africa, did not originally from west africa, did not have a criminal record and has been in the uk for many years. they said he was not a british citizen but was a resident in the uk. we've also had a resident in the uk. we've also had a statement from nottingham's vice chancellor saying all of us at nottingham are deeply shocked and saddened by the death of two of her students following a major incident in nottingham city centre. city officials described nottingham as being in a state of shock and mourning. two teenagers killed with no real understanding as to why. barnaby, a keen sportsman, and grace, a talented hockey player, were both students at the university of nottingham. they died in the attack along with a third man in his 50s. the city mourns together, unable to comprehend what has happened. unable to comprehend what has ha ened. ., ,

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ill in hospital while two others are believed to have suffered minor injuries. few details have been released about the suspect other than that he was a male west african migrant with a history of mental health issues. please working with counterterror specialists have an open mind about a motive. i am counterterror specialists have an open mind about a motive. i am in reuular open mind about a motive. i am in regular contact _ open mind about a motive. i am in regular contact with _ open mind about a motive. i am in regular contact with the _ open mind about a motive. i am in regular contact with the chief - regular contact with the chief constable of nottinghamshire police, but i want to take this opportunity to urge anybody who has any information about this incident to come forward and reported to the police. come forward and reported to the olice. , , ., . , come forward and reported to the olice. , ,. . , come forward and reported to the olice. ,_, , police. this is a city whose people are characteristically _ police. this is a city whose people are characteristically stoic, - police. this is a city whose people are characteristically stoic, but. police. this is a city whose people are characteristically stoic, but it. are characteristically stoic, but it has been truly shocking and a difficult time for all those now wanting answers. it was just about four o'clock in the morning yesterday when the first report started to come through of something happening in nottingham city centre

and i mentioned that since the file has been put through police have confirmed the man they have in custody is originally from west africa, did not have a criminal record, had been in the uk for many years but was not a british citizen, was resident in the uk and had settled status. in other words, he had permission to stay for several years. that's coming to us from nottingham police via our home affairs correspondent. the leader of nottingham city council spoke to the bbc earlier on and said councillors are working with police to keep the city safe. it's a terrible day for nottingham. three people lost their lives, others in hospital recovering in the city is in shock and mourning this morning, but the spirit of nottingham will shine through this, it showed light at the star as people ran to help those who had been driven into as they were

waiting for a bus first thing in the morning. it was shown in the people who came here last night to st peter's church in their hundreds, students, older people, wanting just to stop and reflect on what had been an awful day for our city. but also the determination that fear will not conquer here. yes, we've had a terrible incident, but we remain a city that strives to be safe, celebrates diversity and will come together in the coming days to support those who have lost loved ones and those who have been... i first came to the city as a student 40 first came to the city as a student a0 years ago, it's a place where our universities play a very important role in our life, notjust for learning before the economy as well. and i'm sure will be huge shock,

it's the end of term for students, they were due to have a graduation ball last night that was cancelled, and as i say, they will have a vigil at the university later on today. for parents, at a distance, i could imagine this is about time of anxiety. i can say is the leaders of council work together with the police to keep the city as safe as we possibly can. we have also added statement from the family of barnaby webber in which they talk about the complete devastation at what they describe as the senseless murder of their son. they call him a beautiful, brilliant and bright young man with everything in life to look forward at 19 years old, he was one of the students who died in yesterday's attack in nottingham. his parents david and emma and their younger brother charlie said barnaby, who attended university of nottingham, was at the start of his journey into adult hood

and was developing into a wonderful young man. we've also had a statement from the university of nottingham, two of the victims were university students, nottingham is a very student heavy city, the vice chancellor said all of us at nottingham are deeply shocked and saddened by the deaths of two of her students following a major incident in nottingham city centre. the university community willjoin an offering our deepest condolences to the family and close friends as well as other victims of the incidents. that's very much with them at this incredibly difficult time. and says the university supporting students who have been affected by what happened. we can listen now to the account of a witness who on tuesday spoke to the bbc and told us what he saw. i woke iwoke up i woke up at half five and heard shouting outside, usually i hear a lot of stuff like that so i chose to look out the window to see what was going on, that academic can be anything really so i chose to look outside and i see a police van, a police car even and a police officer

walking alongside the car as it was slowly approaching a white van that had just been parked on the road. and then i heard the policeman shout to the guy in the van, get out the car! and then proceeded by the sound of a gunshot, which at that point i chose to remove myself from the situation and go back to bed. obviously my line of vision got cut off as they started going towards the van but from that point onwards i cannot give you much other than what is known that that is what i have seen. what is known that that is what i have seen-— what is known that that is what i have seen. ., . . ., ., ., ., have seen. the account of one of the witnesses as — have seen. the account of one of the witnesses as to _ have seen. the account of one of the witnesses as to what _ have seen. the account of one of the witnesses as to what happened - have seen. the account of one of the witnesses as to what happened in - witnesses as to what happened in nottingham yesterday. the incident took place at various sites across the city, involve several people being stabbed and then the van apparently being stolen from one of the victims and driven for the people, injuring them, one of them is in a critical condition in hospital, large parts of the city were locked down yesterday, roads were locked down yesterday, roads were closed, counterterrorism police have been involved in the operation, the placing operation which is now ongoing, 31—year—old man is in

custody hearing. we had a little of the home secretary's statement about the home secretary's statement about the incident yesterday and we can now hear more about what she had to say. i want to see how shocked and saddened i am that three people have lost their lives earlier today nottingham and that further individuals have been injured in this tragic incident. my thoughts, first and foremost, with all of those who have been involved, their friends, theirfamilies those who have been involved, their friends, their families and their communities. i want to thank the emergency services for their rapid response, they are working around the clock to keep people safe and we are incredibly grateful for all of their efforts. the police are at an early stage of their investigation right now, they've got to carry out a lot of work to determine the precise motive behind this incident.

i'm in regular contact with the chief of nottinghamshire police and i want to take the opportunity to urge anybody who has any information about this incident to come forward and reported to the police. nottinghamshire police have said they were working alongside counterterrorism police on this. is there anything at this stage to suggest that this could be a terror —related incident? irate suggest that this could be a terror -related incident?— suggest that this could be a terror -related incident? we are in a very early stage — -related incident? we are in a very early stage of— -related incident? we are in a very early stage of the _ -related incident? we are in a very early stage of the investigation, i -related incident? we are in a very| early stage of the investigation, we need to allow the police the time and the space to carry out all of their operational activity to determine the motive, it is right that nottinghamshire police are working with counterterrorism police, but it is fair to say that everybody, professionals on the family and are keeping an open mind as to what the precise motive might have been. to as to what the precise motive might have been. ., . ,, ., as to what the precise motive might have been. ., . ~' ., ., have been. to the police know who the are have been. to the police know who they are dealing — have been. to the police know who they are dealing with _ have been. to the police know who they are dealing with in _ have been. to the police know who they are dealing with in terms - have been. to the police know who they are dealing with in terms of i they are dealing with in terms of they are dealing with in terms of the suspect? do they know who they have in custody and do they know who

the victims are and whether there is any link between them?— any link between them? there are some things _ any link between them? there are some things we — any link between them? there are some things we do _ any link between them? there are some things we do know, - any link between them? there are some things we do know, right - any link between them? there are l some things we do know, right now any link between them? there are - some things we do know, right now we have a say that sadly, tragically three people have been killed. we know that a knife has been used in some of those killings and a suspect has been arrested on suspicion of murder by nottinghamshire police. since that interview we have had more details this morning from nottinghamshire police. if you have justjoined us, they have confirmed that the suspect having custody is originally from west africa, did not have a criminal record, had been in the uk for many years but was not a british citizen, was a resident and had settled status, meaning he had permission to stay for several years. we've not heard any more information from the piece of evidence they may have gathered from the scene, any charges they may put this person or any details around a motive. we can cross now live to nottingham and a corresponding

there. good morning. just tell us, if you can, where are you and what is the mood in nottingham just now? just tell us where you are and what the mood is this morning? melt. just tell us where you are and what the mood is this morning? well, i'm 'ust the mood is this morning? well, i'm just outside — the mood is this morning? well, i'm just outside the _ the mood is this morning? well, i'm just outside the saint _ the mood is this morning? well, i'm just outside the saint peters - the mood is this morning? well, i'm just outside the saint peters church | just outside the saint peters church in the centre of nottingham, this is where there was a vigil last night and we are seeing people coming here to the church throughout the morning here to pay their respects. obviously it has just been a day since those three incidents happened here in nottingham city centre. much of the centre of the town that was cordoned off yesterday has now opened up, but the police investigation still continues, particularly focused on ilkeston road, which is where that first incident took place just after four

incident took place just after four in the morning, and as we've been saying this morning, we note to students, to 19—year—olds grace kumar and barnaby webber were killed in that first incident and as we've also been broadcasting, we had a statement of course from barnaby webber�*s family. i'mjoined statement of course from barnaby webber�*s family. i'm joined by our midlands corresponding. you are down ilkeston road yesterday, what is the latest we know in terms of the police investigation? lode latest we know in terms of the police investigation?— latest we know in terms of the police investigation? we have not received any _ police investigation? we have not received any updates _ police investigation? we have not received any updates since - police investigation? we have not. received any updates since yesterday evening _ received any updates since yesterday evening. the last we heard from place _ evening. the last we heard from place was — evening. the last we heard from place was that they were keeping an open mind _ place was that they were keeping an open mind as to the motive behind what _ open mind as to the motive behind what happened. as you know, the details _ what happened. as you know, the details about what happened yesterday unfolded rather slowly, we were initially told there was an ongoing — were initially told there was an ongoing series incident in the early morning _ ongoing series incident in the early morning, there was a great deal of police _ morning, there was a great deal of police presence here, emergency vehicles, — police presence here, emergency vehicles, initially in the centre of the city— vehicles, initially in the centre of the city there are around a dozen different— the city there are around a dozen different emergency vehicles, police, — different emergency vehicles, police, ambulance and fire engines as well, _ police, ambulance and fire engines as well, and throughout the course of the _ as well, and throughout the course of the day—

as well, and throughout the course of the day we learn more and more details. _ of the day we learn more and more details, eventually we learned of the fact — details, eventually we learned of the fact two students had died, 19 years— the fact two students had died, 19 years old. — the fact two students had died, 19 years old, both from university of nottingham, by the moment as far as we understand, 31—year—old man who was arrested — we understand, 31—year—old man who was arrested on suspicion of murder of three _ was arrested on suspicion of murder of three people remains in custody and is _ of three people remains in custody and is still— of three people remains in custody and is still being questioned. we are hoping to hear more from place later today — are hoping to hear more from place later today and we are also hoping they will— later today and we are also hoping they will officially confirm the names — they will officially confirm the names we understand our out there of barnahy— names we understand our out there of barnaby webber and grace kumar. you barnaby webber and grace kumar. mentioned it barnaby webber and grace kumar. gm. mentioned it to students, we were told yesterday that the grad ball at nottingham university was cancelled, it's been a day of mourning, particularly for the student community, something like 80,000 in the city. community, something like 80,000 in the ci . ~ , , community, something like 80,000 in theci , ,, the city. absolutely, this is renowned _ the city. absolutely, this is renowned as _ the city. absolutely, this is renowned as a _ the city. absolutely, this is renowned as a student - the city. absolutely, this is - renowned as a student friendly city, two big _ renowned as a student friendly city, two big universities here, nottingham trent university, university of nottingham, and what we understand comedy two students on their way— we understand comedy two students on their way back from a nightclub in their way back from a nightclub in

the city— their way back from a nightclub in the city centre on their way home and it— the city centre on their way home and it was— the city centre on their way home and it was on their way home that sadly— and it was on their way home that sadly they— and it was on their way home that sadly they lost their lives and the student— sadly they lost their lives and the student community around you, the university— student community around you, the university of nottingham appeared to have all— university of nottingham appeared to have all rallied round, i was feeling _ have all rallied round, i was feeling from from students earlier today— feeling from from students earlier today talking about how fragile, how melancholic the murders. this is sopposed — melancholic the murders. this is supposed to be a time of celebration, when at the end of the term, _ celebration, when at the end of the term, at— celebration, when at the end of the term, at the end of the university year to— term, at the end of the university year to celebrate the hard work you've — year to celebrate the hard work you've done, you celebrate with your friends, _ you've done, you celebrate with your friends, that— you've done, you celebrate with your friends, that appears to be what these _ friends, that appears to be what these two — friends, that appears to be what these two university students were doing _ these two university students were doing before sadly their lives came to an _ doing before sadly their lives came to an end _ doing before sadly their lives came to an end yesterday. we doing before sadly their lives came to an end yesterday.— doing before sadly their lives came to an end yesterday. we 'ust heard the bells here i to an end yesterday. we 'ust heard the bells here at h to an end yesterday. we 'ust heard the bells here at st _ to an end yesterday. we just heard the bells here at st peter's - to an end yesterday. we just heard j the bells here at st peter's church, there was the vigil last night, tells more about that. it there was the vigil last night, tells more about that.- tells more about that. it was incredibly — tells more about that. it was incredibly moving, _ tells more about that. it was incredibly moving, we - tells more about that. it was incredibly moving, we are i tells more about that. it was i incredibly moving, we are from tells more about that. it was - incredibly moving, we are from the bishop _ incredibly moving, we are from the bishop of— incredibly moving, we are from the bishop of nottingham, students also spol

another— by what had happened. there will be another ritual happening later this afternoon — another ritual happening later this afternoon on the university of nottingham grounds to pay tributes in respects to those two students who have — in respects to those two students who have died. we must also mention there _ who have died. we must also mention there is— who have died. we must also mention there is a _ who have died. we must also mention there is a third victim here, a man who has— there is a third victim here, a man who has died _ there is a third victim here, a man who has died in his 505, and that was inan— who has died in his 505, and that was in an area just north of the city centre _ was in an area just north of the city centre in a leafy suburban area of nottingham. and our thoughts on the thoughts of everyone in the city will be _ the thoughts of everyone in the city will be with the families and loved ones of— will be with the families and loved ones of those three victims. thank ou for ones of those three victims. thank you forioining _ ones of those three victims. thank you forjoining us. _ ones of those three victims. thank you forjoining us. just _ ones of those three victims. thank you forjoining us. just to - ones of those three victims. thank you forjoining us. just to remind l you forjoining us. just to remind people, the sequence of events as we know from the police, they say that just after four in the morning yesterday, the first incident took place and police say they found the bodies of two young people and, of course, as we can sing this morning, we now know those two victims to be 19 euros students grace kumar and barnaby webber. they then talked of another incident where a man was

found dead, a man in his 50sjet to be identified. and there was another incident on milton road not too far from where i am now where police say a van tried to run three people over. those three people were taken to hospital, one of them is in hospital in critical condition, the two others suffered minor injuries, so they the sequence of events and what we saw throughout the day yesterday was a massive police operation, which will be shut down many parts of this usually thriving city centre in nottingham. please say that they remain open—minded about what the motive might be as their investigations continue. i'm joined by my other colleaguejoe black now. thank you forjoining us. we now have another few details

about who police say the suspect is. yes, obviously details will be coming — yes, obviously details will be coming to morning and what we know so far— coming to morning and what we know so far from _ coming to morning and what we know so far from official sources is that the suspect was originally from west africa, _ the suspect was originally from west africa, did _ the suspect was originally from west africa, did not have a criminal record. — africa, did not have a criminal record. had _ africa, did not have a criminal record, had been in the uk for many years. _ record, had been in the uk for many years. was— record, had been in the uk for many years, was not a british citizen, was _ years, was not a british citizen, was resident in the uk and had settled — was resident in the uk and had settled status so that basically means — settled status so that basically means you have permission to stay for a _ means you have permission to stay for a few— means you have permission to stay for a few years. you means you have permission to stay for a few years-— means you have permission to stay for a few years. you have also been coverin: for a few years. you have also been covering the — for a few years. you have also been covering the story _ for a few years. you have also been covering the story extensively, - for a few years. you have also been covering the story extensively, i - covering the story extensively, i can feel the mood is very sombre here today, which is understandable. going to have a vigil again later today. what are people you've been talking to been saying lewis—mack it won't surprise you that people are shocked — won't surprise you that people are shocked. been talking about nottingham, this vibrant city and very friendly to students and the welcoming students in the city and what has _ welcoming students in the city and what has happened is completely

rockfish _ what has happened is completely rockfish and community. yes, you better— rockfish and community. yes, you better later — rockfish and community. yes, you better later on today at university and we _ better later on today at university and we are — better later on today at university and we are expecting a big joke taking — and we are expecting a big joke taking place tomorrow at the market square _ taking place tomorrow at the market square. individualthere taking place tomorrow at the market square. individual there last night, she was— square. individual there last night, she was saying, but this church is axaiust— she was saying, but this church is axajust opened in the last hour or so, a _ axajust opened in the last hour or so, a place — axajust opened in the last hour or so, a place where people can come to reflect, _ so, a place where people can come to reflect, in_ so, a place where people can come to reflect, in place of contemplation, and when — reflect, in place of contemplation, and when things like this happen people _ and when things like this happen people don't know what to do with themselves, so there are people in there _ themselves, so there are people in there already and they're looking at there already and they're looking at the floral _ there already and they're looking at the floral tributes late last night because — the floral tributes late last night because people came and led tributes and lit— because people came and led tributes and lit candles and that sort of thing — and lit candles and that sort of thing to — and lit candles and that sort of thing. to be poor in there already and they— thing. to be poor in there already and they were already crying, visibly — and they were already crying, visibly moved, it's a very quiet space, — visibly moved, it's a very quiet space, so— visibly moved, it's a very quiet space, so yes, places like this will be opening — space, so yes, places like this will be opening people want someone to go and there _ be opening people want someone to go and there are those vigils were people — and there are those vigils were people can come express their feelings— people can come express their feelings if they wish to do so because _ feelings if they wish to do so because this is a city which is grieving. _ because this is a city which is grieving, really. in because this is a city which is grieving, really.— because this is a city which is grieving, really. in the aftermath of something _ grieving, really. in the aftermath of something so _ grieving, really. in the aftermath of something so shocking - grieving, really. in the aftermath of something so shocking and - grieving, really. in the aftermath of something so shocking and so| of something so shocking and so unexpected, they will also be a time to heal. ~ �* , ., to heal. we've seen that with some ofthe to heal. we've seen that with some of the interviews _ to heal. we've seen that with some of the interviews we've _ to heal. we've seen that with some of the interviews we've heard - to heal. we've seen that with some of the interviews we've heard from | of the interviews we've heard from students at nottingham university.

incredibly shocking. i think one of barnaby�*s friend said something like it could have been any of those just walking home from a night out, which is what barnaby and grace had been doing at the time. that is what barnaby and grace had been doing at the time.— doing at the time. that is that sense, doing at the time. that is that sense. isn't — doing at the time. that is that sense, isn't there? _ doing at the time. that is that sense, isn't there? would - doing at the time. that is that l sense, isn't there? would have happen— sense, isn't there? would have happen despite densely populated with student accommodation. so people _ with student accommodation. so people who are students in the city will be _ people who are students in the city will be thinking that could have been _ will be thinking that could have been me — will be thinking that could have been me. and parents who live in the country— been me. and parents who live in the country and _ been me. and parents who live in the country and send their children to the city— country and send their children to the city will also be thinking that. all students across the uk and elsewhere will be thinking why did this happen? there is a deep sense of shock _ this happen? there is a deep sense of shock as — this happen? there is a deep sense of shock. as we say, the university of shock. as we say, the university of nottingham are deeply saddened and have _ of nottingham are deeply saddened and have this ritual later on today. that will— and have this ritual later on today. that will be — and have this ritual later on today. that will be really well attended and we — that will be really well attended and we talked about the graduation ball that _ and we talked about the graduation ball that was cancelled last night, i presume — ball that was cancelled last night, i presume no one had the appetite for that, _ i presume no one had the appetite forthat, but i presume no one had the appetite for that, but there was 400 people at this— for that, but there was 400 people at this vigil— for that, but there was 400 people at this vigil last night, so it will be interesting to see how many turn up be interesting to see how many turn up later— be interesting to see how many turn up later that vigil. we be interesting to see how many turn up later that vigil.— up later that vigil. we had a statement _ up later that vigil. we had a statement from _ up later that vigil. we had a statement from the - up later that vigil. we had a statement from the family i up later that vigil. we had a l statement from the family of up later that vigil. we had a -

statement from the family of barnaby webber that is just common, they talk about their complete devastation, what they describe as a senseless attack and a senseless loss of their son. it senseless attack and a senseless loss of their son.— loss of their son. it is heartbreaking - loss of their son. it is heartbreaking when l loss of their son. it is i heartbreaking when you loss of their son. it is - heartbreaking when you read loss of their son. it is heartbreaking when you read that, he was only— heartbreaking when you read that, he was only 19 _ heartbreaking when you read that, he was only 19 starting hisjourney heartbreaking when you read that, he was only 19 starting his journey to adulthood — was only 19 starting his journey to adulthood i think they talk about when _ adulthood i think they talk about when you — adulthood i think they talk about when you see photographs of him he looks— when you see photographs of him he looks so— when you see photographs of him he looks so smiley, starting to study here in_ looks so smiley, starting to study here in nottingham, so, yes, it is deeply— here in nottingham, so, yes, it is deeply moving heating those tributes and also _ deeply moving heating those tributes and also the ones coming in for grace _ and also the ones coming in for grace as— and also the ones coming in for grace as well and i'm sure more will follow _ grace as well and i'm sure more will follow and — grace as well and i'm sure more will follow. and we are awaiting details of the _ follow. and we are awaiting details of the other victim as well, the man in his— of the other victim as well, the man in his 50s _ of the other victim as well, the man in his 505. and there were three people _ in his 505. and there were three people injured as well, let's not forget, — people injured as well, let's not forget, milton street not too far from _ forget, milton street not too far from where we are standing now near the victoria _ from where we are standing now near the victoria centre. one of those, a man we _ the victoria centre. one of those, a man we understand, is in a critical condition— man we understand, is in a critical condition in— man we understand, is in a critical condition in hospital, two people suffered — condition in hospital, two people suffered minor injuries, so we will be waiting — suffered minor injuries, so we will be waiting to see what happens with regards _ be waiting to see what happens with regards to— be waiting to see what happens with regards to them as well. and be waiting to see what happens with regards to them as well.— be waiting to see what happens with regards to them as well. and we were caettin regards to them as well. and we were getting more — regards to them as well. and we were getting more details, _ regards to them as well. and we were getting more details, she _ regards to them as well. and we were getting more details, she say, - getting more details, she say, people talking to friends as well of grace and barnaby, both very

