historic day. i'm sumi somaskanda in washington. thank you forjoining us here on bbc news. trump is not the former first president ever to face federal charges. he's accused of keeping classified documents after he left the white house. earlier in florida, protesters and supporters both came out for his day in court in miami. a protester holding a lock him up a protester holding a lock him up outside lunged at the motorcade as trump was leaving the trial. he was officially arraigned there after being indicted by a grand jury in special counseljack smith's investigation last week. after leaving court, the former president paid a visit to a cafe in miami and beside him you'll see his co—defendant, walt nauta, his personal aide and as we said co—defendant. supporters there prayed for trump who remained defiant he said things were going great and he called it a rig deal. and a few moments ago, trump touched down and will head to his golf course for that speech. we'll be bringing you

part of it when it happens. here is what trump said at that cafe earlier. we here is what trump said at that cafe earlier-— cafe earlier. we have a country that is in _ cafe earlier. we have a country that is in decline _ cafe earlier. we have a country that is in decline like _ cafe earlier. we have a country that is in decline like never - that is in decline like never before and we can't let it happen. i'm going to make a little speech tonight in bed —— i hope you'll be there. little speech tonight in bed -- i hope you'll be there.- i hope you'll be there. let's look what — i hope you'll be there. let's look what happened - i hope you'll be there. let's look what happened today i i hope you'll be there. let's| look what happened today in miami, florida. former president trump turned himself to a federal courthouse in downtown miami. at the courthouse he was booked and processed giving his fingerprints and a dna swab, but not a mug shot. he was then escorted into a 13th flar courtroom just before 3:00pm eastern time. there are dozens of reporters and about nine civilians who came to watch. one of the lawyers entered a not guilty plea on trump's behalf. trump faces 37 counts of criminal charges in a grand jury indictment that alleges us government secrets were stored in a shower, bathroom, ballroom

and bedroom of his mar—a—lago estate. donald trump stat between two of his lawyers and off to the right at the same table was walt nauta. we mentioned that is his personal aide who is also facing criminal charges relationing to lies to investigators and scheming with mr trump to conceal boxes. nauta will be arraigned in two weeks. the us department ofjustice's special counsel, jack smith, was also at the hearing. now, these are the conditions for trump's release. let's take a look here. the former president will not be required to surrounder his passport. there'll be no limit on his international or domestic travel pending the outcome of his trial. trump is barred from speaking to his co—defendant walt nauta about the facts of the case. there will, however, be able to have limited communication due to their working relations. again he's an aide of trump's. the justice department will submit a list of witnesses in the case that trump will be barred from speaking to about the case. the former president's legal team objected to this special condition, but ultimately the judge decided that the list by

the doj will be accepted. so a lot happened today, a lot to take in. let's go right to our correspondent, helena humphrey, who is in miami. she's been covering all the day's proceedings for us there. she's just in front of that courthouse for us. helena, great to see you again. an historic day there in miami, tell us what you witnessed? i think it's fair to say that for a day of such significance, as you say, a moment of history here, it was a relatively short appearance, of course, for donald trump. this was a procedural matter. i wouldn't say it was anti—climatic, but we now know this is just one step of what will likely be a long and drawnout process. so as you say, donald trump coming to this federal courthouse which you can see behind me dring through a back door, then coming into the federal court house where, as you say, he was booked, he was processed, and, of course, let's keep in mind he was booked and processed in a way that any other criminal

defendant facing federal felony charges would be just underscoring just how historic this moment is. but aside from what actually happened inside the courthouse today, i think it was remarkable what happened outside as well and that tells us so much about what america is facing right now. now, we know, of course, that as soon as this indictment was unsealed, donald trump had called on his supporters to come out, to protest, to defend him and they did. we saw around 100, perhaps 200, donald trump supporters coming out here in the miami heat, in the heat of the miami heat, in the heat of the day, and at times having some tense exchanges with vehement critics of donald trump. but they definitely outnumbered those critics of donald trump. and they were essentially repeating, talking points that we already heard from the former president saying that this was a witch—hunt. it was a hoax, talking about election fraud, saying that biden instead should be the one to be

