former president in us history to face federal charges. laws to face federal charges. that protect national defence laws that protect national defence information are critical for the safety and security of the united states and they must be enforced. i am and they must be enforced. i am and they must be enforced. i am an innocent _ and they must be enforced. i am an innocent man, _ and they must be enforced. i am an innocent man, i _ and they must be enforced. i am an innocent man, i did _ and they must be enforced. i am an innocent man, i did nothing wrong — an innocent man, i did nothing wrong and _ an innocent man, i did nothing wrong and i will fight this out 'ust wrong and i will fight this out just like _ wrong and i will fight this out just like we have been fighting for seven_ just like we have been fighting for seven years. it�*s just like we have been fighting for seven years.— for seven years. it's not 'ust a sad day i for seven years. it's not 'ust a sad day but it's * for seven years. it's not 'ust a sad day but it's a i for seven years. it's notjustj a sad day but it's a troubling day for millions of americans, and it invites a divisiveness in this country that can only be answered with facts. hello, i'm helena humphrey. great to have you with us. this hour we're taking a deep dive into the federal charges former us president donald trump is now facing. we'll look at what this indictment means for him, and how this could ultimately impact his run for president. as we mentioned, this is historic, it's the first—ever

federal charges against a us president. and it comes as trump is currently the front—runner to be the republican nominee for the 2024 presidential election. today's indictment is for 37 counts involving classified documents. it alleges he kept the files at his florida estate and lied to investigators. trump is also accused of obstructing the investigation into the handling of the documents. he has denied any wrong doing. one of trump's personal aides, walt nauter, is also facing charges, accused of moving files to hide them from the fbi. the a9—page indictment says the classified documents contained information about us nuclear programmes, defence and weapons capabilities of the us and foreign countries, potential vulnerabilities of the us and its allies, and plans for possible retailation in response to a foreign attack. our north america correspondent nomia iqbal has the latest from miami.

prosecutors wanted donald trump to face a jury here in florida where the alleged crimes took place. this is a republican leaning state, donald remember, trump won it twice in 2016 and 2020, and when i went around to speak to people at a country club, there was quite a mixed reaction, one man who said to me that there is no smoke without fire, that donald trump should be prosecuted, and anybody else will face the same, and he said he was sceptical about the whole investigation, a witch—hunt thatis investigation, a witch—hunt that is constantly claimed by donald trump and donald trump will appear in the courthouse behind me next tuesday amid tight security, he will enter the courtroom and he will hear a judge lay out the charges and he will enter a plea. we heard from the special counseljack smith who has said that he expects a trial to be held pretty quickly.

earlier, my colleague sumi somaskanda spoke to leigh ann caldwell, anchor for the washington post live. back to this current indictment. what stood out to you about these 37 counts? the first thing that _ you about these 37 counts? tue: first thing that stood you about these 37 counts? tte: first thing that stood out was the fact that there were actually 37 counts. that is a lot of counts. there was reporting last night that it would be seven counts and reporting before that talked about obstruction. the fact that there is 37 counts is pretty mind—boggling, and there is a line in this, in the indictment that really stood out to meet too, and i'm going to read it. it said that the government has reason to believe that he, that these documents could be used to the injury of the united states, and i really feel that that encapsulates the seriousness of the indictment of the government's prosecution, and how important this is. reading

through this, there is also some detail into what sort of documents the former president had as well, including another country's nuclear capabilities. also, other country, country 's military capabilities as well as the united states' military capabilities as well, so these are very serious documents, and it's very apparent now as to why jacqui it's very apparent now as to whyjacqui smith, the why jacqui smith, the department whyjacqui smith, the department ofjustice, the special prosecutor, really took these so seriously.— these so seriously. leanne, what about _ these so seriously. leanne, what about the _ these so seriously. leanne, what about the evidence? l these so seriously. leanne, l what about the evidence? we were speculating how strong the prosecutor's has might actually be. what about the photos provided as well in this indictment? what is it hell is about what the prosecution will look like? ., ., a about what the prosecution will look like? ., ., ~' , about what the prosecution will look like? ~ , ., look like? looks like they are auoin to look like? looks like they are going to show _ look like? looks like they are going to show that _ look like? looks like they are going to show that he - look like? looks like they are going to show that he was - look like? looks like they are |

going to show that he was not pairing for these documents, and i'm not an attorney byjust seeing those photos, they are pretty shocking, they were boxes in the bathroom, in a very public ballroom. there is also in this indictment how it lays out how these boxes were moved as well, especially after the former president's lawyers were in contact with him about the government wanting these documents back and that gets to the obstruction case, the obstruction charges as well, and so, it'sjust obstruction charges as well, and so, it's just pretty, this is something we have never seen before, the former president is trying to say that there is a similarity to what he did to what presidentjoe biden with his classified documents that he turned over immediately and it's very clear on this

