former prime minister boris the former prime minister boris johnson wilfully or recklessly misled mps over lockdown gatherings at number ten. as i mentioned last week, borisjohnson did step down as an mp after being given advanced site of the privileges committee's report. so we are waiting to see that report in full today. and of course we will get the details of the findings of this committee. that is expected to happen very shortly, and we will bring you all that as we get it. welcome to our viewers around the world and on pbs. todayis today is the day that we found out what boris johnson found out just before he quit as an what borisjohnson found outjust before he quit as an mp. of course, this report has been looking into the so—called partygate allegations. allegations that borisjohnson

misled parliament about parties at downing street while covid restrictions were in place. we have got our political correspondent rob watson with us. rob, this report has been due for over a year now. borisjohnson has of course pre—empted it in spectacularfashion. he of course pre-empted it in spectacular fashion. of course pre-empted it in sectacular fashion. . , ., , spectacular fashion. he has. he has civen us spectacular fashion. he has. he has given us what _ spectacular fashion. he has. he has given us what looks _ spectacular fashion. he has. he has given us what looks like _ spectacular fashion. he has. he has given us what looks like the - spectacular fashion. he has. he has given us what looks like the top - given us what looks like the top line of the report. although the report has not been published, boris johnson's reply has now come out of embargo. he says that the committee has accused him of deliberately lying to parliament, which, let's stop and pause for a moment, that is contempt of parliament. to try to put this in some sort of historical context, the sort of depth of his disgrace and downfall, no other former prime minister has been accused in parliament's long history of deliberately misleading, essentially lying, to mp5. it will be got the report, we get that line

from borisjohnson, sort of excoriating response to it. he basically says it is a lie, it is rubbish, those are the words he uses, none of these things happened. he makes a double attack on the committee, saying the mp5 on it were biased against him, some of them had voted remain, so they were anti—brexit. also, his defence is to say, look, i generally thought these events i attended, farewell drinks for people working in downing street, that they were within the rules. so how could i have lied to parliament if what i thought i was doing was within the rules? that is his case. but clearly immensely serious that the prime minister himself, former prime minister has said that these mps have found him guilty, as it were, of contempt of parliament, of misleading, lying to mp5 over lockdown parties. rab. parliament, of misleading, lying to mps over lockdown parties.- mps over lockdown parties. rob, i think it is worth _

mps over lockdown parties. rob, i think it is worth taking _ mps over lockdown parties. rob, i think it is worth taking a _ mps over lockdown parties. rob, i think it is worth taking a brief - think it is worth taking a brief moment tojust look at think it is worth taking a brief moment to just look at what the privileges committee actually is. this is a body of parliament that borisjohnson has, in the past week, routinely attacked. he has called it a kangaroo court.— a kangaroo court. yes, absolutely. very donald _ a kangaroo court. yes, absolutely. very donald trump _ a kangaroo court. yes, absolutely. very donald trump like _ a kangaroo court. yes, absolutely. very donald trump like tactics. - a kangaroo court. yes, absolutely. very donald trump like tactics. to| very donald trump like tactics. to start with, what is the privileges committee?— start with, what is the privileges committee? , .,, �*, ., start with, what is the privileges committee? , �*, ., ., committee? sorry, rob, there's a lot of thins committee? sorry, rob, there's a lot of things happening _ committee? sorry, rob, there's a lot of things happening now, _ committee? sorry, rob, there's a lot of things happening now, let's - committee? sorry, rob, there's a lot of things happening now, let's go - committee? sorry, rob, there's a lot of things happening now, let's go to l of things happening now, let's go to jonathan blake. i understand that he has got the report. this is the report we have been waiting for. jonathan, i have got you on the line. tell us what you know so far. just in the last couple of minutes, the long—awaited report about the privileges committee looking into boris johnson's privileges committee looking into borisjohnson's conduct privileges committee looking into boris johnson's conduct and attempting to establish whether he misled the house of commons and whether he did that deliberately or otherwise has been published. you can see it here on the screen. it runs to some 108 pages. we are expecting around 30,000 words. it is

a lengthy report and it will be a lot of detail in there. this is the first any of us have seen of it, so we will take you through what we hope to see as the main findings. you can see the title page. it was referred to the committee in april 2022 into the conduct of the right honourable borisjohnson. this is theirfinal report. it honourable borisjohnson. this is their final report. it has been a yearin their final report. it has been a year in the making. we can take you through the contents. what we are looking for at this stage is the executive summary which will pull together and summarise the report's main findings, their criticisms of borisjohnson, and crucially any punishment or sanction that the committee recommends. it was mp for parliament to debate and vote on that. crucially, it is important to remember that borisjohnson has remember that boris johnson has resigned remember that borisjohnson has resigned an mp. just taking you through the contents. there are summaries of the evidence and... misleading the house. whether what mrjohnson said was contempt of parliament. they go into his

resignation from parliament. then at the end, conclusions and recommendations. you can see on page 67... if we can skip right the way through to that. bear with us. as i say, this is the first any of us are seeing of this report. let'sjust find the crucial pages. again, just bear with us, we are going to scroll back. page 67 here. a lot of detail, a lot of dense text. let's just scroll through to what will hopefully be a key area. point 228, which gives you an idea of the length of the report, contrary to mr johnson's assertions, he has been given multiple opportunities to set out his views and comment on the evidence of the inquiry. it talks about setting out in detail the evidence, disclosing to mrjohnson in unredacted form of the evidence

we proposed to rely on. at the start of the inquiry, he was invited to make an initial submission in writing. he went on, of course, to give oral evidence to the inquiry backin give oral evidence to the inquiry back in march. as it sets out here, he was invited to make final submissions in the inquiry and did so. it sounds like the committee is attempting to rebut some of the criticisms that borisjohnson has made a bit since he saw its draft findings in that abrupt and critical statement that he made when he resigned as an mp in protest of what he sees, remember, as a political witchhunt. let's look at point 229. the final conclusion in relation to the mp5 have come to. although mr johnson's resignation as an mp they say renders it impossible for a sanction of suspension to be imposed, we draw attention to the fact that before the events of friday, 9th ofjune, we have provisionally agreed to recommend a

suspension long enough to engage the provisions of the recall of mps act. what the committee means there is that the suspension would be more than ten days, which would trickle —— trigger a recall, which meant that borisjohnson's and such rents could force a by—election, which could force a by—election, which could have seen him, had he not resigned, leave the house of commons. in light of his father contempt, we put on record that if he had not resigned his seat, we would have recommended that he be suspended from the service of the house for 90 days for repeated contents and for seeking to undermine the parliamentary process. 90 days is a very severe sanction. i think that is important to underline at this stage. there is really no limit on what the committee can recommend as a sanction, but one of 90 days is at the very upper end, i think of anyone's estimations when we were looking into the likely conclusions of this report and

reflects the severity of the findings against borisjohnson. in summary here, the committee sets out, they are deliberately misleading the house. $5 out, they are deliberately misleading the house. as you say, jonathan, misleading the house. as you say, jonathan. that _ misleading the house. as you say, jonathan, that is _ misleading the house. as you say, jonathan, that is quite _ misleading the house. as you say, jonathan, that is quite significant. | jonathan, that is quite significant. the 90 day sanction. 0ne jonathan, that is quite significant. the 90 day sanction. one of the things that people were waiting to see in this report was what sort of punishment, if we can call it that, would be meted out. that would be a signifier ofjust how serious the committee felt boris johnson's breaking the rules was. hand committee felt boris johnson's breaking the rules was. and these are the crucial— breaking the rules was. and these are the crucial findings _ breaking the rules was. and these are the crucial findings that - breaking the rules was. and these are the crucial findings that the i are the crucial findings that the committee has reached. just to take you through them one by one. deliberately misleading the house, deliberately misleading the committee, that is the privileges committee, they are talking about themselves, which borisjohnson gave evidence to in written form an orderly back in march. reaching confidence, which we will have to

find the detail of that elsewhere in the report. —— reaching confidence will up i think we can probably assume at this stage that it may well relate to borisjohnson's statements about the statements of this inquiry and the attempts to undermine its work. also impugning the committee and thereby undermining the democratic process of the house. finally, being complicit in the campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation of the committee. the end by saying, in view of the fact that mrjohnson is no longer a member, we recommend that he should not be granted a former member's pass. that is a further very severe sanction. it is normal for mp5, further very severe sanction. it is normalfor mps, even when further very severe sanction. it is normal for mp5, even when they lose the house of commons, lose their seat or retire from politics, to keep a pass, to be able to visit parliament, to go about the parliamentary estate as they choose. it is not a privilege for a life that former mps usually enjoy —— it is sort of a privilege for life. the

committee is recommended or structured should be stripped of that privilege and that right. as a former prime minister, a very severe sanction for borisjohnson to accept and to be handed. they have done so in light of the fact that he has resigned as an mp, therefore making any recommendation of suspending him essentially null and void. let's recap those main points that the committee has found in this lengthy report published just a few minutes ago. borisjohnson deliberately misled the house of commons, they say. he also deliberately misled the privileges committee who have been investigating his conduct. they accuse him of breaching confidence, impugning the committee, thereby undermining the democratic process of the house. and finally being complicit in a campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation of the committee. for now, those are the main findings of this lengthy report. if we can just take a look at page 66, which one of my colleagues in the newsroom is telling me relates to boris

johnson's comments. perhaps some of the detail about his previous statements to the house of commons and evidence to the inquiry. here his incorrect assertion, the committee says, that the committee's powers are new and its procedure is unfair is a continuation of a pattern of statements, they say, which are old expressions of opinion withoutjustification. they go on to say... and we are reading this for the first time, remember, bear with us. at the time we wrote to mr johnson, we had come to know final conclusions. that is coming back on his assertion that the committee essentially stitched him up from the start because it was politically biased, since we awaited his response. in making his statement when he died, mrjohnson knew that the committee would be unable to make a substantive response until it had completed its inquiry and his assertions would be unchallenged. they highlighted the section involved, suggesting it is significant. we know mrjohnson does not merely criticise the fairness of

the procedures, he also attacks on very strong and vitriolic terms, they say, the integrity, honesty and honour of its members. he stated that the committee had forced him out and he democratically. this attack on a committee carrying out its remit from the democratically elected house itself amounts to an attack on our democratic institutions. strong words from the committee. we consider that these statements are completely unacceptable. in a review, this conduct, together with the egregious breach of confidentiality is a serious father contempt. that passage highlighting not only has the committee found that boris johnson deliberately misled parliament, we will see in detail elsewhere in the report, i think, but here his statements upon his resignation as an mp were an example of further contempt.—

of further contempt. thank you for that. it of further contempt. thank you for that- it has — of further contempt. thank you for that- it has a _ of further contempt. thank you for that. it has a dense _ of further contempt. thank you for that. it has a dense report, - of further contempt. thank you for that. it has a dense report, aboutl that. it has a dense report, about 30,000 words long. we will keep going through it. of course, highlighting some of the important detail as you have been doing. just to let any viewers joining us know, the main headline, of course, is that the report has been released. it finds that boris johnson deliberately misled comments. the privileges committee has concluded that boris johnson privileges committee has concluded that borisjohnson deliberately misled the house of commons, committing a serious contempt. their recommendation was that boris johnson should be suspended from the house for 90 days. the ad that they recommend he should not be entitled to a former member's pass. as jonathan mentioned, these are pretty heavy sanctions. jonathan, if i have still got you, some of the detail that we were looking forward to seeing in this report, based on

borisjohnson's defence, is how do you prove intent? 0ne borisjohnson's defence, is how do you prove intent? one of the key words here was deliberately misled parliament. part of borisjohnson's defence was that none of this was deliberate. , ., ., ., ., deliberate. yes, the overall aim of the committee _ deliberate. yes, the overall aim of the committee was _ deliberate. yes, the overall aim of the committee was to _ deliberate. yes, the overall aim of the committee was to establish i the committee was to establish whether boris johnson the committee was to establish whether borisjohnson misled the house of commons, but he himself accepts in hindsight that the statements he said in the house of commons at the dispatch box were misleading. but he says that he will say what he believed to be true at the time. and only since events have been documented and details have come to light can they be said to be deliberately... 0r inadvertently misleading. any committee's definition, which is important to remember as we go through the report, was whether borisjohnson misled the house of commons inadvertently, recklessly or intentionally. so did he do it by mistake, did he do it because he was not really across the detail and had not really across the detail and had not a priest himself of the facts as

he should have done, or was it deliberate —— appraised himself of the facts. we will go through the detail of the report to see what it has to say on that. i just want to draw your attention at this early stage to where the committee sets out its possible punishments it can recommend to borisjohnson is available to it. either no further action, running through several options, rising in severity, requiring an apology in writing right up to recommending expulsion from the house. if we can go through to point 210. this relates to boris johnson's statements in the house of commons. the assessment that the committee has come to there. they say, we have concluded above that in deliberately misleading the house, mrjohnson committed a serious contempt. you will hear that what a lot today, contempt of parliament. it effectively means getting way or obstructing the workings of

parliament, the proper democratic process. it is a very severe offence, about as severe as it can get in parliamentary terms. the contempt was all the more serious, the committee says, because it was committed by the prime minister, the most senior member of the government. there is no precedent for a prime minister, they say, having been found to have deliberately misled the house. you misled the house on an issue of the greatest importance, the committee says, to the house and to the public, and did so repeatedly. he declined our invitation to reconsider his assertion that what we had said to the house was truthful. his defence to the allegation that he misled was an ex post facto justification and no more than an artifice. he misled the committee in the presentation of his evidence. some very strong, very critical, very damning language at the crucial part of this report where they explain their

justification for asserting that borisjohnson deliberately misled the house. we boris johnson deliberately misled the house. ~ ., boris johnson deliberately misled the house. ~ . ., ., ., the house. we are waiting to hear what boris — the house. we are waiting to hear what boris johnson's _ the house. we are waiting to hear what boris johnson's response - the house. we are waiting to hearj what boris johnson's response will what borisjohnson's response will be. he has promised that it will be a hearty one. looking back to when he stepped down as a tory mp, he had been given advance site of this report, sojust been given advance site of this report, so just talk us through what we have heard from borisjohnson already. if we have heard from boris johnson alread . , ., ., we have heard from boris johnson alread . ., , already. if you give me a second, i will be able _ already. if you give me a second, i will be able to _ already. if you give me a second, i will be able to give _ already. if you give me a second, i will be able to give you _ already. if you give me a second, i will be able to give you boris - will be able to give you boris johnson's response to this report today, which we actually have had this morning. you are right to highlight what he said already because he is trying to get his version of events in early. you were sent a draft copy of the findings of the report. he said that he was bewildered at what he saw as the findings of a kangaroo court and a political hitjob. we have a response from boris johnson to political hitjob. we have a response from borisjohnson to the final publication of the report this

morning. i will redo it now. it is a fairly lengthy response. —— read you it now. it is now many months since people started to warn me about the intentions of the privileges committee. he goes on to say, they told me it was a kangaroo court and that it was being driven relentlessly by the political agenda of harriet harman, the labour chair, veteran labour mp chair in the privileges committee. he goes on to say supply was skewed to find me guilty and expel me from parliament. essentially challenging the legitimate of this committee. they also warned me that most members had already expressed prejudicial views, especially harriet harman anyway that would not be tolerated any normal legal process. excuse me for reading this of the screen. it is a very lengthy response. you get a flavour of borisjohnson's response to the damning findings of this

report. i think in hearing mr johnson's response this morning, which is typically bullish and in line with everything you said up until this point, trying to challenge the authority and legitimacy of this committee, we do not lose sight of the critical language that the mp5 have used here. and a finding that i do not think we have seen the like of in the history of these privileges committee, any parliamentary investigation into a member of the house of commons conduct, certainly for a former prime minister as the committee highlights your to have been found to have deliberately misled the house on an issue, they say, of the greatest importance to the house and to the public, and did so repeatedly. you the house and to the public, and did so reiaeatedly-_ the house and to the public, and did so repeatedly. you are watching bbc news. as so repeatedly. you are watching bbc news- as we — so repeatedly. you are watching bbc news. as we report _ so repeatedly. you are watching bbc news. as we report on _ so repeatedly. you are watching bbc

news. as we report on the _ so repeatedly. you are watching bbcj news. as we report on the partygate report that has just been delivered by the privileges committee, saying that boris johnson by the privileges committee, saying that borisjohnson deliberately misled mps over what is now known as partygate. the spectator�*s deputy political editor, katy balls, joins us now. first of all, your initial reaction? we kind of knew this was what the report was going to say.— we kind of knew this was what the report was going to say. there has been so much _ report was going to say. there has been so much briefing _ report was going to say. there has been so much briefing around - report was going to say. there has been so much briefing around thel been so much briefing around the report and also entrenched positions, in some ways it is not surprising. i think the length of suspension they would have recommended, 90 days, has taken many by surprise. if you look at the details of the report, they are saying... when they were coming up with this draft report, they were planning to recommend a link that would have had the potential to trigger a by—election for a recall petition, which would have been ten or more setting days. we do not know the exact figure they were going for, but i have said since what happened on friday where boris johnson came out, revealed some of

the report, spoke about it, they have upped that to 90 days. boris johnson has quit as an mp since then, so they cannot do that as a punishment. they are saying and said what they recommend its poor boris johnson to no longer have the parliamentary pass that you would get as a former mp. i think for a former prime minister, winning a majority of 80 just over three years ago, not being able to set a foot on parliament in a way former colleagues has been able to is quite something. colleagues has been able to is quite somethina. , , . ., something. there is precedent for that. i believe _ something. there is precedent for that. i believe the _ something. there is precedent for that. i believe the same _ something. there is precedent for i that. i believe the same punishment has been meted out before. but as you say, this is a former prime minister, so this is a severe punishment. psi minister, so this is a severe punishment-— minister, so this is a severe punishment. minister, so this is a severe unishment. �* ., , punishment. at the moment, it is “ust a punishment. at the moment, it is just a recommendation, _ punishment. at the moment, it is just a recommendation, but - punishment. at the moment, it is just a recommendation, but we i punishment. at the moment, it is i just a recommendation, but we have the debate on monday where we will see where it gets too. it is a severe punishment. i think this report will prove divisive in the sense that the privilege committee has been divisive from the very beginning. 0ne has been divisive from the very beginning. one of the reasons the punishment is so steep is because the committee calls out boris johnson for the fact that he and his

supporters have been saying things like, it is a kangaroo court. they are been concerned from inside government that he was making those mps who were on the committee feel very unsafe. i think that has contributed to what they are seeing today. contributed to what they are seeing toda . ~ , ., , , , today. when you see it is divisive, who is divided _ today. when you see it is divisive, who is divided on _ today. when you see it is divisive, who is divided on this? _ today. when you see it is divisive, who is divided on this? this - who is divided on this? this committee was a cross—party committee, there were tory members on that committee. who borisjohnson did attack. i on that committee. who boris johnson did attack. ~ ., , on that committee. who boris johnson did attack. ~ . , ., did attack. i think that is a point worth making- _ did attack. i think that is a point worth making. this _ did attack. i think that is a point worth making. this is _ did attack. i think that is a point worth making. this is not - did attack. i think that is a point worth making. this is not a - did attack. i think that is a point l worth making. this is not a labour report. harriet harman, who is a labour mp, is the chair, but are more tory mps labour mp, is the chair, but are more tory mp5 on it than not. where the report is divisive is, number one, borisjohnson, yes, to say he thinks it is a like the idea that he deliberately misled parliament, saying he did not realise at the time he was breaking the rules. the report finds that unbelievable. it says... also, ithink report finds that unbelievable. it says... also, i think amongst mps who do still want to back boris

