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actress glenda jackson has died at the age of 87. hello, i m maryam moshiri, welcome to bbc news now, three hours of fast—moving news, interviews and reaction. former prime minister, borisjohnson, deliberately and repeatedly misled mps about parties at 10 downing street when coronavirus lockdown measures were in place. that's the conclusion of a report by mps, which says it would have recommended suspending him as an mp for 90 days, if he hadn't already stood down from the role after he saw the report last week. it also recommends the former pm should not get a pass which allows ex—mps to access parliament after they leave. mrjohnson has admitted his statements about the parties misled parliament, but denied doing so
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intentionally or recklessly, saying, "this is rubbish. this is a lie." let's cross live now to my colleague nancy kacungira, who is in westminsterfor us with all the latest reaction. the report doesn't hold back, does it? no, it doesn't. this is one of those situations where they were so many briefings about this report before it came out, that a lot of journalists felt they knew what was in it. but in reality it has been much more severe than anyone thought it would be. as you mentioned, a 90 day suspension. many people had thought it might be about ten. and also, the recommendation that mr johnson's parliamentary pass to be taken away from him. —— parliamentary pass. severe harsh punishments for borisjohnson coming out of this report. of course, this report still has to be approved by parliament. we have heard from penny mordaunt, the leader of the house of
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commons, that that will happen on monday. there will be a discussion on what to do about this report then. but right now, let's take a little bit of a deeper look into what exactly is in this report. here isjonathan blake. what exactly is in this report. here is jonathan blake. well, the committee's _ here is jonathan blake. well, the committee's report _ here is jonathan blake. well, the committee's report runs - here is jonathan blake. well, the committee's report runs to - here is jonathan blake. well, the committee's report runs to more| here is jonathan blake. well, the - committee's report runs to more than 100 pages, 30,000 words. it is a lengthy investigation into boris johnson �*s claims that he made in the house of commons and those statements were true. and if they weren't, as borisjohnson himself has conceded subsequently, was he misleading the house deliberately? and in the language the committee has been trying to establish, whether it was inadvertent, reckless, or intentional. we can have a look at the main findings of the inquiry. essentially, it has found boris johnson did mislead the house of commons deliberately. he effectively
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got in the way of parliament being able to do itsjob properly. and that he and his conduct towards the investigation, particularly in the latter stages following his investigation as an mp, he committed further contempts in his language and approach to the inquiry. so, let's focus on one of the main findings, which is that boris johnson did mislead parliament deliberately. and what the committee has used as evidence to establish that. it goes through line by line here its justification for reaching that conclusion. they say boris johnson's repeated and continuing denials of the facts, for example, his refusal to accept there were insufficient efforts to enforce social distancing, where a lack of social distancing, where a lack of social distancing, where a lack of social distancing is referenced in photographs, and that he neither saw or heard anything. they also say the frequency with which is mine was closed to those facts, and to what
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was obvious, so that eventually the only conclusion that could be drawn was that he was deliberately closing his mind. the fact also he sought to rewrite the meaning of the rules and guidance to feed his own evidence. his own after the event rationalisations, the committee says. for example, the nature and extent of the assurances received, the words used, the purposes of the assurances, who they came from, the warnings etc. they end by saying they came to the view that some of mrjohnson�*s denials and explanations were so disingenuous that they were by their very nature deliberate attempts to mislead the committee and the house, while others demonstrated the liberation because of the frequency with which he closed his mind to the truth. so, just a flavour they are of the privilege committee's conclusions when it comes to misleading the house of commons and whether it was done deliberately or inadvertently, or recklessly. very clear from that summary, just to give you a sense of
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why the committee believes that borisjohnson was deliberately misleading mps, when he said the guidance had been followed in downing street at all times. jonathan, thank you. jonathan blake in the newsroom for us. you can see they're an exhaustive report, 30,000 pages of it. and he has been able to bring us some of the highlights from that. but now, those are the facts. what sort of meaning is being derived from those facts? earlier we spoke with dominic grieve, former attorney general for england and wales. the evidence, frankly, against mr johnson _ the evidence, frankly, against mr johnson is — the evidence, frankly, against mr johnson is overwhelming. it is overwhelming because of the evidence that parties took place. but what i think— that parties took place. but what i think is— that parties took place. but what i think is particularly telling is that— think is particularly telling is that when he came to the house and made _ that when he came to the house and made his— that when he came to the house and made his various statements about giving _ made his various statements about giving assurances that there had been _ giving assurances that there had been no — giving assurances that there had been no parties, he had been specifically told by his officers that he — specifically told by his officers that he couldn't give such
