tv The Context BBC News June 15, 2023 8:00pm-8:30pm BST
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sitting prime minister minister or a sitting prime minister being _ minister or a sitting prime minister being found — minister or a sitting prime minister being found in_ minister or a sitting prime minister being found in contempt _ minister or a sitting prime minister being found in contempt of- being found in contempt of parliament. _ welcome to the context. borisjohnson deliberately and repeatedly misled mps and should, had he not already resigned, be suspended for 90 days. that's the findings of a damning report into the former prime minister. we will have all the detail and the reaction to that in just a second. also in the programme tonight, we will bring you the latest on the migrant disaster off the coast of southern greece. at least 78 people have died, but numbers could continue to rise, with survivors sugesting as many as 750 people may have been packed on to the boat, with reports of 100 children in the hold. the eu's flagship environment law to restore biodiversity on land and rivers is hanging by a thread after a group of right—wing meps push back on the plans to increase rewilding and conservation acrous the bloc.
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and nato defence leaders meet to discuss ongoing support for ukraine, including a training timeline for the vital f16 fighterjets kyiv has been pleading for to help with their counteroffensive. but first, for the next half hour, we are going to focus in on a monumental day here in uk politics — the release of the parliamentary report into borisjohnson. the report by the privileges committee found that the former prime minister deliberately and repeatedly misled mps about parties at 10 downing street when coronavirus lockdown measures were in place. the committee says it would have recommended suspending him as an mp for 90 days if he hadn't already stood down from the role after he saw the report last week. it also recommends the former pm should not get a pass which allows ex—mps to access parliament after they leave. mrjohnson has admitted his statements about the parties misled parliament, but denied doing
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so intentionally or recklessly, saying, "this is rubbish. this is a lie." we will have some reaction to the report shortly, but first, here's our political editor chris mason. so many chapters of borisjohnson�*s life have his relationship with the truth running straight through them. today, the latest chapter. a committee of his peers throwing the book at him. was he honest about what went on in downing street during the very covid restrictions he'd imposed on the rest of us? all guidance was followed completely during number 10. really? there was no party, and that no covid rules were broken. a senior civil servant, sue gray, investigated. so, too, the police. today, another page turns. the conclusion —
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devastating for mrjohnson. let's be blunt, this report concludes that he lied. it says he deliberately misled mps, he deliberately misled the committee. he breached their confidence by saying out loud what was in their report before they did and that he was complicit in a campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation of the committee. look at what else the committee had to say. it takes aim at the frequency with which he closed his mind to the truth. and it said some of mrjohnson�*s denials and explanations were so disingenuous that they were deliberate attempts to mislead. is this the end, mrjohnson? we're shouting at borisjohnson because he said no to an interview. he put out a written statement instead claiming the report is rubbish, a lie, deranged, absurd
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and complete tripe. have you run out of road? and, he said... you've been there and seen it with your own eyes. harriet harman is the labour mp who chaired this investigation. he claims she was prejudiced against him from the outset given things she had previously said. the report says its members were informed by the facts. jacob rees—mogg was knighted by borisjohnson and served in his cabinet. what did he make of the report? well, i think it's overbaked. i think they want to find the worst at every possible opportunity, and i think it shows a degree of vindictiveness that does not work to the committee's favour or advantage. is this the end for borisjohnson,
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no way back from this? there's easily a way back. because the great virtue of our system is that parliament can chuck you out, can chuck you out again and suspend you, but if voters send you back, then back you come. the report today came out at 9am, but the prime minister managed to find himself in front of the cameras earlier than that. wanting to look like he's getting on with the job on an immigration raid in west london. you're talking about a report that i haven't seen and no one else has seen. it wouldn't right to comment on it in advance of it coming out and being published. so he didn't fancy saying very much, but little tongue tie from the opposition parties today. borisjohnson is not only a lawbreaker, but a liar. | he's not fit for public office, and he's disgraced himself. and continues to act - like a pound shop trump in the way in which he tries to discredit anybody- who criticises his actions. he's built his entire career
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as a politician on being very shady with the truth, and what the committee has found is that he purposely lied to parliament as prime minister. today, the final page turns on the former prime minister, covid rule—breaking and the truth. the big question is whether the book is now closed for good on boris johnson. chris mason, bbc news, at westminster. thanks to chris there. there's a lot of detail in the report. 0ur political correspondent jonathan blake has been looking at some key bits and is in the newsroom with more. the committee's report has looked in detail at six events to establish whether in their eyes borisjohnson deliberately misled mps when he said rules had been followed at all times. there are pictures inside the published report, this one from the 19th ofjune 2020 in the cabinet room. you can see the prime minister and others at the time there. let's take a look at what the committee had to say about an event slightly earlier
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in the downing street garden, the infamous "bring your own booze" drinks in the garden in number 10 in may 2020. the committee highlights concerns from some senior officials about whether it should go ahead, the social nature of the gathering they say should have been obvious because there was trestle tables, alcohol available, people from outside number 10 including carriejohnson, borisjohnson�*s wife, and they say the number of people increased while mrjohnson was there. so they say it can't be considered to have been essential for work purposes in the committee's eyes, and borisjohnson, they suggest, would not have advised the public at the time that that sort of event was essential for work purposes had he been asked. let's talk about then why the committee believes that and other breaches of the rules and borisjohnson�*s assertions about them constitutes contempt of parliament. in other words, getting in the way of parliament doing its job. the committee talks here on page 61, paragraph 201 about his "disingenuousness" in terms of his responses to the inquiry.