johnson. they are not the majority in the tory parliamentary party, but they are a section, they are quite noisy. we are having a debate on monday in the house of commons. i think you will see lots of people wanting to go on the attack of boris johnson, but also a group that want to defend him. i think we are heading toward some fireworks in the chamber. ., «a heading toward some fireworks in the chamber. ., . ., , chamber. fireworks in the chamber. that is the other _ chamber. fireworks in the chamber. that is the other thing _ chamber. fireworks in the chamber. that is the other thing to _ chamber. fireworks in the chamber. | that is the other thing to remember, what happens after this, because this report has to be approved by parliament. bud this report has to be approved by parliament-— parliament. and i think there is alwa s a parliament. and i think there is always a sense _ parliament. and i think there is always a sense that _ parliament. and i think there is always a sense that parliament| parliament. and i think there is - always a sense that parliament will approve it, just if you look at the numbers. tory mps are scarred by their own debacle, thinking back to november we effectively had a situation where it was a privileges matter he recommended suspension, tory mps were told to query it, vote against it, then there was a u—turn. it actually really mark the beginning of a very difficult period for borisjohnson that led to him being ousted by his own party. so there is no plan to whip the party

either way in terms of the vote that is coming up. so if you look at the numbers, the fact that lots of tory mps do not want to bat for boris johnson, you can expect recommendations to likely pass. i think that is part of the reason borisjohnson think that is part of the reason boris johnson stood think that is part of the reason borisjohnson stood out on friday night. also partly a row about peerages. just knowing that punishment was coming. if you don't want to fight, he would be likely heading towards a by—election for his seat. heading towards a by-election for his seat. �* ., _, , his seat. and of course the report, besides looking _ his seat. and of course the report, besides looking at _ his seat. and of course the report, besides looking at the _ his seat. and of course the report, besides looking at the partygate i besides looking at the partygate incident, it has also been talking about comments that borisjohnson himself made sense and a taxi has made regarding this committee. find made regarding this committee. and that has made regarding this committee. jifuc that has added to made regarding this committee. fific that has added to the punishment made regarding this committee. e'"ic that has added to the punishment —— attacks he has made. what are these mps felt this was not to the standard of parliament, not respecting mps doing their work. what boris johnson respecting mps doing their work. what borisjohnson supporters would say is that they feel the report was never going to be on his side from the beginning. to have these decisions made by parliament rather than the voters are something they

are unhappy with. but had boris johnson stuck around, he would be facing, likely, if there was a recall petition, evoked by his own constituency. voters would have had a say. he has power chosen to go now rather than face that audience. there are some poll suggesting he could have held onto a if he did. there is now a situation where boris runs is leaving parliament, and lots of mps are saying, is this the end of mps are saying, is this the end of borisjohnson? i don't think this report answers the question either way. borisjohnson is's most hard—core supporters have never trusted the inquiry from the beginning. i don't think from reading this report they're going to change their mind. the question is if weather borisjohnson is banned from the house of commons, can you start to see his supporters, which we are starting to see little signs of, coming up with this betrayal narrative, that people do not like borisjohnson from narrative, that people do not like boris johnson from the narrative, that people do not like borisjohnson from the beginning. he has called it a witchhunt. boris johnson from the beginning. he has called it a witchhunt. you - boris johnson from the beginning. he has called it a witchhunt. you can - has called it a witchhunt. you can see the start _ has called it a witchhunt. you can see the start of _ has called it a witchhunt. you can see the start of those _ has called it a witchhunt. you can l see the start of those manoeuvres. has called it a witchhunt. you can i see the start of those manoeuvres. i think it will be hard for boris johnson to return to parliament too soon, not least because he may not

have a pass, but also because to be on a candidate list, you have to be approved by cc hq. i think right now he has lost some friends in the tory party. he has lost some friends in the tory .a _ , ., ., he has lost some friends in the tory party. good to have your thoughts. katy balls. — party. good to have your thoughts. katy balls, political— party. good to have your thoughts. katy balls, political editor- party. good to have your thoughts. katy balls, political editor at i party. good to have your thoughts. katy balls, political editor at the i katy balls, political editor at the spectator. as we continue to pass through this 30,000 word report into borisjohnson knowingly misleading parliament, this privileges committee has found that he has. let's now speak to robert watson, our political correspondent. rob, we have got the report now. some people are saying this is as damning as it could be. it are saying this is as damning as it could be. , ., ., ., ., , could be. it is hard to read it any other way- _ could be. it is hard to read it any other way- if— could be. it is hard to read it any other way. if you _ could be. it is hard to read it any other way. if you think _ could be. it is hard to read it any other way. if you think about i could be. it is hard to read it any other way. if you think about the several hundred year history of parliament, there is nothing like this, there is no case, no example of a former prime minister or sitting prime minister being found in contempt of parliament and all those hundreds of years. essentially, what these mps have

found is that the prime minister, former prime minister deliberately misled them, that he lied to them. that is the highest form of contempt. if you want to put this in some sort of historical context, the depth of borisjohnson's disgrace is about as deep and as bad as it gets. just in terms of the punishment that has been given, this still has to be voted on in parliament, so it may end up differently, but of course these sanctions are very heavy. thea;r these sanctions are very heavy. they are very heavy- _ these sanctions are very heavy. they are very heavy. this _ these sanctions are very heavy. they are very heavy. this idea _ these sanctions are very heavy. t"ie: are very heavy. this idea that had he not decided to jump are very heavy. this idea that had he not decided tojump before he was pushed that there would be a 90 day suspension, that is pretty extraordinary. now this sort of post mp punishment that has been imposed that you're hearing a bit of from katy, that he is not going to get a pass to parliament. i was going to whisk it out and show you my past

that allows me to get in and out. i am large, people have been mps, people in the house of lords, people have some connection to politics, even after they leave our given these passages which allow them to go on to the parliamentary estate. you will not even get that. provided, as you say, mps approve the punishment when this is all debated. we think probably on monday. this debated. we think probably on monda . �* , debated. we think probably on monda . r debated. we think probably on monda. ., ., debated. we think probably on monda . a ., ., ., monday. as you say, we are going to hear more on — monday. as you say, we are going to hear more on monday, _ monday. as you say, we are going to hear more on monday, we _ monday. as you say, we are going to hear more on monday, we will- monday. as you say, we are going to hear more on monday, we will hear. hear more on monday, we will hear from parliament, but what have you made of what the report has said about the attacks that borisjohnson has made on the institutions within parliament, like this committee? i guess the way to sum it up, as the committee are saying, it was bad enough, right, it was bad enough in their view that he quite clearly misled parliament of partying in downing street, that was bad enough, but then to go on and try to deliberately undermine the work of

parliament, the work of this committee to carry out a further contempt is just the sort of final straw, the cherry on top. although the committee do not use those sort of words, essentially what they are doing is accusing borisjohnson of donald trump like tactics, that idea that you never admit making a mistake, it is all somebody else's vault, and you do not mind if institutions are damaged in the process. that is incredibly serious allegations that these mps are making, essentially accusing the prime minister beyond the misleading, undermining parliament and basically putting britain's institutions or the institution of parliament in peril. the wider context, very, very big statement, as you say. thank you, rob watson, political correspondent. i'm joined now by dr sam power, senior lecturer in politics at the university of sussex. and william atkinson.

assista nt assistant editor at conservative home. welcome to you both and thank you forjoining us. sam power, what is your reaction to the report? i think we were all expecting boris johnson to face some kind of sanctions but as many of your guests have said, the 90 day recommendation process pension is certainly at the top end of what anyone would have expected and then some. i suspect it is notjust the misleading parliament that is in the sanction but also the denigration of the committee itself. by both boris johnson and his supporters. not only in his resignation statement on friday, but also leading up to the inquiry and to an extent during his evidence session. if you remember, he said, i will stand by the inquiry as long as it rules sensibly,

something along those lines, which effectively said, as long as it finds i am broadly innocent of the charges against me, the inquiry is sound. there was this attempt to undermine the inquiry from the start and i suspect it has led to this suggested suspension of 90 days in the report itself.— the report itself. william, ifi can brina ou the report itself. william, ifi can bring you in. _ the report itself. william, ifi can bring you in. to _ the report itself. william, ifi can bring you in, to get _ the report itself. william, ifi can bring you in, to get your- the report itself. william, ifi can bring you in, to get your initial. bring you in, to get your initial thoughts, but also the suspension, what you think about that sanction. i think it is very remarkable. i think— i think it is very remarkable. i think it — i think it is very remarkable. i think it is _ i think it is very remarkable. i think it is about nine times as long as anybody— think it is about nine times as long as anybody expected for them to recommend. quite frankly, the privilege — recommend. quite frankly, the privilege committee has overplayed its hand~ _ privilege committee has overplayed its hand. we were deano it was a number— its hand. we were deano it was a numberot— its hand. we were deano it was a numberof mps its hand. we were deano it was a number of mps renowned for being pompous. — number of mps renowned for being pompous, the fact they have chosen to go— pompous, the fact they have chosen to go to _ pompous, the fact they have chosen to go to the — pompous, the fact they have chosen to go to the extent of recommending 90 day— to go to the extent of recommending 90 day suspension, suggesting boris should _ 90 day suspension, suggesting boris should not— 90 day suspension, suggesting boris should not be allowed to have a former— should not be allowed to have a former members pass, even the most

junior— former members pass, even the most junior is— former members pass, even the most junior is allowed to have a pass and a former_ junior is allowed to have a pass and a former prime minister, if the recommendations are adopted, would not, recommendations are adopted, would not. it— recommendations are adopted, would not, it would be rather an eye raising — not, it would be rather an eye raising sanction. quite frankly what we see _ raising sanction. quite frankly what we see here is a committee that is very annoyed at the way boris johnson _ very annoyed at the way boris johnson... a bit like donald trump, only accept— johnson... a bit like donald trump, only accept the results of an election— only accept the results of an election if he won it. the fact the committee — election if he won it. the fact the committee has had to put up with months _ committee has had to put up with months of— committee has had to put up with months of mudslinging, one factor in the recommendation is an attempt to carve _ the recommendation is an attempt to carve out _ the recommendation is an attempt to carve out its — the recommendation is an attempt to carve out its powers and stick two fingers _ carve out its powers and stick two fingers up — carve out its powers and stick two fingers up at our next prime minister— fingers up at our next prime minister who was very keen at sticking — minister who was very keen at sticking two fingers up at it. in that sticking two fingers up at it. that sense, sticking two fingers up at it. i"i that sense, is this borisjohnson's own doing if he had as he initially said just gone along with waiting for the committee to come up with its report rather than attacking it as a kangaroo court, could the sanctions have been lighter? probably, yes. the best way to think about— probably, yes. the best way to think about boris— probably, yes. the best way to think about borisjohnson is not he is a

serial— about borisjohnson is not he is a serial liar. — about borisjohnson is not he is a serial liar, just the truth bores him, _ serial liar, just the truth bores him. this— serial liar, just the truth bores him. this is— serial liar, just the truth bores him, this is the party politics... not a _ him, this is the party politics... not a serial— him, this is the party politics... not a serial liar, but the truth bores him? some people might have trouble understanding the distinction. it trouble understanding the distinction.— trouble understanding the distinction. it is not... if he chose to — distinction. it is not... if he chose to mislead _ distinction. it is not... if he chose to mislead the i distinction. it is not... if he i chose to mislead the committee, distinction. it is not... if he _ chose to mislead the committee, may not be _ chose to mislead the committee, may not be because he consciously chose to do _ not be because he consciously chose to do so, _ not be because he consciously chose to do so, more it is not the sort of thing _ to do so, more it is not the sort of thing that— to do so, more it is not the sort of thing that interests him, the tedious _ thing that interests him, the tedious side of politics. he is in politics— tedious side of politics. he is in politics for _ tedious side of politics. he is in politics for the drama. what they have _ politics for the drama. what they have seen — politics for the drama. what they have seen are something you will rail against today and suggest it is a dark— rail against today and suggest it is a dark day— rail against today and suggest it is a dark day for democracy, but also, it folds— a dark day for democracy, but also, it folds into — a dark day for democracy, but also, it folds into the narrative he wants to create _ it folds into the narrative he wants to create which his allies have tried — to create which his allies have tried to — to create which his allies have tried to create over the last days and weeks, which is he is a great election— and weeks, which is he is a great election winning titan, that there is some _ election winning titan, that there is some kind of establishment coup to keep _ is some kind of establishment coup to keep him out. this will only add to keep him out. this will only add to the _ to keep him out. this will only add to the narrative and a sense of momentum johnson wishes to create. what do _ momentum johnson wishes to create. what do you _ momentum johnson wishes to create. what do you make of those two different narratives, borisjohnson

saying, i did not do this deliberately, and the privileges committee finding in fact it was deliberate, sam? in committee finding in fact it was deliberate, sam?— committee finding in fact it was deliberate, sam? in many ways, to return to your— deliberate, sam? in many ways, to return to your question _ deliberate, sam? in many ways, to return to your question about i return to your question about whether boris johnson return to your question about whether borisjohnson has sealed his own fate, he sort of has from the start. these were parties that were held in downing street and he was asked about them in downing street and he did not give a straightforward answer and this is where we are at with the privileges committee. he did not engage with the privileges committee perhaps in the privileges committee perhaps in the way in which they would have liked and indeed tried to impinge it. there is an extent to which almost entirely borisjohnson has sealed his own fate from the start in this affair and every decision he has made during it has made the sanctions he might face worse and worse. 0f sanctions he might face worse and worse. of course that will help to set in some kind of betrayal narrative of borisjohnson on election winner, nobody in this

establishment likes him from the start. this will be what boris johnson wants to do. but the extent to which it is actually helpful for his return to politics is an open question. i suspect there is a growing group of conservative mps andindeed growing group of conservative mps and indeed shrinking group of boris johnson supporters that welcome this kind of sideshow and that is what it is becoming. he is no longer an mp. suggestions his parliamentary pass be suspended. it is an increasing sideshow and absent of a large defeat at the next election, it is quite hard to see a group of conservative mps quite hard to see a group of conservative mp5 or majority of conservative mp5 or majority of conservative mps wanting to return to that. to conservative mps wanting to return to that. ., , x' conservative mps wanting to return to that. ., , a , conservative mps wanting to return to that. ., , , ., ., conservative mps wanting to return tothat. ., , ., to that. to pick up on that, sam, how much _ to that. to pick up on that, sam, how much of— to that. to pick up on that, sam, how much of this _ to that. to pick up on that, sam, how much of this is _ to that. to pick up on that, sam, how much of this is happening i how much of this is happening precisely because borisjohnson is no longer necessarily seen as an election winner?—

no longer necessarily seen as an election winner? boris johnson's howell usp, _ election winner? boris johnson's howell usp, if — election winner? boris johnson's howell usp, if you _ election winner? boris johnson's howell usp, if you will, - election winner? boris johnson's howell usp, if you will, the i election winner? boris johnson's| howell usp, if you will, the thing that got— howell usp, if you will, the thing that got him elected as per minister in the _ that got him elected as per minister in the first— that got him elected as per minister in the first place by conservative mps was — in the first place by conservative mps was he was seen as a great etecoon— mps was he was seen as a great election winning mp, prime minister, that could _ election winning mp, prime minister, that could not necessarily unite the party _ that could not necessarily unite the party but _ that could not necessarily unite the party but get a job done —— whole usp~ _ party but get a job done —— whole usp~ as _ party but get a job done —— whole usp~ as a — party but get a job done —— whole usp. as a political scientist said, the bright — usp. as a political scientist said, the bright glass in case of emergency leader. the glass has been broken _ emergency leader. the glass has been broken and _ emergency leader. the glass has been broken and the emergency has got far bigger— broken and the emergency has got far bigger than anyone expected. i suspect— bigger than anyone expected. i suspect the lustre of borisjohnson has been _ suspect the lustre of borisjohnson has been completely worn off. the idea of— has been completely worn off. the idea of him — has been completely worn off. the idea of him as some kind of election winner— idea of him as some kind of election winner might be attractive to a small— winner might be attractive to a small group of mps and a small group of supporters, but that group of mps and supporters is shrinking by the day, perhaps even by the hour. tiers; day, perhaps even by the hour. very aood to day, perhaps even by the hour. very good to get — day, perhaps even by the hour. very

good to get your _ day, perhaps even by the hour. - good to get your thoughts, senior lecturer in politics, sam power, and william atkinson, assistant editor conservative home. i want to remind you, so much on our live page, search bbc news and you can get to the live page, all of the updates are there, political correspondence and reporters passing through the report and looking at an update from chris mason, he says this report in breadth and depth demolishes boris johnson's conduct and character. much more detail, have a look at the live page. in the meantime, i will take you to the next guest, max hastings, joining us, thank you for making time to talk to us. i will start by asking you what your reaction to this is.— reaction to this is. this is a devastating _ reaction to this is. this is a devastating report, - reaction to this is. this is a devastating report, much l reaction to this is. this is a i devastating report, much more explicit than some of us dared to hope, and it seems intended not merely to criticise boris johnson but to bury him. that is the result

of his own conduct over many years and of course it was almost inevitable he should attempt what we could go the trump defence, berlusconi defence, where he simply seeks to present himself as a victim of all of this, now some of us have argued, i called him in the times the other day and discharged moral bankrupt. some of us have said over the partygate business from the beginning you can make a case which some ofjohnson's supporters make which is, all of this does not matter. what you cannot credibly do is to do what borisjohnson sought to do, to say it never happened, i did not break the rules. this is obviously nonsense. this is exactly what the committee has found because how could it find anything else? looking at what the committee has said about the report, they say johnson's content has no precedent. there is no precedent for a prime minister to have deliberately misled

the house of commons. how significant is this? putting aside the drama and political theatre, as a moment in an institutional democracy, has significant is this? my democracy, has significant is this? my moment of truth for the conservative party and the british people. do we in politics want to go the trump route, the berlusconi route, saying we now live in the age of celebrity culture where boris johnson is a big figure, much bigger than all of the rivals and enemies in the house of commons and out of it, he is entitled to make his own rules? this has been the story of his career. as editor of the daily telegraph, i employed him for ten years, he was a brilliant journalist, but he has always been an entertainer and had enormous difficulty telling the truth. vital for the future of our democracy conservative party and the british people say, we are determined to stick the notion truth matters in

public life, we cannot any longer have a serial liar anywhere near the front line of politics. {line have a serial liar anywhere near the front line of politics.— front line of politics. one of the ruests i front line of politics. one of the guests l was — front line of politics. one of the guests i was speaking - front line of politics. one of the guests i was speaking to - front line of politics. one of the i guests i was speaking to previously set, this is who borisjohnson is, who he has always been, he isjust bored by the truth, he does not intend to live. do you mind, the fact this is who he has always been, is the fault really with him when he is the fault really with him when he is just is the fault really with him when he isjust doing is the fault really with him when he is just doing what he has a ways —— lie. i isjust doing what he has a ways -- lie. ., ., , ., ,, lie. i have often said he must take boris johnson... _ lie. i have often said he must take borisjohnson... i— lie. i have often said he must take boris johnson... i don't. _ lie. i have often said he must take borisjohnson... idon't. he- lie. i have often said he must take borisjohnson... idon't. he is- lie. i have often said he must take | borisjohnson... idon't. he is what borisjohnson... i don't. he is what he always was, he is doing what people like him... what the dog does against a people like him... what the dog does againsta lamp people like him... what the dog does against a lamp post. the people i have got it in for other people who supported him and still support him in the house of commons and conservative party when we know him for what he is. just to say, we don't care if he is a serial liar, we don't care if he has made fools of the british people while partying