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assurances because it couldn't be said that — assurances because it couldn't be said that the rules had been properly— said that the rules had been properly followed, but itjust cheerfully decided to go ahead and do it _ cheerfully decided to go ahead and do it so. — cheerfully decided to go ahead and do it. so, whatever the circumstances, which he says brought these _ circumstances, which he says brought these gatherings about, where he says he _ these gatherings about, where he says he thought they were part of work _ says he thought they were part of work events, when he actually came to the _ work events, when he actually came to the commons and explained what had been _ to the commons and explained what had been going on, he knew that there _ had been going on, he knew that there was— had been going on, he knew that there was a problem and he deliberately decided to conceal it. it deliberately decided to conceal it. it has _ deliberately decided to conceal it. it has to— deliberately decided to conceal it. it has to be understood that this whole _ it has to be understood that this whole business is not about what he did in— whole business is not about what he did in downing street. it is whether he lied _ did in downing street. it is whether he lied to _ did in downing street. it is whether he lied to the house of commons. that distinction being made by dominic grieve, former attorney general. labour's deputy leader, angela rayner, has been responding to the report well, i think the privileges committee is pretty damning. it is serious _ committee is pretty damning. it is serious. borisjohnson is not only a iawbreaker— serious. borisjohnson is not only a lawbreaker but a liar. he is not fit for public — lawbreaker but a liar. he is not fit for public office and he has disgraced himself, and continues to
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act like _ disgraced himself, and continues to act like a _ disgraced himself, and continues to act like a pound shop trump in the way he _ act like a pound shop trump in the way he tries— act like a pound shop trump in the way he tries to discredit anybody who criticises his actions, when actually, — who criticises his actions, when actually, a _ who criticises his actions, when actually, a decent public servant would _ actually, a decent public servant would have done the honourable thing. _ would have done the honourable thing, would have had a little bit of humility and would have apologised to the british public for what they put them through. he says he hasn't done _ what they put them through. he says he hasn't done anything _ what they put them through. he says he hasn't done anything wrong, - what they put them through. he says he hasn't done anything wrong, that| he hasn't done anything wrong, that it is a witch hunt, that they have set out to get him from the beginning. what do you make of that response? i beginning. what do you make of that resonse? ~ 3 beginning. what do you make of that resonse? ,, �*, ., ., ., response? i think it's a lot of rubbish, _ response? i think it's a lot of rubbish, and _ response? i think it's a lot of rubbish, and he _ response? i think it's a lot of rubbish, and he knows - response? i think it's a lot of rubbish, and he knows it. - response? i think it's a lot of. rubbish, and he knows it. that response? i think it's a lot of - rubbish, and he knows it. that is why he _ rubbish, and he knows it. that is why he didn't challenge his seat. that is— why he didn't challenge his seat. that is why he has resigned, because he knows _ that is why he has resigned, because he knows he — that is why he has resigned, because he knows he would not win that by—election, because he knows the public— by—election, because he knows the public can— by—election, because he knows the public can see through this act, this clown — public can see through this act, this clown act, that he puts on, where — this clown act, that he puts on, where it— this clown act, that he puts on, where it is— this clown act, that he puts on, where it is pretty obvious that that report _ where it is pretty obvious that that report is— where it is pretty obvious that that report is pretty damning into what happened, and he has disgraced himself~ — happened, and he has disgraced himself. he should apologise to the british— himself. he should apologise to the british people. rishi sunak should not have _ british people. rishi sunak should not have propped him up for as long as he _ not have propped him up for as long as he has— not have propped him up for as long as he has in— not have propped him up for as long as he has in the british public should — as he has in the british public should not be paying for the lawbreaker and the lawyer for his legal— lawbreaker and the lawyer for his legal defence when he hasn't got a defence _ legal defence when he hasn't got a defence because he's bang to rights and what _ defence because he's bang to rights and what he has done.—
