good morning, good to see you. thanks forjoining me on the radio and the telly as the nation's phone in. there is a big row over coal mines which will be ongoing for goodness knows how many years. but right now the horrendous story, the titanic submarine, your questions. a huge search and rescue mission under way in the north atlantic, search teams racing against time to find the crew of the small sub exploring the crew of the small sub exploring the wreck of the titanic. the five people on board include british businessman and explorer hamish harding and pakistani businessmen shahzada dawood and his 19—year—old son sulaiman. contact was lost with them on sunday evening — as of yesterday afternoon, it was thought the crew members had four days�* worth

of oxygen left at most. we have our correspondents frances read and exports to talk about what could have gone wrong —— and experts. we will also find out about the tech. we want you to get involved. as ever, your knowledge and expertise never ceases to amaze us, so please get in touch. the phone number is 08085 909693, or text on 85058. here is the news from bethan holmes. the search is continuing in the north atlantic for a submersible vessel that's gone missing during a dive to the wreck of the titanic. five people are on board — including british billionaire hamish harding and businessman shahzada dawood

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the search mission is under way, this is a terrifying story. one of the people still missing on the titanic submersible is ceo and founder of 0ceangate stockton rush. he spoke to the bbc�*s travel show last year as part of the take me to titanic documentary. it got one button, that's it. yeah, so we run the sub with this game controller, it is basically a sony playstation style controller but it is made by logitech. press forward to go forward, back to go back etc.

test at 12 volts. go ahead. i started off with the partly finished home built sub i had made myself, then i phoned the business and acquired to sub be manufactured and modified head fully, ifigured out what we wanted. —— acquired a sub which we modified and figured out what we wanted. i had one with similar electronics, the ultimate version that we always wanted. it goes to 13,000 feet, a five person submersible, extraordinary. frances read is our reporter, what exactly is happening? it is frances read is our reporter, what exactly is happening?— exactly is happening? it is the search that — exactly is happening? it is the search that they _ exactly is happening? it is the search that they are _ exactly is happening? it is the search that they are focusing l exactly is happening? it is the i search that they are focusing on, exactly is happening? it is the - search that they are focusing on, us and canadian search teams have joined together, they are the ones racing against time to try to find the small sub in a vast atlantic

ocean. as of yesterday afternoon it 0cean. as of yesterday afternoon it is thought the crew members had at most four days of oxygen left, so the search teams are very confident of that. the sub was going to see the wreck of the titanic about 435 miles south of newfoundland, although the rescue mission is being run from boston, massachusetts. search teams are focused on an area about 900 miles east of cape cod, the water depth is roughly 13,000 feet, the search teams are using sonar buoys to try to locate the vessel. they have described the sea conditions is fairly normal but there is low visibility and fog, it is good enough for multiple aircraft to fly overhead, military planes being used for that, in addition to the submarine and a research ship which was in the area and has conducted a surface search. the research teams hope this vessel is

not trapped or entangled because that would pose difficult questions as to how to rescue them and go about that. as to how to rescue them and go about that-— as to how to rescue them and go about that. ., , _, , about that. the sonar is complicated b the fact about that. the sonar is complicated by the fact there _ about that. the sonar is complicated by the fact there is _ about that. the sonar is complicated by the fact there is a _ about that. the sonar is complicated by the fact there is a lot _ about that. the sonar is complicated by the fact there is a lot of _ by the fact there is a lot of detritus down the and the titanic sits in a trench? it is detritus down the and the titanic sits in a trench?— detritus down the and the titanic sits in a trench? it is a dangerous stretch of ocean, _ sits in a trench? it is a dangerous stretch of ocean, i _ sits in a trench? it is a dangerous stretch of ocean, i think - sits in a trench? it is a dangerous stretch of ocean, i think it - sits in a trench? it is a dangerous stretch of ocean, i think it is - sits in a trench? it is a dangerous stretch of ocean, i think it is fairl stretch of ocean, i think it is fair to say. the vessel itself drops for about two and a half hours to get to the depths of where it needs to go, it is a very simple vessel, as you heard, operated with what looks like a joystick, heard, operated with what looks like ajoystick, it heard, operated with what looks like a joystick, it has small propellers and is operated by this to firm, 0ceangate, but there is no back—up lodge or escape shape so it is very difficult. , ., , , lodge or escape shape so it is very difficult. , . , , ., , , ., difficult. presumably it has been on this mission — difficult. presumably it has been on this mission a _ difficult. presumably it has been on this mission a good _ difficult. presumably it has been on this mission a good few _ difficult. presumably it has been on this mission a good few times? - difficult. presumably it has been on this mission a good few times? if i this mission a good few times? if you look at the website, it was

