tv Newsnight BBC News June 13, 2023 10:30pm-11:10pm BST
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of sunshine, warm into the lots of sunshine, warm into the afternoon, mid to high 20s, always cooler along the coasts. we will do it again on thursday, mist fogg throughout the day. could see more mist and fog developing in the afternoon but lots of places will avoid them and stay dry. those temperatures between mid to high 20s, lots of sunshine, may be 1 degrees cooler than what we have had over the last few days. we will start to see some showers pushing into southern and western parts of the country later on friday. all tied in with this area of low pressure which will continue to bring showers of long spells of rain for southern and western areas over the weekend. uncertainty as to how far west these, east, sorry, how far these will get but it looks like london will stay dry over the weekend with most of the showers and long spells of rain in the north and the west. that's it from me. thanks, stav.
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and that's bbc news at ten — there's more analysis of the day's main stories on newsnight with kirtsy wark which is just getting underway on bbc two — the news continues here on bbc one as now it's time to join our colleagues across the nations and regions for the news where you are — but from the ten team it's goodnight.
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donald trump was in a miami court tonight facing criminal charges for allegedly stashing classified us government documents in mar—a—lago. but will his presidential ambitions be hindered or helped? a motorcade, media circus and crowds of protesters as donald trump pleads not guilty to 37 criminal charges in a federal court.
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could today be the moment some in the republican party abandon the former presidenter? we'll be joined by his former lawyer and the us pollster frank luntz. also tonight. we'll have the latest news from nottingham where two students and a middle aged man were murdered in the early hours of this morning. a 31—year—old man is in custody. pretty scared, cos it could have been any of us. like nicky said, we were all out. plus, we'll have the latest salvos in the conservative party's burgeoning civil war. newsnight has learnt that nadine dorries is planning to delay her resignation as an mp to scupper no 10 plans to hold three potentially tricky by—elections on one day. and its forty years since one of the most iconic british sitcoms was born, and now the the lost pilot episode of blackadder has been unearthed. i have a cunning plan! yes, perhaps, but i think
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i have a more cunning one. mine's pretty cunning, my lord! sir tony robinson, who to millions will always be known as baldrick, joins us live. good evening. donald trump loves a spectacle, and it seems the bigger the better, especially when he faces jeopardy. shortly before nine this evening, he emerged from his cavalcade of at least half a dozen vehicles to a throng of screaming supporters, and entered a miami courthouse, where he denied 37 counts of illegally retaining classified documents and obstructing the governments efforts to get them back. despite the serious and detailed allegations, a new poll by cbs found that 76% of likely republican primary voters are more concerned about the indictment being politically motivated than his alleged conduct being a national security risk. so tonight we ask what are the chances he survives this, his bid for the 2024 presidency intact? we'll be discussing that
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with a lawyer who was until last month was a leading counsel on trump's legal team, and the us pollster frank lu ntz. but first, here's david. cheering. it is a scene with become somewhat used to, donald trump arriving at court as a defendant in a criminal prosecution. shortly before the hearing his lawyer gave a flavour of his defence. the hearing his lawyer gave a flavour of his defence-— his defence. the targeting, prosecution _ his defence. the targeting, prosecution of _ his defence. the targeting, prosecution of a _ his defence. the targeting, prosecution of a leading . his defence. the targeting, - prosecution of a leading political opponent is the type of thing you see in dictatorships like cuba and venezuela. it is commonplace there for rival candidates to be prosecuted, persecuted and put into jail. what is being done to president trump should terrify all citizens of this country. these are
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not the ideals that our democracy is founded upon. this is not our america. founded upon. this is not our america-— founded upon. this is not our america. ., ,_ ., america. today's case is by far the most serious _ america. today's case is by far the most serious of _ america. today's case is by far the most serious of the _ america. today's case is by far the most serious of the ones - america. today's case is by far the most serious of the ones he - america. today's case is by far the most serious of the ones he has i most serious of the ones he has faced so far, the 50 page indictment is packed with detail and what reads as compelling evidence. according to the prosecution hundreds of highly classified documents were among boxes of photos, newspaper cuttings and memorabilia that mr trump removed from the white house when he left office injanuary removed from the white house when he left office in january 2021. removed from the white house when he left office injanuary 2021. the charges against mr trump alleged as well as not being entitled to retain the highly sensitive documents, he was also recklessly negligent keeping them stacked up in store rooms at mar—a—lago in florida and a bathroom and even on the ballroom stage. untold numbers of people could have had access to them. in