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defence because he's bang to rights and what he has done. angela rayner with her reaction. _ and what he has done. angela rayner with her reaction. let's _ and what he has done. angela rayner with her reaction. let's distill - and what he has done. angela rayner with her reaction. let's distill all - with her reaction. let's distill all of these a little bit with rob watson, or political correspondent. he joins watson, or political correspondent. hejoins me here on college green. let's take stock. a few hours after this report has been released, we have been getting a lot of reaction? we have ended. before we even take stock, it is probably worth reminding ourselves now that in the 1000 year history of the institution of britain's parliament, no minister, former prime minister or sitting prime minister, has been on the receiving end of such a damning report. i mean, it really is a fairly extraordinary moment, to put it in historical context. in terms of reaction, well, reaction has been pretty much along the lines that you could have entirely predicted. that is, that sort of chunk of people inside the government and the conservative party, and a large minority in this country, who like borisjohnson and whose attitude to
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him could still be summed up as, good old boris, stitch up, they think, what is this all about? the other chunk of the population, a large chunk of the population, and some in the governing conservative party, think, how on earth this man —— did this man ever get into high office? why on earth did you conservative party have him as leader? and how on earth will britain recoverfrom leader? and how on earth will britain recover from the sort of damage he has done to or institutions? so, the reaction has gone pretty much along those bifurcated lines. it gone pretty much along those bifurcated lines.— gone pretty much along those bifurcated lines. if you think back to when you _ bifurcated lines. if you think back to when you are _ bifurcated lines. if you think back to when you are covering - bifurcated lines. if you think back to when you are covering boris i to when you are covering boris johnson, when he had just got into politics, there was always a certain view people had of him. when you reflect on what he was then and what he has come to now, i would be interested to hear it? it is he has come to now, i would be interested to hear it?— interested to hear it? it is an extraordinary _ interested to hear it? it is an extraordinary change. - interested to hear it? it is an extraordinary change. the i interested to hear it? it is an - extraordinary change. the question that we political correspondents, the conservative party, get asked, is, is this the end of boris johnson? the sense here is that probably yes it is. it is worth
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reminding ourselves, basically you have to be over a0 to remember this, but 25 years ago when borisjohnson burst onto the scene, it was as this incredibly funny, witty presenter of itv programme called have i got news for you? itv programme called have i got news foryou? so, itv programme called have i got news for you? so, the first perception british people had of him was as a celebrity, this incredibly funny guy, who was patriotic, and he sort of seemed above politics. most people didn't know if he was conservative or labour. he was the funny guy with the blonde hair. that was —— what enabled him to become mayor of london, a very liberal, normally labour city. then we get to the referendum, a deeply polarising event, where he led the leave side. i don't think britain would have left the european union without him. it brings us to where we are now, as a politician who can reach the other party politicians couldn't. he was
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profoundly polarising. i think that is why he will struggle to make a comeback because despite that large chunk of the population that still thinks good old boris, he has sought to become that most difficult of things, which is an unpopular populist, the polling is now cup —— not complimentary about boris johnson, because a lot of those people are like in 25 years ago, think, you know what? it is not what i thought he was.— i thought he was. looking at the findinus i thought he was. looking at the findings of _ i thought he was. looking at the findings of the _ i thought he was. looking at the findings of the committee, - i thought he was. looking at the findings of the committee, one | i thought he was. looking at the l findings of the committee, one of the things they found was that he was complicit in a campaign of abuse against the mps investigating him. i mean, just for context, how unusual is a situation like this, where you have a former prime minister railing against a committee that has been set up, a cross—party committee, set “p set up, a cross—party committee, set up by parliament, saying there is a witchhunt against him?— up by parliament, saying there is a witchhunt against him? well, i guess if ou had a witchhunt against him? well, i guess if you had a scale _ witchhunt against him? well, i guess if you had a scale of— witchhunt against him? well, i guess if you had a scale of usual _ witchhunt against him? well, i guess if you had a scale of usual where - if you had a scale of usual where zero is usual and 100 was immensely unusual, this would be closer to the 100 mark. again, it is what mr johnson because my critics would see
