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showers, even longer spells of rain. it on the warm side, not as hot as hot as it had been. this saturday's picture. most of the showers and thunderstorms will be out west and a few could affect the south—east, low cloud and mac affecting eastern coastal areas of england and north—eastern scotland but they will be a lot of sunshine towards the east. 25, maybe 26 degrees. a little cooler further west. then east. 25, maybe 26 degrees. a little coolerfurther west. then more cloud around, the chance of some thundery rain across southern britain spreading northwards through the day on sunday. some areas where they could be quite wet. more cloud, more showers around on sunday. not quite as warm, still above the seasonal norm, generally 20—23. as warm, still above the seasonal norm, generally 20—23 . and next week low—pressure to the rest of us, plenty showers around, particularly to the north and west but signs of it starting to turn sunnier and warmer again across england and wales towards the end of the week. stay tuned, see you later. stav, thank you very much. and that's it from the bbc news at ten.
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# you're everywhere and nowhere, baby. # that's where you're at. i swear by almighty god... i had to rely on... the evidence i shall give, what i was told, it shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. by my senior trusted advisers... so help me god. i took my cue from them. # lies are gonna get you some day. # just wait and see. # so open up your beach umbrella. # while you're watching tv. # and it's hi, ho silver lining. # and away you go, well, baby. # i see your sun is shining. # but i won't make a fuss. # though it's obvious. this fictional party
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was a business meeting. and it was not socially distanced. i was also furious to see that clip. add there will be disciplinary action for all those involved. # and it's hi, ho silver lining. # and away you go now baby. # i see your sun is shining. # but i won't make a fuss. # though it's obvious. # and it's hi ho silver lining...# good evening. the definition of a lie... to make a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive — an intentional untruth. the brutal report from the privileges committee today doesn't actually use the word, yet it painstakingly lays out how borisjohnson as prime minister intentionally misled the house of commons and the public when he said about gatherings
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at number 10 "all guidance had been followed completely". the reaction from mrjohnson? not humility or acceptance, let alone an apology, but a doubling down — taking a leaf, in the eyes of some, straight out of donald trump's playbook — the report's conclusions were rubbish, he said in a statement — a lie, deranged, a charade, a dreadful day for democracy. by this stage of the day you'll most likely know the detail of the report, so we won't dwell on that. instead, tonight we'll throw things forward to examine whether the former prime minister has any realistic chance of a future in politics after this, what the dysfunction within the conservative party might mean for the party's electoral fortunes. and we'll talk to a mother of a 14—year—old boy who died of leukaemia in the pandemic. his younger sibling couldn't visit him in hospital and she and her husband had to make painful decisions on spending time with him before he died. and we'll hear from a conservative mp who still supports borisjohnson. first, here's nick...
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sacked at times, abandoned by allies at other times, and then roaring back as a saviour to his admirers. a career of ups and downs. but as boris johnson finally met his match, after he was branded a liar in parliament? taking his leave to pursue a life of charitable works, after lying to parliament 60 years ago, jack profumo sought redemption by devoting himself to good works. humility which paved the way for a return to respectability. will you take responsibility for anything? _ not the approach of borisjohnson, who is castigating those standing in judgment over him. summer drinks for the cabinet at number 10. good to see you, nick, as ever. as ever. is it over for borisjohnson? but keeping their counsel. borisjohnson, is it overfor him?
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well, what's starting for me is a little reception here, so i'll have to catch you later, nick — catch you later. lovely to see. and maybe have a view on borisjohnson later. alex chalk, you are the lord chancellor. iam. you will understand what. .. you are thinking of a question, aren't you? what deliberately misleading parliament means, what do you think, does borisjohnson have a future? kemi badenoch, what do you think about borisjohnson, is it overfor him? honestly, i've been at an away day all day, i haven't read anything or heard any news, what's happened? he has deliberately misled parliament and been found in contempt. 0h, has he? yes. then i shall read the reports and see what it says. there's been a touch of trump on thames this week as borisjohnson has lashed out at those he regards as his tormentors. a political stitch up that's created a martyr of our times, say some of his allies. yes, quite trumpy, as borisjohnson
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seeks to reach beyond parliament to the tory grassroots as he eyes up an eventual political comeback. so here is how boris johnson might return. steer clear of parliament for now. the contempt findings would probably allow rishi sunak to block him standing as a conservative candidate, and anyway, allies sayjohnson has a vested interest in seeing the prime minister lose the election. believing that he has a touch of the churchill about him, borisjohnson will be hoping for his own winston is back moment, the party turning to him once again after an election defeat. friends are not giving up. why are we all talking about him? look, he is such a big political figure. he is, i must confess, annoys some of my colleagues, he is the biggest politicalfigure in british public life
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and he attracts people. he connects with people in a way other politicians don't. he is pretty much the only politician in this country who if he's walking along the street, people stop their cars and get out to shake him by the hand. that is not true, for better or worse, for most of us. will the prime minister tell the house whether there was a party in downing street on the 13th of november? a question that has echoed ever since. catherine west says it should be over for borisjohnson, and consequences, too, for his allies. we've seen a pattern now where it would be almost dangerous to allow somebody who doesn't seem to be able to tell the truth allowed back into a position in public life and i'm very disappointed that the current prime minister allowed through his list of cronies last week, when actually he knew what the report broadly was going to say. he knew how damning it was going to be but he couldn't stand up to borisjohnson and say no. we've obviously seen an indication that boris and nigel farage might finally do the deed and hold hands and run towards the people of england and say "vote for us!" if that's what they want to do,
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just get on with it but this trumpian playbook that they're going through at the moment, where you see some of the tory backbenchers who are probably going to lose their seats next year, wailing at the moon, suggesting some grand conspiracy here. wake up, realise that man's a liar, accept it and move on. i think it's quite unrealistic... a pollster does not hold out high hopes of a return. it's fairly clear that _ with the public, he has a very tainted brand and we've seen this since partygate but that's - especially true recently. so, for example, we did a poll last week and it was polling global- figures, but including some brits, and it found that he was more - unpopular than xi jinpingl and also phillip schofield, despite everything. i so 62% of the british public had | a negative view of boris johnson. so that is incredibly bad. the view from afar, biding his time in the shadows for now, as borisjohnson ponders his future. and we'll hear more from nick later.
