, late on a friday night _ minutes? this is a friday night, late on a friday night in - late on a friday night in westminster, usually on a friday, there are no real mps, some at times parliament sits, sometimes it doesn't, but is very much a day for them to disappear and to go back to their constituencies, so normally, i have to say, it tends to be quite a quiet evening. it does have a habit of throwing up nice surprises like this one late on a friday, so in westminster as such, it is not like there is a critical mass of mps something to discuss this as they would have been if this had happened on for example wednesday afternoon. i have to say... 50 on for example wednesday afternoon. i have to say- - -— i have to say... so that means it is all over what's _ i have to say... so that means it is all over what's doesn't _ i have to say... so that means it is all over what's doesn't it? -- - all over what's doesn't it? —— whatsapp. all over what's doesn't it? -- whatsapp-— all over what's doesn't it? -- whatsau. , , whatsapp. yes, exactly. he was talkin: whatsapp. yes, exactly. he was talking about — whatsapp. yes, exactly. he was talking about his _ whatsapp. yes, exactly. he was talking about his honours, - whatsapp. yes, exactly. he wasj talking about his honours, those exactly like goodbyes, in terms of
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his resignation, basically honours and peerages to all of his supporters and former aides, a pretty transparent reward for their loyalty. that certainly has provoked some criticism from within the tory party already. especially that people that had been implicated in the partygate scandal, already some reaction to that was coming in, so just because people are scattered around the country in their constituencies, doesn't mean that they are not getting in contact and formulating their own thoughts and their own responses, but i think immediately, as it still soaks in there as it is so recent, certainly, everyone will be digesting exactly what his statement means, and the statement went on to two pages, 1000 words or so, people will be digesting it, exactly what he is meaning there. yes, the applications for downing street will be two by—elections, but as you say, they will be trying to read the room to try and think, two, three, four steps ahead, what this actually means for the stability of the government? is this good that boris johnson will finally be out of rishi
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sunak�*s care? is a chance to put clear water between the former chancellor, borisjohnson's clear water between the former chancellor, boris johnson's former chancellor, boris johnson's former chancellor, rishi sunak and chancellor, borisjohnson's former chancellor, rishi sunak and his former boss? 0r chancellor, rishi sunak and his former boss? or will this as i say, have a catalyst effect and trigger some renewed instability? i think it is probably helpful in terms of the government to have everybody scattered around the country at this point and not all here, gathering in the corridors of parliament and discussing the next moves. great to discussing the next moves. great to discuss it with _ discussing the next moves. great to discuss it with you, _ discussing the next moves. great to discuss it with you, leila. _ discussing the next moves. great to discuss it with you, leila. thank- discuss it with you, leila. thank you very much, speak to a bit later on. we will speak now to andrew fisher, former director for the labour party. what is your reaction? my labour party. what is your reaction? my first reaction is bluntly, good presents. i think borisjohnson did immense damage to this country, not just through his policies, but the way he conducts himself in office as well, so i think the parallels of trump art there for all to see. his resignation letter is exactly what
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you would expect from him. he is into lyle, it is graceless, it shows all the lack of dignity and humidity that he showed when he was in office. calling the committee which has a conservative majority on it, let's not forget, a kangaroo court when he himself said at the committee, that he welcomed this investigation, this inquiry, so... his view on the statement that but they still have not produced a shred of evidence that he knowingly or recklessly misled the commons. the roblem recklessly misled the commons. the problem for — recklessly misled the commons. tue: problem for boris recklessly misled the commons. tte: problem for boris johnson recklessly misled the commons. tt2 problem for borisjohnson is his own words in the comments which are recorded every day. he did lighten the commons. he can say that he didn't know, that he wasn't aware of these events going on, and then of course the photos came out, proving that he was there at these parties that he was there at these parties that broke the rules, very evidently. even in his own words to the committee, he said, this was guidance and i'm not going to pretend it was enforced rigidly. but he told the house of commons the