promising sport stars.- grace and barnaby, both very promising sport stars. yes, grace hocke , promising sport stars. yes, grace hockey. barnaby _ promising sport stars. yes, grace hockey, barnaby cricket. - promising sport stars. yes, grace| hockey, barnaby cricket. someone promising sport stars. yes, grace - hockey, barnaby cricket. someone who knew barnaby or grace was here last night _ knew barnaby or grace was here last night and _ knew barnaby or grace was here last night and was talking to our colleagues here at the bbc, they were _ colleagues here at the bbc, they were really shocked, person was also saying _ were really shocked, person was also saying that _ were really shocked, person was also saying that they felt scared about going _ saying that they felt scared about going out in the city of nottingham and very— going out in the city of nottingham and very anxious about what had happened — and very anxious about what had happened and that is totally understandable, but we've heard today— understandable, but we've heard today from the mp for the city and we've _ today from the mp for the city and we've also — today from the mp for the city and we've also heard from the leader of nottingham city council and they are talking _ nottingham city council and they are talking about, yes, obviously this is a shocking time for the city but this is— is a shocking time for the city but this is not— is a shocking time for the city but this is not normal, this is not normal— this is not normal, this is not normal at _ this is not normal, this is not normal at all and this is a great city, _ normal at all and this is a great city, a — normal at all and this is a great city, a safe _ normal at all and this is a great city, a safe city and they want people — city, a safe city and they want people to _ city, a safe city and they want people to still remember that and compare, — people to still remember that and compere, libya, study here and really _ compere, libya, study here and really enjoy their time here. really en'oy their time here. thank ou for really enjoy their time here. thank you for giving _ really enjoy their time here. thank you for giving us — really enjoy their time here. thank you for giving us more _ really enjoy their time here. thank you for giving us more insight - really enjoy their time here. thank you for giving us more insight into | you for giving us more insight into city you clearly care a lot for. as we've heard from both correspondence

there, there will be more services of remembrance for the victims, two of remembrance for the victims, two of those 19 euros students, grace kumar and barnaby webber. both promising sport stars ——19—year—old students. accomplished cricketers and hockey players, grace played hockeyin and hockey players, grace played hockey in her age group representing england, and a man in his 50s also died in those attacks yesterday, his identity is yet to be announced by the police. there has been no official statement on any of the three victims, so it is families announcing the loss of their loved ones is how we, at the moment, are able to get more of a sense of who lost their lives in the attack, which was described by barnaby�*s family as senseless. it is impossible, really, to convey how they made this year. it feels like

people are, to a phrase, extremely shocked, they don't expect this kind of thing to happen in their city, whilst nottingham city centre has started to open up compared with yesterday, where this part of the city was covered in police tape, accordance everywhere, moving on from what happened yesterday is going to take some time and faith leaders are expected here at the church through the course of the morning. they will be able to provide some comfort to people who lost family members and friends, but of course, this is a process and while the process of healing takes place, the police investigation continues in earnest. the place, the police investigation continues in earnest.- place, the police investigation continues in earnest. a very sombre mood in the — continues in earnest. a very sombre mood in the city _ continues in earnest. a very sombre mood in the city today, _ continues in earnest. a very sombre mood in the city today, i'm - continues in earnest. a very sombre mood in the city today, i'm sure, i mood in the city today, i'm sure, but we will come back to the sony. thank you very much for now. if you have justjoined thank you very much for now. if you havejustjoined us, a reminder that just over 2a hours since this attack unfolded in nottingham. we have this

morning had a statement from police saying that the man they have in custody is originally from west africa, did not have a criminal record and had been in the uk for many years, was not the purchase of sin but was a resident in the uk will settle status. we don't know if or when we may get more information from police on this ongoing investigation, but do stick with this year on bbc news and we will bring that to you when it comes. lets move on to another story now, the head of itv will face questions from mps today following the department of the this morning presenter phillip schofield. dame carolyn mccall will be asked about how the broadcaster protects staff following allegations of a toxic culture at this morning and mr scofield's affair with a much younger and morejunior scofield's affair with a much younger and more junior colleague. our media and arts correspondent has this report. i our media and arts correspondent has this re ort. , ., ., ., ., this report. i see nothing ahead of me but blackness. _ this report. i see nothing ahead of me but blackness. for _ this report. i see nothing ahead of me but blackness. for phillip - me but blackness. for phillip schofield. — me but blackness. for phillip schofield, the _ me but blackness. for phillip schofield, the lies _ me but blackness. for phillip

schofield, the lies about - me but blackness. for phillip schofield, the lies about a i schofield, the lies about a relationship with a much younger member of the this morning team led to him parting company with itv. he has been one of their main stars for more than 20 years. but what about itv? they too are facing questions. itv? they too are facing questions. itv is already in it's an externally led review into the matter but mps have more immediate concerns. if there were any complaints from staff, a whistle—blower, how does itv is a corporation handle an issue like that? right, deep breath. firstly, are you ok? i hope so. so while holly willoughby has been asking if the viewers are ok, mps have different questions. the head of itv, dame carolyn mccall, will be asked about the scope and nature of its investigation, the broadcaster's workplace culture and just how much power do the stars wield. we know that broadcasting attracts more than its fair share of these kind of gods of television who have an enormous amount of power.

there is an imbalance of power, and we want to make sure that our public service broadcasters have the right systems and processes to make sure people's careers cannot be derailed or enhanced by their influence. i will be by your side for ever. however, while this morning may have been attracting headlines, it is far from the only issue facing itv. there are concerns about how it treats people who appear on its shows and, also, the big long—term question facing all traditional tv channels. we all know that young people have an awful lot of options, they have netflix, disney plus and so on, youtube, so we know that there is this problem of the ageing of the tv audience. is there a toxic work environment at this morning? but the main topic will be this morning. i have always found toxic aubergine. while the editor of the show

here was not wanting to discuss the programme's issues on the way to work, itv has said that there will be a full external report on the matter in the months to come. david sillito, bbc news. the chief exec of itv will face questions later from mps the chief exec of itv will face questions laterfrom mps in the department for culture, media and sport select committee. we will bring that to you when that happens. let's go to the us where the former president has given a defiant speech to his supporters in newjersey. following his second court appearance in three months. mr trump dismissed the latest set of indictments, put to him at a courthouse in miami, as an evil and a heinous abuse of power. his lawyer pleaded not guilty on his behalf to charges that he wilfully mishandled national security documents and obstructed justice. our reporter helena humphrey is in miami... i think it is fair to say that for a

moment of such significance for this nation, historically, politically and in the future it was relatively short lived. here in miami you can see the federal courthouse just behind me and this is the scene where former president donald trump entered this courthouse for under two hours and where, as you say, his attorney on his behalf put in that plea of not guilty on those 37 federal criminal charges, and as extraordinary as this moment was, inside the courthouse, it was the scenes outside as well. i spoke to transporters outside who said they believed this was the politicisation of the department ofjustice, repeating lines from donald trump saying this was a witch hunt, that died and instead should be the one who is investigated here —— thatjoe biden should be the one. there were some critics of donald trump but far fewer in number. thankfully we can do what did not appear to be large—scale violent scenes. we

certainly had been concerned about that, there have been some concerning rhetoric online, then donald trump sped off to bedminster and even stopped on his motorcade to speak at a restaurant here, cafe versailles, very popular with the cuban community here, where he was seeking to do some kind of impromptu rally saying it's a sad day... a spectacle that only donald trump could pre—empt. his supporters and critics gathered outside the courthouse. extra police officers were brought in to keep everything in check, as his motorcade eventually arrived and he entered the core, becoming the first—ever former president to be federally prosecuted in us history. a man who tore up the rule book, now faces the real book being thrown at him. he

sat in court as the 37 charges were read out. it's alleged that he kept us government secrets in a shower, bathroom, ballroom and bedroom of his mar—a—lago estate. he pleaded not guilty. outside court, his lawyer repeated trump's lines that this was a political witch—hunt. what is being done to the president trump should terrify all citizens of this country. these are not the ideals that our democracy is founded upon. but it's a narrative that works with his supporters as he campaigns to be president again. he immediately showed up at a local cafe where supporters sang happy birthday. he turns 77 on wednesday. even though he is underfederal custody, he is not considered a flight risk and soon got on a plane to newjersey to make a speech. today, we witnessed the most evil

and heinous abuse of power in the history of our country. a very sad thing to watch. a corrupt sitting president had his top political opponent arrested on fake and fabricated charges, of which he and numerous other presidents would be guilty. constitutionally, this case does not disqualify donald trump from running for the white house again. he can be both defendant and candidate and, if found guilty, could even potentially be convict and president. nomia iqbal, bbc news, miami. in the space of one day, donald trump had tried to take his legal perils and turn them into political opportunity in his bid for the white housein opportunity in his bid for the white house in 202a. and there is potential good reason for that as well, when you take a look at his legal defence, many legal experts are saying that a presidential run might be one of his best forms of

defence, cognisant of the fact that the department ofjustice is not in the department ofjustice is not in the habit, they don't usually indict a sitting president.— the habit, they don't usually indict a sitting president. helena humphrey in miami. a sitting president. helena humphrey in miami- and — a sitting president. helena humphrey in miami. and there _ a sitting president. helena humphrey in miami. and there is _ a sitting president. helena humphrey in miami. and there is much - a sitting president. helena humphrey in miami. and there is much more - a sitting president. helena humphrey in miami. and there is much more on | in miami. and there is much more on that story on the bbc news website and the bbc news app. welcome to bbc news. police in nottingham are questioning a 31—year—old man on suspicion of murder after 219—year—old students in the 50—year—old man was stabbed to death in the city centre. the students have been named as barnaby webber and grace kumar. three other people were injured when the attacker allegedly stole the older victim's van and attempted to run them over. one is in a critical condition. we have had some information from police in nottingham confirming some more information about the suspect they have in custody. they say he is originally from west africa, that he did not have a criminal record, they say he had been in the uk for many years, was not a british citizen but was resident in the uk with settled

status, which means he had permission to stay for several years. we also have a statement from the university of nottingham, from the university of nottingham, from the vice chancellor, talking about how the entire university community is deeply shocked and saddened by the death of two other students, barnaby webber and grace kumar, who died in that attack in nottingham which took placejust died in that attack in nottingham which took place just over 2a hours for pm yesterday dish—mac for ms today. in —— events strategy involved and a massive police operation got underway. streets are now reopened and we can go to nottingham and speak to our correspondent. give us a sense of what's happening this morning. weill. what's happening this morning. well, ou “oined what's happening this morning. well, you joined me — what's happening this morning. well, you joined me outside _ what's happening this morning. well, you joined me outside st _ what's happening this morning. in you joined me outside st peter's church in the centre of nottingham. there was a vigil here last night, attended by many people from all walks of life in the city, and a day

after those three tragic incidents took place here. this is still a city in mourning. 2a hours ago, much of this city centre area was still under police cordon as the investigation really took over huge parts of this central thoroughfare of the city. that investigation continues, but as i say, this is also a city in shock about what has happened, and as you mentioned, 219—year—olds, grace kumar and barnaby webber, have been identified as two of the three victims who died in those three separate incidents yesterday, another man in his 50s is yet to be named but we know that there was a third victim, and as we have been saying this morning, a 31—year—old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder. frances reid looks back on a very distraught 2a hours for this english city.

two teenagers killed with no real understanding as to why. barnaby webber, a keen sportsman, and grace kumar, a talented hockey player, were both students at the university of nottingham. they died in the attack along with a third man in his 50s. the city and mourns together, unable to comprehend what's happened. l unable to comprehend what's happened-— unable to comprehend what's hauened. ., . . ., happened. i have a connection with the city and — happened. i have a connection with the city and l _ happened. i have a connection with the city and i just _ happened. i have a connection with the city and i just want _ happened. i have a connection with the city and i just want to - happened. i have a connection with the city and ijust want to be, - happened. i have a connection with the city and ijust want to be, i - the city and ijust want to be, i don't _ the city and ijust want to be, i don't know. _ the city and ijust want to be, i don't know, here, with other people my age _ don't know, here, with other people m are. w don't know, here, with other people m are, ., , ., , my age. videos have been held overniaht my age. videos have been held overnight for _ my age. videos have been held overnight for those _ my age. videos have been held overnight for those killed. -- i overnight for those killed. -- virils. overnight for those killed. -- vigils- right _ overnight for those killed. -- vigils. right now, our hearts, thoughts and prayers go out to those especially who have lost loved ones. in a statement, nottingham university said it was shocked and devastated and that it's thoughts were with those affected. england hockey tweeted. ..

and tributes too from barnaby cos home cricket club in somerset, saying he had been a key part of their club and had made such an impact. his memory will live on, it said. police believe the attacker stabbed the victim is perforce stealing a van which he then drove into three other people. one man is critically ill in hospital while two others are believed to have suffered minor injuries. few details have been released about the suspect other than that he was a male west african migrant with a history of mental health issues. police working with counterterror specialists have an open mind about a motive. l with counterterror specialists have an open mind about a motive. i am with counterterror specialists have an open mind about a motive. i am in reuular an open mind about a motive. i am in regular contact _ an open mind about a motive. i am in regular contact with _ an open mind about a motive. i am in regular contact with the _ an open mind about a motive. i am in regular contact with the chief - regular contact with the chief constable of nottinghamshire police, but i want _ constable of nottinghamshire police, but i want to take this opportunity to urge _

but i want to take this opportunity to urge anybody who has any information about this incident to come _ information about this incident to come forward and reported to the police _ come forward and reported to the olice. , , ., . , come forward and reported to the olice. , ,. . , come forward and reported to the olice. ,_,.y , police. this is a city whose people are characteristically _ police. this is a city whose people are characteristically stoic. - police. this is a city whose people are characteristically stoic. but. police. this is a city whose people are characteristically stoic. but it| are characteristically stoic. but it has been truly shocking at a difficult time for all those now wanting answers. well, as we heard in a report this is a city that wants answers. a police investigation continues and much of that investigation is focused on ilkeston road, that is where the first of those three incidents took place yesterday morning, police were called there just after aam where they found two people dead. we now know those two people dead. we now know those two people were 19—year—old students, grace kumar and barnaby webber. they werejust grace kumar and barnaby webber. they were just returning from a night out, there were students at nottingham university. but as well

as this being a city that wants answers it is of course a city in mourning, and we are at a st peter parish church for a reason, there was a vigil yesterday which attracted people from all over the city. there will also be more services here today and i'm now joined by my colleague nustedt johal. this first of all talk about that first thing. this is a city in mourning, we always say in these incidents whether they are where there are, a city in shock but you can't overstate that absolutely not. the city prides itself on being student friendly.— the city prides itself on being student friendly. there are over 80,000 students _ student friendly. there are over 80,000 students here, - student friendly. there are over 80,000 students here, two - student friendly. there are over 80,000 students here, two big j 80,000 students here, two big universities, and these two young people _ universities, and these two young people who died yesterday appeared to be on— people who died yesterday appeared to be on the cusp of one of the lights, — to be on the cusp of one of the lights, both of them talented sportspeople, we understand barnaby a very— sportspeople, we understand barnaby a very talented cricketer and grace kumar— a very talented cricketer and grace kumar was— a very talented cricketer and grace kumar was a wonderfully talented young _ kumar was a wonderfully talented young hockey player as well,

represented england at under 16 and under— represented england at under 16 and under 18_ represented england at under 16 and under 18 level and last night at the vi-il under 18 level and last night at the vigil here, — under 18 level and last night at the vigil here, the reaction from people who knew— vigil here, the reaction from people who knew them, who maybe didn't know them but _ who knew them, who maybe didn't know them but simply felt that sadness, them but simply felt that sadness, the melancholy which we've been hearing _ the melancholy which we've been hearing about as well, was immense. there _ hearing about as well, was immense. there were _ hearing about as well, was immense. there were hundreds of people here paying _ there were hundreds of people here paying their respects, paying tribute — paying their respects, paying tribute to those too who have died. there _ tribute to those too who have died. there is _ tribute to those too who have died. there is of— tribute to those too who have died. there is of close a third victim as well, _ there is of close a third victim as well, a _ there is of close a third victim as well, a man— there is of close a third victim as well, a man in his 505 who is yet to be named — well, a man in his 505 who is yet to be named. he died, we understand, after the _ be named. he died, we understand, after the two students on a road in the north— after the two students on a road in the north of— after the two students on a road in the north of the city in mark rowley park, _ the north of the city in mark rowley park. a _ the north of the city in mark rowley park, a leafy suburban area of the city _ park, a leafy suburban area of the city but _ park, a leafy suburban area of the city. but this is a place which is usually— city. but this is a place which is usually so _ city. but this is a place which is usually so vibrant. —— in matt currie — usually so vibrant. —— in matt currie park _ usually so vibrant. —— in matt currie park. at the moment, this is a place _ currie park. at the moment, this is a place which — currie park. at the moment, this is a place which is still recovering, it is grieving and what happened yesterday. it is grieving and what happened esterda . 1, ., g , it is grieving and what happened esterda . a ., ,�* , , yesterday. one barnaby's friends said he could _ yesterday. one barnaby's friends said he could have _ yesterday. one barnaby's friends said he could have been... - yesterday. one barnaby's friends said he could have been... it -

yesterday. one barnaby's friends i said he could have been... it could have been any student walking home from a night out. we know that they nottingham university graduate ball was cancelled last night. what kind of help is out therequiz—macro will have to be a lot of counselling, a of support for everyone in the city but particularly that young student population who are shaken by this. earlier i was speaking to the university and they were talking about _ university and they were talking about the well— being officers that have been in place, going to the places— have been in place, going to the places where the students lived, speaking — places where the students lived, speaking to them directly, some of the students have talked about how the students have talked about how the university has been in contact with them — the university has been in contact with them regularly since this incident — with them regularly since this incident first came to light. but despite — incident first came to light. but despite the help that is currently there. _ despite the help that is currently there. at— despite the help that is currently there, at the moment i think there is a great _ there, at the moment i think there is a great deal of shock. the feeling — is a great deal of shock. the feeling of— is a great deal of shock. the feeling of something surreal happening in the city which is usually— happening in the city which is usually so peaceful and calm and vibrant and it has come at a time where _ vibrant and it has come at a time where most _ vibrant and it has come at a time where most people in this city who are students would be celebrating, they would be enjoying the fact that are coming to an end, the hard work

has paid— are coming to an end, the hard work has paid off— are coming to an end, the hard work has paid off and they can finally let their— has paid off and they can finally let their hair down and enjoy themselves, and those two students in particular appear to be coming back— in particular appear to be coming back from — in particular appear to be coming back from a night out, from a club in the _ back from a night out, from a club in the city— back from a night out, from a club in the city centre and where —— and were _ in the city centre and where —— and were just _ in the city centre and where —— and were just five — in the city centre and where —— and were just five minutes from —— from home _ were just five minutes from —— from home when— were just five minutes from —— from home when they were attacked. it home when they were attacked. it really home when they were attacked. really hard home when they were attacked. it really hard to comprehend that, literally minutes away. let's talk about the investigation. we haven't had that many updates from the police. you will turn out ilkeston road yesterday lunchtime when police conducted a raid. what more did you glean from being there then, and is there anything you can add, the police have said?— there anything you can add, the police have said? ilkeston road was central to yesterday's _ police have said? ilkeston road was central to yesterday's events, - police have said? ilkeston road was central to yesterday's events, not i central to yesterday's events, not only is _ central to yesterday's events, not only is it — central to yesterday's events, not only is it where the first two people _ only is it where the first two people were found dead, it's also where _ people were found dead, it's also where throughout the day we saw a great _ where throughout the day we saw a great deal — where throughout the day we saw a great deal of police activity. around _ great deal of police activity. around lunchtime there was an address— around lunchtime there was an address on the road where we saw probably— address on the road where we saw probably eight to ten armed police officers _ probably eight to ten armed police officers raided a property, and i was the — officers raided a property, and i was the focus of the investigation,

it appeared, for a great deal of time _ it appeared, for a great deal of time throughout the day. the area around _ time throughout the day. the area around ilkeston road was cordoned off as _ around ilkeston road was cordoned off as well. what we understand in terms _ off as well. what we understand in terms of— off as well. what we understand in terms of where the investigation is a that— terms of where the investigation is a that a _ terms of where the investigation is a that a 31—year—old man remains in police _ a that a 31—year—old man remains in police custody and is still being questioned by police. the bbc understands that this man is from west— understands that this man is from west africa, originally, he is not a british— west africa, originally, he is not a british citizen but has right to remain— british citizen but has right to remain in_ british citizen but has right to remain in the uk and has been living here for— remain in the uk and has been living here for many years. we also understand that he has a history of mental— understand that he has a history of mental health problems as well. but this is— mental health problems as well. but this is data _ mental health problems as well. but this is data which the bbc has gleaned — this is data which the bbc has gleaned from other sources at the moment, — gleaned from other sources at the moment, it hasn't been confirmed by the police, _ moment, it hasn't been confirmed by the police, we are still waiting for more _ the police, we are still waiting for more information from the police about— more information from the police about the — more information from the police about the latest on this investigation, but currently that 31—year—old raman remains in custody, — 31—year—old raman remains in custody, he was arrested on suspicion _ custody, he was arrested on suspicion of murder, we must also mention— suspicion of murder, we must also mention that there was an incident here in_ mention that there was an incident here in the — mention that there was an incident here in the city centre where three people _ here in the city centre where three people were hit by a van, and that took place — people were hit by a van, and that took place just a few hundred yards away from — took place just a few hundred yards away from where we are standing.

navtei. _ away from where we are standing. navtej, thank you. and an update on that incident, police say that a van tried to run over three people. as we know from the police, butjust a reminder, one man is in a critical condition in hospital following reminder, one man is in a critical condition in hospitalfollowing that incident, and two people suffered minor injuries. we have been hearing from people across the spectrum here in nottingham including the leader of the city council, who spoke to the bbc earlier and said that councillors are working with the police to ensure that this city remains safe. it police to ensure that this city remains safe.— police to ensure that this city remains safe. it is a terrible day for nottingham. _ remains safe. it is a terrible day for nottingham. three - remains safe. it is a terrible day for nottingham. three people i remains safe. it is a terrible day i for nottingham. three people have lost their— for nottingham. three people have lost their lives and others are in hospital— lost their lives and others are in hospital recovering. the city is in shock— hospital recovering. the city is in shock and — hospital recovering. the city is in shock and mourning. the spirit of nottingham will shine through this. it nottingham will shine through this. it was _ nottingham will shine through this. it was so _ nottingham will shine through this. it was so like us that people ran to

help. _ it was so like us that people ran to help, people were driven into while they were _ help, people were driven into while they were waiting for a bus, it was shown— they were waiting fora bus, it was shown in_ they were waiting for a bus, it was shown in the people who came here last night— shown in the people who came here last night to the church and hundreds, students, all other people wanting _ hundreds, students, all other people wanting just to stop and reflect on what had — wanting just to stop and reflect on what had been an awful day for our city, but _ what had been an awful day for our city, but also the determination that fear— city, but also the determination that fear will not conquer here. yes, _ that fear will not conquer here. yes. we — that fear will not conquer here. yes, we have had a terrible incident, _ yes, we have had a terrible incident, but we remain a city that strives— incident, but we remain a city that strives to — incident, but we remain a city that strives to be — incident, but we remain a city that strives to be safe, that celebrates its diversity and will come together in the _ its diversity and will come together in the coming days to support those who have _ in the coming days to support those who have lost loved ones and those who have lost loved ones and those who have _ who have lost loved ones and those who have been affected by this, these _ who have been affected by this, these terrible things that happened yesterday. about 70,000 students in the city _ yesterday. about 70,000 students in the city i_ yesterday. about 70,000 students in the city. i first came to nottingham as a student 40 years ago. it is a place _ as a student 40 years ago. it is a place where _ as a student 40 years ago. it is a place where our universities play a very important role in our life, not 'ust very important role in our life, not just for— very important role in our life, not just for learning but for the economy as well. and i'm sure there

will be _ economy as well. and i'm sure there will be a _ economy as well. and i'm sure there will be a huge shock, it's the end of term _ will be a huge shock, it's the end of term for— will be a huge shock, it's the end of term for students, they were due to have _ of term for students, they were due to have a _ of term for students, they were due to have a graduation ball last night that was— to have a graduation ball last night that was cancelled, and as i say, they— that was cancelled, and as i say, they will— that was cancelled, and as i say, they will have a vigil at the university of nottingham later today — university of nottingham later today. for parents, i can imagine it's a _ today. for parents, i can imagine it's a big — today. for parents, i can imagine it's a big time of anxiety. all i would — it's a big time of anxiety. all i would say— it's a big time of anxiety. all i would say is that we will work together— would say is that we will work together with the police to keep this city— together with the police to keep this city ace —— as safe as we possibly— this city ace —— as safe as we possibly can. this city ace -- as safe as we possibly can-— possibly can. the ansell lita baehre, who _ possibly can. the ansell lita baehre, who himself- possibly can. the ansell lita baehre, who himself was i possibly can. the ansell lita baehre, who himself was a l possibly can. the ansell lita - baehre, who himself was a student at nottingham university. —— the council leader. i can make you a statement that we got from the parents of barnaby webber. they said, complete devastation is not enough to describe our pain and loss at the senseless murder of our son. barnaby webber was a beautiful, brilliant, bright young man. he had everything in life to look forward to. that statement in itselfjust

gives you a sense of how people here are feeling. we are at since peter cos church throughout the day, people are coming to this church to pay respects to those who lost their lives in that attack that took place yesterday. lives in that attack that took place esterda . , ,., , ., ., yesterday. every sombre mood in nottingham _ yesterday. every sombre mood in nottingham today. _ yesterday. every sombre mood in nottingham today. thank - yesterday. every sombre mood in nottingham today. thank you - yesterday. every sombre mood in nottingham today. thank you for| nottingham today. thank you for that. let's move onto another affecting england today. thousands ofjunior doctors are crossing that are walking out on the latest round of strikes in a dispute over pay. the bma is going ahead with its action after it rejected a 5% pay offer, instead calling for 35% to reflect how pay has fallen from more than a decade. the health secretary says it will put patient safety and efforts to cut waiting lists at risk. our correspond it is outside ucr hospital in central london. how many people do we expect on the picket line today across england?