investigated. now, that said, we didn't see some of the violent scenes that some people had been worried about particularly in light of some extremist rhetoric, but i do want to bring in now here with me kayla epstein. as i mentioned, kayla, of course, tv cameras weren't allowed inside. so we were relying on our bbc reporters inside the courtroom to be our eyes and ears and, kayla, just tell us, what you witnessed, what was the atmosphere like inside the courtroom?— atmosphere like inside the courtroom? ., courtroom? right, well, from the moment _ courtroom? right, well, from the moment i _ courtroom? right, well, from the moment i walked - courtroom? right, well, from the moment i walked into - courtroom? right, well, from the moment i walked into thej the moment i walked into the courtroom, you can immediately feel the — courtroom, you can immediately feel the tension. donald trump was already there and the first thing — was already there and the first thing i— was already there and the first thing i saw when i walked in was — thing i saw when i walked in was him _ thing i saw when i walked in was him seated at the defence table _ was him seated at the defence table flanked by his two attorneys looking very sombre and not — attorneys looking very sombre and not saying a word. that was then the atmosphere, _ then the atmosphere, procedurally what more did we actually learn through, you know, what was a fairly short process? know, what was a fairly short rocess? , ~ know, what was a fairly short process?— process? yes, like you mentioned _ process? yes, like you mentioned before, - process? yes, like you| mentioned before, this process? yes, like you i mentioned before, this is actually— mentioned before, this is actually process that any criminal defendant would go through. it was an arraignment so the — through. it was an arraignment so the judge made sure he knew his charges. he agreed to the

terms — his charges. he agreed to the terms of— his charges. he agreed to the terms of his bond release and he pleaded not guilty. so those were _ he pleaded not guilty. so those were the — he pleaded not guilty. so those were the main things that happened today. | were the main things that happened today.- were the main things that happened today. i know it's a big question _ happened today. i know it's a big question and _ happened today. i know it's a big question and there's - happened today. i know it's a big question and there's a - happened today. i know it's a big question and there's a lot of speculation right now about what comes next. but potentially where could we go from here?— potentially where could we go from here? right. well, this is likel to from here? right. well, this is likely to be _ from here? right. well, this is likely to be quite _ from here? right. well, this is likely to be quite a _ from here? right. well, this is likely to be quite a drawnout . likely to be quite a drawnout process _ likely to be quite a drawnout process. we are going to see lawyers — process. we are going to see lawyers haggling over what defence — what materials are admissible, the defence attorneys are going to be trying _ attorneys are going to be trying to make the best possible case for the president, and it will, you know. _ president, and it will, you know, likely take some time and could _ know, likely take some time and could drag — know, likely take some time and could drag out into the 2024 election _ could drag out into the 2024 election. ., . , , election. kayla epstein there, us senior— election. kayla epstein there, us seniorjournalist _ election. kayla epstein there, us seniorjournalist for - election. kayla epstein there, us seniorjournalist for bbc. i us seniorjournalist for bbc. thank you so much for your insights. so as you see, as we have just been mentioning, insights. so as you see, as we havejust been mentioning, one step in what will potentially be a very protracted legal process. be a very protracted legal process— be a very protracted legal rocess. ., , , process. really interesting insi . hts process. really interesting insights there _ process. really interesting insights there from - process. really interesting insights there from helena process. really interesting - insights there from helena and kayla. helena we'll be coming back to you later. as we have been looking at those pictures from newjersey, let's go right

to major garret, chief washington correspondent for cbs news, he's where trump is expected to make his speech. thank you so much forjoining us. what do you expect to hear from the former president tonight? 50 from the former president toniaht? �* , . ., tonight? so we're expected to see former — tonight? so we're expected to see former president - tonight? so we're expected to see former president trump l tonight? so we're expected to i see former president trump here on the outdoor courtyard of his golf club in bedminster in new jersey, and if past his prologue, quoting we'll hear a speech very much like former president gave in mar—a—lago at his club there at the manhattan district attorney indicted him on other charges and that is all charges brought against former president trump are politically—motivated because as he said then, and is likely to say now, is the republican front runner for nomination to say now, is the republican front runnerfor nomination in 2024 and this is an attempt he will argue by the sitting biden administration to villainise

