again, the former president here at the bedminster golf club, the trump golf club of course in newjerseyjust course in new jersey just having course in newjerseyjust having arrived after an historic arraignment in miami earlier in the day. there are so many people on hand, it is remarkable to see. we mentioned a little bit earlier that several guest were invited, name cards were placed on the chairs as well and this is very much being seen as a campaign event for the former president and this does seem to be some thing inaudible this is what trump lives for, his rallies were notjust a cornerstone of his campaign, when we look at 2016 but even in 2020 when he lost, that is what is known for, coming out and speaking extemporaneously

and speaking extemporaneously and being beloved for it. because we're talking about the shrinking universe of supporters for trump but there are people who are turned on by this and many americans, even on the other side of the aisle can see that this is a superpower that the former president does have, this ability to go out there and give this image of strength and also conveying a certain type of confidence that doesn't need to come from a teleprompter. and that doesn't resonate with me and many young voters who delivered the white house for joe biden, jens e for example, really support democrats so what is the content of what is he going to deliver tonight? i think that is going to be huge because never, notjust in modern history, never in american history have we seen this, notjust one arraignment, a second arraignment, this is historic, this really lives many people wondering about the future and donald trump is writing that tonight.- writing that tonight. thank ou, writing that tonight. thank you. thank— writing that tonight. thank you, thank you, _ writing that tonight. thank you, thank you, thank - writing that tonight. thank|

you, thank you, thank you. crowd: usa! usa!- you, thank you, thank you. crowd: usa! usa! well, thank ou crowd: usa! usa! well, thank you very much. _ crowd: usa! usa! well, thank you very much, it's _ crowd: usa! usa! well, thank you very much, it's a _ crowd: usa! usa! well, thank you very much, it's a great - you very much, it's a great honour to have you here and today we witnessed the most evil and heinous abuse of power in the history of our country, very sad thing to watch, a corrupt sitting president had his top political opponent arrested on fake and fabricated charges of which he and numerous other presidents would guilty. right in the middle of a presidential election in which he is losing very badly. this is called election interference and yet another attempt to rig and steal a presidential election. more importantly, it is a political persecution like something straight out of a fascist or communist nation. this date will go down in and for me and joe biden will forever be

remembered as not only the most corrupt president in the history of our country but perhaps even more importantly, the president who, together with a band of his closest thugs, misfits and marxists tried to destroy american democracy. but they will fail and we will win bigger and better than ever before. (crowd cheers) charging _ better than ever before. (crowd cheers) charging a _ better than ever before. (crowd cheers) charging a former - cheers) charging a former president _ cheers) charging a former president of _ cheers) charging a former president of the _ cheers) charging a former president of the united - cheers) charging a former i president of the united states under the espionage act of 1917 wasn't meant for this. and act for a crime so heinous that only the death penalty would do and threatening me with 400 years in prison for possessing my own residential papers which, just about every other president has done, is one of the most outrageous and vicious legal theories ever put forward in an american court of law.

the espionage act has been used to go after traitors and spies, it has nothing to do with a former president legally keeping his own documents. as president, the law that applies to this case is not the espionage act but very simply, the presidential records act which is not even mentioned in this ridiculous 44 page indictment. underthe indictment. under the presidential records indictment. underthe presidential records act which is civil, not criminal, i had every right to have these documents. the crucial legal precedent is laid out in the most important case ever on the subject known as the clinton socks case. you know what that means? after leaving the white house, bill clinton kept 79 audiotapes in his sock drawer. they included discussions of us

military, involvement in haiti, discussions of us foreign policy, both defence and fence, against cuba. all right, we havejust been listening against cuba. all right, we have just been listening to a little of the former president speaking there in bedminster newjersey. hejust speaking there in bedminster newjersey. he just arrived there after having been arraigned in miami a bit earlier in the day and they want to come right back to our panel to talk about what we heard from the former president there, starting with brad, because brad, we heard the former president make a few arguments, he said i had every right to have these documents, he talked about the espionage act, how ludicrous it would be for him to be charged under this act, also the presidential records act, a lot in there, can you help us understand this? ,, , ., this? sure. so here is what happens — this? sure. so here is what happens with _ this? sure. so here is what happens with donald - this? sure. so here is what. happens with donald trump. this? sure. so here is what - happens with donald trump. he gets a small little piece of truthful information, he takes it to the extreme. doesn't understand how the law actually works. he is not being charged with espionage, he has simply

