tv The Context BBC News June 14, 2023 9:00pm-9:30pm BST
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welcome back to the context. the bbc has heard evidence of acute food shortages and widespread starvation in north korea, with some people dying in the streets. we'll have that exclusive report for you shortly. but first, let me introduce my panel for the next hour — the trade economist rebecca harding and the semocratic strategist mary anne marsh. ——democratic as well as north korea, tonight we will be discussing... we will dive into the political fallout from donald trump's history—making court appearance and discuss the different ways us media are choosing to cover
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the former president. the first big attempt to control ai — artificial intelligence. the european parliament has approved a draught plan to regulate the use of ai. and does too much bad news stop you from following current affairs? the latest figures suggest the tougher stories are turning people away from reading and watching the news. but first to that exlusive report on north korea. no—one has been able to enter or leave the country for over three years because of the their covid restrictions. now three people living in north korea have risked their lives to tell the bbc what's happening. they've told us food is so scarse, neighbours are starving to death. here's our seoul correspondent, jean mackenzie, and a warning — you may find the report distressing. supplies are so low. people are started dying. this chilling testimony comes from inside north korea. once i didn't eat for two days, i only drank water.
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recently, people have been knocking on the door asking for food _ because they're so hungry. hearing from people inside this isolated country is extremely rare. but with fears the country is on the brink of a famine, we've been secretly communicating with people who live there. we're using actors and animations to illustrate their words and have changed their names to protect them. in our village, five people have starved to death. chan ho is a construction worker living near the chinese border. in one family, the wife was too ill to work, so her two children were surviving by begging. in the end, all three of them died. at first i was afraid of dying from covid, but then i began to worry about starving to death. at the start of the pandemic, north korea completely sealed its borders.
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these pictures released by the regime are all the world has been able to see for years. no one has been allowed to enter the country. authorities even stopped food and medicine from crossing the border. in south korea, we began to get reports of chronic food shortages and so we teamed up with an organisation here. dalian k has sources inside the country who were able to get our questions to people. this person lives in the north korean capital, pyongyang, the wealthiest part of the country. she tells us even here, supplies are running dangerously low. once, i didn't eat for two days. i thought i was going to die in my sleep at night. my husband and i survived
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by thinking ten more days, and then another ten days, thinking if something happens, we might starve. but at least we'll feed our kids. there are lots of beggars now. if they're lying down, we check them and usually find they're dead. there are others who kill themselves at home or disappear into the mountains. we put our findings to the north korean government, the dprk. a representative from its embassy in london said... "the information you have collected is not entirely factual as it is derived from fabricated testimonies from anti—dprk forces. the dprk has always prioritised the interests of the people even at difficult times and has an unwavering commitment to the well—being of the people." to see more, you can watch jean mackenzie's documentary — north korea: the insiders — on bbc iplayer. for those watching from outside
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the uk, it will be shown on bbc news this weekend. in the united states, the federal reserve has left interest rates unchanged for the first time in more than a year. chairmanjerome powell held a news conference earlier. today a news conference earlier. we decided to waive oui interest today we decided to waive our policy interest rate unchanged —— lee. looking ahead nearly all committee disciplines view it as likely that some further rate increases will be appropriate this year to bring inflation down to 2% over time. live now to new york and our north america business correspondent, michelle fleury. what's the thinking here? the decision to — what's the thinking here? the decision to do _ what's the thinking here? tie: decision to do nothing was unanimous. the reason is if you go back to the start of march 2022,
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ever since then the macro to policymakers behind me have basically increased raise their key inch mark rate, and enormous amount inch mark rate, and enormous amount in a short period of time. so they decide that this was an inappropriate ornament to curb inflation, to take a break and look at the impact of the actions on the economy. it has pushed a borrowing cost everything from mortgages to business loans to credit cards. all that has gone up so they want to sort of take a moment and see how it is working and how the job is going. that said, the pain for consumers and businesses is likely not over. with that laster had a a0 year high. always a difficult balancing act. by