suggesting it was going to do various forms of these missions to document the titanic, i suppose, as it decays over the decades. we have seen footage from the 80s and how it has decayed until now, people have the opportunity to see this, an eight—day trip costs about £195,000 and so presumably some of the five people on board that we know about will have paid this fee to do this exploration. will have paid this fee to do this exoloration-_ will have paid this fee to do this exloration. ~ ., ., ~ ., ., exploration. what do we know about those on board? _ exploration. what do we know about those on board? five _ exploration. what do we know about those on board? five people - exploration. what do we know about those on board? five people were i exploration. what do we know about| those on board? five people were on board when — those on board? five people were on board when contact _ those on board? five people were on board when contact with _ those on board? five people were on board when contact with the - those on board? five people were on board when contact with the small. board when contact with the small soap was lost, about an hour and 45 minutes into its dive, we know about the british billionaire hamish harding, chairman of an aviation firm, we know about pakistani national shahzada dawood and his son sulaiman who also live in the uk, shahzada dawood is part of an

advisory board for the prince's trust. we think the ceo of 0ceangate expeditions is on board, along with a 72—year—old frenchman. the dawood family said there is currently limited information available but for most submarine officers we have spoken to has said the main challenge for those on board is maintaining composure, not consuming too much oxygen, because if you start to move around the oxygen levels can run lower much faster. dr michelle taylor is a senior lecturer at the deep sea polar biologist at the university of essex. tell us about this area of the north atlantic, if you would? it about this area of the north atlantic, if you would? it can be uuite atlantic, if you would? it can be quite wild. _ atlantic, if you would? it can be quite wild. it — atlantic, if you would? it can be quite wild, it is _ atlantic, if you would? it can be quite wild, it is great _ atlantic, if you would? it can be quite wild, it is great to - atlantic, if you would? it can be quite wild, it is great to hear. atlantic, if you would? it can be| quite wild, it is great to hear the sea conditions are relatively calm. it sea conditions are relatively calm. it needs_ sea conditions are relatively calm. it needs to — sea conditions are relatively calm. it needs to be pretty calm to get

the submersible in so it is good to hear_ the submersible in so it is good to hear it_ the submersible in so it is good to hear it is— the submersible in so it is good to hear it is not— the submersible in so it is good to hear it is not as bad as it can be. what _ hear it is not as bad as it can be. what do — hear it is not as bad as it can be. what do you _ hear it is not as bad as it can be. what do you make of what is happening? i what do you make of what is happening?— what do you make of what is happening? i was actually in a submersible _ happening? i was actually in a submersible about _ happening? i was actually in a submersible about six - happening? i was actually in a submersible about six weeks. happening? i was actually in a i submersible about six weeks ago happening? i was actually in a - submersible about six weeks ago in galapagos, so it feels very real for me. galapagos, so it feels very real for ma that_ galapagos, so it feels very real for me. that will be a challenging rescue — me. that will be a challenging rescue because of the depths involved _ rescue because of the depths involved and the rotation involved, it is a _ involved and the rotation involved, it is a long — involved and the rotation involved, it is a long way from land and relatively— it is a long way from land and relatively isolated, as most of the deep _ relatively isolated, as most of the deep sea — relatively isolated, as most of the deep sea is. my relatively isolated, as most of the deep sea is— relatively isolated, as most of the deep sea is. my understanding is it miaht deep sea is. my understanding is it might have — deep sea is. my understanding is it might have run _ deep sea is. my understanding is it might have run into _ deep sea is. my understanding is it might have run into difficulty - deep sea is. my understanding is it might have run into difficulty on i might have run into difficulty on the way down, released a draft wait to get back to the surface, meaning it is bobbing around and they have not yet found it, or it has sprung some sort of leak which is a terrible scenario, or it is struck near the bottom which could be due to power failure near the bottom which could be due to powerfailure or near the bottom which could be due to power failure or the sub near the bottom which could be due to powerfailure or the sub becoming snagged on something on the bottom

or near the wreck of the titanic. that is a very complicated option. it is very, very deep?— it is very, very deep? yes, it is extraordinary. _ it is very, very deep? yes, it is extraordinary. the _ it is very, very deep? yes, it is extraordinary. the titanic i it is very, very deep? yes, it is extraordinary. the titanic is i it is very, very deep? yes, it is i extraordinary. the titanic is 3800 metres— extraordinary. the titanic is 3800 metres down, that is about average, the ocean— metres down, that is about average, the ocean goes all the way down to 11,000 _ the ocean goes all the way down to 11,000 metres. it is a challenging location _ 11,000 metres. it is a challenging location to— 11,000 metres. it is a challenging location to operate in. my experience of subs as they had so many— experience of subs as they had so many different fail—safe mechanisms, i many different fail—safe mechanisms, i have _ many different fail—safe mechanisms, i have found _ many different fail—safe mechanisms, i have found them to be relatively safe, _ i have found them to be relatively safe, i_ i have found them to be relatively safe, ifeit — i have found them to be relatively safe, i felt really safe in the sub giants _ safe, i felt really safe in the sub giants i — safe, i felt really safe in the sub giants i have done, so the operations will be a challenge in the coming days and it sounds like one of— the coming days and it sounds like one of the — the coming days and it sounds like one of the things i don't see it as there _ one of the things i don't see it as there is— one of the things i don't see it as there is a — one of the things i don't see it as there is a real camaraderie of seagoing _ there is a real camaraderie of seagoing people and everybody will be focused on this —— one of the

