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experience showers. at the showers are confined, very small areas of downpours, gusty wind at times as well. so, many of us will miss the showers altogether. it is going to be essentially a hot and sunny day for many of us. inland, temperatures in the mid—to—high 20s, possibly 30 degrees and a few spots. i think more comfortable around coastal areas. i'm pleased to say it'll be a lot better on the north sea coast, 22 celsius after the recent cooler days. on sunday, a greater chance of catching showers across the western areas. the showers will be slow
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moving, frequent lightning, gusty wind and, again, hailat times. it won't last very long because this will quickly turn back to sunshine. a bit of a mixed bag for some of us over the course of the weekend. overall, it is a hot one. 22 degrees in newcastle on sunday. how long is this warm weather going to last? well into the week ahead, we can see those temperatures hovering about above average, with one or two ago showers still lingering into monday. so summer is well and truly here. back to thanks, tomasz. and that's bbc news at ten. you can keep up with all the latest developments on bbc website. from the ten team it's goodbye. newsnight with faisal islam is just getting under way on bbc two. the news continues here on bbc one, as now it's time to join our colleagues across the nations and regions for the news where you are. goodnight.
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boris johnson resigns from parliament, alleging a witchhunt. is this the end for the former pm, or a return to a full—blown conservative civil war? good evening. "forced out" — that is the claim, his claim, the words of the former pm borisjohnson, who resigned tonight as an mp, after he received the findings of a report
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from a committee who had been investigating whether he deliberately misled parliament over the partygate affair. there are reports tonight that when mrjohnson received that draft — signed off by mps on the conservative—majority privileges committee — he saw it was recommending a suspension of over ten days, a triggerfor a possible recall petition that could have led to the loss of his uxbridge seat. whatever the committee's findings, what is in no doubt is that his resignation was accompanied by an extraordinary statement, alleging a witchhunt, attacking the current prime minister's political record, and suggesting he was exiting the commons "for now". this latest twist on several years of tory psychodrama came on the day his prime ministerial resignation honours were finally published, showering honours on his allies, but also leading to the resignation from parliament of his ally, former culture secretary nadine dorries. a desperate last political act, or the start of further conservative in—fighting that could imperil the sunak premiership? we'll discuss all this
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with conservative politicians, labour's shadow attorney general and our expert political panel. first, here's nick on an explosive night in westminster. a colossus who towered over our politics in or out of office. but borisjohnson is gone, for now at least, with a blistering attack on those he deems as follows. 0f least, with a blistering attack on those he deems as follows. of the parliamentary committee deciding whether he misled mps over downing street lockdown parties, the former prime minister said... the father of brexit detected a plot to undermine that vote, even though the most senior tories on that
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committee are brexiteers. he said... and then, he turned on rishi sunak for abandoning his political mission. he said... finally, confirmation he is off, although it is more au revior than farewell. he said... ajournalist although it is more au revior than farewell. he said... a journalist on borisjohnson�*s old paper says don't write him off. boris johnson's old paper says don't write him off-— write him off. boris johnson is going nowhere. _ write him off. boris johnson is going nowhere. he may - write him off. boris johnson is - going nowhere. he may have said leaving parliament, triggering an immediate abolition in a seat which the lib dems must surely win now but i don't think he is going to go
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anywhere because in a sense he has said he is off for now. he said for now i'm leaving, the same language he used when he didn't stand i guess rishi sunak to be leader. he wishes he will come back at some point and i think he will become this kind of bank while ghost at the tory feast for many years to come.— for many years to come. the final sto for many years to come. the final step boris — for many years to come. the final stop boris johnson _ for many years to come. the final stop boris johnson was _ for many years to come. the final stop boris johnson was a - for many years to come. the final stop boris johnson was a letter. for many years to come. the final i stop boris johnson was a letter from stop borisjohnson was a letter from the cross—party commons committee informing him of its findings. it was examining whether he misled mps deliberately or recklessly when he denied knowledge of lockdown parties in downing street. a key and damning moment for borisjohnson in the eyes of many on the committee came when he dismissed a question from a senior tory, he dismissed a question from a seniortory, sir charles he dismissed a question from a senior tory, sir charles walker. was he guilty of the lesser offence of misleading the commons recklessly rather than deliberately? this was described to newsnight as a ladder
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for borisjohnson climb down to ensure a lower punishment. if for boris johnson climb down to ensure a lower punishment. if not delivered. — ensure a lower punishment. if not delivered. if— ensure a lower punishment. if not delivered, if not _ ensure a lower punishment. if not delivered, if not deliberate, - ensure a lower punishment. if not delivered, if not deliberate, is - ensure a lower punishment. if not delivered, if not deliberate, is it l delivered, if not deliberate, is it possible that it was reckless or slightly reckless, not with caveat statements to the house, to the best of my knowledge, or i really do hope it was the certainty of the statement. is it possible to accept that actually, there was a degree of recklessness? ida. that actually, there was a degree of recklessness?— that actually, there was a degree of recklessness? ., , ., , ., , recklessness? no. nobody wants to be an osition recklessness? no. nobody wants to be any position when _ recklessness? no. nobody wants to be any position when they _ recklessness? no. nobody wants to be any position when they are _ any position when they are misleading the house. nobody wants to say— misleading the house. nobody wants to say something the house of commons that will be, that will turn out not _ commons that will be, that will turn out not to— commons that will be, that will turn out not to be true, especially something that can readily be as falsified — something that can readily be as falsified as the guidance being followed completely. it was my leave -- like _ followed completely. it was my leave -- like my— followed completely. it was my leave —— like my belief that was the case. the brief_ —— like my belief that was the case. the brief loneliness of the short distance jogger, the brief loneliness of the short distancejogger, but neverfarfrom distance jogger, but never far from the