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keeping those prices under control but also not trying to dampen the economy too much. how much optimism is they're looking ahead to the second half of the year? the? is they're looking ahead to the second half of the year? they issued forecasts in — second half of the year? they issued forecasts in which _ second half of the year? they issued forecasts in which they _ second half of the year? they issued forecasts in which they were - second half of the year? they issued forecasts in which they were more i forecasts in which they were more optimistic about the strength of the economy, the unemployment picture, the problem is that inflation is also still a problem. i think this is where the the fed was entering dangerous territory because as it tries to basically keep cooling prices by raising interest rates it risks doing too much and therefore putting too many people out of a job. but if it does too little, then it risks inflation becoming what economists call entrenched. it was at pains to point out is the effect of that would be far more damaging in the long term. so they are trying
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to find that sweet spot between not tipping the economy into a recession at the same time curbing inflation and they recognise that in some ways this is the most delicate point in the dance that they are doing. thank you so much for that. let's bring in our panel now. rebecca harding — trade economist and mary anne marsh — democratic party strategist. great to see you and make you for coming on. they are at a delicate point in the dance, are they hitting the sweet spot in your opinion? in the sweet spot in your opinion? in my opinion, i think they are the sweet spot in your opinion? t�*i my opinion, i think they are playing their cards close to their toes but well. i think at the moment the fed needs to hold back on freezing rates for the sake of the global economy, there is a huge amount of dollars nominated debt that is out there which will impact the us economy as well as the global economy. the higher the interest rate goes the stronger the dollar gets in that makes borrowing elsewhere in the world more expensive. so there is a
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balance there to be struck between not just balance there to be struck between notjust tipping american recession but tipping the world into recession as well because of the power of the us dollar. so i was at the moment they have to play this game. america is finely balanced at the moment. a very tight labour market and what that means is there is always going to be inflationary pressures there. let's come to you, marianne because the politics of all this is never very far away, how do you think this is playing politically? for very far away, how do you think this is playing politically?— is playing politically? forjoe biden he has _ is playing politically? forjoe biden he has a _ is playing politically? forjoe biden he has a great - is playing politically? forjoe biden he has a great story i is playing politically? forjoe - biden he has a great story going into the — biden he has a great story going into the 2020 for reelection that he will face _ into the 2020 for reelection that he will face. the key here is the united states thus far has purse avoided — united states thus far has purse avoided a — united states thus far has purse avoided a recession. many thought it was inevitable, that is not the case — was inevitable, that is not the case it— was inevitable, that is not the case it is— was inevitable, that is not the case it is a _ was inevitable, that is not the case. it is a fine line. but looking at inflation — case. it is a fine line. but looking at inflation as down, unemployment is 3~3%~ _ at inflation as down, unemployment is 3.3%. wage growth is up and at the same time a lot of the supply chain— the same time a lot of the supply chain issues that we can try to
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during — chain issues that we can try to during covid and in its way customer to resolve _ during covid and in its way customer to resolve for themselves. so all of that is— to resolve for themselves. so all of that is in_ to resolve for themselves. so all of that is in the favour of not only the economy but if you are a president— the economy but if you are a president up for reelection like joe biden— president up for reelection like joe biden and — president up for reelection like joe biden and democrats across the board, — biden and democrats across the board, this is a great story to tell between — board, this is a great story to tell between now and november of 2024. interesting _ between now and november of 2024. interesting point. great to have you both with us and we will be back a little later. thank you. the greek government has declared three days of mourning following the deaths of at least 79 migrants who drowned when their boat capsized off the country's south coast. officials say many more could be missing. more than 100 have been rescued, but the greek coastguard says the search operation has been hampered by strong winds. it's thought the vessel may have been carrying up to a00 people. the greek government has declared three days of mourning following the deaths of at least 79 migrants, who drowned
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when their boat capsized off the country's south coast. officials say many more could be missing. and of course the hope of rescuing the missing is a challenge. have an image of the boat, this is one of the concerning images. a very overcrowded fishing vessel there. this came to us from greek coastguard before the boat capsized. the boat is reported to have been heading to italy from the libyan port of tobruk when it began taking on water late on tuesday. it's the deadliest shipwreck off the greek coast this year. the survivors are recovering in the port of kalamata, where the mayor has been talking to the media. we are shocked. we are shocked like everyone in greece. 0bviously, after we were informed of this incident, all services were mobilized, the municipality of kalamata, health care, etc.