him as the leading republican challengerfor him as the leading republican challenger for that nomination and possibly for the presidency of 2024. and the atmosphere you see behind me is an array of about 300 or so trump supporters, maybe 200. they're club members here at the golf club members here at the golf club in newjersey. they're invited guests, some of them are donors to the trump campaign. and they're hoping to raise, that's what they're going to do, have a little party but also raise some money, their about $2 million and —— their goal about $2 million. every fundraising effort the former president undertakes, some of that money goes to fuel his presidential campaign which is political, some of it to pay his legal bills which are mounting. not only because he's been indicted in manhattan and now under federal charges in miami, but there very well many be other charges coming in the jurisdictions. those legal bills will be mult plying and a need to pay them. part of the campaign process of raising funds and seconding a political message not only across the country here in america but

across the world that this former president is not intimidated and willing to put forward a political argument that he's been, in his words, persecuted because he is a formidable political challenger to sitting president biden. that's the atmosphere here in bedminster.— bedminster. what are you heafina bedminster. what are you hearing from _ bedminster. what are you hearing from the - bedminster. what are you hearing from the former l hearing from the former president's campaign tonight? couple of things. one — that this will, within the context and it's a special context, of and it's a special context, of a conversation of the former president has with likely republican and primary caucus voters, this is the moment to rally around the former president. our own polling that came out this weekend, much of which reflected awareness of this fram indictment, 37 charges, show that most republicans, 61% said it changed their opinion of the former president not at all.

14% said it improves their assessment of former president trump. add those two numbers together — 61% and 14%, that's 75% said it's either had no effect or improved their assessment of former president trump. and the trump campaign believes that right now, in this moment, there is a rallying around the former president. the great question the trump campaign doesn't have a firm answer on this — is it going to have a durable political effect. plenty challengers to former president trump for the republicon nomination. some of them are beginning to dip hair toes in the water of criticism about this indictment saying they wouldn't have handled classified documents in this way. they have some serious questions about what the president did with those documents after leaving the white house. they haven't fully criticised him or tried to take him down on this, but you can see they're trying to experiment with some form of criticism about his underlying content. mi criticism about his underlying content. �* ~ content. all right. well, we will be certainly _

content. all right. well, we will be certainly watching i content. all right. well, we i will be certainly watching very closely here what the former president says there tonight. we know he is on his way to where you are, major, to the bedminster golf club where we'll be speaking shortly. major, thank you so much for speaking with us tonight and giving us our insights. as we said that speech is expected to start shortly and i have a terrific panel to talk about all of this. what happened today in miami and what we're expecting to see tonight. this panel is with me in studio. rinna shaw, republican gist and joining virtually tonight we have bradley moss. national security lawyer, chuck coughline ceo and president of highground political consulting and mary ann marsh. great to have you all with us. this is such an interesting night to be following, isn't it? brad, i want to start with you, talking about some of the legal aspects of what we have seen today. we talked a little bit about the conditions of release for the former president. what did you make of those? are there any restrictions on what he can and cannot say tonight? trio.

restrictions on what he can and cannot say tonight? no, there's ve little cannot say tonight? no, there's very little restriction _ cannot say tonight? no, there's very little restriction that's - very little restriction that's currently imposed on mr trump. he and his supporters like to talk about a two—tiered system of justice. talk about a two—tiered system ofjustice. we saw a little bit of it today, but not in the way they think. no other... criminal defendant in an espionage act kate would get to walk out like he did today, no restrictions imposed, no bail, no surrendering of the passport, no ankle monitor, nothing. part of that is he's donald trump, he'll be campaigning for the presidency, got secret service trailing him everywhere, so some of that is covered anyway, no indication of a flight risk. but he got up... pretty light today from the government and from the magistratejudge. he can the government and from the magistrate judge. he can say just about whatever he wants tonight in bedminster. i'm sure his lawyers will really like him to not say anything of substance about the charges and about his conduct, but this is donald trump. donald trump is going to say whatever donald trump wants to say.- going to say whatever donald trump wants to say. brad, what about the _ trump wants to say. brad, what about the timeline. _ trump wants to say. brad, what

