we talk live to those involved in the search. nato defence ministers meet in brussels. we speak live is a former secretary—general. hello, i'm matthew amroliwala. welcome to verified live, three hours of breaking stories, and checking out the truth behind them. let's start in westminster and that damning report that's been published which says the former prime minister, borisjohnson deliberately and repeatedly misled mps about parties at 10 downing street, when coronavirus lockdown measures were in place. that's the conclusion of a report by a committee of mps which says it would have recommended suspending him as an mp for 90 days if he hadn't already stood down after he was given an advanced copy of the report last week. it also recommends that the former pm should not

receive a members�* pass which allows ex—mps to access parliament after they leave. borisjohnson has admitted his statements about the parties misled parliament, but denied doing so intentionally. he described today's report as rubbish and deranged. straight to westminster and nancy kacungira. nancy, you said it in the headlines, this is an absolutely blistering report, isn't it? it this is an absolutely blistering report, isn't it?— this is an absolutely blistering report, isn't it? it certainly is, matthew _ report, isn't it? it certainly is, matthew. 30,000 _ report, isn't it? it certainly is, matthew. 30,000 words - report, isn't it? it certainly is, matthew. 30,000 words and l report, isn't it? it certainly is, l matthew. 30,000 words and all report, isn't it? it certainly is, - matthew. 30,000 words and all of them adding up to two major things. one, this report has found that borisjohnson deliberately misled parliament. this is of course over allegations that he attended parties while there was a coronavirus lockdown. the second is really regarding borisjohnson�*s reaction to this investigation. the committee says that he temperatures to

intimidate members who were on the committee —— attempted to intimidate members who are on the committee and undermine democracy. those are the points this report centre's rentals up points this report centre's rentals up there have been a lot of developments today since this report released. our political correspondent has the details. after almost a year of investigating, as big ben struck nine, there came an explosive verdict. the former prime minister deliberately misled parliament when he made statements like this. mr speaker, mrspeaker, i mrspeaker, lam mr speaker, i am sure that whatever happens. _ mr speaker, i am sure that whatever happens, the guidance was followed under_ happens, the guidance was followed under the _ happens, the guidance was followed under the rules were followed at all times _ he'd committed a serious contempt, the committee said, and has racked up more since. borisjohnson gave evidence to the committee in march. he was asked to explain why he told parliament the guidance was followed when he had been at events like this one in downing street where there was clearly little social distancing.

the committee said his explanations were, "so disingenuous they were by their very nature deliberate attempts to mislead." that he had, "sought to rewrite the meanings of the rules and guidance to fit his own evidence" and he had "closed his mind to the truth." borisjohnson is not only a lawbreaker, but a liar. he's not fit for public office and he's disgraced himself and continues to act like a pound—shop trump in the way he tries to discredit anyone who criticises his actions, when actually a decent public servant would have done the honourable thing, would have had a bit of humility and apologised to the british public for what he put them through. the report has also criticised mrjohnson�*s behaviour in recent days. last week he announced he was resigning, attacking the committee as "a kangaroo court." i swear by almighty god... another serious contempt, the committee said, which would have increased the recommended suspension to 90 days. in a statement mrjohnson

said the findings were rubbish and a lie and said in order to reach this deranged conclusion, the committee had been obliged to say a series of things that were patently absurd, and it was a dreadful day for mps and democracy. he does have some supporters who share his view. i think it is spiteful, vindictive, overreaching, quite frankly. this is a completely unfair report as borisjohnson says, it feels very much like a stitch—up. in terms of due process, i don't think he has been treated fairly at all. saying he has deliberately misled the house, how can they possibly come to that conclusion? where is the evidence? i have not seen any. i will be speaking against this, voting against this and i hope other colleagues do as well. call a general election. in the commons, the leader of the house said that vote would happen on monday. it will be a painful process and a sad process.