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we have prepared. we are hearing that unfortunately the number of dead is increasing. we will keep you across the story. let's get some reaction to it from our panel because this is certainly not a new issue here in europe. we have been battling with it for years now. this problem of people coming across that stretch of water, very dangerous and it seems like we just got another example of that now. exactly and i think we have to look a very long and hard at policy towards migration because the unhcr, the human rights and health agency is saying that 117.2 million people will be forcibly displaced or at stateless in 2023. a massive increase, 17% on the previous year.
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a lot of that is notjust by escaping conflict it is also fleeing drought, famine which are the consequences of climate change. so we can expect an awful lot of more this to be happen. as people seem to maintain their lives, effectively post of it as a crisis of our own making, if you'd like. we need to speak on how we will resolve it. ., need to speak on how we will resolve it. . . ., need to speak on how we will resolve it. climate change exacerbating the roblem. it. climate change exacerbating the problem- your— it. climate change exacerbating the problem. your thoughts _ it. climate change exacerbating the problem. your thoughts on - it. climate change exacerbating the problem. your thoughts on what. it. climate change exacerbating the | problem. your thoughts on what we are sitting there and also of course the us, very familiar story thereto. in europe and around the world and that argues— in europe and around the world and that argues for global immigration poiicv _ that argues for global immigration policy. where it is orderly and numeric— policy. where it is orderly and numeric and people can be processed and directed to countries that should — and directed to countries that should accept them. and it is planned — should accept them. and it is planned so they can do that. instead what you _ planned so they can do that. instead what you have is people seeking a better— what you have is people seeking a better life, risking their life to -et better life, risking their life to get it — better life, risking their life to get it and _ better life, risking their life to get it and often time losing their life in— get it and often time losing their life. in this particular case where the boat was trying to get to italy,
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but on _ the boat was trying to get to italy, but on its — the boat was trying to get to italy, but on its way to greece. greece knew_ but on its way to greece. greece knew the — but on its way to greece. greece knew the boat was in trouble but yet they declined any assistance because they declined any assistance because the people on the boat knew that greece _ the people on the boat knew that greece was notorious for rejecting immigrants. in fact sent a boatload of immigrants recently out to sea. so that— of immigrants recently out to sea. so that is— of immigrants recently out to sea. so that is despicable and they should — so that is despicable and they should be punished for that, but there _ should be punished for that, but there is— should be punished for that, but there is no— should be punished for that, but there is no reason around the world why there is no reason around the world whv every— there is no reason around the world why every country cannot get together, regions, multinationals and decide how many immigrants everyone — and decide how many immigrants everyone can take every year and 'ust everyone can take every year and just do— everyone can take every year and just do it — everyone can take every year and just do it so — everyone can take every year and just do it so it is orderly, safe and _ just do it so it is orderly, safe and humanitarian. gn just do it so it is orderly, safe and humanitarian.— just do it so it is orderly, safe and humanitarian. on the us side, because we _ and humanitarian. on the us side, because we did _ and humanitarian. on the us side, because we did cover— and humanitarian. on the us side, because we did cover here - and humanitarian. on the us side, because we did cover here when i and humanitarian. on the us side, because we did cover here when it| because we did cover here when it was announced, the biden administration's attempt here which included ideas like having processing centres away from the us border in third countries for people to had to. i wonder where we are on delivering those kinds of solutions at the moment?— at the moment? sadly it is always been an issue _ at the moment? sadly it is always been an issue of _ at the moment? sadly it is always been an issue of politics _ at the moment? sadly it is always been an issue of politics for- been an issue of politics for the last 20 — been an issue of politics for the last 20 years or so, when i first