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distancejogger, but neverfarfrom the centre of attention. bowing out for now but buying out with a political purpose as borisjohnson mulls his future. and nick's here. all sorts of suggestions coming to westminster, what is the latest which allowed the two camps are lining up there is a very clear view. the borisjohnson camp, it is not over, he will be back at a yet unspecified date. the not over, he will be back at a yet unspecified date.— unspecified date. the view from the rishi sunak — unspecified date. the view from the rishi sunak camp _ unspecified date. the view from the rishi sunak camp the _ unspecified date. the view from the rishi sunak camp the boris - unspecified date. the view from the rishi sunak camp the boris johnson| rishi sunak camp the borisjohnson is a busted flush and as one of his supporters say, it is over for boris johnson. that's a very, very strong language. i spoke to one very long serving conservative mp who was a big borisjohnson backer, now a big supporter of the prime minister, this person talked about how boris johnson was great fun, the dinner party companion and a great author but then, this person said, boris johnson should never have been leader of the conservative party. he should never have been prime
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minister. in the conservative party in handing him both thosejobs made a terrible mistake that is likely future to pay very high price. in this person talked about news of the honours list this afternoon, people like nadine dorries getting an honour and this person said, the icing on the cake of that mistake was his resignation honours list. this was like medieval monarch rewarding his gang. it looked awful and it's damaging to our party. then this person said, borisjohnson is like a cancer in our politics and we must remove and zap that cancer. from the borisjohnson camp, absolutely not over. i spoke to one of his allies, a former minister who said the borisjohnson feels said the boris johnson feels generally hard said the borisjohnson feels generally hard done by him believing that the conservative whips should have stopped this committee. it was famously a labour motion, humble address that went through, conservative mps didn't vote it
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through, they think it shouldn't have happened in the second big grievance is this person saying it's a witchhunt because they changed the terms, looking about whether he recklessly or deliberately misled the house. this person said rather than face death by a thousand cuts, borisjohnson than face death by a thousand cuts, boris johnson seized than face death by a thousand cuts, borisjohnson seized control of it but crucially it's not the end of his career. this person's view is that they do not believe he will stand in a by—election, he will not stand in a by—election, he will not stand in a by—election, he will not stand in the general election because as this person said it is in boris johnson's because as this person said it is in borisjohnson's interests because as this person said it is in boris johnson's interests for because as this person said it is in borisjohnson's interests for rishi sunak to file, so he doesn't want to help him in the next general election, he needs rishi sunak to lose and then he needs to find an opportunity to come back to parliament because you can't lead the conservative party if you're not an mp. 50 the conservative party if you're not an mp. the conservative party if you're not an mp, , ., the conservative party if you're not an mp. , ., , , , an mp. so the statement is pretty mind-boggling- — an mp. so the statement is pretty mind-boggling. some _ an mp. so the statement is pretty mind-boggling. some of- an mp. so the statement is pretty mind-boggling. some of the - an mp. so the statement is pretty. mind-boggling. some of the claims mind—boggling. some of the claims made. is there a strategy here from the former prime minister? 0bviously he has chosen to have a go at the
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promise, saying he has lost his political mojo, what's he trying to achieve? political mo'o, what's he trying to achieve? ., . ~' political mo'o, what's he trying to achieve? ., .,~ ., ., political mo'o, what's he trying to achieve? ., ., ., ., ., ,, achieve? to take aim at two groups, firstl the achieve? to take aim at two groups, firstly the privileges committee - firstly the privileges committee saying it is a kangaroo court and it's an attempt to overturn the british referendum but as i sit in the film, two of the most senior conservative members of the committee are brexiteers, and the other is obviously the prime minister. ~ ., other is obviously the prime minister. ~ .., other is obviously the prime minister. ~ ., minister. we may come back to you later. with me here is emily thornberry, labour's shadow attorney general, chairman of the conservative democratic organisation and former mep david campbell bannerman, conservative mp bob seely, and formerjustice secretary and chief secretary to the treasury, david gauke. thank you so much forjoining us tonight. let's start with you, david campbell bannerman. it was a commons report by elected mps, conservative majority, from a crowd of seven and it hasn't gone well for boris johnson. i it hasn't gone well for boris johnson. ~ . it hasn't gone well for boris johnson. ~ , ., , . , johnson. i think it is a stitch up riaht johnson. i think it is a stitch up right from _ johnson. i think it is a stitch up right from the _ johnson. i think it is a stitch up right from the start. _ johnson. i think it is a stitch up
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right from the start. to - johnson. i think it is a stitch up right from the start. to be - right from the start. to be honest, if a court behaved this way they would all be thrown out including thejudge. allegedly harriet would all be thrown out including the judge. allegedly harriet harman was talking to sue gray, the infamous sue gray, is this all kicked off, and the big questions about the fairness of this procedure, think it is a very day for democracy in boris is right to call it undemocratic that i hope he does come back, i believe he will. two of the four conservatives on there, that is a majority of the committee of seven, they are knighted and they were brexiteers as well, are you seriously calling them out as a kangaroo court, anti—democratic and a witchhunt? yes. i have respect for them as individuals, i know them well. but i'm afraid the way this was conducted was outrageous. recklessly misled was mentioned in the report. that is a made up term, it doesn't have any legal basis. the whole