for all of us, the task we face on monday. but all of us must do what we think is right and others must leave us alone to do so. the prime minister was out on an immigration raid in london early this morning. number 10 say they do not know if he has read the report. he certainly hadn't when he spoke tojournalists in an interview scheduled before it was published. you're talking about a report i haven't seen and no one else has seen. it would not be right to comment in advance of it being published. this time last year, borisjohnson was still prime minister. is this the end, mrjohnson? this morning, now not even an mp, he was out for a run. he has said he wanted to come back to parliament. this report's wholesale setting of his misconduct towards it is likely to make that significant harder. —— wholesale savaging. of course, there has been plenty of reaction to this report, the question is, has it really changed

anyone's mines, have people decided what they would say about the report before they even read it? let's get some more reaction on this now. join me as thangam debbonaire, shadow leader of the house of commons, labour's shadow leader of the house of commons. thank you for talking to us. let's start by finding out what you think about the report. reading the reort you think about the report. reading the report this _ you think about the report. reading the report this morning _ you think about the report. reading the report this morning was - you think about the report. reading the report this morning was quite . the report this morning was quite damning, wasn't it? we established... the committee established... the committee established that borisjohnson had lied, he had lied multiple times to the house of commons and therefore by extension to the public. and that's what this report was about. that is a serious charge against the prime minister. they are supposed to be the one that sets the lead, that sets the tone for their own government. and it's important because people up and down this country made incredible sacrifices as they stuck to the rules that they believed in. we already knew boris johnson had broken the rules because there had been a police inquiry and

there had been a police inquiry and the sue gray inquiry, which lets not forget, he commissioned himself. at this inquiry established that not only did he know what the rules were, we know that, we'd seen him weed them out every night from downing street, we knew there had been events, multiple events in parliament, that he lied about it and failed to correct the record, and failed to correct the record, and that really matters. but that's our past prime minister. our current prime minister seems to be so weak he could not stand up to his predecessor and block or at least stop and delay his resignation honours list last friday, which happened mere minutes before boris johnson finally resigned as an mp. so that is an astonishing act of weakness. it also, that hisjudgment is so poor he allowed our money, taxpayers' money, it's a fun boris johnson's legal advice for the inquiry, that is astonishing. —— to fund his legal advice or stop was not important have the presumption of innocence before the report revealed its of innocence before the report reveale: , of innocence before the report reveale— of- of innocence before the report i reveale_ of course, revealed its findings? of course, that's why _ revealed its findings? of course,

that's why we — revealed its findings? of course, that's why we appointed - revealed its findings? of course, that's why we appointed a - revealed its findings? of course, that's why we appointed a very l that's why we appointed a very experienced chair in harriet harman who has got decades of experience but as a lawyer but also as a parliamentarian, we appointed a cross—party committee, including a majority of tory mps. that was unanimously approved by the house of commons a year ago, nobody including mrjohnson voted against that. and they sifted the evidence very, very carefully. that's what we asked them to do. anybody can beat that evidence now and they have come to careful, measured and well considered conclusions. —— anybody can read that evidence. it considered conclusions. —— anybody can read that evidence. ifi considered conclusions. -- anybody can read that evidence.— can read that evidence. if i can 'ust ick can read that evidence. if i can just pick up — can read that evidence. if i can just pick up on _ can read that evidence. if i can just pick up on that, _ can read that evidence. if i can just pick up on that, you've - can read that evidence. if i can i just pick up on that, you've talked about the fact that this was a cross—party committee, members on both sides, but borisjohnson�*s reaction to this has been highly critical of the committee, of the findings, there are obviously supporters of his, like jacob rees—mogg, who called the findings fundamentally flawed. so even though this was an initiative apartment, how divided is pregnant about these findings? how divided is pregnant about these findinus? ~ . ~ ., how divided is pregnant about these findins? . ., ~' . . . findings? walking about parliament toda , i findings? walking about parliament today. i have _ findings? walking about parliament today. i have to _ findings? walking about parliament today, i have to say _ findings? walking about parliament today, i have to say i _ findings? walking about parliament today, i have to say i think - today, i have to say i think colleagues on all sides seem to be