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started — last 20 years or so, when i first started working in government for the united states senator then, john kerry. _ the united states senator then, john kerry, immigration was a orderly thing. — kerry, immigration was a orderly thing you — kerry, immigration was a orderly thing. you could become a citizen within— thing. you could become a citizen within a _ thing. you could become a citizen within a couple of years. you could -et within a couple of years. you could get to _ within a couple of years. you could get to the — within a couple of years. you could get to the us very easily but it has become _ get to the us very easily but it has become such a political theme that republicans here, and it is a person issue, _ republicans here, and it is a person issue. the _ republicans here, and it is a person issue, the public is undermined whenever— issue, the public is undermined whenever they are in power and issue, the public is undermined wheneverthey are in powerand in this case _ wheneverthey are in powerand in this case they have the house right now, _ this case they have the house right now, undermine the political immigration process so they have a political— immigration process so they have a political issue that they can use during — political issue that they can use during campaigns. it is very cynical but that— during campaigns. it is very cynical but that is— during campaigns. it is very cynical but that is exactly what has been happening in during the trump years the immigration system wasjust decimated. so the biden administration is rebuilding the immigration system which is woefully behind _ immigration system which is woefully behind and _ immigration system which is woefully behind and in terrible shape at the same _ behind and in terrible shape at the same time, — behind and in terrible shape at the same time, there is even greater demand — same time, there is even greater demand for— same time, there is even greater demand for more migrants coming to the united states which is why this global— the united states which is why this global problem is needed to be addressed. will global problem is needed to be addressed-— global problem is needed to be addressed. ~ , . ,, , ., addressed. will be back with you both a little _ addressed. will be back with you both a little later _ addressed. will be back with you both a little later but _ addressed. will be back with you both a little later but thank - addressed. will be back with you both a little later but thank you i both a little later but thank you for the moment. around the world and across
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the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some of the other stories making headlines today. thousands of people have attended a vigil at the university of nottingham for the two students who were killed in the city. barnaby webber and grace 0'malley—kumar were both 19. they were stabbed early yesterday morning. the third victim was named today as 65—year—old ian coates — a primary school caretaker. thousands ofjunior doctors across england have walked out today in the latest round of strikes in a dispute over pay. the british medical association rejected a 5% pay offer — instead calling for 35% to reflect how pay has fallen over more than a decade. the government says the walk—out will put patient safety at risk. a deal to create the uk's biggest mobile phone operator has been struck by vodafone and the owner of three uk. the firms plan to merge their uk—based operations, giving them around 27 million customers and making it the biggest mobile network in the uk. the deal is yet to be
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approved by regulators, which will look at whether it will push up customer prices. you're live with bbc news. we're going to look at how the media covered donald trump's historic appearance in court yesterday. he denied 37 charges related to the mishandling of national security documents. after appearing in court, he gave a speech to supporters. fox news was the only major cable news network to carry trump's speech live, cnn and msnbc choosing not to. and cnn hostjake tapper ordered his control room to cut away from showing trump's visit to a bakery in miami after his court appearance. as we watch donald trump attempt to turn his arrest and indictment into some sort of campaign commercial, we need to remember the reason we are watching this is because donald trump is accused of breaking some very serious
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national security laws. folks in the control room, i don't need to see any more of that. he's trying to turn it into a spectacle, a campaign ad. that's enough of that. live now to brian stelter, who's the former chief media correspondent for cnn. thank you for coming onto the programme. so what do make ofjake tapper comments there that he did not want to run that footage any more saying here is blue turning it into a campaign at essentially. that, i think was right. he was trying to determine if the worst is of his life, donald trump, one of the most legally troubled days of his life into a campaign event by being all smiles. by projecting strength and popularity on a date that was actually all about weakness and his own legal vulnerability. so jake tapper was right about what donald trump was trying to do and i