indictment that there is absolutely no comparison whatsoever. we also know that the former president donald trump is furious, the way that he is going on truth social. just tojump in he is going on truth social. just to jump in there, what do you make of this flurry of activity we have seen around the former president's legal team, two of his attorneys announcing that they are stepping down, what you think that tells us?— that tells us? they did not cive a that tells us? they did not give a lot _ that tells us? they did not give a lot of _ that tells us? they did not give a lot of detail - that tells us? they did not give a lot of detail as - that tells us? they did not give a lot of detail as to i that tells us? they did not i give a lot of detail as to why they are stepping down but what is more telling to me is how hard it is for donald trump to find a new legal team to represent him. he is searching for lawyers in miami, and the southern district of florida where this case will be heard, and it is apparent that it is hard for him to find some of these high—profile, some of the best attorneys who are willing to come and work for him, and so, i'm not sure exactly why his current legal team did step down, i don't know it may be

the former president fired them, because there was reporting today that he is furious at his legal team, who he says implied that nothing was going to happen, these indictments were not going to come down, and so maybe he let them go but the fact that he is struggling to find a robust legal team to represent him now is quite telling. what does this all mean for trump legally? joining me now isjoe moreno and sarah krissoff, former us federal prosecutors, and mark zaid, an intellligence attorney who represents government and military officers among his clients. welcome to all of you, thank you for being with us. sarah, starting with you and coming to you, joe, after — you've been combing no doubt through the a9—page unsealed indictment. what stood out to you? i think the government really tried to put its best foot forward here, and they have not had the opportunity to date to

set forth in a compelling fashion the evidence they have in the case to. they did that here, and have a choice of whether to do a more barra bonds indictment or doing indictment that really walks the defendant, the former president and the public through the evidence here, and they chose to really prepare this robust indictment and so they can tell the world what they can tell the world what the evidence is that they intend to go forward on. joe, what stood — intend to go forward on. joe, what stood out _ intend to go forward on. joe, what stood out to _ intend to go forward on. joe, what stood out to you? - intend to go forward on. joe, what stood out to you? would you agree with that assessment there from sarah?— there from sarah? yeah i would auree. i there from sarah? yeah i would agree- i can _ there from sarah? yeah i would agree. i can see _ there from sarah? yeah i would agree. i can see almost - there from sarah? yeah i would agree. i can see almost the - agree. i can see almost the opening _ agree. i can see almost the opening statement at this trial, _ opening statement at this trial, which is quite some time trial, which is quite sometime away— trial, which is quite some time away still, _ trial, which is quite some time away still, if it happens. but i away still, if it happens. but i can— away still, if it happens. but i can see, _ away still, if it happens. but i can see, right now, i think what's _ i can see, right now, i think what'sjumping out at us is the classified — what'sjumping out at us is the classified national defence information type documents, and the secret, — information type documents, and the secret, top—secret and the fact that — the secret, top—secret and the fact that there were so

sloppily maintained at mara largo. _ sloppily maintained at mara largo, but what is really going to he — largo, but what is really going to he the — largo, but what is really going to be the driver of this case is more _ to be the driver of this case is more the obstruction in this narrative _ is more the obstruction in this narrative that unlike the case ofjoe — narrative that unlike the case ofjoe biden and mike pence, who— ofjoe biden and mike pence, who were cooperative, donald trump — who were cooperative, donald trump had a long time to set the record straight here. he had — the record straight here. he had months to return these documents to the national archives, then he was faced with— archives, then he was faced with a — archives, then he was faced with a subpoena, he still did not comply, and then it took the fbi — not comply, and then it took the fbi to get these documents back, _ the fbi to get these documents hack, and — the fbi to get these documents back, and i think that's what's going — back, and i think that's what's going to — back, and i think that's what's going to be the focus, to say took. — going to be the focus, to say look, no—one, not a former president— look, no—one, not a former president or anyone can be allowed _ president or anyone can be allowed to defy a grand jury and get _ allowed to defy a grand jury and get away with it, so why the classified nature of the documents, they might be what is grabbing the headlines now, ithink— is grabbing the headlines now, i think it's _ is grabbing the headlines now, i think it's going to be the obstruction, effectively perjury, that will be what really _ perjury, that will be what really drives this case. mark, listenin: really drives this case. mark, listening to _ really drives this case. mark, listening to that, _ really drives this case. mark, listening to that, joe - really drives this case. mark, listening to that, joe saying i listening to that, joe saying they're there for him, it was really the obstruction, the allegations of obstruction that