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the committee says, "his personal knowledge of breaches of the rules and guidance combined with his repeated failures to investigate, seek assurances and a deliberate of his mind," the committee says, "or at least reckless behaviour means that it's highly unlikely that if he given any reflection," they say, "to these matters, he could've believed the assertions that he made to the house at the time when he was making them." that is what the committee has found borisjohnson to have deliberately misled the house of commons. that alone would've got borisjohnson a severe punishment recommendation by the committee, at least ten days' suspension, but they've gone further. and the reason for that is boris johnson's statements and behaviour since he was sent the draft report last week and his resignation as an mp which followed. and in doing that, the committee have gone back to a letter he sent them after giving oral evidence in march of this year, where borisjohnson says,
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"i have the utmost respect for the integrity of the committee and its members." they contrast that with his language in the last few days, talking about "kangaroo courts" and "witch hunts", and they said that borisjohnson has used precisely those abusive terms and they have no doubt he was insincere in his attempts to distance himself from the campaign of abuse and intimidation that members of this committee have found. and that, they say, is a further significant contempt. that's what it's that 90—day suspension that they've recommended together with borisjohnson losing his parliamentary pass for good. those punishments will be debated and voted on by mps on monday. now we'll here from conservative mp michael fabricant, a close supporter of borisjohnson�*s over the years. what i am concerned about is that a number of people have criticised others who have impugned the nature of the privileges committee. and what i do want to say was that i was there when borisjohnson gave
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evidence to the committee. now that committee stands in a quasijudicial role, like a court ofjustice, and when boris johnson was answering questions, i could see members of the committee — not all of them, some of them behaved with great dignity as jurors would do in a court — but some of them were pulling faces, looking skywards, turning their backs on boris johnson. and, you know, justice doesn't just have to be done, it has to be seen to be done. we have a great panel to discuss it all — justine greening, former conservative cabinet minister, joe twyman, who is the co—founder and director of the public opinion consultancy deltapoll, and claire pearsall, conservative political commentator and former home office special adviser. let me start with you, is this the end of borisjohnson�*s political career? i end of boris johnson's political career? ~ �* , ., ,
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career? i think it's the end of his olitical career? i think it's the end of his political career _ career? i think it's the end of his political career within _ career? i think it's the end of his political career within the - political career within the conservative _ political career within the conservative party - political career within the conservative party but i political career within the | conservative party but we political career within the - conservative party but we can political career within the _ conservative party but we can never rule out _ conservative party but we can never rule out him — conservative party but we can never rule out him going _ conservative party but we can never rule out him going on— conservative party but we can never rule out him going on to _ conservative party but we can never rule out him going on to other- rule out him going on to other politicalm _ rule out him going on to other politicalm do_ rule out him going on to other political- - -_ rule out him going on to other olitical. .. i. ~ ., . �* political... do you know what, i'm auoin to political... do you know what, i'm going to jump _ political... do you know what, i'm going to jump in _ political... do you know what, i'm going to jump in there _ political... do you know what, i'm going to jump in there because i political... do you know what, i'm l going to jump in there because your line is picking up a little bit and we will reconnect with you and get a better line with you and come back and get your thoughts. let me turn to you, joe. i was reading something before i came up about another pole that was that i would like your thoughts on this. this was james johnson, also a pollster. he was saying that only 17% say they have a positive view of borisjohnson. 62% have a negative view and for context that means more shots and is more unpopular with the british public than phillip schofield or the president of china. do you think that's appropriate?— president of china. do you think that's appropriate? there is lots of ollin: that's appropriate? there is lots of polling that — that's appropriate? there is lots of polling that has — that's appropriate? there is lots of polling that has not _ that's appropriate? there is lots of polling that has not changed - that's appropriate? there is lots of polling that has not changed much| that's appropriate? there is lots of l polling that has not changed much in the public view on borisjohnson for some time now. and i imagine that this latest revelation will simply reinforce the view that many people
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have, a majority, a clear majority thought he had lied to parliament. the majority people, again a clear majority, thought these parties had taken place in not accordance with the rules. and so we find ourselves in a situation where simply what many people believed has been confirmed. but that remains a proportion of people, around about 15-20%, proportion of people, around about 15—20%, who believed borisjohnson thatis 15—20%, who believed borisjohnson that is not enough to build any kind of political come back on. worth remembering that even during the 20 19th general election, the pier with many lauded borisjohnson of his performance, his personal ratings were still below that of theresa may during the 2017 general election campaign. so he was less popular than theresa may but was more popular thanjeremy than theresa may but was more popular than jeremy corbyn significantly which gave him a strong position at the time. but whilstjeremy corbyn left the scene,