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the report today concluded borisjohnson deliberately misled the house, deliberately misled the privileges committee, breached confidence, impugned the committee thereby undermining the democratic process of the house, and was complict in the campaign of abuse and attempted initimidation of the committee. we'll unpick the politics in a moment — first, what's the response from a mother who lost her 14—year—old son during the pandemic — not from covid but from leukemia? louise bennett from warwickshire is here. according to this committee, you were misled deliberately by the then prime minister of the country on nine different occasions? yes. prime minister of the country on nine different occasions? yes, and lookin: at nine different occasions? yes, and looking at boris _ nine different occasions? yes, and looking at boris johnson _ nine different occasions? yes, and looking at boris johnson in - looking at borisjohnson in parliament when he was talking about it, it was clear he was lying, there was no way those facts that we were presented with could be construed in any other way, but you think, actually this is a prime minister, the prime minister is standing at the prime minister is standing at the despatch box and saying things
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categorically did not happen. you almost are to question yourself and think, maybe it was me that misinterpreted the rules. you know, we were being over cautious. it is really important that today, the committee has stood up and said you did the right thing, you will be having properly and he has lied to you to just save his career for a little longer. you to just save his career for a little longer-— you to just save his career for a little longer. when the pandemic be . an, little longer. when the pandemic began. your— little longer. when the pandemic began. your boy. _ little longer. when the pandemic began, your boy, fred, - little longer. when the pandemic began, your boy, fred, 14 - little longer. when the pandemic began, your boy, fred, 14 years | little longer. when the pandemic - began, your boy, fred, 14 years old, was being treated in birmingham children's hospital and later great ormond street, and you and your husband had to make difficult, painful decisions about who would spend time with him in the final weeks of his life.— weeks of his life. yes, so for a while, weeks of his life. yes, so for a while. we _ weeks of his life. yes, so for a while, we were _ weeks of his life. yes, so for a while, we were able _ weeks of his life. yes, so for a while, we were able to - weeks of his life. yes, so for a while, we were able to swap i weeks of his life. yes, so for a i while, we were able to swap her weeks of his life. yes, so for a - while, we were able to swap her so one of us could stay with fred while the other was at home. as the pandemic progressed the rules changed, so when we went to great ormond street, only i was allowed,
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my husband was not allowed into the hospital for quite some time, and then fred's condition deteriorated so badly that the hospital decided my husband was allowed to come so we could be together for possibly the last ten or ii could be together for possibly the last ten or 11 days of his life. but our younger son, who was having to bubble 100 miles away with my family, did not see fred for the last three to four weeks of his life. ., ., ,, last three to four weeks of his life. ., ., i. ., ,., ., last three to four weeks of his life. ., ., i. ., ., . life. how do you feel about that? we have some beautiful _ life. how do you feel about that? we have some beautiful pictures - life. how do you feel about that? we have some beautiful pictures of- have some beautiful pictures of fred, actually.— have some beautiful pictures of fred, actually. yes... obviously it was really — fred, actually. yes... obviously it was really difficult, _ fred, actually. yes... obviously it was really difficult, it _ fred, actually. yes... obviously it was really difficult, it was - fred, actually. yes... obviously it was really difficult, it was always | was really difficult, it was always going to be a heartbreaking and really difficult thing to go through. covid made it far more complicated and far more traumatic. and far more difficult. but we understood why that was necessary, we wanted to give everybody a safe and keep the hospital staff safe who were doing incredible things and going to incredible lengths to look after us. so we had no problem with
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obeying the rules because they needed to be obeyed, it was an unprecedented situation that we had to deal with. ~ . unprecedented situation that we had to dealwith. ~ . , unprecedented situation that we had to deal with-— to deal with. what is your message to deal with. what is your message to boris johnson _ to deal with. what is your message to boris johnson is _ to deal with. what is your message to boris johnson is yellow - to deal with. what is your message to boris johnson is yellow my - to borisjohnson is yellow my message was that our morale really needed boosting and the morale of every doctor and nurse who looked after us at that time needed boosting, in the time fred was in hospital and in the months afterwards when we were grieving at home by ourselves. we did not have cheese and wine at a party after his funeral, we went home by ourselves because that is what he told us to do. thank you very much for being with us. brendan clarke—smith is here. ijust want with us. brendan clarke—smith is here. i just want to tell you more about boris johnson's here. i just want to tell you more about borisjohnson�*s statement. he said... "this was a dreadful day for mps and democracy. "this decision means no mp is free from vendetta or expulsion on trumped up charges by a tiny minority who want to see him or her gone from the commons." let's talk to brendan clarke—smith, who was elected as mp
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for bassetlaw in 2019 — a seat that had been labour since the 1930s. he credits mrjohnson for that win. how do you respond to louise bennett? i how do you respond to louise bennett? . , , ., ., bennett? i am very sorry to hear about fred — bennett? i am very sorry to hear about fred and _ bennett? i am very sorry to hear about fred and you _ bennett? i am very sorry to hear about fred and you have - bennett? i am very sorry to hear about fred and you have my - bennett? i am very sorry to hear - about fred and you have my sympathy and as a parent, it must be the worst thing in the world. i was believed during covid as well. exacerbated by the fact the prime minister was lying.— minister was lying. boris johnson also sent minister was lying. boris johnson also spent time _ minister was lying. boris johnson also spent time in _ minister was lying. boris johnson also spent time in icu. _ minister was lying. boris johnson also spent time in icu. this - minister was lying. boris johnson also spent time in icu. this is . also spent time in icu. this is about him lying. this is about parliament in particular and we are not really examining covid as a whole, lots of tragedies happen during covid around the world, it is a terrible thing. d0 during covid around the world, it is a terrible thing.— during covid around the world, it is a terrible thing. do you want to say an hinu a terrible thing. do you want to say anything about _ a terrible thing. do you want to say anything about the _ a terrible thing. do you want to say anything about the fact _ a terrible thing. do you want to say anything about the fact that - a terrible thing. do you want to say anything about the fact that the - anything about the fact that the report which boris johnson anything about the fact that the report which borisjohnson has called a liar, you have called it spiteful, vindictive and the committee are kangaroo court... why are you indulging in what it calls a campaign ofabuse