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guidance was followed at all times. he has contradicted himself and he lives in a parallel universe where he can do no wrong, unfortunately. i think it is good for british politics that he is hopefully gone and the chapter is closed on him. again, getting into the politics of this, but is this good news in the long term for the labour party? i'm going to quickly you online here from his statement again, we talked about just after two years of winning the majority, after many years, he sees a majority as at risk. he sees himself as an electoral asset? t risk. he sees himself as an electoral asset?— risk. he sees himself as an electoral asset? i think he is delusional, _ electoral asset? i think he is delusional, his _ electoral asset? i think he is delusional, his ratings - electoral asset? i think he is delusional, his ratings were | delusional, his ratings were plummeting that is why he was forced out by the conservative mps and it was not the labour party, it was not conspiring labour politicians or politicians that do not like him, it was his own party are forced out because he was doing immense damage to them and the government. a lot of the things he had committed to in
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that 2019 election were proven to be lies, building 1a new hospitals, never had any intention of doing that, mostly were —— most were constructions and refurbishments —— most of the are refurbishments. and his other ready brexits deal, i think it has caught up with him, he is the architect of his own downfall. i suspect he will carry on dying it until the end.— dying it until the end. angela ra ner dying it until the end. angela rayner from _ dying it until the end. angela rayner from the _ dying it until the end. angela rayner from the labour - dying it until the end. angelal rayner from the labour party, dying it until the end. angela - rayner from the labour party, she has come out and been pretty forceful in her statement. ijust wonder, andrew, the old tactics of my enemy because my enemy is my friend, if rishi sunak might be quite pleased that that distraction is no longer bear? —— my enemy's enemy. if the soap opera is going to continue, with that damaged the fact is that going to damage the conservative party? t is that going to damage the conservative party?- is that going to damage the conservative party? i think it is a chance rishi _ conservative party? i think it is a chance rishi sunak _ conservative party? i think it is a chance rishi sunak to _ conservative party? i think it is a chance rishi sunak to draw - conservative party? i think it is a chance rishi sunak to draw a - conservative party? i think it is aj chance rishi sunak to draw a line under what has been a very dysfunctional conservative party, but the thing is that there are lots
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ofjohnson acolytes within parliament, notjust him and nadine dorries, there are some others as well, more than a handful. i think he is in quite a weak position at the moment, the polls are bad for the moment, the polls are bad for the conservatives and frankly, i think the british public is past the point of wanting to give the conservative party another chance, whether that is liz truss, rishi sunak or borisjohnson, even. i think, to a sense, labour is revelling in this dysfunction, that is just party politics, but i think actually, the damage has been done to the economy, to the public trust, to the economy, to the public trust, to the economy, to the public trust, to the nhs, where massive waiting list and so on, i think that is just so much now that... and the opinion polls are reflected... the local election results deflected it last month. the public have had enough of the conservatives and they have kinda turned against them. i think what rishi sunak does now, he is on a losing wicket. i think most conservative mps recognise that,
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which is why so many are announcing in recent months and they are going to stand down at the next election. thank you very much, that is interesting. thanks for your thoughts. we are going to head to our newsroom. nicky? yes. thoughts. we are going to head to our newsroom. nicky?— our newsroom. nicky? yes, you have been talking — our newsroom. nicky? yes, you have been talking to _ our newsroom. nicky? yes, you have been talking to all _ our newsroom. nicky? yes, you have been talking to all of _ our newsroom. nicky? yes, you have been talking to all of the _ our newsroom. nicky? yes, you have been talking to all of the pundits - been talking to all of the pundits that you have had on with you. what i want to do was just to take a look at the letter itself that boris johnson has released tonight. it is over 1000 words and you can see our colleagues at bbc online have actually put the whole thing up and it goes on and on and on, as you can see, so if you do want to read it for yourself, then all you have to do is head to the bbc news website, but i want to read out some key parts from it, the words that you have been mentioning come in it, drive me out of parliament, kangaroo courts, witch hunt. let me read you a couple of those passages, if you're just a couple of those passages, if you'rejustjoining a couple of those passages, if you're justjoining this, a couple of those passages, if you'rejustjoining this, to bring you'rejustjoining this, to bring you up—to—date with what mrjohnson has said in his statement. he started off, i have received a letter from the privileges committee, making it clear, much to