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thing is a disgrace. the point is, it doesn't actually follow normal rules of procedure in a court. which would be much stricter. what the individual mps have said. harriet harman said he was guilty right from the start, tweeting this. 0utrageous. it is not fair and i think the public will wake up to this and think it is an establishment stitch up, punishment for brexit. .. . .. establishment stitch up, punishment forbrexit. ., , ., for brexit. that is what boris johnson says. _ for brexit. that is what boris johnson says, are _ for brexit. that is what boris johnson says, are not - for brexit. that is what boris johnson says, are not alone| for brexit. that is what boris. johnson says, are not alone in thinking there is a witchhunt underway to take revenge for brexit and ultimately to reverse the 2016 referendum result. charles walker and sabrina jenkin are trying to reverse brexit? —— sir bernard jenkin. it seems delusional that you are suggesting that those two would back some sort of witchhunt to reverse brexit.— back some sort of witchhunt to reverse brexit. david campbell itonnermnn? —
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reverse brexit. david campbell bannerman? sorry, _ reverse brexit. david campbell bannerman? sorry, that - reverse brexit. david campbell bannerman? sorry, that was . reverse brexit. david campbelll bannerman? sorry, that was for reverse brexit. david campbell - bannerman? sorry, that was for me? i don't think it is delusional. i'm very aware... i do call it a coup, how they got rid of boris... aha, very aware... i do call it a coup, how they got rid of boris... a clue? yes, it is a — how they got rid of boris... a clue? yes, it is a coup. _ how they got rid of boris... a clue? yes, it is a coup. if— how they got rid of boris... a clue? yes, it is a coup. if you _ yes, it is a coup. if you actually analyse what went on, the use of the media, the cake, his advisers ate that cake, i don't think you ever saw it. a lot of this is farcical, but is very dangerous, and it is about brexit, and boris was very important to the referendum, campaigned with him in norwich, and he was very important to it and i think he's been punished for that more than anything. get rid of boris and you get labour in and they can start to reverse it, that's what it's all really about.— start to reverse it, that's what it's all really about. let's bring in bob seeley, _ it's all really about. let's bring in bob seeley, you're - it's all really about. let's bring in bob seeley, you're an - it's all really about. let's bring in bob seeley, you're an mp, i it's all really about. let's bring i in bob seeley, you're an mp, this language from the former leader, who you support it at the time, kangaroo
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court, witchhunt, criticism of rishi sunak, it must make you feel pretty queasy? sunak, it must make you feel pretty rueas ? ., ., , sunak, it must make you feel pretty aueas? ., ., , , , queasy? not really because the fundamentals _ queasy? not really because the fundamentals haven't _ queasy? not really because the fundamentals haven't changed. j queasy? not really because the - fundamentals haven't changed. we have a _ fundamentals haven't changed. we have a good strong leader who is decisive — have a good strong leader who is decisive and focused on delivery in rishi _ decisive and focused on delivery in rishi sunak and labour have a weak and indecisive leader. that hasn't changed — and indecisive leader. that hasn't changed. punished in the elections this year— changed. punished in the elections this year because last year we did birthing _ this year because last year we did birthing partner hasn't changed. onto_ birthing partner hasn't changed. onto the — birthing partner hasn't changed. 0nto the boris stuff because clearly that's _ 0nto the boris stuff because clearly that's what talking about. i thought he was _ that's what talking about. i thought he was great and he absolutely delivered brexit and he will always have a _ delivered brexit and he will always have a place in our history for that — have a place in our history for that he — have a place in our history for that. he was relentlessly attacked by a relatively poisonous, i would say, _ by a relatively poisonous, i would say, remain— by a relatively poisonous, i would say, remain a leader who developed in an— say, remain a leader who developed in an irrational hatred for him in the same — in an irrational hatred for him in the same way that intelligence in this country developed in russia hid for mrs _ this country developed in russia hid for mrs thatcher. if you know people are out _ for mrs thatcher. if you know people are out to _ for mrs thatcher. if you know people are out to get you, don't give them the ammunition to do so, and boris
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didn't— the ammunition to do so, and boris didn't change at he didn't see these people relentlessly attacking him because — people relentlessly attacking him because he thought that he could survive _ because he thought that he could survive. unfortunately, he gave them the tools— survive. unfortunately, he gave them the tools to _ survive. unfortunately, he gave them the tools to finish him off. i wish he hadn't — the tools to finish him off. i wish he hadn't and i wish you were still prime _ he hadn't and i wish you were still prime minister now. but last year, you cant— prime minister now. but last year, you can't take back last year matter with boris _ you can't take back last year matter with boris or with liz. we have to move _ with boris or with liz. we have to move on. — with boris or with liz. we have to move on, despite everything david says and _ move on, despite everything david says and i— move on, despite everything david says and i have a lot of sympathy with some — says and i have a lot of sympathy with some of the issues raised by this kangaroo court, the fact is that— this kangaroo court, the fact is that we — this kangaroo court, the fact is that we need to move on, entertainment politics aside which is frankly— entertainment politics aside which is frankly what this is becoming, the fundamentals haven't changed, we have to _ the fundamentals haven't changed, we have to move forward and try to win the next _ have to move forward and try to win the next election but we are lucky that labour do not have a tony blair and overturn — that labour do not have a tony blair and overturn the announce a policy, it pretty _ and overturn the announce a policy, it pretty much falls apart a few weeks — it pretty much falls apart a few weeks later as one of their policies have done — weeks later as one of their policies have done today so provided we get our act _ have done today so provided we get our act together, we can unify, we have _ our act together, we can unify, we have a _ our act together, we can unify, we have a decisive and strong lady, we can still— have a decisive and strong lady, we can still turn — have a decisive and strong lady, we can still turn this around. —— strong — can still turn this around. —— strong leader.