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his popularity once brexit was done and once the immediate aftermath of covid left us, he was in a situation where his personal ratings began to fall and fall fast for some of the time he left office, he was as unpopular as theresa may had been there in the collapse of her brexit dipped and margaret thatcher during the poll tax. dipped and margaret thatcher during the oll tax. , . , dipped and margaret thatcher during the oll tax. , . _ ., ,., dipped and margaret thatcher during the oll tax. , . _ ., h, ., the poll tax. james johnson who i was mentioning _ the poll tax. james johnson who i was mentioning there _ the poll tax. james johnson who i was mentioning there was - the poll tax. james johnson who i was mentioning there was an - the poll tax. james johnson who i i was mentioning there was an adviser to theresa may but let me turn to you, justine, for a moment. were you surprised by the length of the suspension if in fact he were still in office? , . , suspension if in fact he were still in office? , ., .. ., , in office? yes, i was actually. i think it was — in office? yes, i was actually. i think it was clear _ in office? yes, i was actually. i think it was clear from - in office? yes, i was actually. i think it was clear from boris'sl think it was clear from boris's reaction — think it was clear from boris's reaction last friday to resign from parliament, which of course is one of the _ parliament, which of course is one of the reasons why the suspension has been _ of the reasons why the suspension has been made higher because actually— has been made higher because actually that was content and licking — actually that was content and licking the report before it was out, _ licking the report before it was out, but — licking the report before it was out, but i _ licking the report before it was out, but i was surprised because i think— out, but i was surprised because i think david — out, but i was surprised because i think david cameron once described boris _ think david cameron once described boris as— think david cameron once described boris as the greased piglet. he was always— boris as the greased piglet. he was always able to get out of any tricky
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situation _ always able to get out of any tricky situation he was in, so i think there — situation he was in, so i think there was_ situation he was in, so i think there was this question whether somehow— there was this question whether somehow he had would perhaps get a suspension _ somehow he had would perhaps get a suspension that will be less than ten days — suspension that will be less than ten days. and then clearly 90 days shows _ ten days. and then clearly 90 days shows a _ ten days. and then clearly 90 days shows a committee has done a very thorough _ shows a committee has done a very thoroughjob, but i think since friday— thoroughjob, but i think since friday last week have significantly upped _ friday last week have significantly upped the penalty in the sanction. interesting let me go back to you, claire, as i think we have recanted with a line. you were saying that you believe there is some sort of future may be political but not in the conservative party, did i hear that right? the conservative party, did i hear that riuht? ., . . that right? you did hear that right. i think that boris _ that right? you did hear that right. i think that boris johnson - that right? you did hear that right. i think that boris johnson will - i think that boris johnson will always— i think that boris johnson will always be _ i think that boris johnson will always be around _ i think that boris johnson will always be around politics - i think that boris johnson will always be around politicsjust i think that boris johnson will - always be around politicsjust not in the _ always be around politicsjust not in the conservative _ always be around politicsjust not in the conservative party. - always be around politicsjust not in the conservative party. he - always be around politicsjust not in the conservative party. he is. always be around politicsjust not. in the conservative party. he is not willing _ in the conservative party. he is not willing to _ in the conservative party. he is not willing to go — in the conservative party. he is not willing to go quietly. _ in the conservative party. he is not willing to go quietly. and _ in the conservative party. he is not willing to go quietly. and as we - willing to go quietly. and as we have _ willing to go quietly. and as we have seen— willing to go quietly. and as we have seen from _ willing to go quietly. and as we have seen from around - willing to go quietly. and as we have seen from around the - willing to go quietly. and as we i have seen from around the world willing to go quietly. and as we - have seen from around the world with other— have seen from around the world with other political— have seen from around the world with other political leaders, _ have seen from around the world with other political leaders, especially- other political leaders, especially across _ other political leaders, especially across the — other political leaders, especially across the pond, _ other political leaders, especially across the pond, they _ other political leaders, especially across the pond, they do - other political leaders, especially across the pond, they do kind - other political leaders, especially across the pond, they do kind ofi across the pond, they do kind of hang _ across the pond, they do kind of hang around _ across the pond, they do kind of hang around if— across the pond, they do kind of hang around if they _ across the pond, they do kind of hang around if they think- across the pond, they do kind of| hang around if they think they've done _ hang around if they think they've done nothing _ hang around if they think they've done nothing wrong. _ hang around if they think they've done nothing wrong. and - hang around if they think they've done nothing wrong. and boris l done nothing wrong. and boris johnson — done nothing wrong. and boris johnson has _ done nothing wrong. and boris johnson has always _
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done nothing wrong. and boris johnson has always maintained done nothing wrong. and boris - johnson has always maintained that he has _ johnson has always maintained that he has done — johnson has always maintained that he has done nothing _ johnson has always maintained that he has done nothing wrong - johnson has always maintained that he has done nothing wrong so - johnson has always maintained that he has done nothing wrong so he i johnson has always maintained that i he has done nothing wrong so he was at this— he has done nothing wrong so he was at this as _ he has done nothing wrong so he was at this as a _ he has done nothing wrong so he was at this as a massive _ he has done nothing wrong so he was at this as a massive injustice and - at this as a massive injustice and will look— at this as a massive injustice and will look to— at this as a massive injustice and will look to try _ at this as a massive injustice and will look to try and _ at this as a massive injustice and will look to try and put _ at this as a massive injustice and will look to try and put that - will look to try and put that right. whether— will look to try and put that right. whether the _ will look to try and put that right. whether the voters— will look to try and put that right. whether the voters of— will look to try and put that right. whether the voters of the - will look to try and put that right. whether the voters of the uk - whether the voters of the uk are ready— whether the voters of the uk are ready for— whether the voters of the uk are ready for that _ whether the voters of the uk are ready for that or— whether the voters of the uk are ready for that or indeed - whether the voters of the uk are ready for that or indeed want - whether the voters of the uk are | ready for that or indeed