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are you indulging in what it calls a campaign of abuse and intimidation? it was overreach, they were looking at what he said in parliament and borisjohnson has given evidence to the committee, he has sent evidence there as well stop and they decided he must lead on nine occasions. how can they know that he intentionally did that? i do not know what others are thinking. did that? i do not know what others are thinking-— are thinking. have you read the re ort? are thinking. have you read the reort? i are thinking. have you read the report? i have _ are thinking. have you read the report? i have on _ are thinking. have you read the report? i have on the _ are thinking. have you read the l report? i have on the information boris johnson _ report? i have on the information boris johnson was _ report? i have on the information boris johnson was given - report? i have on the information boris johnson was given by - report? i have on the information| boris johnson was given by people borisjohnson was given by people who ask for that, and this happens all the time when ministers will go to the despatch box and give a statement on something and sometimes the facts will change later, they will find out extra information and they will then correct the record. he did not do that according to this report. borisjohnson corrected the record... not according to the committee's report, are you sure you have read it?— have read it? what specific parts? the sa have read it? what specific parts? they say he _ have read it? what specific parts? they say he purported _ have read it? what specific parts? they say he purported to - have read it? what specific parts? they say he purported to come . have read it? what specific parts? they say he purported to come to| have read it? what specific parts? i they say he purported to come to the comments and correct the statement that they were not satisfied that he had, that was another contempt! i
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have sat where borisjohnson has stated clearly things have gone off in downing street and he apologised for that, there was a flurry that he accepted, the metropolitan police considered one event there... this is about lying. _ considered one event there... this is about lying, we're _ considered one event there... this is about lying, we're not talking about partygate and fines, this is about partygate and fines, this is about lying. anti—democratic, mr johnson called it, do you agree? it is not a case of democratic or not, democratic to elect your mp but what you expect is a fair hearing, you expect people to go into that without prejudice before you start and you expect to be able to give evidence and for it to be considered. the chair of that committee already had to recuse himself, the chair that was appointed afterwards had been found to makejudgments prejudging boris johnson. mr to make 'udgments pre'udging boris johnson. ~ . , johnson. mrjohnson had multiple occasions to _
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johnson. mrjohnson had multiple occasions to present _ johnson. mrjohnson had multiple occasions to present evidence, i johnson. mrjohnson had multiple occasions to present evidence, he presented written and oral evidence, he had 250 ground of tax—payer money to pay for the lawyers even though he has earned £6 million since september. you're not saying he's a victim? i wouldn't have had the inquiry in the first place. i wouldn't have had the inquiry in the first place-— the first place. he is entitled to defend himself. _ the first place. he is entitled to defend himself. what was - defend himself. what was my question? he defend himself. what was my ruestion? , defend himself. what was my question?— defend himself. what was my ruestion? , ., question? he is entitled to defend himself with _ question? he is entitled to defend himself with the facts _ question? he is entitled to defend himself with the facts that were i himself with the facts that were there. he does not feel he has been treated fairly. if you look at the statement, he has identified a number of areas where he doesn't feel that process has been followed correctly, where they have gone outside the original remit with the definitions and so on and he has also raised specific questions about the committee itself. if i were borisjohnson, i would run all of those addressed. he has resigned as an mp, he has already gone now. so he has avoided democracy, chosen not to put its case to you and your colleagues in the house on monday and has chosen not to face voters in his own constituency. that is how much he likes democracy. ihe his own constituency. that is how much he likes democracy. he agreed to this on the — much he likes democracy. he agreed to this on the basis _ much he likes democracy. he agreed
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to this on the basis he _ much he likes democracy. he agreed to this on the basis he thought - to this on the basis he thought he would get their treatment and when he saw the report, he felt that that was not the case.— was not the case. don't you think that is a coincidence _ was not the case. don't you think that is a coincidence when - was not the case. don't you think that is a coincidence when the . that is a coincidence when the committee find he deliberately misled he thinks, i think this is an unfair process? the misled he thinks, i think this is an unfair process?— misled he thinks, i think this is an unfair process? the committee have chanced unfair process? the committee have changed from _ unfair process? the committee have changed from the _ unfair process? the committee have changed from the number— unfair process? the committee have changed from the number of- unfair process? the committee have changed from the number of days, l changed from the number of days, even today we heard they added extra baquero to sizing the committee. as a parliamentarian you expect to be able to scrutinise, to be able to object and debate. but able to scrutinise, to be able to object and debate.— able to scrutinise, to be able to object and debate. but not trash it? not trash it — object and debate. but not trash it? not trash it and we _ object and debate. but not trash it? not trash it and we accept _ object and debate. but not trash it? not trash it and we accept they - object and debate. but not trash it? | not trash it and we accept they have a very difficultjob to do on these committees and i have a lot of respect for people that do it. ida respect for people that do it. no you're not, you are calling them a kangaroo court, don't be disingenuous. i kangaroo court, don't be disingenuous.— kangaroo court, don't be disincenuous. . disingenuous. i read the report when it was published on _ disingenuous. i read the report when it was published on when i _ it was published on when i have looked into it, and if we are talking about courts, if this was a real court of law it would have been thrown out straightaway because that there is no way on the basis that this has been set up, in terms of how it is decided on the evidence that this would pass the threshold. you are a member of the house of
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commons, parliament instructed the committee to do this. borisjohnson set the privileges committee up. there is a debate and vote on monday on the report. you will be voting against it. i on the report. you will be voting against it— on the report. you will be voting aaainstit. . ., , i, against it. i certainly welcome yes. wh don't against it. i certainly welcome yes. why don't you _ against it. i certainly welcome yes. why don't you want _ against it. i certainly welcome yes. why don't you want to _ against it. i certainly welcome yes. why don't you want to stand - against it. i certainly welcome yes. why don't you want to stand up - against it. i certainly welcome yes. why don't you want to stand up forj why don't you want to stand up for honesty and integrity and private life? . �* , ., ~ honesty and integrity and private life? . �*, ., ~ �* life? that's what i feel like i'm doinu . life? that's what i feel like i'm doing- the _ life? that's what i feel like i'm doing. the easiest _ life? that's what i feel like i'm doing. the easiest thing - life? that's what i feel like i'm doing. the easiest thing for i life? that's what i feel like i'm | doing. the easiest thing for me life? that's what i feel like i'm . doing. the easiest thing for me to doing. the easiest thing for me to do would be not be there on monday or nodded through but i'm standing up or nodded through but i'm standing up for what i think it's right. i think when you stand by people, that is when it shows some real integrity because what we're doing is defending colleagues. if it was another colleague in the house of commons that had the same thing, i would expect them to have a —— fair hearing as well. the would expect them to have a -- fair hearing as well.