while the british suffered, we think he can win elections and we think he is a good bloke who the public warm to. i passionately reject that argument and i think we should reject the sort of people who are willing to go along with that argument. we want the restoration of truth in politics and although i doubt whether i shall vote conservative at the next election, i want which is in the sea because i think he is a decent human being which borisjohnson is not —— i want rishi sunak to see. which boris johnson is not -- i want rishi sunak to see.— rishi sunak to see. boris johnson's narrative about _ rishi sunak to see. boris johnson's narrative about this _ rishi sunak to see. boris johnson's narrative about this being - rishi sunak to see. boris johnson's narrative about this being a - rishi sunak to see. boris johnson's narrative about this being a witch l narrative about this being a witch hunt, hounded out of parliament, thatis hunt, hounded out of parliament, that is likely to resonate. you speak about restoring truth to politics, how difficult is that one sometimes people do not want to get facts in the way of what they believe? . . , facts in the way of what they believe? , , , , , , ., believe? this is why republicans go on supporting _ believe? this is why republicans go on supporting donald _ believe? this is why republicans go on supporting donald trump - believe? this is why republicans go on supporting donald trump to i believe? this is why republicans go on supporting donald trump to the | on supporting donald trump to the shame of the united states. i am terribly sad mild newspaper the daily telegraph and daily mail are

still prepared to give credence to borisjohnson as a public figure —— my old newspaper. vitalfor our democracy to show we reject the trump school of lies, we do not want this in public life. in a trump school of lies, we do not want this in public life.— this in public life. in a democracy, --eole this in public life. in a democracy, people have _ this in public life. in a democracy, people have the — this in public life. in a democracy, people have the right _ this in public life. in a democracy, people have the right to _ this in public life. in a democracy, people have the right to support l this in public life. in a democracy, i people have the right to support who they want to support? thea;r people have the right to support who they want to support?— they want to support? they have the riaht but they want to support? they have the right but they _ they want to support? they have the right but they must _ they want to support? they have the right but they must recognise - they want to support? they have the right but they must recognise the i right but they must recognise the consequences. if you choose as a prime minister someone who as prime minister conducted a crony riddled shambles in downing street, as closest aides will testify, failed to get to grips... he reminds us he supported ukraine, he also was involved in promoting the vaccination programme through covid, but all of the other stuff, the vital issues facing british life, the future of the nhs, the economy, productivity, our relations with europe, johnson made fools of us all

in his time in downing street and he must never be allowed to do so again. must never be allowed to do so aaain. . ~' ,, must never be allowed to do so aaain. ., ,, i. ., i. must never be allowed to do so aaain. . ~' ., ., , again. thank you for your thoughts and analysis. _ again. thank you for your thoughts and analysis, max _ again. thank you for your thoughts and analysis, max hastings, i again. thank you for your thoughts and analysis, max hastings, goodl again. thank you for your thoughts i and analysis, max hastings, good to have you joining us. back to jonathan blake pouring through the lengthy report, 30,000 words, what else have you uncovered? let lengthy report, 30,000 words, what else have you uncovered?— else have you uncovered? let us start towards _ else have you uncovered? let us start towards the _ else have you uncovered? let us start towards the end _ else have you uncovered? let us start towards the end and - else have you uncovered? let us start towards the end and give i else have you uncovered? let us i start towards the end and give you an idea of the summary of the committee's findings. page 79, of 108, very lengthy report, they get to the crucial issue of punishment and sanction in the language of the committee and here they set out that borisjohnson has of course now resigned as an mp in anticipation of the findings of this committee, they say it is impossible for a sanction of suspension to be imposed. that is one of many options the committee has to recommend a suspension from the house of commons for however many days they see fit on any mp.

they draw attention to the fact before the events of friday 9th of june when borisjohnson resigned, we provisionally will agreed to recommend suspension long enough to engage the provision of mps at... in order to trigger the recall petition whereby boris johnson's order to trigger the recall petition whereby borisjohnson's constituents in axbridge and south ruislip would be able to trigger a by—election and effectively remove him from the house of commons. null and void because he has resigned. in light of his further content, they go on to say, we put on record if he had not resigned his seat, we would have recommended he be suspended from the service of the house for 90 days for repeated content and for seeking to undermine the parliamentary process. 90 days is a massive suspension for the committee to recommend —— repeated content. recent examples to possibly compare it to, different in

magnitude, former snp mp suspended for 30 days for breaking lockdown restrictions, margaret ferrier. this committee in the case of boris johnson former prime minister has gone over and above that by a long way. this is helpful at this point to summarise the main findings against borisjohnson from the committee. they say he deliberately misled the house of commons, deliberately misled the privileges committee in its work conducting this investigation, he breached confidence effectively, we will go into detail about that elsewhere in the report, but talking about the work of the investigation potentially and letting material and the facts be known he was not allowed to at the time. impugning the committee and undermining the democratic process of the house. being complicit in a campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation of the committee, trying to undermine its work, what they are saying.

finally, in view of the fact mr johnson is no longer a member, the committee recommends he should not be granted a former members pass. that too worth noting because mps usually are allowed access to the houses of parliament, westminster estate, even after they have left the house of commons, a pass for life essentially, and that is a right to use and enjoy. the committee recommending borisjohnson committee recommending boris johnson should committee recommending borisjohnson should not be given that privilege and should have his pass stripped. let us delve back into the report and have a look for a few minutes at some of the detail they have considered over the events during lockdown, during the pandemic, where rules were broken in downing street and elsewhere that were the subject of boris johnson's and elsewhere that were the subject of borisjohnson's denials in the house of commons and subsequent statements. they are looking here in the 20th of may, the garden party, the 20th of may, the garden party, the infamous bring your own booze eventin the infamous bring your own booze event in the downing street garden were officials and other members of staff were invited to gather and the

prime minister was briefly there enjoying what were described in the e—mail that went out from a senior official as socially distanced drinks. the committee talks on the basis of evidence received some senior number 10 officials were concerned about the social nature of the 20th of may 2020 gathering and they were reluctant for it to go ahead. we heard earlier in the evidence of the committee the former director of communications lee cain described it as something of a coms risk. the social nature of the gathering they go on was indicated by the high number of people invited with some attendees from outside number 10 as well as mrjohnson's wife. they say in brackets, who we consider it is obvious cannot be described as absolutely necessary participant. after the installation in the garden of trestle tables without available, there is evidence the number of people in attendance

increased —— with alcohol available. trying to build a picture and put forward a recession and assess whether boris johnson forward a recession and assess whether borisjohnson on the basis of what we know and what he has that happened whether he knew effectively or should have known rules were being broken. we note, they go on, for the gathering to have been complying with rules it would have had to have been essential for work purposes. we do not consider social gathering held purely for the purposes of improving staff morale was essential for work purposes. moreover we do not believe mr johnson would have advised the public this was the case had he been asked at the time. and quite specific technical language, they are essentially saying they do not believe boris johnson are essentially saying they do not believe borisjohnson at are essentially saying they do not believe boris johnson at the are essentially saying they do not believe borisjohnson at the event could have reasonably seen it as something which was essential for work purposes which it would have needed to be to comply with guidance at the time. they are challenging

his defence and his evidence put forward. let us go back to a different gathering which was at the time of the prime minister's birthday party, just bear with me, we scroll through to i think we are looking for point seven gully 48 of the lengthy report published in the last hour —— point 48. in the cabinet room, pictures of that, infamous occasion for which the former prime minister and current prime minister which she unit were given fixed penalty notices, attended by at least 17 people —— prime minister rishi sunak. not socially distanced. we note mr johnson did not explain why he believed the event was reasonably necessary for work purposes. in other words, complying with the guidance. 0therthan other words, complying with the guidance. other than to say it took

place immediately before a work meeting and it seemed to me, they quote, perfectly properfor officials to be asked to come and wish me a happy birthday, which we do not regard as convincing. undercutting borisjohnson's undercutting boris johnson's assertions undercutting borisjohnson's assertions and taking issue with his statements of evidence to the inquiry, effectively saying, they do not believe him. mrjohnson was also unable to explain why he considered his wife and interior designer, redesigning the flat above number 10 at the time, absolutely necessary participant in a work—related meeting. his assertion the family are entitled to use every part of the building does not constitute an explanation. police issued a fixed penalty notice in connection with event. mrjohnson accepts therefore his attendance was unlawful but states he was not precise why he

committed an offence. we have the right in law to not accept the fixed penalty notice but he chose not to do so. a bit of detail. a lot to take in but on a couple of crucial events during the pandemic which the committee has been looking at boris johnson's statements regarding, effectively saying, it was clear at the time as far as the committee is concerned the events were not within the rules and borisjohnson should have been clear about that as well. jonathan, thank you very much, jonathan, thank you very much, jonathan taking a look at what is in the report. let us get some reaction. joining me now is dominic grieve, former attorney general, you also sat on the privileges committee, thank you for making time to talk to us. i will start by getting your assessment of this

report. getting your assessment of this reort. , ., , , getting your assessment of this reort. , ., _ ., report. obviously, at the stage, onl had report. obviously, at the stage, only had the _ report. obviously, at the stage, only had the chance _ report. obviously, at the stage, only had the chance to - report. obviously, at the stage, only had the chance to look- report. obviously, at the stage, only had the chance to look at l report. obviously, at the stage, l only had the chance to look at the summary, rather lengthy report, but it is quite clear the committee seems to have done a perfectly sensible credible piece of work in exactly the way i would have expected because what happens with the committee is people leave their party political allegiances to one side when they sit on it. the evidence, frankly, against mr johnson is overwhelming. it is overwhelming because of the evidence parties took place but what is particularly telling is that when he came to the house and made various statements about giving assurances there had been no parties, he had been specifically told by his officials he couldn't give such assurances because it could not be said the rules had been properly followed but he just cheerfully decided to go ahead and do it. whatever the circumstances which he says brought the gathering is about where he says he thought they were

part of work events, when he actually came to the commons, and explained what had been going on, he knew that there was a problem and he deliberately decided to conceal it. it has to be understood this whole business is not about what he did in downing street, it is whether he lied to the house of commons. that is interesting _ lied to the house of commons. that is interesting you _ lied to the house of commons. that is interesting you make that point because for a lot of borisjohnson supporters this is a big fuss over him having a bit of cake and perhaps that bit about it being about lying to parliament and not about the parties necessarily, maybe it is a bit lost. he is also creating his own narrative. riff bit lost. he is also creating his own narrative.— own narrative. of course he is because that _ own narrative. of course he is because that is _ own narrative. of course he is because that is what - own narrative. of course he is because that is what mr i own narrative. of course he is i because that is what mrjohnson specialises in doing. the moment he is backed into a corner or has a problem, he chucks out a whole series of distractions. i thought they were worth gatherings. you can look at the photographs, hard to

justify work gatherings, but he says, i am justify work gatherings, but he says, iam innocent, iwas justify work gatherings, but he says, i am innocent, i was acting innocently. it does not get him off the hook about the lies he told the commons because the lies, he was being put on the spot and asked specific questions, then he blames the committee, he goes for people who used to be his political allies, he says they are biased. no evidence the committee has been biased against him. the bias that comes in, the result, it is the result of his own actions. his the result, it is the result of his own actions-— the result, it is the result of his own actions. , . ., , , , own actions. his defence was, yes, he may have _ own actions. his defence was, yes, he may have misled _ own actions. his defence was, yes, he may have misled parliament i own actions. his defence was, yes, j he may have misled parliament but own actions. his defence was, yes, i he may have misled parliament but it not deliberate. the he may have misled parliament but it not deliberate.— not deliberate. the committee has found that it _ not deliberate. the committee has found that it was _ not deliberate. the committee has found that it was deliberate. if- not deliberate. the committee has found that it was deliberate. if you look at the summary, there are compelling reasons for saying that the misleading of the house of commons was deliberate. because he had an opportunity when he came to the house of commons to say... he could have said, some thought they were worth gatherings, but i have to accept now perhaps we were not following the rules correctly —— work gatherings. he did not do that,

he simply denied there had been breaches of the rules and the evidence there were breaches is overwhelming and the evidence he misled the house of commons is overwhelming too. bit misled the house of commons is overwhelming too.— misled the house of commons is overwhelming too. all right. he has made pretty — overwhelming too. all right. he has made pretty explicit _ overwhelming too. all right. he has made pretty explicit statements, i overwhelming too. all right. he has| made pretty explicit statements, he called the committee a kangaroo court whose purpose has been to find him guilty regardless of the facts. you have sat on one of the committees before. explain to us how it works and is what he is saying possible? it works and is what he is saying ossible? �* ., . it works and is what he is saying ossible? . , , , it works and is what he is saying ossible?" , , , it works and is what he is saying ossible? . , , , ., possible? always possible but i have to sa in possible? always possible but i have to say in my — possible? always possible but i have to say in my own _ possible? always possible but i have to say in my own experience - possible? always possible but i have to say in my own experience of i to say in my own experience of serving on the committee is, firstly, the mp5 on it put to one side all party political considerations when they go in and secondly my expenses mps were asked to do the job, whether on standards, privileges, they seek to do it in a quasi judicialfashion. and to be transparently fair. bearing in mind because of the importance of this

inquiry the committee brought in a lot of outside help, they brought in a retired lord justice of appeal to advise them on procedure, and anybody who looks at the actual questioning that took place can see that it was done extremely carefully. i have to say, i see no sign this committee which is the only means by which a sovereign house of commons and sovereign parliament can enforce its content rules, no evidence to suggest in fact they had it in for him at all —— contempt. it is the result of his own actions and entirely the way he has behaved over a long period because he is a serial liar. the history of his line is epic. i am afraid what he did at the dispatch box in the house of commons when he was answering questions is all of a piece with his normal behaviour —— the history of his lying is epic.

calling out one of its members as being a hypocrite, referencing a guido fawkes article saying he attended parties during lockdown. i am in no position to comment on his allegations because i know absolutely nothing about them. horn absolutely nothing about them. how serious would _ absolutely nothing about them. how serious would that be? would that have any bearing on the case? i don't think it would have any bearing on the result. this is a unanimous decision of this committee and this is an allegation which he is making against one member of the committee. the committee i might add which has an in—built government majority. brute which has an in-built government ma'ori . ~ ., ., ., majority. we are eager to get your thou:hts, majority. we are eager to get your thoughts, thank _ majority. we are eager to get your thoughts, thank you _ majority. we are eager to get your thoughts, thank you for _ majority. we are eager to get your thoughts, thank you forjoining i majority. we are eager to get yourj thoughts, thank you forjoining us. and braving the hot sun. dominic grieve, former attorney general, who also sat on the privileges committee. you were watching bbc news. we are bringing you completely up—to—date with everything that has happened since parliament's happened since pa rliament�*s privileges happened since parliament's privileges committee found boris johnson did in fact mislead

parliament. let us go tojonathan blake in the newsroom and he has been poring over the very lengthy document to bring us all of the highlights. document to bring us all of the hirrhlihts. . document to bring us all of the highlights-— highlights. yes, we have been talkin: a highlights. yes, we have been talking a lot — highlights. yes, we have been talking a lot about _ highlights. yes, we have been talking a lot about the - highlights. yes, we have been talking a lot about the hefty i talking a lot about the hefty sanction, the very serious punishment the committee has recommended for borisjohnson, where he not to have resigned his seat from the house of commons in anticipation of the report, a suspension of 90 days. but in the event of course he has resigned, so the committee is recommending he should not be given a former members pass. effectively barred from the houses of parliament for life. quite something for a former prime minister. just to recap once again, which i don't think we can do enough this morning, the main findings it has decided, borisjohnson deliberately misled the house of commons, deliberately misled the committee, privileges committee

which has produced the report, looking into his conduct, trying to decide whether he deliberately misled the house of commons, he is also guilty of breaching confidence, impugning the committee and undermining the democratic process of the house and being complicit in the campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation of the committee. very serious conclusions, very serious findings from the committee, which are the basis for the serious sanction it has recommended. but a little bit of insight and detail has come to light from the report is some members of the committee wanted to go even further. if we have a look here, page 105, some of the minutes of one of the committee's meetings. two mps wanted boris johnson to be expelled from the house. they try to amend the findings of the report, the final report, towards the end of the process, scottish national party

empty, and a labouranti, two process, scottish national party empty, and a labour anti, two of the seven members of the privileges committee attempting in the language here, sounds quite technical, i will read it out. leave and suspended from the service of the house for 90 days and insert expelled from the house. it would have triggered an immediate by—election had boris johnson not resigned and in contrast to the suspension which the committee ended up recommending, he would not have returned as an mp. but there is not a majority view on the committee that that should be the committee that that should be the case. the four conservative mps the case. the four conservative mp5 on the committee as the report records, andy carter,... they voted against that, which meant that the committee stayed with its original sanction of 90 days, which is in itself severe in the context of

these matters. harriet harman not mentioned, the labour chair of the committee, you might be wondering why. she does not vote unless there is a tie on any matters that the committee is voting on, at which point she does have the casting vote. so it would be a very influential voice. vote. so it would be a very influentialvoice. but vote. so it would be a very influential voice. but in this case it was not needed. interesting to highlight, though, certainly two members of the committee wanted to go further than the report has done and expel borisjohnson from the house of commons immediately. as the committee themselves have noted, though, to slightly academic because borisjohnson has resigned as an mp in theory, i think discourtesy, a few days ago before the report was published. we can see that reflected in the findings today. one more time, just before i hand back, to run through the main findings of the report. they are that borisjohnson deliberately misled the house,

deliberately misled the house, deliberately misled the privileges committee, preached confidence that impugned the committee and undermine the democratic process of the house and was complicit in a campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation of the committee. the privileges committee going quite far here in terms of notjust looking at the evidence as to whether borisjohnson directly misled the house of commons and did that deliberately or otherwise, but looking at his activity and his approach to the committee's work as a whole and holding that into their findings and their recommended punishments. jonathan, thank you. as we are getting more detail coming out of this report, i am just looking on our live page. 0ne this report, i am just looking on our live page. one of the details that has been picked out is the revelation that two mps that has been picked out is the revelation that two mp5 on the committee wanted borisjohnson expeued committee wanted borisjohnson expelled from the house, which is of course a far more serious sanction and it would have forced an immediate by—election. what are people making of these findings and everything that is going on? let's