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may of 2021 mr trump brought some of the documents to his summer residence at the bedminster club in newjersey, at the time he was involved in a spat with the former chairman general mark miley who said mr trump had wanted to attack iran and that he had had to prevent him. on the 21st of may in a taped 0n the 21st of may in a taped interview with a writer at the bedminster club trump said it was not he but miley who had wanted to attack iran and as evidence he produced a classified plan of attack that he said came from miley and the us defence department. look what i found, this was miley�*s plan of attack, he boasted to the writer and later in the record he says it is amazing, i've big pile of papers thisjust came up, amazing, i've big pile of papers this just came up, they presented me with this. this totally wins my case. in the conversation mr trump acknowledges that the document is secret and he did not declassify it whilst in office. alan dershowitz is
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an eminent american lawyer who defended donald trump in his first senate impeachment trial and he says that this tape—recording is a huge problem for the legal team. it is a ni . htmare problem for the legal team. it is a nightmare for— problem for the legal team. it is a nightmare for a _ problem for the legal team. it is a nightmare for a defence _ problem for the legal team. it is a nightmare for a defence lawyer i problem for the legal team. it is a l nightmare for a defence lawyer and the dream of a prosecutor to have his own words, the defence would be a difficult one, he would have to argue i'm donald trump, i'm pompous and do not always tell the truth. i brag. i wasjust and do not always tell the truth. i brag. i was just waving and do not always tell the truth. i brag. i wasjust waving papers and do not always tell the truth. i brag. i was just waving papers to show how important i am. with the jury show how important i am. with the jury believe that? i would not make that argument unless i believed it was true. i would have to see what the evidence looked like so i think that particular tape—recording conversation may be a bridge too far for a defence attorney.— for a defence attorney. when trump was repeatedly _ for a defence attorney. when trump was repeatedly told _ for a defence attorney. when trump was repeatedly told to _ for a defence attorney. when trump was repeatedly told to return - for a defence attorney. when trump was repeatedly told to return the i was repeatedly told to return the papers it is alleged he lied to the authorities and told his attorneys to lie as well. would not be better
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if we just tell them we did not have anything here, he said to one of his legal team according to the indictment. some of the boxes were allegedly removed on the orders of donald trump in an attempt to retain them in of a subpoena. biden mistakenly — them in of a subpoena. biden mistakenly had _ them in of a subpoena. biden mistakenly had to _ them in of a subpoena. biden mistakenly had to classified l mistakenly had to classified documents, vice president mike pence had classified documents, when they discovered they had them what they do? theyjust gave them back to the government. they did not fool around orsay government. they did not fool around or say no, they did not have the lawyers go out and lie, they did not move boxes around, theyjust gave them back. had donald trump simply given them back, it would have been a minor story. this given them back, it would have been a minor story-— a minor story. this is a much stronger— a minor story. this is a much stronger case but _ a minor story. this is a much stronger case but it is - a minor story. this is a much . stronger case but it is tainted by the get — stronger case but it is tainted by the get trump mentality. this is a prosecutor— the get trump mentality. this is a prosecutor appointed not to examine
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the issue _ prosecutor appointed not to examine the issue of former officials who take classified material home with them _ take classified material home with them that would include hillary clinton and donald trump and joe biden and — clinton and donald trump and joe biden and mike pence. he was only assigned _ biden and mike pence. he was only assigned to get trump, only to investigate trump, both in florida and in _ investigate trump, both in florida and in dc— investigate trump, both in florida and in dc and in georgia. and so the perception— and in dc and in georgia. and so the perception is— and in dc and in georgia. and so the perception is that they were out to -et perception is that they were out to get trump — perception is that they were out to get trump. the perception is that they were out to net trum -. ., , , get trump. the former president leaded get trump. the former president pleaded not _ get trump. the former president pleaded not guilty _ get trump. the former president pleaded not guilty and _ get trump. the former president pleaded not guilty and the - get trump. the former president. pleaded not guilty and the hearing was over in 45 minutes. as he left the court america was left wondering what happens next. the repercussions of this could shape the next presidential election and beyond. with me now tim parlatore — an attorney for donald trump who played a key role in the mar—a—lago documents investigation until last month when he resigned. and the leading american pollster frank luntz. good evening. first of all tim parlatore. why did you walk away from such a senior position in the trump legal team? aha, from such a senior position in the trump legal team?— from such a senior position in the trump legal team? a lot of that goes into internal—
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trump legal team? a lot of that goes into internal issues _ trump legal team? a lot of that goes into internal issues and _ trump legal team? a lot of that goes into internal issues and discussions i into internal issues and discussions i do not want to get into too much detail on. essentially i felt that i was not able to really do everything that i thought was necessary to defend him and ifelt it that i thought was necessary to defend him and i felt it was better for someone else to take that up and thatis for someone else to take that up and that is why i decided to walk away. so to what extent is donald trump himself across what goes on? i wonder how much he is a details man or not. he was pleading not guilty tonight but does he go to meetings and actually think about his defence, it's easy or tough work with? l defence, it's easy or tough work with? ., ., , ., , with? i never had a problem with him directl . with? i never had a problem with him directly- any — with? i never had a problem with him directly. any time _ with? i never had a problem with him directly. any time you _ with? i never had a problem with him directly. any time you are _ directly. any time you are representing someone who is a former president and also a candidate and has all of these other people around them it becomes more complicated. so
