but it's his role as acclaim. but it's his role as logan roy in succession, the maniacal media bosch and terrifying patriarch that has seen him become a superstar. you have to be a killer. from everything from scottish politics. we have been treated so badly time and time again. to his fellow actors. michael caine? the winner of numerous awards for his performances on stage and screen, he is a master of his craft. now in his mid— 705, is it the height and the height of his anger politically. very good to see you, thank you so much for speaking to me on

the bbc. i want to talk to about so much. i think it makes sense to begin at the end and this is where we cut to when enormous this is where we cut to when enormou5 spoiler alert, we tell people that logan roy in succe55ion doe5 die. wa5 people that logan roy in succe55ion doe5 die. was it strange leaving this production, 5uch strange leaving this production, such a big part of your life and mind. you'll it was such an odd feeling. i looked on it wrongly a5 a form of rejection. i looked upon it, you have done with logan, you created this monster and you don't know, you got rid of him in a pretty brilliant way. that was so brilliant the way he did it because there was no set up, we didn't know it was going to happen, it gets on the plane. hejust had this huge, these first two acts, epi5ode hejust had this huge, these first two acts, episode one, episode two, we see this in epi5ode two, we see this in full blast. and suddenly he's gone. i was fine with a bit

rejected. i'm going to end up as an ear on the carpet, on the plane. as an ear on the carpet, on the lane. , , ., , as an ear on the carpet, on the lane. , , . ., plane. the series was created by british _ plane. the series was created by british writer _ plane. the series was created by british writer and - plane. the series was created by british writer and producer| by british writer and producer jesse armstrong. he by british writer and producer je55e armstrong. he is je55e arm5trong. he is delivered nearly a0 epi5ode5 je55e arm5trong. he is delivered nearly a0 episodes in one of the most famous characters in recent television history. did you have any 5way. maybe logan shouldn't die? there is no point going down that road. je55e has already made a plan. in a way, he probably got slightly hoisted by his own petard on that one. the scripts got later and later, it was a big change. he decided to make logan die, i think, ultimately too early. he

made and i'm episode. maybe you could have died and about the fifth or sixth episode, i thought that would have been appropriate. ihis thought that would have been appmpriate-— appropriate. his character's death made _ appropriate. his character's death made headlines - appropriate. his character's l death made headlines around appropriate. his character's - death made headlines around the world, highlightingjust death made headlines around the world, highlighting just how far he had come in his acting career. but how we got there is a story in itself, and it begins living in impoverishment in dundee. his father charles was a shopkeeper being generous to a fault. much to the dismay of his mother, maryanne stop my mum and dad always had this tension between them. my dad was a giver _ tension between them. my dad was a giver and _ tension between them. my dad was a giver and my _ tension between them. my dad was a giver and my mother - tension between them. my dad| was a giver and my mother was tension between them. my dad l was a giver and my mother was a conservative. she was conserving because she had to. she had five kids. i mean basically, my mother's viewers charity begins at home. charities find that it begins at home, you have to start at home. my dad's viewers the

opposite. he said we are fine. it's not them, it's the other people we have to think about. that idea of thinking about others would become a key theme of his life. but to him it was about those it was entertaining, something he first did one new year's eve. we had big part in house and it's a small house, it was a tenant. two bedrooms, my three sisters slept in one, my mum and dad in the other and my brother and i slept in the alcove in the kitchen. they would wake me at one o'clock and literally packed full of people. my dad was very popular. and very loved. that's how you use to entertain one another. and then introduce me. and i would be my pyjamas, aged three and do aljolson

impersonations. i would stand in the bunker and i remember the effect on the room. that harmony would soon be shattered. his father lost thousands, investing in property and was virtually endless when he was diagnosed at age 51 with pancreatic cancer. didn't know how well my dad was. i came home from school one day. it was all very sudden. my dad died within three weeks of his diagnosis. it is or has been very hard for me. my dad was so mythic. i was eight when he died, so he was this big presence, mythical