stood out for him. you as an attorney, what did you make of it? , attorney, what did you make of it? _, ., , it? so, my colleagues as well, i don't think— it? so, my colleagues as well, i don't think there _ it? so, my colleagues as well, i don't think there was - it? so, my colleagues as well, i don't think there was much l it? so, my colleagues as well, | i don't think there was much in the idon't think there was much in the way— idon't think there was much in the way that— i don't think there was much in the way that was _ i don't think there was much in the way that was inconsistent i the way that was inconsistent with— the way that was inconsistent with what _ the way that was inconsistent with what we _ the way that was inconsistent with what we expected. - the way that was inconsistentj with what we expected. much the way that was inconsistent i with what we expected. much of these _ with what we expected. much of these facts _ with what we expected. much of these facts have _ with what we expected. much of these facts have come _ with what we expected. much of these facts have come out- with what we expected. much of these facts have come out overl these facts have come out over these facts have come out over the course _ these facts have come out over the course of _ these facts have come out over the course of time, _ these facts have come out over the course of time, not - the course of time, not necessarily— the course of time, not necessarily in- the course of time, not necessarily in a - the course of time, not necessarily in a way- the course of time, notl necessarily in a way that the course of time, not - necessarily in a way that was acknowledged, _ necessarily in a way that was acknowledged, at _ necessarily in a way that was acknowledged, at least - necessarily in a way that was acknowledged, at least to i necessarily in a way that was l acknowledged, at least to the media, — acknowledged, at least to the media, but— acknowledged, at least to the media, but i_ acknowledged, at least to the media, but i would _ acknowledged, at least to the media, but i would say- acknowledged, at least to the media, but i would say that l acknowledged, at least to the l media, but i would say that one thing _ media, but i would say that one thing that— media, but i would say that one thing that surprised _ media, but i would say that one thing that surprised me - thing that surprised me factually— thing that surprised me factually was— thing that surprised me factually was how - thing that surprised me - factually was how personally involved _ factually was how personally involved the _ factually was how personally involved the allegations - factually was how personally involved the allegations are i involved the allegations are with— involved the allegations are with the _ involved the allegations are with the former— involved the allegations are with the former president, i with the former president, particularly _ with the former president, particularly with— with the former president, particularly with even - with the former president, i particularly with even packing up particularly with even packing up boxes _ particularly with even packing op boxes and _ particularly with even packing up boxes and going _ particularly with even packing up boxes and going through i particularly with even packing . up boxes and going through the boxes — up boxes and going through the boxes those _ up boxes and going through the boxes. those were _ up boxes and going through the boxes. those were always - up boxes and going through the i boxes. those were always things that would — boxes. those were always things that would make _ boxes. those were always things that would make a _ boxes. those were always things that would make a significant - that would make a significant difference _ that would make a significant difference in _ that would make a significant difference in any _ that would make a significant difference in any prosecution| difference in any prosecution but we — difference in any prosecution but we did _ difference in any prosecution but we did not _ difference in any prosecution but we did not have - difference in any prosecution but we did not have any- difference in any prosecution but we did not have any real| but we did not have any real reported _ but we did not have any real reported evidence _ but we did not have any real reported evidence of- but we did not have any real reported evidence of it, - but we did not have any real reported evidence of it, so. but we did not have any real. reported evidence of it, so i'm also _ reported evidence of it, so i'm also surprised _ reported evidence of it, so i'm also surprised the _ reported evidence of it, so i'm also surprised the prosecutor. also surprised the prosecutor thinks — also surprised the prosecutor thinks they— also surprised the prosecutor thinks they had _ also surprised the prosecutor thinks they had about - also surprised the prosecutor thinks they had about 21 - also surprised the prosecutorj thinks they had about 21 days to try— thinks they had about 21 days to try this— thinks they had about 21 days to try this case, _ thinks they had about 21 days to try this case, i'm - thinks they had about 21 days to try this case, i'm not - thinks they had about 21 days to try this case, i'm not quite sure — to try this case, i'm not quite sure it — to try this case, i'm not quite sure it would _ to try this case, i'm not quite sure it would take _ to try this case, i'm not quite sure it would take that - to try this case, i'm not quite sure it would take that long, i sure it would take that long, it would _ sure it would take that long, it would he _ sure it would take that long, it would be interesting. - sure it would take that long, it would be interesting. i- it would be interesting. i think—