find out what listeners of nicky campbell are saying.— find out what listeners of nicky campbell are saying. does talk about contem -t campbell are saying. does talk about contempt for — campbell are saying. does talk about contempt for the _ campbell are saying. does talk about contempt for the committee - campbell are saying. does talk about contempt for the committee as i campbell are saying. does talk about contempt for the committee as well. | contempt for the committee as well. they have taken a very dim view of him calling — they have taken a very dim view of him calling it a kangaroo court and referring _ him calling it a kangaroo court and referring to — him calling it a kangaroo court and referring to witchhunts. during the actual— referring to witchhunts. during the actual committee's proceedings, he said he _ actual committee's proceedings, he said he wished to distance himself from some — said he wished to distance himself from some language, but he used such language _ from some language, but he used such language as _ from some language, but he used such language as soon as he received a copy of— language as soon as he received a copy of the — language as soon as he received a copy of the report. will language as soon as he received a copy of the report.— language as soon as he received a copy of the report. will come back to any second- _ copy of the report. will come back to any second. let's _ copy of the report. will come back to any second. let's get _ copy of the report. will come back to any second. let's get some i copy of the report. will come back i to any second. let's get some more from our listeners. we are getting a very big response to this. not surprisingly. liz in harrogate. hi, liz. i surprisingly. liz in harrogate. hi, liz. ., ., liz. i have to say, the report has ro erl liz. i have to say, the report has properly restored _ liz. i have to say, the report has properly restored my _ liz. i have to say, the report has properly restored my faith i liz. i have to say, the report has properly restored my faith in i properly restored my faith in parliament, _ properly restored my faith in parliament, thank— properly restored my faith in parliament, thank goodness| properly restored my faith in i parliament, thank goodness they actually— parliament, thank goodness they actually saw— parliament, thank goodness they actually saw through _ parliament, thank goodness they actually saw through all- parliament, thank goodness they actually saw through all the i parliament, thank goodness they . actually saw through all the rubbish that that _ actually saw through all the rubbish that that man — actually saw through all the rubbish that that man speaks. _ actually saw through all the rubbish that that man speaks. what - actually saw through all the rubbish that that man speaks. what really i that that man speaks. what really upset _ that that man speaks. what really upset me — that that man speaks. what really upset me was _ that that man speaks. what really upset me was the _ that that man speaks. what really upset me was the gentleman - that that man speaks. what really upset me was the gentleman who| upset me was the gentleman who called _ upset me was the gentleman who called in — upset me was the gentleman who called in and _ upset me was the gentleman who called in and try— upset me was the gentleman who called in and try to _ upset me was the gentleman who called in and try to justify - upset me was the gentleman who called in and try to justify his - called in and try to justify his slightly— called in and try to justify his slightly within _ called in and try to justify his slightly within the _ called in and try to justify his slightly within the rules, - slightly within the rules, attempting _ slightly within the rules, attempting to _ slightly within the rules, attempting to as - slightly within the rules, attempting to as far - slightly within the rules, attempting to as far as i

slightly within the rules, - attempting to as far as possible gather— attempting to as far as possible gather for— attempting to as far as possible gather for a _ attempting to as far as possible gather for a retirement. - attempting to as far as possible gatherfora retirement. my- attempting to as far as possible i gather for a retirement. my father died of— gather for a retirement. my father died of covid, _ gather for a retirement. my father died of covid, we _ gather for a retirement. my father died of covid, we had _ gather for a retirement. my father died of covid, we had a _ gather for a retirement. my father died of covid, we had a six - gather for a retirement. my father died of covid, we had a six personj died of covid, we had a six person funeral. _ died of covid, we had a six person funeral. my— died of covid, we had a six person funeral, my mother— died of covid, we had a six person funeral, my mother could - died of covid, we had a six person funeral, my mother could not- died of covid, we had a six personi funeral, my mother could not even put a _ funeral, my mother could not even put a carnation _ funeral, my mother could not even put a carnation on _ funeral, my mother could not even put a carnation on his— funeral, my mother could not even put a carnation on his coffin - put a carnation on his coffin because _ put a carnation on his coffin because he _ put a carnation on his coffin because he had _ put a carnation on his coffin because he had died - put a carnation on his coffin because he had died of- put a carnation on his coffin . because he had died of covid, put a carnation on his coffin - because he had died of covid, we were _ because he had died of covid, we were hot— because he had died of covid, we were not allowed _ because he had died of covid, we were not allowed near— because he had died of covid, we were not allowed near each - because he had died of covid, wei were not allowed near each other, because he had died of covid, we - were not allowed near each other, we could _ were not allowed near each other, we could not— were not allowed near each other, we could not hug — were not allowed near each other, we could not hug her~ _ were not allowed near each other, we could not hug her. it— were not allowed near each other, we could not hug her. it was— were not allowed near each other, we could not hug her. it was barbaric. - could not hug her. it was barbaric. the whole — could not hug her. it was barbaric. the whole party— could not hug her. it was barbaric. the whole party gathering... - could not hug her. it was barbaric. the whole party gathering... i- could not hug her. it was barbaric. the whole party gathering... i do. the whole party gathering... i do not care — the whole party gathering... i do not care how _ the whole party gathering... i do not care how hard _ the whole party gathering... i do not care how hard they— the whole party gathering... i do not care how hard they were - the whole party gathering... i do- not care how hard they were looking, i worked _ not care how hard they were looking, i worked through _ not care how hard they were looking, i worked through covid, _ not care how hard they were looking, i worked through covid, working - not care how hard they were looking, i worked through covid, working in l not care how hard they were looking, i worked through covid, working in a | i worked through covid, working in a supermarket, — i worked through covid, working in a supermarket, through _ i worked through covid, working in a supermarket, through the _ i worked through covid, working in a supermarket, through the night, - i worked through covid, working in a l supermarket, through the night, with a mask— supermarket, through the night, with a mask on_ supermarket, through the night, with a mask on for— supermarket, through the night, with a mask on for ten _ supermarket, through the night, with a mask on for ten hours, _ supermarket, through the night, with a mask on for ten hours, and - supermarket, through the night, with a mask on for ten hours, and we - supermarket, through the night, with| a mask on for ten hours, and we were not allowed _ a mask on for ten hours, and we were not allowed hear— a mask on for ten hours, and we were not allowed near each _ a mask on for ten hours, and we were not allowed near each other. - a mask on for ten hours, and we were not allowed near each other. any- not allowed near each other. any kind of— not allowed near each other. any kind of excuse _ not allowed near each other. any kind of excuse for— not allowed near each other. any kind of excuse for it... _ not allowed near each other. any kind of excuse for it... we - not allowed near each other. any kind of excuse for it... we are i not allowed near each other. any kind of excuse for it... we are to| kind of excuse for it... we are to sit outside — kind of excuse for it... we are to sit outside the _ kind of excuse for it... we are to sit outside the door, _ kind of excuse for it... we are to sit outside the door, trying - kind of excuse for it... we are to sit outside the door, trying to i sit outside the door, trying to comfort— sit outside the door, trying to comfort my— sit outside the door, trying to comfort my mother— sit outside the door, trying to comfort my mother from - sit outside the door, trying to . comfort my mother from having sit outside the door, trying to - comfort my mother from having lost her husband. — comfort my mother from having lost her husband, we _ comfort my mother from having lost her husband, we were _ comfort my mother from having lost her husband, we were not— comfort my mother from having lost her husband, we were not allowed l comfort my mother from having losti her husband, we were not allowed to id her husband, we were not allowed to go see _ her husband, we were not allowed to go see her— her husband, we were not allowed to go see her or— her husband, we were not allowed to go see her or stop— her husband, we were not allowed to go see her or stop your— her husband, we were not allowed to go see her or stop your having - her husband, we were not allowed to go see her or stop your having a - go see her or stop your having a distance — go see her or stop your having a distance cup— go see her or stop your having a distance cup of— go see her or stop your having a distance cup of tea, _ go see her or stop your having a distance cup of tea, which - go see her or stop your having a distance cup of tea, which was i go see her or stop your having aj distance cup of tea, which was a go see her or stop your having a . distance cup of tea, which was a bit dodgy— distance cup of tea, which was a bit dodgy according _ distance cup of tea, which was a bit dodgy according to _ distance cup of tea, which was a bit dodgy according to the _ distance cup of tea, which was a bit dodgy according to the rules. - distance cup of tea, which was a bit dodgy according to the rules. and l dodgy according to the rules. and they try— dodgy according to the rules. and they try and — dodgy according to the rules. and they try and justify _ dodgy according to the rules. and they try and justify it. _ dodgy according to the rules. and they try and justify it. well - dodgy according to the rules. and they try and justify it. well done i they try and justify it. well done they try and justify it. well done the committee. _ they try and justify it. well done the committee.— they try and justify it. well done the committee. restores your faith in parliament. _ the committee. restores your faith in parliament. thank _ the committee. restores your faith in parliament. thank you _ the committee. restores your faith in parliament. thank you so - the committee. restores your faith in parliament. thank you so much. | in parliament. thank you so much. richard, you have the floor. what is your reaction? i

richard, you have the floor. what is your reaction?— your reaction? ifeelfar less. i a front line _ your reaction? ifeelfar less. i a front line paramedic _ your reaction? ifeelfar less. i a front line paramedic and - your reaction? ifeelfar less. i a front line paramedic and i - your reaction? i feelfar less. i a. front line paramedic and i worked through— front line paramedic and i worked through covid. i am sickened by this man _ through covid. i am sickened by this man. beyond petulant, the man has zero insight — man. beyond petulant, the man has zero insight full stop there was a lady yesterday who an about her daughter — lady yesterday who an about her daughter who committed suicide. having _ daughter who committed suicide. having been part of all of this over the tast— having been part of all of this over the last few years, it isjust... i cannot— the last few years, it isjust... i cannot believe people are still supporting this man. he has zero insight, _ supporting this man. he has zero insight, he — supporting this man. he has zero insight, he isjust a typical atoni in, insight, he isjust a typical atoni in. the _ insight, he isjust a typical atoni in, the ruling elite. no one has a good _ in, the ruling elite. no one has a good word — in, the ruling elite. no one has a good word to say about him that knows _ good word to say about him that knows him, yet people are still supporting this man. it is astounding.— supporting this man. it is astounding. supporting this man. it is astoundinu. . , . supporting this man. it is astoundin. . , . astounding. nadine dorries and jacob rees-mon . astounding. nadine dorries and jacob rees-moog know _ astounding. nadine dorries and jacob rees-mogg know him _ astounding. nadine dorries and jacob rees-mogg know him and _ astounding. nadine dorries and jacob rees-mogg know him and admire - astounding. nadine dorries and jacobl rees-mogg know him and admire him rees—mogg know him and admire him greatly. rees-mogg know him and admire him ureatl . , ,, .~ rees-mogg know him and admire him ureatl . , ,, . ,, ., , , greatly. they speak for themselves, don't they? — greatly. they speak for themselves, don't they? the _ greatly. they speak for themselves, don't they? the general— greatly. they speak for themselves, don't they? the general public - greatly. they speak for themselves, don't they? the general public do i don't they? the general public do not need — don't they? the general public do not need to say anything about those people _ not need to say anything about those people. are they not listening to the public? are they not listening to people — the public? are they not listening to people like your last caller,

about — to people like your last caller, about people dying around them? it is because _ about people dying around them? it is because of them. i have had to took— is because of them. i have had to took at _ is because of them. i have had to look at patients and say to them, sorry. _ look at patients and say to them, sorry. you — look at patients and say to them, sorry, you cannot come with your relative _ sorry, you cannot come with your relative and — sorry, you cannot come with your relative and watch them die. it is absolutely — relative and watch them die. it is absolutely heartbreaking. you never had to— absolutely heartbreaking. you never had to do— absolutely heartbreaking. you never had to do that. he had a party. it wasn't _ had to do that. he had a party. it wasn't a — had to do that. he had a party. it wasn't a party, according to him. it isjust— wasn't a party, according to him. it isjust appalling. i find people that cannot see through this, you know, _ that cannot see through this, you know. what— that cannot see through this, you know, what is wrong with them? are they deluded about this buffoon of a man? _ they deluded about this buffoon of a man? �* . . ~ they deluded about this buffoon of a man? 1, . ~ i. . man? back with you, liz, what did ou make man? back with you, liz, what did you make of _ man? back with you, liz, what did you make of his _ man? back with you, liz, what did you make of his response, - man? back with you, liz, what did you make of his response, saying| you make of his response, saying that the conclusions of this committee were deranged? it is committee were deranged? it is ical committee were deranged? it is typical boris. — committee were deranged? it is typical boris, isn't _ committee were deranged? it is typical boris, isn't it? he just talks— typical boris, isn't it? he just talks rubbish. _ typical boris, isn't it? he just talks rubbish. he _ typical boris, isn't it? he just talks rubbish. he is— typical boris, isn't it? he just talks rubbish. he is so- typical boris, isn't it? he just talks rubbish. he is so full. typical boris, isn't it? he just talks rubbish. he is so full of| talks rubbish. he is so full of himself— talks rubbish. he is so full of himself and _ talks rubbish. he is so full of himself and his _ talks rubbish. he is so full of himself and his own - talks rubbish. he is so full of- himself and his own self—importance. he is beyond — himself and his own self—importance. he is beyond a — himself and his own self—importance. he is beyond a joke. _ himself and his own self—importance. he is beyond a joke. there _ himself and his own self—importance. he is beyond a joke. there are - himself and his own self—importance. he is beyond a joke. there are no- he is beyond a joke. there are no words _ he is beyond a joke. there are no words to— he is beyond a joke. there are no words to describe _ he is beyond a joke. there are no words to describe him. _ he is beyond a joke. there are no words to describe him. he - he is beyond a joke. there are no words to describe him. he is- words to describe him. he is appalling, _ words to describe him. he is appalling, and _ words to describe him. he is. appalling, and embarrassment. words to describe him. he is- appalling, and embarrassment. the fact he _ appalling, and embarrassment. the fact he was— appalling, and embarrassment. the fact he was of— appalling, and embarrassment. the fact he was of a _ appalling, and embarrassment. the fact he was of a prime _ appalling, and embarrassment. the fact he was of a prime minister- appalling, and embarrassment. the fact he was of a prime minister of. fact he was of a prime minister of this country— fact he was of a prime minister of this country is _ fact he was of a prime minister of this country is beyond _ fact he was of a prime minister of this country is beyond belief. -

fact he was of a prime minister of| this country is beyond belief. who are we _ this country is beyond belief. who are we to — this country is beyond belief. who are we to have _ this country is beyond belief. who are we to have voted _ this country is beyond belief. who are we to have voted that - this country is beyond belief. who are we to have voted that idiot - this country is beyond belief. who| are we to have voted that idiot in? we are _ are we to have voted that idiot in? we are taking _ are we to have voted that idiot in? we are taking the _ are we to have voted that idiot in? we are taking the calls _ are we to have voted that idiot in? we are taking the calls that - are we to have voted that idiot in? we are taking the calls that we - are we to have voted that idiot in? j we are taking the calls that we are getting. we are taking the calls that we are cuettin. ~ ., we are taking the calls that we are getting-_ strong - we are taking the calls that we are getting._ strong stuff, - we are taking the calls that we are | getting._ strong stuff, this getting. morning. strong stuff, this reort, getting. morning. strong stuff, this report. isn't — getting. morning. strong stuff, this report. isn't it? _ getting. morning. strong stuff, this report, isn't it? i— getting. morning. strong stuff, this report, isn't it? i am _ getting. morning. strong stuff, this report, isn't it? i am glad _ getting. morning. strong stuff, this report, isn't it? i am glad to - getting. morning. strong stuff, this report, isn't it? i am glad to see i report, isn't it? i am glad to see him finally _ report, isn't it? i am glad to see him finally getting _ report, isn't it? i am glad to see him finally getting the _ report, isn't it? i am glad to see him finally getting the justice i report, isn't it? i am glad to see him finally getting the justice he deserves. he has spent this whole time, _ deserves. he has spent this whole time, the — deserves. he has spent this whole time, the archetypal toddler saying they did _ time, the archetypal toddler saying they did not eat the chocolate cake. you did _ they did not eat the chocolate cake. you did eat — they did not eat the chocolate cake. you did eat the chocolate cake, then he lied _ you did eat the chocolate cake, then he lied about it, then he lied about tying _ he lied about it, then he lied about tying now— he lied about it, then he lied about lying. now he has come out swinging and attacking. it is like the heat in defence, if you get caught in ely. _ in defence, if you get caught in ely. just— in defence, if you get caught in ely, just use in big words that they won't _ ely, just use in big words that they won't understand, and you will get away— won't understand, and you will get away with— won't understand, and you will get away with that. he has not. we will all remember this. borisjohnson, away with that. he has not. we will all rememberthis. borisjohnson, i hope _ all rememberthis. borisjohnson, i hope he _ all rememberthis. borisjohnson, i hope he does not believe in karma because _ hope he does not believe in karma because karma is coming for him. you can let because karma is coming for him. you can net to because karma is coming for him. you can get to us — because karma is coming for him. you can get to us on _ because karma is coming for him. gm. can get to us on the phones and you can get to us on the phones and you can text. your name and location on the end of the text, that would be

really helpful. we are on social media as well. chris.— really helpful. we are on social media as well. chris. i media as well. chris. how are you? i am fine. media as well. chris. how are you? i am fine- we — media as well. chris. how are you? i am fine. we are _ media as well. chris. how are you? i am fine. we are regurgitating - media as well. chris. how are you? i am fine. we are regurgitating and i am fine. we are regurgitating and cogitating. what are your thoughts? ijust cogitating. what are your thoughts? i just wanted to say that this is ijust wanted to say that this is not the — ijust wanted to say that this is not the end _ ijust wanted to say that this is not the end of— ijust wanted to say that this is not the end of boris _ ijust wanted to say that this is not the end of borisjohnson. i ijust wanted to say that this is i not the end of borisjohnson. this isjust— not the end of borisjohnson. this isiust the — not the end of borisjohnson. this is just the beginning _ not the end of borisjohnson. this is just the beginning of _ not the end of borisjohnson. this isjust the beginning of boris - isjust the beginning of boris johnson _ isjust the beginning of boris johnson is _ isjust the beginning of boris johnson is a _ isjust the beginning of boris johnson is a former- isjust the beginning of borisi johnson is a former disgraced isjust the beginning of boris - johnson is a former disgraced prime minister _ johnson is a former disgraced prime minister it— johnson is a former disgraced prime minister it is— johnson is a former disgraced prime minister. it is brilliant. _ johnson is a former disgraced prime minister. it is brilliant. it _ johnson is a former disgraced prime minister. it is brilliant. it is - minister. it is brilliant. it is superb _ minister. it is brilliant. it is superb it _ minister. it is brilliant. it is superb. it is— minister. it is brilliant. it is superb. it is not _ minister. it is brilliant. it is superb. it is not like - minister. it is brilliant. it is superb. it is not like the i minister. it is brilliant. it is - superb. it is not like the donald trump — superb. it is not like the donald trump effect, _ superb. it is not like the donald trump effect, this— superb. it is not like the donald trump effect, this is— superb. it is not like the donald trump effect, this is more - superb. it is not like the donald trump effect, this is more like. trump effect, this is more like richard — trump effect, this is more like richard nixon. _ trump effect, this is more like richard nixon. it— trump effect, this is more like richard nixon. it is— trump effect, this is more like richard nixon. it is going - trump effect, this is more like richard nixon. it is going to. trump effect, this is more like| richard nixon. it is going to be trump effect, this is more like - richard nixon. it is going to be fun for everyone — richard nixon. it is going to be fun for everyone. the _ richard nixon. it is going to be fun for everyone-— richard nixon. it is going to be fun for everyone. the d word, disgrace. 0h, for everyone. the d word, disgrace. oh. yeah- — for everyone. the d word, disgrace. oh. yeah. how _ for everyone. the d word, disgrace. oh, yeah. how will— for everyone. the d word, disgrace. oh, yeah. how will that _ for everyone. the d word, disgrace. oh, yeah. how will that manifest i oh, yeah. how will that manifest itself? _ oh, yeah. how will that manifest itself? ~ ., oh, yeah. how will that manifest itself? ~ . , ., oh, yeah. how will that manifest itself? ~ ., , ., ~' oh, yeah. how will that manifest itself? ~ . ,, ., itself? whatever you think of him, he has had — itself? whatever you think of him, he has had admirers, _ itself? whatever you think of him, he has had admirers, his- itself? whatever you think of him, j he has had admirers, his acolytes, his followers, those who worship the very ground he walks on. and