want that remains _ ready for that or indeed want that remains to— ready for that or indeed want that remains to he— ready for that or indeed want that remains to be seen, _ ready for that or indeed want that remains to be seen, but- ready for that or indeed want that remains to be seen, but i- ready for that or indeed want that remains to be seen, but i do- ready for that or indeed want that| remains to be seen, but i do think the level— remains to be seen, but i do think the level of— remains to be seen, but i do think the level of self—confidence - remains to be seen, but i do think the level of self—confidence and l the level of self—confidence and arrogance — the level of self—confidence and arrogance will _ the level of self—confidence and arrogance will push _ the level of self—confidence and arrogance will push them - the level of self—confidence and . arrogance will push them forward. what _ arrogance will push them forward. what about — arrogance will push them forward. what about the _ arrogance will push them forward. what about the language - arrogance will push them forward. what about the language that - arrogance will push them forward. what about the language that has| what about the language that has been used? many people are signalling the parallels between that and that across the pond of donald trump of course. he called a kangaroo court and other people like donald trump would have called some of the procedures against him as a witch hunt. do you think that plays well with the british public, joe? no, i don't think that does but i don't think it's necessarily aimed at the british public generally. it's aimed at his supporters, and for me the conservative party now has what i think is best described as a life of brian problem, a of conservative and peace, of supporters, of voters believe that borisjohnson is the messiah. and in
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contrast there is a proportion of conservative mps, supporters and members who believe that boris johnson is not the messiah, he is a very naughty boy. and that division is hugely problematic for the party because the spectre, even if it's not in a party political sense but in a broad political sense, the spectre of borisjohnson hanging around attempting to preserve the myth of his leadership and legacy could be hugely damaging notjust to rishi sunak but the conservatives at the next general election and potentially for elections to comp. let me turn back to you, messiah, greased piglet, naughty boy and these are some of the terms we've heard so far it only our 50 minutes into the programme. what do you think the conservative party will do when it comes to this boat that the privileges committee of course have recommended? if it privileges committee of course have recommended?— privileges committee of course have recommended? if it was a functioning conservative — recommended? if it was a functioning conservative party _
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recommended? if it was a functioning conservative party parliament, - recommended? if it was a functioning conservative party parliament, it - conservative party parliament, it would _ conservative party parliament, it would accept the work is done by the committee _ would accept the work is done by the committee it set up and then vote it through _ committee it set up and then vote it through i_ committee it set up and then vote it through. i think it remains to be seen _ through. i think it remains to be seen what — through. i think it remains to be seen what will actually happen, but ithink— seen what will actually happen, but i thinkjoe — seen what will actually happen, but i thinkjoe is right. i seen what will actually happen, but ithinkjoe is right. i paid seen what will actually happen, but i thinkjoe is right. i paid the conservative party faces some really tough _ conservative party faces some really tough times ahead unless it's able tough times ahead unless it's able to actually— tough times ahead unless it's able to actually get a grip on some of these _ to actually get a grip on some of these challenges within the party that constantly are pretrade to an outside _ that constantly are pretrade to an outside world as if it's in the midst— outside world as if it's in the midst of— outside world as if it's in the midst of some civil war. divided parties — midst of some civil war. divided parties lose elections, and therefore it's very important over therefore it's very important over the coming weeks and months that rishi sunak is in to get a grip on this _ rishi sunak is in to get a grip on this ithink— rishi sunak is in to get a grip on this. i think we started to see that perhaps— this. i think we started to see that perhaps earlier this week, but i think— perhaps earlier this week, but i thinkjoe — perhaps earlier this week, but i thinkjoe is right, and clarence wright, — thinkjoe is right, and clarence wright, borisjohnson when he feels wrong _ wright, borisjohnson when he feels wrong will— wright, borisjohnson when he feels wrong will feel very angry and it won't _ wrong will feel very angry and it won't be — wrong will feel very angry and it won't be his instinct tojust as it were _ won't be his instinct tojust as it were shut up and go away is my great friend _ were shut up and go away is my great friend tim _ were shut up and go away is my great friend tim loughton, mp for worthing, suggested. ithink friend tim loughton, mp for worthing, suggested. i think he friend tim loughton, mp for worthing, suggested. ithink he is going _ worthing, suggested. ithink he is going to _ worthing, suggested. ithink he is going to stay around likely unless of course — going to stay around likely unless of course he really concludes that he is _ of course he really concludes that he is not — of course he really concludes that he is not going to be able to win again. _ he is not going to be able to win again. and i_
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he is not going to be able to win again, and i think if there's one thing _ again, and i think if there's one thing that— again, and i think if there's one thing that runs through all of his career— thing that runs through all of his career is — thing that runs through all of his career is this need to win and be popular. and i think if the polls release — popular. and i think if the polls release state they are where 59% of people _ release state they are where 59% of people in _ release state they are where 59% of people in a — release state they are where 59% of people in a yougov poll think that boris _ people in a yougov poll think that boris did to literally mislead parliament, that i think it will be perhaps— parliament, that i think it will be perhaps much more what's in the conservative party that dictates the future _ conservative party that dictates the future. , . ., future. interesting. women turned back to you. _ future. interesting. women turned back to you, claire, _ future. interesting. women turned back to you, claire, because - future. interesting. women turned back to you, claire, because of - future. interesting. women turnedj back to you, claire, because of the infighting and it civil war is a term i've heard as well a number of times but that will beat by elections it will take place. nadine dories instead is still holding out. she was going to resign with immediate effect but now she wants to know exactly what happened with the potential peerage so how damaging are these various strands they are emanating from boris johnson shall we say if not about him specifically? it’s johnson shall we say if not about him specifically?