new citizens and that's about right. just under half of all medical staff in the uk are junior doctors. —— just under half of all medical staff in the uk arejunior doctors. —— you said thousands. they have been out on strike here just under three hours now and you can see the picket line has been building up throughout the morning. a lot of drivers have begun past, they are being asked to honk if they supportjunior doctors and they have been quite a few. i think we are going to see considerable brought disruption over the next three days because they are not going back to work until saturday morning. the last time junior doctors went on strike, in april, round about 200,000 appointments had to be cancelled, and that added to a situation where we already have 7 million people on nhs waiting lists in the uk.- nhs waiting lists in the uk. doctors have to study _ nhs waiting lists in the uk. doctors have to study hard, _ nhs waiting lists in the uk. doctors have to study hard, train _ nhs waiting lists in the uk. doctors have to study hard, train hard - nhs waiting lists in the uk. doctors have to study hard, train hard and l have to study hard, train hard and then work hard, rather famously, they're asking for 35%, that is

quite an uplift compared to lots of public sector workers, what has been some of the public response to this? let's run through those figures. the government is offering 5%, they say thatis government is offering 5%, they say that is fair and reasonable. but junior doctors say is that they are not looking for a pay rise, but pay restoration, because they say that over the past 15 years, because of inflation, they haven't had pay rises that haven't matched inflation so they say they are 35% down on what they were in 2008 and they won't pay restored, and they say that with a 5% offer, that doesn't even match the current level of inflation, which has been around 10% inflation, which has been around 10% in the last few months. in terms of public support, you have to remember that of course, during the pandemic there was widespread public support for people working in the nhs, we have people out on the doorsteps clapping for the nhs and all the

rest of it, so i think broadly there is a lot of support for the nhs. whether people think that 35% headline figure that they are hearing is too much, because in other areas we have seen sectors are settling for much, much less than that. but i think the main point is that. but i think the main point is that we are nowhere near a resolution, it would seem, to this industrial dispute, there is the possibility i think of further strikes throughout the summer. you talked earlier _ strikes throughout the summer. you talked earlier about the pressures facing the nhs. given the warm weather, the kind of hangoverfrom the pandemic, how are these shifts, this work that still needs to be done, people will be worried if their appointments will be cancelled, how are the health authority is planning to cover the work? i authority is planning to cover the work? ., ., authority is planning to cover the work? ~ ., ., ., , .,, work? i think a lot of people will robabl work? i think a lot of people will probably have — work? i think a lot of people will probably have found _ work? i think a lot of people will probably have found that - work? i think a lot of people will probably have found that if - work? i think a lot of people will probably have found that if they| work? i think a lot of people will. probably have found that if they had appointments today, those might have been cancelled already. but nhs chiefs are saying is that they have

been trying to bring in consultants and pay them overtime to cover some of the people who are off work over the next few days, but we are hearing that they simply haven't been able to get enough people to do that, it's costing a lot of money. so the nhs, which is already under enormous financial pressures, is having to pay out more to cover for these strikes. jan having to pay out more to cover for these strikes.— these strikes. jon donnison, thank ou ve these strikes. jon donnison, thank you very much- — these strikes. jon donnison, thank you very much. let's _ these strikes. jon donnison, thank you very much. let's go _ these strikes. jon donnison, thank you very much. let's go to - these strikes. jon donnison, thank you very much. let's go to a - these strikes. jon donnison, thank you very much. let's go to a live i you very much. let's go to a live event, and the home secretary is facing questions from the home affairs committee on a range of issues related to the asylum and immigration system. the inquiry will be scrutinising the government's attends to reduce the numbers of people attempted to cross the channel in small boats. particularly deafini channel in small boats. particularly dealing with _ channel in small boats. particularly dealing with the _ channel in small boats. particularly dealing with the example _ channel in small boats. particularly dealing with the example i - channel in small boats. particularly dealing with the example i have - channel in small boats. particularly l dealing with the example i have been setting _ dealing with the example i have been setting out— dealing with the example i have been setting out around _ dealing with the example i have been setting out around women _ dealing with the example i have been setting out around women who - dealing with the example i have been setting out around women who have. setting out around women who have been trafficked _ setting out around women who have been trafficked into _ setting out around women who have been trafficked into sexual- been trafficked into sexual exploitation, _ been trafficked into sexual exploitation, and - been trafficked into sexual exploitation, and i- been trafficked into sexual exploitation, and i had - been trafficked into sexual exploitation, and i had a i been trafficked into sexual. exploitation, and i had a look been trafficked into sexual- exploitation, and i had a look at the equalities— exploitation, and i had a look at the equalities impact—

exploitation, and i had a look at. the equalities impact assessment exploitation, and i had a look at- the equalities impact assessment for the equalities impact assessment for the bill— the equalities impact assessment for the bill and _ the equalities impact assessment for the bill and that— the equalities impact assessment for the bill and that includes— the equalities impact assessment for the bill and that includes that - the bill and that includes that there — the bill and that includes that there would _ the bill and that includes that there would be _ the bill and that includes that there would be a _ the bill and that includes that - there would be a disproportionate impact _ there would be a disproportionate impact on — there would be a disproportionate impact on women, _ there would be a disproportionate impact on women, the _ there would be a disproportionate impact on women, the provisionsl there would be a disproportionate . impact on women, the provisions will be introduced — impact on women, the provisions will be introduced. so _ impact on women, the provisions will be introduced. so i _ impact on women, the provisions will be introduced. so ijust— impact on women, the provisions will be introduced. so ijust want- impact on women, the provisions will be introduced. so ijust want to - be introduced. so ijust want to drill down — be introduced. so ijust want to drill down into— be introduced. so ijust want to drill down into this _ be introduced. so ijust want to drill down into this a _ be introduced. so ijust want to drill down into this a bit. - be introduced. so ijust want to drill down into this a bit. if - be introduced. so ijust want to drill down into this a bit. if a i drill down into this a bit. if a woman— drill down into this a bit. if a woman who _ drill down into this a bit. if a woman who had _ drill down into this a bit. if a woman who had been - drill down into this a bit. if a i woman who had been brought drill down into this a bit. if a - woman who had been brought into the uk by— woman who had been brought into the uk by an— woman who had been brought into the uk by an illegal— woman who had been brought into the uk by an illegal route _ woman who had been brought into the uk by an illegal route for— woman who had been brought into the uk by an illegal route for sex - uk by an illegal route for sex trafficking _ uk by an illegal route for sex trafficking, if _ uk by an illegal route for sex trafficking, if she _ uk by an illegal route for sex trafficking, if she came - uk by an illegal route for sex trafficking, if she came to . uk by an illegal route for sexl trafficking, if she came to the attention— trafficking, if she came to the attention of— trafficking, if she came to the attention of the _ trafficking, if she came to the attention of the authorities, i trafficking, if she came to the - attention of the authorities, would she be _ attention of the authorities, would she be subject _ attention of the authorities, would she be subject to _ attention of the authorities, would she be subject to arrest _ attention of the authorities, would she be subject to arrest and - she be subject to arrest and detention— she be subject to arrest and detention under— she be subject to arrest and detention under the - she be subject to arrest and detention under the illegall detention under the illegal migration _ detention under the illegal migration bill? _ detention under the illegal migration bill?— detention under the illegal migration bill? detention under the illegal miiration bill? ~ , migration bill? well, let me 'ust rive some migration bill? well, let me 'ust give some context, i migration bill? well, let me 'ust give some context, the i migration bill? well, let me 'ust give some context, the vast h migration bill? well, let mejust- give some context, the vast majority of people _ give some context, the vast majority of people coming on small boats are men: _ of people coming on small boats are men. about— of people coming on small boats are men, about 80%, so we are talking about— men, about 80%, so we are talking about a _ men, about 80%, so we are talking about a minority of people who are female. _ about a minority of people who are female, and then we are i would say, are talking _ female, and then we are i would say, are talking about an even smaller minority— are talking about an even smaller minority of— are talking about an even smaller minority of women who are being trafficked — minority of women who are being trafficked on the bouts. i am not denying — trafficked on the bouts. i am not denying it — trafficked on the bouts. i am not denying it occurs but it is a small fraction — denying it occurs but it is a small fraction compared to the totality of the issue _ fraction compared to the totality of the issue that the bill is designed

to deal— the issue that the bill is designed to deal with. but the issue that the bill is designed to deal with-— the issue that the bill is designed to dealwith. �* , . , to deal with. but they are caught up in it so would _ to deal with. but they are caught up in it so would they _ to deal with. but they are caught up in it so would they be _ to deal with. but they are caught up in it so would they be subject - to deal with. but they are caught up in it so would they be subject to - in it so would they be subject to arrest _ in it so would they be subject to arrest and — in it so would they be subject to arrest and detention? _ in it so would they be subject to arrest and detention? [- in it so would they be sub'ect to arrest and detention?_ in it so would they be sub'ect to arrest and detention? i would say that we take _ arrest and detention? i would say that we take very _ arrest and detention? i would say that we take very seriously - arrest and detention? i would say that we take very seriously our i that we take very seriously our commitments and our predictions under— commitments and our predictions under the — commitments and our predictions under the modern slavery act. we want _ under the modern slavery act. we want to— under the modern slavery act. we want to ensure that the balance and struck. _ want to ensure that the balance and struck. i_ want to ensure that the balance and struck, i talked about it last time and in _ struck, i talked about it last time and in a — struck, i talked about it last time and in a follow—up letter, that modern — and in a follow—up letter, that modern slavery roles have been exploited — modern slavery roles have been exploited and abused by people coming — exploited and abused by people coming here illegally to gain time to stay— coming here illegally to gain time to stay in— coming here illegally to gain time to stay in the uk. our measures in the bill— to stay in the uk. our measures in the bill make it harder for people to gain _ the bill make it harder for people to gain the modern slavery system. -- to— to gain the modern slavery system. —— to kaymer. at the same time our measures— —— to kaymer. at the same time our measures in— —— to kaymer. at the same time our measures in the bill i believe strike — measures in the bill i believe strike the balance and still enable us to— strike the balance and still enable us to protect the genuine victims of trafficking _ us to protect the genuine victims of trafficking such as the type you mentioned who were there, who have been trafficked, who are... so mentioned who were there, who have been trafficked, who are. . ._ been trafficked, who are... so will there be subject _ been trafficked, who are... so will there be subject to _ been trafficked, who are... so will there be subject to arrest - been trafficked, who are... so will there be subject to arrest and - there be subject to arrest and detention? _ there be sub'ect to arrest and detention?— there be sub'ect to arrest and detention? ~ ., , ., detention? would depend on the circumstances, _ detention? would depend on the circumstances, can _ detention? would depend on the circumstances, can give - detention? would depend on the circumstances, can give a - detention? would depend on the i circumstances, can give a definitive answer— circumstances, can give a definitive answer without knowing the facts. someone — answer without knowing the facts. someone who came illegally into the

uk, someone who came illegally into the uk. who— someone who came illegally into the uk. who comes _ someone who came illegally into the uk, who comes to _ someone who came illegally into the uk, who comes to the _ someone who came illegally into the uk, who comes to the attention - someone who came illegally into the uk, who comes to the attention of i uk, who comes to the attention of the authorities— uk, who comes to the attention of the authorities has _ uk, who comes to the attention of the authorities has been— uk, who comes to the attention of the authorities has been traffickedj the authorities has been trafficked into the _ the authorities has been trafficked into the country— the authorities has been trafficked into the country for— the authorities has been trafficked into the country for sexual - into the country for sexual exploitation _ into the country for sexual exploitation from - into the country for sexual exploitation from under. into the country for sexuall exploitation from under the into the country for sexual - exploitation from under the illegal migration — exploitation from under the illegal migration bill— exploitation from under the illegal migration bill you _ exploitation from under the illegal migration bill you are _ exploitation from under the illegal migration bill you are saying - exploitation from under the illegali migration bill you are saying you're not sure _ migration bill you are saying you're not sure whether— migration bill you are saying you're not sure whether they— migration bill you are saying you're not sure whether they would - migration bill you are saying you're not sure whether they would be - migration bill you are saying you'rel not sure whether they would be and detained? _ not sure whether they would be and detained? . not sure whether they would be and detained? , ., not sure whether they would be and detained? , . . , ., . detained? there is an exception. we have provisions _ detained? there is an exception. we have provisions in _ detained? there is an exception. we have provisions in the _ detained? there is an exception. we have provisions in the bill _ detained? there is an exception. we have provisions in the bill which - have provisions in the bill which deal— have provisions in the bill which deal with— have provisions in the bill which deal with the situation. 30 have provisions in the bill which deal with the situation.- deal with the situation. so men would be subject _ deal with the situation. so men would be subject to _ deal with the situation. so men would be subject to this - deal with the situation. so men would be subject to this bill? i deal with the situation. so men i would be subject to this bill? this would be sub'ect to this bill? this is a would be subject to this bill? this is a complicated _ would be subject to this bill? is a complicated issue so i need would be subject to this bill?- is a complicated issue so i need to explain. _ is a complicated issue so i need to explain. we — is a complicated issue so i need to explain, we have set out very targeted _ explain, we have set out very targeted and deliberately drafted measures in the bill. what we have done _ measures in the bill. what we have done is _ measures in the bill. what we have done is we — measures in the bill. what we have done is we have allowed for the scenario— done is we have allowed for the scenario where someone is claiming to be _ scenario where someone is claiming to be a _ scenario where someone is claiming to be a victim of trafficking or modern — to be a victim of trafficking or modern slavery and if they are part of a police — modern slavery and if they are part of a police investigation, for example... it of a police investigation, for example- - -_ of a police investigation, for examle... , ., example... it has 'ust come to the attention. _ example... it has 'ust come to the attention. say. — example... it hasjust come to the attention, say, that _ example... it hasjust come to the attention, say, that this _ example... it hasjust come to the attention, say, that this woman i example... it hasjust come to the l attention, say, that this woman has arrived _ attention, say, that this woman has arrived illegally— attention, say, that this woman has arrived illegally into _ attention, say, that this woman has arrived illegally into the _ attention, say, that this woman has arrived illegally into the uk - attention, say, that this woman has arrived illegally into the uk and - attention, say, that this woman has arrived illegally into the uk and is i arrived illegally into the uk and is being _ arrived illegally into the uk and is being used — arrived illegally into the uk and is being used for— arrived illegally into the uk and is

being used for sex— arrived illegally into the uk and is being used for sex trafficking, - arrived illegally into the uk and is| being used for sex trafficking, just to leave _ being used for sex trafficking, just to leave aside _ being used for sex trafficking, just to leave aside the _ being used for sex trafficking, just to leave aside the police _ to leave aside the police investigation, _ to leave aside the police investigation, what - to leave aside the police - investigation, what happens to to leave aside the police _ investigation, what happens to this woman? _ investigation, what happens to this woman? ., �* . investigation, what happens to this woman? ., �*. ., investigation, what happens to this woman? . �* , . ., ., investigation, what happens to this woman? . h . ., ., . woman? that's a fundamental aspect ofthe woman? that's a fundamental aspect of the issue — woman? that's a fundamental aspect of the issue you _ woman? that's a fundamental aspect of the issue you have _ woman? that's a fundamental aspect of the issue you have just _ woman? that's a fundamental aspect of the issue you have just raised, - of the issue you have just raised, this is— of the issue you have just raised, this is an — of the issue you have just raised, this is an illegality we're talking about— this is an illegality we're talking about if— this is an illegality we're talking about if someone has been trafficked for prostitution. we believe that our measures strike the right balance. _ our measures strike the right balance, protecting those genuine victims _ balance, protecting those genuine victims if— balance, protecting those genuine victims. if they go to the police, if they— victims. if they go to the police, if they are — victims. if they go to the police, if they are required by the police to be _ if they are required by the police to be here — if they are required by the police to be here and be part a live investigation relating to the investigation relating to the investigation of track of —— trafficking or modern slavery, they could _ trafficking or modern slavery, they could claim — trafficking or modern slavery, they could claim an exemption to the removal— could claim an exemption to the removal powers in the bill. so we have _ removal powers in the bill. so we have to _ removal powers in the bill. so we have to also make sure that we are not allowing the continuation of the gaming _ not allowing the continuation of the gaming of— not allowing the continuation of the gaming of our rules, which is people claiming _ gaming of our rules, which is people claiming to— gaming of our rules, which is people claiming to be victims of modern slavery— claiming to be victims of modern slavery when they they are not, as a way to _ slavery when they they are not, as a way to thwart removal, as a way to thwart _ way to thwart removal, as a way to thwart detention and as a way to buy time in _ thwart detention and as a way to buy time in the _ thwart detention and as a way to buy time in the uk. | thwart detention and as a way to buy time in the uk-_ time in the uk. i think the problem for the committee _ time in the uk. i think the problem for the committee is _ time in the uk. i think the problem for the committee is that _ time in the uk. i think the problem for the committee is that we - time in the uk. i think the problem for the committee is that we have l for the committee is that we have asked _ for the committee is that we have asked for— for the committee is that we have

asked for evidence _ for the committee is that we have asked for evidence of _ for the committee is that we have asked for evidence of this - for the committee is that we have asked for evidence of this gaming| for the committee is that we have i asked for evidence of this gaming of the system — asked for evidence of this gaming of the system and _ asked for evidence of this gaming of the system and we _ asked for evidence of this gaming of the system and we haven't - asked for evidence of this gaming of the system and we haven't received| the system and we haven't received any in _ the system and we haven't received any in fact— the system and we haven't received any in fact we — the system and we haven't received any in fact we have _ the system and we haven't received any in fact we have had _ the system and we haven't received any in fact we have had in _ the system and we haven't received any in fact we have had in front - the system and we haven't received any in fact we have had in front of. any in fact we have had in front of us the _ any in fact we have had in front of us the former— any in fact we have had in front of us the former anti—slavery - us the former anti—slavery commissioner— us the former anti—slavery commissioner who- us the former anti—slavery commissioner who again i us the former anti—slavery i commissioner who again says us the former anti—slavery - commissioner who again says she us the former anti—slavery _ commissioner who again says she has seen no _ commissioner who again says she has seen no evidence _ commissioner who again says she has seen no evidence of— commissioner who again says she has seen no evidence of this _ commissioner who again says she has seen no evidence of this either. - commissioner who again says she has seen no evidence of this either. but. seen no evidence of this either. but on this— seen no evidence of this either. but on this particular— seen no evidence of this either. but on this particular point... _ seen no evidence of this either. but on this particular point... you- on this particular point... you raised this — on this particular point... you raised this point _ on this particular point... you raised this point last - on this particular point... raised this point last time on this particular point...“ raised this point last time before i came _ raised this point last time before i came to _ raised this point last time before i came to committee, made the point then and _ came to committee, made the point then and i_ came to committee, made the point then and i still maintain it, i wrote — then and i still maintain it, i wrote to _ then and i still maintain it, i wrote to you with detailed examples subsequently setting out several examples and a commission more now, several— examples and a commission more now, several examples of how modern slavery _ several examples of how modern slavery roles are being abused by people _ slavery roles are being abused by people who are not genuine victims of modern — people who are not genuine victims of modern slavery. we need to bring an end _ of modern slavery. we need to bring an end to— of modern slavery. we need to bring an end to that and that's what this bill does — an end to that and that's what this bill does l— an end to that and that's what this bill does. .. ., an end to that and that's what this bill does. ~' ., , an end to that and that's what this bill does. ~' . , ., bill does. i think we have seen a cou-le bill does. i think we have seen a couple that _ bill does. i think we have seen a couple that you _ bill does. i think we have seen a couple that you put _ bill does. i think we have seen a couple that you put it _ bill does. i think we have seen a couple that you put it in - bill does. i think we have seen a couple that you put it in your - couple that you put it in your letter — couple that you put it in your letter i_ couple that you put it in your letter. i want _ couple that you put it in your letter. i want to _ couple that you put it in your letter. i want to be - couple that you put it in your letter. i want to be clear- couple that you put it in yourl letter. i want to be clear what you're — letter. i want to be clear what you're saying _ letter. i want to be clear what you're saying is _ letter. i want to be clear what you're saying is that - letter. i want to be clear what you're saying is that this - letter. i want to be clear what i you're saying is that this person, this woman _ you're saying is that this person, this woman would _ you're saying is that this person, this woman would be _ you're saying is that this person, this woman would be subject - you're saying is that this person, this woman would be subject toi this woman would be subject to arrest _ this woman would be subject to arrest and — this woman would be subject to arrest and detention, _ this woman would be subject to arrest and detention, but - this woman would be subject to arrest and detention, but she i this woman would be subject to - arrest and detention, but she might be able _ arrest and detention, but she might be able to— arrest and detention, but she might be able to stop _ arrest and detention, but she might be able to stop being _ arrest and detention, but she might be able to stop being removed - arrest and detention, but she mightj be able to stop being removed from the country— be able to stop being removed from the country if— be able to stop being removed from the country if she _ be able to stop being removed from the country if she then _ be able to stop being removed from the country if she then participatesl the country if she then participates in giving _