more than willing to accept that the privileges committee has the one that has gone to the trouble of hearing evidence. when i hear those critics, the supporters of boris johnson, including quite frankly outrageous attacks on the integrity of this committee, i haven't seen any of them come up with any examples of how that evidence has been improperly assessed. anybody reading this evidence can see how the committee has come to a very measured set of conclusions. they established something we all actually knew anyway, that boris johnson clearly knew the rules because he announced them. they established what he said in parliament, again, something that was a matter of fact, they carefully review that. and they established the evidence for what he claimed in parliament, that no rules had been broken is that that was carefully and thoroughly done and so far i have not seen anybody, with its jacob rees—mogg or other critics of the borisjohnson report of the committee, that can say where they went wrong. theyjust don't like the result. and borisjohnson seems to be the leading one year, leading the attack, creating the conditions for

some of his colleagues and members of the public to attack the committee, to threaten the committee. that's quite wrong. if they don't like the process, i mean, borisjohnson was prime minister, he could have changed that process. he went into the process knowing what it was and yet again, as he has done before, when he gets a result he doesn't like, he starts to rubbish it. it is a disgrace. irate doesn't like, he starts to rubbish it. it is a disgrace.— it. it is a disgrace. we will have to leave it _ it. it is a disgrace. we will have to leave it there, _ it. it is a disgrace. we will have to leave it there, but _ it. it is a disgrace. we will have to leave it there, but thank - it. it is a disgrace. we will have to leave it there, but thank you j it. it is a disgrace. we will have i to leave it there, but thank you for joining us and sharing your thoughts, thangam debbonaire, labour's micro shadow leader of the house of commons. —— labour�*s shadow leader of the house of commons. this will be a matter of debate for some time, on mandate will be debated in the house of commons, for now, back to you, matthew. more on westminster coming up on verified life. but let's turn to another really important and developing story. three days of national mourning have been declared in greece,

after at least 78 migrants died when the boat they were in capsized. more than 100 were rescued, after the fishing vessel sank off the country's southern coast, but survivors have suggested, as many as 750 people may have been on board, including children. the ship was thought to have been travelling from tobruk in libya — to italy, when it capsized around 80 kilometres southwest of greece. the bodies of some of those drowned have been brought to the port of kalamata, where the survivors are also being treated. are there on the programme, i spoke to a red cross volunteer in kalamata, who described what he is seen through the course of today. there were a lot of pain on the faces of survivors. they had already been on this boat for days, they have suffered the lack of water and other basic supplies during their

trip. and unfortunately, they end up with this wreck. it was a tremendous feeling to see all these people who survived, seeking further family, their friends, survived, seeking further family, theirfriends, their survived, seeking further family, their friends, their beloved survived, seeking further family, theirfriends, their beloved persons around, having no answers to the questions of what really happened. that must be very, very distressing to witness that. in terms of the conversations you have had, what are people saying to you about the sorts of numbers that were on the split, roughly? of numbers that were on the split, rou~hl ? , , ., , roughly? the numbers, as we discussed _ roughly? the numbers, as we discussed with _ roughly? the numbers, as we discussed with survivors, - roughly? the numbers, as we discussed with survivors, are| discussed with survivors, are similar to numbers you havejust mentioned, they think that the boat was filled with maybe more than 700 people. most of them, most likely,

have very little chance to survive after all these hours, have already passed. live now to athens with anna pantelia, a humanitarian worker who was on a search and rescue boat in the central mediterranean last yearfor six months. welcome to the programme. an absolutely horrifying story. your thoughts on the details that have emerged so far? to thoughts on the details that have emerged so far?— thoughts on the details that have emerged so far? to be honest, it's very painful _ emerged so far? to be honest, it's very painful having _ emerged so far? to be honest, it's very painful having to _ emerged so far? to be honest, it's very painful having to witness - emerged so far? to be honest, it's| very painful having to witness again something — very painful having to witness again something like what i witnessed last year around these days, where we had witnessed _ year around these days, where we had witnessed a _ year around these days, where we had witnessed a similar incident with a boat that— witnessed a similar incident with a boat that actually sunk, and we relate _ boat that actually sunk, and we relate the — boat that actually sunk, and we relate the moment we arrived for the rescue, _ relate the moment we arrived for the rescue, already people have lost already— rescue, already people have lost already their lives —— we were late. and others— already their lives —— we were late. and others were trying to hold themselves on a dinghy. back then, you know. _ themselves on a dinghy. back then, you know, women were reporting to us that they— you know, women were reporting to us that they have lost children, we had a woman_ that they have lost children, we had a woman who had lost both her children—