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it was very representation from my normal attorney—client relationships. that is what it was like. �* . . ~' relationships. that is what it was like. �* ., ., ~ ., , like. but what we talk about here is siml like. but what we talk about here is simply pleading _ like. but what we talk about here is simply pleading not _ like. but what we talk about here is simply pleading not guilty - like. but what we talk about here is simply pleading not guilty to - like. but what we talk about here is simply pleading not guilty to what l simply pleading not guilty to what looks like a case of documents in showers, does it come to a point where things are much more tricky to defend as a lawyer? $5 where things are much more tricky to defend as a lawyer?— defend as a lawyer? as to the evidence itself, _ defend as a lawyer? as to the evidence itself, setting - defend as a lawyer? as to the evidence itself, setting aside | defend as a lawyer? as to the i evidence itself, setting aside all the other collateral atmospherics, this case when i look at the indictment it is definitely a serious case. the allegations are serious, they appear to be backed up ljy serious, they appear to be backed up by evidence. of course one thing you have to wait for is to get the actual discovery to see if they really have back—up for all the claims that they have been making and that is something that i've seen in other cases where you read the initial document and think that sounds really bad. and then you dig into it a bit deeper and find out
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the evidence does not say that at all. so the evidence does not say that at all. ., the evidence does not say that at all, 4' , ., , the evidence does not say that at all. ~ i. , , all. so knew your view, is this the most dangerous _ all. so knew your view, is this the most dangerous threat _ all. so knew your view, is this the most dangerous threat to - all. so knew your view, is this the most dangerous threat to his - most dangerous threat to his freedom so far? ~ ., most dangerous threat to his freedom so far? a, ,., ., ., 4, so far? more so than the new york case, absolutely. _ so far? more so than the new york case, absolutely. the _ so far? more so than the new york case, absolutely. the new- so far? more so than the new york case, absolutely. the new york - so far? more so than the new york i case, absolutely. the new york case had significant legal defects to it. this is a realfederal case. there are legal defences to be raised, it certainly issues to be raised at trial. but any time you're dealing with the federal government in a criminal case it is a serious matter to be dealt with.— to be dealt with. before i turn to frank, to be dealt with. before i turn to frank. one _ to be dealt with. before i turn to frank, one thing _ to be dealt with. before i turn to frank, one thing about - to be dealt with. before i turn to frank, one thing about the - to be dealt with. before i turn to i frank, one thing about the placing of this, florida, is not new york, is the florida situation going to give him the best chance? i think ou give him the best chance? i think you always _ give him the best chance? i think you always want _ give him the best chance? i think you always want to _ give him the best chance? i think you always want to try _ give him the best chance? i think you always want to try to - give him the best chance? i think you always want to try to get - give him the best chance? i think you always want to try to get a i you always want to try to get a positive jury for you. but i think that simply to cast the jury pool
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based on what the demographics of the area voted for in an election is a bit too shallow of a way to look at it. as trial lawyers we try to take 12 people are very disparate points of view and get them all to agree on something and so that is a challenge no matter where you are. thank you. frank luntz, in court 0ne thank you. frank luntz, in court one day and campaigning the next, is there any distinction for donald trump between them? i there any distinction for donald trump between them? i cannot see it and neither can _ trump between them? i cannot see it and neither can the _ trump between them? i cannot see it and neither can the voters. _ trump between them? i cannot see it and neither can the voters. the - trump between them? i cannot see it and neither can the voters. the fact l and neither can the voters. the fact is as trump got into more and more legal trouble and more accusations and indictments, even being found guilty of some sort of sexual assault, his numbers went up. donald trump is stronger today than he was three months ago, six months ago, a year ago. three months ago, six months ago, a yearago. his three months ago, six months ago, a year ago. his popularity is increasing and he is why, not only to face him as a victim, they now seem as the victim of persecution
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and so republicans are rallying around him. some of his opponents will not even criticising this. the typical rank—and—file republican believes that he is innocent and they believe that this is in the words of donald trump are witch hunt and so i say to you because this programme matters, this network matters, we've last the truth and there nothing more important and listen to the lawyer here, the truth is the most important and when you believe and trust in what is being said to you, when you look at evidence and facts and do not believe it then what does that mean for democracy and for the country. and in your estimation and you are polling and your gut instinct, is there a possibility now in your view that he could be the next president? let's start with the nomination because he has got to get that first. he is at 50% now in many polls which means all these other