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as the... it is kind of a witchhunt. essentially what this committee has been saying, the mps on this committee felt they needed extra protection, security, in case they were attacked, presumably, by members of the public were very unhappy and had taken boris johnson's side. because he had labelled them as a kangaroo court. in other words, they are accusing, i mean, you have to sort of pinch yourself to get around this, but essentially this committee are accusing the former prime minister, accusing the former prime minister, a former prime minister of this country, of inciting violence, potentially. country, of inciting violence, potentially-— country, of inciting violence, potentially. it's extraordinary, isn't it? we — potentially. it's extraordinary, isn't it? we are _ potentially. it's extraordinary, isn't it? we are glad - potentially. it's extraordinary, isn't it? we are glad to - potentially. it's extraordinary, isn't it? we are glad to have l potentially. it's extraordinary, i isn't it? we are glad to have you potentially. it's extraordinary, - isn't it? we are glad to have you to talk through it. rob watson, or political correspondent. just to remind you, some of the top line is that we are sharing today, that long anticipated report by mps into whether boris johnson anticipated report by mps into
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whether borisjohnson misled parliament over covid lockdown parties did come out this morning at 9am and it has found that he deliberately misled parliament. we will bring you more on that as we get it. much more are now live page. —— on our live page. this is bbc news. another visual will be held later in memory of the two university students and 65—year—old man killed in nottingham on tuesday. the city council has organised an event in the market square and a minute's silence will also be observed. the families of the two students killed joined thousands at their university to pay tribute to them yesterday. police in nottingham are still questioning a 31—year—old man on suspicion of murder. junior doctors in england are continuing their 72—hour strike today,
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in a dispute over pay and conditions. the bma, which represents doctors and medical students, says a 5% pay offer isn't enough. the health secretary steve barclay said he'd be willing to resume talks if the strikes are paused and they move significantly from what he says is their unreasonable position. let's cross live to or colleague nancy on college green in westminster. thank you. we are getting all the reaction that is coming in after this report was released. the privileges committee has found that borisjohnson deliberately misled parliament. and has recommended heavy sanctions against him, which we will —— which will of course be discussed by parliament on monday. we are getting reaction to new content in the report. i'd like us to listening to a conversation i had with conservative mp michael fabricant. he was given recently a
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knighthood by borisjohnson is his resignation honours list and he has mentioned that he feels the report by the cross—party committee was swayed by political decisions. let's listen to what he had to say. it is quite clear that he misled parliament. what is not so clear, and i haven't read the evidence, is whether or not he knowingly misled parliament. that might sound like dancing on the head of a needle, but actually it is quite an important point, because normally the privileges committee would look at whether someone knowingly tried to mislead parliament. and he maintained, of course, that he was getting legal advice, so it was legal. i am getting legal advice, so it was legal. iam not getting legal advice, so it was legal. i am not going to argue that now. i have not read the evidence. what i am concerned about is that a number of people have criticised others who have impugned the nature of the privileges committee. and what i do want to say is that i was there when borisjohnson gave evidence to the committee. now that
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committee stands in a quasi judicial role like a court ofjustice, and when borisjohnson was answering questions i could see members of the committee, not all of them, some of them behaved with great dignity and —— asjurors them behaved with great dignity and —— as jurors would them behaved with great dignity and —— asjurors would do in a court, but some of them were pulling faces, looking skywards, turning their backs on borisjohnson. and you now justicejust backs on borisjohnson. and you now justice just doesn't have to be done, it has to be seen to be done. those are the views they conservative — to be done. those are the views they conservative mp. _ to be done. those are the views they conservative mp. there _ to be done. those are the views they conservative mp. there are - to be done. those are the views they conservative mp. there are a - to be done. those are the views they conservative mp. there are a range i conservative mp. there are a range of views on this issue. let's hear from penny mordaunt, the leader of the house of comments. this is because the report will be debated and voted on in parliament on monday. penny mordaunt has spoken about this, saying it will be a very difficult day.—
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a very difficult day. these are difficult matters _ a very difficult day. these are difficult matters for _ a very difficult day. these are difficult matters for the - a very difficult day. these are i difficult matters for the house. a very difficult day. these are - difficult matters for the house. we have to look at the evidence. we have to look at the evidence. we have to look at the report. but we are talking about people who are friends and colleagues. it will be a painful process. and a sad process for all of us. the task that we face on monday. but all of us must do what we think is right. the government must leave us alone to do so. that was penny mordaunt saying this is going to be difficult for members of parliament, having to make these decisions about one of their colleagues. earlier we heard from boris johnson's former boss when he worked for the daily telegraph newspaper — sir max hastings. this is a devastating report, much more explicit than some of us dared to hope. and it seems intended not merely to criticise boris johnson, but to bury him. that is a result of