a woman who had lost both her children before we arrived, we had unaccompanied minors that tried to help their— unaccompanied minors that tried to help their friends and couldn't. people — help their friends and couldn't. people were traumatised. and i cannot— people were traumatised. and i cannot help but think how these people — cannot help but think how these people that are now in kalamata are feeling _ people that are now in kalamata are feeling after having to witness this tragedy, _ feeling after having to witness this tragedy, and as he mentioned before, these _ tragedy, and as he mentioned before, these people often stay in the middle — these people often stay in the middle of the sea for days without supplies. — middle of the sea for days without supplies, without food or water to drink _ supplies, without food or water to drink and — supplies, without food or water to drink. and all of these people, they are fleeing — drink. and all of these people, they are fleeing from libya, where i guess— are fleeing from libya, where i guess we — are fleeing from libya, where i guess we all know by now that they are treated horribly in the detention centres, they have been tortured. — detention centres, they have been tortured, women have been raped, and after they— tortured, women have been raped, and after they escaped that, they have to go— after they escaped that, they have to go on— after they escaped that, they have to go on such a journey. and oftentimes... to go on such a “ourney. and oftentimes. . ._ to go on such a “ourney. and oftentimes... sorry to interrupt ou, but oftentimes... sorry to interrupt you. but they — oftentimes... sorry to interrupt you, but they are _ oftentimes... sorry to interrupt you, but they are often - oftentimes... sorry to interrupt j you, but they are often heading oftentimes... sorry to interrupt i you, but they are often heading to italy, and not greece. the greek authorities stressing today that help was offered to the boat but turned down. do you think, despite it being turned down by the captain,

they should have been an earlier intervention by the greek authorities, from the eu authorities, from the eu authorities, who saw what was happening on this boat, so how overloaded it actually was? it is overloaded it actually was? it is 'ust overloaded it actually was? it is just south _ overloaded it actually was? it is just south of— overloaded it actually was? it is just south of crete, _ overloaded it actually was? it is just south of crete, the closest european — just south of crete, the closest european soil they could reach was crete, _ european soil they could reach was crete, but — european soil they could reach was crete, but they decided to go to italy because they know that if they will be _ italy because they know that if they will be stopped by the hellenic coastguard, most probably they will be beaten, they will be pushed back in the _ be beaten, they will be pushed back in the sea, — be beaten, they will be pushed back in the sea, left alone in a tiferaft. _ in the sea, left alone in a liferaft, as we have seen tens of reports — liferaft, as we have seen tens of reports about all these push backs. but of— reports about all these push backs. but of course it's not only greece. we are _ but of course it's not only greece. we are seeing the same exactly in italy. _ we are seeing the same exactly in italy, where the european union is funding _ italy, where the european union is funding the libyan coastguard to do exactly _ funding the libyan coastguard to do exactly the same. so we see this as a political— exactly the same. so we see this as a political choice of europe. and what's the _ a political choice of europe. and what's the answer, _ a political choice of europe. fific what's the answer, in your a political choice of europe. fific what's the answer, in your view? because in terms of the numbers of people making the crossing, is that rising across the mediterranean at the moment? the