his followers, those who worship the very ground he walks on.— very ground he walks on. and it is thinnin: very ground he walks on. and it is thinning out _ very ground he walks on. and it is thinning out as _ very ground he walks on. and it is thinning out as we _ very ground he walks on. and it is thinning out as we speak. - very ground he walks on. and it is thinning out as we speak. it - very ground he walks on. and it is thinning out as we speak. it is - thinning out as we speak. it is thinning — thinning out as we speak. it is thinning out— thinning out as we speak. it is thinning out as _ thinning out as we speak. it is thinning out as we _ thinning out as we speak. it is thinning out as we speak. - thinning out as we speak. it is thinning out as we speak. butj thinning out as we speak. it is thinning out as we speak. but his wallet will thicken, _ thinning out as we speak. but his wallet will thicken, won't - thinning out as we speak. but his wallet will thicken, won't it? - thinning out as we speak. but his wallet will thicken, won't it? all. wallet will thicken, won't it? all the speeches, he will still be in demand. never mind the d word, may be the m word. marterer. br; a demand. never mind the d word, may be the m word. marterer.— be the m word. marterer. by a select few people. — be the m word. marterer. by a select few people. who _ be the m word. marterer. by a select few people, who will— be the m word. marterer. by a select few people, who will be _ be the m word. marterer. by a select few people, who will be considered l few people, who will be considered to be _ few people, who will be considered to be mad — few people, who will be considered to be mad if— few people, who will be considered to be mad if i _ few people, who will be considered to be mad. if i meet _ few people, who will be considered to be mad. if i meet someone - few people, who will be considered to be mad. if i meet someone who| to be mad. if i meet someone who supports _ to be mad. if i meet someone who supports boris _ to be mad. if i meet someone who supports borisjohnson, _ to be mad. if i meet someone who supports borisjohnson, i- to be mad. if i meet someone who supports borisjohnson, ithink- to be mad. if i meet someone who| supports borisjohnson, i think they are twisted — supports borisjohnson, i think they are twisted i— supports borisjohnson, i think they are twisted. i think— supports borisjohnson, i think they are twisted. i think there _ supports borisjohnson, i think they are twisted. i think there is- are twisted. i think there is something _ are twisted. i think there is something absolutely- are twisted. i think there isl something absolutely wrong are twisted. i think there is- something absolutely wrong with them _ something absolutely wrong with them even— something absolutely wrong with them. even before _ something absolutely wrong with them. even before he _ something absolutely wrong with them. even before he became i something absolutely wrong with - them. even before he became prime minister. _ them. even before he became prime minister. he — them. even before he became prime minister, he was _ them. even before he became prime minister, he was a _ them. even before he became prime minister, he was a proven— them. even before he became prime minister, he was a proven liar. - them. even before he became prime minister, he was a proven liar. then| minister, he was a proven liar. then he joined _ minister, he was a proven liar. then he joined parliament, _ minister, he was a proven liar. then hejoined parliament, and— minister, he was a proven liar. then he joined parliament, and then - minister, he was a proven liar. then he joined parliament, and then he l he joined parliament, and then he becomes— he joined parliament, and then he becomes prime _ he joined parliament, and then he becomes prime minister, - he joined parliament, and then he becomes prime minister, and - he joined parliament, and then he becomes prime minister, and he i becomes prime minister, and he continues— becomes prime minister, and he continues that _ becomes prime minister, and he continues that rhetoric. - becomes prime minister, and he continues that rhetoric. he - continues that rhetoric. he continues— continues that rhetoric. he continues to _ continues that rhetoric. he continues to be _ continues that rhetoric. he continues to be a - continues that rhetoric. he continues to be a liar. - continues that rhetoric. he continues to be a liar. it i continues that rhetoric. he continues to be a liar. it is| continues that rhetoric. he - continues to be a liar. it is great. we all— continues to be a liar. it is great. we all knew— continues to be a liar. it is great. we all knew it _ continues to be a liar. it is great. we all knew it was _ continues to be a liar. it is great. we all knew it was coming, - continues to be a liar. it is great. we all knew it was coming, we . continues to be a liar. it is great. i we all knew it was coming, we all saw it _ we all knew it was coming, we all saw it the — we all knew it was coming, we all saw it. the thing _ we all knew it was coming, we all saw it. the thing that _ we all knew it was coming, we all saw it. the thing that has - we all knew it was coming, we all. saw it. the thing that has happened that made _ saw it. the thing that has happened that made me — saw it. the thing that has happened that made me feel— saw it. the thing that has happened that made me feel a _ saw it. the thing that has happened that made me feel a little _ saw it. the thing that has happened that made me feel a little bit- that made me feel a little bit better— that made me feel a little bit better as _ that made me feel a little bit better as it— that made me feel a little bit better as it has— that made me feel a little bit better as it has given - that made me feel a little bit better as it has given me - that made me feel a little bit better as it has given me a l that made me feel a little bitl better as it has given me a bit that made me feel a little bit- better as it has given me a bit more faith in— better as it has given me a bit more faith in parliament. _ better as it has given me a bit more faith in parliament. i— better as it has given me a bit more faith in parliament. i have - better as it has given me a bit more faith in parliament. i have been - faith in parliament. i have been thinking — faith in parliament. i have been thinking that _ faith in parliament. i have been thinking that parliament - faith in parliament. i have been thinking that parliament does l faith in parliament. i have been l thinking that parliament does not work— thinking that parliament does not work for— thinking that parliament does not work for the —

thinking that parliament does not work for the last _ thinking that parliament does not work for the last 13 _ thinking that parliament does not work for the last 13 years. - thinking that parliament does not l work for the last 13 years. suddenly it is like. _ work for the last 13 years. suddenly it is like. oh. — work for the last 13 years. suddenly it is like, oh, it— work for the last 13 years. suddenly it is like, oh, it does _ work for the last 13 years. suddenly it is like, oh, it does work. - work for the last 13 years. suddenly it is like, oh, it does work. it- work for the last 13 years. suddenly it is like, oh, it does work. it has. it is like, oh, it does work. it has taken _ it is like, oh, it does work. it has taken its — it is like, oh, it does work. it has taken its time _ it is like, oh, it does work. it has taken its time to— it is like, oh, it does work. it has taken its time to work. _ it is like, oh, it does work. it has taken its time to work. [- it is like, oh, it does work. it has taken its time to work.— it is like, oh, it does work. it has taken its time to work. i think liz said it, taken its time to work. i think liz said it. as _ taken its time to work. i think liz said it, as well, _ taken its time to work. i think liz said it, as well, the _ taken its time to work. i think liz said it, as well, the political- said it, as well, the political paradox, this is the sovereignty of parliament. i paradox, this is the sovereignty of parliament-— paradox, this is the sovereignty of parliament. . ~ ., , . parliament. i am kind of pleased and i am parliament. i am kind of pleased and i am also- -- — parliament. i am kind of pleased and i am also... the _ parliament. i am kind of pleased and i am also... the last _ parliament. i am kind of pleased and i am also... the last few— parliament. i am kind of pleased and i am also... the last few years, - parliament. i am kind of pleased and i am also... the last few years, it. i am also... the last few years, it has been — i am also... the last few years, it has been punishing _ i am also... the last few years, it has been punishing for— i am also... the last few years, it has been punishing for everyone. | has been punishing for everyone. everyone — has been punishing for everyone. everyone is— has been punishing for everyone. everyone is fed _ has been punishing for everyone. everyone is fed up _ has been punishing for everyone. everyone is fed up of— has been punishing for everyone. everyone is fed up of him. - has been punishing for everyone. everyone is fed up of him. and i has been punishing for everyone. i everyone is fed up of him. and you are right, — everyone is fed up of him. and you are right, he — everyone is fed up of him. and you are right, he is— everyone is fed up of him. and you are right, he is not— everyone is fed up of him. and you are right, he is not going _ everyone is fed up of him. and you are right, he is not going to - everyone is fed up of him. and you are right, he is not going tojust. are right, he is not going tojust io are right, he is not going tojust go under— are right, he is not going tojust go under the _ are right, he is not going tojust go under the carpet, _ are right, he is not going tojust go under the carpet, but - are right, he is not going tojust go under the carpet, but he - are right, he is not going tojust go under the carpet, but he willj are right, he is not going tojust- go under the carpet, but he will now be introduced — go under the carpet, but he will now be introduced as _ go under the carpet, but he will now be introduced as disgraced - go under the carpet, but he will now be introduced as disgraced former. be introduced as disgraced former prime _ be introduced as disgraced former prime minister, _ be introduced as disgraced former prime minister, which _ be introduced as disgraced former prime minister, which is - be introduced as disgraced former prime minister, which is fine. - be introduced as disgraced former| prime minister, which is fine. that is not _ prime minister, which is fine. that is not going — prime minister, which is fine. that is not going to _ prime minister, which is fine. that is not going to leave _ prime minister, which is fine. that is not going to leave him - prime minister, which is fine. that is not going to leave him now. - prime minister, which is fine. that is not going to leave him now. it. is not going to leave him now. it will haunt— is not going to leave him now. it will haunt him. _ is not going to leave him now. it will haunt him. do _ is not going to leave him now. it will haunt him.— is not going to leave him now. it will haunt him. do not go anywhere. it is aood will haunt him. do not go anywhere. it is good to — will haunt him. do not go anywhere. it is good to have _ will haunt him. do not go anywhere. it is good to have liz _ will haunt him. do not go anywhere. it is good to have liz and _ will haunt him. do not go anywhere. it is good to have liz and kevin - will haunt him. do not go anywhere. it is good to have liz and kevin and l it is good to have liz and kevin and carol on. i think we'll have someone on any moment who takes a different view about borisjohnson. i will be very interested to hear what you think about that. as we have discussions on borisjohnson, there

is a strong caucus of the support for him and those who still very much admire and respect him. and think he is rather more saviour than a very naughty boy. who have i not gone to yet? it is kevin near great yarmouth. hello, kevin.— yarmouth. hello, kevin. hello. i completely— yarmouth. hello, kevin. hello. i completely agree _ yarmouth. hello, kevin. hello. i completely agree with _ yarmouth. hello, kevin. hello. i completely agree with those - yarmouth. hello, kevin. hello. i. completely agree with those people who have _ completely agree with those people who have criticised mrjohnson. it is a scandal— who have criticised mrjohnson. it is a scandal that he is impugning the committee because he is the one who told _ the committee because he is the one who told lies. but my main problem is with— who told lies. but my main problem is with rishi — who told lies. but my main problem is with rishi sunak and michael gove and my— is with rishi sunak and michael gove and my own — is with rishi sunak and michael gove and my own mp, brandon lewis, they must _ and my own mp, brandon lewis, they must have _ and my own mp, brandon lewis, they must have all known that he was telling _ must have all known that he was telling lies to parliament, and they sat there _ telling lies to parliament, and they sat there in silence, as long as they— sat there in silence, as long as they were _ sat there in silence, as long as they were still in office, they were prepared — they were still in office, they were prepared to sit there and listen to it alt _ prepared to sit there and listen to it alt then— prepared to sit there and listen to it all. then when sajid javid had

the courage to resign, then suddenly rishi sunak— the courage to resign, then suddenly rishi sunak did, and then they all did. rishi sunak did, and then they all did so _ rishi sunak did, and then they all did so it— rishi sunak did, and then they all did so it is— rishi sunak did, and then they all did. so it is really thanks to sajid javid _ did. so it is really thanks to sajid javid for— did. so it is really thanks to sajid javid for outing all of this. and others, javid for outing all of this. and others. kemi _ javid for outing all of this. fific others, kemi badenoch, a brexiteer on the right of the party. jonathan gallas, brexiteer on the right of the party. we are working on memory here, but there was a lot of them. let's welcome shirley and cornwall. hello, surely. let's welcome shirley and cornwall. hello. surely-— hello, surely. hello. my name is shirley sweeney. _ hello, surely. hello. my name is shirley sweeney. i— hello, surely. hello. my name is shirley sweeney. i live _ hello, surely. hello. my name is shirley sweeney. i live on - hello, surely. hello. my name is shirley sweeney. i live on the i hello, surely. hello. my name is i shirley sweeney. i live on the north coast _ shirley sweeney. i live on the north coast of— shirley sweeney. i live on the north coast of cornwall. _ shirley sweeney. i live on the north coast of cornwall.— coast of cornwall. you're very welcome- _ coast of cornwall. you're very welcome. thank _ coast of cornwall. you're very welcome. thank you - coast of cornwall. you're very welcome. thank you for - coast of cornwall. you're very l welcome. thank you for getting coast of cornwall. you're very - welcome. thank you for getting in touch. is welcome. thank you for getting in touch. . i welcome. thank you for getting in touch-- i want _ welcome. thank you for getting in touch.- i want to _ welcome. thank you for getting in touch.- i want to hear - welcome. thank you for getting in touch.- i want to hear you | touch. is fine. i want to hear you out about _ touch. is fine. i want to hear you out about boris _ touch. is fine. i want to hear you out about boris johnson. - touch. is fine. i want to hear you out about boris johnson. what i | touch. is fine. i want to hear you i out about boris johnson. what i am very concerned _ out about boris johnson. what i am very concerned about, _ out about boris johnson. what i am very concerned about, nicky, - out about boris johnson. what i am very concerned about, nicky, is - out about boris johnson. what i am very concerned about, nicky, is thej very concerned about, nicky, is the transparency— very concerned about, nicky, is the transparency of _ very concerned about, nicky, is the transparency of this _ very concerned about, nicky, is the transparency of this programme. i very concerned about, nicky, is the. transparency of this programme. we have had _ transparency of this programme. we have had oh— transparency of this programme. we have had oh days _ transparency of this programme. we have had oh days of _ transparency of this programme. we have had oh days of this _ transparency of this programme. we l have had oh days of this programme, but no _ have had oh days of this programme, but no one _ have had oh days of this programme,

but no one -- — have had oh days of this programme, but no one -- two— have had oh days of this programme, but no one —— two days, _ have had oh days of this programme, but no one —— two days, but - have had oh days of this programme, but no one —— two days, but no - have had oh days of this programme, but no one —— two days, but no one l but no one —— two days, but no one has mentioned _ but no one —— two days, but no one has mentioned the _ but no one —— two days, but no one has mentioned the fact _ but no one —— two days, but no one has mentioned the fact that... - but no one —— two days, but no one has mentioned the fact that... we i has mentioned the fact that... we will talk— has mentioned the fact that... we will talk about— has mentioned the fact that... we will talk about coral— has mentioned the fact that... we will talk about coral because - has mentioned the fact that... we will talk about coral because thati will talk about coral because that is where — will talk about coral because that is where i— will talk about coral because that is where i live. _ will talk about coral because that is where i live. we _ will talk about coral because that is where i live. we had _ will talk about coral because that is where i live. we had many, . will talk about coral because that i is where i live. we had many, many thousands— is where i live. we had many, many thousands of— is where i live. we had many, many thousands of visitors _ is where i live. we had many, many thousands of visitors to _ is where i live. we had many, many thousands of visitors to your- is where i live. we had many, many thousands of visitors to your —— - is where i live. we had many, many thousands of visitors to your —— wei thousands of visitors to your —— we will talk— thousands of visitors to your —— we will talk about— thousands of visitors to your —— we will talk about cornwall. _ thousands of visitors to your —— we will talk about cornwall. illegally, i will talk about cornwall. illegally, they should — will talk about cornwall. illegally, they should not _ will talk about cornwall. illegally, they should not have _ will talk about cornwall. illegally, they should not have been- will talk about cornwall. illegally, they should not have been here. i will talk about cornwall. illegally, - they should not have been here. they broke _ they should not have been here. they broke the _ they should not have been here. they broke the rules. _ they should not have been here. they broke the rules. i— they should not have been here. they broke the rules. i broke _ they should not have been here. they broke the rules. i broke the _ they should not have been here. they broke the rules. i broke the rules- broke the rules. i broke the rules myself— broke the rules. i broke the rules myself as— broke the rules. i broke the rules myself as welt _ broke the rules. i broke the rules myself as well. we _ broke the rules. i broke the rules myself as well. we had _ broke the rules. i broke the rules myself as well. we had carers . broke the rules. i broke the rules. myself as well. we had carers that refused _ myself as well. we had carers that refused the — myself as well. we had carers that refused the vaccine, _ myself as well. we had carers that refused the vaccine, we _ myself as well. we had carers that refused the vaccine, we had - myself as well. we had carers that i refused the vaccine, we had medical staff that _ refused the vaccine, we had medical staff that refused _ refused the vaccine, we had medical staff that refused the _ refused the vaccine, we had medical staff that refused the vaccine, - refused the vaccine, we had medical staff that refused the vaccine, but i staff that refused the vaccine, but we were _ staff that refused the vaccine, but we were inundated _ staff that refused the vaccine, but we were inundated with _ staff that refused the vaccine, but we were inundated with people i staff that refused the vaccine, butj we were inundated with people on staff that refused the vaccine, but - we were inundated with people on the beaches, _ we were inundated with people on the beaches, we _ we were inundated with people on the beaches, we could _ we were inundated with people on the beaches, we could not _ we were inundated with people on the beaches, we could not move. - we were inundated with people on the beaches, we could not move. the - beaches, we could not move. the toitets _ beaches, we could not move. the toitets were — beaches, we could not move. the toilets were closed _ beaches, we could not move. the toilets were closed because - beaches, we could not move. the. toilets were closed because people should _ toilets were closed because people should not— toilets were closed because people should not have _ toilets were closed because people should not have been _ toilets were closed because people should not have been here. - toilets were closed because people should not have been here. so - toilets were closed because people should not have been here. so are| toilets were closed because people i should not have been here. so are we going _ should not have been here. so are we going to _ should not have been here. so are we going to say— should not have been here. so are we going to say that _ should not have been here. so are we going to say that boris _ should not have been here. so are we going to say that boris is _ should not have been here. so are we going to say that boris is to _ should not have been here. so are we going to say that boris is to blame? l going to say that boris is to blame? this was— going to say that boris is to blame? this was across _ going to say that boris is to blame? this was across the _ going to say that boris is to blame? this was across the country. - going to say that boris is to blame? this was across the country. when i this was across the country. when millions— this was across the country. when millions and — this was across the country. when millions and millions _ this was across the country. when millions and millions of _ this was across the country. when millions and millions of people - millions and millions of people broke — millions and millions of people broke the _ millions and millions of people