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his own conduct over many years. of course, it was almost inevitable that he should attempt what we could call the trump defence or the berlusconi defence, where he suddenly seeks to present himself as a victim of all of this. some of us have argued, mean, i called them in the times the other day and on discharge moral bankrupt, some of us have said they saw partygate from the beginning. that you can make a case which somejohnson supporters may, which is all this doesn't matter. what you can't credibly do is to do what borisjohnson has sought to do, which is to say it never happened. i didn't break the rules, didn't break the rules. this is obviously nonsense. and this is exactly what the committee has found because how could they find anything else? 5ir because how could they find anything else? ,, n, because how could they find anything else? ,, .,, , because how could they find anything else? ,, , , else? sir max hastings. boris johnson's _ else? sir max hastings. boris johnson's boss _ else? sir max hastings. boris johnson's boss when - else? sir max hastings. boris johnson's boss when he - else? sir max hastings. boris l johnson's boss when he worked else? sir max hastings. boris - johnson's boss when he worked at the daily telegraph. let's bring in for
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some more reaction, michael cochrane, thejournalist some more reaction, michael cochrane, the journalist behind the documentary, borisjohnson, the irresistible rise. thank you for talking to us. i mean, this is a day obviously when a lot of attention is focused notjust on the report, but the very essence of who boris johnson is as a politician. i wonder, if you think about what you have seen, really looking into his life and into his character, is this a moment he saw coming? well, i think if you _ a moment he saw coming? well, i think if you looked _ a moment he saw coming? well, i think if you looked again _ a moment he saw coming? well, i think if you looked again as - a moment he saw coming? well, i think if you looked again as the i think if you looked again as the film, which you mentioned, you would have seen it coming. there was a picture that was present at fair, which has played out on the public stage for the six years since the referendum result. i will stage for the six years since the referendum result. iwill give stage for the six years since the referendum result. i will give you just a tiny example. boris hates
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losing. i played tennis against boris while making the film. and he was on the court like a gorilla. the ball would be up in the air and he would be growling. he said afterwards, i am very, very worried about this film. because you are at the knight and i kept trying to hit it and knock your head off. —— the net. i am really worried that when you put your film together you may make it look as if you are a better tennis player than i am. that is the way he is. he is the most competitive of men. if he decided —— at the age of five he decided he wanted to be world king. he toned it down a little bit and decided he wanted to be british prime minister. and spent all his life until it became british prime minister doing that, seeking to be prime minister. when he was at eton he was often in
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the... sorry, iam when he was at eton he was often in the... sorry, i am getting some talkback in my ears. i don't know where it is coming from. sorry. when he was at eton he was often in school plays. and he never learned his lines. and the school plays would turn into a farcical play. it was between boris and the prompter. i said to him, have you made it a rule in your life that, just as you never learned your lines in school plays, you realise you could get more laughs by not knowing your lines and by knowing them? he said, trikes, if what you are saying is that i sometimes give the impression that i sometimes give the impression that i sometimes give the impression that i don't quite know sometimes what is going on, or sometimes i may
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give the impression, but sometimes i do know what is going on, but people don't know whether i do or not. that is some of his logic. just don't know whether i do or not. that is some of his logic.— is some of his logic. just to pick u . is some of his logic. just to pick u- on is some of his logic. just to pick up on that- _ is some of his logic. just to pick up on that- l — is some of his logic. just to pick up on that. ithink— is some of his logic. just to pick up on that. i think many - is some of his logic. just to pick up on that. i think many people j is some of his logic. just to pick- up on that. i think many people what might recognise what you are describing their in the way they have seen him behave as prime minister. but when you think about this moment in british politics, when a prime minister is receiving such a damning report from a committee of parliament, does the fault lie with borisjohnson, or does this prompt you to reflect about the system that elevated him to the very highest office in the land? ~ ., ., , ., land? well, one of the things that rom ted land? well, one of the things that prompted me _ land? well, one of the things that prompted me to _ land? well, one of the things that prompted me to think _ land? well, one of the things that prompted me to think about - land? well, one of the things that prompted me to think about borisj prompted me to think about boris johnson in terms of his reaction to this, which he put out before and after the report was delivered, where he called it complete rubbish, a light, deranged, that kind of