it would be interesting. i think on— it would be interesting. i think on a _ it would be interesting. i think on a humourous i it would be interesting. i. think on a humourous note, after— think on a humourous note, after 30 _ think on a humourous note, after 30 years— think on a humourous note, after 30 years of— think on a humourous note, after 30 years of law - think on a humourous note, i after 30 years of law practice i after 30 years of law practice i don't — after 30 years of law practice idon't think— after 30 years of law practice i don't think i've _ after 30 years of law practice i don't think i've ever- after 30 years of law practice i don't think i've ever storedl i don't think i've ever stored documents _ i don't think i've ever stored documents in _ i don't think i've ever stored documents in a _ i don't think i've ever stored documents in a shower, - i don't think i've ever stored documents in a shower, but| documents in a shower, but apparently— documents in a shower, but apparently president- documents in a shower, but apparently president trumpj documents in a shower, but. apparently president trump do the. ., ,., ., .,, the. on that point, on those imaaes the. on that point, on those images we _ the. on that point, on those images we saw, _ the. on that point, on those images we saw, some - the. on that point, on those images we saw, some really extraordinary ones, we're talking about boxes and bathrooms, showers, ballrooms, and that was really laid out clearly in this indictment. sarah, what do you think this means that the case? this sarah, what do you think this means that the case?- means that the case? this is auoin to means that the case? this is going to be _ means that the case? this is going to be an _ means that the case? this is going to be an uphill- means that the case? this is going to be an uphill battle l going to be an uphill battle for trump and his legal team. what is set forth in the indictment is evidence that is hard to refute. trump's legal team can fight the accounts by witnesses and fight their testimony. it's hard to refute recordings and photographs and text messages. that kind of evidence is difficult to overcome, that's why, i'm sure, the department ofjustice included it here, and it

certainly captured our attention and i'm sure trump's legal team's attention as well. mark, what does it mean that these were notjust mark, what does it mean that these were not just stored mark, what does it mean that these were notjust stored in all sorts of different parts of his mar—a—lago estate but also classified, and in some cases highly classified documents? tt highly classified documents? it raises the prospect for a potential superseding indictment, meeting more charges _ indictment, meeting more charges to be filed if there is additional evidence that either comes— additional evidence that either comes to light for whatever reason _ comes to light for whatever reason was held back with who gained — reason was held back with who gained access, if anyone did these — gained access, if anyone did these records? those are not allegations at the moment other than two — allegations at the moment other than two instances where they said trump described or even possibly— said trump described or even possibly showed the documents. what _ possibly showed the documents. what we — possibly showed the documents. what we all know, because this has been — what we all know, because this has been publicly reported, there — has been publicly reported, there have been foreign intelligence officials who have been — intelligence officials who have been arrested for being on the premises _ been arrested for being on the premises down at mar—a—lago, many— premises down at mar—a—lago, many foreigners, no doubt it was — many foreigners, no doubt it was an— many foreigners, no doubt it was an intelligence bonanza for foreign — was an intelligence bonanza for

foreign agents to be in and around _ foreign agents to be in and around mar—a—lago operating as around mar—a—lago operating as a country— around mar—a—lago operating as a country club, and the reality is the — a country club, and the reality is the classified component of this will— is the classified component of this will be mostly held in the ore-trial— this will be mostly held in the pre—trial phase. these cases are pretty— pre—trial phase. these cases are pretty narrow when they get to trial, — are pretty narrow when they get to trial, there was not a lot of wiggle _ to trial, there was not a lot of wiggle room for a defendant to really— of wiggle room for a defendant to really challenge much other than _ to really challenge much other than did — to really challenge much other than did you do it or not? and as was— than did you do it or not? and as was mentioned, because there is photographic evidence, video evidence, — is photographic evidence, video evidence, they were documents seized _ evidence, they were documents seized by— evidence, they were documents seized by the fbi, returned after— seized by the fbi, returned after long periods of time directly to the government by the trump legal team, there is not going — the trump legal team, there is not going to be any argument that that _ not going to be any argument that that did not occur. and also interestingly, - that that did not occur. and also interestingly, joe, - that that did not occur. fich also interestingly, joe, in this indictment, we saw quotes from the former president himself, dating back to 2016 with specific regards to the classification of documents. i want to take a listen to some of his comments in the past on this, and then come back to you. in this, and then come back to ou. , ., , ., ., �*