presence, and exude kindness, exude it. it's a hard act to follow. because you think, what do i do. he is my dad. i've got that in me but i've also got my mum and me. i've also got charity begins at home, i've also got the pain that she went through as a result is of his demise and the fact that he hadn't completed certain things and left us £10 in the bank because he'd given so much away to other people. and how she was virtually destroyed by it. his mother's breakdown would lead to hospitalisation. she was in the royal hospital. it was in the royal hospital. it was west green which was the insane asylum. in the next is

the disease is where my mother was. a memory was gone. and it was the effect on the room, i thought, "what happens to human...?" i mean, i was a wee boy, but it was something watching movies fanned the flame for acting and gave cox the belief a working—class boy could be a star. i was in love with the cinema and i wanted to be an actor. but really, i suppose, i wanted to be an american actor. so, i was very much enamoured of american movies. but then, i got really rather depressed and i thought, so, i was very much enamoured

of american movies. this it was on a hill town in dundee, 1961, 1962. iwent to see this film called saturday night and sunday morning. there was this guy _ night and sunday morning. there was this guy up _ night and sunday morning. there was this guy up there, _ night and sunday morning. there was this guy up there, who - was this guy up there, who didn't look like me, and he is not american. but he's got this incredible energy. it was albert finney.— incredible energy. it was albert finney. seems it's friday night. _ albert finney. seems it's friday night. isabella - albert finney. seems it's friday night. isabella got| albert finney. seems it's i friday night. isabella got his hand — friday night. isabella got his hand court. of course, he's hand court. of course, he's only— hand court. of course, he's only got— hand court. of course, he's only got one eye. he lost the site of— only got one eye. he lost the site of the other one.- site of the other one. albert finne , site of the other one. albert finney. i — site of the other one. albert finney. i owe _ site of the other one. albert finney, i owe so _ site of the other one. albert finney, i owe so much - site of the other one. albert finney, i owe so much to. i finney, i owe so much to. eventually, he became a friend and an influence, he was a huge influence. because it was the real deal. from salford, you know. he is phenomenal. and

then he did luther, and he went to america with luther. it then he did luther, and he went to america with luther.- to america with luther. it made cox realise- _ to america with luther. it made cox realise. his _ to america with luther. it made cox realise. his career - to america with luther. it made cox realise. his career began i cox realise. his career began force after an inauspicious schooling. he would finally start to shine. your education was disastrous. you just didn't school it. was disastrous. you 'ust didn't schoolit. was disastrous. you 'ust didn't school at school it. school was for me. it wasn't _ school it. school was for me. it wasn't long _ school it. school was for me. it wasn't long before - school it. school was for me. it wasn't long before cox - school it. school was for me. it wasn't long before cox was on the other side of the curtain. on the other side of the curtain-— on the other side of the curtain. , ., i. curtain. did it feel to your arriving — curtain. did it feel to your arriving from _ curtain. did it feel to your arriving from dundee - curtain. did it feel to your arriving from dundee into j curtain. did it feel to your- arriving from dundee into the swimming 605, did it feel like a time in a place where a

working—class lad with talent at a fair shake? working-class lad with talent at a fair shake?— working-class lad with talent at a fair shake? absolutely. it was so open _ at a fair shake? absolutely. it was so open in _ at a fair shake? absolutely. it was so open in the _ at a fair shake? absolutely. it was so open in the 60s. - at a fair shake? absolutely. it| was so open in the 60s. there was so open in the 605. there is all classes were welcomed. you know, there was a sort of feeling that we could be classless, american chrissy. but it's impossible not to instinctively contrast that when we see with acting today, because there has been a lot of commentary about the dominance. at least at the very top of actors. a5 so many of them. dominic west. benedict cumberbatch. so many of them, they are so outstanding. why has it happened stop we ignored a certain amount of the populace. with actually cut off all the channels that were possible. it's depressing. depressing in the sense that the channels are not there.