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thing. when he was at eton his schoolmaster said he regards it as churlish of us not to realise that he is a special person who doesn't have to pay the same laws and conventions of everyone else in the school. and it's churlish that we don't recognise his genius. well, i think he feels it is churlish of the standards committee, the privileges committee, not to recognise that they had a great figure in front of him. he wrote a book about winston churchill that seemed to be a book which showed how winston churchill had modelled his life on that of borisjohnson. winston churchill had been a journalist, boris a journalist and so on. he was born with the gift of tongues. and an
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amazing gift with words. and unfortunately, these words, is one of his former mistresses said, lying comes to boris as naturally as breathing. the problem is he is not a very good liar. are you still there? a very good liar. are ou still there? ., ,, , ., , are you still there? thank you very much, michael— are you still there? thank you very much, michael cockrell, _ are you still there? thank you very much, michael cockrell, the - much, michael cockrell, the journalist behind the documentary, borisjohnson, the irresistible rise. we are halfway through the day already. and of course we are bringing you all the latest on that long anticipated report by mps into whether boris johnson long anticipated report by mps into whether borisjohnson did deliberately mislead parliament. the privileges committee apartment found that he did. they released a long report detailing why they have
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recommended some pretty severe sanctions over borisjohnson, sanctions over boris johnson, including sanctions over borisjohnson, including taking away his parliamentary pass. we will bring you all the latest year on bbc news. stay with us. hello. some of us have seen thunderstorms this week. but for others it has remained stubbornly dry. so what chance of rain over the past few days? actually the chance will be increasing thanks to what is currently just a swirl of cloud will be increasing thanks to what is currentlyjust a swirl of cloud a long way to the west of us developing. in the short—term though, this afternoon most places fine, dry and sunny. the chance of one or two showers, particularly in the west. they could be heavy and thundery. temperatures are going up to 26, 20 7 degrees. thundery. temperatures are going up to 26,20 7 degrees. some thundery. temperatures are going up to 26, 20 7 degrees. some were likely to get to 28 or 29. this evening and tonight, largely clear skies overhead. low cloud rolling into the far north—west of scotland.
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and also, by the end of the night, some cloud on the chance of thunderstorms in the far south—west of england. temperatures generally between eight and i2 of england. temperatures generally between eight and 12 degrees. it may between eight and 12 degrees. it may be a little bit chillier than that in eastern england and eastern scotland. into tomorrow we will start to see more cloud as the greater chance of a shower across parts of south—west england, wales, the west midlands, into northern ireland, they could be the odd thunderstorm. further east, maybe the odd rogue shower. most places fine, dry, sunny, with very warm temperatures. widely into the mid to high 20s celsius. into the weekend of the area of low pressure begins to make its move. for the time being this low will remain centred to the west of the uk. so it is western parts that have the greatest chance of seeing some heavy, thundery rain. broadly speaking we have the increasing chance of rain over the weekend. there will still be spells of warm sunshine. saturday, warm showers, thunderstorms, particularly in western parts. further east it
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should be largely dry. some low cloud and some of the eastern coast for a time. still very warm. just a little bit less warm when you have more cloud and more of those showers. then for sunday, bit of uncertainty about just how showers. then for sunday, bit of uncertainty aboutjust how much showery rain there will be. could well be that we see some slightly more persistent thundery rain drifting northwards, particularly later in the day. still feeling fairly warm and any sunshine. temperatures into the low 20s celsius. i wouldn't be at all surprised if somewhere was warmer. into next week, it will stay quite warm but there will be some rain at times.
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this is bbc news, the headlines: the former prime minister, boris johnson, deliberately misled parliament over breaches of covert rules. those are the damning findings from a committee of mps. the search continues for hundreds of migrants feared missing after a crowded boat sank off the southern coast of greece. nato defence ministers are meeting in brussels to establish a timetable for training ukrainian pilots to fly american fighter jets. and in a bbc exclusive, in a series of secret interviews, people living in north korea tell the bbc that the government there is becoming increasingly oppressive. and, former labour mp and 0scar—winning
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increasingly oppressive. and, former labour mp and oscar—winning actress, glenda jackson has died at the age of 87.

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