being charged under the espionage act which encompasses any number of felony provisions regarding the mishandling and wilful retention of national defence information. independent of the idea of selling it or giving it to a foreign government, has nothing to do with that. his provision, the charge he has got is for wilful retention of national defence information and failing to return it when requested. that is what occurred here. he had the documents, he knew he had the documents, he knew he had the documents, he knew they were still classified in the qualified as national defence information, he was asked for them back, he did not give them back and then as we heard, he obstructed the efforts by national archives and the justice department to recover them. the presidential records act has nothing to do with that. they have concoct a legal fantasy out of a ruling from 11 years ago to make them think the presidential records act did some special, it does not

do what he thinks it does. hand do what he thinks it does. and brad, do what he thinks it does. and brad. one _ do what he thinks it does. and brad, one more _ do what he thinks it does. and brad, one more question on this, something we have heard from the former president and his team time and again in the lead up to today is that he had the right to declassify document, and to take them with him. what do you say to that argument?— him. what do you say to that argument? so, sure. up until the moment— argument? so, sure. up until the moment joe _ argument? so, sure. up until the moment joe biden - argument? so, sure. up untill the moment joe biden became the momentjoe biden became president, noon onjanuary 20, 2021, donald trump was the president, he had the discretion to declassify anything he wanted. there is no indication he ever declassify these documents. the classification markings are still on them and what's more, (audio gap) hinges on these documents are still being classified. the espionage act predates the modern classification regime. it doesn't refer to classified information, it refers to national defence information,

it is a broader term than classification. same with the obstruction. (audio gap) with classification markings, those markings are still there so whether he declassified them or not, if he went through formal processes or not, it's only going to be immaterial to the question of whether he violated these criminal statute. we heard again _ these criminal statute. we heard again the _ these criminal statute. we heard again the president very defiant there as he was all day long, but the indictment does lay out pretty clearly what the charges are and some of the evidence we werejust charges are and some of the evidence we were just looking at pictures of those boxes, those pictures were of course included in the indictment. there will be people who listen to donald trump tonight or who don't _ to donald trump tonight or who don't and — to donald trump tonight or who don't and who read the news and will say— don't and who read the news and will say this is all much ado about— will say this is all much ado about nothing, or they will be people — about nothing, or they will be people who will be drawn in further, _ people who will be drawn in further, and they will look at this and _ further, and they will look at this and read this and say wowi, _ this and read this and say wow!, there is something here, and that— wow!, there is something here, and that the doj and of course anybody — and that the doj and of course anybody who has been involved in this— anybody who has been involved in this case was right to sort

of slow_ in this case was right to sort of slow walk it, but here we set in — of slow walk it, but here we set in the _ of slow walk it, but here we set in the most unbelievable day in — set in the most unbelievable day in which i think no matter which — day in which i think no matter which way— day in which i think no matter which way donald trump spins it tonight, — which way donald trump spins it tonight, no matter what he says tonight, — tonight, no matter what he says tonight, it — tonight, no matter what he says tonight, it is a tough day the democrats and i say that number one because you got the white house — one because you got the white house telling tonight some really— house telling tonight some really bombastic news, president biden saying inflation has fallen for 11 months and is the lowest in over— months and is the lowest in over two— months and is the lowest in over two years, continued progress _ over two years, continued progress bringing down costs for middle—class families. he is also — for middle—class families. he is also sang wages are up over the past — is also sang wages are up over the past year after accounting for inflation, his optimistic about— for inflation, his optimistic about the best as being ahead, that is— about the best as being ahead, that is whatjoe biden is trying _ that is whatjoe biden is trying to send out by the world of herring _ trying to send out by the world of herring donald trump. also what — of herring donald trump. also what is — of herring donald trump. also what is going to happen on capitol— what is going to happen on capitol hill after tonight? you are going to have republicans take _ are going to have republicans take what trump says tonight and port _ take what trump says tonight and port that is around they are going to say the judiciary and they— are going to say the judiciary and they have been saying this for weeks, they will be saying how _ for weeks, they will be saying how the — for weeks, they will be saying how the judiciary has been weaponised, that is dangerous, they— weaponised, that is dangerous, they will— weaponised, that is dangerous, they will be seeking revenge and there will be tit—for—tat now— and there will be tit—for—tat now moving forward. so i think