it's so easy to establish those channels. a5 it's so easy to establish those channels. as it was for me. cox took full advantage of the opportunities offered to him, quickly becoming a highly successful theatre actor playing some the most coveted roles including titus andronicus and king lear. he won an 0livier award for his role in retin—a skull, one of many awards he received for his stage and screen work as a tv and then film career followed. succession came late but the role has been among the best of his career and he dominated the screen. you seem to have had a grudging affection for this chap, logan right. i grudging affection for this chap, logan right.- grudging affection for this chap, logan right. i lived with him for so _ chap, logan right. i lived with him for so long, _ chap, logan right. i lived with him for so long, he _ chap, logan right. i lived with him for so long, he was - chap, logan right. i lived with him for so long, he was a - him for so long, he was a lovely man, a man who's been through a lot of trauma as a child. and we saw these little incidents, when he swims in the very first second series i think if you see the scars on his back and it's never explained. that's the strength. he never ever explain. with;

explained. that's the strength. he never ever explain. why has succession _ he never ever explain. why has succession be _ he never ever explain. why has succession be so _ he never ever explain. why has succession be so successful? i he never ever explain. why has l succession be so successful? we see the horrible, horrible drunk. ~ �* , ., , drunk. we've seen all these ignominious _ drunk. we've seen all these ignominious people. - drunk. we've seen all these - ignominious people. succession ta -s into ignominious people. succession taps into something _ ignominious people. succession taps into something very - taps into something very contemporary. because of donald trump. contemporary. because of donald trum-. ~ ., ., contemporary. because of donald trum-. ~ ., .. ., trump. murdoch to a certain extent. murdoch _ trump. murdoch to a certain extent. murdoch is - trump. murdoch to a certain extent. murdoch is canny. i trump. murdoch to a certain | extent. murdoch is canny. he trump. murdoch to a certain i extent. murdoch is canny. he is much canny. it is a lot smarter, i think. much canny. it is a lot smarter, ithink. because he doesn't declare himself. i think that's the element. that lack of self declaration. logan is a man of few words as we

know. a5 is a man of few words as we know. as we know murdoch is, murdoch is a man of action and when he does something like sending a fax to his, giving jerry hall the heave ho. the way he does. he is monstrous. also, that's interesting. he said earlier, _ also, that's interesting. he said earlier, we've had some good times, jerry, which is one way of saying it. he has worked with some of the biggest stars both behind and in front of the camera. it was averse to play hannibal lecter in the film debbie mount hunter, giving an intense performance.— hunter, giving an intense performance. did you get my car? i got — performance. did you get my car? i got it. _ performance. did you get my car? i got it, thank— performance. did you get my car? i got it, thank you. i performance. did you get my car? i got it, thank you. how| car? i got it, thank you. how is officer— car? i got it, thank you. how is officer stuart? _ car? i got it, thank you. how is officer stuart? he - car? i got it, thank you. how is officer stuart? he is i car? i got it, thank you. how is officer stuart? he is fine. l is officer stuart? he is fine. emotional _ is officer stuart? he is fine. emotional problems, i- is officer stuart? he is fine. | emotional problems, i hear. is officer stuart? he is fine. i emotional problems, i hear. no, of course you don't. it

emotional problems, i hear. no, of course you don't.— of course you don't. it came five years — of course you don't. it came five years before _ of course you don't. it came five years before anthony i five years before anthony hopkins play the role in silence of the lambs. too much great public acclaim. it is wron: great public acclaim. it is wrong to _ great public acclaim. it is wrong to get _ great public acclaim. it is wrong to get into - great public acclaim. it is wrong to get into a i great public acclaim. it 3 wrong to get into a situation where you feel you only role. that is your role, you own it. and that's not healthy. you have to let it pass. this is why i'd go back to thejen armstrong situation, with roles, just let them pass, they go through you, you don't want to hold on. i remember i got caught that way because i was sleeping in a hotel room and the phone rang and it was somebody from the daily may and he was talking about hannibal lecter the and they said and he would be first hannibal lecter and i said yes, i was the first, was the first hannibal lecter, and that was the heading on the newspaper —— the daily mail. "imb first hannibal lecter to," it said. it was