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think it was a very specific point here and a broader point. cnn specifically is trying to win its audience back in the wake of last month's trump town hall giving him more than an hour of air time answering questions from voters and trump use that to attack cnn. so in the wake of that trump town hall which was widely criticised cnn the strength to win back its audience and show they are on the side of truth and on the side of his life thatis truth and on the side of his life that is a very specific thing going on and the broader issue of course is about how the american media and the global media is going to cover a demagogue who is clearly a time and time again using the media to mislead the public. how will the press handle in this time the leading contenderfor press handle in this time the leading contender for the press handle in this time the leading contenderfor the republican leading contender for the republican nomination... leading contender for the republican nomination. . ._ nomination... let's look exactly that. do nomination... let's look exactly that- do you _ nomination... let's look exactly that. do you think _ nomination... let's look exactly that. do you think editors - nomination... let's look exactly | that. do you think editors across the us have sat down with their teams and made a decision that they are not going to broadcast his life
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speeches because they know his history? what kind of decision is being made? it is history? what kind of decision is being made?— history? what kind of decision is bein: made? , . , ., ., being made? it is a fluid situation. not a firm decision _ being made? it is a fluid situation. not a firm decision that _ being made? it is a fluid situation. not a firm decision that will - being made? it is a fluid situation. not a firm decision that will be - not a firm decision that will be set in stone for the next year. a fluid situation instead, but one that does need to be discussed inside and one thatis need to be discussed inside and one that is been contemplated in advance for example cnn decided 12 hours in advance that they most likely were not going to show his speech live when he went back to his golf club and celebrated with his friends and claims to be the victim of a witch hunt. cnn determined in advance as did msnbc that he was most likely going tojust mislead did msnbc that he was most likely going to just mislead and mislead and distort and spread misinformation that is what they were not going to air all about. [30 were not going to air all about. do ou were not going to air all about. do you think they were right to do that? ., , ., ~ you think they were right to do that? ., , ., 4' , you think they were right to do that? ., ,., ~ , ., that? the reason i think they are riaht not that? the reason i think they are right not to _ that? the reason i think they are right not to show _ that? the reason i think they are right not to show trunk _ that? the reason i think they are right not to show trunk live - that? the reason i think they are right not to show trunk live when they have a very high likelihood knowing what is good to come out of his mouth is bunch of frankly garbage is because the role of the bbc, abc and all of these big
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broadcasters is to report the truth. to get us closer to the truth as possible the purpose of broadcasting the news is not to provide a platform for nonsense a disinformation and end window. so they are trained to be on the side of truth and of course that put them in opposition to donald trump. great to net our in opposition to donald trump. great to get your thoughts. _ in opposition to donald trump. great to get your thoughts. let's _ in opposition to donald trump. great to get your thoughts. let's bring in our panel. what do you make there of what brian was saying? defending those broadcasters for not showing that donald trump speech live. absolutely ri . ht into donald trump speech live. absolutely right into lesson _ donald trump speech live. absolutely right into lesson learned _ donald trump speech live. absolutely right into lesson learned eight - right into lesson learned eight years— right into lesson learned eight years too— right into lesson learned eight years too late _ right into lesson learned eight years too late donald - right into lesson learned eight years too late donald trump l right into lesson learned eight| years too late donald trump is essentially— years too late donald trump is essentially turn _ years too late donald trump is essentially turn every - years too late donald trump is essentially turn every media i years too late donald trump is - essentially turn every media outlet in the _ essentially turn every media outlet in the us— essentially turn every media outlet in the us into— essentially turn every media outlet in the us into state _ essentially turn every media outlet in the us into state tv— essentially turn every media outlet in the us into state tv because - essentially turn every media outlet. in the us into state tv because they have taken— in the us into state tv because they have taken everything _ in the us into state tv because they have taken everything he _ in the us into state tv because they have taken everything he has - in the us into state tv because they have taken everything he has set. in the us into state tv because they have taken everything he has set inl have taken everything he has set in much _ have taken everything he has set in