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this is bbc news. the headlines: 37 pupils have been killed in an attack on a school in western uganda by militants linked to the islamic state group. the authorities say some of the victims were murdered with machetes. six pupils have been abducted and eight people are being treated in hospital. a day after visiting ukraine, a group of african leaders meet vladimir putin in russia. the delegation are calling for peace talks to end the war. teachers in england announce two more days of strike action as part of a long—running pay dispute. members of the national education union will walk out on the fifth and seventh ofjuly. a fly—past fit for a king — aircraft spell out the initials of charles rex as part of the trooping the colour birthday celebrations in london. thousands of people turned out to watch the parade —
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the first of king charles�* reign as monarch. now on bbc news — newscast. this is the second time we have put custard today, because this is the second time we have put custard today, because when this is the second time we have put custard today, because when the report was published this morning, we assembled and it a bit of an extra newscast, which we have published on bbc sounds. so that was the rehearsal, and now we can try and get it right. yeah. so you can probably tell me very quickly and very easily what's in it now. yeah, its extraordinary, really.
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the thing is about today, the reason this kind of postcode and more widely the electorate... and we've got some people from this postcode with us here as well. well indeed. i'll introduce them now, shall i? salma shah, former adviser to sajid javid. hello. and pippa crerar, basically the inventor of partygate as a news story. you didn't do it, you didn't instigate it. i wasn't at any of those parties. just to be clear. but you sort of uncovered it and then ran with it in a big way and that leads us to this green document. the extraordinary thing about this today, adam, is that the reason we've been counting down to the day whenever this would see the light of day was the expectation that with it would be the jeopardy about what would happen to borisjohnson. and of course, he pre—empted that. there was always a likelihood he might do that, but he pre—empted that with what he said last friday. so we were waiting for this to appear knowing that it was going to be pretty devastating because it was sufficiently devastating that he had resigned in advance. and that the various, most severe sanctions that it could suggest, he had basically walked down the plank himself already. and yet when it plonked down on our desks and into our inboxes at nine o'clock this morning, it still had a wow factor
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in its depth and breadth of the demolition, really, of borisjohnson�*s conduct and his character. it's kind of as simple as that. you think... you can see why, when he got it last week, he... hit the roof. he was, you know, not exactly pleased. and that suggestion, i know it's academic now, but that suggestion of a sanction, or a suspension of 90, 90 days. and what i hear and is touched on in the report is that a massive contributor to that number being so big was what he did last friday and in the subsequent days since. criticising the committee. yeah, a breach of confidence and also that sense that his contributions to the committee's work at various stages, the testimony he gave back in march, what he did on friday, various other things, also served to crank up the opprobrium that they felt for him. pippa, you're political editor at the guardian now. you started covering this story when you were at the mirror. it was kind of like following breadcrumbs, wasn't it, because you only learnt it bit by bit by bit. what's it like seeing
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the whole loaf? well, it's been a long 18 months and i've been reflecting a bit- on what it was like that first i morning when we ran that first piece in the daily mirror- where i worked at the time, and arrived in parliament. we basically had revealed two - of the gatherings in downing street and talked a bit about the culture that existed there, the fact - that they liked parties and social gatherings. number 10 denied it, - said no rules were broken. and i arrived in parliament and i was really surprised. by... there was a few peoplel like mps and colleagues who said, "good story, but where does it go?" or, "do you really think it'll get any cut through?" - "it was a year ago." ididn't know, but what i did know was i thought the public— would actually care about it. and that bit of it has- remained true throughout, right up until this point. i although of course i could neverl have envisaged that borisjohnson would quit over this report - as an mp, or indeed before that even, that it would contribute, not the only factor, _ but it would contribute _ to his downfall as prime minister.
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but i think looking at that report there in front of chris, _ it just is reassuring that actually. parliament and its functions work and i think for so long i they've been traduced and attacked and undermined. and it feels like there's - an opportunity here actually for a reset, and hopefully to try and restore some of that publici trust in those institutions. one of the things that surprised me... well, there were two things that surprised me when i was reading it on the train on the way in, on tiny text on my tiny phone. first of all, that point you made, chris, aboutjust the backlash against borisjohnson�*s reaction to it. how much that meant to what they decided to theoretically sanction him with. the other one is that actually it does feel like a trial of the whole partygate thing. because to prove their charge that he misled parliament, they have to go through all the covid rules and all the evidence about what was happening in number 10 at the time. so it almost feels like a prosecution of the whole of partygate.