— would expect them to have a -- fair hearing as well. the colleagues that vote for the — hearing as well. the colleagues that vote for the report _ hearing as well. the colleagues that vote for the report on _ hearing as well. the colleagues that vote for the report on monday, - vote for the report on monday, should they face deselection is nadine dorries selected? it’s should they face deselection is nadine dorries selected?- should they face deselection is nadine dorries selected? it's a free vote and i think _ nadine dorries selected? it's a free vote and i think it _ nadine dorries selected? it's a free vote and i think it should _ nadine dorries selected? it's a free vote and i think it should stay - nadine dorries selected? it's a free vote and i think it should stay one. | vote and i think it should stay one. it is a health matter, not a party political matter.— it is a health matter, not a party political matter. should they face deselection? _ political matter. should they face deselection? no. _ political matter. should they face deselection? no. it's— political matter. should they face deselection? no. it's individual. deselection? no. it's individual constituencies _ deselection? no. it's individual constituencies to _ deselection? no. it's individual constituencies to talk - deselection? no. it's individual constituencies to talk about - deselection? no. it's individual- constituencies to talk about members of parliament about how they feel, what promises they have made and what promises they have made and what they think is reasonable and with their own conscience. i would never go as far as saying that. but
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what i would say is i think they should look at it. i think they should look at it. i think they should make their own decision on it and certainly i would urge them to vote against this because i do think it has gone too far. i think it is spiteful and vindictive. take his parliamentary pass away from him as a prime minister is quite unprecedented. a prime minister is quite unrecedented. �* , ., unprecedented. because he was a prime minister _ unprecedented. because he was a prime minister and _ unprecedented. because he was a prime minister and he _ unprecedented. because he was a prime minister and he misled - unprecedented. because he was a prime minister and he misled the | prime minister and he misled the house and the country. that is why they are suggesting a suspension of 90 days and removing the pass. it's all the more serious the committee said because he was the prime minister. ~ ., , , minister. most of this is the criticism of _ minister. most of this is the criticism of the _ minister. most of this is the criticism of the committee. | minister. most of this is the - criticism of the committee. margaret ferrier only had 30 day suspension. this is the second—biggest one they have ever issued. this this is the second-biggest one they have ever issued.— this is the second-biggest one they have ever issued. this was the prime minister of of — have ever issued. this was the prime minister of of the _ have ever issued. this was the prime minister of of the country, _ have ever issued. this was the prime minister of of the country, lying - have ever issued. this was the prime minister of of the country, lying to i minister of of the country, lying to the country on multiple occasions. they have not provided a single shred of evidence to say that boris johnson knowingly did this. they can surmise and they can suggest that he has done this and they can put forward and repeat it a lot and most of us have seen this on twitter in recent weeks. when we talk about confidentiality, i think there is an
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issue there as well. i don't think borisjohnson did. i think he said to the best of his ability and what had been provided with, i think he corrected the letter later and i hope on monday this will be voted down and i will be certainly encouraging colleagues to do that. thank you for being with us, brendan clarke—smith. we can speak now to lord barwell, former housing minister and former downing street chief of staff to prime minister theresa may. thank you for your patience and for being with us. what do you make of the 90 day sanction, is it going too far? i think as the committee implied, their sanction was increased because of the way boris johnson their sanction was increased because of the way borisjohnson has behaved in the last few days. they say very clearly in the reports that they had got a unanimous agreement for a suspension of more than ten days, which would have triggered a recall petition. but they then increase that suspension because of the campaign of intimidation that he has directed against the committee over the last few days. one anonymous supporter boris
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0ne anonymous supporter boris johnson described it as a punishment beating. i wonder if that narrative of mrjohnson being persecuted makes it easierfor supporters of mrjohnson being persecuted makes it easier for supporters to rally around him and his cause? straight out the donald trump playbook, isn't it, essentially? you deny, there is no contrition at all and you have a campaign of disinformation and conspiracy theories. that is what we saw in his letter on friday. that is what we have seen from a number of his supporters over the last few days. i was very interested to hear brendan just of them saying if it was up to him he wouldn't have had the inquiry at all. it is perhaps worth reminding your viewers, the house of commons voted to have the inquiry are not a single mp objected to that and they approved the members of the committee and not a single mp objected to that. so the whole house of commons gave these members of parliament on this committee this job to do. they have done the job incredibly thoroughly. they have
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taken repeated evidence from boris johnson. forany taken repeated evidence from boris johnson. for any of your viewers that haven't read the report, perhaps the most striking thing is that they actually gave boris a way out. they said to him, if you just say to us that actually you accept that this was a misleading phrase that this was a misleading phrase that was used, its clear that they would have given a much lower tariff but he refused, even at that point in time, to acknowledge what he's done is wrong. that is why i think you have got the severity of the punishment. you are quite right in what you said when you were questioning brendan, this is an incredibly serious matter. this is the prime minister, the most senior politician in the country, having been found to deliberately mislead the house of commons and the whole country on a fundamentally important issue. we heard from louise earlier in your programme about what this meant to people and notjust once, did it repeatedly and then when brought before the committee to give evidence, misled the committee as well. so this goes to the heart of
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our democracy and how it works. if we cannot trust the prime minister to tell the truth or at least tell what he believes to be the truth, where are we? let what he believes to be the truth, where are we?— what he believes to be the truth, where are we? ., ., where are we? let me ask you about the current — where are we? let me ask you about the current prime _ where are we? let me ask you about the current prime minister, - where are we? let me ask you about the current prime minister, not - where are we? let me ask you about the current prime minister, not a - the current prime minister, not a word from rishi sunak today. what should he do now? that is a decision for him but i hope all conservative mps and all members of parliament will support the committee that they appointed, that has done the job that the house of commons asked them to do and they will back up the decision they made, which is based, if you read the whole report, very, very detailed evidence. so notjust rishi sunak but all mp5, i hope, will get behind and support the committee on the conclusion they have reached. because if we don't want to turn into the kind of politics we see in the united states at the moment, where everything is polarised, you have large numbers of people who don't believe in the result of the last election because donald trump says it was a stolen election, essentially, that is where our politics ends if people choose to