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candidates running to not even tally his number. that makes it more likely than not that he wins the nomination, independent voters do not like what they see and to democrats and we have the splits america. and the problem is for those people who have not made up their mind they look atjoe biden and hillary clinton and they ask, they wonder why they have not been prosecuted. but they wonder why they have not been rosecuted. �* , , , , prosecuted. but his base is his base, is there _ prosecuted. but his base is his base, is there anything - prosecuted. but his base is his base, is there anything the - prosecuted. but his base is his i base, is there anything the other candidates, is there anything they could do to harm him if he gets the nomination or is everything being counterfactual in terms of the truth and lies? i counterfactual in terms of the truth and lies? .., ., , ., and lies? i cannot tell you where the narrative _ and lies? i cannot tell you where the narrative is going _ and lies? i cannot tell you where the narrative is going to - and lies? i cannot tell you where the narrative is going to go, - and lies? i cannot tell you where the narrative is going to go, myl and lies? i cannot tell you where i the narrative is going to go, my job the narrative is going to go, myjob is to measure it and try to project into the future but i can tell you this, it is now an issue of the government versus trump. and the
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government versus trump. and the government in america is so unpopular and it lacks so much credibility that donald trump has masterfully changed the dynamic, change the narrative. and unless they're able to put it back then absolutely trump is a credible candidate and yes he could win. and my challenge to those people watching now is that it is up to the news media and networks like this and up to the prosecution to understand how voters think and feel because if they don't, they will actually help trump succeed. coming back to you, tim, if this case is still in motion during the presidential elections and donald trump is the candidate, you think it would help him harm him? fin trump is the candidate, you think it would help him harm him? on which side? i don't — would help him harm him? on which side? i don't know— would help him harm him? on which side? i don't know if— would help him harm him? on which side? i don't know if you _ would help him harm him? on which side? i don't know if you are - would help him harm him? on which side? i don't know if you are a - side? i don't know if you are a supporter _ side? i don't know if you are a supporter of _ side? i don't know if you are a supporter of donald _ side? i don't know if you are a supporter of donald trump i side? i don't know if you are a - supporter of donald trump personally or politically? i
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supporter of donald trump personally or politically?— or politically? i am not a political iu , or politically? i am not a political au , i or politically? i am not a political guy. i am — or politically? i am not a political guy. i amiust — or politically? i am not a political guy. i am just a _ or politically? i am not a political guy, i amjust a lawyer, - or politically? i am not a political guy, i amjust a lawyer, so - or politically? i am not a political guy, i amjust a lawyer, so i- or politically? i am not a political guy, i amjust a lawyer, so i willl guy, i am just a lawyer, so i will 'ust guy, i am just a lawyer, so i will just answer— guy, i am just a lawyer, so i will just answer on the lawyer side. does it help _ just answer on the lawyer side. does it help in _ just answer on the lawyer side. does it help in court for him to be a candidate? _ it help in court for him to be a candidate? it is a double—edged sword — candidate? it is a double—edged sword it— candidate? it is a double—edged sword. it could in some ways help, but in _ sword. it could in some ways help, but in some — sword. it could in some ways help, but in some ways it could hurt. when i advise _ but in some ways it could hurt. when i advise a _ but in some ways it could hurt. when i advise a client i generally say to them _ i advise a client i generally say to them to— i advise a client i generally say to them to say nothing about the case and to— them to say nothing about the case and to let _ them to say nothing about the case and to let the lawyers to all the work _ and to let the lawyers to all the work that _ and to let the lawyers to all the work. that is not really an option in this— work. that is not really an option in this case _ work. that is not really an option in this case. by the same token it is something that the matter of what you do. _ is something that the matter of what you do, jurors and judges will hear these _ you do, jurors and judges will hear these things happening in the media, no matter— these things happening in the media, no matter how much you instruct them not to _ no matter how much you instruct them not to so _ no matter how much you instruct them not to so it _ no matter how much you instruct them not to. so it really does become a double—edged sword and i think the challenge _ double—edged sword and i think the challenge for the lawyers is to really — challenge for the lawyers is to reallyjust challenge for the lawyers is to really just focus challenge for the lawyers is to reallyjust focus on what is happening in the courtroom and to try and _ happening in the courtroom and to try and help the jury tune out all the noise —