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my amazement, that they are determined to use the proceedings against me to drive me out of parliament. they have still not produced, he says, a shred of evidence, that i knowingly or recklessly misled the commons. then you can go down and he starts off, i have been an mp since 2001. he says, i take my response abilities seriously, i did not live, and i believe that, in their hearts, the committee know it. but they have been wilfully chosen to ignore the truth, he says, because, from the outset, their purpose has not been to discover the truth, or genuinely to discover the truth, or genuinely to understand what was in my mind when i spoke to the commons, their purpose from the beginning, he says, was to be to find me guilty, regardless of the facts. this is the very definition of a kangaroo court. he goes on to say, most of the members of the committee, especially the chair, who is harriet harman, had already expressed, what he called, deeply prejudicial remarks about my guilt, before they had even seen the evidence. they should have
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a clue is to themselves, he says, and in retrospect, he says he was naive, untrusting of me to think that these proceedings could be remotely or remotely useful or fair, but i was determined to believe the system, and in the injustice —— and to believe injustice, of the system. he does go on to talk about other issues and in particular, he also mentions the tory party. he goes on to say, that, i am not alone in thinking there is a witchhunt under way, to take revenge for brexit and ultimately to reverse the 2016 referendum result. my removal, he says, is the necessary first step, and i believe that there has been a concerted attempt to bring it about. i'm afraid, that this is any coincidence that the sue gray, who is investigating the gatherings at number 10, is investigating the gatherings at number10, is now is investigating the gatherings at number 10, is now chief of staff, of the labour party, who goes on to say, left office year, there was
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only a handful of points behind in the polls. that gap has now massively widened. just a few years after winning the biggest majority of us half a century, the majority is now clearly at risk. he goes on to say this, our party needs to urgently recapture its sense of momentum and its belief in what this country can do. we need to show how we are making the most of brexit and we are making the most of brexit and we need set out in the next month and a progrowth and pro—investment agenda. we to cut business and personal taxes, agenda. we to cut business and personaltaxes, he agenda. we to cut business and personal taxes, he says, and not just as a pre—election gimmicks, rather than endlessly putting them up. he adds, we must not be afraid to be a properly conservative government. he says, we need to deliver on the 2019 manifesto, which was endorsed by a0 million people. we should remember that more than 17 million voted for brexit. we just want to skip to the end, lewis. you have mentioned this, in what you have mentioned this, in what you have been saying, borisjohnson
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says, it is very sad for me to be leaving parliament, at least for now. that is a key part. he goes on, but i am at the world and were appalled that i can be forced out and —— anti—democratic liquor by a committee chair, managed by harriet harman, with such egregious bias. so, as i say, lots of words in that statement, kangaroo court, witchhunt, that we have been using. if you want to read the over 1000 words of borisjohnson that he is delivered in this letter. it is on the bbc news website to read in full. . , , ., i. full. nicky, 'ust before i let you to, full. nicky, 'ust before i let you no, 'ust full. nicky, 'ust before i let you 90,1“.th— full. nicky, just before i let you go. just for a — full. nicky, just before i let you go, just for a second, - full. nicky, just before i let you go, just for a second, just - full. nicky, just before i let you go, just for a second, just do i full. nicky, just before i let you | go, just for a second, just do us full. nicky, just before i let you i go, just for a second, just do us a favour, just scroll like you are doing, there you go... go favour, just scroll like you are doing, there you go. . .- doing, there you go... go in reverse- _ doing, there you go... go in reverse- it _ doing, there you go... go in reverse. it keeps _ doing, there you go... go in reverse. it keeps going - doing, there you go... go in reverse. it keeps going and| doing, there you go... go in l reverse. it keeps going and it doing, there you go... go in - reverse. it keeps going and it keeps anoin! reverse. it keeps going and it keeps going! thank _ reverse. it keeps going and it keeps going! thank you — reverse. it keeps going and it keeps going! thank you very _ reverse. it keeps going and it keeps going! thank you very much, - reverse. it keeps going and it keeps going! thank you very much, nicky. j going! thank you very much, nicky. good to get a visual there on the length of the statement. ijust