about the timeline. i'm - trump wants to say. brad, what about the timeline. i'm sure - about the timeline. i'm sure this is a question you're getting asked a lot tonight. we don't have a date yet for the next court appearance for the next court appearance for the next time that we'll see this actually show up in court in miami. so what do we know? irate miami. so what do we know? we don't miami. so what do we know? - don't know a whole lot yet. likely happen now is over the next few days or week or two we're going toe see a first hearing beforejudge cannon we're going toe see a first hearing before judge cannon who at least for the moment will be the one overseeing this criminal proceedings and ultimate trial. judge cannon as everyone remembers was the one who originally had the... months ago when trump tried to throw out or have a special master review of the documents found through the search warrant. she issued some rulings that various legal scholars questioned, including myself. she was overruled by the special appeals, and there was concern by some about whether or not she'll have her hands sort of on for mr trump

there'll be discussion about scheduling and discovery and how it's going to work for particularly classified... attempted a trial date. we're most likely looking. this is federal trial, we're looking some time next summer when a trial could theoretically transpire here depending on what delays we have in pre—trial motion. that would certainly be interesting, wejust that would certainly be interesting, we just want to ask you your thoughts on what we saw today in miami. you know, i would _ we saw today in miami. you know, i would say _ we saw today in miami. you know, i would say for - we saw today in miami. you know, i would say for what happened today, we know that there _ happened today, we know that there is— happened today, we know that there is this real situation in which — there is this real situation in which there are republicans who could _ which there are republicans who could leave former president from's — could leave former president from's side, but there is concern _ from's side, but there is concern about other the world views — concern about other the world views us — concern about other the world views us now, are we're going to he — views us now, are we're going to he a — views us now, are we're going to be a country in which really. _ to be a country in which really, there are going to be

political— really, there are going to be political witch—hunts, there political witch— hunts, there will he _ political witch—hunts, there will be tit—for—tat type of justice _ will be tit—for—tat type of justice. be a status to any moderate republican isn't worried _ moderate republican isn't worried tonight, we should see today— worried tonight, we should see today not— worried tonight, we should see today not of the dark day but as a — today not of the dark day but as a good _ today not of the dark day but as a good day in which we know that no— as a good day in which we know that no american is above the law _ that no american is above the law when _ that no american is above the law. when a former president is that, _ law. when a former president is that, a — law. when a former president is that, a former president, they are a — that, a former president, they are a private citizen and they are a private citizen and they are held _ are a private citizen and they are held to account, held to the same _ are held to account, held to the same laws that any private american _ the same laws that any private american citizen is held to, so in essence _ american citizen is held to, so in essence what transpired in miami — in essence what transpired in miami today shouldn't really move — miami today shouldn't really move the needle for anybody but what _ move the needle for anybody but what we — move the needle for anybody but what we see right now is that simply— what we see right now is that simply boost, and this sympathy boost _ simply boost, and this sympathy boost is — simply boost, and this sympathy boost is going to be a bit sustained, more so than the first— sustained, more so than the first arraignment and here we sit in — first arraignment and here we sit in a — first arraignment and here we sit in a unique time where frankly— sit in a unique time where frankly we don't know what's coming — frankly we don't know what's coming but we know that after the first — coming but we know that after the first arraignment there wasn't _ the first arraignment there wasn't much political violence if any— wasn't much political violence if any and _ wasn't much political violence if any and now i think in the aftermath and what we saw go down — aftermath and what we saw go down earlier today, there isn't going — down earlier today, there isn't going to — down earlier today, there isn't going to be anything like what we saw— going to be anything like what we saw onjanuary going to be anything like what we saw on january six, 2021 when — we saw on january six, 2021 when president trump, sitting in the — when president trump, sitting in the white house called his supporters to riot on the capital, _ supporters to riot on the capital, on those who didn't agree — capital, on those who didn't agree with him, sol