— him specifically? it's very damaging... _ him specifically? it's very damaging... to _ him specifically? it's very damaging... to set - him specifically? it's very damaging... to set you l him specifically? it's very . damaging... to set you were him specifically? it's very - damaging... to set you were going him specifically? it's very _ damaging... to set you were going to resign— damaging... to set you were going to resign vou _ damaging... to set you were going to resign you work — damaging... to set you were going to resign you work going _ damaging... to set you were going to resign you work going to _ damaging... to set you were going to resign you work going to reside - resign you work going to reside with immediate _ resign you work going to reside with immediate effect— resign you work going to reside with immediate effect within _ resign you work going to reside with immediate effect within say - resign you work going to reside with immediate effect within say no - resign you work going to reside with| immediate effect within say no there is information— immediate effect within say no there is information i— immediate effect within say no there is information i want— immediate effect within say no there is information i want first _ immediate effect within say no there is information i want first and - immediate effect within say no there is information i want first and i'm - is information i want first and i'm going to — is information i want first and i'm going to hold _ is information i want first and i'm going to hold out— is information i want first and i'm going to hold out is— is information i want first and i'm going to hold out is incredibly- going to hold out is incredibly damaging _ going to hold out is incredibly damaging you _ going to hold out is incredibly damaging. you are _ going to hold out is incredibly
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damaging. you are looking i going to hold out is incredibly damaging. you are looking as going to hold out is incredibly. damaging. you are looking as a going to hold out is incredibly- damaging. you are looking as a party to put— damaging. you are looking as a party to put together— damaging. you are looking as a party to put together a _ damaging. you are looking as a party to put together a timetable - damaging. you are looking as a party to put together a timetable for - damaging. you are looking as a party to put together a timetable for a - to put together a timetable for a violation — to put together a timetable for a violation and as _ to put together a timetable for a violation and as we _ to put together a timetable for a violation and as we have - to put together a timetable for a violation and as we have seen i to put together a timetable for a | violation and as we have seen we have _ violation and as we have seen we have the — violation and as we have seen we have the day— violation and as we have seen we have the day of— violation and as we have seen we have the day of the _ violation and as we have seen we have the day of the 20th - violation and as we have seen we have the day of the 20th of - violation and as we have seen we have the day of the 20th ofjuly l violation and as we have seen we i have the day of the 20th ofjuly for two of— have the day of the 20th ofjuly for two of those — have the day of the 20th ofjuly for two of those. so _ have the day of the 20th ofjuly for two of those. so to _ have the day of the 20th ofjuly for two of those. so to have _ have the day of the 20th ofjuly for two of those. so to have one - have the day of the 20th ofjuly for. two of those. so to have one hanging over you _ two of those. so to have one hanging over you throughout _ two of those. so to have one hanging over you throughout the _ two of those. so to have one hanging over you throughout the summer - two of those. so to have one hanging over you throughout the summer and the quieter— over you throughout the summer and the quieter months— over you throughout the summer and the quieter months and _ over you throughout the summer and the quieter months and leaving - over you throughout the summer and the quieter months and leaving a - the quieter months and leaving a massive — the quieter months and leaving a massive vacuum _ the quieter months and leaving a massive vacuum within _ the quieter months and leaving a massive vacuum within the - the quieter months and leaving a | massive vacuum within the party, within— massive vacuum within the party, within the — massive vacuum within the party, within the media _ massive vacuum within the party, within the media and _ massive vacuum within the party, within the media and all- massive vacuum within the party, within the media and all of - massive vacuum within the party, within the media and all of the i massive vacuum within the party, i within the media and all of the rest of it, _ within the media and all of the rest of it. then — within the media and all of the rest of it. then you— within the media and all of the rest of it, then you are _ within the media and all of the rest of it, then you are looking - within the media and all of the rest of it, then you are looking at- of it, then you are looking at something in— of it, then you are looking at something in the _ of it, then you are looking at something in the autumn - of it, then you are looking at. something in the autumn where of it, then you are looking at- something in the autumn where it's going _ something in the autumn where it's going to _ something in the autumn where it's going to he — something in the autumn where it's going to be filled _ something in the autumn where it's going to be filled with _ something in the autumn where it's going to be filled with those - something in the autumn where it's going to be filled with those people who can _ going to be filled with those people who can make — going to be filled with those people who can make the _ going to be filled with those people who can make the most— going to be filled with those people who can make the most noise. - going to be filled with those people who can make the most noise. and| who can make the most noise. and sadly— who can make the most noise. and sadlv for— who can make the most noise. and sadlv for the — who can make the most noise. and sadly for the party, _ who can make the most noise. and sadly for the party, and _ who can make the most noise. and sadly for the party, and justin - who can make the most noise. and sadly for the party, and justin is. sadly for the party, and justin is really— sadly for the party, and justin is really quite _ sadly for the party, and justin is really quite right, _ sadly for the party, and justin is really quite right, divided - sadly for the party, and justin isl really quite right, divided parties don't _ really quite right, divided parties don't win— really quite right, divided parties don't win elections _ really quite right, divided parties don't win elections and _ really quite