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good to get a visual there on the length of the statement. i just want to keep you up to speed with who we are talking to, you can seejoanna nadler there, writer and commentator, former adviser at conservative central office, and a very famous face there, professor john curtis in the middle, and andrew fischer, who was speaking to just a moment ago, comments for the iron paper. and also for the labour party. we were back with our panel adjustment to get reaction from the side of the particles inspection —— political spectrum. we had reaction from angela rayner deputy labour leader. and we now have reaction from the lib dems. the liberal democrats' ed davey. it is... borisjohnson broke the law and lied about it, now he's jumped for he was
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pushed... plenty of political opponents coming in and having their say. a former political opponents, andrew fisher, let's come to you, so what do you make of those kinds of assessments of borisjohnson and his time in office from his opponents? clearly, if you are out watching across the country, there will be many people who have still a great deal of affection for boris johnson and supported everything that he did, for example, with brexit? yes. did, for example, with brexit? yes, of course. — did, for example, with brexit? yes, of course. i— did, for example, with brexit? yes, of course, i don't _ did, for example, with brexit? yes, of course, i don't think— did, for example, with brexit? t2: of course, i don't think brexit is a risk, i think this is cooking up lots of dirt to hide the fact of borisjohnson is the architect of his own downfall, and trying to weave it into some greater conspiracy, which is what, unfortunately people likejohnson and trump do. clearly, you know, he did when an election in 2019 it was very much focused on brexit. his
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poll ratings plummeted shortly afterwards because he did not deliver on his promises, as a number of his promises were shown to be untrue. 0f of his promises were shown to be untrue. of course, his party was engulfed in sleaze, some of which he was personally implicated in covering up, typically around chris pinchot, for example, and there were many links in this change before we got here, and of course, his own behaviour in trying to cover up his indiscretions during lockdown. —— pincher. many of his aides were found to have broken lockdown rules. this is the first british prime minister to have broken the law while in office. i think. it is not surprising to see that he is where he is. it is also not surprising his record, he is trying to blame it on everyone else but himself and kept up everyone else but himself and kept up all this dirt, it is a grand conspiracy, but actually the labour party has never actually been more in favour of keeping, where we are
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brexit, then it is now, the liberal democrats went into the last election, are now accepting brexit as well, but it is pretty much dead as well, but it is pretty much dead as an issue. a bit of tinkering around the edges... t as an issue. a bit of tinkering around the edges. . .- as an issue. a bit of tinkering around the edges... i will leave the brexit issue — around the edges... i will leave the brexit issue aside _ around the edges... i will leave the brexit issue aside because - around the edges... i will leave the brexit issue aside because you - around the edges... i will leave the brexit issue aside because you did| brexit issue aside because you did just cover that. i want to come back to your overall political obituary of borisjohnson. joanne, do you think the history books will be as critical as that? t think the history books will be as critical as that?— critical as that? i think the thing about itoris _ critical as that? i think the thing about boris johnson _ critical as that? i think the thing about boris johnson is _ critical as that? i think the thing about boris johnson is that - critical as that? i think the thing about boris johnson is that he i critical as that? i think the thing j about boris johnson is that he is critical as that? i think the thing l about boris johnson is that he is a about borisjohnson is that he is a complicated person and a complicated politician _ complicated person and a complicated politician. but because he has this amazing _ politician. but because he has this amazing charisma, you do tend to find that_ amazing charisma, you do tend to find that people either really love him or— find that people either really love him or they really hate him. it is quite _ him or they really hate him. it is quite difficult to have a balanced assessment of him. i think the history— assessment of him. i think the history books should give him credit for managing to get brexit through, because _ for managing to get brexit through,