broke the rules? _ millions and millions of people broke the rules? this- millions and millions of people broke the rules? this was... i millions and millions of people i broke the rules? this was... but with those _ broke the rules? this was... with those people have light broke the rules? this was...- with those people have light about the fact they did it when they were under oath? i the fact they did it when they were under oath?— under oath? i agree with that, nic , under oath? i agree with that, nicky. but _ under oath? i agree with that, nicky. but we _ under oath? i agree with that, nicky, but we cannot - under oath? i agree with that, nicky, but we cannot defend l under oath? i agree with that, - nicky, but we cannot defend people like myself— nicky, but we cannot defend people like mysetf who— nicky, but we cannot defend people like myself who broke _ nicky, but we cannot defend people like myself who broke the _ nicky, but we cannot defend people like myself who broke the rules- nicky, but we cannot defend people like myself who broke the rules by. like myself who broke the rules by driving _ like myself who broke the rules by driving over~~ _ like myself who broke the rules by driving over~~ i_ like myself who broke the rules by driving over... i live _ like myself who broke the rules by driving over... i live on— like myself who broke the rules by driving over... i live on the - like myself who broke the rules by driving over... i live on the north i driving over... i live on the north coast _ driving over... i live on the north coast but— driving over... i live on the north coast but the _ driving over... i live on the north coast. but the thing _ driving over... i live on the north coast. but the thing is, - driving over... i live on the north coast. but the thing is, i- driving over... i live on the north coast. but the thing is, i still- coast. but the thing is, i still broke — coast. but the thing is, i still broke the _ coast. but the thing is, i still broke the rules, _ coast. but the thing is, i still broke the rules, and - coast. but the thing is, i still broke the rules, and it- coast. but the thing is, i still broke the rules, and it was. coast. but the thing is, i still- broke the rules, and it was being spread _ broke the rules, and it was being spread this _ broke the rules, and it was being spread. this covid _ broke the rules, and it was being spread. this covid virus - broke the rules, and it was being spread. this covid virus was - broke the rules, and it was beingl spread. this covid virus was being spread _ spread. this covid virus was being spread i— spread. this covid virus was being spread i know— spread. this covid virus was being spread. i know what _ spread. this covid virus was being spread. i know what boris - spread. this covid virus was being spread. i know what boris did - spread. this covid virus was being spread. i know what boris did wasj spread. i know what boris did was wrong. _ spread. i know what boris did was wrong. but — spread. i know what boris did was wrong, but there _ spread. i know what boris did was wrong, but there are _ spread. i know what boris did was wrong, but there are so _ spread. i know what boris did was wrong, but there are so many- spread. i know what boris did was. wrong, but there are so many people who will— wrong, but there are so many people who will not — wrong, but there are so many people who will not stand _ wrong, but there are so many people who will not stand up _ wrong, but there are so many people who will not stand up and _ wrong, but there are so many people who will not stand up and be - wrong, but there are so many people who will not stand up and be counted and say. _ who will not stand up and be counted and say. yes. — who will not stand up and be counted and say. yes. i— who will not stand up and be counted and say, yes, i broke _ who will not stand up and be counted and say, yes, i broke the _ who will not stand up and be counted and say, yes, i broke the rules. - who will not stand up and be counted and say, yes, i broke the rules. we l and say, yes, i broke the rules. we had horrendous _ and say, yes, i broke the rules. we had horrendous problems- and say, yes, i broke the rules. we had horrendous problems here. - and say, yes, i broke the rules. we| had horrendous problems here. the police _ had horrendous problems here. the police were — had horrendous problems here. the police were really— had horrendous problems here. the police were really good, _ had horrendous problems here. the police were really good, but - had horrendous problems here. the police were really good, but there l police were really good, but there was not _ police were really good, but there was not enough _ police were really good, but there was not enough of— police were really good, but there was not enough of them - police were really good, but there was not enough of them when - police were really good, but there was not enough of them when all| was not enough of them when all these _ was not enough of them when all these rules— was not enough of them when all these rules came _ was not enough of them when all these rules came in. _ was not enough of them when all these rules came in. as- was not enough of them when all these rules came in. as far- was not enough of them when all these rules came in. as far as- was not enough of them when all these rules came in. as far as i. was not enough of them when all i these rules came in. as far as i was concerned. — these rules came in. as far as i was concerned. nicky. _ these rules came in. as far as i was concerned. nicky. i— these rules came in. as far as i was concerned, nicky, i think— these rules came in. as far as i was concerned, nicky, i think these - concerned, nicky, i think these rules— concerned, nicky, i think these rules were _ concerned, nicky, i think these rules were absolute _ concerned, nicky, i think these rules were absolute nonsense. |

concerned, nicky, ithink these rules were absolute nonsense. surely come u- rules were absolute nonsense. surely come up with — rules were absolute nonsense. surely come up with huge — rules were absolute nonsense. surely come up with huge respect, - rules were absolute nonsense. surely come up with huge respect, that - rules were absolute nonsense. surely come up with huge respect, that is i come up with huge respect, that is another issue, that is another debate. i another issue, that is another debate. ~' ., another issue, that is another debate. ~ .. , , , .. debate. i know it is, but it is not bein: debate. i know it is, but it is not being talked _ debate. i know it is, but it is not being talked about. _ debate. i know it is, but it is not being talked about. when - debate. i know it is, but it is not| being talked about. when people debate. i know it is, but it is not - being talked about. when people were saying _ being talked about. when people were saying about _ being talked about. when people were saying about care _ being talked about. when people were saying about care homes, _ being talked about. when people were saying about care homes, that - being talked about. when people were saying about care homes, that they. saying about care homes, that they were not— saying about care homes, that they were not allowed _ saying about care homes, that they were not allowed to _ saying about care homes, that they were not allowed to go _ saying about care homes, that they were not allowed to go in, - saying about care homes, that they were not allowed to go in, but - saying about care homes, that theyi were not allowed to go in, but there were not allowed to go in, but there were many— were not allowed to go in, but there were many carers— were not allowed to go in, but there were many carers also _ were not allowed to go in, but there were many carers also in _ were not allowed to go in, but there were many carers also in these - were not allowed to go in, but there i were many carers also in these homes that were _ were many carers also in these homes that were breaking _ were many carers also in these homes that were breaking the _ were many carers also in these homes that were breaking the rules. - were many carers also in these homes that were breaking the rules. the?- that were breaking the rules. they did not that were breaking the rules. they did rrot make _ that were breaking the rules. they did not make the _ that were breaking the rules. they did not make the rules. _ that were breaking the rules. tip;- did not make the rules. the that were breaking the rules.- did not make the rules. the macro most definitely they were. but they didn't make the rules. trio. most definitely they were. but they didn't make the rules.— didn't make the rules. no, i agree with ou. didn't make the rules. no, i agree with you- ltut— didn't make the rules. no, i agree with you. but what _ didn't make the rules. no, i agree with you. but what you _ didn't make the rules. no, i agree with you. but what you are - didn't make the rules. no, i agree with you. but what you are not. with you. but what you are not seeing — with you. but what you are not seeing either. _ with you. but what you are not seeing either, which _ with you. but what you are not seeing either, which someone| seeing either, which someone mentioned _ seeing either, which someone mentioned about _ seeing either, which someone mentioned about an _ seeing either, which someone mentioned about an mp, - seeing either, which someone mentioned about an mp, keir| seeing either, which someone - mentioned about an mp, keir starmer is not _ mentioned about an mp, keir starmer is not looking — mentioned about an mp, keir starmer is not looking up— mentioned about an mp, keir starmer is not looking up and _ mentioned about an mp, keir starmer is not looking up and saying, - mentioned about an mp, keir starmer is not looking up and saying, but - is not looking up and saying, but steve _ is not looking up and saying, but steve broke _ is not looking up and saying, but steve broke the _ is not looking up and saying, but steve broke the rules _ is not looking up and saying, but steve broke the rules by- is not looking up and saying, but steve broke the rules by driving i steve broke the rules by driving hundreds— steve broke the rules by driving hundreds of— steve broke the rules by driving hundreds of miles _ steve broke the rules by driving hundreds of miles up _ steve broke the rules by driving hundreds of miles up to- steve broke the rules by driving hundreds of miles up to see - steve broke the rules by driving hundreds of miles up to see his| hundreds of miles up to see his father — hundreds of miles up to see his father i— hundreds of miles up to see his father. ., ~ hundreds of miles up to see his father. .. ~ .,

hundreds of miles up to see his father. .. ~ .. , father. i wonder... we do. the rules ke -t father. i wonder... we do. the rules kept changing. _ father. i wonder... we do. the rules kept changing. and _ father. i wonder... we do. the rules kept changing, and boris _ father. i wonder... we do. the rules kept changing, and boris johnson i kept changing, and borisjohnson appeared on television, remember him looking into the camera and saying, you must do this, this is necessary. one litre, two metres, i need a list of all the things we were told to do and told not to do. is, do you think this is relevant. liz has gone. anyone else? chris in worcester and kevin... we have got a dell in hull. hello, adele. taste kevin... we have got a dell in hull. hello. adele-— hello, adele. we got there eventually. _ hello, adele. we got there eventually. is _ hello, adele. we got there eventually. is this - hello, adele. we got there | eventually. is this relevant, hello, adele. we got there - eventually. is this relevant, that --eole u- eventually. is this relevant, that people up and — eventually. is this relevant, that people up and down _ eventually. is this relevant, that people up and down the - eventually. is this relevant, that people up and down the country| eventually. is this relevant, that - people up and down the country were not adhering to those rules? is this relevant to today's conversation. ? i must admit, i would relevant to today's conversation. ? i must admit, iwould not relevant to today's conversation. ? i must admit, i would not have text and if i had not heard a snippet of what you are saying about boris's response. i'm going to paraphrase

it, about his staff are in the thick of it, about i suppose providing for their mental health, you know. as a primary teacher who went through the pandemic, we were sent to different schools... i'm not the only person who was in a trust of many primary is, so you could potentially be sent to another trust. every day, every situation in those schools, we adhered to the rules that the government had set out. at no point did anybody go, come on, let's all have a beer at the end of the day. come on, we have got to take care. there were children who were upset because it was such an unusual situation. but he had experienced it before. and yet we could not give them a hug. we were this distance away, that distance away. we were away, that distance away. we were away from our peers most of the time

—— they were away from their peers most of the time. that was my motivation for texting, i suppose. who else did that? who else could see, myjustification for having a beer with a group of people when we should not have been doing that was they were in the thick of it? a lot of people were in the thick of it and a lot of people are getting ill because they were in the thick of it, but they would not have used that. that is what sticks a little bit with me. that. that is what sticks a little bit with me— that. that is what sticks a little bit with me. ~ ., .. ,, ., bit with me. what do you think of his response. _ bit with me. what do you think of his response, saying _ bit with me. what do you think of his response, saying the - bit with me. what do you think of. his response, saying the conclusion is deranged? pointing his finger at harriet harman, mentioning rishi sunak? it harriet harman, mentioning rishi sunak? . ~ . sunak? it is like the child with the chocolate on _ sunak? it is like the child with the chocolate on their— sunak? it is like the child with the chocolate on their face, _ sunak? it is like the child with the chocolate on their face, saying, i l chocolate on their face, saying, i have not eaten the chocolate. it comes across is that sort of petulant behaviour. a while ago, he would have been laughed off because he was a bit of a buffoon, but he was in charge of the country. it was

a devastating situation, so, he should possibly be saying, put his hand up and go, you are right, we made mistakes. they will not happen again. made mistakes. they will not happen aaain. . ~' ,, made mistakes. they will not happen aaain. . ,, ., , made mistakes. they will not happen a.ain_ ., ~' y., ., , again. thank you. primary teacher, it must have _ again. thank you. primary teacher, it must have been _ again. thank you. primary teacher, it must have been so _ again. thank you. primary teacher, it must have been so hard - again. thank you. primary teacher, it must have been so hard for - again. thank you. primary teacher, it must have been so hard for you | it must have been so hard for you during that period. i know it was. colin and jen. hello, both. colin, off you go. colin and jen. hello, both. colin, off you go— colin and jen. hello, both. colin, off ou o. , ., ., off you go. the reason i phoned and was i listened _ off you go. the reason i phoned and was i listened to _ off you go. the reason i phoned and was i listened to his _ off you go. the reason i phoned and was i listened to his defence. - was i listened to his defence. anyone — was i listened to his defence. anyone else who wants to phone in... sorry, you listen to his defence. he sent a sorry, you listen to his defence. he spent a quarter of £1 million on akc to come _ spent a quarter of £1 million on akc to come up— spent a quarter of £1 million on akc to come up with a bart simpson defence. — to come up with a bart simpson defence. i— to come up with a bart simpson defence, i didn't do it. prison is full defence, ididn't do it. prison is full of— defence, i didn't do it. prison is full of thousands of people in prison— full of thousands of people in prison who say they are not guilty. ithink— prison who say they are not guilty. i think boris — prison who say they are not guilty. i think boris is very clever here, i think— i think boris is very clever here, i think this — i think boris is very clever here, i think this proves his guile and his genius _ think this proves his guile and his

genius and — think this proves his guile and his genius and his narcissism, inasmuch as he _ genius and his narcissism, inasmuch as he is— genius and his narcissism, inasmuch as he is making sure that whenever this topic— as he is making sure that whenever this topic is — as he is making sure that whenever this topic is raised in history, his defence — this topic is raised in history, his defence is — this topic is raised in history, his defence is there. he will vehemently deny it _ defence is there. he will vehemently deny it. they do not do it because they are _ deny it. they do not do it because they are just angry, it is a bit like — they are just angry, it is a bit like with— they are just angry, it is a bit like with winston churchill is reputed _ like with winston churchill is reputed to have said, history will be kind _ reputed to have said, history will be kind to — reputed to have said, history will be kind to me, i know, because i will write — be kind to me, i know, because i will write it _ be kind to me, i know, because i will write it. to an extent, that is what _ will write it. to an extent, that is what boris — will write it. to an extent, that is what boris is doing.— will write it. to an extent, that is what boris is doing. they all have their e e what boris is doing. they all have their eye on _ what boris is doing. they all have their eye on the _ what boris is doing. they all have their eye on the mirror— what boris is doing. they all have their eye on the mirror of- what boris is doing. they all have | their eye on the mirror of history, don't they? i their eye on the mirror of history, don't they?— don't they? i wish i had said that. it is a don't they? i wish i had said that. it is a phrase. _ don't they? i wish i had said that. it is a phrase, yes. _ don't they? i wish i had said that. it is a phrase, yes. if— don't they? i wish i had said that. it is a phrase, yes. if you - don't they? i wish i had said that. it is a phrase, yes. if you think. it is a phrase, yes. if you think about it. _ it is a phrase, yes. if you think about it. it _ it is a phrase, yes. if you think about it, it is _ it is a phrase, yes. if you think about it, it is very _ it is a phrase, yes. if you think about it, it is very clever. - it is a phrase, yes. if you think about it, it is very clever. no l about it, it is very clever. no matter— about it, it is very clever. no matter what happens, in ten years' time. _ matter what happens, in ten years' time. it— matter what happens, in ten years' time. it will— matter what happens, in ten years' time, it will be, there to this story. — time, it will be, there to this story, there is boris's site and the other— story, there is boris's site and the other side — story, there is boris's site and the other side. it is notjust the bart simpson — other side. it is notjust the bart simpson defence, it is very clever, isn't _ simpson defence, it is very clever, isn't it? _ simpson defence, it is very clever,

isn't it? . . simpson defence, it is very clever, isn't it? , ., .. . simpson defence, it is very clever, isn't it?_ he i simpson defence, it is very clever, isn't it?_ he isi isn't it? lets hear from jen. he is a clever and _ isn't it? lets hear from jen. he is a clever and devious _ isn't it? lets hear from jen. he is a clever and devious man. - isn't it? lets hear from jen. he is a clever and devious man. there| isn't it? lets hear from jen. he is i a clever and devious man. there you have it, a clever and devious man. there you have it. that — a clever and devious man. there you have it. that is _ a clever and devious man. there you have it, that is a _ a clever and devious man. there you have it, that is a flavour— a clever and devious man. there you have it, that is a flavour of _ a clever and devious man. there you have it, that is a flavour of some - have it, that is a flavour of some of what the public is thinking and feeling as they call into the nicky campbell show, as we continue to get reaction after this report by the privileges committee that has found that boris johnson privileges committee that has found that borisjohnson deliberately misled parliament. let's continue getting reaction. we are going to speak now to michael fabricant, conservative member of parliament. thank you very much for talking to us. can i start by getting your reaction to this report? it is 30.000 _ reaction to this report? it is 30,000 words, _ reaction to this report? it is 30,000 words, 106 - reaction to this report? it 3 30,000 words, 106 pages, i have only just collected it. i would say that a number of people have said they think it is rather vindictive in its final conclusions. i will notjudge that, actually, untill final conclusions. i will notjudge that, actually, until i have read it in its entirety. that, actually, untili have read it in its entirety.— in its entirety. you have not read it in its entirety, _ in its entirety. you have not read it in its entirety, but _ in its entirety. you have not read it in its entirety, but of _ in its entirety. you have not read

it in its entirety, but of course i it in its entirety, but of course the top line, the end of the matter for this committee is that boris johnson did mislead parliament. yes. look, it is johnson did mislead parliament. yes. look. it is quite _ johnson did mislead parliament. yes. look, it is quite clear— johnson did mislead parliament. yes look, it is quite clear that johnson did mislead parliament. ices look, it is quite clear that he misled parliament. ithink look, it is quite clear that he misled parliament. i think what is not so clear, and i have not read the evidence, is whether or not he knowingly misled parliament. that might sound like a dancing on the head of the needle, but actually it is quite an important point. normally the privileges committee would look at whether someone knowingly tried to mislead parliament. he maintained, of course, that he was getting legal advice that it was legal. i'm not going to argue that now because i have not read the evidence. what i am concerned about is that a number of people have criticised others who have impugned the nature of the privileges committee. what i do want to say is that i was there when borisjohnson to say is that i was there when boris johnson gave to say is that i was there when borisjohnson gave evidence to the committee. that committee stands in a quasi judicial role, like a court

ofjustice, and when borisjohnson was answering questions, i could see members of the committee, not all of them, some of them behaved with great dignity, asjurors them, some of them behaved with great dignity, as jurors would do any court, but some of them were pulling faces, looking skywards, turning their backs on boris johnson. you know, justice does not just have to be done, it has to be seen to be done. the privileges committee are normal mps, or some of them may be abnormal mps, but they are not a cardinal, a court of cardinals. to say, to impugn the integrity of the committee are some terrible thing, as if you're becoming a heretic in the days of roman catholicism in the 15th century i think is just a little bit naive. century i think is 'ust a little bit naive. , ., ., century i think is 'ust a little bit naive. . ., ., .,., naive. just to go back to a point ou naive. just to go back to a point you started _ naive. just to go back to a point you started with, _ naive. just to go back to a point you started with, the _ naive. just to go back to a point| you started with, the committee naive. just to go back to a point - you started with, the committee did find that borisjohnson deliberately misled parliament, which is what

they were looking into, just on that point. but also, as you say, what you witnessed in terms of the committee and their behaviour, one would argue that these mps are doing theirjob within a legal institutional framework and they should be accorded the ability to be able to do that work without being attacked and labelled a kangaroo court and all sorts of other accusations.— court and all sorts of other accusations. . ., , ~ accusations. yes, that is true. but it oes accusations. yes, that is true. but it goes both _ accusations. yes, that is true. but it goes both ways, _ accusations. yes, that is true. but it goes both ways, as _ accusations. yes, that is true. but it goes both ways, as well. - accusations. yes, that is true. but it goes both ways, as well. if - accusations. yes, that is true. but it goes both ways, as well. if they| it goes both ways, as well. if they want to be treated with dignity, then they have to behave with dignity. we already here from the guido fawkes website that at least one of the members of that committee was also partying during lockdown. that is as yet unproven allegation. an unproven allegation but one where there is growing evidence, so we will see about that. i am sure, by the way, that is something that will

not die down either. ijust feel that a little bit of politics has got into this committee's report. you know, ithink got into this committee's report. you know, i think it is not for me tojudge now because i have not read the report, as i have already said, but i know someone on a programme just now that you were rebroadcasting were saying that history will be written by those who write the history, but i actually do believe that historians will say, for all of boris's faults, he did so much, he delivered brexit, and more importantly he saved many lives with the vaccine programme. the death rate in the uk was considerably less, for example, than that in germany. less, for example, than that in germany-— less, for example, than that in german. �* ., germany. are you saying that in li . ht of germany. are you saying that in light of the _ germany. are you saying that in light of the things _ germany. are you saying that in light of the things he _ germany. are you saying that in light of the things he did - germany. are you saying that in light of the things he did the - light of the things he did the right, the things he did not do right, the things he did not do right do not matter? h0. right, the things he did not do right do not matter?— right, the things he did not do right do not matter? no, no, it is a balance. right do not matter? no, no, it is a balance- none _ right do not matter? no, no, it is a balance. none of _ right do not matter? no, no, it is a balance. none of us _ right do not matter? no, no, it is a balance. none of us are _ right do not matter? no, no, it is a balance. none of us are perfect, i right do not matter? no, no, it is al balance. none of us are perfect, not even you, not even me certainly. but there are good and bad in everyone.