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david gauke, is this the end or the beginning of a countercoup? clearly in boris johnson's world _ beginning of a countercoup? clearly in boris johnson's world it is - in borisjohnson's world it is at the end, looking _ in borisjohnson's world it is at the end, looking at his- in boris johnson's world it is at - the end, looking at his statement he clearly has _ the end, looking at his statement he clearly has ambitions to _ the end, looking at his statement he clearly has ambitions to return but . clearly has ambitions to return but if the _ clearly has ambitions to return but if the conservative party— clearly has ambitions to return but if the conservative party wants toi if the conservative party wants to take a _ if the conservative party wants to take a sensible _ if the conservative party wants to take a sensible approach - if the conservative party wants to - take a sensible approach they should make it _ take a sensible approach they should make it clear— take a sensible approach they should make it clear that _ take a sensible approach they should make it clear that this _ take a sensible approach they should make it clear that this is the - take a sensible approach they should make it clear that this is the end - make it clear that this is the end for boris — make it clear that this is the end for borisjohnson. _ make it clear that this is the end for borisjohnson. i— make it clear that this is the end for borisjohnson. i think- make it clear that this is the end for borisjohnson. i think he's i make it clear that this is the end i for borisjohnson. i think he's done enormous — for borisjohnson. i think he's done enormous damage _ for borisjohnson. i think he's done enormous damage to _ for borisjohnson. i think he's done enormous damage to the _ for borisjohnson. i think he's done l enormous damage to the reputation for borisjohnson. i think he's done - enormous damage to the reputation of the conservative _ enormous damage to the reputation of the conservative party— enormous damage to the reputation of the conservative party in _ enormous damage to the reputation of the conservative party in terms of- the conservative party in terms of honesty and — the conservative party in terms of honesty and competence. - the conservative party in terms of honesty and competence. and - the conservative party in terms ofl honesty and competence. and that the conservative party in terms of- honesty and competence. and that the greater— honesty and competence. and that the greater the _ honesty and competence. and that the greater the distance _ honesty and competence. and that the greater the distance the _ honesty and competence. and that the greater the distance the prime - greater the distance the prime minister— greater the distance the prime minister can— greater the distance the prime minister can put— greater the distance the prime minister can put between- greater the distance the prime i minister can put between himself greater the distance the prime - minister can put between himself and borisjohnson — minister can put between himself and borisjohnson over— minister can put between himself and borisjohnson over the _ minister can put between himself and boris johnson over the weeks - boris johnson over the weeks ahead, the hetter~ _ boris johnson over the weeks ahead, the hetter~ the — boris johnson over the weeks ahead, the better. the sooner— boris johnson over the weeks ahead, the better. the sooner that - boris johnson over the weeks ahead, the better. the sooner that process. the better. the sooner that process begins, _ the better. the sooner that process begins, the — the better. the sooner that process begins, the better— the better. the sooner that process begins, the better as _ the better. the sooner that process begins, the better as well. - the better. the sooner that process begins, the betteras well. i- the better. the sooner that process begins, the better as well. i think. begins, the better as well. ithink he's done — begins, the better as well. ithink he's done a — begins, the better as well. ithink he's done a great _ begins, the better as well. ithink he's done a great deal— begins, the better as well. ithink he's done a great deal of- begins, the better as well. ithinkl he's done a great deal of damage. fundamentally _ he's done a great deal of damage. fundamentally what _ he's done a great deal of damage. fundamentally what have - he's done a great deal of damage. fundamentally what have we - fundamentally what have we learned today? _ fundamentally what have we learned today? a _ fundamentally what have we learned today? a cross—party _ fundamentally what have we learned today? a cross—party committee - fundamentally what have we learnedj today? a cross—party committee with a majority— today? a cross—party committee with a majority of— today? a cross—party committee with a majority of conservative _ today? a cross—party committee with a majority of conservative voices - a majority of conservative voices concluded — a majority of conservative voices concluded that _ a majority of conservative voices concluded that he _ a majority of conservative voices concluded that he had _ a majority of conservative voices concluded that he had misled . a majority of conservative voicesl concluded that he had misled the house _ concluded that he had misled the house and — concluded that he had misled the house and out _ concluded that he had misled the house and put forward _ concluded that he had misled the house and put forward a - concluded that he had misled the| house and put forward a proposal concluded that he had misled the - house and put forward a proposal for a suspension — house and put forward a proposal for a suspension of— house and put forward a proposal for a suspension of ten _ house and put forward a proposal for a suspension of ten days _ house and put forward a proposal for a suspension of ten days or- house and put forward a proposal for a suspension of ten days or more. i a suspension of ten days or more. boris _ a suspension of ten days or more. borisjohnson _ a suspension of ten days or more.
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borisjohnson didn't— a suspension of ten days or more. boris johnson didn't want - a suspension of ten days or more. boris johnson didn't want to - a suspension of ten days or more. boris johnson didn't want to find i boris johnson didn't want to find that in_ boris johnson didn't want to find that in the — boris johnson didn't want to find that in the commons, _ boris johnson didn't want to find that in the commons, didn't - boris johnson didn't want to find i that in the commons, didn't want boris johnson didn't want to find - that in the commons, didn't want to put his— that in the commons, didn't want to put his case — that in the commons, didn't want to put his case to — that in the commons, didn't want to put his case to the _ that in the commons, didn't want to put his case to the people _ that in the commons, didn't want to put his case to the people of- put his case to the people of uxbridge _ put his case to the people of uxbridge and _ put his case to the people of uxbridge and south - put his case to the people of uxbridge and south ruislip.