the country if she then participates in giving evidence _ the country if she then participates in giving evidence and _ the country if she then participates in giving evidence and being - the country if she then participates in giving evidence and being part. the country if she then participates| in giving evidence and being part of a police _ in giving evidence and being part of a police investigation. _ in giving evidence and being part of a police investigation. i— in giving evidence and being part of a police investigation. ithink- a police investigation. ithink that's— a police investigation. ithink that's what— a police investigation. ithink that's what you're _ a police investigation. ithink that's what you're saying. . a police investigation. ithink that's what you're saying. soj a police investigation. ithink- that's what you're saying. so she would _ that's what you're saying. so she would be — that's what you're saying. so she would be arrested _ that's what you're saying. so she would be arrested and _ that's what you're saying. so she would be arrested and detained i that's what you're saying. so shel would be arrested and detained in that case — would be arrested and detained in that case we _ would be arrested and detained in that case. we take _ would be arrested and detained in that case. we take our— would be arrested and detained in i that case. we take our commitments to modern— that case. we take our commitments to modern slavery— that case. we take our commitments to modern slavery very _ that case. we take our commitments to modern slavery very seriously, - that case. we take our commitments to modern slavery very seriously, we| to modern slavery very seriously, we are not— to modern slavery very seriously, we are not including _ to modern slavery very seriously, we are not including blanket— to modern slavery very seriously, we are not including blanket exclusionsl are not including blanket exclusions and legislation. _ are not including blanket exclusions and legislation. we _ are not including blanket exclusions and legislation.— and legislation. we have struck the ritht and legislation. we have struck the right balance _ and legislation. we have struck the right balance whereby _ and legislation. we have struck the right balance whereby genuine - right balance whereby genuine victims — right balance whereby genuine victims of modern slavery can still put in _ victims of modern slavery can still put in a _ victims of modern slavery can still put in a claim and if they are able to meet— put in a claim and if they are able to meet the — put in a claim and if they are able to meet the we've sat in the bill combined — to meet the we've sat in the bill combined with thresholds we are implementing at the moment in terms of objective and compelling evidence for their— of objective and compelling evidence for their reasonable ground claim, they are _ for their reasonable ground claim, they are part of a police investigation, we believe that will filter out— investigation, we believe that will filter out the vexatious claims of modern — filter out the vexatious claims of modern slavery. so filter out the vexatious claims of modern slavery.— filter out the vexatious claims of modern slavery. so she would be sub'ect to modern slavery. so she would be subject to arrest _ modern slavery. so she would be subject to arrest and _ modern slavery. so she would be subject to arrest and detention, i modern slavery. so she would be i subject to arrest and detention, she might— subject to arrest and detention, she might be _ subject to arrest and detention, she might be able — subject to arrest and detention, she might be able to _ subject to arrest and detention, she might be able to claim _ subject to arrest and detention, she might be able to claim this - might be able to claim this exemption _ might be able to claim this exemption if— might be able to claim this exemption if she's - might be able to claim this exemption if she's helping| might be able to claim this i exemption if she's helping the police — exemption if she's helping the police will— exemption if she's helping the police. will she _ exemption if she's helping the police. will she be _ exemption if she's helping the police. will she be allowed i exemption if she's helping the police. will she be allowed toi police. will she be allowed to access — police. will she be allowed to access the _ police. will she be allowed to access the support _ police. will she be allowed to access the support via - police. will she be allowed to access the support via the i police. will she be allowed to - access the support via the national referral— access the support via the national referral mechanism _ access the support via the national referral mechanism is _ access the support via the national referral mechanism is plagued i referral mechanism is plagued potentially. _ referral mechanism is plagued potentially. yes _ referral mechanism is plagued potentially, yes. if— referral mechanism is plagued potentially, yes.— potentially, yes. if she is eligible. _ potentially, yes. if she is

eligible. if _ potentially, yes. if she is eligible, if she _ potentially, yes. if she is eligible, if she meets i potentially, yes. if she is| eligible, if she meets the potentially, yes. if she is - eligible, if she meets the criteria we have — eligible, if she meets the criteria we have said, so if you missed officials — we have said, so if you missed officials we've set in our reasonable grounds guidance, objective and compelling evidence of bein- objective and compelling evidence of being a _ objective and compelling evidence of being a victim of modern slavery, if there _ being a victim of modern slavery, if there is— being a victim of modern slavery, if there is a _ being a victim of modern slavery, if there is a requirement by the police that she _ there is a requirement by the police that she or— there is a requirement by the police that she or he be staying here to participate in the investigation and if there _ participate in the investigation and if there is— participate in the investigation and if there is dart if she satisfies the criteria in modern slavery, then yes, the criteria in modern slavery, then yes. she _ the criteria in modern slavery, then yes. she may— the criteria in modern slavery, then yes, she may well be entitled to claim _ yes, she may well be entitled to claim support. it yes, she may well be entitled to claim support-— claim support. it is quite clear that we no _ claim support. it is quite clear that we no particularly - claim support. it is quite clear that we no particularly victimsj claim support. it is quite clear i that we no particularly victims of trafficking — that we no particularly victims of trafficking for— that we no particularly victims of trafficking for sexual— that we no particularly victims of| trafficking for sexual exploitation find it _ trafficking for sexual exploitation find it very — trafficking for sexual exploitation find it very difficult _ trafficking for sexual exploitation find it very difficult to _ trafficking for sexual exploitation find it very difficult to come - find it very difficult to come forward _ find it very difficult to come forward and _ find it very difficult to come forward and explain - find it very difficult to come forward and explain what'sl find it very difficult to come - forward and explain what's happened to them. _ forward and explain what's happened to them. it _ forward and explain what's happened to them, it takes _ forward and explain what's happened to them, it takes them _ forward and explain what's happened to them, it takes them quite - forward and explain what's happened to them, it takes them quite a - forward and explain what's happened to them, it takes them quite a long i to them, it takes them quite a long time to— to them, it takes them quite a long time to get— to them, it takes them quite a long time to get confidence _ to them, it takes them quite a long time to get confidence to _ to them, it takes them quite a long time to get confidence to do - to them, it takes them quite a long time to get confidence to do that. i time to get confidence to do that. at the _ time to get confidence to do that. at the moment. _ time to get confidence to do that. at the moment, because - time to get confidence to do that. at the moment, because of- time to get confidence to do that. at the moment, because of the i at the moment, because of the dramatic— at the moment, because of the dramatic and exponential increase in the number— dramatic and exponential increase in the number of claims which are being put into— the number of claims which are being put into a _ the number of claims which are being put into a modern slavery bill system. _ put into a modern slavery bill system, the delay has become

unacceptable, for what used to take 40 or— unacceptable, for what used to take 40 or 50 _ unacceptable, for what used to take 40 or 50 days to consider a reasonable grounds to cision is now taking _ reasonable grounds to cision is now taking 500 — reasonable grounds to cision is now taking 500 days, that's because the system _ taking 500 days, that's because the system has been overwhelmed by a lar-e system has been overwhelmed by a large number of meritless claims. these _ large number of meritless claims. these measures will actually free up our resources to better help those genuine _ our resources to better help those genuine victims of modern slavery more _ genuine victims of modern slavery more quickly. genuine victims of modern slavery more quickly-— more quickly. again, the anti-slavery _ more quickly. again, the i anti-slavery commissioner more quickly. again, the - anti-slavery commissioner doesn't anti—slavery commissioner doesn't agree _ anti—slavery commissioner doesn't agree and — anti—slavery commissioner doesn't agree and sister— anti—slavery commissioner doesn't agree and sister are _ anti—slavery commissioner doesn't agree and sister are more - anti—slavery commissioner doesn't agree and sister are more people. agree and sister are more people coming _ agree and sister are more people coming forward _ agree and sister are more people coming forward and _ agree and sister are more people coming forward and that - agree and sister are more people coming forward and that is- agree and sister are more people i coming forward and that is because of better— coming forward and that is because of better training _ coming forward and that is because of better training and _ coming forward and that is because of better training and better- of better training and better spotting _ of better training and better spotting of— of better training and better spotting of people - of better training and better spotting of people who i of better training and better. spotting of people who might of better training and better- spotting of people who might have been trafficked, _ spotting of people who might have been trafficked, so _ spotting of people who might have been trafficked, so that's - spotting of people who might have been trafficked, so that's where i spotting of people who might have. been trafficked, so that's where she says the _ been trafficked, so that's where she says the number— been trafficked, so that's where she says the number has _ been trafficked, so that's where she says the number has gone - been trafficked, so that's where she says the number has gone up- been trafficked, so that's where she says the number has gone up and ii says the number has gone up and i think— says the number has gone up and i think actually. _ says the number has gone up and i think actually, the _ says the number has gone up and i think actually, the former - says the number has gone up and i think actually, the former prime i think actually, the former prime minister— think actually, the former prime minister theresa _ think actually, the former prime minister theresa may— think actually, the former prime minister theresa may also - think actually, the former prime minister theresa may also takes think actually, the former prime i minister theresa may also takes that view. _ minister theresa may also takes that view. can _ minister theresa may also takes that view. can i _ minister theresa may also takes that view. can i also _ minister theresa may also takes that view. can i also ask— minister theresa may also takes that view. can i also ask you _ minister theresa may also takes that view. can i also ask you while - minister theresa may also takes that view. can i also ask you while we i view. can i also ask you while we were _ view. can i also ask you while we were talking _ view. can i also ask you while we were talking about _ view. can i also ask you while we were talking about this _ view. can i also ask you while we were talking about this issue i view. can i also ask you while we were talking about this issue of. were talking about this issue of illegal— were talking about this issue of illegal migration _ were talking about this issue of illegal migration bill, _ were talking about this issue of illegal migration bill, it- were talking about this issue of illegal migration bill, it is- were talking about this issue of illegal migration bill, it is 100. illegal migration bill, it is 100 days— illegal migration bill, it is 100 days since _ illegal migration bill, it is 100 days since the _ illegal migration bill, it is 100 days since the bill— illegal migration bill, it is 100 days since the bill was - illegal migration bill, it is 100 i days since the bill was introduced into the _ days since the bill was introduced into the commons, _ days since the bill was introduced into the commons, it _ days since the bill was introduced into the commons, it has - days since the bill was introduced into the commons, it has gone i into the commons, it has gone through— into the commons, it has gone through all— into the commons, it has gone through all its _ into the commons, it has gone through all its commons - into the commons, it has gonel through all its commons stages into the commons, it has gone i through all its commons stages and it is with _ through all its commons stages and it is with the — through all its commons stages and it is with the lords, _ through all its commons stages and it is with the lords, i— through all its commons stages and it is with the lords, ithink- through all its commons stages and it is with the lords, i think it's - it is with the lords, i think it's the final— it is with the lords, i think it's the final day— it is with the lords, i think it's the final day of— it is with the lords, i think it's the final day of the _ it is with the lords, i think it'sj the final day of the committee it is with the lords, i think it's - the final day of the committee stage there _ the final day of the committee stage there why— the final day of the committee stage there why have _ the final day of the committee stage there. why have we _ the final day of the committee stage there. why have we still— the final day of the committee stage there. why have we still not - the final day of the committee stage there. why have we still not got i the final day of the committee stage there. why have we still not got an i there. why have we still not got an

economic— there. why have we still not got an economic impact— there. why have we still not got an economic impact assessment? i there. why have we still not got an i economic impact assessment? well, there. why have we still not got an economic impact assessment? well, we obviously have — economic impact assessment? well, we obviously have produced _ economic impact assessment? well, we obviously have produced lots _ economic impact assessment? well, we obviously have produced lots of- obviously have produced lots of documents surrounding the need for the bill— documents surrounding the need for the bill again, documents surrounding the need for the billagain, i need to documents surrounding the need for the bill again, i need to fill out context. — the bill again, i need to fill out context, we have a very urgent problem — context, we have a very urgent problem here relating to illegal migration, it is one of the prime minister's — migration, it is one of the prime minister's parties and mine aa,000 minister's parties and mine 44,000 people _ minister's parties and mine 44,000 people across to channel illegally lastly. _ people across to channel illegally lastly, we spent six of the present day so _ lastly, we spent six of the present day so doing nothing is not an option. — i would like you to answer the question. _ i would like you to answer the question. why— i would like you to answer the question, why have _ i would like you to answer the question, why have we - i would like you to answer the question, why have we not. i would like you to answer the | question, why have we not got i would like you to answer the i question, why have we not got the economic— question, why have we not got the economic impact— question, why have we not got the economic impact assessment? i question, why have we not got the economic impact assessment? we question, why have we not got the - economic impact assessment? we need to know— economic impact assessment? we need to know how— economic impact assessment? we need to know how much— economic impact assessment? we need to know how much the _ economic impact assessment? we need to know how much the below— economic impact assessment? we need to know how much the below cost. - economic impact assessment? we need to know how much the below cost. me i to know how much the below cost. we will to know how much the below cost. will publish it in due course. to know how much the below cost. we will publish it in due course. what i will publish it in due course. what does that mean? _ will publish it in due course. what does that mean? it _ will publish it in due course. what does that mean? it will _ will publish it in due course. what does that mean? it will have finished _ does that mean? it will have finished all— does that mean? it will have finished all its _ does that mean? it will have finished all its stages - does that mean? it will have finished all its stages by i does that mean? it will have finished all its stages by the | does that mean? it will have - finished all its stages by the time we get _ finished all its stages by the time we get it — finished all its stages by the time we aet it. , , finished all its stages by the time weaetit. ,, finished all its stages by the time we et it. ,, a, we get it. the issue as there are many unknown _ we get it. the issue as there are many unknown factors. - we get it. the issue as there are many unknown factors. if- we get it. the issue as there are many unknown factors. if i - we get it. the issue as there are i many unknown factors. if i could finishes dawn _ many unknown factors. if i could finishes dawn i _ many unknown factors. if i could finishes dawn i am _ many unknown factors. if i could finishes dawn i am intrigued - many unknown factors. if i could | finishes dawn i am intrigued with what _ finishes dawn i am intrigued with what von're — finishes dawn i am intrigued with what you're saying. _ finishes dawn i am intrigued with what you're saying. there - finishes dawn i am intrigued with what you're saying. there are - finishes dawn i am intrigued with. what you're saying. there are many factors _

what you're saying. there are many factors of— what you're saying. there are many factors of the — what you're saying. there are many factors of the bill— what you're saying. there are many factors of the bill that _ what you're saying. there are many factors of the bill that are _ what you're saying. there are many factors of the bill that are unknown| factors of the bill that are unknown three _ factors of the bill that are unknown three quarters— factors of the bill that are unknown three quarters of— factors of the bill that are unknown three quarters of the _ factors of the bill that are unknown three quarters of the way- factors of the bill that are unknown three quarters of the way through i three quarters of the way through house _ three quarters of the way through house of— three quarters of the way through house of lords. _ three quarters of the way through house of lords.— house of lords. there are many unknown factors _ house of lords. there are many unknown factors upon _ house of lords. there are many unknown factors upon which - house of lords. there are many unknown factors upon which the bill's _ unknown factors upon which the bill's success is contention, i'm very— bill's success is contention, i'm very happy— bill's success is contention, i'm very happy to admit that. for example. _ very happy to admit that. for example, the delivery of a rundown agreement. we are currently in litigation — agreement. we are currently in litigation. —— rwanda agreement. we need to— litigation. —— rwanda agreement. we need to conclude our litigation relating — need to conclude our litigation relating to their rwanda agreement and once _ relating to their rwanda agreement and once we have a clear view of the operahitity_ and once we have a clear view of the operability of random confirmed by the courts, — operability of random confirmed by the courts, then we will be able to take a _ the courts, then we will be able to take a very— the courts, then we will be able to take a very firm view about the economic— take a very firm view about the economic impact of this bill, but i would _ economic impact of this bill, but i would also — economic impact of this bill, but i would also say, to my mind is pretty obvious— would also say, to my mind is pretty obvious what the economic impact of the bill_ obvious what the economic impact of the bill will— obvious what the economic impact of the bill will be, will stop spending £3 the bill will be, will stop spending 53 billion— the bill will be, will stop spending £3 billion a year on asylum costs, will stop. — £3 billion a year on asylum costs, will stop. is— £3 billion a year on asylum costs, will stop, is a bill that will lead to the — will stop, is a bill that will lead to the cessation of 45,000 people in hotels _ to the cessation of 45,000 people in hotels and _ to the cessation of 45,000 people in hotels and £6 million a day, into my there _ hotels and £6 million a day, into my there is— hotels and £6 million a day, into my there is a _ hotels and £6 million a day, into my there is a savings which we cannot ignore _ there is a savings which we cannot ianore. �* , ., there is a savings which we cannot ianore. . i. .,, ., there is a savings which we cannot ianore.�* .,, ., ,

there is a savings which we cannot ianore.�* ., , , ignore. are you able to help us with what the financial _ ignore. are you able to help us with what the financial assessment - ignore. are you able to help us with what the financial assessment of. what the financial assessment of retaining — what the financial assessment of retaining aii _ what the financial assessment of retaining all those _ what the financial assessment of retaining all those that _ what the financial assessment of retaining all those that we - what the financial assessment of retaining all those that we needi what the financial assessment of i retaining all those that we need to be detained — retaining all those that we need to be detained in— retaining all those that we need to be detained in the _ retaining all those that we need to be detained in the bill? _ retaining all those that we need to be detained in the bill? you - retaining all those that we need to be detained in the bill? you are i be detained in the bill? you are going _ be detained in the bill? you are going to — be detained in the bill? you are going to detain _ be detained in the bill? you are going to detain people - be detained in the bill? you are going to detain people for- be detained in the bill? you are going to detain people for at. be detained in the bill? you are i going to detain people for at least up going to detain people for at least up to— going to detain people for at least up to 28— going to detain people for at least up to 28 days _ going to detain people for at least up to 28 days so _ going to detain people for at least up to 28 days so what's _ going to detain people for at least up to 28 days so what's the - going to detain people for at least up to 28 days so what's the cost l going to detain people for at least| up to 28 days so what's the cost of that? _ up to 28 days so what's the cost of that? sign— up to 28 days so what's the cost of that? sign that— up to 28 days so what's the cost of that? sign that we _ up to 28 days so what's the cost of that? sign that we are _ up to 28 days so what's the cost of that? sign that we are keeping - up to 28 days so what's the cost of that? sign that we are keeping it l that? sign that we are keeping it under— that? sign that we are keeping it under review, _ that? sign that we are keeping it under review, that _ that? sign that we are keeping it under review, that is _ that? sign that we are keeping it under review, that is an- that? sign that we are keeping it. under review, that is an unknown, cannot— under review, that is an unknown, cannot predict— under review, that is an unknown, cannot predict the _ under review, that is an unknown, cannot predict the number- under review, that is an unknown, cannot predict the number of- under review, that is an unknown, . cannot predict the number of people who are _ cannot predict the number of people who are going — cannot predict the number of people who are going to _ cannot predict the number of people who are going to be _ cannot predict the number of people who are going to be arriving - cannot predict the number of people who are going to be arriving on- cannot predict the number of people who are going to be arriving on any. who are going to be arriving on any one day— who are going to be arriving on any one day iiiegaiiy~ _ who are going to be arriving on any one day illegally. we _ who are going to be arriving on any one day illegally. we have - who are going to be arriving on any one day illegally. we have past- one day illegally. we have past exoerience. _ one day illegally. we have past experience, but _ one day illegally. we have past experience, but we _ one day illegally. we have past experience, but we know - one day illegally. we have pasti experience, but we know these numbers — experience, but we know these numbers really _ experience, but we know these numbers really vary. _ experience, but we know these numbers really vary. when - experience, but we know these numbers really vary. when the | experience, but we know these i numbers really vary. when the bill comes— numbers really vary. when the bill comes in— numbers really vary. when the bill comes in due _ numbers really vary. when the bill comes in due course. _ numbers really vary. when the bill comes in due course. when- numbers really vary. when the bill comes in due course. when it - numbers really vary. when the bill. comes in due course. when it comes into force. _ comes in due course. when it comes into force. we — comes in due course. when it comes into force. we will _ comes in due course. when it comes into force, we will be _ comes in due course. when it comes into force, we will be able _ comes in due course. when it comes into force, we will be able to - comes in due course. when it comes into force, we will be able to take i into force, we will be able to take a view— into force, we will be able to take a view as— into force, we will be able to take a view as to — into force, we will be able to take a view as to how— into force, we will be able to take a view as to how and _ into force, we will be able to take a view as to how and how - into force, we will be able to take a view as to how and how quicklyl into force, we will be able to take i a view as to how and how quickly we are able _ a view as to how and how quickly we are able to _ a view as to how and how quickly we are able to operation _ a view as to how and how quickly we are able to operation —— _ are able to operation —— operationalise _ are able to operation —— operationalise our- are able to operation —— i operationalise our powers are able to operation —— - operationalise our powers and are able to operation —— _ operationalise our powers and that will form _ operationalise our powers and that will form the — operationalise our powers and that will form the costs. _ operationalise our powers and that will form the costs.— will form the costs. moving very cuickl to will form the costs. moving very quickly to the — will form the costs. moving very quickly to the backlog. - will form the costs. moving very quickly to the backlog. as - will form the costs. moving very quickly to the backlog. as of - will form the costs. moving veryi quickly to the backlog. as of the end of— quickly to the backlog. as of the end of november last year, the asylum — end of november last year, the asylum initial decision backlog was hundred _ asylum initial decision backlog was hundred and 30,292. that's what was published _ hundred and 30,292. that's what was

published. 0n the 28th of may it was at 137.593, _ published. 0n the 28th of may it was at 137,593, so ijust want to be clear. — at 137,593, so ijust want to be clear. it — at 137,593, so ijust want to be clear. it has _ at 137,593, so ijust want to be clear, it has the asylum backlog increased — clear, it has the asylum backlog increased or decreased under your watch? _ increased or decreased under your watch? . ,, ., ., ., watch? the backlog of initial decisions — watch? the backlog of initial decisions which _ watch? the backlog of initial decisions which predate - watch? the backlog of initial| decisions which predate 28th watch? the backlog of initial. decisions which predate 28th of watch? the backlog of initial- decisions which predate 28th ofjune decisions which predate 28th ofjune 2022. _ decisions which predate 28th ofjune 2022, the _ decisions which predate 28th ofjune 2022, the so—called _ decisions which predate 28th ofjune 2022, the so—called legacy- decisions which predate 28th ofjune 2022, the so—called legacy backlog i 2022, the so—called legacy backlog has decreased. _ 2022, the so—called legacy backlog has decreased. as _ 2022, the so—called legacy backlog has decreased. as of— 2022, the so—called legacy backlog has decreased. as of december- 2022, the so—called legacy backlog. has decreased. as of december when the prime _ has decreased. as of december when the prime minister— has decreased. as of december when the prime minister stood _ has decreased. as of december when the prime minister stood up - has decreased. as of december when the prime minister stood up and - has decreased. as of december when the prime minister stood up and said| the prime minister stood up and said their plan. _ the prime minister stood up and said their plan. that— the prime minister stood up and said their plan, that stood _ the prime minister stood up and said their plan, that stood at _ the prime minister stood up and said their plan, that stood at 90, - the prime minister stood up and said their plan, that stood at 90, just- their plan, that stood at 90, just over— their plan, that stood at 90, just over 92.000 _ their plan, that stood at 90, just over 92,000. that— their plan, that stood at 90, just over 92,000. that has— their plan, that stood at 90, just over 92,000. that has fallen - their plan, that stood at 90, just over 92,000. that has fallen by| over 92,000. that has fallen by about— over 92,000. that has fallen by about 17,000 _ over 92,000. that has fallen by about 17,000 at— over 92,000. that has fallen by about 17,000 at the _ over 92,000. that has fallen by about 17,000 at the most- over 92,000. that has fallen by| about 17,000 at the most recent count~ _ about 17,000 at the most recent count~ so — about 17,000 at the most recent count~ so the _ about 17,000 at the most recent count. so the backlog _ about 17,000 at the most recent count. so the backlog to - about 17,000 at the most recent count. so the backlog to which . about 17,000 at the most recent i count. so the backlog to which the prime _ count. so the backlog to which the prime minister— count. so the backlog to which the prime ministerand _ count. so the backlog to which the prime minister and myself- count. so the backlog to which the prime minister and myself have i prime minister and myself have consistently _ prime minister and myself have consistently referred _ prime minister and myself have consistently referred is - prime minister and myself have consistently referred is falling. i prime minister and myself have i consistently referred is falling. we also have — consistently referred is falling. we also have inflowing _ consistently referred is falling. we also have inflowing cases - consistently referred is falling. we also have inflowing cases which i also have inflowing cases which bostdate — also have inflowing cases which postdate the _ also have inflowing cases which postdate the 28th _ also have inflowing cases which postdate the 28th of _ also have inflowing cases which postdate the 28th ofjune - also have inflowing cases which postdate the 28th ofjune and l also have inflowing cases which . postdate the 28th ofjune and run also have inflowing cases which - postdate the 28th ofjune and run up to today _ postdate the 28th ofjune and run up to today it _ postdate the 28th ofjune and run up to today it is— postdate the 28th ofjune and run up to today. it is absolutely— to today. it is absolutely impossible _ to today. it is absolutely impossible to _ to today. it is absolutely impossible to ever - to today. it is absolutely impossible to ever get l that number two let's leave that questioning _ that number two let's leave that questioning there _ that number two let's leave that questioning there of— that number two let's leave that questioning there of the - that number two let's leave that

