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borisjohnson's request. borisjohnson asked me to do something that i wasn't prepared to do, because i didn't think it was right. as ukraine continues its counter— offensive, the country says another village has fallen. soldiers can be seen hoisting the ukrainian flag at storozheve, west of donetsk. former italian prime minister silvio berlusconi dies at 86. he'll be given a state funeral in milan on wednesday. borisjohnson has accused rishi sunak of "talking rubbish", after the prime minister claimed his former boss had asked him to intervene in the process of appointing people to the house of lords. half the people mrjohnson put forward in his resignation honours
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list were excluded by the house of lords appointments commission. mr sunak said the former prime minister had asked him to "override" the recommendation, which he didn't think was the right thing to do. let's go to westminster and our political correspondent ione wells. this seems to be a whole new level of their_ this seems to be a whole new level of their bitter — this seems to be a whole new level of their bitter dispute. _ this seems to be a whole new level of their bitter dispute. this - this seems to be a whole new level of their bitter dispute.— of their bitter dispute. this has descended _ of their bitter dispute. this has descended into _ of their bitter dispute. this has descended into a _ of their bitter dispute. this has descended into a very - of their bitter dispute. this has descended into a very public i descended into a very public slanging match between rishi sunak and former prime minister, boris johnson. we do know that the house of lords appointments commission rejected eight of the names which borisjohnson had put forward to be positions in the house of lords. that is something which they have confirmed in a statement. there is a big dispute, though, about what happened behind the scenes. downing street have insisted that number ten did not alter the list that boris johnson put forward, even if there
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were conversations that go on behind—the—scenes to ensure that, in their words, behind—the—scenes to ensure that, in theirwords, proper behind—the—scenes to ensure that, in their words, proper processes followed. rishi sunak, speaking earlier today, followed. rishi sunak, speaking earliertoday, insisted followed. rishi sunak, speaking earlier today, insisted that he believed boris johnson earlier today, insisted that he believed borisjohnson was trying to make him do something which he wasn't prepared to do fast white when it comes to honours and boris johnson, _ when it comes to honours and boris johnson, borisjohnson asked me to do something that i wasn't prepared to de _ do something that i wasn't prepared to de i_ do something that i wasn't prepared to do. i didn't think it was right. to do. ididn't think it was right. that— to do. i didn't think it was right. that was— to do. i didn't think it was right. that was to _ to do. i didn't think it was right. that was to either overrule the committee to make promises for people — committee to make promises for people i— committee to make promises for people. i wasn't prepared to do that _ people. i wasn't prepared to do that i— people. i wasn't prepared to do that. i didn't think it was right. if people — that. i didn't think it was right. if people don't like that then, tough — if people don't like that then, tough. when i got thisjob... applause. when i got thisjob, i said i would do things— when i got thisjob, i said i would do things differently, because i wanted — do things differently, because i wanted to change politics. that is what _ wanted to change politics. that is what i _ wanted to change politics. that is what i am — wanted to change politics. that is what i am doing.— wanted to change politics. that is what i am doing. rishi sunak there,
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sa in: that what i am doing. rishi sunak there, saying that boris _ what i am doing. rishi sunak there, saying that boris johnson _ what i am doing. rishi sunak there, saying that boris johnson was - what i am doing. rishi sunak there, j saying that boris johnson was trying saying that borisjohnson was trying to make him either override the commission's recommendations, or promise people peerages in the future, and that wasn't something he was prepared to do. that has led borisjohnson to hit back very strongly at rishi sunak, saying bluntly that he was talking rubbish. in borisjohnson's words, what he believes happens is that for it to believes happens is that for it to be honoured it was not necessary to overrule the commission, but instead ask them to renew their vetting, something which borisjohnson has described as a formality. another twist in all of this is that resignation honours list of his came out on friday, just before he resigned as an mp over that report by the privileges committee into whether he misled parliament over what he knew about the partygate scandal during covid. that report that the privileges committee had been working on is now expected to been working on is now expected to