| put his case to the people of. uxbridge and south ruislip. he put his case to the people of- uxbridge and south ruislip. he has stepped _ uxbridge and south ruislip. he has stepped awav — uxbridge and south ruislip. he has stepped away and _ uxbridge and south ruislip. he has stepped away and has _ uxbridge and south ruislip. he has stepped away and has used - stepped away and has used essentially— stepped away and has used essentially the _ stepped away and has used essentially the tactics of. stepped away and has used - essentially the tactics of donald trump, — essentially the tactics of donald trump. claiming _ essentially the tactics of donald trump, claiming there's- essentially the tactics of donald trump, claiming there's a - trump, claiming there's a conspiracy, _ trump, claiming there's a conspiracy, claiming - trump, claiming there's a conspiracy, claiming the i trump, claiming there's a - conspiracy, claiming the elites are against _ conspiracy, claiming the elites are against him. — conspiracy, claiming the elites are against him, rather— conspiracy, claiming the elites are against him, rather than - conspiracy, claiming the elites are against him, rather than taking i against him, rather than taking personal— against him, rather than taking personal responsibility. - against him, rather than taking personal responsibility. it - against him, rather than taking personal responsibility. it wasl against him, rather than takingl personal responsibility. it was a statement — personal responsibility. it was a statement that— personal responsibility. it was a statement that was _ personal responsibility. it was a statement that was self - personal responsibility. it was a| statement that was self pitying, avoiding — statement that was self pitying, avoiding responsibility. - statement that was self pitying, avoiding responsibility. it- statement that was self pitying, avoiding responsibility. it was i avoiding responsibility. it was undignified _ avoiding responsibility. it was undignified and _ avoiding responsibility. it was undignified and i'm _ avoiding responsibility. it was undignified and i'm afraid - avoiding responsibility. it was undignified and i'm afraid alll avoiding responsibility. it was i undignified and i'm afraid all too characteristic. _ undignified and i'm afraid all too characteristic.— undignified and i'm afraid all too characteristic. let's bring in emily thornherrv _ characteristic. let's bring in emily thornherrv in _ characteristic. let's bring in emily thornberry in the _ characteristic. let's bring in emily thornberry in the studio. - thornberry in the studio. some accusations in the statement and from david about the role of harriet harman and sue grey. questions to answer? i harman and sue grey. questions to answer? ~ . harman and sue grey. questions to answer? ~ , ., , answer? i think listening to this, if the public _ answer? i think listening to this, if the public voted _ answer? i think listening to this, if the public voted for _ if the public voted for conservatives again they would have another five years of this. this is just more and more corruption and fighting and chaos and it doesn't
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really matter who is leading the conservative party. that's what we get. what we are not getting is a focus on the cost of living crisis and a leader who is prepared to address that. they aren't talking about fixing the nhs, they aren't talking about fighting crime. these are the things that are important and as a member of the public watching this, they might think this is all very well, this soap opera, the roller—coaster, but what about me and my life? isn't politics about making the lives of people better, not looking after themselves or their future or blaming other people or filling their future or blaming other people orfilling up their future or blaming other people or filling up with self—pity. boris's problems he brought on himself. none of this matters. what matters is we have proper politics addressing the issues and thinking about the public. two by-elections to deal with- _ about the public. two by-elections to deal with. we are _ about the public. two by-elections to deal with. we are going - about the public. two by-elections to deal with. we are going to - about the public. two by-elections to deal with. we are going to go i about the public. two by-elections| to deal with. we are going to go for them. i to deal with. we are going to go for them- i think _ to deal with. we are going to go for them. i think we _ to deal with. we are going to go for them. i think we have _ to deal with. we are going to go for them. i think we have a _ to deal with. we are going to go for them. i think we have a good - to deal with. we are going to go for| them. i think we have a good chance of winning them. what we are
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focusing on are the issues of the people. i think we have a good chance in both by—elections of winning. i know that tomorrow, i've had a message tonight, there's a meeting of activists tomorrow in uxbridge and we are going for that and we'll go for bedfordshire as well. in the last 22 general elections we've come in second place in 18 of them in mid beds. according to the polling we are very close. ila to the polling we are very close. no standing aside for the lib dems? to the polling we are very close. no i standing aside for the lib dems? no, we can win standing aside for the lib dems? iifr, we can win both of them if we work. putting those points to david, severe criticism of borisjohnson over his conduct and also this idea that there is a witchhunt. can i ask emil , that there is a witchhunt. can i ask emily. how — that there is a witchhunt. can i ask emily. how many _ that there is a witchhunt. can i ask emily, how many labour _ that there is a witchhunt. can i ask emily, how many labour mps - that there is a witchhunt. can i ask emily, how many labour mps are i emily, how many labour mps are currently— emily, how many labour mps are currently suspended? i'm losing track— currently suspended? i'm losing track at — currently suspended? i'm losing track at the moment. some have disappeared altogether and some of
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these _ disappeared altogether and some of these charges are more serious than eating _ these charges are more serious than eating cake — these charges are more serious than eating cake. emily, how many? i�*m eating cake. emily, how many? i'm not eating cake. emily, how many? not getting eating cake. emily, how many? i“n not getting involved in this. the point is that politics oughta be about the issues. politics oughta be about the issues. politics oughta be about making the lives of people better. if people have behaved badly they should go or they should be suspended or disciplined. that is what is happening, that is what happened to borisjohnson, and quite right too. it doesn't really matter who your leader is, you don't know what you're doing and you are fighting each other, like rats in a sack. i5 fighting each other, like rats in a sack. . ., ., fighting each other, like rats in a sack. , ., ., ., fighting each other, like rats in a sack. , ., . sack. is it good for the civil service. — sack. is it good for the civil service, what _ sack. is it good for the civil service, what sue - sack. is it good for the civil service, what sue grey - sack. is it good for the civil| service, what sue grey did? sack. is it good for the civil. service, what sue grey did? is sack. is it good for the civil- service, what sue grey did? is that something — service, what sue grey did? is that something you condone? talking to the opposition when she's working for the _ the opposition when she's working for the prime minister. the opposition when she's working forthe prime minister. | the opposition when she's working for the prime minister.— for the prime minister. i think that's untrue _ for the prime minister. i think that's untrue and _ for the prime minister. i think that's untrue and i _ for the prime minister. i think that's untrue and i think - for the prime minister. i think that's untrue and i think you i for the prime minister. i think - that's untrue and i think you have to be careful what you say. you can't chuck around things like that. let's bring in bob. this is a week when rishi sunak wanted to be on the