questioning there of the home l questioning there of the home secretary and go to a dcms committee hearing with dame carolyn mccall, the itv chief exec, by the culture of the channel. let's listen in. including some current and former presenters on itv. for example, piers morgan said, and i quote, everybody at itv knew what was happening, james haskell said i knew about this, everyone knew. kevin maguire said we had all heard the rumours. can i ask you from your vantage point as the chief executive at itv, do you class yourself in the category of the vast majority of people who seem to know what was going on are you telling us that everyone else knew what was going on but somehow you and holly willoughby were the only ones who did not know? yes, chair, if you don't mind i'd just like to say thank you very much for inviting me in here, my colleagues. we have taken these issues extremely seriously, as i

hope you know. we are critically glad we are talking about duty of care in some detail, we look forward to that, under culture. in every company i've ever worked for... my track record, i've put people at the centre. i've always treat people well, always wanted people to come into a place where they feel comfortable, where they can speak up, speak out, be themselves. and where they are happy to come to work. we, one of the reasons we asked the kc to come in and look at this, the whole thing, is because we will always want to learn to listen, to act, so whatever emerges from the kc inquiry, we will learn from it because there will be lessons. no organisation can do anything perfectly. and we certainly are not saying we have. i think the kc coming and kind of demonstrates our commitment to improving and evolving everything we do at all times. a

good example of that is actually duty of care where since 2018, since ijoined, we review dates and strengthened it significantly and we will talk about that in some detail today. another reason goes to your point about who knew what. another reason for welcoming this is that there are huge numbers of opinions, speculation, misinformation out there and we look forward to making clear the facts that we know. so, thank you again, i'm just going to go straight to your question about the common theme. for people that have said they knew would only have heard rumours about it. if any one of the individuals who have named our reference had come to us and said there is evidence that there is a relationship between phillip schofield and person x, we would have come up with evidence, been

able to launch a formal investigation. because the imbalance of power, the imbalance of dynamics and that relationship makes it deeply inappropriate, and we have policies that say that very clearly, and so one of the things i hope you will see us we go through this is that we worked very, very hard for many, many months, in fact, that we worked very, very hard for many, many months, infact, until recently, to ask people, notjust phillip schofield and person x, but people in production if they had, if something was going on, and it was repeatedly denied by both individuals, but also no one in the team ever said there was anything they could see... most of them said we don't know what is going on. lanthem we don't know what is going on. when did ou we don't know what is going on. when did you personally _ we don't know what is going on. when did you personally first _ we don't know what is going on. when did you personally first become aware of the shroomish? i

did you personally first become aware of the shroomish? i really became aware _ aware of the shroomish? i really became aware of— aware of the shroomish? i really became aware of those - aware of the shroomish? i really became aware of those rumours| aware of the shroomish? i really - became aware of those rumours when philip came out in february 2020. that is the first time things got really virile, media was awash with some extremely nasty comments about phillip as you would expect, but also just a whole swathe of things about him as a person and just... there was a lot of speculation and rumour out there, so integrity 2020 is when kevin and i spoke about it and we started looking at it —— for bay 2020, and started looking in december 19 but the noise wrapped up in 2020. ~ ., december 19 but the noise wrapped up in 2020. . ., i. �* december 19 but the noise wrapped up in2020.~ ., a , december19 but the noise wrapped up in2020.~ ., a , ~ in 2020. what you're saying is, like the vast majority — in 2020. what you're saying is, like the vast majority of _ in 2020. what you're saying is, like the vast majority of people - in 2020. what you're saying is, like the vast majority of people within l the vast majority of people within itv, you were aware of the rumours about this relationship, but following investigation that were carried out in the denial she received from all parties, you are

satisfied that the rumours were entirely false? it is that correct? what i'm saying is, i don't know if it is the vast majority of itv, you have named three people who are high—profile individuals who say they knew. if they knew, why didn't they knew. if they knew, why didn't they say something to kevin? kevin has conversations with all of those people as talent all the time. number one, i don't know if it is the vast majority of itv people, i don't accept that, it certainly doesn't feel like that read. right? the second thing is, in february 2020, it was hard to miss the amount of coverage about phillip when he came out and therefore i obviously new and social media in particular that there was huge amount of comment about him being gay, how long had he been gay, how long as he lived a lie? they were all sorts of aspirations that crossed over to his brother, —— aspersions, there was

lots of horrible stuff out there and we said we need to establish whether this is rumour, speculation and it is malicious or whether there is something we need to worry about here. �* something we need to worry about here. . , ., something we need to worry about here. . ., . here. and you were given reassurance b both here. and you were given reassurance by both parties? _ here. and you were given reassurance by both parties? if _ here. and you were given reassurance by both parties? if it's _ here. and you were given reassurance by both parties? if it's all— here. and you were given reassurance by both parties? if it's all right - by both parties? if it's all right with you. _ by both parties? if it's all right with you, chair, _ by both parties? if it's all right with you, chair, i'd _ by both parties? if it's all right with you, chair, i'd like - by both parties? if it's all right with you, chair, i'd like calor,| by both parties? if it's all right i with you, chair, i'd like calor, not as company secretary, she is also director and runs compliance and also... —— kyla. i like to go to the sequence so you can see what we did to establish whether anything was going on. we to establish whether anything was auoin on. ~ , to establish whether anything was hoin on, . , ., , to establish whether anything was uuoinon. , . , , going on. we first really became aware of speculation _ going on. we first really became aware of speculation and - going on. we first really became aware of speculation and social i aware of speculation and social media — aware of speculation and social media speculation which was triggered by a newspaper article on the 6th— triggered by a newspaper article on the 6th of— triggered by a newspaper article on the 6th of december 2019. and in that article, there was a reference. it that article, there was a reference. it was _ that article, there was a reference. it was an— that article, there was a reference. it was an article with many allegations and a lot of commentary about— allegations and a lot of commentary about this _ allegations and a lot of commentary about this morning and about the relationship between phil and holly

and other— relationship between phil and holly and other presenters in that, but also there — and other presenters in that, but also there was a reference to phillib's _ also there was a reference to phillip's pa and personal runner moving — phillip's pa and personal runner moving to — phillip's pa and personal runner moving to a different programme display— moving to a different programme display the previous close friendship with him. those were the words _ friendship with him. those were the words and — friendship with him. those were the words. and there was a huge amount of media _ words. and there was a huge amount of media speculation. our head of daytime _ of media speculation. our head of daytime and head of production on that day— daytime and head of production on that day spoke to person x because he was _ that day spoke to person x because he was being inundated by press, by journalist _ he was being inundated by press, by journalist contacting him, was aware of social— journalist contacting him, was aware of social media and they asked the question— of social media and they asked the question at that stage, is there any truth _ question at that stage, is there any truth in _ question at that stage, is there any truth in this? it is there anything we need — truth in this? it is there anything we need to— truth in this? it is there anything we need to know about a relationship with phillip— we need to know about a relationship with phillip schofield and the answer— with phillip schofield and the answer was a categorical novel. he was traumatised by the intrusion on his personal life and our focus move swiftly— his personal life and our focus move swiftly to _ his personal life and our focus move swiftly to duty of care for him and trying _ swiftly to duty of care for him and trying to — swiftly to duty of care for him and trying to make sure we could support him in _ trying to make sure we could support him in whatever ways where

appropriate to handle the social media _ appropriate to handle the social media intrusion on his life. conversations with them continued in january. _ conversations with them continued in january, again the focus on duty of care but— january, again the focus on duty of care but also asking question each time, _ care but also asking question each time, so _ care but also asking question each time, so we — care but also asking question each time, so we hired hr involvement by this stage. _ time, so we hired hr involvement by this stage, the head of production, his continued having dialogue with person— his continued having dialogue with person x— his continued having dialogue with person x over the last three years at intervals, person x and our head of hr_ at intervals, person x and our head of hr for— at intervals, person x and our head of hr for daytime spoke to him on many— of hr for daytime spoke to him on many occasions, focusing on his welfare — many occasions, focusing on his welfare but also using the opportunity to ask the questions. i think— opportunity to ask the questions. i think he _ opportunity to ask the questions. i think he was asked the question 12 times— think he was asked the question 12 times and — think he was asked the question 12 times and we have logs of the conversations that were had with him _ conversations that were had with him at — conversations that were had with him. at each stage she categorically denied _ him. at each stage she categorically denied it _ him. at each stage she categorically denied it. when phillip came out on the 7th _ denied it. when phillip came out on the 7th of— denied it. when phillip came out on the 7th of february i believe it was in 2020, _ the 7th of february i believe it was in 2020, again, a spike in social

media _ in 2020, again, a spike in social media commentary and, again, there are meetings with person x and questions — are meetings with person x and questions with him. in parallel at that stage, serious conversations with phillip schofield and his agent, — with phillip schofield and his agent, very direct conversations with his — agent, very direct conversations with his engine and it was kevin who can talk— with his engine and it was kevin who can talk to _ with his engine and it was kevin who can talk to those, also our head of daytime _ can talk to those, also our head of daytime under editor in daytime. at each stage — daytime under editor in daytime. at each stage we had various levels of management asking questions of both individuals. also of phillip's agent and in _ individuals. also of phillip's agent and in addition, as has been mentioned, there were various conversations with people on the production floor, head of production as people _ production floor, head of production as people working in both this morning — as people working in both this morning and loose women who might have been— morning and loose women who might have been closer to person x to try and establish where there are any facts. _ and establish where there are any facts, where they aware of any truth in this— facts, where they aware of any truth in this matter? any answer at each stage _ in this matter? any answer at each stage was— in this matter? any answer at each stage was no. we conducted all of those _ stage was no. we conducted all of those conversations at that time, no one came _ those conversations at that time, no one came forward with any evidence,

straightforward categorical denials each time it was asked and conversations continued, also in may this year. _ conversations continued, also in may this year, right up to the day when phillip _ this year, right up to the day when phillip finally admitted she had been _ phillip finally admitted she had been lying to us and at each stage denials _ been lying to us and at each stage denials. kevin, idon't been lying to us and at each stage denials. kevin, i don't know if you want _ denials. kevin, i don't know if you want tom — denials. kevin, i don't know if you want to---— denials. kevin, i don't know if you want to... ~ , ~' want to... when diverse no? i think when phillip — want to... when diverse no? i think when phillip decided _ want to... when diverse no? i think when phillip decided he _ want to... when diverse no? i think when phillip decided he wanted - want to... when diverse no? i think when phillip decided he wanted to l when phillip decided he wanted to come _ when phillip decided he wanted to come out — when phillip decided he wanted to come out -- — when phillip decided he wanted to come out —— when _ when phillip decided he wanted to come out —— when diverse - when phillip decided he wanted to come out —— when diverse no? . when phillip decided he wanted tol come out —— when diverse no? the ancient _ come out —— when diverse no? the ancient contacted _ come out —— when diverse no? the ancient contacted the _ come out —— when diverse no? the ancient contacted the head - come out —— when diverse no? the ancient contacted the head of- ancient contacted the head of daytime — ancient contacted the head of daytime and _ ancient contacted the head of daytime and the _ ancient contacted the head of daytime and the producer- ancient contacted the head of- daytime and the producer programme and said _ daytime and the producer programme and said we — daytime and the producer programme and said i've been— daytime and the producer programme and said i've been thinking _ daytime and the producer programme and said i've been thinking about- and said i've been thinking about this for— and said i've been thinking about this for a — and said i've been thinking about this for a long _ and said i've been thinking about this for a long time, _ and said i've been thinking about this for a long time, i— and said i've been thinking about this for a long time, i want - and said i've been thinking about this for a long time, i want to- and said i've been thinking about. this for a long time, i want to come out on _ this for a long time, i want to come out on air. — this for a long time, i want to come out on air. so— this for a long time, i want to come out on air, so that _ this for a long time, i want to come out on air, so that was _ this for a long time, i want to come out on air, so that was discussed i out on air, so that was discussed and i_ out on air, so that was discussed and i think— out on air, so that was discussed and i think when _ out on air, so that was discussed and i think when they _ out on air, so that was discussed and i think when they had - out on air, so that was discussed and i think when they had had i out on air, so that was discussed and i think when they had had a i and i think when they had had a discussion— and i think when they had had a discussion i_ and i think when they had had a discussion i was— and i think when they had had a discussion i was called - and i think when they had had a discussion i was called about i and i think when they had had a discussion i was called about iti discussion i was called about it saying — discussion i was called about it saying there's _ discussion i was called about it saying there's going _ discussion i was called about it saying there's going to - discussion i was called about it saying there's going to be - discussion i was called about it saying there's going to be a i discussion i was called about it| saying there's going to be a big thing _ saying there's going to be a big thing tomorrow, _ saying there's going to be a big thing tomorrow, what - saying there's going to be a big thing tomorrow, what do - saying there's going to be a big thing tomorrow, what do you . saying there's going to be a big - thing tomorrow, what do you think? if thing tomorrow, what do you think? if that's _ thing tomorrow, what do you think? if that's what — thing tomorrow, what do you think? if that's what he _ thing tomorrow, what do you think? if that's what he wants _ thing tomorrow, what do you think? if that's what he wants to _ thing tomorrow, what do you think? if that's what he wants to do, - thing tomorrow, what do you think? if that's what he wants to do, 0k. . if that's what he wants to do, 0k. phillip _ if that's what he wants to do, 0k. phillip presents _ if that's what he wants to do, 0k. phillip presents the _ if that's what he wants to do, 0k. phillip presents the programme . phillip presents the programme monday— phillip presents the programme monday - — phillip presents the programme monday — thursday, _ phillip presents the programme monday — thursday, he - phillip presents the programme monday — thursday, he doesn't| monday — thursday, he doesn't friday. — monday — thursday, he doesn't friday. so— monday — thursday, he doesn't friday, so this _ monday — thursday, he doesn't friday, so this was _ monday — thursday, he doesn't friday, so this was all - monday — thursday, he doesn't friday, so this was all of - monday — thursday, he doesn't friday, so this was all of their. monday — thursday, he doesn't. friday, so this was all of their see any came — friday, so this was all of their see any came out— friday, so this was all of their see any came out the _ friday, so this was all of their see any came out the next _ friday, so this was all of their see any came out the next day-

friday, so this was all of their see any came out the next day when i friday, so this was all of their see i any came out the next day when he didn't— any came out the next day when he didn't then — any came out the next day when he didn't then have _ any came out the next day when he didn't then have to _ any came out the next day when he didn't then have to present- any came out the next day when he didn't then have to present the - didn't then have to present the entire — didn't then have to present the entire programme, _ didn't then have to present the entire programme, he - didn't then have to present the entire programme, he did- didn't then have to present the entire programme, he did it. didn't then have to present thej entire programme, he did it on didn't then have to present the l entire programme, he did it on a show— entire programme, he did it on a show he — entire programme, he did it on a show he was _ entire programme, he did it on a show he was presenting - entire programme, he did it on a show he was presenting that - entire programme, he did it on a| show he was presenting that they entire programme, he did it on a - show he was presenting that they —— wasn't _ show he was presenting that they —— wasn't presenting _ show he was presenting that they —— wasn't presenting that _ show he was presenting that they —— wasn't presenting that day. - show he was presenting that they —— wasn't presenting that day. i- show he was presenting that they —— wasn't presenting that day. i went i wasn't presenting that day. i went down _ wasn't presenting that day. i went down the — wasn't presenting that day. i went down the next _ wasn't presenting that day. i went down the next morning _ wasn't presenting that day. i went down the next morning to - wasn't presenting that day. i went down the next morning to the - wasn't presenting that day. i went. down the next morning to the studio to see _ down the next morning to the studio to see fellow. — down the next morning to the studio to see fellow, to _ down the next morning to the studio to see fellow, to see _ down the next morning to the studio to see fellow, to see how— down the next morning to the studio to see fellow, to see how he - down the next morning to the studio to see fellow, to see how he was, i to see fellow, to see how he was, there _ to see fellow, to see how he was, there were — to see fellow, to see how he was, there were various _ to see fellow, to see how he was, there were various people - to see fellow, to see how he was, | there were various people around, to see fellow, to see how he was, - there were various people around, he was really— there were various people around, he was really agitated _ there were various people around, he was really agitated and _ there were various people around, he was really agitated and nervous - there were various people around, he was really agitated and nervous and l was really agitated and nervous and i was really agitated and nervous and i remember— was really agitated and nervous and i remember saying— was really agitated and nervous and i remember saying to _ was really agitated and nervous and i remember saying to him _ was really agitated and nervous and i remember saying to him you - was really agitated and nervous and i remember saying to him you don'tj i remember saying to him you don't have to _ i remember saying to him you don't have to do — i remember saying to him you don't have to do this _ i remember saying to him you don't have to do this now _ i remember saying to him you don't have to do this now if _ i remember saying to him you don't have to do this now if you _ i remember saying to him you don't have to do this now if you don't - have to do this now if you don't want _ have to do this now if you don't want to. — have to do this now if you don't want to. you _ have to do this now if you don't want to, you don't _ have to do this now if you don't want to, you don't have - have to do this now if you don't want to, you don't have to - have to do this now if you don't want to, you don't have to do l have to do this now if you don'tj want to, you don't have to do it have to do this now if you don't i want to, you don't have to do it on tv if— want to, you don't have to do it on tv if you _ want to, you don't have to do it on tv if you don't _ want to, you don't have to do it on tv if you don't want _ want to, you don't have to do it on tv if you don't want to, _ want to, you don't have to do it on tv if you don't want to, he - want to, you don't have to do it on tv if you don't want to, he said . want to, you don't have to do it on| tv if you don't want to, he said no, this is— tv if you don't want to, he said no, this is absolutely— tv if you don't want to, he said no, this is absolutely the _ tv if you don't want to, he said no, this is absolutely the well- tv if you don't want to, he said no, this is absolutely the well in - tv if you don't want to, he said no, this is absolutely the well in that i this is absolutely the well in that to do— this is absolutely the well in that to do this. — this is absolutely the well in that to do this. i_ this is absolutely the well in that to do this, i have _ this is absolutely the well in that to do this, i have been— this is absolutely the well in that to do this, i have been thinking i to do this, i have been thinking about— to do this, i have been thinking about this. _ to do this, i have been thinking about this, this _ to do this, i have been thinking about this, this in _ to do this, i have been thinking about this, this in a _ to do this, i have been thinking about this, this in a sudden - about this, this in a sudden decision. _ about this, this in a sudden decision, been— about this, this in a sudden decision, been talking - about this, this in a suddenl decision, been talking about about this, this in a sudden - decision, been talking about this with my— decision, been talking about this with my family. _ decision, been talking about this with my family, it _ decision, been talking about this with my family, it is _ decision, been talking about this with my family, it isjust- decision, been talking about this with my family, it is just a - decision, been talking about this i with my family, it isjust a moment now and _ with my family, it isjust a moment now and i_ with my family, it isjust a moment nowand i want— with my family, it isjust a moment now and i want to _ with my family, it isjust a moment now and i want to do _ with my family, it isjust a moment now and i want to do it. _ with my family, it isjust a moment now and i want to do it. i— with my family, it isjust a moment now and i want to do it. i said - with my family, it isjust a moment now and i want to do it. i said ok. i now and i want to do it. i said ok. there— now and i want to do it. i said ok. there was— now and i want to do it. i said ok. there wasa— now and i want to do it. i said ok. there was a moment _ now and i want to do it. i said ok. there was a moment where - now and i want to do it. i said ok. there was a moment where we i now and i want to do it. i said ok. . there was a moment where we were alone _ there was a moment where we were alone and _ there was a moment where we were alone and i_ there was a moment where we were alone and i said _ there was a moment where we were alone and i said look, _ there was a moment where we were alone and i said look, don't - there was a moment where we were alone and i said look, don't worry. alone and i said look, don't worry about— alone and i said look, don't worry about itv — alone and i said look, don't worry about itv supporting _ alone and i said look, don't worry about itv supporting it— alone and i said look, don't worry about itv supporting it through . about itv supporting it through this. _ about itv supporting it through this. it's — about itv supporting it through this, it's fine by— about itv supporting it through this, it's fine by us _ about itv supporting it through this, it's fine by us if _ about itv supporting it through this, it's fine by us if you - about itv supporting it through this, it's fine by us if you wanti about itv supporting it through i this, it's fine by us if you want to do, this, it's fine by us if you want to do. what — this, it's fine by us if you want to do, what though... _ this, it's fine by us if you want to do, what though... is— this, it's fine by us if you want to do, what though... is there - this, it's fine by us if you want to - do, what though... is there anything that you _ do, what though... is there anything that you want — do, what though... is there anything that you want to _ do, what though... is there anything that you want to tell _ do, what though... is there anything that you want to tell me _ do, what though... is there anything that you want to tell me now? - that you want to tell me now? anything — that you want to tell me now? anything we _ that you want to tell me now? anything we should _ that you want to tell me now? anything we should know- that you want to tell me now? anything we should know that| that you want to tell me now? - anything we should know that has prompted — anything we should know that has prompted this _ anything we should know that has prompted this or— anything we should know that has prompted this or you _ anything we should know that has prompted this or you want - anything we should know that has prompted this or you want to - anything we should know that hasi prompted this or you want to share with us— prompted this or you want to share with us now— prompted this or you want to share with us now because _ prompted this or you want to share

with us now because it _ prompted this or you want to share with us now because it is _ prompted this or you want to share with us now because it is fine - prompted this or you want to share with us now because it is fine but l with us now because it is fine but we don't — with us now because it is fine but we don't want _ with us now because it is fine but we don't want suddenly- with us now because it is fine but| we don't want suddenly tomorrow with us now because it is fine but. we don't want suddenly tomorrow or the next _ we don't want suddenly tomorrow or the next day— we don't want suddenly tomorrow or the next day to— we don't want suddenly tomorrow or the next day to hear— we don't want suddenly tomorrow or the next day to hear something - we don't want suddenly tomorrow or the next day to hear something we i the next day to hear something we didn't— the next day to hear something we didn't know— the next day to hear something we didn't know about _ the next day to hear something we didn't know about and _ the next day to hear something we didn't know about and be - the next day to hear something we i didn't know about and be blindsided by it _ didn't know about and be blindsided by it and _ didn't know about and be blindsided by it and he — didn't know about and be blindsided by it. and he absolutely— by it. and he absolutely categorically _ by it. and he absolutely categorically said, - by it. and he absolutely categorically said, no, i by it. and he absolutely- categorically said, no, there is nothing. — categorically said, no, there is nothing. this— categorically said, no, there is nothing, this is— categorically said, no, there is nothing, this is a _ categorically said, no, there is nothing, this is a private - categorically said, no, there is. nothing, this is a private matter and i_ nothing, this is a private matter and i want — nothing, this is a private matter and i want to— nothing, this is a private matter and i want to get— nothing, this is a private matter and i want to get it _ nothing, this is a private matter and i want to get it out - nothing, this is a private matter and i want to get it out there i and i want to get it out there because _ and i want to get it out there because we _ and i want to get it out there because i've been _ and i want to get it out there because i've been thinking . and i want to get it out there - because i've been thinking about it for so _ because i've been thinking about it for so long. — because i've been thinking about it for so long. so— because i've been thinking about it for so long, so that _ because i've been thinking about it for so long, so that was _ because i've been thinking about it for so long, so that was it, - because i've been thinking about it for so long, so that was it, really. i for so long, so that was it, really. from _ for so long, so that was it, really. from what— for so long, so that was it, really. from what you're _ for so long, so that was it, really. from what you're it _ for so long, so that was it, really. from what you're it sounds - for so long, so that was it, really. from what you're it sounds to - for so long, so that was it, really. from what you're it sounds to me| from what you're it sounds to me like you regard the effort she went to to chase this up as being adequate, i'm not going to put words in your mouth, did you think they were adequate and competent? what in your mouth, did you think they were adequate and competent? what we think about this — were adequate and competent? what we think about this is, _ were adequate and competent? what we think about this is, remember, _ were adequate and competent? what we think about this is, remember, there - think about this is, remember, there is another important bit of the timeline, on march 2018, all itv employees were sent home because lockdown started and this was very close on two march 2020, did i say 18? it's important, because this.