much of— have taken everything he has set in much of what — have taken everything he has set in much of what he _ have taken everything he has set in much of what he says _ have taken everything he has set in much of what he says is— have taken everything he has set in much of what he says is a - have taken everything he has set in much of what he says is a lie - have taken everything he has set in much of what he says is a lie and ii much of what he says is a lie and i see that _ much of what he says is a lie and i see that openly— much of what he says is a lie and i see that openly on _ much of what he says is a lie and i see that openly on tv, _ much of what he says is a lie and ii see that openly on tv, propaganda and there _ see that openly on tv, propaganda and there is— see that openly on tv, propaganda and there is no— see that openly on tv, propaganda and there is no correction - see that openly on tv, propaganda and there is no correction on - see that openly on tv, propaganda and there is no correction on the i and there is no correction on the other— and there is no correction on the other side — and there is no correction on the other side. and _ and there is no correction on the other side. and to _ and there is no correction on the other side. and to brian's- and there is no correction on the other side. and to brian's point. and there is no correction on the i other side. and to brian's point on the cnn _ other side. and to brian's point on the cnn townhall_ other side. and to brian's point on the cnn townhall that— other side. and to brian's point on the cnn townhall that first - other side. and to brian's point on the cnn townhall that first one i other side. and to brian's point on. the cnn townhall that first one with trump _ the cnn townhall that first one with trump was — the cnn townhall that first one with trump was the — the cnn townhall that first one with trump was the perfect _ the cnn townhall that first one with trump was the perfect example - the cnn townhall that first one with trump was the perfect example of. the cnn townhall that first one withl trump was the perfect example of it.
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cnn has _ trump was the perfect example of it. cnn has the — trump was the perfect example of it. cnn has the best— trump was the perfect example of it. cnn has the best factor— trump was the perfect example of it. cnn has the best factor in _ trump was the perfect example of it. cnn has the best factor in the - cnn has the best factor in the business _ cnn has the best factor in the business. daniel— cnn has the best factor in the business. daniel dale. - cnn has the best factor in the business. daniel dale. all- cnn has the best factor in the business. daniel dale. all you cnn has the best factor in the - business. daniel dale. all you had to do— business. daniel dale. all you had to do was— business. daniel dale. all you had to do was reload _ business. daniel dale. all you had to do was reload their— business. daniel dale. all you had to do was reload their bubbles - business. daniel dale. all you had to do was reload their bubbles toi to do was reload their bubbles to all of— to do was reload their bubbles to all of the — to do was reload their bubbles to all of the lies _ to do was reload their bubbles to all of the lies that _ to do was reload their bubbles to all of the lies that donald - to do was reload their bubbles to all of the lies that donald trumpl all of the lies that donald trump normally— all of the lies that donald trump normally tells— all of the lies that donald trump normally tells put _ all of the lies that donald trump normally tells put on _ all of the lies that donald trump normally tells put on a - all of the lies that donald trump normally tells put on a screen i all of the lies that donald trump i normally tells put on a screen with video— normally tells put on a screen with video and — normally tells put on a screen with video and everything _ normally tells put on a screen with video and everything and - normally tells put on a screen with video and everything and spot. - normally tells put on a screen with i video and everything and spot. check him in _ video and everything and spot. check him in real— video and everything and spot. check him in realtime. _ video and everything and spot. check him in realtime. with— video and everything and spot. check him in real time. with his _ video and everything and spot. check him in real time. with his own- him in real time. with his own words — him in real time. with his own words so— him in real time. with his own words so i_ him in real time. with his own words. so i do— him in real time. with his own words. so i do not— him in real time. with his own words. so i do not think- him in real time. with his own words. so i do not think there| him in real time. with his own. words. so i do not think there is any need — words. so i do not think there is any need for— words. so i do not think there is any need for media _ words. so i do not think there is any need for media to _ words. so i do not think there is any need for media to follow - words. so i do not think there is any need for media to follow his plane _ any need for media to follow his plane from _ any need for media to follow his plane from new _ any need for media to follow his plane from