in essence, _ now moving forward. so i think in essence, all around a really bad day— in essence, all around a really bad day for democrats because they are — bad day for democrats because they are going to have so much to push— they are going to have so much to push back on, despite things looking — to push back on, despite things looking favourable for democrats in the year ahead. kerri—anne ijust want to get kerri—anne i just want to get your take on this as well, what this will mean for democrats on the health. we have already seen republican senatorj.d. seen republican senatorj. d. barnes seen republican senatorj.d. barnes say he is going to hold up barnes say he is going to hold up any nominations for the doj as revenge essentially for this indictment of the former president top yellow i want to make two points first. everything that came out of donald trump's mouth tonight that we covered, except for the year that the espionage act was established, was a lie. that is just a fact. established, was a lie. that is just a fact-— just a fact. there is not one word that — just a fact. there is not one word that came _ just a fact. there is not one word that came out - just a fact. there is not one word that came out of- just a fact. there is not one word that came out of his l just a fact. there is not one - word that came out of his mouth that was true. as for the republicans in the house, they can't even put their caucus together to have basic boats. so i'd feel very confident about the democrats, joe biden in the white house, chuck schumer and the democrats in the senate and certainly the house democrats who vote

together on everything, kevin mccarthy can't keep his caucus together. i mean, i don't understand how the democrats' problems, the democrats have two of the three branches of government and are only four seats short in the house and kevin mccarthy cannot get anything done because of the members of the republican caucus, so i think are like the democrats' odds in all of this, i'd like the fact that there is good economic news and even more things to talk about between now and the election, but i think whatever one should really focus on tonight is that donald trump is a desperate man, who will do anything to save himself, and that puts our democracy at risk, and i will add one last point here, i do think it is important to remember that documents that donald trump had. nuclear assets for countries around the world. a military plan written by a us general to invade iran. military assets and

vulnerabilities of countries around the world including the united states. those are all very sensitive, dangerous weapons, documents rather. and you have to ask, what did donald trump do with them? who did he share them with and did he sell them to anybody? this is a national security matter and not a matterjust for politics, but i think everyone needs to be very aware of the lengths and depths donald trump will go to to save himself and get back in the white house and this will make 2015 and 2020 look like a walk in the park. why do you think, chuck, so many republicans have chosen not to speak about the fact that these were national security documents, they focused more on the weaponisation of the doj here instead? ~ , ., �* ., instead? well, they don't want to offend that _ instead? well, they don't want to offend that core _ instead? well, they don't want to offend that core base - instead? well, they don't want to offend that core base that l to offend that core base that marianne talks about, that core base of the republican party that has bought into this narrative, and that is a big problem. but i can say this. it

is deja vu all over again here in arizona. we had a gubernatorial candidate run out here on an election denial ticket, completely the same narrative that trump is running on right now, against a former secretary of state who essentially ran a campaign from the basement, and didn't really appear, didn't run an aggressive campaign, and she won, and if the republicans choose to nominate this guy again it is going to be the same repeat, it will be a repeat of what has happened here in arizona, that the general public, a majority of american voters are not buying this, as we both talked about tonight. and his writing this for his own personal interest to try and get back so he can exonerate himself politically and legally as the president of the united states. it is not going to happen. and it isjust an amazing, merit coincidence

to what our gubernatorial election out here was last time. he is carrie lake, carrie lake is him. president biden as president biden, governor hobbs as governor hobbs. is going to run that exact same thing. ok. run that exact same thing. 0k. chuck, run that exact same thing. 0k. chuck. l'm _ run that exact same thing. 0k. chuck, i'm going _ run that exact same thing. 0k. chuck, i'm going to _ run that exact same thing. 0k. chuck, i'm going tojump in there. that's an interesting point, arizona's role here but i'm just going tojump in for all of our viewers who are joining us at the top of the hour. if you'rejust joining us at the top of the hour. if you're just tuning in, wejust heard the hour. if you're just tuning in, we just heard the former president, donald trump, just speak live in bedminsterjust speak live in bedminster just hours speak live in bedminsterjust hours after pleading not guilty to 37 counts of criminal charges earlier in the day. his first major public remarks after an historic day, trump called the investigation "rigged", saying the criminal judge charges were fake and fabricated. he said he had every right to have those documents. i'm sumi somaskanda in washington. now, trump is now the first former president ever to face federal charges. as we mentioned he's accused of keeping classified documents

after he left the white house.