for all of us. how do mps view this? it's anonymity there, or as a division as well?— it's anonymity there, or as a division as well? there is a lot of division as well? there is a lot of division amongst _ division as well? there is a lot of division amongst the _ division as well? there is a lot ofl division amongst the conservative party. the conservative party is essentially a circular firing squad right now. there is so much division. i actually do feel quite sorry for rishi sunak, who is trying to get the party back together. he is trying to get on with the job of governing this country. my goodness, we need some proper governance after the clown show we have had the last 18 months or so in this country. i think that there is going to be a lot of division. i think conservative mps will also remember why they had no confidence in boris johnson. this will happen about a year ago, johnson. this will happen about a yearago, he johnson. this will happen about a year ago, he serially manipulated the rules, it was scandal after scandal, there was the owen paterson affair, the dreadful partygate stuff, and let's not forget, chris pincher, he lied over that, trying

to manipulate the rules. it was conservative mps bringing down boris johnson. they could see the writing on the wall, particularly when it came to their own electoral fortunes. look, conservative mps will have to do what is right in terms of their conscience, but i think, a lot of them will look at the state of the polls, they will look at where the public sees a borisjohnson, the lying, the rule breaking, narcissism, the laziness, the wrecking of this country, and i think... we will have to see what happens, but i think a lot of them will also be thinking about their own political futures. will also be thinking about their own politicalfutures. i think will also be thinking about their own political futures. i think as well, there are many conservatives who do want to do the right thing. there are many conservatives who are very queasy about what their party has become because of borisjohnson. they are conservatives because they want to do the right thing for the country, they have a particular political philosophy about how the

country is one. that of course is different from somebody who is a labour supporter, different from somebody who is a laboursupporter, but different from somebody who is a labour supporter, but these people will also think, you should be telling the truth, you should govern with integrity, that is standard in public life. they stand matter. i think most people will go with their conscience and do the right thing. thank you for giving us your thoughts, thank you for making time to speak with us. that was the former labour party adviser. thank you for your time. we continue to bet more reaction to this report. let him now from michael fabricant, conservative mp and supporter of borisjohnson. i conservative mp and supporter of borisjohnson-_ boris johnson. i would say that numbers of— boris johnson. i would say that numbers of people _ boris johnson. i would say that numbers of people have - boris johnson. i would say that numbers of people have said i boris johnson. i would say that i numbers of people have said that they think it is rather vindictive in its final conclusions. i won't judge that, actually, until i have read it in its entirety. 50. judge that, actually, untili have read it in its entirety.— read it in its entirety. so, you have not _ read it in its entirety. so, you have not read _ read it in its entirety. so, you have not read it _ read it in its entirety. so, you have not read it in _ read it in its entirety. so, you have not read it in its - read it in its entirety. so, you | have not read it in its entirety, but of course, the top line, the end of the matter for this committee, is

that boris johnson of the matter for this committee, is that borisjohnson did mislead parliament. that boris johnson did mislead parliament.— that boris johnson did mislead parliament. , , . ., parliament. yes. it is quite clear that he misled _ parliament. yes. it is quite clear that he misled parliament. - parliament. yes. it is quite clear that he misled parliament. i- parliament. yes. it is quite clear. that he misled parliament. i think what is not so clear, and i haven't read the evidence, is whether or not he knowingly misled parliament. now, that might sound like dancing on the head of a needle, but actually, it is quite an important point. normally, the privileges committee would look at whether someone knowingly tried to mislead parliament. he maintained, of course, that he was getting legal advice, it was legal. i will not argue about that, now. i have not read the evidence. what i am concerned about is that a number of people have criticised others who have impugned the nature of the privileges committee. what i do want to say is that i was there when borisjohnson to say is that i was there when boris johnson gave to say is that i was there when borisjohnson gave evidence the committee. that committee stands in a quasi judicial role like a court ofjustice. when borisjohnson was

answering questions, i could see members of the committee, nothing of them, some of them behaved with great dignity, asjurors them, some of them behaved with great dignity, as jurors would do them, some of them behaved with great dignity, asjurors would do in a court, but some of them are faces, looking skyward, turning their backs onjohnson. you know, justice does notjust have onjohnson. you know, justice does not just have to onjohnson. you know, justice does notjust have to be done, it has to be seen to be done. the privileges committee, they are normal mps, or may be abnormal mps, but they are not a court of cardinals. to say, well to impugn the integrity of the committee are some terrible thing, as if you are becoming a heretic in the days of roman catholicism, in the days of roman catholicism, in the 15th century... i think it is a little bit naive. to the 15th century... i think it is a little bit naive.— little bit naive. to go back to a oint little bit naive. to go back to a point you _ little bit naive. to go back to a point you started _ little bit naive. to go back to a point you started with. - little bit naive. to go back to a point you started with. the - point you started with. the committee did find that boris johnson deliberately misled parliament. that is what they were looking into, just on that point. as you say here, what he witnessed in