my there are good and bad in everyone. my view is that, you know, he was a man, or as a my view is that, you know, he was a man, oras a man my view is that, you know, he was a man, or as a man of great vision. i think my slight concern is that the reason why politics has got into all of this is that people are terrified that he might actually come back to the house of commons and might actually become prime minister again. that is an interesting thing to contemplate. it again. that is an interesting thing to contemplate.— to contemplate. it certainly is. thank you _ to contemplate. it certainly is. thank you for— to contemplate. it certainly is. thank you forjoining - to contemplate. it certainly is. thank you forjoining us. - to contemplate. it certainly is. i thank you forjoining us. michael fabricant, conservative mp and support borisjohnson. you're support boris johnson. you're watching support borisjohnson. you're watching bbc news as we continue to get reaction to this report that has found that borisjohnson deliberately misled parliament. let's go to our chief political correspondent, nick ed leigh. nick, i am sure you have been poring over... i beg your pardon, we are going tojonathan blake, he has been poring over this report. jonathan, what do you have for us?-

poring over this report. jonathan, what do you have for us? some 108 -a . es what do you have for us? some 108 pages long. — what do you have for us? some 108 pages long. as _ what do you have for us? some 108 pages long. as we _ what do you have for us? some 108 pages long, as we have _ what do you have for us? some 108 pages long, as we have been - what do you have for us? some 108. pages long, as we have been saying, 30,000 page, we have some new information. on page 33, .95, under the heading item that other gatherings. new information coming to light reported to the police that as part of the process of gathering evidence for the covid inquiry, the public inquiry looking at the uk's response to the covid pandemic, events at downing street and chequers which may have breached lockdown rules and guidelines in place at the time. these were flagged by government lawyers. as part of that, they were reported to the metropolitan police and thames valley police. the committee has considered some of that evidence. it talks in detail about it here. i will read you what the report says. on the 18th of may, 2023, the garment, without prior notice to us, supplied us with new evidence related to 16 gatherings. that is new, that number, we did not know

how many were being considered as part of this new, not official extension of any investigation into partygate itself, but essentially a broadening of the scope of what happened at number 10 downing street and chequers. this was evidence from boris johnson's and chequers. this was evidence from borisjohnson's diaries and other government documents at the time. the committee says that they were provided by borisjohnson's lawyers with a statement that none of these events referred to any documents constituted breaches of covid regulations and nobody has ever raised concerns. the committee goes on to say, essentially, i am paraphrasing, but they left it at that, they did not want to delay their work any further and so took borisjohnson and his lawyers word for it. but they do say, if evidence comes to light that that was not the case, it could mean that he would be guilty of a further contempt. there are some of the events that the committee has considered. lets talk and a bit of detail, page 61, point

201, a bit of expansion from the committee on why they believe that he was disingenuous, as they put it, in his responses to the investigation and why, in further detail, they have found so severely against him and recommended such a severe sanction. they say, he has misled the house or been disingenuous in his responses to the inquiry. his personal knowledge of breaches of the rules and guidance, combined with his repeated failure to proactively investigate and seek authoritative assurances as to compliance issues out to a deliberate closing of his mind, or at least reckless behaviour. they want to say they find it highly unlikely borisjohnson, having given any reflection to these matters, could have himself have believed that the assertions he made to the house of commons at the time he was making them still less that he could continue to believe them to this day. they go on to say, someone who

has been repeatedly reckless and continues to deny that which is patient is a person whose conduct is sufficient to demonstrate intent. very technical language here, but it is leading up to this, many aspects of mrjohnson's defence are not credible, the committee says. taken together, they form sufficient basis for a conclusion that he intended to mislead. that is crucial, the word intended is crucial. the inquiry is looking into whether borisjohnson misled the house of commons. he accepts he gave misleading statements, but says he believe them to be true at the time. by the committee are very clear, point 202, we conclude that in deliberately misleading the house, borisjohnson committed a serious contempt. in other words, committed a serious contempt. in otherwords, he committed a serious contempt. in other words, he should have known that what he was saying at the time was not true. just to extend that theme, furtherjustification and further detail from the committee as to why they have decided that he

deliberately misled the house. they explain what they considered incoming to thatjudgment. here on page eight, right at the start of the report, borisjohnson repeated and continuing denials of the facts, for example, his refusal to accept that these were insufficient efforts to enforce social distancing... i will skim through these because they are quite detailed. the frequency with which he closed his mind to those facts and to that which was obvious. see, the fact that he sought to rewrite the meaning of the rules and guidance of his own evidence. furthermore, his own after the event rationalisations, for example, the nature and extent of the assurances he received, the words used, the purposes of the assurances, who they came from, the warning he received about that from martin reynolds, his principal private secretary, and his failure to take advice from others whose advice would have been authoritative. his view, they say, but his own fixed penalty notice, that he was baffled as to why he

received it, as instructed. the committee seeking to paint a picture of boris johnson's committee seeking to paint a picture of borisjohnson's evidence which they clearly believe was not credible. coming to the conclusion that some of mrjohnson's denials and explanations, they say here, were so disingenuous that they were by their very nature deliberate attempts to mislead the committee and the house, while others demonstrated deliberation because of the frequency with which he closed his mind to the truth. definitely a lot to get through, thank you for doing it for us, jonathan blake. that a spring in our chief political power swindon, nick eardley. —— let a spring in our chief political correspondent. we have had very strong language from borisjohnson as well. let us step back from all of that. give us some context of what it all means politically.

context of what it all means politically-— context of what it all means politically. context of what it all means oliticall . ~ . . , politically. we expected this report to be damning. _ politically. we expected this report to be damning, to _ politically. we expected this report to be damning, to be _ politically. we expected this report to be damning, to be a _ politically. we expected this report to be damning, to be a really- politically. we expected this report to be damning, to be a really hard| to be damning, to be a really hard read for borisjohnson and for his allies. i think it is more than that. it is far more damning than westminster was expecting. boris johnson was already facing the prospect of a by—election, if he hadn't quit parliament, based on the mistruths the committee thinks he told parliament. but the punishment they wanted to hand out was made worse by the fact he attacked the committee, he came out on friday and said he did not agree with their conclusions and he thought they were all nonsense and that it had been a kangaroo court. reading through this document, it is about as damning as it could have been. there are numerous examples in here where mps, the ones who have been asked to deliver a verdict on borisjohnson, have decided that, basically, he lied to parliament, he did not tell the truth, he ignored facts or went

further than he should have. this is about as bad as it could have been for borisjohnson. he is a politician who has often defied political gravity but reading this this morning it is very hard to see how he could make a return to front line politics. i have been speaking to some of his allies in the past 20 minutes, we had michael fabricant on bbc news suggesting the punishment was excessive. i think that is something you are going to hear from his allies, they will argue the idea of suspending a former prime ministerfor of suspending a former prime minister for 90 of suspending a former prime ministerfor 90 days was of suspending a former prime minister for 90 days was vindictive, that it was going too far, boris johnson has hit out at the committee already and said its conclusions are already and said its conclusions are a lie and they are wrong and a charade. in terms of what this means for borisjohnson's charade. in terms of what this means for boris johnson's future, charade. in terms of what this means for borisjohnson's future, this is about as critical as it could have been. it is very hard to see a way back from. been. it is very hard to see a way back from-—

back from. just in terms of us knowin: back from. just in terms of us knowing now _ back from. just in terms of us knowing now what _ back from. just in terms of us knowing now what boris - back from. just in terms of us knowing now what boris knew back from. just in terms of us - knowing now what boris knew then when he made the decision to resign, what does it look like to you now know we have seen what is in the report? it know we have seen what is in the re ort? . know we have seen what is in the reort? . . , know we have seen what is in the reort? .. ,~ ., , report? it is pretty clear boris johnson jumped _ report? it is pretty clear boris johnson jumped before - report? it is pretty clear boris johnsonjumped before he - report? it is pretty clear boris| johnsonjumped before he was report? it is pretty clear boris - johnson jumped before he was pushed. johnsonjumped before he was pushed. he had seen some interim findings from the committee, a lot of this report having been through most of it has been written after he made his decision to resign as an mp and it is reflecting on some of the comments he made last week. but it is pretty clear from comments he made last week. but it is pretty clearfrom reading comments he made last week. but it is pretty clear from reading the section is about borisjohnson's deliberate misleading of the house of commons, as mps see it, that was enough to trigger a by—election in his seat, had enough of his constituents signed a petition, but i'm fairly certain that would have happened. he would have been fighting for his political future. he has jumped fighting for his political future. he hasjumped before he was pushed, decided to try to take things into his own hands and he is going to try

and burn down the house as he goes, having a considerable pop at the committee and the statements he has made publicly about its findings and about some of the broader things that have gone on with committee members. those pictures you are single borisjohnson out running this morning, one of my colleagues was there shouting questions, worth pointing out borisjohnson has not done any interviews about this, he hasissued done any interviews about this, he has issued a number of statements, made a number of claims, thrown a lot of mud and some of his allies have cast aspersions, but he has not appeared before the cameras to respond to some of the criticisms made in this lengthy report. as of yet, we have not heard from boris johnson other than in written statements.— johnson other than in written statements. , ., ,., statements. interesting to point that out. speaking _ statements. interesting to point that out. speaking of _ statements. interesting to point that out. speaking of the - statements. interesting to point - that out. speaking of the statement, he ends it by saying it is for the people of this country to decide who sits in parliament, not harriet

harman, referring to the chair of the committee. but in that sense, because this obviously has to be approved by parliament, so there was still some discussion to go with the report. in view of that, why did boris decide to resign rather than take what he feels his legitimate claims to parliament and eventually to the people? i claims to parliament and eventually to the people?— to the people? i think that is because he _ to the people? i think that is because he probably - to the people? i think that is because he probably would l to the people? i think that is . because he probably would have to the people? i think that is - because he probably would have lost in parliament anyway. what normally happens with these reports is that they go to a vote of the whole house of commons, expect that to happen on monday, and almost always they are passed fairly unanimously. i don't think that will happen. some of borisjohnson's allies are coordinating this morning, i know teamjohnson is phoning mps trying to say the 90 day suspension hypothetical suspension would be vindictive. i do think there will be some conservatives who refused to

back the report, may speak out publicly on monday to say they don't support the findings. the question is the number. i don't get the sense at the moment there is a groundswell of opinion in the favour of boris johnson. a lot of conservative mps want to see the back of him. i do think the report will be passed in some form. not least because it would be very difficult for the government to tell mps to vote against it. there is precedent for that, owen paterson, borisjohnson did not want his punishment to go through, and it led to all sorts of trouble for the government and accusations of double standards. i think the vote will happen on monday and i think ultimately the report is almost certain to be passed, but i think some conservative mps will be unhappy. the question, how many? you have made quite a lot of things very clear for have made quite a lot of things very clearfor us, thank you, nick have made quite a lot of things very clear for us, thank you, nick adley, chief political correspondent. we

continue to digest this report, it has found borisjohnson continue to digest this report, it has found boris johnson deliberately misled parliament. looking at the live page, reporting on some reactions from radio 5 live listeners, one listeners said the rules and guidance were impossible to follow, we couldn't, why would boris? just one of the views coming in. let us listen to a few more of them. we will tune in again to nikki campbell's show and hear what he is hearing from his listeners. john ma'or hearing from his listeners. john major won _ hearing from his listeners. john major won them _ hearing from his listeners. john major won them the _ hearing from his listeners. jmn major won them the majority hearing from his listeners. jfrn�*u major won them the majority at the next election and the conservatives are looking at the same problem, rishi sunak versus borisjohnson's supporters, for some time to come. fit, supporters, for some time to come. a remarkable amount of goals, strong views, some pro, most against. lauren, northampton, hello. and coming up, we have got freya, peter... what do you think of all of

this? 19, your exams were cancelled. ijust think this? 19, your exams were cancelled. i just think what has happened this? 19, your exams were cancelled. ijust think what has happened as he has got _ ijust think what has happened as he has got what was coming for him in the long _ has got what was coming for him in the long run. obvious when it was coming _ the long run. obvious when it was coming out — the long run. obvious when it was coming out he broke the rules that he would _ coming out he broke the rules that he would get this massive reckoning day almost. i feel like i have a very— day almost. i feel like i have a very different perspective because i was 16— very different perspective because i was 16 when covid started and all of the gcses _ was 16 when covid started and all of the gcses were cancelled, from, everything was suddenly cancelled. it disrupted all of our a—levels as well -- _ it disrupted all of our a—levels as well —— prom. an argument earlier someone _ well —— prom. an argument earlier someone was saying it was about the -ood someone was saying it was about the good of— someone was saying it was about the good of his— someone was saying it was about the good of his teen's mental health, supporting those around him, such a difficult _ supporting those around him, such a difficult time, but as students cut off and _ difficult time, but as students cut off and schools tried the best they could _ off and schools tried the best they could lrut— off and schools tried the best they could but without people saying peoplem — could but without people saying people... you would never know what is going _ people... you would never know what is going on _ people... you would never know what is going on. used to hide behind screens — is going on. used to hide behind screens. all of our a—levels were disrupted —

screens. all of our a—levels were disrupted. it had a knock—on effect on nry— disrupted. it had a knock—on effect on my younger brother and all sorts. it has _ on my younger brother and all sorts. it has been _ on my younger brother and all sorts. it has been terrible. i really do feel he — it has been terrible. i really do feel he has got what was coming for him and _ feel he has got what was coming for him and this is not going to be the end but— him and this is not going to be the end but it — him and this is not going to be the end but it is — him and this is not going to be the end but it is certainly going to put on his— end but it is certainly going to put on his career and standing. what were your _ on his career and standing. what were your knock-on _ on his career and standing. what were your knock-on effects - on his career and standing. bingsgt were your knock—on effects for your younger brother customers will resonate. many people of your generation. resonate. many people of your generation-— resonate. many people of your reneration. , . , , ., generation. gcses next year, coming home with content _ generation. gcses next year, coming home with content he _ generation. gcses next year, coming home with content he will _ generation. gcses next year, coming home with content he will not - home with content he will not understand fully because he missed out on _ understand fully because he missed out on so _ understand fully because he missed out on so much learning especially in 2020 _ out on so much learning especially in 2020 when our school was not fully prepared and they did not have the resources or capabilities to be able to— the resources or capabilities to be able to put— the resources or capabilities to be able to put together an online programme super quickly and quite an underprivileged area and state school — underprivileged area and state school and there was not a big russian — school and there was not a big russian technology so it was very difficult _ russian technology so it was very difficult -- — russian technology so it was very difficult —— big rush on technology. when _ difficult —— big rush on technology. when he _ difficult —— big rush on technology. when he started home learning, we did not— when he started home learning, we did not have access to teams, zoom,

it was— did not have access to teams, zoom, it was paper— did not have access to teams, zoom, it was paperand did not have access to teams, zoom, it was paper and pen and sitting down _ it was paper and pen and sitting down to— it was paper and pen and sitting down to learn with our mother. he is trying _ down to learn with our mother. he is trying to— down to learn with our mother. he is trying to learn poems and must, like i did for— trying to learn poems and must, like i did for nry— trying to learn poems and must, like i did for my gcse that were cancelled, now he is trying to do it, cancelled, now he is trying to do it. but— cancelled, now he is trying to do it. but from _ cancelled, now he is trying to do it, but from his limited knowledge from _ it, but from his limited knowledge from what — it, but from his limited knowledge from what he has tried to learn on his own _ from what he has tried to learn on his own essentially —— maths. from what he has tried to learn on his own essentially -- maths. thank ou. his own essentially -- maths. thank you- peter — his own essentially -- maths. thank you- peter in — his own essentially -- maths. thank you. peter in north-west— his own essentially -- maths. thank you. peter in north-west london, i you. peter in north—west london, hello. you. peter in north-west london, hello. ., . ., ., you. peter in north-west london, hello. ., . ., hello. hello, nicky. what do you think of him? — hello. hello, nicky. what do you think of him? never— hello. hello, nicky. what do you think of him? never fit - hello. hello, nicky. what do you think of him? never fit to - hello. hello, nicky. what do you think of him? never fit to be i hello. hello, nicky. what do you think of him? never fit to be an | hello. hello, nicky. what do you i think of him? never fit to be an npa think of him? neverfit to be an npa democrat prime minister. i was in hospitalfor democrat prime minister. i was in hospital for the democrat prime minister. i was in hospitalfor the first democrat prime minister. i was in hospital for the first three months from october to january, 2020 to 21, in intensive care —— neverfit to be a prime minister. medical staff were wonderful and chatting to them they could not have get—togethers for christmas, they were in full ppe, spaces, and with his supporters, like the emperor's new clothes, they cannot see him for what he is and

they keep saying the public are with him but plain to see they are not. when you hear the supporters, those who very much love him and think he should return and think if he was still prime minister things would be very different, how when you hear one of those people on the radio because we hear them a lot? i think a lot of them _ because we hear them a lot? i think a lot of them are _ because we hear them a lot? i think a lot of them are deluded, - because we hear them a lot? i think a lot of them are deluded, i - because we hear them a lot? i think a lot of them are deluded, i am - a lot of them are deluded, i am afraid. very trumpian, the parallels are absolutely amazing. seems to be the culture now. with populism. their minds will not be changed probably. it is like the emperor's new clothes, like i said, they cannot see it, and the other people can. ., ~' cannot see it, and the other people can. ., ~ , ., cannot see it, and the other people can. ., ~ i. ,~ . can. thank you. freya in lichfield, aood can. thank you. freya in lichfield, good morning- — can. thank you. freya in lichfield, good morning. are _ can. thank you. freya in lichfield, good morning. are you _ can. thank you. freya in lichfield, good morning. are you with - can. thank you. freya in lichfield, good morning. are you with most| good morning. are you with most people this morning or one of the people this morning or one of the people who is defending him? i am