you. in my administration, i'm auoin to you. in my administration, i'm going to enforce _ you. in my administration, i'm going to enforce all— you. in my administration, i'm going to enforce all laws - going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. no—one will be above the law. in classified information. no-one will be above the law.- will be above the law. in fact, those comments _ will be above the law. in fact, those comments were - will be above the law. in fact, | those comments were actually directly cited in that indictment. joe, why include them? do they carry any legal way to? them? do they carry any legal wa to? ~ ., ., ., way to? well i mean in addition to what you _ way to? well i mean in addition to what you played, _ way to? well i mean in addition to what you played, they - way to? well i mean in addition to what you played, they were l to what you played, they were also _ to what you played, they were also guotes _ to what you played, they were also quotes of— to what you played, they were also quotes of donald - to what you played, they were also quotes of donald trump i also quotes of donald trump knocking _ also quotes of donald trump knocking hillary _ also quotes of donald trump knocking hillary clinton, - also quotes of donald trump| knocking hillary clinton, also in the — knocking hillary clinton, also in the course _ knocking hillary clinton, also in the course of _ knocking hillary clinton, also in the course of the - knocking hillary clinton, also in the course of the 2016 - in the course of the 2016 campaign _ in the course of the 2016 campaign i_ in the course of the 2016 campaign. i thought - in the course of the 2016| campaign. i thought they in the course of the 2016 - campaign. i thought they were a little _ campaign. i thought they were a little extraneous, _ campaign. i thought they were a little extraneous, part— campaign. i thought they were a little extraneous, part of- campaign. i thought they were a little extraneous, part of this . little extraneous, part of this speaking _ little extraneous, part of this speaking indictment - little extraneous, part of this speaking indictment as - little extraneous, part of this speaking indictment as we i little extraneous, part of this. speaking indictment as we call it is to — speaking indictment as we call it is to tell— speaking indictment as we call it is to tell a _ speaking indictment as we call it is to tell a narrative, - speaking indictment as we call it is to tell a narrative, and - it is to tell a narrative, and it is to tell a narrative, and it makes— it is to tell a narrative, and it makes both _ it is to tell a narrative, and it makes both legal- it is to tell a narrative, and it makes both legal and . it makes both legal and political— it makes both legal and political points. - it makes both legal and political points. i- it makes both legal and i political points. i thought some _ political points. i thought some of— political points. i thought some of that _ political points. i thought some of that language i political points. i thought i some of that language was political points. i thought - some of that language was not really— some of that language was not really necessary— some of that language was not really necessary in _ some of that language was not really necessary in charging. really necessary in charging this— really necessary in charging this case, _ really necessary in charging this case, but— really necessary in charging this case, but what - really necessary in charging this case, but what they - really necessary in charging| this case, but what they are trying — this case, but what they are trying to— this case, but what they are trying to do— this case, but what they are trying to do is— this case, but what they are trying to do is show- this case, but what they are trying to do is show donaldl trying to do is show donald trump's _ trying to do is show donald trump's state _ trying to do is show donald trump's state of _ trying to do is show donald trump's state of mind - trying to do is show donald trump's state of mind andi trump's state of mind and undermine _ trump's state of mind and undermine any— trump's state of mind and undermine any argumentl trump's state of mind and - undermine any argument that this was— undermine any argument that this was a _ undermine any argument that this was a good _ undermine any argument that this was a good faith - undermine any argument that| this was a good faith mistake, or that — this was a good faith mistake, or that he _ this was a good faith mistake, or that he did _ this was a good faith mistake, or that he did not— this was a good faith mistake, or that he did not understandl or that he did not understand