rising across the mediterranean at the moment?— rising across the mediterranean at the moment? , , , , the moment? the unhcr 'ust published the moment? the unhcr 'ust published the numbers of— the moment? the unhcr 'ust published the numbers of people _ the moment? the unhcrjust published the numbers of people displaced - the numbers of people displaced globally, and this number has doubted — globally, and this number has doubled since ten years ago. 2012, we had _ doubled since ten years ago. 2012, we had 42 — doubled since ten years ago. 2012, we had 42 people... 42 million people — we had 42 people... 42 million people actually being displaced, and now we _ people actually being displaced, and now we are seeing over 100 million people _ now we are seeing over 100 million people being displaced. so the numbers— people being displaced. so the numbers have increased. but this deterrence — numbers have increased. but this deterrence policy will not stop people — deterrence policy will not stop people from crossing and taking journeys — people from crossing and taking journeys like this. i think if we want _ journeys like this. i think if we want to— journeys like this. i think if we want to speak about realistic answers. _ want to speak about realistic answers, we have to seek legal pathways, _ answers, we have to seek legal pathways, both for illegal migration but also _ pathways, both for illegal migration but also for asylum procedures that -- ttoth_ but also for asylum procedures that -- both for— but also for asylum procedures that —— both for legal migration but also for asylum — —— both for legal migration but also for asylum procedures that don't put people's— for asylum procedures that don't put people's lives at risk.— people's lives at risk. there was a radio interview _ people's lives at risk. there was a radio interview with _ people's lives at risk. there was a radio interview with a _ people's lives at risk. there was a radio interview with a spokesman| radio interview with a spokesman talking about the need for a legal pathways, we will speak to him on verified live in about an hour or so, but anna pantelia, thank you for joining us on the programme live from athens.

around the world and across the uk, you're watching bbc news. the home secretary suella braverman has been in nottingham after an attack on tuesday morning. police in nottingham have been given more time to question a 31—year—old man on suspicion of murder. double child killer and rapist colin pitchfork is to be released. he was jailed for life... the 63—year—old was released in 2021 before being sent back to prison two months

later. a mother and partner had been jailed for the death of alfie steele. let's go to the nato conference. a number of western nations are set to agree a timetable to train ukrainian pilots to fly westernjets, including f-165. the training is expected to take place this summer, at a number of locations in europe. but there are still no decisions, on whether ukraine will be provided with western jets, or when. let's hear more from lloyd austin. several countries have stepped up today with new commitments for ukraine. canada agreed a $3.5 million package to support ukraine, which will now include vertical air defence missiles to help ukraine's

sky's... help protect you claim has micro size. the united states along with uk, denmark and the netherlands also contributed funding for critical air defence missiles for ukraine. italy also announced its latest tranche of assistance which includes highly critical capabilities that meet ukraine's most urgent needs to defend itself, and several allies are beginning to think about supporting ukraine for the long term. lloyd austin talking a little earlier, let's head life to california and speak to a lecture at stanford university and former nato deputy secretary general, rose gottemoeller. welcome to the programme, great to have you on bbc news. just listing the latest support from nato countries for ukraine. what do you make of where their focus currently is? i ukraine. what do you make of where their focus currently is?— their focus currently is? i think it has moved _ their focus currently is? i think it has moved steadily _ their focus currently is? i think it has moved steadily in _ their focus currently is? i think it has moved steadily in the - their focus currently is? i think it has moved steadily in the right l has moved steadily in the right direction and you heard lloyd austin emphasise the need to continue to

supply ukraine with air defence capabilities and systems, which has been all—important in really countering these terrible attacks russia has undertaken on civilian infrastructure, including this week attacking zelensky�*s hometown twice, targeting both civilian but also some industrial facilities. targeting both civilian but also some industrialfacilities. the emphasis on air defence is quite right and it's an important move that the alliance has been taking. why don't they just that the alliance has been taking. why don't theyjust get on with the f-16 why don't theyjust get on with the f—16 decision? i why don't they 'ust get on with the f-16 decision?— f-16 decision? i think that the decision to — f-16 decision? i think that the decision to train _ f-16 decision? i think that the decision to train the _ f-16 decision? i think that the decision to train the pilots - f-16 decision? i think that the | decision to train the pilots was indicative that the decision is coming. f—16s are very capable aircraft, very good aircraft. we had to find some spare ones, as it turns out. they are of course widely dispersed in nato but they are also very much a part for nato deterrence and defence purposes. so i think it's just a matter of finding out where there are spare f—16s that can