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world stage. he comes back and he is drawn back into the mire. he has come back after getting the new atlantic deal which is a pretty big deal, fantastic achievement. i agree with emily that _ deal, fantastic achievement. i agree with emily that we _ deal, fantastic achievement. i agree with emily that we have _ deal, fantastic achievement. i agree with emily that we have to - deal, fantastic achievement. i agree with emily that we have to get - deal, fantastic achievement. i agree with emily that we have to get back| with emily that we have to get back to proper— with emily that we have to get back to proper politics _ with emily that we have to get back to proper politics. i'm _ with emily that we have to get back to proper politics. i'm fed _ with emily that we have to get back to proper politics. i'm fed up- with emily that we have to get back to proper politics. i'm fed up with l to proper politics. i'm fed up with this soap — to proper politics. i'm fed up with this soap opera _ to proper politics. i'm fed up with this soap opera and _ to proper politics. i'm fed up withl this soap opera and entertainment politics _ this soap opera and entertainment politics what _ this soap opera and entertainment politics. what we _ this soap opera and entertainment politics. what we need _ this soap opera and entertainment politics. what we need to - this soap opera and entertainment politics. what we need to be - politics. what we need to be focusing _ politics. what we need to be focusing on— politics. what we need to be focusing on is— politics. what we need to be focusing on is people's - politics. what we need to be - focusing on is people's concerns and on that— focusing on is people's concerns and on that i_ focusing on is people's concerns and on that i agree _ focusing on is people's concerns and on that i agree. where _ focusing on is people's concerns and on that i agree. where we _ focusing on is people's concerns and on that i agree. where we disagreei on that i agree. where we disagree is that— on that i agree. where we disagree is that emily. — on that i agree. where we disagree is that emily. you _ on that i agree. where we disagree is that emily, you have _ on that i agree. where we disagree is that emily, you have a _ on that i agree. where we disagree is that emily, you have a leader- on that i agree. where we disagreei is that emily, you have a leader who is that emily, you have a leader who is all— is that emily, you have a leader who is all over— is that emily, you have a leader who is all over the — is that emily, you have a leader who is all over the place _ is that emily, you have a leader who is all over the place on _ is that emily, you have a leader who is all over the place on tax _ is that emily, you have a leader who is all over the place on tax and - is all over the place on tax and immigration _ is all over the place on tax and immigration and _ is all over the place on tax and immigration and tuition - is all over the place on tax and immigration and tuition fees . is all over the place on tax and l immigration and tuition fees and doctor's— immigration and tuition fees and doctor's pension _ immigration and tuition fees and doctor's pension reforms - immigration and tuition fees and doctor's pension reforms and . immigration and tuition fees and . doctor's pension reforms and can't even _ doctor's pension reforms and can't even let— doctor's pension reforms and can't even let us— doctor's pension reforms and can't even let us know— doctor's pension reforms and can't even let us know if _ doctor's pension reforms and can't even let us know if he _ doctor's pension reforms and can't even let us know if he thinks - doctor's pension reforms and can't even let us know if he thinks what| doctor's pension reforms and can'ti even let us know if he thinks what a woman— even let us know if he thinks what a woman is— even let us know if he thinks what a woman is or— even let us know if he thinks what a woman is or not _ even let us know if he thinks what a woman is or not. your— even let us know if he thinks what a woman is or not. your leader- even let us know if he thinks what a woman is or not. your leader is - even let us know if he thinks what a i woman is or not. your leader is weak and indecisive — woman is or not. your leader is weak and indecisive, that's _ woman is or not. your leader is weak and indecisive, that's the _ woman is or not. your leader is weak and indecisive, that's the reality. - and indecisive, that's the reality. five years. — and indecisive, that's the reality. five years. if— and indecisive, that's the reality. five years, if you _ and indecisive, that's the reality. five years, if you vote _ five years, if you vote conservative, - five years, if you vote conservative, you - five years, if you vote conservative, you get| five years, if you vote - conservative, you get five years five years, if you vote _ conservative, you get five years of rishi _ conservative, you get five years of rishi sunak. — conservative, you get five years of rishi sunak, strong _ conservative, you get five years of rishi sunak, strong and _ conservative, you get five years of rishi sunak, strong and decisive . rishi sunak, strong and decisive leadership _ rishi sunak, strong and decisive leadership hie _ rishi sunak, strong and decisive leadership-— rishi sunak, strong and decisive leadershi. ~ , ., leadership. we must leave it there. one more question _ leadership. we must leave it there. one more question for _ leadership. we must leave it there. one more question for david. - leadership. we must leave it there. | one more question for david. where are you willing to push this,
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supporters of borisjohnson? do you see a split in the conservative party? how far will you push this? i party? how farwill you push this? i don't want to see the party split but i _ don't want to see the party split but i think— don't want to see the party split but i think that this is a de facto split _ but i think that this is a de facto split i— but i think that this is a de facto split. i speak for the conservative democratic organisation and we are prepared _ democratic organisation and we are prepared to fight the case and we will rally— prepared to fight the case and we will rally around our race in whatever— will rally around our race in whatever form. will rally around our race in whateverform. i will rally around our race in whatever form. i don't believe in new parties. we believe in a true conservative party and we will push for that _ conservative party and we will push for that. that means proper conduct and democracy. this is not the case in the _ and democracy. this is not the case in the privileges committee and the way boris _ in the privileges committee and the way boris has been treated.- way boris has been treated. thanks all of ou way boris has been treated. thanks all of you for— way boris has been treated. thanks all of you for your _ way boris has been treated. thanks all of you for your contribution. - now, in the last hour the privileges committee has responsed to borisjohnson's claims against them. a spokesperson said the committee "followed the procedures and the mandate of the house at all times and will continue to do so". they added johnson has "impugned the integrity of the house by his statement".
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in a moment we have convened the newsnight political panel, but before that, a reminder on how the privileges committee inquiries came about and what happened when the former pm appeared there. i can understand how infuriating it must be to think that the people who have been setting the rules have not been following the rules, mr speaker. i'm truly sorry and this afternoon i am offering my resignation to the prime minister. because i was also furious to see that clip. millions of people now i think the prime minister was taking them for fools. are you saying you thought these gatherings were so critical to the functioning of government that it was permissible to hold them even if they couldn't be socially distanced? the short answer is yes. we avoided physical contact. we didn't, as the guidance says,
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we didn't touch each other's pens. presumably people were passing drinks to each other because we've seen the picture? of course. i had to rely on and i was fully entitled to rely on what i was told by my senior trusted advisers. you were there at the time so it's a bit hard to understand what the nature of an assurance is. i took my cue from them. when you've been there and seen it with your own eyes. i do not believe that you can conceivably find me guilty of wittingly misleading parliament on the basis of the evidence that you have assembled. i'm joined now by henry hill, deputy editor of conservative home and two borisjohnson biographers, sonia purnell and anthony seldon. thanks so much forjoining us. henry, what to say, where to start? what do you think borisjohnson's strategy is here? i what do you think boris johnson's strategy is here?— what do you think boris johnson's strategy is here? i don't know if he has one, strategy is here? i don't know if he has one. itoris _ strategy is here? i don't know if he has one, boris johnson _ strategy is here? i don't know if he has one, boris johnson seems - strategy is here? i don't know if he | has one, boris johnson seems to be has one, borisjohnson seems to be more like a free association