because no one was at work and actually person x was put on furlough for nine months, so it is an important then, over that time our head of production had a duty of care conversations with him, but nothing else. it's important in terms of the process we went through that it stopped in march for reasons of lockdown. what we would say is that we had done, we feel, from a process perspective, but also from a human perspective, we asked multiple times of both individuals, both formally and informally, and so we felt that was proportionate to what we had, because we had no evidence, no one brought us anything tangible, either on the production floor or from the outside, there was only hearsay and rumour and speculation. the other thing we would say is that

we were very, very concerned about the state of mind of both phillip and person x, so phillip was not in and person x, so phillip was not in a good state as kevin will tell you, when he came out. very anxious, very worried, very nervous, worried about the social media backlash, all of those things. and person x could not relate grasp the media intrusion that was so prevalent in his life now. and so we had to balance how we asked questions and we did ask them formally, there were meetings, hr was present, so we did a balance of informal, is there anything we need to know, how can we help you to person x? how can we help you? what more do we need to know? you can do this confidentially, anonymously, talk to a counsellor, just because we wanted to make it easier for him because you are not used to being in

the press as often or in social media when you are in that position. so we were very mindful of our duty of care obligations butjust as a human being, not making what was a very difficult situation for person x and actually also phillip worse. we make sense to me as though you were saying the investigation was thorough and the decisions that you made... ~ ., thorough and the decisions that you made- - -_ can i i made... were well founded. can i 'ust sa made... were well founded. can i just say was _ made... were well founded. can i just say was not — made... were well founded. can i just say was not an _ made... were well founded. can i just say was not an investigation, | made... were well founded. can i| just say was not an investigation, i would not qualify this as an investigation, it was a review, an ongoing review, that every time there were periods of intense speculation we went in and asked more questions, but it was an ongoing review.— more questions, but it was an ongoing review. with the assertion then leading _ ongoing review. with the assertion then leading from _ ongoing review. with the assertion then leading from that _ ongoing review. with the assertion then leading from that be - ongoing review. with the assertion then leading from that be that - ongoing review. with the assertion then leading from that be that if i then leading from that be that if you could go back in time and do it all again you would do it exactly the same way and would probably have reached the same conclusion? ithink reached the same conclusion? i think that if we had — reached the same conclusion? i think that if we had time _ reached the same conclusion? i think that if we had time again, _ reached the same conclusion? i think

that if we had time again, let's - that if we had time again, let's see, i'm not hiding behind the kc, but let's see what they casey says because that's one of the things we want to learn, is there anything we could have done or spotted chris back at the moment, we can't see what that is, because we did interview both individuals as i've said, but also other people. we have a very, very clear and loud speaking up a very, very clear and loud speaking up policy, we really do. i mean, the vast majority of people when they reply to surveys that we do on this say that they feel confident that we will act if they speak up. that comes from a tangible quantitative survey, so we have done and we can talk about her speak up policy later, anybody at any time could have confidentially gone to our helpline, safe call, it's completely anonymous, run by an external company, they could have at any time said something about this, we had none of that. so therefore we feel

in the circumstances, and with what we had, that we had no legal reasons to go any further with an investigation. if we had any evidence we would have done a formal investigation, we had no evidence. absolutely it is not in our interest in any way not to investigate something that we know has evidence to support it. put it another way, had we gone into with no legal reason into a formal investigation it would have caused a huge amount of damage, i think. the mental health issues around the strained... the psychological strain on person x etc would have been quite intense. and so we didn't have any legal grounds to do that. this and so we didn't have any legal grounds to do that.— and so we didn't have any legal grounds to do that. as far as you are concerned _ grounds to do that. as far as you are concerned there _ grounds to do that. as far as you are concerned there is _ grounds to do that. as far as you are concerned there is no - are concerned there is no circumstances under which you could possibly have inadvertently or prosperously turned a blind eye to some serious shortcomings at this

morning because it was an incredibly commercially successful programme? it is nothing to do with it being commercially successful, it really isn't, all the shows are actually commercially successful, you can say that about every single one of our shows, there is not a show at itv, because we are a commercial psp, thatis because we are a commercial psp, that is unsuccessful. it is nothing to do with commercial success. it is entirely to do with how we were trying to look after people that we were also trying to ask and we did ask questions repeatedly, continuously and where repeatedly told there was nothing happening. and i also said that as we see it today, our understanding and information so far is that we could not have done this differently, but if the kc does say and recommend that in future we should do any aspects differently, we will listen, we will learn and we will act. but today... and their... nobody would

be turning a blind eye to something. it is not a blind eye. nobody here or on the management board would ever turn a blind eye to something as serious as this. the ever turn a blind eye to something as serious as this.— as serious as this. the only thing i would say in _ as serious as this. the only thing i would say in response _ as serious as this. the only thing i would say in response to - as serious as this. the only thing i would say in response to that - as serious as this. the only thing i would say in response to that is i would say in response to that is that surely you are aware the same imbalance of power that allowed mr phillip to enter into what is called this inappropriate relationship would also be employee if he was seeking to keep that relationship secret so you need to ensure you've got in place a system where processes somehow find a way around that. let processes somehow find a way around that. , , ., ., ., that. let us tell you what our s stems that. let us tell you what our systems and _ that. let us tell you what our systems and processes - that. let us tell you what our systems and processes are i that. let us tell you what our| systems and processes are to that. let us tell you what our - systems and processes are to ensure that that doesn't happen perhaps you could talk about our speaking up and safeguarding policies. we could talk about our speaking up and safeguarding policies.— safeguarding policies. we will come to that later — safeguarding policies. we will come to that later on, _ safeguarding policies. we will come to that later on, but _ safeguarding policies. we will come to that later on, but we _ safeguarding policies. we will come to that later on, but we have - safeguarding policies. we will come to that later on, but we have a - safeguarding policies. we will come to that later on, but we have a few| to that later on, but we have a few other questions we want to get to first. just very briefly, we as a committee are very concerned about the welfare

of the individuals involved here. in particular phillip schofield but most of all person x. could you tells will support you are giving to them at this moment in time and whether that will continue into the future? element we've remained in touch with phillip as you would expect that he is receiving counselling.— expect that he is receiving counselling. expect that he is receiving counsellinu. ., counselling. itv are funding the counselling _ counselling. itv are funding the counselling and _ counselling. itv are funding the counselling and he _ counselling. itv are funding the counselling and he asked - counselling. itv are funding the counselling and he asked for. counselling. itv are funding the l counselling and he asked for that and we're very happy do that. with person x, there is a whole series of duty of care all the way through. even though he left the company in 2021, we have constantly given him aspects of duty of care as recently aspects of duty of care as recently as last week. so do you want to highlight some of that duty of care? certainly. as i said earlier, the director— certainly. as i said earlier, the director of— certainly. as i said earlier, the director of the head of production, who was— director of the head of production, who was involved in having the initial— who was involved in having the initial conversations with him has

been _ initial conversations with him has been continuing those conversations with him _ been continuing those conversations with him throughout, is in contact with him throughout, is in contact with him — with him throughout, is in contact with him not on a daily basis at the moment— with him not on a daily basis at the moment but on a regular basis at the moment, _ moment but on a regular basis at the moment, we've offered him an ongoing package _ moment, we've offered him an ongoing package of— moment, we've offered him an ongoing package of support, including counselling, we have given some support— counselling, we have given some support when there was media intrusion, _ support when there was media intrusion, physical media intrusion at his_ intrusion, physical media intrusion at his parents home and also in his workplace, — at his parents home and also in his workplace, we offer support renan have been— workplace, we offer support renan have been offering support and trying — have been offering support and trying to — have been offering support and trying to help him manage to and social— trying to help him manage to and social media, so there is a package of support— social media, so there is a package of support and that is ongoing, we are in— of support and that is ongoing, we are in discussion with the, last every— are in discussion with the, last every couple of days ago. we are seeinu every couple of days ago. we are seeing reports — every couple of days ago. we are seeing reports that _ every couple of days ago. we are seeing reports that he _ every couple of days ago. we are seeing reports that he doesn't i every couple of days ago. we are i seeing reports that he doesn't want to speak and he wants it to die in galway, which i fully understand but if wanted to speak out, you're not aware of any to prevent him? there

is no impediment, _ aware of any to prevent him? there is no impediment, there _ aware of any to prevent him? there is no impediment, there are - aware of any to prevent him? there is no impediment, there are no - aware of any to prevent him? there is no impediment, there are no nda is no impediment, there are no nda is no— is no impediment, there are no nda is no impediment, there are no nda is no impediment, there are no nda is, gagging— is no impediment, there are no nda is, gagging orders, nothing in place from our— is, gagging orders, nothing in place from our perspective that was stapped — from our perspective that was stopped them speaking out. when he left itv _ stopped them speaking out. when he left itv he _ stopped them speaking out. when he left itv he entered into a standard settlement agreement, there is a clear— settlement agreement, there is a clear carveout in that which makes it very— clear carveout in that which makes it very clear — clear carveout in that which makes it very clear that for whistle—blowers speaking up there is nothing _ whistle—blowers speaking up there is nothing that would prevent him from doing _ nothing that would prevent him from doing so _ nothing that would prevent him from doing so. do nothing that would prevent him from doinu so. i. , ., nothing that would prevent him from doinu so. _, . , nothing that would prevent him from doinaso. _, . , ., doing so. do you share concerns that philli is doing so. do you share concerns that phillip is being _ doing so. do you share concerns that phillip is being hounded _ doing so. do you share concerns that phillip is being hounded like - phillip is being hounded like carolyn flack? i phillip is being hounded like carolyn flack?— phillip is being hounded like carolyn flack? phillip is being hounded like carol nflack? ., �* ., ., .,~ carolyn flack? i don't want to make those comparisons _ carolyn flack? i don't want to make those comparisons but _ carolyn flack? i don't want to make those comparisons but i _ carolyn flack? i don't want to make those comparisons but i will- carolyn flack? i don't want to make those comparisons but i will say - carolyn flack? i don't want to make those comparisons but i will say i i those comparisons but i will say i think he has been hounded and he has said himself that he is nothing, it weren't his daughters he wouldn't be alive, he said that publicly. share alive, he said that publicly. are ou alive, he said that publicly. are you personally _ alive, he said that publicly. are you personally individually concerned for his welfare? i’m you personally individually concerned for his welfare? i'm very concerned- — concerned for his welfare? i'm very concerned- i— concerned for his welfare? i'm very concerned. i spoke _ concerned for his welfare? i'm very concerned. i spoke to _ concerned for his welfare? i'm very concerned. i spoke to him - concerned for his welfare? i'm very concerned. i spoke to him the - concerned for his welfare? i'm very concerned. i spoke to him the day| concerned. i spoke to him the day before because i knew that him standing down this morning was a pretty major thing in his life, i

actually phoned him and said i know this is very difficult and you know kevin has offered to further work so please don't feel awful about it, there is more and he was really grateful that i've called him and said this means so much to me, i didn't know he was going to say on the friday that he had lied to us and had hidden this for so long, but we have been concerned about phillip and we have been extremely concerned about person x because the level of intrusion in his life is unbelievably awful. have you individually _ unbelievably awful. have you individually spoken _ unbelievably awful. have you individually spoken to - unbelievably awful. have you individually spoken to either| unbelievably awful. have you i individually spoken to either of them since that? i individually spoken to either of them since that?— individually spoken to either of them since that? ., , them since that? i have never spoken to erson them since that? i have never spoken to person x. — them since that? i have never spoken to person x. it— them since that? i have never spoken to person x, it would _ them since that? i have never spoken to person x, it would be _ them since that? i have never spoken to person x, it would be something i | to person x, it would be something i would do, but i have spoken to phillip as i havejust would do, but i have spoken to phillip as i have just said. phillip as i have 'ust said. have ou phillip as i have 'ust said. have you spoken — phillip as i have 'ust said. have you spoken to _ phillip as i have just said. have you spoken to phillip _ phillip as i have just said. have you spoken to phillip since - phillip as i have just said. have you spoken to phillip since he i you spoken to phillip since he admitted that he lied about this relationship? i admitted that he lied about this relationship?— admitted that he lied about this relationshi - ? , , ., relationship? i 'ust sent him a text sa inc relationship? i 'ust sent him a text sa in: that relationship? ijust sent him a text saying that she _ relationship? ijust sent him a text saying that she sent _ relationship? ijust sent him a text saying that she sent a _ relationship? ijust sent him a text saying that she sent a text - relationship? ijust sent him a text saying that she sent a text saying l saying that she sent a text saying how deeply sorry he was flying to

itv and his and how much art has been caused by a. i itv and his and how much art has been caused by a.— been caused by a. i did speak to him. been caused by a. i did speak to him- when _ been caused by a. i did speak to him. when he _ been caused by a. i did speak to him. when he wanted _ been caused by a. i did speak to him. when he wanted to - been caused by a. i did speak to him. when he wanted to step i been caused by a. i did speak to i him. when he wanted to step down from this— him. when he wanted to step down from this morning, i think it was the daily— from this morning, i think it was the daily effort of doing the show live for— the daily effort of doing the show live for two hours every day was the thing _ live for two hours every day was the thing that _ live for two hours every day was the thing that made him think there is too much — thing that made him think there is too much noise and i don't want to do it— too much noise and i don't want to do it any— too much noise and i don't want to do it any more, sorry, we said all if you _ do it any more, sorry, we said all if you step — do it any more, sorry, we said all if you step down you can step down and we _ if you step down you can step down and we did — if you step down you can step down and we did talk about another show coming _ and we did talk about another show coming up — and we did talk about another show coming up a couple of weeks later, the soap— coming up a couple of weeks later, the soap awards that he was put to present, _ the soap awards that he was put to present, so— the soap awards that he was put to present, so do you still 0k to do the soap— present, so do you still 0k to do the soap awards? you said yes, absolutely, dancing on ice is the only other— absolutely, dancing on ice is the only other show he does for us which is injanuary. — only other show he does for us which is injanuary, once a week show, and he asked _ is injanuary, once a week show, and he asked about that and we said don't _ he asked about that and we said don't worry about that now, so far away, _ don't worry about that now, so far away, we — don't worry about that now, so far away, we can deal with it later. i think— away, we can deal with it later. i think on— away, we can deal with it later. i think on the _ away, we can deal with it later. i think on the record i said he would be continuing to work with us. and then i_ be continuing to work with us. and then i can't— be continuing to work with us. and then i can't remember if i actually asked _ then i can't remember if i actually asked him — then i can't remember if i actually asked him in that conversation, but

there _ asked him in that conversation, but there isn't— asked him in that conversation, but there isn't anything, as they are, philiip? — there isn't anything, as they are, phillip? but he would have said no, there _ phillip? but he would have said no, there wasn't. it was three or four days— there wasn't. it was three or four days before — there wasn't. it was three or four days before he said, actually, sorry, — days before he said, actually, sorry, we _ days before he said, actually, sorry, i've been lying on the time, he looked — sorry, i've been lying on the time, he looked me in the eye and promised me that _ he looked me in the eye and promised me that there was absolutely no truth _ me that there was absolutely no truth whatsoever in this, in the rumours — truth whatsoever in this, in the rumours of— truth whatsoever in this, in the rumours of this relationship. because _ rumours of this relationship. because it was corroborated i suppose _ because it was corroborated i suppose by person x and they had been _ suppose by person x and they had been through the whole of this with no complaints as such from certainly anybody _ no complaints as such from certainly anybody in _ no complaints as such from certainly anybody in itv about it, was the rumours — anybody in itv about it, was the rumours and things, i believe them and i— rumours and things, i believe them and i believe his agents and every one and _ and i believe his agents and every one and two days later everybody comes _ one and two days later everybody comes out — one and two days later everybody comes out and says it is a lie. is comes out and says it is a lie. important to comes out and says it is a lie. i3 important to talk about how many time she spoke to the agent. we believe that they are, a panel of chief executives from itv, the chief exec, director of television being questioned by committee of mps from

the department for culture, media and sport about the culture itv that led to the phillip schofield controversy. a repeated measures coming through their from the itv bosses saying that there was consistent denial from both bosses saying that there was consistent denialfrom both phillip schofield and the other man involved in this controversy that anything was happening, they said they repeatedly asked questions about it, were repeatedly told nothing untoward was happening, concern from the mps about the power imbalance between the two individuals involved and reassurance also from the itv bosses that the welfare of the staff they say is important and that they are continuing to offer support and counselling to phillip schofield in person x. we welcome back to that story, so do stick with this year on bbc news but let's turn now back to our main story today. an attack on nottingham resulted in the deaths of three people. i hand you over now to my colleague rajini vaidyanathan in nottingham. you

you over now to my colleague ra'ini vaidyanathan in nottingham. you 'oin us from nottingham i vaidyanathan in nottingham. you 'oin us from nottingham city i vaidyanathan in nottingham. you 'oin us from nottingham city centre, i vaidyanathan in nottingham. youjoin us from nottingham city centre, just l us from nottingham city centre, just over 2a hours since those three incidents that have left this city incidents that have left this city in mourning. three people died yesterday, two of them were i9—year—old students who were found deadin i9—year—old students who were found dead in the round in the early hours of yesterday morning. they had been stabbed to death. another man in his 50s was also killed in the incident yesterday, one man is critically ill in hospital and to others suffered minor injuries. police continue their investigations. it is not an understatement to say that this is a city in shock. it is still reeling from what happened. two of the two i9—year—olds were students, there were other labour from a night out. they have been named now as grace kumar and barnaby webber. they were both studying at nottingham

university. the family of barnaby webber issued a statement, speaking of their complete devastation at this senseless attack. they said that the family was bereft beyond belief. this really is a difficult time particularly for nottingham's student population. we were —— but we were —— but we are here at the church for a reason, a visual attracted hundreds of people last night from all walks of life, from all across the city. i'm joined now by bishop paul williams. good to have you with us in very difficult circumstances, i might add. the first of all, tell us about that vigil that was here last night. it was deeply moving. this is a city in shock— was deeply moving. this is a city in shock as _ was deeply moving. this is a city in shock as you — was deeply moving. this is a city in shock as you say, and in collective grief~ _ shock as you say, and in collective grief~ but — shock as you say, and in collective grief. but holding in our prayers

the family, the friends i have those whose _ the family, the friends i have those whose lives — the family, the friends i have those whose lives came to an end tragically and cruelly yesterday, happened here in very short notice wasiust_ happened here in very short notice wasiust an — happened here in very short notice wasjust an outpouring happened here in very short notice was just an outpouring of grief and shock _ was just an outpouring of grief and shock. hundreds of young people, students, — shock. hundreds of young people, students, many of them who knew grace _ students, many of them who knew grace kumarand students, many of them who knew grace kumar and barnaby webber, these _ grace kumar and barnaby webber, these precious lives that were so much _ these precious lives that were so much a _ these precious lives that were so much a part of the city, many young people _ much a part of the city, many young peopie who — much a part of the city, many young people who come to the city with hopes— people who come to the city with hopes and — people who come to the city with hopes and dreams, those were brought to a cruel— hopes and dreams, those were brought to a cruel end yesterday. i think what _ to a cruel end yesterday. i think what happened here notjust with young _ what happened here notjust with young people but people across the city was _ young people but people across the city was people were supporting one another— city was people were supporting one another and sharing together the extraordinary sense of grief that will not — extraordinary sense of grief that will not quickly pass and of course today— will not quickly pass and of course today our— will not quickly pass and of course today our prayers are very much focused — today our prayers are very much focused on _ today our prayers are very much

focused on those family and friends of those _ focused on those family and friends of those who have lost their lives. is a of those who have lost their lives. is a difficult— of those who have lost their lives. is a difficult time in any city in the aftermath of something so shocking as this. they will be going through stages of grief. what many people we have spoken to here have said is that what is even tougher is we are talking about two of the victims being 19 years old, students in the prime of their life. what kind of support are you able to give to people? we know there are tens of thousands of students here in nottingham, this is a city that is seen as a very safe and welcoming one for students to come and study. it always has been a self and welcoming and friendly city for students. i leave it will continue to be. by yesterday and today, we are in shock. i think there is no question that anyone who has a care for young people, nurturing their aspirations, hopes and dreams, we'll have felt the devastation of the

cruelty of yesterday, these young lives so suddenly and so cruelly ended. i have a son who hasjust finished his first year at university, there will be many others who have students in their family, you can't begin to imagine the extraordinary grief that those families and their friends will be going through. but the students are a part of the city, they are not separate from the city here, and i think already, as we saw in the visual yesterday, we saw people who are part of the city drawing together, surrounding the students, being there to support them and i think we will see that again this afternoon with the vigil at the university and again tomorrow in the market square. this is a city that pulls together in hard times, it's a friendly city. i think we will see that growing and expanding, and i

hope that students who have gone through what is just an extraordinarily traumatic time here will know that this is a city that cares for them, we are here to support them, to love them and of course we are thinking and praying for the family and friends of the van driver as well. nottinghamshire police set up _ van driver as well. nottinghamshire police set up a _ van driver as well. nottinghamshire police set up a hotline _ van driver as well. nottinghamshire police set up a hotline yesterday i police set up a hotline yesterday for anyone to call if they were affected in some way, but of course, there will be a lot of people who need different kinds of support here. perhaps people who are not personally affected but are deeply moved by that. what kind of support is on offer notjust from your faith community but in the wider community as well? . , community but in the wider community as well? ., , ., , community but in the wider community aswell? ., , ., , . . ,., as well? certainly many churches are 0 en, as well? certainly many churches are oen, as as well? certainly many churches are open. as our— as well? certainly many churches are open, as our is today for _ as well? certainly many churches are open, as our is today for people i as well? certainly many churches are open, as our is today for people of. open, as our is today for people of all faiths _ open, as our is today for people of all faiths and none to just come and 'ust all faiths and none to just come and just be _ all faiths and none to just come and just be quiet for a few months, they can look— just be quiet for a few months, they can look -- — just be quiet for a few months, they can look —— might light a candle if they— can look —— might light a candle if they want. — can look —— might light a candle if they want, there will be people there _ they want, there will be people there who are available, i will be here _ there who are available, i will be here today — there who are available, i will be here today and if you need to talk,

not everyone has people around them that they _ not everyone has people around them that they can talk to, if that is something they feel they need. faith communities have opened their buildings — communities have opened their buildings as well. the university, both universities have outstanding welfare _ both universities have outstanding welfare support and i was put in place _ welfare support and i was put in place immediately yesterday —— but that was— place immediately yesterday —— but that was put in place immediately after it— that was put in place immediately after it was clear what had happened and they— after it was clear what had happened and they will continue to provide really— and they will continue to provide really good and consistent support to students. because everyone is affected — to students. because everyone is affected by this. students are really— affected by this. students are really well networked. most students will, if _ really well networked. most students will, if they didn't know barnaby webber— will, if they didn't know barnaby webber and grace will, if they didn't know barnaby webberand grace kumar will, if they didn't know barnaby webber and grace kumar personally, they will— webber and grace kumar personally, they will now —— but they will now others _ they will now —— but they will now others who — they will now —— but they will now others who are at their friends. as students _ others who are at their friends. as students in — others who are at their friends. as students in other parts of the country— students in other parts of the country will be deeply affected by what has — country will be deeply affected by what has happened. i think people will also _ what has happened. i think people will also be holding in their prayers _ will also be holding in their prayers today, as we will be here, the family— prayers today, as we will be here, the family and friends, who will