capital, on those who didn't agree with him, so i think today— agree with him, so i think today is— agree with him, so i think today is a _ agree with him, so i think today is a day on which we should _ today is a day on which we should celebrate that we are moving _ should celebrate that we are moving on is a country and this could _ moving on is a country and this could he — moving on is a country and this could he a _ moving on is a country and this could be a really unique moment in which — could be a really unique moment in which the republican party chooses _ in which the republican party chooses to move on from trump. but again. — chooses to move on from trump. but again. i— chooses to move on from trump. but again, i don't think we will— but again, i don't think we will see _ but again, i don't think we will see that in the short—term, it's going to take some — short—term, it's going to take some time and it has to be out this sometime and it has to be out this gop— some time and it has to be out this gop primary field of candidates.— candidates. definitely something _ candidates. definitely something we - candidates. definitely something we will. candidates. definitely something we will be | candidates. definitely - something we will be talking about but chuck i want to get your thoughts on what we saw today. i your thoughts on what we saw toda . ~ ., , ., your thoughts on what we saw toda . ,, ., , ., ., today. i think it was a great 'ob today. i think it was a great “0b of today. i think it was a great job of summing _ today. i think it was a great job of summing up - today. i think it was a great job of summing up the - today. i think it was a great i job of summing up the events today. i think it was a great - job of summing up the events of the day. the agendas here are clear. trump is going to try and rally gop opinion as a scapegoat and as a martyr figure for the country, the justice department's case is going to move on, everything we have seen, everything everybody has read shows that that case is fairly certain the outcome, and it's not going to look good for him over the long—term.

it's really in the judge's hands as to how that gets presented, the timeline, as our colleagues on the interview here have said is very critical. what the judge does in terms of omitting that to go forward, we are going to see political theatre here tonight at bed and stir, with him appealing to his donor base and people who are listening to him, i thought majorjarrod's comment about the republican party, the 76% of republicans also that are with him on this, well, normally when you run, you normally have about 85— 90% of that so that would show that there is a hole in that wall and of course because of political emma pratt you have to understand, —— political demographics, you have to get a majority of unaffiliated voters in arizona, where i live, it is about a third of the electorate is unaffiliated. he's lost that segment of the electorate in 18, 20 and 22,

segment of the electorate in 18,20 and 22, and this isn't going to help him. it doesn't help him recover that portion of the electorate, it makes them even less competitive. so while the base of the party coalesces, it isn't able to grow. so electorally it is a massive challenge beyond a republican primary. we will see what happens in iowa, in new hampshire, but this is good fundraising news for him because he's going to use it that way and he is going to create this sense of victimhood amongst his support base but i don't really see that being a long—term answer for him. don't really see that being a long—term answerfor him. he is in a very, very difficult and tight spot. in a very, very difficult and tight soot-— in a very, very difficult and tic-htsot. ~ ., , ., tight spot. we have seen that fundraising — tight spot. we have seen that fundraising drive _ tight spot. we have seen that fundraising drive starting - fundraising drive starting already of course, but maryann, your thoughts on, your biggest is from today? i your thoughts on, your biggest is from today?— is from today? i think today really encapsulated - is from today? i think today really encapsulated what i is from today? i think today| really encapsulated what we have — really encapsulated what we have seen from donald trump ever— have seen from donald trump ever since _ have seen from donald trump ever since it became clear that he was — ever since it became clear that he was going to be indicted. remember, it was donald trump from _ remember, it was donald trump from whom we learned that he