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be published on wednesday, which could well lead to more fallout between boris johnson could well lead to more fallout between borisjohnson and the current government, and the committee investigating him. mil current government, and the committee investigating him. all the while, as committee investigating him. all the while. as we — committee investigating him. all the while, as we look _ committee investigating him. all the while, as we look ahead _ committee investigating him. all the while, as we look ahead to _ committee investigating him. all the while, as we look ahead to the - committee investigating him. all the while, as we look ahead to the nextl while, as we look ahead to the next year, which could be a general election, we know that rishi sunak is trying to get back to things like policy. he was talking this morning at a technology event, talking about al. once again we are all in a ai. once again we are all in a position where we are talking about conservative party infighting, and the public will say, hang on, just get on with running the country. it is a huge distraction for the government, not a welcome one, particularly for those who are critics of borisjohnson. equally it doesn't seem like borisjohnson is going to go away anytime soon. not only does he suggest that by the way he is fighting back in this particular case around the list of his peerages, but also in other circumstances, too. we know, for example as i mentioned, that report into whether or not he misled mps is
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due on wednesday. that is likely to call was for the headlines and fallout. we know that he is currently engaged in a bit of a dispute with the government about the covid inquiry. he believes that the covid inquiry. he believes that the inquiry should be handed unredacted versions of his whatsapp messages, notebooks, diaries from the period, which is something the government has argued it doesn't necessarily want to do. there are fires burning everywhere, really, when it comes to ways in which boris johnson is, at the moment, hogging a lot of the headlines. as you say, the government at the moment is concerned about wanting to get back to talking about policy, wanting to move on from that particular era. one other area where this is going to be difficult for the government is related to borisjohnson, of the three by—elections which have now been triggered, not only by boris johnson stepping down as an mp, but also two of his close allies, nigel adams and nadeem doris. ithink also two of his close allies, nigel adams and nadeem doris. i think we can guarantee that in all those
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three by—elections, borisjohnson, love him or hate him, is going to play a big role in the outcome of those. we are already seeing opposition parties playing heavily on his legacy in their campaigns. thank you for explaining that, ione wells in westminster. lets talk more withjill wells in westminster. lets talk more with jill rutter, wells in westminster. lets talk more withjill rutter, a former civil servant. she is now a seniorfellow at uk in a changing europe. this is more than a war of words. this is rishi sunak taking on borisjohnson and his allies in the conservative party. and his allies in the conservative pa . ., .., and his allies in the conservative pa . ., , ,, party. you could say rishi sunak started doing — party. you could say rishi sunak started doing that _ party. you could say rishi sunak started doing that when - party. you could say rishi sunak started doing that when he - party. you could say rishi sunak- started doing that when he resigned from boris johnson's started doing that when he resigned from borisjohnson's cabinet last from boris johnson's cabinet last july, from borisjohnson's cabinet last july, and actually triggered that big cascade of resignations which ultimately brought borisjohnson down. that is not perhaps a source of the bad blood between them but certainly it appears that boris johnson holds rishi sunak comfortable for the fact that he is no longer in downing street and he