be provided. but the fact that the pilots will be trained, the ukrainians will be trained and will be done, it will be done this summer in the near term and i think it is very important indicator that the planes will be found. in very important indicator that the planes will be found.— very important indicator that the planes will be found. in terms of the early stage _ planes will be found. in terms of the early stage of— planes will be found. in terms of the early stage of the _ the early stage of the counteroffensive, what is your assessment? i counteroffensive, what is your assessment?— counteroffensive, what is your assessment? , ., , assessment? i was 'ust reading this mornin: assessment? i was 'ust reading this morning that _ assessment? i was 'ust reading this morning that the _ assessment? i wasjust reading this morning that the ukrainians - assessment? i wasjust reading this morning that the ukrainians claim l morning that the ukrainians claim they have seized now 100 square kilometres. it doesn't sound like much but compared to the grinding battle for bakhmut over the spring, i think they actually have a bit of momentum now and i hope that they can carry it forward. of course they have a lot of problems to deal with, including the horrible flooding from the destruction of the dam that went on in the last ten days, and we still don't know exactly who and how... he was responsible and how that happened. but i continue to believe that the russians had an interest in flooding territories so the ukraine in advance in south—eastern ukraine would be

complicated. south-eastern ukraine would be complicated-— complicated. let's talk about russian responses _ complicated. let's talk about russian responses and - complicated. let's talk about russian responses and the l complicated. let's talk about - russian responses and the types of responses we have had. most people pointing their finger at moscow, there are almost weekly references to nuclear weapons. i listened to an interview you did on the bbc six to nine months ago, and you raise my eyebrows because you talked about the possibility of vladimir putin using a nuclear weapon or testing a nuclear weapon, perhaps, using a nuclear weapon or testing a nuclearweapon, perhaps, over using a nuclear weapon or testing a nuclear weapon, perhaps, over the sea, over the desert, as opposed to on the battlefield. do you really think that is a possibility? six. on the battlefield. do you really think that is a possibility? six to nine months _ think that is a possibility? six to nine months ago, _ think that is a possibility? six to nine months ago, the _ think that is a possibility? six to nine months ago, the russians. think that is a possibility? six to - nine months ago, the russians were talking a lot more, not so much about nuclear testing per se but in about nuclear testing per se but in a clear demonstration strike over the black sea, perhaps, we were spectating what that might look like. frankly, those kinds of threats have faded a bit but there is continuing, i would say, undercurrent of threatening

language, nuclearsabre undercurrent of threatening language, nuclear sabre rattling going on, very troubling article week essentially threatening ukraine with nuclear annihilation, so there is this sabre rattling still going on, i think we need to continue to watch carefully what the russians are doing, watch for preparations at their nuclear test site because vladimir putin has indeed threatened nuclear retaliation, i think we need to watch very carefully what they're doing at the test site and also watch carefully their operational nuclear forces to see if any changes are occurring. so far, as far as i know, there have been no upswing is in readiness in the russian nuclear forces. �* , , ., in readiness in the russian nuclear forces. �* , ., . ., forces. briefly, you touched on it, what are you _ forces. briefly, you touched on it, what are you looking _ forces. briefly, you touched on it, what are you looking at? - forces. briefly, you touched on it, what are you looking at? so - forces. briefly, you touched on it, what are you looking at? so many politicians don't dismiss it but refer to it as rhetoric. when do we start taking talks of nuclear testing or anything else around nuclear weapons at face value? i nuclear weapons at face value? i think, as i said, the main thing is to watch for clear evidence that there is a change in status in the

russian nuclear forces and that is all—important. ora russian nuclear forces and that is all—important. or a change in status of the facilities the nuclear test site at novaya zmrhal, now you're watching belarus where britain has promised weapons and said he accept them, we will be watching that very carefully. —— putin has promised weapons and lukas said he will accept them. weapons and lukas said he will accept them-— weapons and lukas said he will accept them. weapons and lukas said he will acce-t them. ~ . ~ ., , accept them. what will ukraine be focusint accept them. what will ukraine be focusing on. _ accept them. what will ukraine be focusing on, there _ accept them. what will ukraine be focusing on, there are _ accept them. what will ukraine be focusing on, there are calls - accept them. what will ukraine be focusing on, there are calls for - focusing on, there are calls for more weaponry, coming in dribs and drabs, what should they be focusing on? , ., . drabs, what should they be focusing on? ,., ., .. ., drabs, what should they be focusing on? . ., . on? the important interaction at this defence _ on? the important interaction at this defence ministerial- on? the important interaction at this defence ministerial and - on? the important interaction at this defence ministerial and alsoj on? the important interaction at i this defence ministerial and also at the summit will be with defence industries because defence industries because defence industries have been accustomed to smaller batches, to not being on this intensive schedule production, and so i know there is an ongoing conversation with defence industries even today about, how do we get into a faster pace of military production to replace what has already been