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believe these conspiracy theories and don't base their decisions on the facts. we have had a committee look into this in real detail and they have come up with a damning conclusion about the way boris johnson behaved and they deserve the support of the whole house of commons. support of the whole house of commons-— support of the whole house of commons. ., ,, , ., , . ., commons. thank you very much for bein: on commons. thank you very much for being on the _ commons. thank you very much for being on the programme _ commons. thank you very much for being on the programme tonight, i commons. thank you very much for. being on the programme tonight, we appreciate you talking to us, lord barwell. labour's tulip siddiq is here. good evening to you. good evening. mrjohnson — good evening to you. good evening. mrjohnson says _ good evening to you. good evening. mrjohnson says he _ good evening to you. good evening. mrjohnson says he genuinely - mrjohnson says he genuinely believed he was sincere at the time and was being honest with the house when he made those statements. what do you say to that? i when he made those statements. what do you say to that?— do you say to that? i don't believe him. the report _ do you say to that? i don't believe him. the report is _ do you say to that? i don't believe him. the report is damning. - do you say to that? i don't believe him. the report is damning. you | do you say to that? i don't believe - him. the report is damning. you have seen it in detail, viktoria plzen of the committee spent a whole year looking at the report at the conclusion is very clear. boris johnson broke the law. he then lied repeatedly. he misled parliament. he had opportunities to go to the
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committee and clarify what it was all about and give evidence. he refused that. 0nce all about and give evidence. he refused that. once the report was published on the conclusion absolutely 100% says borisjohnson is a liar and he did mislead parliament, he then, to make matters worse, refuses to apologise, refuses to accept this decision, that a committee, a cross—party committee has made, and instead doubles down on it using inflammatory language like "a kangaroo court", which aren't, saying they are out to get him, malicious. disgraceful behaviourfrom a man him, malicious. disgraceful behaviour from a man who was prime minister. is behaviour from a man who was prime minister. , ., . ., . behaviour from a man who was prime minister. , . . ., . , minister. is there a chance this could end _ minister. is there a chance this could end up — minister. is there a chance this could end up making _ minister. is there a chance this could end up making boris - minister. is there a chance this - could end up making boris johnson could end up making borisjohnson some kind of matar? could end up making boris johnson some kind of matar?_ could end up making boris johnson some kind of matar? when i was in my constituency — some kind of matar? when i was in my constituency today _ some kind of matar? when i was in my constituency today my _ some kind of matar? when i was in my constituency today my predecessor - constituency today my predecessor glenda jackson died today, we were speaking to many people. not one person had any shred of sympathy for borisjohnson to stop the country listen to what the government was saying during a pandemic. earlier in your show you had this mother who
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had lost her son. there were people who are telling me that they said goodbye to their over zoom because we were not allowed to see people. i also missed out on lots of big events, not funerals but big events. everyone made sacrifices during the pandemic and they stuck to the law and listened to the government. borisjohnson was prime minister. no one has any sympathy for him. he should apologise and he should also apologise to the country as well. the liberal democrats are calling for a rishi sunak to call off boris johnson's £150,000 he gets, is that something labour would do if you win the next election? igrate something labour would do if you win the next election?— the next election? we would consider it but for now — the next election? we would consider it but for now i _ the next election? we would consider it but for now i think— the next election? we would consider it but for now i think the _ the next election? we would consider it but for now i think the things - the next election? we would consider it but for now i think the things we i it but for now i think the things we would really like, prime minister rishi sunak to grow a backbone and stand up to the former prime minister. he should be reversing the honours list. he really should be doing that. i'm not quite sure why the prime minister decided to read
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the prime minister decided to read the honours list before the report was published. it the honours list before the report was published.— was published. it looks like a arubb was published. it looks like a grubby deal- _ was published. it looks like a grubby deal. should - was published. it looks like a grubby deal. should boris - was published. it looks like a - grubby deal. should boris johnson grubby deal. should borisjohnson have his parliamentary pass withdrawn? i have his parliamentary pass withdrawn?— have his parliamentary pass withdrawn? ~' , ., withdrawn? i think it should he broke the law, _ withdrawn? i think it should he broke the law, he _ withdrawn? i think it should he broke the law, he lied, - withdrawn? i think it should he broke the law, he lied, he was| broke the law, he lied, he was in contempt of parliament, why should he have one? he contempt of parliament, why should he have one?— he have one? he be barred from national events _ he have one? he be barred from national events where _ he have one? he be barred from national events where we - he have one? he be barred from national events where we see i he have one? he be barred from i national events where we see former prime ministers like at the cenotaph in november? i prime ministers like at the cenotaph in november?— in november? i think we have to allow events _ in november? i think we have to allow events themselves - in november? i think we have to allow events themselves decide | allow events themselves decide whether they want to invite him or not. i hope people decide they don't want him at their events anyway. tulip siddiq, thank you. nick's with us. what are you hearing tonight? there is rurowin what are you hearing tonight? there is growing confidence _ what are you hearing tonight? there is growing confidence in _ what are you hearing tonight? in- is growing confidence in cabinets over borisjohnson. i spoke to one member of the cabinet and they said they expect members of this close—knit borisjohnson group to turn on each other when cabinet ministers who expect leigh expecting a peerage realised borisjohnson has told the procedures that needed to be followed. boris johnson told the procedures that needed to be followed. borisjohnson said it wasn't the case. you saw i had bumped into a number of cabinet