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i was quite surprised that it felt like that, because i thought it would just be about what he said in parliament. yeah, they didn't re—litigate the whole partygate - saga but you're right, _ it was all there in black and white. and there was actually one example, a new example that we hadn't - seen before, of evidence - from a downing street official who said that basically, - it was as though normal life continued during the pandemic there. there were birthday parties, leaving dos, wine time - fridays all went on. and a line which really struck me was that staff were warned - when they walked out of the building ijust to be careful with the camerasl that were out there, _ and the conclusion by this official that it was all a pantomime. | most of the report wasn't about| what went on in downing street. i it was about boris johnson and hisl response in the house of commons. but that was just a little reminder to me that that did _ underpin it all. and, yes, it does feel a little bit like he has| gone through this trial, if you like. _ of his peers in the commons. and they've reached this very, very damning conclusion. salma, i wonder what your first thoughts were when you started taking a look at this and hearing
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the headlines this morning on the kind of richter scale of it. for me, that was the surprise. we knew it would be devastating but perhaps not as devastating for borisjohnson as it turned out to be. i think the issue with anything surrounding borisjohnson is that it's overwhelming and everything that comes at you in terms of information and everybody's opinions and takes, you're completely sort of drowned in them. i think it takes a little while, or it took me a little while, to really understand the significance of this. because he had already resigned, so the 90 days is a moot point now. but he had already resigned. but actually what we're talking about is a former prime minister, the most important official in the land, basically no longer, or, well, let's see what the vote says, but the recommendation being him no longer having access to parliament. this is incredible. under a year after he was serving as prime minister. and a parliamentary committee is telling us that borisjohnson lied. right? that is really significant. and i think it gets lost
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because there is always this overwhelming narrative, the counter narrative, the language around it, people talking about kangaroo courts and witch hunts and things like that. but fundamentally, this is a very serious constitutional point. and i suppose, actually, picking up on your point, and pippa, the one you made a few moments ago, you can make an argument beyond all of the noise and the characters of all of this, that this is... for all of the questioning that we all ask around systems and structures, whether it be of the state or of democracy, of things working, that journalistic. .. the journalistic pursuit of truth followed by parliament scrutinising the executive, or in this instance, a former prime minister, with this level of sanction prompting the prime minister to pre—empt what they were sanctioning, the former prime minister to pre—empt, and leave parliament. the system is somehow working. yeah, i think it took-
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a while though, didn't it? and there was a lot - of obstacles along the way. i won't forget very readily some - of the responses at downing street, notjust borisjohnson_ in the chamber when confronted by mps, but also the stuff _ we were hearing from mps supportive of him and also downing street itself, the spokesman in there, dismissing the reporting, saying it wasn't true, - personal attacks on me, personal attacks on otherjournalists. - because it wasn'tjust me, obviously, there were lots| of other journalists that broke stories on this — including at the bbc. - and they tried really, - really hard to kind of dismiss it as trivial, to discredit it. and i think for me, that's - ultimately what boris johnson felt about it and probably still feels - about it, that he has been wronged, that this wasn't serious, - that he had this sort of sense of entitlement really that made him feel that he could do whatever- he wanted in downing street, i and that he didn't have to follow the same rules as everyone else. and he got caught — and he hates that more than anything. - can ijust say, i would slightly challenge what you've just said, chris _ go for it. in that this is an indication
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that the system works. i think the fact we've had to go through this process is actually an indication that the system has not been working. and that's why it is really important that the prime minister now, as the government has already said it's not going to do what borisjohnson did in the case of owen paterson, and just note what the privileges committee has said, it's accepted and allowed a free vote. and i think that we have to be really mindful of the fact that people like me, bag carriers and people who speak tojournalists behind the scenes, we will always exist. and those judgments will always exist that you've got to make when stories like this come up. but i go back to my earlier point. this is an incredibly big moment in uk politics and it is because this huge constitutional thing has happened. a prime minister has been sanctioned at great extent. that is not the system working well, because how did we get to that point where this happened? let's talk about the system in the tory party now. and i'm a bit confused,
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because at one point you can think, "oh, this might be borisjohnson finished and actually he's got a dwindling band of supporters." then you see quite a lot of tweets from mps saying, "i back boris." but then is it really that many? it's maybe only about ten. and then you think, well, we've got this vote on monday, that will be a really good test. but then actually, maybe people will abstain because they don't want to be involved. that doesn't mean they are secret borisjohnson fans, who are wishing for him to come back. i was doing a new episode of the boris podcast that i did in the summer, just catching up with everything. we had someone on there who is a big boris backer, back, and she said "he's got a route back to power." and i said, "what is it?" and she couldn't say. so then you're like, actually, maybe is it all over? and then you think back to rishi sunak on monday when he came out swinging for borisjohnson about the conversations they had reportedly had behind the scenes about all these peerages and you think,