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performance, going from one thing to the next. clearlyjumping before he was pushed, he didn't want the theatre of the house of commons vote on the privileges committee, which he wouldn't have won. he didn't want to fight the by—election. polling from lord ashcroft suggested he might have won. he didn't feel like that so he's quitting on his own terms as much as he can given the zero political wiggle room he had. sonia, is he sending the bat signal to his supporters to hold the line and that he can come back his blue he was keeping the grievance thing going, that everything is so unfair, the witchhunt thing, the same phrase that donald trump has used today. there's also a money issue here. he is earning a lot of money, we know that, but that will be more difficult if he lost a vote on the floor of the house and henry has said he probably would have done. that's part of his calculation. but the grievance thing, he never wants to give it up. he's not going off
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into the sunset, he's going to be a thorn in sunak�*s side forever. anthony, you did that survey of his time in office. does it surprise you that this is the current end of his parliamentary career?— that this is the current end of his parliamentary career? not at all. it's all parliamentary career? not at all. it's all true _ parliamentary career? not at all. it's all true to _ parliamentary career? not at all. it's all true to type. _ parliamentary career? not at all. it's all true to type. he was - it's all true to type. he was always thinking _ it's all true to type. he was always thinking primarily— it's all true to type. he was always thinking primarily of _ it's all true to type. he was always thinking primarily of himself, - it's all true to type. he was always thinking primarily of himself, not i thinking primarily of himself, not the conservative _ thinking primarily of himself, not the conservative party— thinking primarily of himself, not the conservative party about - thinking primarily of himself, not i the conservative party about which he had _ the conservative party about which he had very— the conservative party about which he had very ambivalent _ the conservative party about which he had very ambivalent feelings. . he had very ambivalent feelings. and he's not _ he had very ambivalent feelings. and he's not looking _ he had very ambivalent feelings. and he's not looking at _ he had very ambivalent feelings. and he's not looking at history that - he's not looking at history that shows — he's not looking at history that shows that _ he's not looking at history that shows that long _ he's not looking at history that shows that long serving - he's not looking at history that shows that long serving tory. shows that long serving tory governments _ shows that long serving tory governments fall— shows that long serving tory governments fall apart - shows that long serving tory governments fall apart from | shows that long serving tory- governments fall apart from within. we go _ governments fall apart from within. we go track— governments fall apart from within. we go back to — governments fall apart from within. we go back to 1961—64, _ governments fall apart from within. we go back to 1961—64, the - governments fall apart from within.| we go back to 1961—64, the descent amongst _ we go back to 1961—64, the descent amongst the — we go back to 1961—64, the descent amongst the tory _ we go back to 1961—64, the descent amongst the tory mps _ we go back to 1961—64, the descent amongst the tory mps helped - we go back to 1961—64, the descent amongst the tory mps helped to - we go back to 1961—64, the descent amongst the tory mps helped to letj amongst the tory mps helped to let in harold _ amongst the tory mps helped to let in harold wilson. _ amongst the tory mps helped to let in harold wilson. the _ amongst the tory mps helped to let in harold wilson. the latter- amongst the tory mps helped to let in harold wilson. the latter days i in harold wilson. the latter days of john major. — in harold wilson. the latter days of john major, 1994—97— in harold wilson. the latter days of john major, 1994—97 again, - in harold wilson. the latter days of john major, 1994—97 again, a - in harold wilson. the latter days of john major, 1994—97 again, a lot. in harold wilson. the latter days of john major, 1994—97 again, a lot ofj john major, 1994—97 again, a lot of division _ john major, 1994—97 again, a lot of division over— john major, 1994—97 again, a lot of division over europe _ john major, 1994—97 again, a lot of division over europe and _ john major, 1994—97 again, a lot of division over europe and different. division over europe and different leaders. — division over europe and different leaders, personalities—
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division over europe and different leaders, personalities and - division over europe and different leaders, personalities and policy, j leaders, personalities and policy, divided _ leaders, personalities and policy, divided parties, _ leaders, personalities and policy, divided parties, we _ leaders, personalities and policy, divided parties, we know- leaders, personalities and policy, divided parties, we know from i divided parties, we know from history. — divided parties, we know from history. don't— divided parties, we know from history, don't win _ divided parties, we know from history, don't win a _ divided parties, we know from history, don't win a general i history, don't win a general elections _ history, don't win a general elections. this _ history, don't win a general elections. this cannot - history, don't win a general elections. this cannot be i history, don't win a general i elections. this cannot be good history, don't win a general - elections. this cannot be good news for anyone _ elections. this cannot be good news for anyone wanting the _ for anyone wanting the conservative party to _ for anyone wanting the conservative party to win — for anyone wanting the conservative party to win in— for anyone wanting the conservative party to win in the _ for anyone wanting the conservative party to win in the general- party to win in the general election in the _ party to win in the general election in the autumn— party to win in the general election in the autumn presumably- party to win in the general election in the autumn presumably of- party to win in the general election| in the autumn presumably of 2024. you must _ in the autumn presumably of 2024. you must credit _ in the autumn presumably of 2024. you must credit him _ in the autumn presumably of 2024. you must credit him with _ in the autumn presumably of 2024. i you must credit him with winning the 2019 majority, with delivering brexit, some elements, the vaccine roll—out? brexit, some elements, the vaccine roll-out? ., , , ~' roll-out? undoubtedly. ithink indeed winning _ roll-out? undoubtedly. ithink indeed winning general- roll-out? undoubtedly. ithink. indeed winning general elections. maybe _ indeed winning general elections. maybe he — indeed winning general elections. maybe he jumped _ indeed winning general elections. maybe he jumped because - indeed winning general elections. maybe he jumped because he - indeed winning general elections. . maybe he jumped because he didn't want to— maybe he jumped because he didn't want to lose — maybe he jumped because he didn't want to lose an _ maybe he jumped because he didn't want to lose an election. _ maybe he jumped because he didn't want to lose an election. he - maybe he jumped because he didn't want to lose an election. he hasn'tl want to lose an election. he hasn't lost an— want to lose an election. he hasn't lost an election _ want to lose an election. he hasn't lost an election since 1997. - lost an election since1997. it's very— lost an election since1997. it's very important _ lost