'ust the family and friends, who will just be — the family and friends, who will just be so— the family and friends, who will just be so devastated today, trying to work— just be so devastated today, trying to work out how to keep going in the face of— to work out how to keep going in the face of such— to work out how to keep going in the face of such extraordinary grief. just before we finish, how are you feeling right now? you are here to support other people but you look physically moved yourself. i am. the enormity of — physically moved yourself. i am. the enormity of what has happened is hard to— enormity of what has happened is hard to take in. i think for everyone _ hard to take in. i think for everyone including myself, where does _ everyone including myself, where does processing not only what this has meant — does processing not only what this has meant for our city but today i think— has meant for our city but today i think we're — has meant for our city but today i think we're really focused on our prayers, — think we're really focused on our prayers, our concern, just our hearts— prayers, our concern, just our hearts going out to those who are grieving _ hearts going out to those who are grieving today, the family and friends, — grieving today, the family and friends, all those who knew personally grace kumar and barnaby webber— personally grace kumar and barnaby webber and the person yet to be named — webber and the person yet to be named. and as a parent of three student—

named. and as a parent of three student age children or young people. — student age children or young people. i— student age children or young people, i can't but be affected very personally, just imagining the extraordinary grief they are going through. — extraordinary grief they are going through, knowingjust extraordinary grief they are going through, knowing just how much this affects _ through, knowing just how much this affects the _ through, knowing just how much this affects the future, their whole lives _ affects the future, their whole lives have been devastated by this. so, lives have been devastated by this. so. yes— lives have been devastated by this. so, yes mike, we pull together, i have _ so, yes mike, we pull together, i have spoken to a number of other faith leaders because of —— sao, yeah _ faith leaders because of —— sao, yeah this— faith leaders because of —— sao, yeah this is— faith leaders because of —— sao, yeah. this is a city where we have really _ yeah. this is a city where we have really good — yeah. this is a city where we have really good friendships, partnerships, and we are drawing on one another— partnerships, and we are drawing on one another in that. that will continue _ one another in that. that will continue over the coming days. i draw— continue over the coming days. i draw strength from that in the sense of real— draw strength from that in the sense of real community in the city. bishop — of real community in the city. bishop paul williams, thank you for joining us on bbc news. well, as the bishop was saying, this really is a community shaken by what happened. let's just community shaken by what happened. let'sjust go over the community shaken by what happened. let's just go over the events that took place beginning in the early hours of yesterday morning. frances

reid goes through the events of the day. two teenagers killed with no real understanding as to why. barnaby webber, a keen sportsman, and grace kumar, a talented hockey player, were both students at nottingham university. they died in the attack along with a third man in his 50s. the city mourns together, unable to comprehend what's happened. i've lived here all my life and i've got a connection with this city and ijust... i kind of want to be, i don't know, here with other people my age. vigils have been held overnight for those killed. right now, our hearts, thoughts, prayers go out to those especially who have lost loved ones. in a statement, nottingham university said it was shocked and devastated and that its thoughts were with those affected. england hockey tweeted. ..

"we are deeply saddened by the news of grace's tragic death. she was a popular member of the england under—16s and under—18s squad and our thoughts are with grace's family, friends and team—mates. " and tributes, too, from barnaby's home cricket club in somerset, saying he had been a key part of their club and made such an impact. "his memory will live on," it said. police believe the attacker stabbed the victims before stealing a van which he then drove into three other people. one man is critically ill in hospital, while two others are believed to have suffered minor injuries. few details have been released about the suspect other than he was a male west african migrant with a history of mental health issues. police working with counterterror specialists have an open mind about a motive. i'm in regular contact with the chief constable of nottinghamshire police. but i want to take this opportunity to urge anybody who has any information about this incident to come forward and report

it to the police. this is a city whose people are characteristically stoic. but it has been truly shocking and a difficult time for all those now wanting answers. frances read, bbc news. well, about an hour ago while we were standing here doing our broadcasting, a young man came by and started talking to us. he said that he knew the 50—year—old man, the man in his 50s i should say, who has died who is yet to be named, the third victim. he said he was a family friend of his and he was shaking, he said he couldn't believe what had happened here yesterday and as well as being sad, he was also angry. there's a real range of here being felt in nottingham today. a book of condolence has just opened

up book of condolence has just opened up in the council offices not too far from up in the council offices not too farfrom here up in the council offices not too far from here and there will be another vigil later today at the university. there will be lots of students of course attending that one and we will be there later, so we will be coming back to you live from the university area later in the day. from the university area later in the da . . ~ from the university area later in the da. ., ,, i. ., the day. thank you, ra'ini vaidyanathan i the day. thank you, ra'ini vaidyanathan in i the day. thank you, rajini i vaidyanathan in nottingham. a the day. thank you, rajini - vaidyanathan in nottingham. a very sombre mood in the city. let's take you back to westminster and one of our other developing stories and a series of itv bosses are being questioned by mps from the dcms committee. the chief executive of itv is facing questions along with other itv bosses. you of itv is facing questions along with other itv bosses. you have itv, then ou with other itv bosses. you have itv, then you have _ with other itv bosses. you have itv, then you have celebrity _ with other itv bosses. you have itv, then you have celebrity doing i with other itv bosses. you have itv, then you have celebrity doing this i then you have celebrity doing this over here, then you have this morning doing this over here, and gradually these cultures can become toxic, they can become poisonous, because they are close and pete

browne by the very nature. —— free trial. —— febrile. i use the example of the bbc here when they started dismantling the bbc club system that these to have, which was a very useful cross—fertilisation tool where people talk to each other on a social level about issues. once you take that away and people are not meeting across the different programmes that are being made, have we taken away some form of reference for people to actually air these views totally informally without going through the management system? i will start and hand over to kevin. i will start and hand over to kevin. i think— i will start and hand over to kevin. i think we — i will start and hand over to kevin. i think we have done the reverse. i think— i think we have done the reverse. i think what— i think we have done the reverse. i think what we did overlook turn, which _ think what we did overlook turn, which many people in the world found very difficult —— what we did overlook— very difficult —— what we did overlook turn, he is to come in every— overlook turn, he is to come in every day— overlook turn, he is to come in every day and being in a busy culture — every day and being in a busy culture with lots of team—mates, then _ culture with lots of team—mates, then find — culture with lots of team—mates, then find a — culture with lots of team—mates, then find a particularly difficult. we actually did a huge number of

things— we actually did a huge number of things virtually when we couldn't do them _ things virtually when we couldn't do them physically, and we would do social— them physically, and we would do social gatherings... so the networks were brilliant, they did a lot of cross _ were brilliant, they did a lot of cross collaboration, so if you are in de _ cross collaboration, so if you are in de embrace network, which is people _ in de embrace network, which is peopie of— in de embrace network, which is people of colour, if you're in the disability— people of colour, if you're in the disability network or the women's network. — disability network or the women's network, the three would get together and do a big event. they would _ together and do a big event. they would get — together and do a big event. they would get someone to come and talk about— would get someone to come and talk about mental health, everyone can ask questions, you can ask anonymous questions _ ask questions, you can ask anonymous questions that you can follow up on afterwards— questions that you can follow up on afterwards so we did a whole series of things— afterwards so we did a whole series of things virtually, doubts there was something in most days through lockdown— was something in most days through lockdown so that people could connect — lockdown so that people could connect. as —— it was very important for us _ connect. as —— it was very important for us to— connect. as —— it was very important for us to make — connect. as —— it was very important for us to make sure people felt connected through lockdown to itv and the _ connected through lockdown to itv and the feedback and that has been very positive. our idea to cast every— very positive. our idea to cast every week and people can ask questions _ every week and people can ask questions every single week all the way through content. but stockton, i

thln- way through content. but stockton, i thing we _ way through content. but stockton, i thing we have actually done even more _ thing we have actually done even more face—to—face because we are now only one _ more face—to—face because we are now only one building in white city so that all— only one building in white city so that all of— only one building in white city so that all of our london offices are in one _ that all of our london offices are in one building in white city, so we do things— in one building in white city, so we do things on— in one building in white city, so we do things on a friday, we do previews, _ do things on a friday, we do previews, we do, and the networks to quite _ previews, we do, and the networks to quite serious — previews, we do, and the networks to quite serious events, so let's talk about— quite serious events, so let's talk about bullying, let's talk about this, _ about bullying, let's talk about this, what does bullying look like? if this, what does bullying look like? if you _ this, what does bullying look like? if you have — this, what does bullying look like? if you have a problem, who would you talk to? _ if you have a problem, who would you talk to? we _ if you have a problem, who would you talk to? we have a balance network. and it _ talk to? we have a balance network. and it is _ talk to? we have a balance network. and it is very— talk to? we have a balance network. and it is very much less formal. informal ways that the networks in particular— informal ways that the networks in particular organise events with our funding _ particular organise events with our funding and support.— particular organise events with our funding and support.- i i particular organise events with our| funding and support.- i think funding and support. kevin? i think with the introduction, _ funding and support. kevin? i think with the introduction, again, i funding and support. if “i? i think with the introduction, again, being in one _ with the introduction, again, being in one building _ with the introduction, again, being in one building really— with the introduction, again, being in one building really helps - with the introduction, again, being in one building really helps this, i in one building really helps this, but there — in one building really helps this, but there is— in one building really helps this, but there is a _ in one building really helps this, but there is a lot _ in one building really helps this, but there is a lot of _ in one building really helps this, but there is a lot of movement i but there is a lot of movement between — but there is a lot of movement between peopie _ but there is a lot of movement between people working i but there is a lot of movement between people working in i but there is a lot of movement| between people working in one but there is a lot of movement i between people working in one show and working — between people working in one show and working on— between people working in one show and working on another. _ between people working in one show and working on another. the - between people working in one show and working on another. the periodsl and working on another. the periods that you _ and working on another. the periods that you might— and working on another. the periods that you might be _ and working on another. the periods that you might be engaged - and working on another. the periods that you might be engaged in- and working on another. the periodsl that you might be engaged in making the show— that you might be engaged in making the show are — that you might be engaged in making the show are not _ that you might be engaged in making

the show are not public— that you might be engaged in making the show are not public debt - that you might be engaged in making the show are not public debt not i the show are not public debt not unlike _ the show are not public debt not unlike this— the show are not public debt not unlike this morning. _ the show are not public debt not unlike this morning. some i the show are not public debt not i unlike this morning. some people 'ust unlike this morning. some people just come — unlike this morning. some people just come in— unlike this morning. some people just come in for— unlike this morning. some people just come in for a _ unlike this morning. some people just come in for a few _ unlike this morning. some people just come in for a few weeks i unlike this morning. some people just come in for a few weeks but i just come in for a few weeks but people _ just come in for a few weeks but peopie are — just come in for a few weeks but people are coming _ just come in for a few weeks but people are coming to— just come in for a few weeks but people are coming to make i just come in for a few weeks butl people are coming to make those shows— people are coming to make those shows and — people are coming to make those shows and i— people are coming to make those shows and i have _ people are coming to make those shows and i have often _ shows and i have often worked on other— shows and i have often worked on other shows — shows and i have often worked on other shows so _ shows and i have often worked on other shows so there _ shows and i have often worked on other shows so there are a lot i shows and i have often worked on other shows so there are a lot of. other shows so there are a lot of peopie who know _ other shows so there are a lot of people who know a _ other shows so there are a lot of people who know a lot of - other shows so there are a lot of people who know a lot of peoplel people who know a lot of people at itv. people who know a lot of people at w so _ people who know a lot of people at w so i _ people who know a lot of people at w so i think— people who know a lot of people at itv. so i think there _ people who know a lot of people at itv. so i think there is _ people who know a lot of people at itv. so i think there is a _ itv. so i think there is a culture, certainly— itv. so i think there is a culture, certainly that i have _ itv. so i think there is a culture, certainly that i have seen, i itv. so i think there is a culture, certainly that i have seen, a i certainly that i have seen, a friendship— certainly that i have seen, a friendship across _ certainly that i have seen, a friendship across different i friendship across different departments... _ friendship across different departments... i- friendship across different departments... ithink- friendship across different i departments... i think there is a lot of— departments... i think there is a lot of cross—fertilisation - 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which is a good thing because i know what happened with the bbc club i what happened with the bbc club system — what happened with the bbc club system so— what happened with the bbc club system so it _ what happened with the bbc club system. so it is _ what happened with the bbc club system. so it is more _ what happened with the bbc club system. so it is more informal. what happened with the bbc clubl system. so it is more informal but what happened with the bbc club i system. so it is more informal but i think— system. so it is more informal but i think there — system. so it is more informal but i think there is — system. so it is more informal but i think there is a _ system. so it is more informal but i think there is a lot _ system. so it is more informal but i think there is a lot of— system. so it is more informal but i think there is a lot of discussion i think there is a lot of discussion amongst — think there is a lot of discussion amongst all— think there is a lot of discussion amongst all members _ think there is a lot of discussion amongst all members of i think there is a lot of discussion amongst all members of staff. think there is a lot of discussion i amongst all members of staff with each other— amongst all members of staff with each other about _ amongst all members of staff with each other about what's _ amongst all members of staff with each other about what's going i amongst all members of staff with each other about what's going on. | amongst all members of staff with i each other about what's going on. so each other about what's going on. fl: he felt each other about what's going on. he felt informed, you feel like you had your finger on the pulse he felt informed, you feel like you had yourfinger on the pulse not only formally but socially as well. but did it come as a great surprise to you, because it did to me, the

vituperative outburst that came as a result of these disclosures. for instance eamon holmes said in a tweet that scofield has finally been called out, he is not the only guilty party. four higher members of itv management knew the sort of man he was never once took action to prevent him taking advantage of young people. that is an extraordinary thing to come out with. i would extraordinary thing to come out with. iwould imagine extraordinary thing to come out with. i would imagine extremely damaging. you must have been surprised to receive that. we didn't receive it, it was on twitter. i think it's actually defamatory, never mind anything else. but of course we _ never mind anything else. but of course we wouldn't _ never mind anything else. but of course we wouldn't say i never mind anything else. but of course we wouldn't say that i never mind anything else. but of- course we wouldn't say that because it would _ course we wouldn't say that because it would just inflame the situation. it is it would just inflame the situation. it is worth— it would just inflame the situation. it is worth and observation here that there — it is worth and observation here that there has _ it is worth and observation here that there has been _ it is worth and observation here that there has been a _ it is worth and observation here that there has been a very- it is worth and observation herel that there has been a very vocal criticism — that there has been a very vocal criticism and _ that there has been a very vocal criticism and the _ that there has been a very vocal criticism and the mission i that there has been a very vocal criticism and the mission of i that there has been a very vocal criticism and the mission of all. criticism and the mission of all this toxic—

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anything it was more work, please, we love it here, can we do more? i| we love it here, can we do more? i have _ we love it here, can we do more? i have to _ we love it here, can we do more? i have to have — we love it here, can we do more? i have to have some _ we love it here, can we do more? i have to have some sympathy- we love it here, can we do more? i have to have some sympathy for. we love it here, can we do more? i. have to have some sympathy for them in that— have to have some sympathy for them in that present — have to have some sympathy for them in that present is _ have to have some sympathy for them in that present is programmes- have to have some sympathy for them in that present is programmes ofteni in that present is programmes often have a _ in that present is programmes often have a slight— in that present is programmes often have a slight feeling _ in that present is programmes often have a slight feeling of— in that present is programmes often have a slight feeling of divine i have a slight feeling of divine right— have a slight feeling of divine right to — have a slight feeling of divine right to stay _ have a slight feeling of divine right to stay there _ have a slight feeling of divine right to stay there forever. i have a slight feeling of divine l right to stay there forever. and obviously — right to stay there forever. and obviously itv _ right to stay there forever. and obviously itv is _ right to stay there forever. and obviously itv is a _ right to stay there forever. and obviously itv is a company, - right to stay there forever. and obviously itv is a company, as| obviously itv is a company, as producers _ obviously itv is a company, as producers are _ obviously itv is a company, as producers are programmes - obviously itv is a company, as i producers are programmes might obviously itv is a company, as - producers are programmes might want to change. _ producers are programmes might want to change. bring — producers are programmes might want to change. bring on— producers are programmes might want to change, bring on new— producers are programmes might want to change, bring on new people - producers are programmes might want to change, bring on new people and i to change, bring on new people and so forth _ to change, bring on new people and so forth and — to change, bring on new people and so forth. and so, _ to change, bring on new people and so forth. and so, it _ to change, bring on new people and so forth. and so, it is _ to change, bring on new people and so forth. and so, it is only- to change, bring on new people and so forth. and so, it is only really, i so forth. and so, it is only really, and this— so forth. and so, it is only really, and this is— so forth. and so, it is only really, and this is why— so forth. and so, it is only really, and this is why i _ so forth. and so, it is only really,

and this is why i have _ so forth. and so, it is only really, and this is why i have sympathy. and this is why i have sympathy for them, _ and this is why i have sympathy for them, when — and this is why i have sympathy for them, when you— and this is why i have sympathy for them, when you have _ and this is why i have sympathy for them, when you have to _ and this is why i have sympathy for them, when you have to have - and this is why i have sympathy for them, when you have to have the i them, when you have to have the difficult _ them, when you have to have the difficult conversation _ them, when you have to have the difficult conversation of, - them, when you have to have the difficult conversation of, it's - them, when you have to have the difficult conversation of, it's been really— difficult conversation of, it's been really good — difficult conversation of, it's been really good but _ difficult conversation of, it's been really good but actually _ difficult conversation of, it's been really good but actually we - difficult conversation of, it's been really good but actually we would i really good but actually we would like you _ really good but actually we would like you to — really good but actually we would like you to do _ really good but actually we would like you to do less. _ really good but actually we would like you to do less. it's _ really good but actually we would like you to do less. it's not - really good but actually we would like you to do less. it's not very. like you to do less. it's not very nice _ like you to do less. it's not very nice ahd — like you to do less. it's not very nice and i_ like you to do less. it's not very nice and i get— like you to do less. it's not very nice. and i get that _ like you to do less. it's not very nice. and i get that because - like you to do less. it's not very| nice. and i get that because this like you to do less. it's not very. nice. and i get that because this is their— nice. and i get that because this is their life. — nice. and i get that because this is their life, they— nice. and i get that because this is their life, they love _ nice. and i get that because this is their life, they love it, _ nice. and i get that because this is their life, they love it, they- nice. and i get that because this is their life, they love it, they neveri their life, they love it, they never complain. — their life, they love it, they never complain. they— their life, they love it, they never complain, they thoroughly - their life, they love it, they never complain, they thoroughly enjoy. their life, they love it, they neveri complain, they thoroughly enjoy it and their— complain, they thoroughly enjoy it and their response _ complain, they thoroughly enjoy it and their response always - complain, they thoroughly enjoy it and their response always is - complain, they thoroughly enjoy it and their response always is one l complain, they thoroughly enjoy it i and their response always is one of disappointment _ and their response always is one of disappointment. that's _ and their response always is one of disappointment. that's why- and their response always is one of. disappointment. that's why honestly, i disappointment. that's why honestly, itehd _ disappointment. that's why honestly, itehd almost — disappointment. that's why honestly, i tend almost never— disappointment. that's why honestly, i tend almost never to _ disappointment. that's why honestly, i tend almost never to just _ disappointment. that's why honestly, i tend almost never tojust cut, - disappointment. that's why honestly, i tend almost never to just cut, but i i tend almost never to just cut, but say, look. — i tend almost never to just cut, but say. look. thank— i tend almost never to just cut, but say, look, thank you _ i tend almost never to just cut, but say, look, thank you very - i tend almost never to just cut, but say, look, thank you very much - i tend almost never to just cut, but say, look, thank you very much for| say, look, thank you very much for all the _ say, look, thank you very much for all the work— say, look, thank you very much for all the work you're _ say, look, thank you very much for all the work you're doing, - say, look, thank you very much for all the work you're doing, but - say, look, thank you very much for all the work you're doing, but we l all the work you're doing, but we want _ all the work you're doing, but we want to— all the work you're doing, but we want to try— all the work you're doing, but we want to try other— all the work you're doing, but we want to try other things - all the work you're doing, but we want to try other things but - all the work you're doing, but we want to try other things but we . all the work you're doing, but we i want to try other things but we are not want to try other things but we are hotiettisohihg _ want to try other things but we are notjettisoning you, _ want to try other things but we are not jettisoning you, we _ want to try other things but we are not jettisoning you, we would - want to try other things but we are not jettisoning you, we would justl not jettisoning you, we would just like you _ not jettisoning you, we would just like you to — not jettisoning you, we would just like you to do _ not jettisoning you, we would just like you to do a _ not jettisoning you, we would just like you to do a bit _ not jettisoning you, we would just like you to do a bit less _ not jettisoning you, we would just like you to do a bit less or- not jettisoning you, we would just like you to do a bit less or we - not jettisoning you, we would just like you to do a bit less or we can| like you to do a bit less or we can maybe _ like you to do a bit less or we can maybe try— like you to do a bit less or we can maybe try and _ like you to do a bit less or we can maybe try and find _ like you to do a bit less or we can maybe try and find something - like you to do a bit less or we can. maybe try and find something else for you _ maybe try and find something else for you today _ maybe try and find something else for you today. because _ maybe try and find something else for you today. because they- maybe try and find something else for you today. because they have i for you today. because they have been _ for you today. because they have been generally— for you today. because they have been generally speaking - for you today. because they have been generally speaking the - for you today. because they have | been generally speaking the loyal servants— been generally speaking the loyal servants to — been generally speaking the loyal servants to itv _ been generally speaking the loyal servants to itv so _ been generally speaking the loyal servants to itv so they _ been generally speaking the loyal servants to itv so they deserve . been generally speaking the loyal| servants to itv so they deserve to be treated — servants to itv so they deserve to be treated properly _ servants to itv so they deserve to be treated properly like _ servants to itv so they deserve to be treated properly like that. - servants to itv so they deserve to be treated properly like that. buti be treated properly like that. but it's hot _ be treated properly like that. but it's not surprising _ be treated properly like that. but it's not surprising that _ be treated properly like that. but it's not surprising that when - be treated properly like that. but it's not surprising that when they| it's not surprising that when they io it's not surprising that when they go there — it's not surprising that when they go there suddenly _ it's not surprising that when they go there suddenly like, - it's not surprising that when they go there suddenly like, i- it's not surprising that when they go there suddenly like, i hate . it's not surprising that when they. go there suddenly like, i hate itv, it's all— go there suddenly like, i hate itv, it's all for! — go there suddenly like, i hate itv, it's all for! one _ go there suddenly like, i hate itv, it's all for! one for— go there suddenly like, i hate itv, it's all for! one for a _ go there suddenly like, i hate itv, it's all for! one for a decade - go there suddenly like, i hate itv, it's all for! one for a decade or- it's all for! one for a decade or more _ it's all for! one for a decade or more they— it's all for! one for a decade or more they were _ it's all for! one for a decade or more they were there - it's all for! one for a decade or more they were there reaping i it's all for! one for a decade or. more they were there reaping the rewards _ more they were there reaping the rewards and — more they were there reaping the rewards and enjoying _