terms of the committee and their behaviour... when would argue that, well, these mps are doing theirjob within a legal institutional framework. and, they should be accorded the ability to be able to do that without being attacked and labelled a kangaroo court, and all sorts of other accusations. that is true. but sorts of other accusations. that is true- but it _ sorts of other accusations. that is true. but it goes _ sorts of other accusations. that is true. but it goes both _ sorts of other accusations. that is true. but it goes both ways. - sorts of other accusations. that is true. but it goes both ways. of. true. but it goes both ways. of course. if they want to be treated with dignity, then they have to behave with dignity. we already here that at least one of the members of that at least one of the members of that committee was also partying during lockdown. pm that committee was also partying during lockdown.— during lockdown. an unproven allegation- — during lockdown. an unproven allegation. an _ during lockdown. an unproven allegation. an unproven - during lockdown. an unproven - allegation. an unproven allegation, but where there _ allegation. an unproven allegation, but where there is _ allegation. an unproven allegation, but where there is growing - allegation. an unproven allegation, l but where there is growing evidence. studio: so, there you have some more

reaction coming from michael fabricant, supporter of boris johnson. let's take a step back now and take in some of the bigger picture of this with our political correspondent. thank you very much for coming out here to help us distill some of what we have been through. we have heard so much reaction. i think it is worth muddling through and seeing where it all gets us too. particularly, if we can start with the question of what is happening within the tory party as a result of this. we had one mp suggesting this could cause a civil war. it suggesting this could cause a civil war. , ., y suggesting this could cause a civil war. , ., , ., , suggesting this could cause a civil war. ,., i”, ., suggesting this could cause a civil war. ,., ., ., war. it is lovely to be down at the old college _ war. it is lovely to be down at the old college green. _ war. it is lovely to be down at the old college green. i _ war. it is lovely to be down at the old college green. i was - war. it is lovely to be down at the old college green. i was at - war. it is lovely to be down at the old college green. i was at the i war. it is lovely to be down at the i old college green. i was at the bbc headquarters, it is great to be here. you have been doing all of the big interviews. to reflect back on that, when you think of the interviews you have been doing with conservatives on both sides of the argument, the big question it seems comes up first of all is, are we going to see some kind of civil war in the governing conservative party

between those who still remain loyal to borisjohnson, we have had some of them, and those who are loyal to the now current prime minister, rishi sunak. i do not know the answer that question, but i think it is the key question in the coming days. no doubt, we will get a sense of it when parliament debates its report next monday. rishi sunak will be hoping that even if there are people in the party who are very sore, and think borisjohnson has been hard done by, in the end, there will not be a mutiny, it will fizzle out over the next few days. i was struck reading what he said in your blog... it struck reading what he said in your bloc . .. ., , struck reading what he said in your blo.,__ struck reading what he said in your bloc... ., blog... it was about how we journalists _ blog... it was about how we journalists cover _ blog... it was about how we journalists cover this - blog... it was about how we journalists cover this story. | blog... it was about how we | journalists cover this story. it blog... it was about how we - journalists cover this story. it was something that we had talked about in a interview one moment to about false equivalence. how do you accurately and truthfully betray the fact that there are some people who still support borisjohnson, and still support boris johnson, and there still support borisjohnson, and there are others who don't. how do

you get into the nuance of that situation. a, , , you get into the nuance of that situation. n, , , , ., situation. maybe this will be a cowardly thing _ situation. maybe this will be a cowardly thing to _ situation. maybe this will be a cowardly thing to say, - situation. maybe this will be a cowardly thing to say, i - situation. maybe this will be a cowardly thing to say, i throw| situation. maybe this will be a l cowardly thing to say, i throw it over to our viewers, what do they think? to sort of get the basics, and what you are driving at, you are dealing with two narratives here, right, so on one hand, the boris johnson narrative. that is, it is a stitch up, he is a victim of a witchhunt, the committee has not been fair to him, he is the victim, and some of it is to do with conspiracy of people who do not like brexit, that is one hand. on the other hand, is a view that in the end, the evidence tends to suggest that he is entirely the author of his own downfall, both in terms of his own downfall, both in terms of his personality, personal decisions, and in terms of the policies that he has pursued now. should journalists call that out? there is a really powerful polarising debate out