his ability— or that he did not understand his ability to _ or that he did not understand his ability to handle - his ability to handle classified _ his ability to handle i classified information, his ability to handle - classified information, or his powers— classified information, or his powers to _ classified information, or his powers to declassify- powers to declassify information. - powers to declassify information. they. powers to declassify. information. they want powers to declassify- information. they want to powers to declassify— information. they want to show that he — information. they want to show that he done _ information. they want to show that he done well— information. they want to show that he done well new - information. they want to show that he done well new before i information. they want to show| that he done well new before he was president— that he done well new before he was president that _ that he done well new before he was president that there - that he done well new before he was president that there were . was president that there were certain— was president that there were certain rules _ was president that there were certain rules about _ was president that there were certain rules about how - was president that there were certain rules about how to - certain rules about how to handle _ certain rules about how to handle classified - certain rules about how to i handle classified information and therefore _ handle classified information and therefore they— handle classified information and therefore they are - handle classified information and therefore they are trying to undermine _ and therefore they are trying to undermine his— and therefore they are trying to undermine his ability- and therefore they are trying to undermine his ability at i to undermine his ability at trial— to undermine his ability at trial to _ to undermine his ability at trial to say— to undermine his ability at trial to say i _ to undermine his ability at trial to say i did _ to undermine his ability at trial to say i did not- trial to say i did not understand - trial to say i did not understand or- trial to say i did not understand or i - trial to say i did notj understand or i was trial to say i did not- understand or i was not intentional— understand or i was not intentional in— understand or i was not intentional in violating i understand or i was not - intentional in violating these laws — intentional in violating these laws, ., intentional in violating these laws. ., ., , ., laws. sarah your thoughts on our? i laws. sarah your thoughts on our? i agree _ laws. sarah your thoughts on our? i agree completely - laws. sarah your thoughts on our? i agree completely with| our? i agree completely with joe. our? i agree completely with joe- this _ our? i agree completely with joe- this is _ our? i agree completely with joe. this is an _ our? i agree completely with joe. this is an attempt - our? i agree completely with joe. this is an attempt by . our? i agree completely with| joe. this is an attempt by the doj to show intent, intent is often inferred, often shown by circumstantial evidence and so this is some of that circumstantial evidence, so they can show the former president's intent here and his knowledge of the underlying laws. mar—a—lago talking about proceedings, we know the hearing will take place in a federal court in miami with

judge eileen cannon, a trump appointee. joe, do you think this could impact proceedings? first off, as far as next tuesday, it will be a little anticlimactic. it will not be in public, it will be a very quick arraignment, they will read the charges and there will be a plea entered of not guilty and it will be it. not a lot will happen as far as dramatic nature on tuesday, and the indictment we have already, so we don't have to worry about it being unsealed next week. as far as thejudge, the being unsealed next week. as far as the judge, the fact she is a trump appointee and had some prior involvement in this case in the pre—trial phase, there will be some criticism about whether or not she should be the best person to try the case, ultimately it will probably be up to her whether to recuse herself and i don't know we have seen a good reason for that to happen, but i do think it will add to the narrative here and the drama of whether or not this is the best person to be serving as a trial judge. person to be serving as a trial we �* a ~ person to be serving as a trial 'udte, �* ~' ., person to be serving as a trial 'ude. �* ~ ., ., judge. and mark, we have also seen his two —

judge. and mark, we have also seen his two attorneys - judge. and mark, we have also seen his two attorneys this - seen his two attorneys this morning leave the case, you think that could mean anything to how this unfolds coming up to how this unfolds coming up to tuesday?— to tuesday? not for tuesday, 'ust as to tuesday? not for tuesday, just as joe — to tuesday? not for tuesday, just as joe described, - to tuesday? not for tuesday, just as joe described, it - to tuesday? not for tuesday, just as joe described, it won't be much _ just as joe described, it won't be much that takes place. judge cannon — be much that takes place. judge cannon may not even stay with the rest — cannon may not even stay with the rest of _ cannon may not even stay with the rest of the case. part of it depends if it stays in miami, _ it depends if it stays in miami, it goes up more towards... where mar—a—lago is, i towards... where mar—a—lago is, i am _ towards... where mar—a—lago is, i am blanking on the county, with— i am blanking on the county, with a — i am blanking on the county, with a satellite court. but he has had _ with a satellite court. but he has had difficulty retaining lawyers for a number of reasons _ lawyers for a number of reasons. and the reality is, at least — reasons. and the reality is, at least in — reasons. and the reality is, at least in the realm of where i practise, _ least in the realm of where i practise, i_ least in the realm of where i practise, i have watched many of their— practise, i have watched many of their public comments with a great _ of their public comments with a great deal of consideration and quite _ great deal of consideration and quite frankly i am not commenting on strategy, but they— commenting on strategy, but they have been very inaccurate in how — they have been very inaccurate in how they have described presidential authority about classification,

declassification, the espionage act, they— declassification, the espionage act, they have been very good at catering to the trump base from — at catering to the trump base from a — at catering to the trump base from a public relations standpoint, but they did not have — standpoint, but they did not have a — standpoint, but they did not have a lot of experience in handling _ have a lot of experience in handling these types of cases. there — handling these types of cases. there is— handling these types of cases. there is not that many lawyers frankly— there is not that many lawyers frankly who do, particularly from — frankly who do, particularly from the _ frankly who do, particularly from the defensive side, more on the — from the defensive side, more on the prosecution side. so it is not — on the prosecution side. so it is not surprising he is going to switch— is not surprising he is going to switch legal teams and he is going _ to switch legal teams and he is going to — to switch legal teams and he is going to need to get someone who really knows what they are doing. — who really knows what they are doing, both in a courtroom and by way— doing, both in a courtroom and by way of— doing, both in a courtroom and by way of the law. and ultimately _ by way of the law. and ultimately of - by way of the law. and ultimately of course i by way of the law. and i ultimately of course that by way of the law. and - ultimately of course that is, as you say, just the first step. sarah, the final word to you, we are seeing a tangle of legal proceedings for the former president in the middle of his campaign, how do you see this impact the election? listen, if i am trump, counsel, my intention here would be to drag this out as long as possible and then to focus the