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ministers outside downing street. didn't want to say anything because they didn't want to poke him. it is difficult. ithink they didn't want to poke him. it is difficult. i think there is a consensus it's difficult to see borisjohnson coming back before the next general election but he is hoping that rishi sunak will lose and then he will be seen as the saviour. i said this on radio four about half an hour ago. i got texted lby about half an hour ago. i got texted by a long serving conservative mp after i said that and this person said the idea borisjohnson eventually coming back, you must be joking, it's over, finished, he's politically dead as a dodo, ended. monday, what happens? the politically dead as a dodo, ended. monday, what happens? the report has to be debated — monday, what happens? the report has to be debated by _ monday, what happens? the report has to be debated by mps. _ monday, what happens? the report has to be debated by mps. there _ monday, what happens? the report has to be debated by mps. there is - monday, what happens? the report has to be debated by mps. there is then i to be debated by mps. there is then the chance of a vote on that, a substantive motion, do we approve this? what would happen with the speaker would say as many shout ayes. but how many say no? they want to say no but are they really want to say no but are they really want to show that he may have he is lucky
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possibly only have 20, maybe 30 supporters out of the parliament of 630 question answer yes, they want to say we don't like this, they would love to register a no vote but do they want to actually show what his level of support is?— his level of support is? thank you very much. _ his level of support is? thank you very much, nick, _ his level of support is? thank you very much, nick, thank— his level of support is? thank you very much, nick, thank you. i boris johnson's rise was almost as remarkable as his recent rapid descent. can any other politician claim to have better mastered the art of the photo op? here's david with a reminder of his route to today. as a political figure, borisjohnson's stardust is — or perhaps was — unrivalled. in city hall, which provided the platform for his rise to number 10, he made headlines as much for his photo opportunities as his policies. good copy and good entertainment — relentless demand forjohnson saw him pop up in albert square... please call me boris. ..and become a regular on comedy panel shows. good evening and welcome to have i got news for you. i'm borisjohnson. at almost every turn,
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his x factor was amplified by his vivid relationship with the media. some believejohnson's bluster and bravado helped him bypass proper scrutiny on his way to downing street. so smoothly done, wasn't it?! laughter. a strategy spelled—out by the man himself on the bbc in 2006. you shell them, you pepper the media. what you do is you've got to pepper their positions with so many gaffes that they're confused, like chaff, like a helicopter throwing out chaff. even before he reached downing street, some parts ofjohnson's private and past lives had led to some tough questions. making up quotes, lying to your party leader, wanting to be part of someone being physically assaulted — you are a nasty piece of work, aren't you? well, you know, ithink... all three things i would dispute. but the consummate media operator was also unafraid to sidestep scrutiny when it suited him.
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during the 2019 election, at times the everyman famously became a nowhere man. we have been asking him for weeks now to give us a date, a time, a venue. as of now, none has been forthcoming. no broadcaster can compel a politician to be interviewed, but leaders' interviews have been a key part of the bbc's prime—time election coverage for decades. it was questions over partygate that eventually led to some ofjohnson's toughest public appearances, in parliament and on television. he is on the record saying, under oath, you are lying, that you were warned about this event and you went ahead anyway. that you knew... i can tell you categorically, categorically that nobody told me. but even through the turbulent last few days, the now former pm and former mp has managed to shape much of the media narrative about his downfall. his political career is over — for now. but some believe we'd be
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mugs to imagine he might manage another comeback. let's try and look ahead to what on earth happens next. we've got an expert panel of westminster watchers, stephen bush is associate editor and columnist at the finanical times. christian calgie is senior political correspondent at the daily express. and jo tanner is a political communications strategist at apco worldwide, who worked with borisjohnson to get him into city hall. welcome and thank you for your patience. can we just pause for a second? can you put today into context in terms of its significance? i context in terms of its significance?- context in terms of its significance? i think today individually _ significance? i think today individually is _ significance? i think today individually is not - significance? i think today individually is not that i individually is not that significant, the big significance this week is when rishi sunak became prime minister, he had this idea, i will have a broad cabinet and will try to hold the party together and will avoid anything that splits me on the right or the left. essentially we have seen the end of
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that strategy. it did not work. bits of the government machine keep falling off and we saw a very different approach, starting on monday and continuing through today, saying i am different from, not his immediate predecessor, but one, i am not saying that more and in election victory or will end well for rishi sunak but we now have a very different phase of relations within the government and within the conservative party. but the government and within the conservative party.— the government and within the conservative party. but as a big shift. conservative party. but as a big shift- what _ conservative party. but as a big shift. what about _ conservative party. but as a big shift. what about you? - conservative party. but as a big shift. what about you? i - conservative party. but as a big shift. what about you? i sort i conservative party. but as a big shift. what about you? i sort of| shift. what about you? i sort of auree, shift. what about you? i sort of agree. the _ shift. what about you? i sort of agree. the big _ shift. what about you? i sort of agree, the big explosive - shift. what about you? i sort of. agree, the big explosive moment shift. what about you? i sort of- agree, the big explosive moment was friday— agree, the big explosive moment was friday when_ agree, the big explosive moment was friday when borisjohnson resigned and he _ friday when borisjohnson resigned and he pulled the rug from under the feet and he pulled the rug from under the feel of— and he pulled the rug from under the feel of the _ and he pulled the rug from under the feet of the committee. in a way it dampened — feet of the committee. in a way it dampened how exciting today ultimately was.— dampened how exciting today ultimately was. dampened how exciting today ultimatel was. ., ., ., ultimately was. how do you read the re ort? ultimately was. how do you read the reort? i ultimately was. how do you read the report? i did- _ ultimately was. how do you read the report? i did- it— ultimately was. how do you read the report? i did. it is— ultimately was. how do you read the report? i did. it is very _ report? i did. it is very interesting. _ report? i did. it is very interesting. i- report? i did. it is very interesting. i don't- report? i did. it is very i interesting. i don't think report? i did. it is very - interesting. i don't think anyone report? i did. it is very _ interesting. i don't think anyone in the interesting. idon't think anyone in the country— interesting. i don't think anyone in the country will change their mind, everybody— the country will change their mind, everybody knew where they were