new york— any need for media to follow his plane from new york to - any need for media to follow his plane from new york to florida i any need for media to follow his i plane from new york to florida or the motorcades_ plane from new york to florida or the motorcades to _ plane from new york to florida or the motorcades to the _ plane from new york to florida or the motorcades to the court - plane from new york to florida or. the motorcades to the court houses or anything — the motorcades to the court houses or anything like _ the motorcades to the court houses or anything like that _ the motorcades to the court houses or anything like that like _ the motorcades to the court houses or anything like that like he - the motorcades to the court houses or anything like that like he is - the motorcades to the court houses or anything like that like he is oj. or anything like that like he is oj simpson — or anything like that like he is oj simpson it— or anything like that like he is oj simpson it is— or anything like that like he is oj simpson. it is so— or anything like that like he is oj simpson. it is so much- or anything like that like he is oj simpson. it is so much damagel simpson. it is so much damage has already— simpson. it is so much damage has already been — simpson. it is so much damage has already been done _ simpson. it is so much damage has already been done to _ simpson. it is so much damage has already been done to the _ simpson. it is so much damage has already been done to the united . already been done to the united states— already been done to the united states and — already been done to the united states and the _ already been done to the united states and the propaganda - already been done to the united states and the propaganda thatl already been done to the united - states and the propaganda that media outlets _ states and the propaganda that media outlets have _ states and the propaganda that media outlets have allowed _ states and the propaganda that media outlets have allowed donald _ states and the propaganda that media outlets have allowed donald trump i states and the propaganda that media outlets have allowed donald trump toj outlets have allowed donald trump to say and _ outlets have allowed donald trump to say and the _ outlets have allowed donald trump to say and the proof— outlets have allowed donald trump to say and the proof is _ outlets have allowed donald trump to say and the proof is undeniable. - say and the proof is undeniable. let's _ say and the proof is undeniable. let's try— say and the proof is undeniable. let's try to _ say and the proof is undeniable. let's try to put _ say and the proof is undeniable. let's try to put the _ say and the proof is undeniable. let's try to put the other- say and the proof is undeniable. let's try to put the other side i say and the proof is undeniable. i let's try to put the other side here which is that this is potentially the republican nominee, potentially the republican nominee, potentially the next president of the united states, rebecca harding people deserve to hear what he has got to say. i deserve to hear what he has got to sa . ~' . deserve to hear what he has got to sa . ~ , ., ., , say. i think there is another very fine line here _ say. i think there is another very fine line here to _ say. i think there is another very fine line here to be _ say. i think there is another very fine line here to be played - say. i think there is another very i fine line here to be played between what is _ fine line here to be played between what is reality and what is not
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reality— what is reality and what is not reality and i think there is a very fine line — reality and i think there is a very fine line that public broadcasters have to — fine line that public broadcasters have to play with all of this. i think— have to play with all of this. i think we _ have to play with all of this. i think we are coming up to an election and at the moment the choice _ election and at the moment the choice seems to be pretty binary. it is between — choice seems to be pretty binary. it is between somebody who will go to 'ail, is between somebody who will go to jail. if— is between somebody who will go to jail. if he _ is between somebody who will go to jail. if he is— is between somebody who will go to jail, if he is not elected and somebody who will not go to go to 'ail somebody who will not go to go to jail if_ somebody who will not go to go to jail if he _ somebody who will not go to go to jail if he is — somebody who will not go to go to jail if he is elected so this is turn — jail if he is elected so this is turn the _ jail if he is elected so this is turn the whole election campaign into a circus. so from watching from the outside as we are in the uk, yes there is— the outside as we are in the uk, yes there is a _ the outside as we are in the uk, yes there is a right to be told the truth — there is a right to be told the truth but _ there is a right to be told the truth but is in a campaign, isn't an election— truth but is in a campaign, isn't an election campaign about putting forward — election campaign about putting forward visions of the and all i is doing _ forward visions of the and all i is doing at— forward visions of the and all i is doing at the moment is actually playing — doing at the moment is actually playing the past —— trump. it reflects — playing the past —— trump. it reflects the deep divisions in american politics at the moment. given— american politics at the moment. given all— american politics at the moment. given all of— american politics at the moment. given all of that you seem to have panelist who seemed to agree with you. if