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is —— culpable. white but where does this dispute get borisjohnson? it is not clear whether this is deeply strategic or whether it is a rage against not being allowed to get his own way with his honours list. the interesting thing that is playing out now is that in this game, he said, do conservative mps and conservative members, who we know are by and large still quite pro—borisjohnson, are they swayed pro—boris johnson, are they swayed to the former pro—borisjohnson, are they swayed to the former prime minister's side ordered a side of the current prime minister? it is or is very difficult in these meetings, when you have two people's version of events which don't tally, and none of the rest of us were there, i am not sure whether there were some diligent private secretary taking notes that we could all read, but we would properly be only allowed to see them in 25 years' time, anyway.— only allowed to see them in 25 years' time, anyway. that is the oint, years' time, anyway. that is the point. isn't _ years' time, anyway. that is the point. isn't it. — years' time, anyway. that is the point, isn't it, some _ years' time, anyway. that is the point, isn't it, some of- years' time, anyway. that is the
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point, isn't it, some of this - point, isn't it, some of this playing out very publicly, some of it in private. rishi sunak has tried to reunite the party. he has tried to reunite the party. he has tried to bring both sides together and say that this is a new era for conservative government, ahead of those by—elections and a possible general election next year. this is the last thing he needs right now. i think it very much as the last thing he needs, but he may hope that this is a time when there is a lot of sunshine, a lot of other things potentially going on. there are some great cricket to come, wimbledon, stuff like that. he might hope that he, if you like, can concentrate this all around the summer recess and hope to come back in september but these issues resolved in the conservative party may be smaller, but it is one that is united behind him, and he can then use that basis to do a reset and try to make progress on the priorities he set
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out earlier in the year and give himself a bit of a chance of denting that labour lead. we see in the polls by the time of an election which is very likely in 2024 at the very latest, it could go a couple of weeks into 2025, that would mean campaigning over christmas. i think he would be hoping that he can get through this rather gruesome periods of extreme warfare and he can come out, perhaps with his position ultimately strengthened. that would be the best case scenario for rishi sunak, given where things are now. some would say there are parallels with the 19905 and a lot of that division that we saw in the latter years of the major government. do you see it like that? i years of the major government. do you see it like that?— you see it like that? i was around there, i you see it like that? i was around there. i was _ you see it like that? i was around there, i was in _ you see it like that? i was around there, i was in number— you see it like that? i was around there, i was in number ten - you see it like that? i was around there, i was in number ten for. you see it like that? i was around there, i was in number ten for a | there, i was in number ten for a bit, i was in treasury, and there were di5pute5 bit, i was in treasury, and there were disputes over policy, but when
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john major expelled people he termed, in inverted commas, the people that he termed the bu5tard5, it was quite difficult to manage. he did manager relatively unified cabinet. he did have a relatively unified cabinet, he did manage to make some quite big policy decisions, but even so, that could not stave off the massive defeat in 1997 to tony blair. it is not a hugely welcome parallel for rishi sunak. we will see, i don't think there is anything, although there was undoubtedly a lot of tension, a lot of people in the conservative party who felt that the fall of margaret thatcher was much to be regretted, maybe even blamed john major a bit and certainly couldn't
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forgive him for what they thought was going 5oft forgive him for what they thought was going soft on her legacy. i don't think there was anything like the personal degree of rancour that we now see between rishi sunak and borisjohnson. margaret we now see between rishi sunak and boris johnson. margaret thatcher was no doubt a destabilising influence on her role which has she turned a back seat driver, that was more trying to influence policy and degenerating into this highly personalised spat that we see playing out in front of this today. it feels like it has got some way to play out still. jill, really good to have you with us. jill rutter, former civil servant, thank you. i want to show these pictures of trump force one on his way to miami.