would — from whom we learned that he would he — from whom we learned that he would be indicted stopping he announced it, then he keeps posting _ announced it, then he keeps posting on his social media platform, trying to define the debate — platform, trying to define the debate over the weekend he went to two— debate over the weekend he went to two republican conventions, one in— to two republican conventions, one in georgia, one in north carolina. _ one in georgia, one in north carolina, making his case there _ carolina, making his case there. on the way to the courthouse this morning, he still— courthouse this morning, he still posting on social media, defining _ still posting on social media, defining what the stay was about _ defining what the stay was about in— defining what the stay was about in terms of the court case — about in terms of the court case he _ about in terms of the court case he faces, the cafe he went to afterwards in miami, very popular— to afterwards in miami, very popular with cubans, many of whom — popular with cubans, many of whom are _ popular with cubans, many of whom are conservative republican voters so that wasn't _ republican voters so that wasn't lost on anybody in that area _ wasn't lost on anybody in that area and _ wasn't lost on anybody in that area and possible jurors too that — area and possible jurors too that could be coming out of that — that could be coming out of that and _ that could be coming out of that and then tonight, this is the bookend to his indictment and his— the bookend to his indictment and his arraignment today where he is _ and his arraignment today where he is going to make the case again. — he is going to make the case again, likely making many of the same _ again, likely making many of the same pleas and themes we've heard _ the same pleas and themes we've heard over— the same pleas and themes we've heard over the weekend, that chuck— heard over the weekend, that chuck and major and others talked — chuck and major and others talked about, the martyrdom, that he — talked about, the martyrdom, that he is— talked about, the martyrdom, that he is being persecuted and all of— that he is being persecuted and all of that but most americans know— all of that but most americans know that when you are charged under— know that when you are charged under the — know that when you are charged under the espionage act, the fact is— under the espionage act, the fact is you are facing some of the most _ fact is you are facing some of the most serious charges any

american _ the most serious charges any american can, so he is in a tough— american can, so he is in a tough spot— american can, so he is in a tough spot but theyjust want tough spot but theyjust want to pick— tough spot but theyjust want to pick up on the polling piece of both— to pick up on the polling piece of both major and chuck mention, yes, 76% of republicans think that donald trump — republicans think that donald trump did no wrong and it didn't— trump did no wrong and it didn't affect their vote, that is correct. in that same cbs poll— is correct. in that same cbs poll 80%_ is correct. in that same cbs poll 80% of democrats and independents said donald trump should _ independents said donald trump should absolutely be charged, that these are serious crimes. so that— that these are serious crimes. so that tells you, while donald trump — so that tells you, while donald trump is — so that tells you, while donald trump is going to be the nominee and you can see it in that— nominee and you can see it in that note _ nominee and you can see it in that pole and he is going to continue _ that pole and he is going to continue to do that, you can see — continue to do that, you can see where _ continue to do that, you can see where he doesn't win the general— see where he doesn't win the general election for the very same — general election for the very same reason and i think that is what _ same reason and i think that is what everyone has to look at and — what everyone has to look at and my— what everyone has to look at and my last point is the entire republican field is running for president with donald trump as boxed — president with donald trump as boxed. he has them boxed. he has them — boxed. he has them boxed. he has them defending him and even if they— has them defending him and even if they wanted to criticise him. _ if they wanted to criticise him, when you look at where they— him, when you look at where they are _ him, when you look at where they are standing in the polls, they— they are standing in the polls, they don't have the standing with— they don't have the standing with voters to make any claim stick— with voters to make any claim stick against donald trump. true — stick against donald trump. true or— stick against donald trump. true or not. so you see the

dilemma — true or not. so you see the dilemma for everybody not named donald _ dilemma for everybody not named donald trump and while donald trump — donald trump and while donald trump certainly has serious legal— trump certainly has serious legal problems that he brought upon _ legal problems that he brought upon himself has political orchards have actually improved.— orchards have actually imroved. ~ ~' ., , improved. well, we know he is still on his _ improved. well, we know he is still on his way _ improved. well, we know he is still on his way to _ improved. well, we know he is still on his way to the - still on his way to the bedminster golf club to deliver that speech and we are going to go to parts of that speech when he begins but i would like to bring in helena now who has been following the events on the ground in miami for us all day and a lot has been made of the fact that this trail would take place in miami, in florida, rather, with a jury pole selected from florida residents with a troubled pointy overseeing the case, what are you hearing on the ground for how that might affect the case?— ground for how that might affect the case? , affect the case? the department ofjustice's _ affect the case? the department ofjustice's rationale _ affect the case? the department ofjustice's rationale for - affect the case? the department ofjustice's rationale for this - ofjustice's rationale for this is that they wanted the court proceedings to take place in where the alleged crimes happened at the mar—a—lago estate where those trove of allegedly classified documents