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panelist who seemed to agree with ou. , ., , ., panelist who seemed to agree with ou. , you. if you is giving a policy speech. if— you. if you is giving a policy speech, if he _ you. if you is giving a policy speech, if he has _ you. if you is giving a policy speech, if he has a - you. if you is giving a policy speech, if he has a new - you. if you is giving a policy i speech, if he has a new vision you. if you is giving a policy - speech, if he has a new vision going forward to the country than that is a different calculation for the major networks but if he is only going to come out and talk about his grievances, the past, if he's going to attack the judge or the prosecutor or everyone then that is a calculation that i think cnn has to be fair about. the bottom line is the problem is not the media in this conversation the problem is the liar. the problem is the environment of supply and demand were right now yes donald trump is the supply for a fantasy land where he is always under attack where his supporters are under a tachometer where he said he is being prosecuted because he's supporting them, defending them. that any land —— fantasyland is the supply. that any land —— fantasyland is the supply, the issue is the demand. the demand to be like to wear it in the alternative universe donald trump is the only strongman who can save america. that is the big lie of 2023-202a in the us america. that is the big lie of 2023—202a in the us and the demand for that lie, that is the struggle and the challenge going forward. the news outlets are troubled about what to do about the demand to be lied
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to. ., , ., ., ., i. to. out of time. great to have your thoughts and _ to. out of time. great to have your thoughts and thank _ to. out of time. great to have your thoughts and thank you _ to. out of time. great to have your thoughts and thank you so - to. out of time. great to have your thoughts and thank you so much i to. out of time. great to have your| thoughts and thank you so much for coming onto the programme. we appreciate your time and picks a course to our panel. who will still be here. we will catch up with them in just a be here. we will catch up with them injust a moment. this is to business. hello there. for the vast majority of places, today was just a straightforward, fine, dry, sunny and very warm summer's day. look at this beautiful picture from a weather watcher in guernsey. however, also a beautiful picture, but a picture of something different from northern scotland. this was the exception. a big storm cloud there indicative of what was going on in northern scotland. you can see it here on our earlier satellite and radar sequence, some heavy showers and thunderstorms thatjust moved across the far north of scotland while the vast majority of other places stayed dry with lots of sunshine. through tonight's largely clear skies overhead, those showers in northern scotland fade some areas of low cloud mist and fog here and there.
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and if anything, a little bit cooler and fresher than some of the nights we've had so far this week, nine to 1a degrees, the overnight lows for most, but into tomorrow, most places getting off to a fine and sunny start. much of the low cloud lifting, some may linger close to western coast, but again, some very isolated thunderstorms. there could just be one or two in the far north of scotland again. conversely, further south in glasgow, it should stay dry with highs of 26 or 27. western counties of northern ireland seeing some showers and thunderstorms, one or two popping up over the hills and mountains of wales and perhaps the moors of the west country can't completely rule out a shower elsewhere, but it should be largely dry. there will be a few places, though, where temperatures are just a degree or two down on where they have been of late. into friday this area of low pressure in the atlantic swirls ever closer, and this frontal system pushing northwards would introduce the chance for some thunderstorms in the far south—west of england, the far south—west of wales,
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but more especially northern ireland, one or two popping up elsewhere. most places will be dry and with a subtle change in the wind direction, the winds not quite coming in off the chilly waters of the north sea. it is going to feeljust a little bit warmerfor some of these eastern coasts, up to around 2a or 25 degrees. into the weekend, our area of low pressure swirls towards us, and this will bring some sporadic outbreaks of showery rain and perhaps some heavier and more widespread thundery rain pushing northwards by the end of the weekend. so the increasing chance of some heavy downpours through the weekend and temperatures coming down just a little bit.
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