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he will make his way down to miami. we are looking at the pictures of the airport. this is pictures of him making his way from bedmin5ter, that is newark airport. he is heading i5 newark airport. he is heading down to miami, of course, to face tho5e serious allegations. he has been charged with mishandling hundreds of classified documents, including related to us nuclear secrets and military plans. there are 37 counts on this indictment. they in queues of keeping files at his florida estate, mar—a—lago. some of them were stored in a shower. there are also allegations that donald trump tried to obstruct the investigation into the handling of the documents. he denies tho5e allegations, of course, but he is now required to make his way to miami for his first court appearance. that is due to get under
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way tomorrow. incidentally, that is the eve of his 77th birthday. mr trump i5 the eve of his 77th birthday. mr trump is the frontrunner, at the moment, for the republican nomination for the house in the presidential election in 2024. he is running for president once again. interestingly, when we talk about these things, many of the allegations would be enough to make someone perhaps pull out of the presidential race, but mr trump says he has done nothing wrong. he sent out an e—mail he has done nothing wrong. he sent outan e—mailto he has done nothing wrong. he sent out an e—mail to his supporters asking forfurtherfunds out an e—mail to his supporters asking for further funds as a result of these allegations. he says he needs money to fight back against what he calls a witchhunt. those of the two images we are keeping a close eye on for you. the image on the left is mr trump making his way from bedmin5ter and newjersey. he will make his way across the state to newark airport and from there, he will fly on trump force one, on the back of your picture on the right, and make his way down to miami, for what will be his first court
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appearance. this is the first time we will have seen him related to those charges of mishandling hundreds of classified documents, including about us nuclear secrets and military plans. there are 37 counts in that indictment. he will face the courtroom for the first time. we will keep a close eye on what we see there but those two images are mr trump making his way to the airport and the airport there at newark. it could turn out to be a fascinating hearing. we will keep a close eye on events there. we will keep a close eye on events there. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. some other main stories for you this hour. security workers at heathrow airport have called off strike
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news. let's return to one of our other main stories today. figures from across italy's political spectrum have been paying tribute to silvio berlusconi, who has died at the age of 86. wednesday has been declared a day of national mourning. the prime minister, giorgia meloni, said his courage had made him one of the most influential men in italy's history. the former centre—left prime minister, matteo renzi, said everyone had to recognise mr berlusconi's impact on italy's public life, whether they liked him or not. silvio berlusconi served as prime minister three times between 1994 and 2011, making him the longest—serving italian prime minister since the second world war. he was known at home and abroad as much for his colourful private life as for his political dealings and business acumen. earlier i spoke to our europe correspondent, bethany bell, who explained how he would be remembered. share explained how he would be remembered.— explained how he would be remembered. �* , , , , remembered. are deeply, deeply olarisinu remembered. are deeply, deeply polarising figure. _ remembered. are deeply, deeply
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polarising figure. you _ remembered. are deeply, deeply polarising figure. you mentioned | polarising figure. you mentioned matteo renzi's quotation. but you couldn't deny the impact. he was a champion of the free market. for this he was symbol of corruption and moral decay with his countless string of trials. he was charged with all sorts of things, from tax fraud to bribery. there were sex scandals, and only one case stuck. in 2013 he was convicted of corruption. he was given a four—year jail sentence. corruption. he was given a four—year jailsentence. he corruption. he was given a four—year jail sentence. he didn't go to jail, he served its in a community care centre because of his age. an extremely divisive figure, and one who was loved by his fans for his gaffes and his bad jokes. this is
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exactly what his opponents hated him for. a figure that many people see as a forerunner of people like donald trump.— as a forerunner of people like donald trump. as a forerunner of people like donald trum. . �* . , �* donald trump. that was bethany bell with the latest _ donald trump. that was bethany bell with the latest from _ donald trump. that was bethany bell with the latest from rome. _ donald trump. that was bethany bell with the latest from rome. a - donald trump. that was bethany bell with the latest from rome. a little i with the latest from rome. a little earlier i spoke to a writer, author of the political economy of italy's decline. he explained the legacy. in 2011 the economist magazine published a cover with him, saying, i quote, the man who screwed an entire country. i think that remains right. he didn't do it alone, he benefited from the witness of his opponent and found a permissible environment in the public sphere and the mainstream media. he was very damaging for my country. he restored a broken economic system and did nothing to improve the political system that was based on collusion. he was a disaster for my country.