there. from this report, if we come back to where we started, this report does call it, and it says, in that debate between thejohnson narrative and thejohnson as the author of his own troubles, they have come down very strongly on the second, saying, we have the evidence to back that up. second, saying, we have the evidence to back that up-_ second, saying, we have the evidence to back that lip-— to back that up. boris johnson and his supporters _ to back that up. boris johnson and his supporters call _ to back that up. boris johnson and his supporters call committee - to back that up. boris johnson and his supporters call committee and | his supporters call committee and say, well, one of your members as being hypocritical. we have this back and forth. i being hypocritical. we have this back and forth.— being hypocritical. we have this back and forth. i guess there is a different issue _ back and forth. i guess there is a different issue here _ back and forth. i guess there is a different issue here about - different issue here about journalism. to talk about the electorate, first, i think it was all was going to be the case that you are going to have to responses to this report. you are going to have those... it is important to state this, there is a very large minority of people in this country who still think an old boris. their reaction to this report was always going to be, well, it is a stitch up. who cares, it is a stitch up, they are out to get him. then there is a chunk of the population, a larger chunk, which is thinking, how did ever think that the sky was fit

for high office? how did the conservative party ever going him as leader? and, well the country ever recover from what has been done to our institutions? obviously, journalism is in the business of rewarding those two positions, which are just so incredibly diverting. just as they are in the united states, where people who don't like trump look at the people who support him and say, how could they? it is fascinating — him and say, how could they? it is fascinating to _ him and say, how could they? it is fascinating to discuss this with you, rob watson. thank you. we will have much more with you here from couege have much more with you here from college green. for now though, i will hand you back. studio: thank you very much. i want to bring you some other reactions that we have had coming into the publication of the report, particularly from the covid—i9 bereaved families forjustice uk group. a lot of what we have been discussing today has been about those parties in downing street during lockdown. the spokesman for

the group has issued a statement saying: it is another grim reminder of how the former prime minister broke his own rules so that he could have a party and a laugh. he goes on to say: as families, they were saying goodbye to families over soon. he told as lies to our faces when he told us to protect our loved ones, when he lied again saying that rules are not been raking in number ten, and he lied again when he denied it again and again. he goes on to say: it is a tragedy that mr johnson was in charge when the pandemic struck. he should never be allowed to stand for any form of public office again. that was a statement by the covid—i9 bereaved families forjustice group. lots of reaction coming in. more political reaction. i want to give you a tweet from ed davey, the liberal democrat

leader. ebay said, borisjohnson is a liar and lawbreaker, he has treated the public with utter disdain, and also conservatives fight amongst themselves, the country suffers. he goes on to say, people are fed up. rishi sunak should call a general election and give the people a chance to end this charade. that from ed davey the liberal democrat leader. ijust want also bringing some reaction from a very big borisjohnson supporter, she has tweeted, the report is overreached and revealed its predetermined just intentions. she says it is bizarre. harriet harman declared her position before the report began. bernard jenkins, the most senior member on the committee actually had a party himself. we have not heard about those allegations from him himself, but she goes on to say, any conservative mp who should vote for this report is fundamentally not a conservative and will be held to account by

members and the public. she adds, deselection may follow. it is serious. mps will now have to show the committee what we are just as look like, and how it is done, because of course, what happens now is mps get to vote on the recommendations from the report. if you are just recommendations from the report. if you arejustjoining us, the recommendation from the committee is that boris johnson recommendation from the committee is that borisjohnson should be suspended for 90 days, he of course has already resigned as an mp, but if he was, that would be the sanction they are recommending. that now goes to a committee of the whole house, the house of commons will vote on this. they will do that on monday. it is going to be a free vote, which means that they will be veritable, it will be amendable, and it will... penny mordaunt, who is in the commons, has said that she is calling it a painful process and a sad process for us all. it is going to be voted for on monday. you can

follow that and the rest of everything we have been discussing on the fact that the mps deliberately misled the commons over lockdown parties at number ten on the bbc news website, and on the iplayer. live from london, this is bbc news. former prime minster borisjohnson deliberately misled parliament over breaches of covid rules — those the findings from a committee of mps. i'm live from westminster getting reaction and analysis to the committee's findings. the search continues for hundreds of migrants feared missing after a crowded boat sank off the southern coast of greece. a bbc exclusive — in a series of secret interviews, people living in north korea tell the bbc the government is becoming increasingly oppressive.

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