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today, _ everybody knew where they were today, it — everybody knew where they were today, it was either a stitch—up or boris _ today, it was either a stitch—up or borisjohnson was being proved to be a lial’, _ borisjohnson was being proved to be a liar. as _ borisjohnson was being proved to be a liar, as they have known for many years _ a liar, as they have known for many years what — a liar, as they have known for many years what i — a liar, as they have known for many years. what i would say is two points, — years. what i would say is two points, firstly, the 90 day suspension is the best hope boris can cling — suspension is the best hope boris can cling onto in terms of galvanising support amongst the grassroots. in galvanising support amongst the . rassroots. ., galvanising support amongst the crassroots. . ., , , grassroots. in that he has been persecuted? — grassroots. in that he has been persecuted? it _ grassroots. in that he has been persecuted? it will— grassroots. in that he has been persecuted? it will come i grassroots. in that he has been| persecuted? it will come across grassroots. in that he has been i persecuted? it will come across as so over the — persecuted? it will come across as so over the top. — persecuted? it will come across as so over the top, much _ persecuted? it will come across as so over the top, much more i persecuted? it will come across as so over the top, much more than i so over the top, much more than margaret— so over the top, much more than margaret ferrier god for going between scotland and london. that is totally _ between scotland and london. that is totally different. it is the second longest— totally different. it is the second longest suspension and a lot of people — longest suspension and a lot of people will feel aggrieved it was so large _ people will feel aggrieved it was so large the — people will feel aggrieved it was so large. the second point, as i wrote about— large. the second point, as i wrote about today, as i think rishi sunak could _ about today, as i think rishi sunak could regret this because for many months _ could regret this because for many months borisjohnson has essentially been taking a lot of political attention from the media and the opposition and now that he is out of parliament, —
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opposition and now that he is out of parliament, desires will not stop with boris, they will turn onto rishi — with boris, they will turn onto rishi sunak, questions today over he misleading _ rishi sunak, questions today over he misleading parliament and that will io misleading parliament and that will go on _ misleading parliament and that will go on for— misleading parliament and that will go on for longer and rishi sunak may regret— go on for longer and rishi sunak may regret not— go on for longer and rishi sunak may regret not having boris around to take that — regret not having boris around to take that flak.— regret not having boris around to i take that flak._ the take that flak. would you agree? the si . nificance take that flak. would you agree? the significance of— take that flak. would you agree? the significance of today _ take that flak. would you agree? the significance of today is _ take that flak. would you agree? the significance of today is this _ take that flak. would you agree? the significance of today is this is - take that flak. would you agree? the significance of today is this is the i significance of today is this is the start— significance of today is this is the start of— significance of today is this is the start of the — significance of today is this is the start of the divide _ significance of today is this is the start of the divide that _ significance of today is this is the start of the divide that has - significance of today is this is the. start of the divide that has existed in the _ start of the divide that has existed in the tory— start of the divide that has existed in the tory party _ start of the divide that has existed in the tory party being _ start of the divide that has existed in the tory party being ripped i start of the divide that has existedl in the tory party being ripped open again— in the tory party being ripped open again hugely— in the tory party being ripped open again hugely and _ in the tory party being ripped open again hugely and we _ in the tory party being ripped open again hugely and we will— in the tory party being ripped open again hugely and we will all- in the tory party being ripped open again hugely and we will all look i again hugely and we will all look ahead _ again hugely and we will all look ahead to — again hugely and we will all look ahead to the _ again hugely and we will all look ahead to the weekend _ again hugely and we will all look ahead to the weekend and - again hugely and we will all look ahead to the weekend and the l ahead to the weekend and the dissection _ ahead to the weekend and the dissection of— ahead to the weekend and the dissection of the _ ahead to the weekend and the dissection of the report - ahead to the weekend and the dissection of the report and i ahead to the weekend and the i dissection of the report and claims and counter— dissection of the report and claims and counter claims— dissection of the report and claims and counter claims about - dissection of the report and claims and counter claims about whetherl dissection of the report and claims i and counter claims about whether the evidence _ and counter claims about whether the evidence in— and counter claims about whether the evidence in the — and counter claims about whether the evidence in the report _ and counter claims about whether the evidence in the report actually - evidence in the report actually stacks — evidence in the report actually stacks up _ evidence in the report actually stacks up. by— evidence in the report actually stacks up. by monday, - evidence in the report actually stacks up. by monday, we i evidence in the report actually stacks up. by monday, we are| evidence in the report actually . stacks up. by monday, we are in evidence in the report actually - stacks up. by monday, we are in this interesting _ stacks up. by monday, we are in this interesting position— stacks up. by monday, we are in this interesting position of— stacks up. by monday, we are in this interesting position of mps _ stacks up. by monday, we are in this interesting position of mps who i stacks up. by monday, we are in this interesting position of mps who willl interesting position of mps who will have gone _ interesting position of mps who will have gone back— interesting position of mps who will have gone back to _ interesting position of mps who will have gone back to their _ have gone back to their constituencies - have gone back to their constituencies and i have gone back to their constituencies and willi have gone back to their . constituencies and will be have gone back to their - constituencies and will be told have gone back to their _ constituencies and will be told one way or— constituencies and will be told one way or the — constituencies and will be told one way or the other— constituencies and will be told one way or the other by _ constituencies and will be told one way or the other by their— way or the other by their constituency— way or the other by their constituency association | way or the other by their- constituency association chairman and members _ constituency association chairman and members about _ constituency association chairman and members about what - constituency association chairman and members about what they i constituency association chairman . and members about what they think their inhoxes — and members about what they think their inboxes will— and members about what they think their inboxes will surely— and members about what they think their inboxes will surely be - their inboxes will surely be starting _ their inboxes will surely be starting to— their inboxes will surely be starting to pile _ their inboxes will surely be starting to pile up - their inboxes will surely be starting to pile up already. j their inboxes will surely be i starting to pile up already. with people — starting to pile up already. with pe0ple being _ starting to pile up already. with people being concerned - starting to pile up already. with people being concerned about l starting to pile up already. with- people being concerned about which way they— people being concerned about which way they think— people being concerned about which way they think their— people being concerned about which way they think their mps _ people being concerned about which way they think their mps should - way they think their mps should vote _ way they think their mps should vote and — way they think their mps should vote and the _ way they think their mps should vote. and the fact _ way they think their mps should vote. and the fact that - way they think their mps should vote. and the fact that it - way they think their mps should vote. and the fact that it is - way they think their mps should vote. and the fact that it is a i way they think their mps should i vote. and the fact that it is a one line whip—