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and yet he had many, many supporters. he was a successful businessman turned politician. the parallels with donald trump do not stop there, do they? he was mired in scandal, as you have touched on, professional scandal. scandal, as you have touched on, professionalscandal. i scandal, as you have touched on, professional scandal. i am just looking at the rap sheet here. charges of bribery, tax fraud, sex with an underage prostitute. he was convicted on several occasions but managed to avoid jail time. what was it about him that still inspire the confidence of those who supported him and loved him? in confidence of those who supported him and loved him?— him and loved him? in part, very skilful propaganda. _ him and loved him? in part, very skilful propaganda. it _ him and loved him? in part, very skilful propaganda. it was - him and loved him? in part, very skilful propaganda. it was a - skilful propaganda. it was a television man and used it well. to support that system that is both and fair and inefficient, support that system that is both and fairand inefficient, he support that system that is both and fair and inefficient, he managed to distribute, if you like, compensations, to small entrepreneurs, to pensioners, two other categories. he kind of indirectly bought their consent. their consensus. that only
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entrenched a very bad system. you sa it was entrenched a very bad system. you say it was a — entrenched a very bad system. you say it was a permissive society that allowed mr berlusconi to perhaps do what he did, or secure that support that he had. who is to blame? italy's history, in part. it is a natural phenomenon. by being in powerfor so long, he natural phenomenon. by being in power for so long, he dominated politics for 20 years, he represented that system, and he also changed to social norms, change the way italians see things, in the direction of supporting what he represented. that is another element of his damaging legacy. what represented. that is another element of his damaging legacy.— of his damaging legacy. what was also interesting, _ of his damaging legacy. what was also interesting, we _ of his damaging legacy. what was also interesting, we know- also interesting, we know politicians often have to reinvent themselves for changing times. he first came to office in 1994. he led
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for governments until 2011, and yet he was the same person time and time again. he didn't change what he stood for or how he would present himself? ., , , ., himself? no, very little. he began on a very liberal _ himself? no, very little. he began on a very liberal sounding - himself? no, very little. he began i on a very liberal sounding message, which is policy contradicted, but he went on with that. at first he reignited polarisation, by making a very anti—communist campaign after communism had disappeared from the face of the earth. and then used other divisive messages to divide italy between us and them. that was what supported him. he didn't change, as you say, and i see a lot of continuity between his policies and his style in government and the current government,. fine and his style in government and the current government, ._ and his style in government and the current government,. one view there from northern — current government,. one view there from northern italy _ current government,. one view there from northern italy on _ current government,. one view there from northern italy on the _ current government,. one view there from northern italy on the legacy - current government,. one view there from northern italy on the legacy of. from northern italy on the legacy of silvio berlusconi, who, it was
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announced, has died today. we showed you some images a little earlier. let's return now to the view of donald trump making his way towards newark airport. he is doing that because he is going to take a flight to miami to face a court appearance tomorrow. this is related to the charges of mishandling hundreds of classified documents, as we said, some of them about nuclear secrets, literary plans. there have been some astonishing evidence of those documents stored at his mar—a—lago estate in florida, some of them stored in a ballroom, some in a shower, boxes of these documents. he denies any wrongdoing. the reason this is even more interesting and potentially explosive politically, is because he is running for president once again in 2024. let's bring in my colleague, jess parker. jessisin bring in my colleague, jess parker. jess is in washington for us. we will stay with these pictures what
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we have a discussion. mr trump will make his way down to miami. it is his first court appearance and it could be pretty explosive. i think, as ou could be pretty explosive. i think, as you can — could be pretty explosive. i think, as you can see. — could be pretty explosive. i think, as you can see, because - could be pretty explosive. i think, as you can see, because us - could be pretty explosive. i think, . as you can see, because us networks as you can see, because us networks as well, carrying these pictures of the former president travelling. he is en route from bedmin5ter in new jersey down to miami. there is huge media interest in this. they hear is the first former president to face federal criminal charges, which he of course strongly denies. we know there is a lot of discussion about security arrangements in miami. some suggestions that she could see people turning up, as they did in new york when he faced state—level criminal charge in a separate case. again, he denied wrongdoing. protesters didn't show up say next. we expect updates about the security arrangements and it is a huge moment