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actually is this a bit energising for rishi sunak? it's given him a bit more oomph, permission to fight back against borisjohnson, rather than just trying to sort of contain him. ijust don't... which one is it? a bit of everything? i was really struck that rishi sunak, i've interviewed him a few times in the last couple of weeks, he doesn't relish and contrasts in character terms with borisjohnson by about as much as you possibly could. he doesn't particularly relish the public stage and the performative element of the tv interview or whatever. that contribution he made on monday when he was at the tech conference, i think, he knew what he wanted to say in advance, it was pithy, it was direct, and he drew a moral distinction with borisjohnson. you could feel a sense that he wanted to say something. but on the borisjohnson thing, the thing that strikes me is that sense of, the question of is it overfor borisjohnson? what does "over" mean? in parliamentary terms, yes, in the short term, maybe in the long term. but capacity to cause havoc and snatch attention from rishi sunak, i mean, that's huge, isn't it? yeah, he's going to lob political hand grenades into the heart i
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of government and westminster i between now and the next election and probably beyond. whether that's from a platform| of his own tv show or a column orjust turning up on the news, i there's absolutely no denying that he's not going to go quietly. but to your point, adam, - about rishi sunak and whether this is actually a moment he can capitalise on and appear- tough, i think that's . an swi interpretation. that's a westminster interpretation. because we like seeing i things through the prism of who's up, who's down, i who's strong, who's weak? i think the vast majority of the public will be - sitting there going, _ hang on a sec, my mortgage hasjust gone up, my weekly shopping bill hasjust gone up, - my energy bills, i'm _ struggling to make ends meet. and this lot, this tory party over there that are supposed - to be running the countryl and making my life better are squabbling amongst themselves over stuff like who ends up - in the house of lords - or whether borisjohnson lied to parliament. you know, come on, guys, get a grip. focus on what's going on in the real world. i i suppose, to take that one step forward, it, in the minds of a floating voter, it is the extent
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to which when they think of around the conservative party, they are thinking of borisjohnson, because he keeps popping up in the news even though he is no longer in parliament, or they think of rishi sunak and whether that kind of, the fumes of the borisjohnson era are still sort of loitering. i think there is an important thing that rishi sunak needs to do now, and it is have some sort of sense of renewal and a departure from the borisjohnson era, and the borisjohnson drama, which, you know, does follow him round everywhere, you are totally right, pippa. people are worried about their own lives because the rest of us while we obsess about what boris johnson's career's is going to look like, most other people are worried about what their careers and what theirjobs are going to look like. but i think it is important for rishi sunak to be able to create that distinction, and whether he does that because he is being a bit more robust on this issue, whether he does that because, you know, he had this discussion about honours or not,
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it is an important dividing line, it is an important dividing line. it might not have as much resonance as he wants to but i think it is important for him to be able to pivot to what should be the new future. obviously accepting that boris isn't going to go quietly as is evidenced by the statements, but we have to draw a line somewhere. what has surprised me is i thought this would collide head long with the covid inquiry, starting its hearings this week, and it sort of hasn't really felt like that. i wonder if it's just because it has been a couple of days between the first hearing and this actual report, do you think actually, pippa, the two things do collide? i think they're probably... they are probably quite separate. though i did note in a foot note - on the report, that it suggests that if whatsapp messages and other details that boris _ johnson handed over to the covid inquiry show anything in a new light, i provide new evidence if you like, that the committee reserves - the option of looking into them. i mean we kind of say "this
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is all over, this is done now.", but, there is. that and there is also, committee is going to, - just talking of future action they are going to produce a special report into some of the criticism i they have received from other mp5, allies of boris johnson, _ who themselves have been in contempt of parliament for doing that. _ and just a little hilarious foot note to partygate, pippa, your birthday is the same day as boris johnson's, so the day when the cake stayed in the tupperware, it was your birthday too. i looked back through my camera, l it is monday 19th, yes, my birthday. happy birthday as well. thank you. so this week was the start of the public inquiry into how the uk handled covid, well, it wasn't the start the inquiry it was the start of the public evidence hearing so where we will see people, you mentioned david cameron is going to be there quite soon, and it started off, and huw pym was telling me on newscast
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it was started with this video. with lot of families who had lost their loved ones, explaining what it all meant to them, so i was doing the dishes the next morning and i was like, oh, i will pop that video on while i am doing the dishes and i was completely transfixed by it. it is so powerful, it is so moving and the stories are just incredible. and then all week i have been sort of thinking back, to like, experiences i had like that with people who had gone through that and one of the big memories i had was chatting to the person who is in the studio now, the journalist catherine mayer. hello. we chatted back in may 2020 when things were so bleak, and you very movingly told us the story of the death of your partner, andy, who was in the band gang of four. do you want to remind us, if it is not too traumatic, why you wanted to talk to us that day? do you know, i'm not sure i can remember why i wanted to talk to you, but i do know that there was something i felt impelled to say, and it was because i had at that point only reallyjust