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vote. and the fact that it is a one line whip on_ vote. and the fact that it is a one line whip on monday, _ vote. and the fact that it is a one line whip on monday, and - vote. and the fact that it is a one line whip on monday, and the - vote. and the fact that it is a one . line whip on monday, and the party not taking — line whip on monday, and the party not taking a — line whip on monday, and the party not taking a particular _ line whip on monday, and the party not taking a particular view, - line whip on monday, and the party not taking a particular view, meansi not taking a particular view, means you are _ not taking a particular view, means you are left — not taking a particular view, means you are left with _ not taking a particular view, means you are left with this _ not taking a particular view, means you are left with this free _ not taking a particular view, means you are left with this free for- not taking a particular view, means you are left with this free for all- you are left with this free for all to the _ you are left with this free for all to the one — you are left with this free for all to the one hand _ you are left with this free for all to the one hand is— you are left with this free for all to the one hand is good - you are left with this free for all to the one hand is good but- you are left with this free for all to the one hand is good but the| to the one hand is good but the other, — to the one hand is good but the other, everyone _ to the one hand is good but the other, everyone will— to the one hand is good but the other, everyone will think, - to the one hand is good but the| other, everyone will think, what to the one hand is good but the - other, everyone will think, what are the key— other, everyone will think, what are the key players _ other, everyone will think, what are the key players in _ other, everyone will think, what are the key players in the _ other, everyone will think, what are the key players in the tory - other, everyone will think, what are the key players in the tory party? . the key players in the tory party? what _ the key players in the tory party? what will — the key players in the tory party? what will they _ the key players in the tory party? what will they do? _ the key players in the tory party? what willthey do? how— the key players in the tory party? what will they do?— much of a the key players in the tory party? what will they do? how much of a test is this — what will they do? how much of a test is this for _ what will they do? how much of a test is this for rishi _ what will they do? how much of a test is this for rishi sunak? - what will they do? how much of a test is this for rishi sunak? it - what will they do? how much of a test is this for rishi sunak? it is i test is this for rishi sunak? it is a test not _ test is this for rishi sunak? it is a test not only _ test is this for rishi sunak? it is what will they do? how much of a a test not only about _ test is this for rishi sunak? it is a test not only about boris and about what will they do? how much of a _ about boris - whether— a test not only about boris and whether he _ a test not only about boris and whether he is _ a test not only about boris and whether he is going _ a test not only about boris and what will they do? how much of a _ about boris and . a test not only about boris and whether— a test not only about boris and whether he _ a test not only about boris and whether he is _ a test not only about boris and whether he is going _ a test not only about boris and whether he is going to- a test not only about boris and whether he is going to put- a test not only about boris and whether he is going to put thisi whether he is going to put this clear— whether he is going to put this clear water— whether he is going to- a test not only about boris and whether he is going to put- a test not only about boris and whether he is going to put this clear water between— whether he is going to put this clear water between them - whether he is going to put this clear water between them but| whether he is going to put this . clear water between them but as whether he is going to put thisi prime _ clear water between them but as prime minister— clear water between them but as prime minister there _ clear water between them but as prime minister there is— clear water between them but as prime minister there is a - clear water between them but as i minister there is a dangerous prime minister there is a dangerous precedent _ prime minister there is a dangerous prime minister there is a dangerous precedent _ prime minister there is a dangerous precedent being _ prime minister there is a dangerous precedent being set. _ prime minister there is a dangerous precedent being set. the _ precedent being _ prime minister there is a dangerous precedent being set. _ prime minister there is a dangerous prime minister there is a dangerous| precedent being set. the committee talk themselves— precedent being set. the committee precedent being set. the _ talk themselves about _ precedent being set. the committee talk themselves about the _ precedent being set. the committee| talk themselves about the precedent bein- talk themselves about the precedent being set— talk themselves about the precedent being set with — prime minister there is a dangerous prece set�* being set. the _ prime minister there is a dangerous prece set with g set. the _ talk themselves about the precedent being set with what _ talk themselves about the precedent being set with what they— talk themselves about the precedent being set with what they have - 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opportunities to get out of it but in terms of the divide in the tory party and what mps are hearing from their associations, party and what mps are hearing from theirassociations, if party and what mps are hearing from their associations, if over the weekend lots of mps think, i have to backlash about their actions towards vote against this sanction because i do not my members will do something bad to me, then we are in for a prolonged period of internal war in the conservative party. if you look at the conservative home survey, it tends to be a pretty useful straw in the wind, and they say it is time to move on... if that is what mps hear from the members because the interesting group to watch our mps interesting group to watch our mps in heavily remain places, it would be in their interests to vote against but if they think i vote against but if they think i vote against it and my association will minister, any prime minister, any future prime minister, even i will| eat me, they will abstain. if people against it and my association will eat me, they will abstain. if people have to vote with boris, that is an have to vote with boris, that is an interesting sign and if people feel interesting sign and if people feel they can vote with their they can vote with their constituencies, that is fine. find constituencies, that is fine. and there are still _ constituencies, that is fine. and there are still mps _ constituencies, that is fine. and there are still mps waiting to be selected — there are still mps waiting to be selected so— there are still mps waiting to be selected so the _ there are still mps waiting to be selected so the problem - there are still mps waiting to be selected so the problem is- there are still mps waiting to be | selected so the problem is some there are still mps waiting to be - selected so the problem is some have already— selected so the problem is some have already struggled _ selected so the problem is some have already struggled with _ selected so the problem is some have already struggled with their— already struggled with their selections— already struggled with their selections because - already struggled with their selections because there i already struggled with their
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