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because whole parts of the establishment, including i have to say, establishment, including i have to say. many— establishment, including i have to say, many ways, the bbc, we are very against _ say, many ways, the bbc, we are very against that — say, many ways, the bbc, we are very against that happening. he took that on, against that happening. he took that on. he _ against that happening. he took that on, he confronted it and he achieved it. on, he confronted it and he achieved it very— on, he confronted it and he achieved it. very sadly, i have to say, then, before _ it. very sadly, i have to say, then, before a _ it. very sadly, i have to say, then, before a host _ it. very sadly, i have to say, then, before a host desperate for a host of reasons, — before a host desperate for a host of reasons, notjust before a host desperate for a host of reasons, not just for his own failings, — of reasons, not just for his own failings, as— of reasons, not just for his own failings, as it were, but obviously, the pandemic, obviously his own illness, — the pandemic, obviously his own illness, he — the pandemic, obviously his own illness, he rather neglected to finish — illness, he rather neglected to finish the _ illness, he rather neglected to finish the job, shall we say? —— for a host— finish the job, shall we say? —— for a host of— finish the job, shall we say? —— for a host of reasons. he sold out those people _ a host of reasons. he sold out those people who — a host of reasons. he sold out those people who gave him their backing for their— people who gave him their backing for their first time, those people in the _ for their first time, those people in the red — for their first time, those people in the red seats, he disappointed them, _ in the red seats, he disappointed them, his— in the red seats, he disappointed them, his government disappointed them, _ them, his government disappointed them, and — them, his government disappointed them, and consequently, the conservative party is still struggling to right itself, after all of— struggling to right itself, after all of that. i think it is a very complicated medicine, and i do not think— complicated medicine, and i do not think his _ complicated medicine, and i do not think his political career is over, although— think his political career is over, although his westminster one, i
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would _ although his westminster one, i would say, it is. it although his westminster one, i would say, it is.— although his westminster one, i would say, it is. it is interesting. let's pick — would say, it is. it is interesting. let's pick it _ would say, it is. it is interesting. let's pick it up — would say, it is. it is interesting. let's pick it up with _ would say, it is. it is interesting. let's pick it up with fattah - would say, it is. it is interesting. let's pick it up with fattah john i let's pick it up with fattahjohn curtis. read the last line of the johnson statement. it is very sad to be leaving parliament, at least for now. what do you interpret that to mean? what do you think i boris johnson's future, or otherwise? t johnson's future, or otherwise? i think it is all the peace of somebody who is otherwise unsurprisingly deeply reluctant to accept thejudgment of unsurprisingly deeply reluctant to accept the judgment of his peers and perhaps therefore is hoping that maybe there will be some way back. but i think the honest truth... the thing that mrjohnson is to appreciate, so far as the wider public is concerned, is that when politicians do that thing they sometimes do, just give me one word that comes to your mind if i mention a particular politician, so keir starmerfor a particular politician, so keir starmer for example, this exercise
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is not particularly laudatory, the weather comes out most often is boring, but in the case of mr johnson, the word that comes out is a liar. as hasjust been said, and i said before, yes, mrjohnson deserves great credit for winning the 2019 general election, he will go down in history as the person who, in the end, was fundamental for getting the united kingdom outside the european union, although we wait to see how long that decision survives, but at the same time, he is somebody who destroyed... he had the misfortune of covid, but in the end, he destroyed his physical capability, because the public, there was too much of a mismatch between what he was saying to the house of commons about partygate, and it is simply, as far as they are concerned, what they now know happened in 10 downing street during the covid—19 lockdown
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