were found, they said that in that way that it made sense but as you say, this case unfolding in florida, a red state, trump's home state and as we just mentioned many supporters coming out today to rally behind the former president, questions being asked as to whether that essentially could lead to a more favourable outcome for donald trump. the reason why is because if you were to pick from a durable, there are questions as to whether these people would have been more likely to be sympathetic to donald trump. it probably depends on which county and how they voted, but in terms of the judge, eileen cannon, as some of your guests had pointed out, some eyebrows were raised about the fact that she was, she is a trump appointee in terms of a judge. it is important to state that in terms of her selection in this particular case, it was at random, there have been questions as to whether she

would recuse herself, that hasn't happened yet but she will have, i think it is fair to say, significant sway in this case because essentially what her role will be in presiding over this case is dictating the pace at which then goes forward and we know that donald trump will likely, based on previous legal cases, make an effort to play for time here, believing it to be more politically advantageous to come closer and closer and closer to the 2024 election, also cognizant of the fact that the department ofjustice does not have a policy of indicting a sitting president, so that is one of the questions raised with eileen cannon on the fact that she has previously ruled favourably where that was overturned in the document cases, she also has some sway in terms of what kind of evidence is allowed to be included and in terms of the defence going forward, they may seek to question some of that

evidence, for example the fbi search warrant from mar—a—lago, they may try to pick holes in that, essentially in a bid to throw out some of those stunning images that we saw of boxes of alleged classified documents and then again, eileen cannon also potentially, you know, having a role over the jura selection you know, having a role over thejura selection as well, so lots of westerns over that. that's right, just as you have been speaking, we're looking at some here of the trump motorcade going down the highway there toward the golf club. he is expected to speak in about 20 minutes time so we will see how quick the he gets to the golf club there but that is the motorcade we are seeing in newjersey at the moment and brad, ijust want in newjersey at the moment and brad, i just want to in newjersey at the moment and brad, ijust want to bring you backin brad, ijust want to bring you back in here because we just heard helena speaking about questions that have been asked about how the fact that this case is going to take place in florida, how that might affect legal proceedings, what is your perspective on that? i legal proceedings, what is your perspective on that?— perspective on that? i have somewhat _ perspective on that? i have somewhat a _ perspective on that? i have i somewhat a nonconventional

view, _ somewhat a nonconventional view, i— somewhat a nonconventional view, i don't necessarily think it view, idon't necessarily think it is— view, i don't necessarily think it is a — view, i don't necessarily think it is a horrible thing not be part— it is a horrible thing not be part of— it is a horrible thing not be part of the reason the special counsel brought the case there was because it was the most likely— was because it was the most likely place where a venue would _ likely place where a venue would be appropriate. if it had been — would be appropriate. if it had been brought in washington, dc which _ been brought in washington, dc which is — been brought in washington, dc which is where the original grand _ which is where the original grand jury had started off, there _ grand jury had started off, there would have been a pre—trial legal fight over venue _ pre—trial legal fight over venue stopping the documents were _ venue stopping the documents were stored in borrowed, the obstructive act took place in florida. _ obstructive act took place in florida, everything to place in florida — florida, everything to place in florida. so you bring the case in florida _ florida. so you bring the case in florida. it is a grand jury of south _ in florida. it is a grand jury of south floridians, there has already— of south floridians, there has already been one jury out of south — already been one jury out of south florida that has indicted him, _ south florida that has indicted him, there is no reason to believe _ him, there is no reason to believe another pool of american citizens in south florida _ american citizens in south florida won't ultimately convicted him if the government is able _ convicted him if the government is able to— convicted him if the government is able to bring its entire case _ is able to bring its entire case and _ is able to bring its entire case and if it's able to stave off the _ case and if it's able to stave off the pre—trial motion lights that they are expecting but this is— that they are expecting but this is the jury process, this is what _ this is the jury process, this is what we deal with, all americans have and this is how it is supposed to work. it is going — it is supposed to work. it is going to _ it is supposed to work. it is going to be a pool of american