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discovered that andy had been a victim of covid, because he died right at the start of the pandemic, and because of the time lines, people didn't think that that could have been it, because you know, it supposedly hadn't come out of china yet, and all of that. because he had been on tour in china. hadn't he, in 2019? yes, and he got back in december2019, and he was, he was ill when he got back, and then became iller and iller and eventually died in february, so the pandemic had started, though i can't remember if it was called a pandemic at that point, but, there was and remains a lot of confusion around the time lines so i had batted off reporters in fact, asking me if he had been killed by covid. and then discovered only in may, i think very shortly before i spoke to you that the hospital had instituted its own investigation
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into his death, but i had anyway of course, you know, because he died and then we had gone into the first and hardest of the lockdowns, and so i had been going and my stepfather also died, i don't even know if i talked to you about that, but he had died just before andy, of hospital—acquired pneumonia, and, so aside from seeing my mother who was widowed, i saw nobody. i was obeying all of the rules, i was staying indoors, doing all the things and i was very aware of a sense of kinship with the people who were losing people, but i was also aware of an extraordinary series of privileges that i had by comparison to them. i had been able to be with andy when he died. it was before people were banned from bedsides, and i had been
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able to celebrate him. we even managed to hold a memorial just before the first, literally just before the first lockdown, but the main thing is he was a public figure and so he was being celebrated by people other than me, and we were all talking about him, and, all the numbers were creeping up, of the covid dead, and i realised that there was this blurring that was happening. that instead of people having a sense of each of those people being as andy was to me and my family, and our friends, that these people were being erased and forgotten. they were just becoming statistics. so i think what i said to you, although i can't remember, i think what i tried to do was talk about, please, let's rememberthat everybody who dies not only is somebody who mattered but that they have these huge constellations of people who were impacted by it. you used the phrase a few moments ago about the kinship of this community that has come together via horrendous circumstances
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of people who have lost loved ones to covid in, i guess, wildly varying circumstances, but with overlaps in terms of the human emotions connected to grief. but then doing so, around this both global and uk event with so many unanswered questions around how it was handled. yes. well, that group — covid bereaved families forjustice was started by two people who were total strangers who met on facebook. and social media of course is a beast with all sorts of negatives, as well as positives, but it was incredibly important for this and for connection during that time of lockdown. just as zooms were, and we lived online. and they had both lost close family members and they started discussing it and it was first a support group where people were
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comparing experiences. as i say, for many people it was such a... people conflate grief and trauma but they are very different things. people didn't get to be with the person they loved who was dying. they not only didn't get to be with them, they didn't get to celebrate them. they often didn't really have any contact at all, they would be taken away in an ambulance or be consigned to a care home and they would not see them. so a lot of them also had notjust trauma but disbelief. they couldn't actually believe that the person was gone. it's like the war dead, it's like the empty sarcophagus, the cenotaph. there wasn't even a focal point for that. so this group became the focal point for it and it began channelling... i remember those early conversations and we were all talking about the lesons that there were. there were these lessons that
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could be learned that would stop people dying not in the next pandemic but this pandemic, if you _ only listened to those personal stories. i think one of the other things to understand is, you know, i am very functional for somebody who is grieving and does carry trauma. but one of the ways that you achieve that functionality is to compartmentalise. and so, a lot of the time i protect myself from some of this news. but of course, today we've had the partygate report as well as us being in the beginning of this inquiry which covid bereaved families campaigned for. we are very happy that it's happening. it took way too long to start because as i say, there's an urgency. you might save lives from knowing these stories. but of course, the covid bereaved stories, apart from that wonderful
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video at the beginning, are not being represented within any of the modules. we wanted... the lawyers for the group had come up with 20 sample case studies. everybody understands this can't go on indefinitely, it has to be run properly and fast and efficiently. but there were these 20 stories that could... in each story had some systemic failure or some learning that could save people now, notjust in some hypothetical... the inquiry rejected that, almost the epigram at the start of the chapter of a book. that would be the story that would start that module, but they didn't go for that. they didn't go for that. so, there is this sort of mixed feelings about the inquiry. one of the burdens that we all carry is this anger. like, grief... it's a truism that grief is love but it really is.