public? attention elsewhere. he has got to navigate this case, the manhattan da's office case, which i think is frankly much less of a threat to him, but i think, you know, this is a risk, this case is a risk to him, there are significant penalties if convicted at trial, he's got to really be thinking hard about is he going tojust push through thinking hard about is he going to just push through this or take a moment and think about strategically how he will fight this. to strategically how he will fight this. ., ., , this. to our esteemed panel, thank you _ this. to our esteemed panel, thank you so _ this. to our esteemed panel, thank you so much _ this. to our esteemed panel, thank you so much to - this. to our esteemed panel, thank you so much to all - this. to our esteemed panel, thank you so much to all of i this. to our esteemed panel, i thank you so much to all of you for being with us this evening. for more, joining me live from london is frank luntz, republican pollster and communication strategist and one of the foremost experts on american voters and the republican electorate. great to have you with us. i'm sure that you have also been combing through this indictment

like all of us, the first time a former president has been indicted on federal charges. what position do you think this puts donald trump in politically?— puts donald trump in oliticall ? ~ ., , politically? we have been stud in: politically? we have been studying donald - politically? we have been studying donald trump i politically? we have been i studying donald trump since before he announced, and over the years i have been surprised, significantly surprised, significantly surprised that his own photos don't seem to care. whatever charge, whatever challenge, whatever accusation, they are prepared to brush it off. and the charges and accusations are getting bigger and bigger and more and more significant, and yet it doesn't matter. in fact when the poling is done over the next 48 hours i believe you will see absolutely no impact on donald trump's core support, no impact on whether or not they want him to be the republican nominee for president because in three words, they don't care. sorry frank, words, they don't care. sorry frank. what _ words, they don't care. sorry frank, what about _ words, they don't care. sorry frank, what about the - words, they don't care. sorry | frank, what about the general electorate?— electorate? that is so significant, _ electorate? that is so significant, because i electorate? that is so i

significant, because we electorate? that is so - significant, because we have never had anyone like this. he likes to say this is a witch—hunt and he has being condemned and criticised and how unfair this is. the amazing thing is he has never admitted a mistake. he has never acknowledged that he did anything wrong ever — and i say this, it is 1.20 1am here and still, this is so —— 1:21am here and this is so significant, it is having an impact on notjust what americans think of the electoral system and judicial system of what is happening in america, this is a global phenomenon, where the world is watching. i'm so glad this is being done by the bbc. make no mistake, the world is watching what is happening here and they are stunned at the former president's behaviour and at the behaviour of the electorate. this seems absolutely no impact. frank, do ou think absolutely no impact. frank, do you think this _ absolutely no impact. frank, do you think this then _ absolutely no impact. frank, do you think this then strengthens | you think this then strengthens any potential republican

candidate, ron desantis for example has long maintained he shares trump's policies but doesn't come with the same baggage and yet he is unwilling to challenge the former president, he is unwilling to... t president, he is unwilling to. . . , , president, he is unwilling to... , , ., to... i guess hold him accountable. - to... i guess hold him accountable. and - to... i guess hold him accountable. and that to... i guess hold him i accountable. and that is something that republican voters used to care about. accountability was one of the highest values in a republican. equality for democrats, accountability for republicans. and so the question now is does somebody like a chris christie come through, because he is prepared to challenge the former president directly. i don't know. what i do know is that our system is broken, our system does not advocate for or encourage the truth and they will be serious political and cultural damage as a result. t