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try and help the jury tune out all the noise and tojust try and help the jury tune out all the noise and to just focus on the facts _ the noise and to just focus on the facts and — the noise and to just focus on the facts and evidence that is in the courtroom — facts and evidence that is in the courtroom itself.— facts and evidence that is in the courtroom itself. thank you both very much- _ courtroom itself. thank you both very much- can _ courtroom itself. thank you both very much. can you _ courtroom itself. thank you both very much. can you imagine - courtroom itself. thank you both very much. can you imagine on | very much. can you imagine on election night on these primary night that donald trump will be walking out of a courtroom and into a celebration? this has never happened in the 250 year history of our country and god help us if we get this wrong. our country and god help us if we get this wrong-— our country and god help us if we get this wrong. thank you very much indeed. get this wrong. thank you very much indeed- let's — get this wrong. thank you very much indeed- let's go _ get this wrong. thank you very much indeed. let's go to _ get this wrong. thank you very much indeed. let's go to british _ get this wrong. thank you very much indeed. let's go to british politics i indeed. let's go to british politics now. 0n the basis that its not over until its over, its emerged this evening borisjohnson submitted a last—minute letter at three minutes to midnight last night to the privileges committee, which is likely to publish its decision on thursday on whether the former prime minister misled parliament over lockdown parties. and tonight nick is here with news of some mischief making by one of his most loyal lieutenants. what are you hearing? 0ne what are you hearing? one of the great mysteries of this affair is that three conservative mps said they would be off and only two have gone and that is borisjohnson and
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nigel adams, so that leaves the former culture secretary nadine dorries. i understand she is planning to delay her actual resignation and we may not see that until shortly before the start of the parliamentary summer recess at the parliamentary summer recess at the end ofjuly. so why is the former cabinet minister doing that? we know that nadine dorries is deeply unhappy with number ten for, in her eyes, scuppering her peerage. delaying her resignation as an mp would scupper another plan, that is the downing street plan to deal with the downing street plan to deal with the pain of potentially tricky by—elections by holding them quickly and holding them on one day. and of course until nadine dorries triggered the ancient process to resign as an mp she is free to enter the chamber of the house of commons where she could use parliamentary privilege to explain why she is so angry. that anger stems from the view in the borisjohnson camp that
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they did not do anything as crude as blocking the period of four mps, theyjust ran down the clock for six months so that from the time mps were nominated until the time ran out. thejohnson camp said they knew there was a process where you had to be vetted every six months, but they had not been told that the clock would start ticking from the moment of private offer, not public announcement, and so the fell off the cliff. downing street is saying they followed all the rules and procedures. i5 they followed all the rules and procedures-— they followed all the rules and rocedures. , ., ., procedures. is he part of nadine dorries per— procedures. is he part of nadine dorries per a — procedures. is he part of nadine dorries per a cunning _ procedures. is he part of nadine dorries per a cunning plan? - procedures. is he part of nadine| dorries per a cunning plan? let's look at the commons privileges committee and that letter from boris johnson. committee and that letter from boris johnson. ~ . , committee and that letter from boris johnson. ~ ., , ., , , ., johnson. what is happening now? there is talk— johnson. what is happening now? there is talk of _ johnson. what is happening now? there is talk of a _ johnson. what is happening now? there is talk of a delay _ johnson. what is happening now? there is talk of a delay in - johnson. what is happening now? there is talk of a delay in the - there is talk of a delay in the publication and there is a huge printing operation and that late letter from printing operation and that late letterfrom borisjohnson. it is looking like we will see later this week, possibly on thursday. the report will find the former prime minister in contempt of parliament
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for misleading mps. it would be a goodidea for misleading mps. it would be a good idea to take a look at the official definition of contempt. the rule book, erskine may, talks about any act or omission which obstructs or impedes in the houses of parliament in the performance of its functions may be treated as a contempt. the significance of that is that contempt may be applied to some mps and peers who have criticised the privileges committee for the unfair treatment or political treatment. the crucial line is anything that obstructs and impedes parliament doing its work. mps outside the committee are wondering maybe we will see a reference to that. maybe the commons motion that approves this report will be amended to include this in, which could then instruct the
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privileges committee to carry out a investigation or maybe keir starmer will ask the speaker if he could raise this on the floor of the house and that could trigger another investigation. all in all, supporters of borisjohnson are expecting this and that is spoiling for a fight. at a vigil tonight the bishop of southwell and nottingham said the city was in "collective shock and disbelief". his words followed the horrific fatal attack in the early hours of this morning on two 19—year—old students, one named locally tonight as barnaby webber, and a third man in his fifties. three more people are injured. a 31—year—old man is under arrest on suspicion of murder. anna's spent the day in nottingham and sent this report. while a city slept a series of violent attacks played out on the streets. for many, this scorching hot day has been spent in shock and
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for some in morning. parts of nottingham have been close of and transport brought to a halt. the whole city _ transport brought to a halt. the whole city has _ transport brought to a halt. the: whole city has been shaken transport brought to a halt. ti9 whole city has been shaken and certainly in my lifetime nottingham has not experienced anything like this. but we do have a proud history of coming together in times of tragedy and i have no doubt that this time it will not be any different. it this time it will not be any different-— this time it will not be any different. .,, :, . ,, this time it will not be any different. :, ,, , different. it was four o'clock this mornin: different. it was four o'clock this morning when — different. it was four o'clock this morning when police _ different. it was four o'clock this morning when police say - different. it was four o'clock this morning when police say the - different. it was four o'clock this | morning when police say the first different. it was four o'clock this i morning when police say the first of three horrific and tragic incidents, which are believed to be linked, took place. 219—year—old students from nottingham university were found here, stabbed to death. 0ne found here, stabbed to death. one has been named locally as barnaby webber. several hundred yards up the street this property was raided by police. its door was broken off its hinges. forensic officers are meticulously searching every part of this road. earlier we saw them looking at a drain and now they are