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and one of the ways you... your ambition for grief shouldn't be to get rid of it. people are ridiculous in the idea that you can move on or shed it. what you do is you make it livable. you embrace it. it's part of your life. and ambition for grief is such a powerful phrase. about how to wrestle with something. exactly. but you can't do that with trauma and you absolutely can't do that with anger. and i don't know if you can hear my voice is getting strained, evenjust thinking about borisjohnson and the government. and all of us carry the sort of burning ember that is a kind of toxic burning ember as well. i want to be able to celebrate andy and think about him peacefully and i want to compartmentalise that away, but you can't. what will you get from the inquiry, then, other thanjust the lessons that can be applied to the next pandemic? or is that all that will be? no. it's very important. as i say, there is disappointment
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that the stories won't be heard but it isn'tjust because i'm somebody who lost... you know, i lost andy, i lost the love of my life. but that doesn't mean i think that's the only thing that mattered about the pandemic. i think that there are many lessons that need to be learned. but, i mean, ithink the biggest thing for everybody who campaigned for that inquiry was to make sure that people are spared what we went through. and so if there is a sense from the inquiry that it has, you know, even if a few lives are saved because of the inquiry... i promised myself i wouldn't cry. it's fine. these are angry tears. these are not the tears i cried before. i would like to go back to, you know... back to a purer grief. catherine, thank you so much for coming back on newscast. it's been lovely to catch up with you.
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after all these years, it's years. yes. so, thank you. you're welcome. and that's all for this episode of newscast. we'll be back with another one very soon. bye. bye— bye. hello. it's fairly quiet on the weather front right now, but quite a wild day on the way for some of us on sunday, with thunderstorms forecast. some of them could be severe, bringing hail, gusty winds and a lot of rainfall in a short space of time, leading to flash flooding. butjust down the road, you might miss the storms and it'll end up being fairly dry and bright. low pressure is close by to the uk. you can see it on the satellite picture here. this vortex and this low pressure will help to spawn some of these storms over the next day or two.
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now there's already a lot of cloud across the uk. skies have been quite hazy in places and we've had some showers as well, drifting from south, moving northwards. quite a muggy air mass. so that means that tonight will be quite close for many of us. a generally dry night, but not completely. there will be some showers around. the temperatures early in the morning will be around about 15, 16 degrees in the warmest spots. but in the fresher areas there, newcastle, hull, closer to ten degrees. so when will these storms start forming? well, from late morning onwards into the afternoon, i think the risk of thunder increases across england and wales, in particular, a big range in the rainfall forecast. locally, 30 millimetres of rain in an hour is possible later in the afternoon, perhaps even 80 millimetres in a few hours. from central southern england, through central england, all the way to the north.
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but i think the really widespread heavy showers will start to form later in the afternoon and into the evening hours. and it does look as though it's these more eastern and northern areas that are at risk from these big downpours, gusty winds, hail and, of course, flash flooding. the met office warns. on monday early we could see still some stormy weather across parts of eastern scotland. but then again, that weather front moves northwards quickly and then behind it, it's the case of sunny spells and just a scattering of showers. and again, one or two thunderstorms as well. so if you miss the storms on sunday, you might actually catch one on monday or even tuesday. now it stays on the warm side, and actually into next week, it does look as though those temperatures will start to pick up again. but you can see from the weather icons, it does look a little mixed.
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live from london, this is bbc news. 37 pupils are killed — and several abducted — as militants linked to the islamic state group attack a school in uganda. if they are telling us the borders are secured, security is tight, i want the security to tell us where they were when these killers came to kill our people. a day after visiting ukraine, a group of african leaders meet vladimir putin in russia — and call for peace talks. teachers in england announce two more days of strike action as part of a long—running pay dispute. a flypast fit for a king — aircraft spell out the initials

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