awful. it sounded very vainglorious and that i own is the part. and, of course, tony apparently saw this, somebody pointed it out to him and he got very upset, rightly, because it was geared, steered in a certain way and it was very unpleasant.— in a certain way and it was very unpleasant. sony is in tony hopkins. _ very unpleasant. sony is in tony hopkins. tony i very unpleasant. sony is in l tony hopkins. tony hopkins. very unpleasant. sony is in i tony hopkins. tony hopkins. and his then wife, _ tony hopkins. tony hopkins. and his then wife, i _ tony hopkins. tony hopkins. and his then wife, i that _ tony hopkins. tony hopkins. and his then wife, i that it's _ tony hopkins. tony hopkins. and his then wife, i that it's got i his then wife, i that it's got nothing to do with me, i was lying asleep and they ring me and they bushwhacked you like they do, i said yes, i was give us, well, iwas, it was they do, i said yes, i was give us, well, i was, it was simple, but i don't have any ownership on the role. hannibal has been played by a lot of people sense, it's a bit like hamlet. you can't only role in saying hamlet, imb king lear. no, if you have seen schofield play king lear, 0livier�*s leah, there are 70 versions of king lear around and they are all equally good, you know. who

lear around and they are all equally good, you know. who can ola a equally good, you know. who can play a part _ equally good, you know. who can play a part has — equally good, you know. who can play a part has become _ play a part has become increasingly controversial subject in recent years. as some have claimed, roles should go to those who in real life best identify with a character. what about this idea that only actors who have certain experiences they certain roles. it is again watto talk about earlier on, interfering with the imagination. i earlier on, interfering with the imagination.— earlier on, interfering with the imagination. i asked in mick allen _ the imagination. i asked in mick allen about _ the imagination. i asked in mick allen about this i the imagination. i asked in mick allen about this and i the imagination. i asked in i mick allen about this and he said a very similar thing to you and it kicked off a bit, maybe a couple of years ago, when helen mirren played golden bear, people said helen mirren is notjewish and therefore she cannot play a jewish leader. —— gold up mia. your point with acting as sometimes you have got to be something you are not, right?— not, right? exactly. that is the point- _ not, right? exactly. that is the point. we _ not, right? exactly. that is the point. we can - not, right? exactly. that is the point. we can inhabit l the point. we can inhabit roles. �* , the point. we can inhabit roles. r the point. we can inhabit roles. a ., ., roles. as part of ever to achieve _ roles. as part of ever to achieve what _ roles. as part of ever to achieve what some i roles. as part of ever to achieve what some say | roles. as part of ever to l achieve what some say is roles. as part of ever to i achieve what some say is fairer representation, minimum targets are being set in some parts of the industry. the 05cars recently introduced quotas, suggesting that films would only be considered for awards

if they met certain standards on diversity and inclusion. richard dreyfus said this made him vomit. is that it is an art, no—one should be telling me as an artist eye have to give into the latest most current idea what morality is. what do you think of the idea that 05cars should be subject to diversity and inclusion? i think we have to be diverse, that's a different problem, but they don't think that we have to be, say, we have to gear it in that way, because we are not telling the truth. we have to telling the truth. we have to tell the truth, you know. because the oscars have to be judged and artistic merit above all? . �* , judged and artistic merit above all? ., �* , , all? that's right. it is the merit. all? that's right. it is the merit- i _ all? that's right. it is the merit. i agree _ all? that's right. it is the merit. i agree with i all? that's right. it is the i merit. i agree with richard. and they understand that. because there is a highly imaginative actor who has done some great work. he understands what talking about. more power for speaking up about it. of course is not going to popular because nobody likes it answers that's wrong, we have to do this, we have to do that. the most shocking _ this, we have to do that. the most shocking issue - this, we have to do that. the most shocking issue within the acting industry in recent years