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using a special device with a camera on top of it to see if any evidence has been sewn up higher on window ledges. close to the city's two universities the lantern area is a popular place for students to live. people here are all too aware of what has happened after waking up to the tragic news. i what has happened after waking up to the tragic news-— the tragic news. i have seen loads of messages _ the tragic news. i have seen loads of messages from _ the tragic news. i have seen loads of messages from my _ the tragic news. i have seen loads of messages from my friends - the tragic news. i have seen loads of messages from my friends and | of messages from my friends and family, are you 0k? did anything happen? did you hearanything? i didn't know what was going on and i checked the news app and there was so much stuff, so i came into the kitchen and i see everyone and i think, thank god they are here. originally we decided on walking but the only— originally we decided on walking but the only reason was because i was tired _ the only reason was because i was tired and _ the only reason was because i was tired and i— the only reason was because i was tired and i decided to get here early— tired and i decided to get here early and _ tired and i decided to get here early and i am grateful that i did because — early and i am grateful that i did because we would have been walking down the _ because we would have been walking down the road next to where it happened. down the road next to where it
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happened-— down the road next to where it ha ened. :, , :, , happened. two miles from the first incident a man _ happened. two miles from the first incident a man in _ happened. two miles from the first incident a man in his _ happened. two miles from the first incident a man in his 50s _ happened. two miles from the first incident a man in his 50s who - happened. two miles from the first | incident a man in his 50s who owned a white van was also found stabbed to death. police believe the murder suspect stole the victim's vehicle and then attempted to run over three people in a third location. people said they saw the van at the place where the 31—year—old man was tasered and taken into custody. the methods used in these alleged murders raises the question of motivation. nottingham police says it is closely working with counterterrorism experts. lecturer in criminology says the incidents to carry the hallmarks of terrorism but says it is too early to know. remember police in the murder investigation will have 96 hours, four days, to hold a suspect. under a terrorism charge they can hold an individualfor a terrorism charge they can hold an individual for seven days initially and 1a days before charging that person. counterterrorism not only brings an investigative power to the table but also a kind of legal
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armoury that allows the police to look at this slightly differently. nottingham is a city shaken and there is a dedicated phone line set “p there is a dedicated phone line set up to support those struggling to cope. this was the message from one of the city's three mps. it is important — of the city's three mps. it is important to _ of the city's three mps. it is important to reiterate - of the city's three mps. it 3 important to reiterate what the piece are saying, which is the incident is not being treated as a live incident and they are assuring people that it is a city safe to go out in, but as you can see police cordons are still around and that is to preserve evidence. $5 cordons are still around and that is to preserve evidence.— cordons are still around and that is to preserve evidence. as the evening sun blazed outside _ to preserve evidence. as the evening sun blazed outside it _ to preserve evidence. as the evening sun blazed outside it was _ to preserve evidence. as the evening sun blazed outside it was mostly - to preserve evidence. as the evening sun blazed outside it was mostly the | sun blazed outside it was mostly the young who attended a vigil at saint peter's church. some knew the victims, others did not, but were drawn here anyway to take a moment to lay flowers or light a candle. less than 2a hours since the attacks this is an investigation is still in
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its early stages, as is the grief and shock across the city. the covid inquiry opened today with a damning indictment of the uk's preparedness to deal with covid. the counsel for the covid—19 bereaved families forjustice group, pete wetherby kc, said the closest to an overall plan to deal with covid in 2020 was a 2011 document drawn up to protect the uk from an outbreak of influenza. and he went on to allege that the evidence will show that little or no ministerial leadership and the chaos of committees was what led to poor planning. earlier when the chair of the inquiry, lady hallett, opened proceedings, she paid tribute to what she called a "dignified vigil" of bereaved family members holding a silent protest outside the building. kate is here. what did we hear today on the opening day? the what did we hear today on the opening day?— what did we hear today on the oenin: da ? , :, opening day? the first part of the inuui is opening day? the first part of the inquiry is only _ opening day? the first part of the inquiry is only looking _ opening day? the first part of the inquiry is only looking at - opening day? the first part of the inquiry is only looking at the - inquiry is only looking at the preparation before the pandemic hit.