with most people. _ people who is defending him? i am with most people. i— people who is defending him? i am with most people. i have to say, i am utterly, — with most people. i have to say, i am utterly, utterly appalled. i cannot— am utterly, utterly appalled. i cannot believe how this has played out. totally disgraceful. unfortunately for me, my mp is michael— unfortunately for me, my mp is michael fabricant and he has been on the airwaves and the news this morning — the airwaves and the news this morning defending borisjohnson who is a liar— morning defending borisjohnson who is a liar and _ morning defending borisjohnson who is a liar and it baffles me how michael— is a liar and it baffles me how michael fabricant who has been made a sir somehow can go out and defend this report. _ a sir somehow can go out and defend this report, absolutely apparent, i have to _ this report, absolutely apparent, i have to say, i cannot believe it. what _ have to say, i cannot believe it. what do — have to say, i cannot believe it. what do you think about boris johnson's pugnacious response, saying the report is arranged? as you are talking, i am listening intently to you, but i am attempting tojuggle as intently to you, but i am attempting to juggle as well and still reading some of his letter. we did not believe what we were doing was wrong. after a year of work, the

privileges committee has found not a shred of evidence we did. their argument can be pulled down to look at this picture, borisjohnson with at this picture, borisjohnson with a glass in his hand, he lied... complete tribe, me in my place of work trying to encourage and thank my officials in a way i believe was crucial for the country in a way i believe to be wholly within the rules. . . , ., , believe to be wholly within the rules. n. , , , rules. absolutely disgraceful. he is elected to serve _ rules. absolutely disgraceful. he is elected to serve as _ rules. absolutely disgraceful. he is elected to serve as and _ rules. absolutely disgraceful. he is elected to serve as and he - rules. absolutely disgraceful. he is elected to serve as and he has - rules. absolutely disgraceful. he is l elected to serve as and he has shown complete _ elected to serve as and he has shown complete contempt for parliament. he is showing _ complete contempt for parliament. he is showing complete disrespect for everyone _ is showing complete disrespect for everyone who ever voted for him and all of— everyone who ever voted for him and all of the _ everyone who ever voted for him and all of the people who would not vote for him _ all of the people who would not vote for him as— all of the people who would not vote for him as well. i had to work in the nhs — for him as well. i had to work in the nhs in _ for him as well. i had to work in the nhs in the pandemic and so did my husband, we didn't have drinks in the staff— my husband, we didn't have drinks in the staff room in the us for our service — the staff room in the us for our service for— the staff room in the us for our service for helping people who were in hospital— service for helping people who were in hospital dying of covid. we had family— in hospital dying of covid. we had family funerals we could not attend. we could _ family funerals we could not attend. we could not have drinks and hugs with them — we could not have drinks and hugs with them. disgraceful. one thing i

have to _ with them. disgraceful. one thing i have to say, rishi sunak, where is he in _ have to say, rishi sunak, where is he in all— have to say, rishi sunak, where is he in all of— have to say, rishi sunak, where is he in all of this? he has been completely weak. he has not been able to— completely weak. he has not been able to stand up for the vested interests — able to stand up for the vested interests of his own party let alone the people who he is meant to serve in this— the people who he is meant to serve in this country. the people who he is meant to serve in this country-— the people who he is meant to serve in this country.- time - the people who he is meant to serve in this country.- time for- in this country. freya... time for him to step _ in this country. freya... time for him to step aside _ in this country. freya... time for him to step aside and _ in this country. freya... time for him to step aside and call - in this country. freya... time for him to step aside and call a - in this country. freya... time for. him to step aside and call a general election _ him to step aside and call a general election. the conservative party have _ election. the conservative party have been— election. the conservative party have been completely divided now. we. shall see have been completely divided now. , shall see how that plays out. i would like you to stay and listen to rosie in belfast. faye, i will be with you. talking specifically about the rules. you are all on my list. rosie, what would you like to say? you heard freya, very strong stuff. sticking to the rules. it you heard freya, very strong stuff. sticking to the rules.— sticking to the rules. it is. boris johnson broke _ sticking to the rules. it is. boris johnson broke the _ sticking to the rules. it is. boris johnson broke the rules, - sticking to the rules. it is. boris i johnson broke the rules, everyone knows it, i agree the partygate report is nonsense. it is done by

mps. they all broke the rules, all of them. all of them misled parliament. rishi sunak, they were all at the parties. why is it all in borisjohnson? all at the parties. why is it all in boris johnson?— all at the parties. why is it all in boris johnson? all at the parties. why is it all in borisjohnson? ., ., boris johnson? freya, do you want to come back on — boris johnson? freya, do you want to come back on that? _ boris johnson? freya, do you want to come back on that? boris _ boris johnson? freya, do you want to come back on that? boris johnson i come back on that? boris johnson made the rules. _ come back on that? boris johnson made the rules. it _ come back on that? boris johnson made the rules. it does _ come back on that? boris johnson made the rules. it does not - come back on that? boris johnson | made the rules. it does not matter how many— made the rules. it does not matter how many people... made the rules. it does not matter how many people. . ._ made the rules. it does not matter how many people... they all made the rules. he how many people... they all made the rules- he was — how many people... they all made the rules. he was in _ how many people... they all made the rules. he was in charge _ how many people... they all made the rules. he was in charge at _ how many people... they all made the rules. he was in charge at the - how many people... they all made the rules. he was in charge at the time. i rules. he was in charge at the time. he was our— rules. he was in charge at the time. he was our representative - rules. he was in charge at the time. he was our representative through i he was our representative through covid _ he was our representative through covid whether you voted for him or not, leading the way, the person who was meant _ not, leading the way, the person who was meant to be steering us through the pandemic, saving lives, getting the pandemic, saving lives, getting the vaccine, when actually what he did was— the vaccine, when actually what he did was he — the vaccine, when actually what he did was he completely disrespected all of those rules, he lied to the people — all of those rules, he lied to the people he — all of those rules, he lied to the people he was meant to be representing and he had absolutely... he thought he was above _ absolutely... he thought he was above the — absolutely... he thought he was above the law, he did not care all of the _ above the law, he did not care all of the people who lost loved ones,

all of— of the people who lost loved ones, all of the _ of the people who lost loved ones, all of the people... he was disrespectful to all of them and a liar. ~ ., disrespectful to all of them and a liar. . ., ., disrespectful to all of them and a liar. ~ .. ., ,., disrespectful to all of them and a liar. ~ .. ., . liar. what about your current prime minister? he _ liar. what about your current prime minister? he was _ liar. what about your current prime minister? he was fined. _ liar. what about your current prime minister? he was fined. i— liar. what about your current prime minister? he was fined. i don't - liar. what about your current prime minister? he was fined. i don't likej minister? he was fined. i don't like him either- — minister? he was fined. i don't like him either. he _ minister? he was fined. i don't like him either. he has _ minister? he was fined. i don't like him either. he has been _ minister? he was fined. i don't like him either. he has been weak - minister? he was fined. i don't like him either. he has been weak on i minister? he was fined. i don't like i him either. he has been weak on the subject _ him either. he has been weak on the subject he _ him either. he has been weak on the subject. he has not stood up to boris _ subject. he has not stood up to borisjohnson. he has not put together— borisjohnson. he has not put together the conservative party. he has been _ together the conservative party. he has been completely useless as well. how can— has been completely useless as well. how can you say the partygate inquiry... borisjohnson... rishi inquiry... boris johnson. .. rishi sunak inquiry... borisjohnson... rishi sunak did the same thing and now he is sitting as prime minister. i don't believe he should be. i agree with you _ don't believe he should be. i agree with you it— don't believe he should be. i agree with you. it is ridiculous. no, don't believe he should be. i agree with you. it is ridiculous.— with you. it is ridiculous. no, he shouldn't— with you. it is ridiculous. no, he shouldn't be. _ with you. it is ridiculous. no, he shouldn't be. it _ with you. it is ridiculous. no, he shouldn't be. it is _ with you. it is ridiculous. no, he shouldn't be. it is ridiculous. i with you. it is ridiculous. no, he i shouldn't be. it is ridiculous. they shouldn't be. it is ridiculous. they should all be out, call a general election, rishi sunak is not elected by the british people, nobody wants him there. i by the british people, nobody wants him there. _, , , by the british people, nobody wants him there. u, , , ., him there. i completely agree with ou there. him there. i completely agree with you there- let _ him there. i completely agree with

you there. let me _ him there. i completely agree with you there. let me ask— him there. i completely agree with you there. let me ask you - him there. i completely agree with you there. let me ask you a - you there. let me ask you a question. — you there. let me ask you a question, rosie, _ you there. let me ask you a question, rosie, as- you there. let me ask you a question, rosie, as regards| you there. let me ask you a - question, rosie, as regards boris johnson, do you think he believed the rules had not been broken? h0. johnson, do you think he believed the rules had not been broken? ida. i the rules had not been broken? no, i don't think he — the rules had not been broken? no, i don't think he believed... _ the rules had not been broken? no, i don't think he believed... i _ the rules had not been broken? ijr, i don't think he believed... i think he knew, i think he tried to talk his way out of it. but i think putting him in front of a committee of mps, all backing each other, all have an alternative agenda... he tried to talk his way out of it and he is the prime minister and told us what to do, do as i say, not as i do. i what to do, do as i say, not as i do. ., what to do, do as i say, not as i do. .. ., what to do, do as i say, not as i do. ., ., , , do. i am not saying it is right. left and where _ do. i am not saying it is right. left and where he _ do. i am not saying it is right. left and where he was - do. i am not saying it is right. left and where he was and i do. i am not saying it is right. - left and where he was and punished him while he was in hisjob for what he had done wrong, then we wouldn't be where we are now.— be where we are now. thank you very much. i be where we are now. thank you very much- i meant— be where we are now. thank you very much. i meant to _ be where we are now. thank you very much. i meant to continue _ be where we are now. thank you very much. i meant to continue a - be where we are now. thank you very much. i meant to continue a few- much. i meant to continue a few months ago, my apologies for keeping you waiting. good morning. it’s months ago, my apologies for keeping you waiting. good morning.— you waiting. good morning. it's ok, nic . all you waiting. good morning. it's ok, nicky- all of— you waiting. good morning. it's ok, nicky. all of this, — you waiting. good morning. it's ok, nicky. all of this, all _ you waiting. good morning. it's ok, nicky. all of this, all of _ you waiting. good morning. it's ok, nicky. all of this, all of this. -

you waiting. good morning. it's ok, nicky. all of this, all of this. i - nicky. all of this, all of this. i was 'ust nicky. all of this, all of this. i wasjust wondering, - nicky. all of this, all of this. i was just wondering, if - nicky. all of this, all of this. i was just wondering, if the i nicky. all of this, all of this. i - was just wondering, if the committee has found _ was just wondering, if the committee has found borisjohnson, would have been suspended for 90 days and withdrawn his pass, should he ever be elected — withdrawn his pass, should he ever be elected as an mp or ever be considered for the house of lords? the second — considered for the house of lords? the second question is, i have found him as— the second question is, i have found him as a _ the second question is, i have found him as a serial liar, whatever they said, _ him as a serial liar, whatever they said. they— him as a serial liar, whatever they said, they are supposed to be members _ said, they are supposed to be members of the privy council, x members. — members of the privy council, x members, and referred to as right honourable, should he be right honourable? laughter you are amusing yourself. and possibly many others. do you think the prospect of lord johnson of

wherever is kai bushed? lard the prospect of lord johnson of wherever is kai bushed? lord johnson of fantasyland- _ wherever is kai bushed? lord johnson of fantasyland. probably. _ wherever is kai bushed? lord johnson of fantasyland. probably. a _ wherever is kai bushed? lord johnson of fantasyland. probably. a member | of fantasyland. probably. a member of fantasyland. probably. a member of fa ntasyland. of fantasyland. probably. a member of fantasyland. i used to be a member of the general medical council and i know all of the doctors, good medical practice... given a booklet of how to become a good members practice whatever that is, i wonder whether there should be something. in the past, considered the general medical council works for the doctors, they now have got tribunal is, at arms length, which is independent, with one dr member,

one layperson, a qualified solicitor or lawyer. to one layperson, a qualified solicitor or la er. ., . ., one layperson, a qualified solicitor orla er. ., . or lawyer. to cut to the chase, you think he should _ or lawyer. to cut to the chase, you think he should be _ or lawyer. to cut to the chase, you think he should be struck - or lawyer. to cut to the chase, you think he should be struck off? - or lawyer. to cut to the chase, you j think he should be struck off? that is what i am _ think he should be struck off? that is what i am asking. _ think he should be struck off? that is what i am asking. he _ think he should be struck off? that is what i am asking. he will - think he should be struck off? that is what i am asking. he will not i think he should be struck off? that is what i am asking. he will not be | is what i am asking. he will not be struck off the _ is what i am asking. he will not be struck off the list _ is what i am asking. he will not be struck off the list of _ is what i am asking. he will not be struck off the list of people - struck off the list of people appearing in conference centres in chicago for a quarter of £1 million telling others about the world as they see it. macia, in... are you still with us, faye? i they see it. macia, in... are you still with us, faye?— still with us, faye? i am still here. macia, _ still with us, faye? i am still here. macia, you _ still with us, faye? i am still here. macia, you don't- still with us, faye? i am still here. macia, you don't think| still with us, faye? i am still. here. macia, you don't think he still with us, faye? i am still- here. macia, you don't think he has been treated _ here. macia, you don't think he has been treated well? _ here. macia, you don't think he has been treated well? no, _ here. macia, you don't think he has been treated well? no, i _ here. macia, you don't think he has been treated well? no, i don't - here. macia, you don't think he has| been treated well? no, i don't think he has been — been treated well? no, i don't think he has been treated _ been treated well? no, i don't think he has been treated fairly. - been treated well? no, i don't think he has been treated fairly. i - been treated well? no, i don't think he has been treated fairly. i can - he has been treated fairly. i can understand and appreciate from a professional capacity there are certain— professional capacity there are certain things that are expected. what _ certain things that are expected. what people fail to understand, no one has— what people fail to understand, no one has ever considered areas where we were _ one has ever considered areas where we were in— one has ever considered areas where we were in an area where it was a

pandemic, — we were in an area where it was a pandemic, no one understood covid, no one _ pandemic, no one understood covid, no one understood the dynamics of it, no one understood the dynamics of it. except _ no one understood the dynamics of it, except for the experts who give you advice — it, except for the experts who give you advice and say, you know, do this, _ you advice and say, you know, do this, do— you advice and say, you know, do this, do that— you advice and say, you know, do this, do that sort of thing. the prime — this, do that sort of thing. the prime minister and his executives, they were — prime minister and his executives, they were in the heart of this issue. — they were in the heart of this issue, trying to save lives. during that process. and i believe that i think— that process. and i believe that i think they— that process. and i believe that i think they have been hard put in by -- hard _ think they have been hard put in by -- hard done — think they have been hard put in by —— hard done by and borisjohnson is the only— —— hard done by and borisjohnson is the only onem — —— hard done by and borisjohnson is the only one... everything is on his shoulder~ _ the only one... everything is on his shoulder~ he — the only one... everything is on his shoulder. ,., , the only one... everything is on his shoulder. .., , , the only one... everything is on his shoulder. , ., ., shoulder. he did say in his original statement. _ shoulder. he did say in his original statement, he _ shoulder. he did say in his original statement, he takes _ shoulder. he did say in his original statement, he takes full _ statement, he takes full responsibility for everything... iie responsibility for everything... he did. but when you have people, members— did. but when you have people, members of parliament, talking about integritym _ integrity... studio: you are watching bbc integrity... — studio: you are watching bbc news, i am going through the detail of the report from the privileges committee of the house of commons which has been published in the last couple of hours, detailing significant

findings against borisjohnson, former prime minister, found two on several occasions have misled the house of commons. page 79 of the lengthy report here, it runs to more than 100 pages, 30,000 words, detailing the findings against boris johnson, at this point, the committee deals with the issue of punishment, sanctions, as they call it. in doing that, they sum up their final conclusions, as a justification as to why they have handed the sanction to borisjohnson which they have, as we have been talking about, 90 day suspension from the house of commons, severe punishment, one that is effectively null and void because borisjohnson has resigned as an mp. in anticipation of the findings of this report. but let us look at what the committee says to justify this. although mrjohnson resignation renders it impossible for a sanction of suspension, which are previously

agreed suspension on enough to engage the provisions of the recall of mps act, technical language to demonstrate it would have been more than ten days triggering a mechanism that could see borisjohnson's constituents trigger a by—election and possibly unseat him as an mp, in light of this, they say, further contempt, if he had not resigned, we would have recommended he be suspended from the service of the house for 90 days for repeated contempts and seeking to undermine the parliamentary process, they summarise the main findings, deliberately misleading the house, deliberately misleading the house, deliberately misleading the house, deliberately misleading the committee, breaching confidence, impugning the committee and thereby undermining the democratic process of the house, being complicit they say in a campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation of the committee. they finish by saying, in view of that, mrjohnson is no longer a member, we recommend he should not be granted a former

members pass, effectively barring borisjohnson from members pass, effectively barring boris johnson from the houses members pass, effectively barring borisjohnson from the houses of parliament for the rest of his life. that is as we have been hearing certainly at the upper end of expectations in terms of what the committee was going to recommend as potential punishment for boris johnson and it has been met with some criticism from his supporters. let us have a look at a couple of points in detail. this final one, being complicit in the campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation of the committee. here they are talking in some detail, if we look at page 66 of the report, about boris johnson's attitude to the investigation as a whole and that of other mps on the conduct of which the committee referred to but do not mention by name. here they say paragraph 221i, notwithstanding boris johnson protestations of respect for the committee and his earlier deprecation of language, such as kangaroo court, which aren't, we

note in his statement of the 9th of june, borisjohnson used precisely the abusive terms as the committee puts it to describe the committee —— witchhunt. he was insincere in his attempts to distance himself from the campaign of abuse and intimidation of committing members which in our view constitutes a further significant contempt. not only did borisjohnson deliberately mislead the house of commons with his assertions no rules were broken in the pandemic in downing street, the committee says, but also his conduct towards the investigation, he has fallen further in contempt of parliament as far as the committee is concerned. furthermore here they go into detail about each of the committee members being appointed to the committee by the house without division, effectively unanimously, and they were instructed to carry out the inquiry without a vote

against. the committee putting on record the authority it believes it has acting on behalf of the house of commons as a whole to investigate borisjohnson cosmic behaviour. from the outset, they say, has been a sustained attempt seemingly coordinated to undermine the committee's credibility and more worryingly that of member serving on it. the committee is concerned if the behaviours go unchallenged it will be impossible for the house to establish such a committee for sensitive inquiries in the future and there must be a committee to defend the rights and privileges of the house. it must protect members of the house doing their duty from formal or informal attack. they say they will be conducting a special report separately to the house to deal with the matters. a reflection of how seriously the committee has taken the matter of the and attempts to undermine its work when it has gone about attempting to establish whether boris johnson

gone about attempting to establish whether borisjohnson did indeed mislead the house of commons in his statements to mps —— of abuse and attempts to undermine. with some conference of evidence, that it has compiled, essentially amounting to the fact it simply has found boris johnson did not or did believe... didn't believe what he was saying was true when he spoke to mps. thank you very much for going through those lines in the report for us. we havejust been hearing, of course, from people responding to this report. we have been hearing from listeners on the nicky campbell show. one of the things supporters are borisjohnson keep saying is that this is a witch hunt, he has been handed out. what is there in this report that speaks to that

particular allegation of how the