has been the sexual exploitation of women. the most notorious abuse of the producer harvey weinstein is now serving a nearly a0 year sentence for rape. do you feel there was a conspiracy of silence now? well, of course. not a conspiracy of silence, a conspiracy of silence, a conspiracy of silence, a conspiracy of silence acceptability. that's what it was. we accepted it, wrongly so. and there were so many actresses from the 19305 and 19505 who had to go through the most horrible things dealing with it, much more horrible than this present generation is said to deal with and theyjust did it, they did it because they had no recourse not to do it. and there were a lot of these pretty strong women who dealt with what was going on, you know, this sort of sexual exploitation of actresses in a way. exploitation of actresses in a wa . ., , ., exploitation of actresses in a wa. ., , ., , ., ., ., way. lots of strong women have s-oken way. lots of strong women have spoken out _ way. lots of strong women have spoken out about _ way. lots of strong women have spoken out about harvey i spoken out about harvey weinstein and brought him to justice. weinstein and brought him to 'ustice. . ,

weinstein and brought him to 'ustice. ., , ., justice. right, finally that ball burst, _ justice. right, finally that ball burst, it _ justice. right, finally that ball burst, it should i justice. right, finally that ball burst, it should have| justice. right, finally that i ball burst, it should have as many as before harvey weinstein but it didn't. many as before harvey weinstein but it didn't-— but it didn't. cox's passion and willingness _ but it didn't. cox's passion and willingness to - but it didn't. cox's passion and willingness to speak i but it didn't. cox's passion l and willingness to speak his mind has bled beyond the acting industry with him becoming one of the loudest voices in the fight for scottish independence. the nation we are talking about is, for now, the united kingdom. it think it makes sense to turn to politics because you have been a great supporter of scottish independence and of the scottish national party. just for people who don't know enough about your politics and know you only through acting, why is your instinct still that scotland would be stronger on its own? i scotland would be stronger on its own? . , scotland would be stronger on its own? ., . scotland would be stronger on its own? .,, ., . ., its own? i was the voice of labour. — its own? i was the voice of labour, i _ its own? i was the voice of labour, i was _ its own? i was the voice of labour, i was a _ its own? i was the voice of labour, i was a member. its own? i was the voice of| labour, i was a member of its own? i was the voice of- labour, i was a member of the labour, i was a member of the labour party for many years. but it was a raack. and we should have been able to stand up should have been able to stand up and say no, this is not right, we are destabilising a whole... —— iraq. we're still suffering from what we have donein suffering from what we have done in a and the ramifications of that have been horrendous, absolutely horrendous. haifa of that have been horrendous, absolutely horrendous. how do ou to absolutely horrendous. how do you go from —

absolutely horrendous. how do you go from an _ absolutely horrendous. how do you go from an angle _ absolutely horrendous. how do you go from an angle of- absolutely horrendous. how do you go from an angle of rock, | you go from an angle of rock, which a lot of people would have felt, to scotland with mackay had to readdress something, weighs it or was it not working? i something, weighs it or was it not working?— not working? i started look at it and they — not working? i started look at it and they started _ not working? i started look at it and they started to - not working? i started look at it and they started to look i not working? i started look at it and they started to look at l it and they started to look at scottish history and realise that scaling had been produced time and time again and how constantly it was the poor relation, even though it contributed an enormous amount. at the same time it wasn't free. we are celts. we are people, we are different from anglo—saxons and normans. we are different people. i've come to realise when they realise i'm 100% to realise when they realise i'm100% celts, 12 zas glottis, 88% irish, and the iris, how we treated the iris, and they are part of that heritage, they were treated so badly and we have been treated so badly time and time and time again. let me oush and time and time again. let me push back _ and time and time again. let me push back partially _ and time and time again. let me push back partially and - and time and time again. let me push back partially and firmly i push back partially and firmly on what you have said. the proponents of the union would argue that there is, for all

the history your document, there is something precious sacred about the union and moreover it allows each constituent nation to be bigger thanit constituent nation to be bigger than it otherwise would be especially in a world where power is moving east. yeah, i don't agree with you. it's not my view. i'm impartial. it's not my view. my feeling is it's precisely that we are not being allowed to be who we are, and we haven't been. we've served, we've served and we've judiciously served at oui’ own expense. and i suddenly realise, you see, i do believe we should be a union. i agree with that. but we shouldn't be a united kingdom. we should be a united federation. we should be federal countries in our own right. i think scotland, ireland, wales needs to be their own people and then come together as a union. and i think england should be... this is irrational, this is kind of...probably too much. england should be divided in two.