used up in this terrible war in ukraine? if} used up in this terrible war in ukraine? q; :: , _, , used up in this terrible war in ukraine?— used up in this terrible war in ukraine?;::: , , ., used up in this terrible war in ukraine? xi: , , ., ., , , ukraine? 30 seconds, how does this war end, ukraine? 30 seconds, how does this war end. do — ukraine? 30 seconds, how does this war end. do you _ ukraine? 30 seconds, how does this war end, do you think? _ ukraine? 30 seconds, how does this war end, do you think? when - ukraine? 30 seconds, how does thisj war end, do you think? when russia tets out of war end, do you think? when russia gets out of ukraine. _ war end, do you think? when russia gets out of ukraine. that's - war end, do you think? when russia gets out of ukraine. that's the - war end, do you think? when russia gets out of ukraine. that's the most j gets out of ukraine. that's the most basic thing. and i think that decision will come on the back of some very difficult and continuing fighting including through this counteroffensive this summer. rose gottemoeller. _ counteroffensive this summer. rose gottemoeller. we — counteroffensive this summer. rose gottemoeller, we run _ counteroffensive this summer. rose gottemoeller, we run out _ counteroffensive this summer. rose gottemoeller, we run out of time but we are so grateful for your time from california, great to talk to you and have you on the programme, thanks so much.— we will take a short break, when you're back, we will have all the latest headlines, don't go away, you're watching verified live. some of us have seen thunderstorms this week but for others it's remained stubbornly dry, so what chance of rain over the next few days? the chance will be

increasing thanks to what is currently just a swirl of cloud increasing thanks to what is currentlyjust a swirl of cloud a long way to the west of us, a developing area of low pressure. in the short time, this afternoon, most places fine, dry and sunny, the chance of one or two showers, particularly in the west, where they occur they could be heavy and possibly thundery. temperatures again up to around 26,27, possibly thundery. temperatures again up to around 26, 27, somewhere likely to get to 28 or 29. through the evening and tonight, we will see largely clear skies overhead, there could be some low cloud rolling into the far north—west of scotland at times. i also by the end of the night, some cloud and transfer some thunderstorms in the far south—west of england. temperatures generally between eight and 12, may be a bit chillier than that in parts of north—west two north—east england and eastern scotland. into tomorrow, starting to see more cloud in the greater chance of a shower across parts of south—west england, wales, into northern ireland, could be the odd thunderstorm. further east could be the odd brochure about most

things again fine, dry, sunny, very warm, temperatures widely up to the mid to high 20s celsius. it into the weekend, ourarea mid to high 20s celsius. it into the weekend, our area of low pressure begins to make its move. for the time being this low will remain central to the west of the uk so its western parts that have the greatest chance of seeing some heavy, thundery rain, but broadly speaking, we have the increasing chance of rain through the weekend but there will still be spells of warm sunshine. on saturday, some showers, some thunderstorms, particularly across western parts. further east it should be largely dry, some low cloud for some of these eastern coasts, for a time. still very warm, just a bit less warm where you have more cloud and more of those showers. for sunday, bit of uncertainty about just how showers. for sunday, bit of uncertainty aboutjust how much showery rain there will be, could well be that we see some slightly more persistent heavy thundery rain drifting northwards, particularly later in the day. still, though, feeling fairly warm in any sunshine with temperatures easily into the low 20s celsius, wouldn't be at all surprised if some work got a little

warmer than that. into next week, it will stay really quite warm but there will be some rain at times.

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