citizens— going to be a pool of american citizens in— going to be a pool of american citizens in south florida and either— citizens in south florida and either they will move to convict _ either they will move to convict or they won't. gk either they will move to convict or they won't. 0k brad and they also _ convict or they won't. 0k brad and they also want _ convict or they won't. 0k brad and they also want to - convict or they won't. 0k brad and they also want to ask- convict or they won't. 0k brad and they also want to ask you | and they also want to ask you about what charges are included in this indictment. we have a graphic i think of this that we are going to pull up now so we can go through these charges with you. so under the espionage act, trump faces 31 counts of wilful retention of national defence information, so that means that the ex—president is facing a maximum term of imprisonment for ten years, we are looking at the sarah. four other of those counts are related to conspiracy and withholding or concealing documents, those carry a 20 year maximum sentence each. also the final two counts charge the former president with scheming to conceal and making false statements and representations thatis statements and representations that is carry sentences of five years each, so looking at these, if donald trump were to be convicted here, would he actually go to jail? he actually go to “ail? he absolutely _ actually go to jail? he absolutely could - actually go to jail? he: absolutely could face jail time, the question would obviously be how much so (audio

gap), put them all together it sounds like it could be 100 years, the rest of his natural life, that is not going to happen. it is likely, given the political factors that the actual sentence would be something lesser, it would have something lesser, it would have something more along the lines of 7-15 something more along the lines of 7—15 years. still a lot for a guy who is already in his 70s and it's not gonna be the 120 years that they have been talking about as theoretically possible, that is why we have sentencing guidelines, that is why there is a presentencing report, the defence would have the option to make arguments in litigation. we will get to that point if there is a conviction and if he is sentenced to prison, there will have a whole other discussion as to where he goes. other discussion as to where he noes. , ., ., .., .,

goes. 0k, they want to come to ou goes. 0k, they want to come to you again — goes. ok, they want to come to you again now— goes. 0k, they want to come to you again now because - goes. 0k, they want to come to you again now because we - goes. 0k, they want to come to you again now because we had i you again now because we had both chuck and maryann talking about the political strategy here, notjust of the legal strategy but the political strategy, we heard donald trump stopping at that cafe right after the arraignment happened in miami, we heard that also has used this opportunity to raise more money and that is what this speech is also raise more money and that is what this speech is also expected to be so what do you expected to be so what do you make of this strategy that he make of this strategy that he and his team have taken? the and his team have taken? the core of the — and his team have taken? tie: core of the strategy is core of the — and his team have taken? tie: core of the strategy victimhood and that is quite and his team have taken? ti9 core of the strategy is victimhood and that is quite unusualfor victimhood and that is quite unusual for any republican unusualfor victimhood and that is quite unusual for any republican because the republican party in because the republican party in the modern era has always the modern era has always pushed back on the narrative pushed back on the narrative and said that we are not, we are blessed. this is something and said that we are not, we are blessed. this is something that as capitol hill stuffers that as capitol hill stuffers we would talk about all the we would talk about all the time is how do we move for this that as capitol hill stuffers we would talk . we it all the that as capitol hill stuffers we would talk . we move he narrative that as americans we that as capitol hill stuffers we would talk . we move for this time is how do we move for this narrative that as americans we enjoy these freedoms stopping here you have the for the have the for the republican party saying i am the victim of the establishment in washington. we had in 2016 in washington. we had in 2016 when he came out he talked he came about a deep state and all

those insiders in washington, dc against him so that, i think he will continue that what we will hear now is this publication of this narrative that says that everybody does former presidents presidents do this, former president classify materials, he will use a strategy that is meant to, intended to, confuse at times but also at times to bring people and as if to teach them something new, that this is something new, that this is something that perhaps even obama did, and also there will be parallels drawn. because let's not forget, there is a special counsel at the department ofjustice that is investigating biden for these very same things and has not yet come to any conclusion. also former vice president mike pence was also found to have classified documents in his possession, his team alerted law enforcement and he been cleared stopping my sense is that former vice president pence has been waiting to announce his candidacy in the gop primary until he was cleared. but the sense here is that trump will continue on with telling his supporters and

his would—be supporters that there is nothing and that is