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up preparation before the pandemic hit. up to late january 2020. today was the opening statements, when the lawyers are set out their arguments. so far it has been largely believed groups and independent organisations. but what we heard again and again were allegations that the uk's preparation for a pandemic was inadequate. firstly, the inquiry heard it was a flue pandemic, despite the fact there have been several coronavirus outbreaks including sars and mars. the british medical association argued that as a result we could not cope with a virus like covid that spread through airborne transmission. initially considered hand washing. what else was there? the uk's pandemic focus on the worst—case scenario. what would we do if hundreds of thousands of people died? that meant there was no
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thought about mitigating stopping it in the first place. none of the uk's pandemic plans suggested non—pharmacological interventions, and there's things like doctors, travel restrictions and closing schools and workplaces. when they were disgusted they became tangled up were disgusted they became tangled up in political dispute at a heightened time rather than being planned. we were reacting to a situation and not being proactive. that is the way the planning of the government went? thea;r that is the way the planning of the government went?— that is the way the planning of the government went? they put together a dia . ram government went? they put together a diauram of government went? they put together a diagram of how — government went? they put together a diagram of how the _ government went? they put together a diagram of how the uk's _ government went? they put together a diagram of how the uk's planning - diagram of how the uk's planning worked and we have got it here. it has been described as a spaghetti, elaborate and confusing and a recipe for chaos and failure. at the top of the cabinet office, technically in charge of coordinating anything, but without any remit to the oversight of anyone else. in the middle is the department of health, despite the fact that the lead counsel to the inquiry said it was self—evident in a crisis they could not alone hold a burden for the whole economic and
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societal response. somewhere down there in the corner are category one responds like the police and local authorities. they have a legal duty to assess risks and set out plans. central government, no such legal responsibility. imagine, amongst all of those things get messy. at the start of the pandemic the government did not have a complete list of local directors of public health across the country and those directors were learning about gadgets from the media at the same time as the public that they were meant to be helping to inform. i'm nowjoined by helen buckingham, director of strategy at the nuffield trust who also has 25 years' experience in the nhs. thank you forjoining us. the inquiry heard today from lawyers representing families that the government was woefully unprepared for the pandemic. what is your assessment of that having heard kate? i assessment of that having heard kate? ., , assessment of that having heard kate? ~ , ., :, assessment of that having heard kate? ~' , ., :, ., kate? i think it is fair to say that hindsiaht kate? i think it is fair to say that hindsight is _ kate? i think it is fair to say that
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hindsight is always _ kate? i think it is fair to say that hindsight is always 20-20, - kate? i think it is fair to say that hindsight is always 20-20, but l kate? i think it is fair to say that - hindsight is always 20-20, but some hindsight is always 20—20, but some things were clear right at the beginning of this pandemic and i remember saying myself in interviews like this that the nhs and the wider health care system was going into this crisis and at that time we didn't know how it was going to unfold, in a worse position than it had done when it dealt with swine flu in 2009 because the whole system was in a more difficult position, a more fragile position. we could see already back in 2020, even before the pandemic started, that performance across the nhs was starting to slip, we were not hitting targets for urgent care and had not hit them since 2015. it was not hitting targets for the length of time people should wait for surgery. we could see the signs of a system that was already starting to creak at the edges where we had not good a workforce plan in place and
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significantly we had failed to invest in the infrastructure of the health and care system, failed to invest in buildings and equipment needed to run a modern health service. , :, needed to run a modern health service. , ., :, , :, ~' service. given that, do you think lessons from _ service. given that, do you think lessons from the _ service. given that, do you think lessons from the early _ service. given that, do you think lessons from the early phase - service. given that, do you think i lessons from the early phase have been learned, especially at the moment when we are hearing about shortages in the nhs, lengthy waiting times? are we in and any better position? the nuffield trust has looked at how the health system recovered from the pandemic and compare that to other countries and our recovery has been slower than other countries. one reason for that is the level of investment that we have so we have fewer doctors and nurses, fewer hospital beds per head of population than most of the other first world countries we would want to compare ourselves with. the nhs has been living what you could say is hand to mouth existence certainly for the
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past five years and probably longer and as a result of that has not been able to make the investments that the nhs leaders themselves want to be able to make to deliver long—term improvements and deliberate resilience. if we think back of resilience. if we think back of resilience being the ability to prepare for and manage a shock, the system is not resilient at the minute. :, ., system is not resilient at the minute. :, ,, i. system is not resilient at the minute. :, ~' ,, , system is not resilient at the minute. :, ,, i. , . the sitcom. beloved of generations of tv viewers. its characters have caught our attention, its catchphrases have caught on. many of us have a soft spot for the old shows, with gags good enough to withstand repeat viewing decades after they were first broadcast. one classic celebrating its 40th birthday this month is blackadder. to mark the occasion, baldrick, also known as sir tony robinson, has made a documentary about the unaired pilot episode that will be screened on uk gold this thursday. we'll talk cunning plans with baldrick himself in a moment, but first, let's look back.