more they were there reaping the rewards and enjoying the - more they were there reaping the rewards and enjoying the job - more they were there reaping the rewards and enjoying the job andl rewards and enjoying the job and everybody — rewards and enjoying the job and everybody seemed _ rewards and enjoying the job and everybody seemed to _ rewards and enjoying the job and everybody seemed to get - rewards and enjoying the job and everybody seemed to get on. - rewards and enjoying the job andl everybody seemed to get on. you rewards and enjoying the job and everybody seemed to get on. you are sa in: that everybody seemed to get on. you are saying that this _ everybody seemed to get on. you are saying that this isn't _ everybody seemed to get on. you are saying that this isn't indicative - everybody seemed to get on. you are saying that this isn't indicative of - saying that this isn't indicative of a pressure cooker building up, this is more to do with presenters? i is more to do with presenters? i don't see that, no i will - is more to do with presenters? i don't see that, no i will leave i is more to do with presenters? i don't see that, no i will leave it | don't see that, no i will leave it at that. don't see that, no i will leave it at that- can _ don't see that, no i will leave it at that. can we _ don't see that, no i will leave it at that. can we keep _ don't see that, no i will leave it at that. can we keep the - don't see that, no i will leave it i at that. can we keep the answers don't see that, no i will leave it - at that. can we keep the answers as -e as at that. can we keep the answers as petty as possible? _ at that. can we keep the answers as petty as possible? we _ at that. can we keep the answers as petty as possible? we have - at that. can we keep the answers as petty as possible? we have a - at that. can we keep the answers as petty as possible? we have a lot - at that. can we keep the answers as petty as possible? we have a lot to | petty as possible? we have a lot to cover today. petty as possible? we have a lot to cover today-— cover today. good morning. in your letter to the _ cover today. good morning. in your letter to the committee, you - cover today. good morning. in your letter to the committee, you talk i letter to the committee, you talk about no evidence of a relationship, on the rumour. where is that line between actual evidence and hearsay and rumour, what would you have accepted a something more solid? i accepted a something more solid? i think if someone had seen something inappropriate, if someone had heard something _ inappropriate, if someone had heard something that they wanted to investigate because they had actually heard something said by one of those _ actually heard something said by one of those individuals that was inappropriate, anything i think, anything — inappropriate, anything i think, anything that would have been tangible rather than rumour. first

party— tangible rather than rumour. first party sort — tangible rather than rumour. first party sort of... the effect of an investigation internally for individuals is extremely serious. but it's— individuals is extremely serious. but it's also extremely straining. it is but it's also extremely straining. it is a _ but it's also extremely straining. it is a big — but it's also extremely straining. it is a big strain on the people. that's— it is a big strain on the people. that's not— it is a big strain on the people. that's not a _ it is a big strain on the people. that's not a reason not to do it but i do that's not a reason not to do it but i do think— that's not a reason not to do it but i do think legally employment law would _ i do think legally employment law would say that you have to have evidence, — would say that you have to have evidence, you have to have something tangible _ evidence, you have to have something tangible that says you are going to do this _ tangible that says you are going to do this. ., ., , ., do this. you mentioned in your earlier evidence _ do this. you mentioned in your earlier evidence that _ do this. you mentioned in your earlier evidence that one - do this. you mentioned in your. earlier evidence that one person do this. you mentioned in your - earlier evidence that one person was asked 12 times if he was in a relationship. i started to get echoes of an old war film... relationship. i started to get echoes of an old war film. .. over a lona echoes of an old war film. .. over a long period of time, _ echoes of an old war film. .. over a long period of time, this _ echoes of an old war film. .. over a long period of time, this is - echoes of an old war film. .. over a long period of time, this is not - echoes of an old war film. .. over a long period of time, this is not in l long period of time, this is not in one go — long period of time, this is not in one go if— long period of time, this is not in one to. , ., ., long period of time, this is not in one no. ., . one go. if someone asked me whether it was over a — one go. if someone asked me whether it was over a period _ one go. if someone asked me whether it was over a period of _ one go. if someone asked me whether it was over a period of time _ one go. if someone asked me whether it was over a period of time and - one go. if someone asked me whether it was over a period of time and it - it was over a period of time and it was 12 times i would start to feel victimised if i obviously didn't want to say anything about that. it depends on the context and the tone

of the question. if depends on the context and the tone of the question.— of the question. if that was like this, and of the question. if that was like this. and he — of the question. if that was like this, and he were _ of the question. if that was like this, and he were asking - of the question. if that was like this, and he were asking for - this, and he were asking for evidence _ this, and he were asking for evidence that it was a very formal setting, _ evidence that it was a very formal setting, that may well be true but it wasn't— setting, that may well be true but it wasn't like that. there were a couple — it wasn't like that. there were a couple of— it wasn't like that. there were a couple of formal meetings which were had with— couple of formal meetings which were had with hr. there were multiple informal— had with hr. there were multiple informal meetings. and the motive with the _ informal meetings. and the motive with the question was to help this person— with the question was to help this person so— with the question was to help this person so that if anything was worrying — person so that if anything was worrying or travelling them of their anything _ worrying or travelling them of their anything they wanted to say that was inappropriate, because the rumours were rife _ inappropriate, because the rumours were rife about the inappropriateness of this, therefore that is— inappropriateness of this, therefore that is why— inappropriateness of this, therefore that is why they were asked to various— that is why they were asked to various different points of time in many— various different points of time in many different ways and by different people. _ many different ways and by different people, and there was one particular person. _ people, and there was one particular person. the — people, and there was one particular person, the head of production, who has a _ person, the head of production, who has a very— person, the head of production, who has a very good relationship with, she's— has a very good relationship with, she's the — has a very good relationship with, she's the one i think he was very much _ she's the one i think he was very much saying, if we can help, please say anything, we care about you.

that _ say anything, we care about you. that is— say anything, we care about you. that is where she would have been coming _ that is where she would have been coming from and some of the questions. | coming from and some of the questions-— coming from and some of the cuestions. .. �* . , questions. i can't decide where this line is, because _ questions. i can't decide where this line is, because two _ questions. i can't decide where this line is, because two consenting - line is, because two consenting adults who bought work for your company, where is that line between a gross invasion of privacy —— who a gross invasion of privacy -- who both work. if i was a gross invasion of privacy —— who both work. if i was an adult who entered a relationship with a man who wasn't vastly different in terms of rank or status to me, is it any other business? i of rank or status to me, is it any other business?— other business? i think it is important. _ other business? i think it is important, this _ other business? i think it is important, this thing - other business? i think it is important, this thing about j important, this thing about imbalance. i feel that's what we've taken _ imbalance. i feel that's what we've taken seriously, is not about trying to invite _ taken seriously, is not about trying to invite people's private lives and who they — to invite people's private lives and who they say what they do. it's about _ who they say what they do. it's about the — who they say what they do. it's about the workplace. so relationships that work i think we all know— relationships that work i think we all know are inevitable and the most important _ all know are inevitable and the most important thing we can do is to maintain— important thing we can do is to maintaina— important thing we can do is to maintain a professional attitude and

boundaries to make sure all of our people _ boundaries to make sure all of our people now— boundaries to make sure all of our people now that they have to have a professional attitude and they have to have _ professional attitude and they have to have boundaries to avoid inappropriate behaviour. and that's why we _ inappropriate behaviour. and that's why we have the code of conduct of the safeguarding policy, the speaking out policy, the work relationship policy, the whole thing we are _ relationship policy, the whole thing we are trying to do is to ensure we have _ we are trying to do is to ensure we have a _ we are trying to do is to ensure we have a safe — we are trying to do is to ensure we have a safe and respectful place where _ have a safe and respectful place where people come to work. so if you cross _ where people come to work. so if you cross that _ where people come to work. so if you cross that boundary, and i think he would _ cross that boundary, and i think he would say— cross that boundary, and i think he would say that someone with that kind of— would say that someone with that kind of different dynamic and power, that was— kind of different dynamic and power, that was inappropriate and i think we would. — that was inappropriate and i think we would, if we had had any evidence or knowledge of that, if phillip has said that _ or knowledge of that, if phillip has said that to us we would have answered _ said that to us we would have answered swiftly and we would have investigating and would have taken action _ investigating and would have taken action. howeverthat investigating and would have taken action. however that action would be i action. however that action would be i can't _ action. however that action would be i can't say— action. however that action would be i can't say because it's hypothetical because it would depend on when _ hypothetical because it would depend on when and where, but it was inappropriate to have a relationship with someone sojunior in daytime.

thank— with someone sojunior in daytime. thank you — with someone sojunior in daytime. thank you. many armchair commentators on social media would point out the irony of parliament speaking to a company about appropriate relationships at work, but i would like to ask, what action would have been appropriate? i know you have said it is hypothetical but the are fairly clear and the individuals are known to you, so what would have been the appropriate reaction if one of the individuals had admitted it and said, we are in a relationship with mike that had admitted it and said, we are in a relationship with mike— a relationship with mike that is where the context _ a relationship with mike that is where the context is _ a relationship with mike that is where the context is very - a relationship with mike that is - where the context is very important. ithink— where the context is very important. i think the _ where the context is very important. i think the context becomes on the importance — i think the context becomes on the importance rather than going through all the _ importance rather than going through all the scenarios we had to say would — all the scenarios we had to say would depend on... we would say this is a deeply— would depend on... we would say this is a deeply inappropriate workplace relationship given the power imbalance. deeply inappropriate in any context. imbalance. deeply inappropriate in any context-— imbalance. deeply inappropriate in an context. . . any context. what you have covered it u - ? any context. what you have covered it up? no- — any context. what you have covered it up? no- l— any context. what you have covered it up? no. i don't _ any context. what you have covered it up? no. idon't think— any context. what you have covered it up? no. i don't think so, - any context. what you have covered it up? no. i don't think so, i- any context. what you have covered it up? no. i don't think so, i think. it up? no. i don't think so, i think it up? no. i don't think so, i think it is their private _

it up? no. i don't think so, i think it is their private lives _ it up? no. i don't think so, i think it is their private lives but - it up? no. i don't think so, i think it is their private lives but it - it up? no. i don't think so, i think it is their private lives but it is - it is their private lives but it is in workplace and the therefore once it is in— in workplace and the therefore once it is in the _ in workplace and the therefore once it is in the workplace, they could does _ it is in the workplace, they could does become something that we wouldn't — does become something that we wouldn't in any why try to cover up inany— wouldn't in any why try to cover up in any way — wouldn't in any why try to cover up in any way-— wouldn't in any why try to cover up inan wa .~ . . ., in any way. what you have taken one ofthe in any way. what you have taken one of the biggest _ in any way. what you have taken one of the biggest stars, _ in any way. what you have taken one of the biggest stars, someone - in any way. what you have taken one of the biggest stars, someone who i of the biggest stars, someone who nationally was, people were very fond of, would you have darkly of the context give us and the investigation said that things have emerged that are inappropriate in the workplace dart if we had known that, at the time, we would have acted very swiftly. thank you. good morninu. acted very swiftly. thank you. good morning- one _ acted very swiftly. thank you. good morning. one of— acted very swiftly. thank you. good morning. one of the _ acted very swiftly. thank you. good morning. one of the things - acted very swiftly. thank you. good morning. one of the things i wanted to ask about is, phillip schofield has said that he got person x to work on the tv shows that he worked on for so —— got to know person x. we are aware that he had got this

personjobs on other we are aware that he had got this person jobs on other programmes that he worked on, and is that you saw that stars have that preferential treatment with mike dish—mac is that you shall. i treatment with mike dish-mac is that ou shall. ~ . you shall. i think the first thing to know is _ you shall. i think the first thing to know is that _ you shall. i think the first thing to know is that when _ you shall. i think the first thing to know is that when it's - you shall. i think the first thing to know is that when it's been l to know is that when it's been reported — to know is that when it's been reported that he is a pa, a personal runner, _ reported that he is a pa, a personal runner, that— reported that he is a pa, a personal runner, that doesn't exist at itv. no runner— runner, that doesn't exist at itv. no runner is _ runner, that doesn't exist at itv. no runner is a personal runner for anyone _ no runner is a personal runner for anyone. there is a pool of runners, there _ anyone. there is a pool of runners, there are _ anyone. there is a pool of runners, there are three on daytime, and this morning. _ there are three on daytime, and this morning, and they all share the work _ morning, and they all share the work so— morning, and they all share the work. so person x was working for eamon— work. so person x was working for eamon holmes and ruth langsford as well as— eamon holmes and ruth langsford as well as holly in phillip. we don't have _ well as holly in phillip. we don't have pas. — well as holly in phillip. we don't have pas, although we do have pas but they— have pas, although we do have pas but they are not runners so that's important — but they are not runners so that's important. kevin, would you answer the question about how it works in terms _ the question about how it works in terms of— the question about how it works in terms of what people ask what they don't? _ terms of what people ask what they don't? it— terms of what people ask what they don't? . terms of what people ask what they don't? , _, ., ., terms of what people ask what they don't? , ., ., , , , don't? it is common for presenters, performers — don't? it is common for presenters, performers to _ don't? it is common for presenters, performers to want _ don't? it is common for presenters, performers to want to _

don't? it is common for presenters, performers to want to sort - don't? it is common for presenters, performers to want to sort of - don't? it is common for presenters, performers to want to sort of get i don't? it is common for presenters, performers to want to sort of get a l performers to want to sort of get a familiar— performers to want to sort of get a familiar crew— performers to want to sort of get a familiar crew around _ performers to want to sort of get a familiar crew around them. - performers to want to sort of get a familiar crew around them. like i familiar crew around them. like their— familiar crew around them. like their dressers— familiar crew around them. like their dressers and— familiar crew around them. like their dressers and make—up- familiar crew around them. like i their dressers and make—up artists and things— their dressers and make—up artists and things like _ their dressers and make—up artists and things like that. _ their dressers and make—up artists and things like that. this _ their dressers and make—up artists and things like that. this so - and things like that. this so perhaps— and things like that. this so perhaps with _ and things like that. this so perhaps with runners - and things like that. this so . perhaps with runners although and things like that. this so - perhaps with runners although i don't _ perhaps with runners although i don't think— perhaps with runners although i don't think this _ perhaps with runners although i don't think this is _ perhaps with runners although i don't think this is the _ perhaps with runners although i don't think this is the only- don't think this is the only occasion _ don't think this is the only occasion. certainly- don't think this is the only occasion. certainly for- don't think this is the only- occasion. certainly for researchers, writers _ occasion. certainly for researchers, writers that — occasion. certainly for researchers, writers that they _ occasion. certainly for researchers, writers that they trust _ occasion. certainly for researchers, writers that they trust and - occasion. certainly for researchers, writers that they trust and they- occasion. certainly for researchers, | writers that they trust and they now and things— writers that they trust and they now and things that _ writers that they trust and they now and things that. as _ writers that they trust and they now and things that. as mentioned - and things that. as mentioned before, — and things that. as mentioned before, this _ and things that. as mentioned before, this morning - and things that. as mentioned before, this morning is - and things that. as mentioned| before, this morning is slightly unusual— before, this morning is slightly unusual in— before, this morning is slightly unusual in that _ before, this morning is slightly unusual in that it _ before, this morning is slightly unusual in that it never- before, this morning is slightly unusual in that it never ends, i before, this morning is slightly| unusual in that it never ends, it before, this morning is slightly. unusual in that it never ends, it is 'ust unusual in that it never ends, it is just on— unusual in that it never ends, it is just on forever _ unusual in that it never ends, it is just on forever. other _ unusual in that it never ends, it is| just on forever. other programmes can have _ just on forever. other programmes can have a — just on forever. other programmes can have a very— just on forever. other programmes can have a very short _ just on forever. other programmes can have a very short production i can have a very short production period _ can have a very short production period and — can have a very short production period and it's _ can have a very short production period and it's not _ can have a very short production period and it's not that - can have a very short production period and it's not that unusuall can have a very short production . period and it's not that unusual for producers — period and it's not that unusual for producers to — period and it's not that unusual for producers to bring _ period and it's not that unusual for producers to bring people - period and it's not that unusual for producers to bring people over- period and it's not that unusual for producers to bring people over for| producers to bring people over for presenters— producers to bring people over for presenters to _ producers to bring people over for presenters to say, _ producers to bring people over for presenters to say, can _ producers to bring people over for presenters to say, can i— producers to bring people over for presenters to say, can i have - producers to bring people over for presenters to say, can i have that| presenters to say, can i have that and work— presenters to say, can i have that and work there _ presenters to say, can i have that and work there or— presenters to say, can i have that and work there or whatever- presenters to say, can i have that and work there or whatever it - presenters to say, can i have that and work there or whatever it is. i presenters to say, can i have that l and work there or whatever it is. so it's not— and work there or whatever it is. so it's not that — and work there or whatever it is. so it's not that unusual. _ and work there or whatever it is. so it's not that unusual. [— and work there or whatever it is. so it's not that unusual.— it's not that unusual. i think the aaent it's not that unusual. i think the agent requested _ it's not that unusual. i think the agent requested person - it's not that unusual. i think the agent requested person x, - it's not that unusual. i think the agent requested person x, it i it's not that unusual. i think the i agent requested person x, it didn't come _ agent requested person x, it didn't come directly. it didn't come direct from _ come directly. it didn't come direct from phillip. it come directly. it didn't come direct from phillip-— from phillip. it wouldn't always be the aaent

from phillip. it wouldn't always be the agent -- _ from phillip. it wouldn't always be the agent -- the _ from phillip. it wouldn't always be the agent -- the producer - from phillip. it wouldn't always be the agent -- the producer or- from phillip. it wouldn't always be i the agent -- the producer or whoever the agent —— the producer or whoever else was— the agent —— the producer or whoever else was on— the agent —— the producer or whoever else was on the — the agent —— the producer or whoever else was on the show— the agent —— the producer or whoever else was on the show who _ the agent —— the producer or whoever else was on the show who is - else was on the show who is responsible _ else was on the show who is responsible for— else was on the show who is responsible for hiring - else was on the show who is responsible for hiring this i else was on the show who is i responsible for hiring this level a person— responsible for hiring this level a person to — responsible for hiring this level a person to say, _ responsible for hiring this level a person to say, phillip _ responsible for hiring this level a person to say, phillip would i responsible for hiring this level a person to say, phillip would like i person to say, phillip would like this person _ person to say, phillip would like this person or— person to say, phillip would like this person or that _ person to say, phillip would like this person or that one, - person to say, phillip would like this person or that one, it - person to say, phillip would like | this person or that one, it would person to say, phillip would like i this person or that one, it would be handled _ this person or that one, it would be handled by— this person or that one, it would be handled by the _ this person or that one, it would be handled by the production - this person or that one, it would be handled by the production team. i eamon and ruth asked for him and thought— eamon and ruth asked for him and thought eamon and ruth asked for him and thou-ht very eamon and ruth asked for him and thought eamon and ruth asked for him and thou-ht very well eamon and ruth asked for him and thought eamon and ruth asked for him and thou-ht very well of eamon and ruth asked for him and thought eamon and ruth asked for him and thou-ht very well of him. eamon and ruth asked for him and thought eamon and ruth asked for him and thou-ht very well of him. i eamon and ruth asked for him and thought eamon and ruth asked for him and thou-ht very well of him. i think thought very well of him. i think she was— thought very well of him. i think she was working _ thought very well of him. i think she was working for _ thought very well of him. i think she was working for qvc - thought very well of him. i think she was working for qvc and i thought very well of him. i think i she was working for qvc and could thought very well of him. i think - she was working for qvc and could he come _ she was working for qvc and could he come and _ she was working for qvc and could he come and work — she was working for qvc and could he come and work on _ she was working for qvc and could he come and work on that, _ she was working for qvc and could he come and work on that, and - she was working for qvc and could he come and work on that, and i- she was working for qvc and could he| come and work on that, and i heeded. so there _ come and work on that, and i heeded. so there is— come and work on that, and i heeded. so there is a _ come and work on that, and i heeded. so there is a lot — come and work on that, and i heeded. so there is a lot of _ come and work on that, and i heeded. so there is a lot of movement. - come and work on that, and i heeded. so there is a lot of movement.- so there is a lot of movement. where is that standard _ so there is a lot of movement. where is that standard for _ so there is a lot of movement. where is that standard for make-up - so there is a lot of movement. where is that standard for make-up artists l is that standard for make—up artists and things that are very personal and things that are very personal and you have that rapport and if you think sibley does your make up a very well. the rumour, it is a different type ofjob, do you think if this happens, it is appropriate to do that, appropriate stars to have that level of input in those of decisions? ~ . ., have that level of input in those of decisions? ~ . . , , decisions? what i have seen is, i have country _ decisions? what i have seen is, i have country a — decisions? what i have seen is, i have country a lot _ decisions? what i have seen is, i have country a lot of _ decisions? what i have seen is, i have country a lot of live - decisions? what i have seen is, i have country a lot of live shows i decisions? what i have seen is, i. have country a lot of live shows and what _ have country a lot of live shows and what i _ have country a lot of live shows and

what i see _ have country a lot of live shows and what i see is — have country a lot of live shows and what i see is that when a runner will get — what i see is that when a runner will get everything