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in the united states. the first former president to face federal charges and he has been out this weekend. i was in north carolina where he had shared the mic appeared at a convention there. he is saying that this is part of a wider witchhunt against him. it is important to make the point that, yes, this man is facing a judicial process, but he is also of course, aiming to try to be the republican nominee and return to the white house. this legal battle, and the other legal battles that he is facing, are becoming pretty intertwined with his wider political campaign. bud intertwined with his wider political cam aiun. �* ., intertwined with his wider political camaiun. �* ., ., ,, ., campaign. and never one to miss an opportunity — campaign. and never one to miss an opportunity to _ campaign. and never one to miss an opportunity to determine _ campaign. and never one to miss an opportunity to determine this - campaign. and never one to miss an opportunity to determine this too i campaign. and never one to miss an opportunity to determine this too is | opportunity to determine this too is political advantage. opportunity to determine this too is politicaladvantage. he opportunity to determine this too is political advantage. he says this is a witchhunt against him and that he needs further funds from his supporters to fight it. this is just one potential explosive case brought against him. there are others. yes. against him. there are others. yes, he was indicted _ against him. there are others. yes, he was indicted earlier— against him. there are others. yes he was indicted earlier this year on a separate case. that related to accusations of falsifying business records related to a hush money
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payment to a former pawn star. again he denied wrongdoing. there are other legal battles that donald trump faces, or potentially faces, as well. it is raising huge questions. what happens when a man who is facing quite serious charges in some cases, is also running for the presidency? what constitutional or political question is does that throw up? important to say, we don't know where all these processes will go. we don't have, for example, a potential trial date for this particular set of charges. 2024, of course, november next year is the election. a lot of people wondering how these legal battles will clash with that race.— how these legal battles will clash with that race. jess, for now, thank ou. with that race. jess, for now, thank you- you're — with that race. jess, for now, thank you. you're watching _ with that race. jess, for now, thank you. you're watching bbc— with that race. jess, for now, thank you. you're watching bbc news. i you're watching bbc news. hello there. for many parts of the uk it's going to be a dry day with a good deal of sunshine around. the sunniest weather likely to be here in the north—east of england. over the past couple of days we have seen
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temperatures reaching 32 degrees, 90 fahrenheit. may not be quite as hot as that today, a little cooler in the south—east, and the highest temperature, around 30 degrees, likely to be in cumbria. but with that heat and humidity, we have the potential for torrential, thundery downpours. hail and lightning, some flooding expected as well, in places. there could be about inch of rain falling in the space of an hour. a few showers towards the east perhaps, but the main focus of the downpours pushing through the midlands, wales, maybe affecting parts of western northern ireland and up towards western scotland. those heavy showers that do develop will tend to decay overnight so it does tend to become dry in most areas. a few showers arriving towards the south—west for a while but skies will clear. these are the minimum temperatures at the end of the night and it's a warm night, an uncomfortable night for sleeping once again, with that heat and humidity. tomorrow, on the whole, it's a dry and sunny start.
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the risk of a thundery shower across england and wales much reduced. the main focus of the downpours is on the western side of northern ireland and across some western areas of scotland. it could bring travel disruption. temperature—wise, very similar to what we see today, looking at highs of 27 or 28 degrees. through the rest of the week, it looks like things will be much quieter. we are losing those noisy thunderstorms, a lot of dry weather, a lot of sunshine, and it should be more comfortable at night for sleeping. a little cooler at night — not as humid. the high pressure we have had is pushing all the heavy showers away but instead of that humid south easterly breeze, it's a slightly cooler, fresher easterly breeze coming our way. it is a light breeze, mind you. lots of sunshine around. some early mist and fog along the east coast of scotland on wednesday. maybe a bit foggy through parts of the english channel affecting the channel islands, but otherwise, a dry and sunny day on wednesday. again, high temperatures looking
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