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cameras to your positions. traditionally recorded in front of a live studio audience, the british sitcom's roots, like much earlier television, were theatrical. for a long time, its biggest home was the bbc�*s television centre. is this a piece of your brain? there, audiences saw the creation of some classic comedy and witnessed some extraordinary practical effects. i am not a virgin! but thoughtalent, imagination and creative ambition were on parade on the studio floor, an audience in good form could really make a scene. answer me one question, love. where's my clint? laughter. sorry? blackadder was one of
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the biggest hits in the 19805. it's mix of comedy and history, satire and pathos, struck just the right note. the poignant conclusion to its fourth series, set in the trenches of the first world war, moved audiences to tears. it still gets shown in schools. but things could have been different. a costly first series with lavish location filming almost meant the end. oh, damn! michael grade said he wanted it cheaper? he wanted morejokes per pound. fortunately, both the character and the programme were hell bent on survival. in a cunning plan worthy of baldrick himself, subsequent series cut costs by fully embracing all that was great about the less—expensive studio format, even making it part of thejoke. shot by a transvestite
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on an unrealistic grassy knoll! this week, uktv is marking blackadder�*s 40th birthday by showing the un—aired pilot. i have a cunning plan! unbelievably, baldrick isn't played by tony robinson. but tony has made a documentary about it. the pilot is very close to the atmosphere, texture and construction of series two. baldrick, i think i'm going to castrate you. we did the pilot, we bring john lloyd on board as we think we can make something really original on film. and strangely, what really works best are the intimate things. i saw a horse with two| heads and two bodies! two horses standing next to each other? and then i bump into ben elton and ben said, if i was going to do it, you should have set it, just like the pilot, in just a bbc studio with an audience who are laughing at it.
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a pint! have you gone raving mad? the timeless quality of many of these old shows keeps them alive. but modern technology can help them reach a new audience. a splash of colour for hancock... that's very nearly an armful! and where film reels survive, a high definition scan can sharpen up the gags. these days, most sitcoms do without a studio audience. leaving the laughs to be created at home. one thing is for sure, the gogglebox has always been good for a giggle. praise the lord for the gift of laughter! and baldrick himself, sir tony robinson, is here. lovely to see you. was it obvious right from the start for you that this was a show that was definitely, even though it was about budget in definitely, this was a show that was definitely, even though it was about budget in the second series, going to work the second series, going to work better in a studio with that better in a studio with that
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audience around you? audience around you? better in a studio with that audience around ou? :, , audience around you? from the very bearinnin audience around you? from the very beginning it — audience around you? from the very better in a studio with that audience around ou? :, , audience around you? from the very bearinnin audience around you? from the very beginning it — audience around you? from the very beginning it did _ audience around you? from the very beginning it did not _ audience around you? from the very beginning it did not seem _ audience around you? from the very beginning it did not seem like - audience around you? from the very beginning it did not seem like it - beginning it did not seem like it beginning it did _ audience around you? from the very beginning it did not _ audience around you? from the very beginning it did not seem _ audience around you? from the very beginning it did not seem like - audience around you? from the very beginning it did not seem like it - beginning it did not seem like it was going to go anywhere fast at was going to go anywhere fast at all. the first scenes were a bit all. the first scenes were a bit ghastly. i was flattered to be asked ghastly. i was flattered to be asked to do it because all the other to do it because all the other people in it were a dazzling people in it were a dazzling oxbridge talent and i was just a oxbridge talent and i was just a working actor. i wanted to do it but working actor. i wanted it did not cut the mustard and neither did the pilot. the first series was only really appreciated by the catering audience. it was not until the second series when suddenly we seem to be up and running especially with miranda richardson as queen. suddenly we've got the thing that we had been yearning for and yes, the discipline of the studio was great for that but it was just the learning process, really. it was 'ust the learning process, reall . ~ , :, ,, ., :, really. we still have upstart crow, mrs itrown's _ really. we still have upstart crow, mrs brown's boys, _ really. we still have upstart crow, mrs brown's boys, but _ really. we still have upstart crow, mrs brown's boys, but not - really. we still have upstart crow, mrs brown's boys, but not that i really. we still have upstart crow, i mrs brown's boys, but not that many studio shows now. to think that we
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