right, divided parties don't win elections and all- really quite right, divided parties| don't win elections and all people are sitting — don't win elections and all people are sitting at _ don't win elections and all people are sitting at the _ don't win elections and all people are sitting at the moment- don't win elections and all people are sitting at the moment is- don't win elections and all people are sitting at the moment is a - don't win elections and all people i are sitting at the moment is a prime minister— are sitting at the moment is a prime minister who— are sitting at the moment is a prime minister who is— are sitting at the moment is a prime minister who is not— are sitting at the moment is a prime minister who is not really— are sitting at the moment is a prime minister who is not really said - are sitting at the moment is a prime minister who is not really said very. minister who is not really said very much _ minister who is not really said very much he — minister who is not really said very much. he started _ minister who is not really said very much. he started to _ minister who is not really said very much. he started to and _ minister who is not really said very much. he started to and now- minister who is not really said very much. he started to and now he i minister who is not really said very. much. he started to and now he has gone _ much. he started to and now he has gone silent, — much. he started to and now he has gone silent, and _ much. he started to and now he has gone silent, and a _ much. he started to and now he has gone silent, and a party— much. he started to and now he has gone silent, and a party that- much. he started to and now he has gone silent, and a party that is- gone silent, and a party that is 'ust gone silent, and a party that is just imploding _ gone silent, and a party that is just imploding. infe— gone silent, and a party that is just imploding-— gone silent, and a party that is 'ust imlodinu. . . ., ~ . just imploding. we heard from angela ra ner but just imploding. we heard from angela rayner but we — just imploding. we heard from angela rayner but we have _ just imploding. we heard from angela rayner but we have not _ just imploding. we heard from angela rayner but we have not heard - just imploding. we heard from angela rayner but we have not heard that. rayner but we have not heard that much from sir keir starmer and maybe this is an open go for him and he does not need to say anything. do you think that's a strategy he's taking to begin with? i’m you think that's a strategy he's taking to begin with?— you think that's a strategy he's taking to begin with? i'm not sure it is a strategy- — taking to begin with? i'm not sure it is a strategy. i _
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taking to begin with? i'm not sure it is a strategy. i think, _ taking to begin with? i'm not sure it is a strategy. i think, it - taking to begin with? i'm not sure it is a strategy. i think, it does - it is a strategy. i think, it does not know— it is a strategy. i think, it does not know quite _ it is a strategy. i think, it does not know quite how _ it is a strategy. i think, it does not know quite how to - it is a strategy. i think, it does not know quite how to react. l it is a strategy. i think, it does i not know quite how to react. we don't _ not know quite how to react. we don't want — not know quite how to react. we don't want to _ not know quite how to react. we don't want to get _ not know quite how to react. we don't want to get boris - not know quite how to react. we don't want to get boris johnsonl not know quite how to react. we - don't want to get boris johnson head space. _ don't want to get boris johnson head space, more — don't want to get boris johnson head space, more air— don't want to get boris johnson head space, more air time, _ don't want to get boris johnson head space, more air time, more - space, more airtime, more attention, _ space, more airtime, more attention, but— space, more airtime, more attention, but the _ space, more airtime, more attention, but the reverse l space, more air time, morei attention, but the reverse of space, more air time, more - attention, but the reverse of that then brings — attention, but the reverse of that then brings out _ attention, but the reverse of that then brings out those _ attention, but the reverse of that then brings out those people - attention, but the reverse of that| then brings out those people who were _ then brings out those people who were close — then brings out those people who were close to _ then brings out those people who were close to him _ then brings out those people who were close to him who _ then brings out those people who were close to him who feel- then brings out those people who were close to him who feel he - then brings out those people who were close to him who feel he is. were close to him who feel he is been _ were close to him who feel he is been wronged _ were close to him who feel he is been wronged and _ were close to him who feel he is been wronged and they- were close to him who feel he is been wronged and they take - were close to him who feel he isl been wronged and they take over were close to him who feel he is- been wronged and they take over the narrative some _ been wronged and they take over the narrative. some of— been wronged and they take over the narrative. some of the _ been wronged and they take over the narrative. some of the key— been wronged and they take over the narrative. some of the key if- been wronged and they take over the narrative. some of the key if you - narrative. some of the key if you are trying — narrative. some of the key if you are trying to _ narrative. some of the key if you are trying to lead _ narrative. some of the key if you are trying to lead a _ narrative. some of the key if you are trying to lead a party - narrative. some of the key if you are trying to lead a party and - are trying to lead a party and trying to— are trying to lead a party and trying to leave _ are trying to lead a party and trying to leave the _ are trying to lead a party and trying to leave the country, i are trying to lead a party and . trying to leave the country, you need _ trying to leave the country, you need to — trying to leave the country, you need to be _ trying to leave the country, you need to be ahead _ trying to leave the country, you need to be ahead of— trying to leave the country, you need to be ahead of that - trying to leave the country, you need to be ahead of that game| trying to leave the country, you - need to be ahead of that game and be ahead _ need to be ahead of that game and be ahead of— need to be ahead of that game and be ahead of the _ need to be ahead of that game and be ahead of the narrative. _ need to be ahead of that game and be ahead of the narrative. you _ need to be ahead of that game and be ahead of the narrative. you need - need to be ahead of that game and be ahead of the narrative. you need to. ahead of the narrative. you need to be setting _ ahead of the narrative. you need to be setting the — ahead of the narrative. you need to be setting the agenda _ ahead of the narrative. you need to be setting the agenda and - be setting the agenda and unfortunately _ be setting the agenda and unfortunately we - be setting the agenda and