cultural damage as a result. i want to talk about support from within the public and party, evan mccarthy yesterday calling this a dark day for the nation, mike pence speaking earlier, let's take a listen to what he had to say. let's take a listen to what he had to say-— let's take a listen to what he had to say. it's not 'ust a sad da , had to say. it's not 'ust a sad day, t-s * had to say. it's not 'ust a sad day. its a h had to say. it's notjust a sad day, it's a troubling - had to say. it's notjust a sad day, it's a troubling day - had to say. it's notjust a sad day, it's a troubling day for. day, it's a troubling day for millions— day, it's a troubling day for millions of americans. and invite — millions of americans. and invite a _ millions of americans. and invite a divisiveness in this country— invite a divisiveness in this country that can only be answered with facts. i believe the leaders of this country and our party— the leaders of this country and our party and those of us who aspire — our party and those of us who aspire to— our party and those of us who aspire to lead would do well to remember first principles. first. _ remember first principles. first. let— remember first principles. first, let me be clear. no—one is above — first, let me be clear. no—one is above the law. first, let me be clear. no-one is above the law.— is above the law. you hurt there, no-one _ is above the law. you hurt there, no-one is - is above the law. you hurt there, no-one is above i is above the law. you hurt| there, no-one is above the is above the law. you hurt - there, no-one is above the law, there, no—one is above the law, what do you make of that, could there be cracks at some point, could the tide start to turn? every time we have said this over the last seven years, every single time, it has not happened. so many people, including myself, have declared donald trump politically dead and we have been proven otherwise by his own supporters. and make no mistake, those supporters don't

care. no matter what you show them, the matter what you tell them, the matter what you tell them, no matter what the evidence all the facts or the truth is, there is still 40% of republicans who believe the election in 2020 was won by donald trump, still. there is 30% of the republicans and perhaps as high as 40% that absolutely positively want him back, i want to emphasise to viewers, when the truth doesn't matter, when the facts don't matter, when the facts don't matter, when the facts don't matter, when they will trust what they hear from one individual... what they hear from one individual. . ._ what they hear from one individual. . .- it i what they hear from one | individual. . .- it is what they hear from one i individual. . .- it is a individual... frank... it is a danger— individual... frank... it is a danger to _ individual... frank... it is a danger to the _ individual... frank... it is a danger to the core - individual... frank... it is a i danger to the core democratic principles, oras danger to the core democratic principles, or as mike pence says, first principles. t do says, first principles. i do have to — says, first principles. i do have to ask, _ says, first principles. i do have to ask, do _ says, first principles. i do have to ask, do you - says, first principles. i do have to ask, do you think| have to ask, do you think ultimately this hurts or helps trump win back the white house? it helps him get the republican nomination, because not only does he say he is a victim, he is now saying he is being persecuted, and so republicans will rally around him. the

problem is, the biden administration has no credit ability among these people because they feel it is all political, it is all part is in, ratherthan political, it is all part is in, rather than being judicial and focus on the facts. —— artisan. frank, thank you for coming on the programme, good to talk to you. i'm helena humphrey in washington dc — thanks for your company. for all the latest any time, head to our website, bbc.com/news. stay with us here on bbc news. hello. it's going to be be a hot

weekend for some of us, as temperatures are expected to reach 30 celsius in some towns and cities, and we almost reached 30 degrees in northern parts of wales on friday. but it's not unusual to get these sort of temperatures injune — in fact, if you look at the past years, we've regularly approached the low to even mid 30s. so where is this hot weather coming from? as you might expect, from the southern climes. notjust quite hot air, but also humid air — and we'll notice the humidity rising as we go through the course of the weekend, some really balmy nights on the way. so the forecast for the early morning on saturday — some cloudier skies in the northeast, a few showers in the southwest, but elsewhere, a lot of clear, sunny weather to start the day. temperatures around 15 degrees in plymouth. so, the forecast, then, for the morning shows lots of sunshine, perhaps those few showers lingering there in the southwest. but through the morning into the afternoon, shower clouds will start building across parts of wales and central england — here's a close—up of the midlands, here's birmingham —

we could see some nasty downpours in places with hail and thunder and gusty winds, but in between, large gaps of sunny weather. so it'll be very difficult to forecast exactly where these showers will occur, but we're sure of the area — and this is the area here. but elsewhere, a lot of sunshine on the way, and those temperatures rocketing to about 30 celsius, i think, in the hottest spots, but around coastal areas, we're talking more like the low 20s. and that really balmy night's to come on saturday night — in fact, at 10pm, temperatures in some towns and cities will still be hovering around 20 celsius. here's the forecast for sunday — again, a lot of sunshine around, very warm, very humid, but i think a greater chance of catching some showers and thunderstorms across many western parts of the uk. and remember, hail, thunder, and gusty winds, and then, it's back to sunshine again, so a bit of a mixed bag in some areas. the temperatures should reach the high 20s, but again, in some coastal areas,

we're talking about the low 20s, so really quite fresh. and the outlook for the week ahead shows the warm weather continuing, but a bit of a mixed bag at times with a few showers continuing into monday. wherever you are, have a good weekend.