an election since1997. it's very important to _ lost an election since1997. it's very important to his _ lost an election since1997. it's very important to his own - very important to his own self—image and his— very important to his own self—image and his brand — very important to his own self—image and his brand image _ very important to his own self—image and his brand image that _ very important to his own self—image and his brand image that he's - very important to his own self—image and his brand image that he's a - and his brand image that he's a winner. — and his brand image that he's a winner. a — and his brand image that he's a winner, a unique _ and his brand image that he's a winner, a unique winner, - and his brand image that he's a i winner, a unique winner, actually, in british— winner, a unique winner, actually, in british politics, _ winner, a unique winner, actually, in british politics, of— winner, a unique winner, actually, in british politics, of the _ winner, a unique winner, actually, in british politics, of the early- in british politics, of the early 21st-century~ _ in british politics, of the early 215t—century. that— in british politics, of the early 215t—century. that he - in british politics, of the early 215t—century. that he is- in british politics, of the early. 215t—century. that he is capable in british politics, of the early- 215t—century. that he is capable of winning _ 215t—century. that he is capable of winning all— 215t—century. that he is capable of winning all of these _ 215t—century. that he is capable of winning all of these elections. - 215t—century. that he is capable of winning all of these elections. but| winning all of these elections. but
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obviously— winning all of these elections. but obviously brexit— winning all of these elections. but obviously brexit has _ winning all of these elections. but obviously brexit has huge, - winning all of these elections. but obviously brexit has huge, huge . obviously brexit has huge, huge emotional— obviously brexit has huge, huge emotional pulling _ obviously brexit has huge, huge emotional pulling power- obviously brexit has huge, huge emotional pulling power with i obviously brexit has huge, huge i emotional pulling power with many conservatives — emotional pulling power with many conservatives and _ emotional pulling power with many conservatives and not _ conservatives and not just conservatives. _ conservatives and not just conservatives. his recordl conservatives and not just . conservatives. his record on conservatives and not just - conservatives. his record on covid, partly— conservatives. his record on covid, partly good. — conservatives. his record on covid, partly good. partly _ conservatives. his record on covid, partly good, partly less _ conservatives. his record on covid, partly good, partly less good. - conservatives. his record on covid, partly good, partly less good. andl partly good, partly less good. and standing _ partly good, partly less good. and standing up — partly good, partly less good. and standing up against _ partly good, partly less good. and standing up against russia - partly good, partly less good. and standing up against russia over. standing up against russia over ukraine — standing up against russia over ukraine again. _ standing up against russia over ukraine, again, an— standing up against russia over ukraine, again, an example - standing up against russia over ukraine, again, an example ofi standing up against russia over- ukraine, again, an example of strong leadership— ukraine, again, an example of strong leadership on — ukraine, again, an example of strong leadership on the _ ukraine, again, an example of strong leadership on the foreign _ leadership on the foreign stage. it's leadership on the foreign stage. it's more — leadership on the foreign stage. it's more a _ leadership on the foreign stage. it's more a question— leadership on the foreign stage. it's more a question of- leadership on the foreign stage. it's more a question of how- leadership on the foreign stage. i it's more a question of how much more _ it's more a question of how much more he — it's more a question of how much more he could _ it's more a question of how much more he could have _ it's more a question of how much more he could have achieved - it's more a question of how much more he could have achieved hadj it's more a question of how much i more he could have achieved had he been _ more he could have achieved had he been more _ more he could have achieved had he been more disciplined, _ more he could have achieved had he been more disciplined, and - more he could have achieved had he been more disciplined, and had - more he could have achieved had he been more disciplined, and had he i been more disciplined, and had he avoided _ been more disciplined, and had he avoided those _ been more disciplined, and had he avoided those series _ been more disciplined, and had he avoided those series of— been more disciplined, and had he avoided those series of scandals . avoided those series of scandals which _ avoided those series of scandals which eventually _ avoided those series of scandals which eventually brought - avoided those series of scandals which eventually brought down i avoided those series of scandals - which eventually brought down even his closest _ which eventually brought down even his closest supporters _ which eventually brought down even his closest supporters by _ which eventually brought down even his closest supporters by the - which eventually brought down even his closest supporters by the end. . his closest supporters by the end. people _ his closest supporters by the end. people could _ his closest supporters by the end. peopte could say— his closest supporters by the end. people could say that _ his closest supporters by the end. people could say that there - his closest supporters by the end. people could say that there was . his closest supporters by the end. people could say that there was a| people could say that there was a conspiracy— people could say that there was a conspiracy and _ people could say that there was a conspiracy and a _ people could say that there was a conspiracy and a plot. _ people could say that there was a conspiracy and a plot. actually i people could say that there was a conspiracy and a plot. actually in| conspiracy and a plot. actually in the end — conspiracy and a plot. actually in the end even his _ conspiracy and a plot. actually in the end even his closest - conspiracy and a plot. actually in l the end even his closest supporters abandoned — the end even his closest supporters abandoned him, _ the end even his closest supporters abandoned him, very— the end even his closest supporters abandoned him, very much - the end even his closest supporters abandoned him, very much like - the end even his closest supporters. abandoned him, very much like lloyd george _ abandoned him, very much like lloyd george it _ abandoned him, very much like lloyd george it maybe _ abandoned him, very much like lloyd george. it maybe that _ abandoned him, very much like lloyd george. it maybe that he'll— abandoned him, very much like lloyd george. it maybe that he'll be - abandoned him, very much like lloyd george. it maybe that he'll be like i george. it maybe that he'll be like lloyd _ george. it maybe that he'll be like lloyd george _ george. it maybe that he'll be like lloyd george, 1922 _ george. it maybe that he'll be like lloyd george, 1922 onwards, - lloyd george, 1922 onwards, searching _ lloyd george, 1922 onwards, searching around _ lloyd george, 1922 onwards, searching around and - lloyd george, 1922 onwards, searching around and 20 - lloyd george, 1922 onwards, . searching around and 20 years, lloyd george, 1922 onwards, - searching around and 20 years, he looked _ searching around and 20 years, he looked around. _ searching around and 20 years, he looked around.— searching around and 20 years, he looked around. there is a prospect from history- _ looked around. there is a prospect from history. history, _ looked around. there is a prospect from history. history, the - looked around. there is a prospectl from history. history, the reference in his

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