unfortunately we have - be setting the agenda and unfortunately we have not be setting the agenda and - unfortunately we have not had be setting the agenda and _ unfortunately we have not had much of that _ unfortunately we have not had much of that the — unfortunately we have not had much of that. the agenda _ unfortunately we have not had much of that. the agenda for _ unfortunately we have not had much of that. the agenda for press - of that. the agenda for press releasing. _ of that. the agenda for press releasing, for— of that. the agenda for press releasing, for broadcast - of that. the agenda for press . releasing, for broadcast rounds of that. the agenda for press - releasing, for broadcast rounds has been _ releasing, for broadcast rounds has been infinitely— releasing, for broadcast rounds has been infinitely woeful— releasing, for broadcast rounds has been infinitely woeful now - releasing, for broadcast rounds has been infinitely woeful now for - releasing, for broadcast rounds has| been infinitely woeful now for some time _ been infinitely woeful now for some time some — been infinitely woeful now for some time. some unless— been infinitely woeful now for some time. some unless they _ been infinitely woeful now for some time. some unless they get - been infinitely woeful now for some time. some unless they get a - been infinitely woeful now for some time. some unless they get a much slicker— time. some unless they get a much slicker operation, _ time. some unless they get a much slicker operation, he _ time. some unless they get a much slicker operation, he is— time. some unless they get a much slicker operation, he is always - slicker operation, he is always going — slicker operation, he is always going to — slicker operation, he is always going to be _ slicker operation, he is always going to be on _ slicker operation, he is always going to be on the _ slicker operation, he is always going to be on the back- slicker operation, he is always going to be on the back foot . slicker operation, he is always i going to be on the back foot with boris _ going to be on the back foot with borisjohnson front— going to be on the back foot with boris johnson front and - going to be on the back foot with - boris johnson front and centre where he likes— boris johnson front and centre where he likes to _ boris johnson front and centre where he likes to be — boris johnson front and centre where he likes to be l— boris johnson front and centre where he likes to be— he likes to be. i thought it was interesting _ he likes to be. i thought it was interesting with _ he likes to be. i thought it was interesting with rishi - he likes to be. i thought it was interesting with rishi sunak. he likes to be. i thought it was i interesting with rishi sunak today were they talked about the report and whether he had read it or not. and he was deflecting it, but he was atan immigration and he was deflecting it, but he was at an immigration raid also dressed in some of the clothing as we saw a little earlier in the clip. what
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about that? what you think you need to do with the moment because it feels like a pivotal moment for the party? he feels like a pivotal moment for the -a ? feels like a pivotal moment for the .a ? ., feels like a pivotal moment for the -a ? ., ., _ ., , party? he will need to not pylons also is a long _ party? he will need to not pylons also is a long report _ party? he will need to not pylons also is a long report but - party? he will need to not pylons also is a long report but he - party? he will need to not pylons also is a long report but he is - also is a long report but he is going to _ also is a long report but he is going to have to collate set out what he's — going to have to collate set out what he's doing and he has a decision— what he's doing and he has a decision on whether he is at that bow on— decision on whether he is at that bow on monday. and i think you have 'ust bow on monday. and i think you have just got— bow on monday. and i think you have just got this — bow on monday. and i think you have just got this contrast between boris johnson. a — just got this contrast between boris johnson, a man who had a vision but no real plans — johnson, a man who had a vision but no real plans for brexit or i would argue _ no real plans for brexit or i would argue levelling up, and then rishi sunak. _ argue levelling up, and then rishi sunak. he — argue levelling up, and then rishi sunak, he was got plans on things like small— sunak, he was got plans on things like small boats but has not really set out _ like small boats but has not really set out a — like small boats but has not really set out a vision and i think the problem — set out a vision and i think the problem is _ set out a vision and i think the problem is that until rishi sunak sets out— problem is that until rishi sunak sets out a — problem is that until rishi sunak sets out a much more clear and compelling vision of where he wants britain _ compelling vision of where he wants britain to— compelling vision of where he wants britain to go, where he thinks this country— britain to go, where he thinks this country should go next, then he is going _ country should go next, then he is going to _ country should go next, then he is going to find it very hard to compete _ going to find it very hard to compete with this boris johnson personality that is all about the zeitgeist — personality that is all about the zeitgeist and is why he was able to be so _ zeitgeist and is why he was able to be so successful in the last election~ _ be so successful in the last election. so it really is this compare _ election. so it really is this compare and contrast between the two
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leaders. _ compare and contrast between the two leaders, and of course the best leaders will have both vision and the ability— leaders will have both vision and the ability to put the plans in place — the ability to put the plans in place that transform a country. but i’i l ht place that transform a country. but right now _ place that transform a country. but right now it — place that transform a country. but right now it is comparable and i think— right now it is comparable and i think the — right now it is comparable and i think the best thing for it rishi sunak— think the best thing for it rishi sunak is to deal with the situation but then— sunak is to deal with the situation but then set out the compelling vision _ but then set out the compelling vision that really takes the air out of and _ vision that really takes the air out of and away from boris johnson to causativ— of and away from boris johnson to causally dominate the agenda. i don't _ causally dominate the agenda. i don't think we are going to the end of this— don't think we are going to the end of this book is actually the privileges committee itself is going to be so— privileges committee itself is going to be so incensed with some of the pressure _ to be so incensed with some of the pressure and intimidation, abuse it called _ pressure and intimidation, abuse it called it. _ pressure and intimidation, abuse it called it, this being put under in recent— called it, this being put under in recent days and weeks and it's going to do— recent days and weeks and it's going to do a _ recent days and weeks and it's going to do a further report on that. so we are _ to do a further report on that. so we are going to see what has happened really rubble on an as claire says over the summer and into the autumn— claire says over the summer and into the autumn and that's the last thing really— the autumn and that's the last thing really rishi sunak needs but the reality— really rishi sunak needs but the reality is— really rishi sunak needs but the reality is unless he gets a grip on the situation himself, then that will be — the situation himself, then that will be the narrative that he is having — will be the narrative that he is having to _ will be the narrative that he is having to deal with.