north and south? north and south. it should, but it should be its own autonomy, it has its own autonomy. all of these parts of this union should be autonomous. we are not autonomous. as a united kingdom, we're not at all autonomous. we have to behave towards what is decided by the westminster government. let's end with some quickfire questions, 0k? so this is maximum ten words, minimum one. we'll start with some opinions on other actors. what do you make of brad pitt? brad is a worker. and he's really worked on himself as an actor. i don't think his natural inclination was to do that. i think because the way he looked, he stumbled into it. but i think he's become an extremely fine actor. michael caine. he sighs michael caine. um... actually, i saw him

the other night. he was really good. i mean, he can be really good, michael. no, no, no, he is. sorry. that sounds terribly patronising. i don't mean it. michael's, you know, he's like me. he's opinionated, and understandably opinionated. i don't always agree with him, and i don't think he's a bad actor. i mean, alfie and stuff like that — when he does what he does, he does it better than anybody. there's no question about that. but there's just something about him. he's a bit tory for me. he's a bit working—class tory for me. what do you make of helen mirren? i love her. idris elba. i don't know idris elba, but i admire him. i don't know him at all. favourite film. anything with katharine hepburn and spencer tracy. when did you last cry? oh, i cry all the time. what do you fear most? um... loss of children. i don't mind about my

own loss, but i feel... i feel...fear for my children. i don't know. as i get older, i fear for them. you know, if they go off somewhere, i think, "0h, are they going to be ok?" you know? if you could impart one life lesson from all that you've learnt for that 17—year—old brian cox on the train down from dundee to london in the swinging sixties, what would it be? 0h! always pursue your bliss. always. your bliss? your bliss, yeah. that which fulfils you. that which brings you to rest. that which gives you a sense of future. that which gives you a sense of purpose. that which makes your life valid. you've given me a sense of purpose. brian cox, it was an absolute pleasure to talk to you. thank you. thank you so much. that was really good. it was really good to talk to you.

hello. the warm weather is set to continue, but you might be thinking more about the rainfall by now. it's notjust our parks and gardens that are desperate for the rain, but, of course, our wildlife, and there is some rain on the horizon. if i show you what's going to be happening over the weekend, well, this low pressure here will continue to push warm air in our direction, but also a lot of moisture, and perhaps more widespread storm clouds than of late. but, again, not everybody�*s going to get the rainfall. hopefully, it will be a little more widespread, and, hopefully, it'll fall at the right time, and not on your barbecue. anyway, let's have a look at the forecast for the short term. so, a lot of clear weather, first thing in the morning.

temperatures will be around the mid—teens at 7am on thursday, and then, basically, it's blue skies, steady as she goes, through the course of the morning and into the afternoon. now, fairweather clouds will be bubbling up, and some of them will form, locally, at least, into a few storm clouds, and we could see some thunderstorms developing around the north and the west highlands. temperatures in glasgow up to 26 celsius, a warm day for northern ireland, too. also, perhaps, one ortwo showers, and the odd rumble of thunder, maybe across wales, maybe the midlands, and also in the southwest of the country, but the vast majority of us are in for another very warm and sunny day, with highs approaching the high 205. now, here's the weather map for thursday into friday — low pressure to the west and southwest of us is nudging in. it's pushing that energy in, that moisture, those clouds, but you can see there's not too much rainfall, at all. in fact, we'll see a few maybe reaching parts of northern ireland and western areas of the uk. but, again, many of us are in for a dry and very warm day on friday, with temperatures typically in the mid—205, and noticejust how much warmer it's also getting, because of a change in the shift in the wind direction, across the north sea coast.

now, here's the weekend. that low pressure is much closer to us, but look at that — some storm clouds coming in from the south — and this could bring some appreciable rain, to at least some parts of the country. it's not guaranteed, but i think quite a few of us will get the rainfall, so we'll have to wait till saturday, some of us sunday, and into next week. but in the very short term, it remains very warm, and, of course, very sunny. bye— bye.

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