— will be the narrative that he is having to deal with. what about that, having to deal with. what about that. joe? _ having to deal with. what about that, joe? what _ having to deal with. what about that, joe? what about - having to deal with. what about that, joe? what about the - having to deal with. what about i that, joe? what about the position of a rishi sunak? how to the public at large or the conservative party
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indeed seen this? he at large or the conservative party indeed seen this?— at large or the conservative party indeed seen this? he is seen as less --oular indeed seen this? he is seen as less popular than — indeed seen this? he is seen as less popularthan keir— indeed seen this? he is seen as less popular than keir starmer, - indeed seen this? he is seen as less popular than keir starmer, but - indeed seen this? he is seen as less popular than keir starmer, but he is| popular than keir starmer, but he is more popular than borisjohnson was certainly by the time boris left. he is not seen as securely dynamic or charismatic, but crucially very little relatively speaking if still not about him. he is not being in the position of law, and so he is not really been able to make inroads. but this whole situation presents two enormous difficulties for him. the first are the difficulties of the three or perhaps two violations which are all in conservative seats and could have an enormous momentum for the liberal party. there is that event but the more generally there if the problem of division and distraction. we talked about division and the difficulties of a divided party winning support among voters and certainly winning seats in an election. you then have the fact that as we've also talked about, you have all of this rambling on whether
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the privileges committee or boris johnson hanging over things like a bad smell, all of these prevent the conservative government from getting their policies, their ideas and rishi sunak�*s personality across. and with what is at most 18 months until the next general election, they need to make inroads to the labour lead and at the moment, it's very, very difficult to see how they do that. given all these distractions going on. they want to seize the initiative, they want to have the agenda, but it's very difficult to get it top of mind it. claire, the last word, what would you recommend if you are brought in tonight? get you recommend if you are brought in toniaht? , ,. , ., tonight? get some discipline into the -a . tonight? get some discipline into the partv- a _ tonight? get some discipline into the partv- a bit — tonight? get some discipline into the party. a bit of _ tonight? get some discipline into the party. a bit of responsibility i the party. a bit of responsibility collectively _ the party. a bit of responsibility collectively goes _ the party. a bit of responsibility collectively goes a _ the party. a bit of responsibility collectively goes a long - the party. a bit of responsibility collectively goes a long way. i the party. a bit of responsibility. collectively goes a long way. great words there- _ collectively goes a long way. great words there. thanks _ collectively goes a long way. great words there. thanks so _ collectively goes a long way. great words there. thanks so much - collectively goes a long way. great words there. thanks so much to i collectively goes a long way.- words there. thanks so much to all my guests and of course thatjoined us as it is one of the main story talked about today in the uk but there is more also on the bbc website and the apps on boris johnson and the timing of events
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that has happened since this morning and more analysis as well. do you stay with us here as we have a lot more to come. hello. for most of us, today has once again brought blue skies and warm sunshine. but there is a bit of a change on the way as we head towards the weekend, and that change is just starting to take shape in the atlantic. this swirl of cloud here, an area of low pressure moving towards our shores. and this little clump of cloud here is going to start to approach the south—west of england as we head through the night, so that could introduce one or two showers, the odd thunderstorm maybe. elsewhere dry with clear skies, one or two mist patches. a little bit chilly, actually, across parts of eastern scotland and north—east england. one or two places in the countryside could drop a little bit lower than those temperatures suggest. into friday, fine start for most, any early mist clearing, but we will see more cloud and the chance for showers or thunderstorms across western parts. so for south—west england,
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parts of wales, northern ireland, maybe getting across the irish sea, across the isle of man into north—west england and south—west scotland. but where you see sunshine, again it's going to feel very warm, 27—28 degrees and actually a little bit warmer than it has been of late for some north sea coasts. into the weekend, this area of low pressure, that swirl of cloud i showed you earlier, it starts to approach us from the west. the increasing chance of rain — heavy, thundery downpours in fact — but with some spells of warm sunshine in between. now, on saturday, most of the showers are likely to be out towards the west as that area of low pressure approaches. further east, not as many showers, more dry weather and sunshine, although some low cloud may well linger close to the coasts of norfolk and suffolk. temperature—wise, 22—25 degrees quite easily. it wouldn't surprise me at all if in the sunniest spots, it got a little warmer than that. and then into sunday, there's the chance that showers and thunderstorms may become a little more widespread, particularly down towards
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the south of the uk. in fact, we could see some more organised heavy, thundery rain later in the day. temperatures widely up into the low to mid—20 celsius. now, through sunday night, it does look like we could see an area of heavy and thundery rain driving its way northwards across the uk. and then as we head into monday, well, low pressure will be very much in charge of the scene. so that means some showers around, some thunderstorms. stays quite showery certainly through the first half of the week, maybe drier later, and remaining relatively warm.
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