things— be focused on this —— one of the things about sea as there is a real camaraderie. it sounds like there are flights — camaraderie. it sounds like there are flights above, there will be ships— are flights above, there will be ships in— are flights above, there will be ships in the area with a remotely operated — ships in the area with a remotely operated vehicles heading towards the area _ operated vehicles heading towards the area so underwater activities can also— the area so underwater activities can also be undertaken. gur can also be undertaken. our listeners _ can also be undertaken. our listeners and _ can also be undertaken. our listeners and viewers' i can also be undertaken. oi" listeners and viewers' expertise is extraordinary on all matter of manners. doug in abu dhabi, you worked on manned submersible is as a navigator in the 805, over to worked on manned 5ubmer5ible is as a navigator in the 805, over to you. yes, the first thing you should do is to— yes, the first thing you should do is to spell— yes, the first thing you should do is to spell the _ yes, the first thing you should do is to spell the hollywood - yes, the first thing you should do is to spell the hollywood myths l is to spell the hollywood myths about _ is to spell the hollywood myths about deep— is to spell the hollywood myths about deep sea _ is to spell the hollywood myths about deep sea diving - is to spell the hollywood myths about deep sea diving —— - is to spell the hollywood mythsl about deep sea diving —— dispel. everything — about deep sea diving —— dispel. everything is _ about deep sea diving —— dispel. everything is acoustic, _

about deep sea diving —— dispel. everything is acoustic, there i about deep sea diving —— dispel. everything is acoustic, there arej everything is acoustic, there are layers— everything is acoustic, there are layers in— everything is acoustic, there are layers in deep— everything is acoustic, there are layers in deep water— everything is acoustic, there are layers in deep water particularlyj layers in deep water particularly with different _ layers in deep water particularly with different temperatures i layers in deep water particularly with different temperatures etc| layers in deep water particularly- with different temperatures etc and they can _ with different temperatures etc and they can even — with different temperatures etc and they can even block _ with different temperatures etc and they can even block acoustic - they can even block acoustic signals, _ they can even block acoustic signals, which— they can even block acoustic signals, which makes- they can even block acoustic| signals, which makes finding they can even block acoustic i signals, which makes finding the they can even block acoustic - signals, which makes finding the sub very difficult — signals, which makes finding the sub very difficult if— signals, which makes finding the sub very difficult if it _ signals, which makes finding the sub very difficult if it is _ signals, which makes finding the sub very difficult if it is at _ signals, which makes finding the sub very difficult if it is at the _ very difficult if it is at the bottom _ very difficult if it is at the bottom-— very difficult if it is at the bottom. ~ . ., ., ., bottom. what might have gone wrong? possibl a bottom. what might have gone wrong? possibly a power _ bottom. what might have gone wrong? possibly a power issue? _ bottom. what might have gone wrong? possibly a power issue? that _ bottom. what might have gone wrong? possibly a power issue? that is - possibly a power issue? that is ossibl possibly a power issue? that is possibly one — possibly a power issue? that is possibly one of _ possibly a power issue? that is possibly one of the _ possibly a power issue? that is possibly one of the problems. | possibly a power issue? that is possibly one of the problems. i think— possibly one of the problems. i think that — possibly one of the problems. i think that the _ possibly one of the problems. i think that the acoustic - possibly one of the problems. i think that the acoustic system i think that the acoustic system should — think that the acoustic system should have _ think that the acoustic system should have independent i think that the acoustic system i should have independent battery back-up, — should have independent battery back-up. there _ should have independent battery back—up, there was— should have independent battery back—up, there was one - should have independent battery back—up, there was one time i should have independent battery back—up, there was one time inl should have independent battery. back—up, there was one time in the north— back—up, there was one time in the north sea _ back—up, there was one time in the north sea we — back—up, there was one time in the north sea we were _ back—up, there was one time in the north sea we were searching - back—up, there was one time in the north sea we were searching for i back—up, there was one time in the north sea we were searching for a i north sea we were searching for a crashed _ north sea we were searching for a crashed helicopter, _ north sea we were searching for a crashed helicopter, we _ north sea we were searching for a crashed helicopter, we looked i north sea we were searching for a crashed helicopter, we looked for| crashed helicopter, we looked for days with — crashed helicopter, we looked for days with sonar— crashed helicopter, we looked for days with sonar and _ crashed helicopter, we looked for days with sonar and the _ crashed helicopter, we looked for days with sonar and the two i crashed helicopter, we looked for. days with sonar and the two ex—navy submersible — days with sonar and the two ex—navy submersible pilots _ days with sonar and the two ex—navy submersible pilots were _ days with sonar and the two ex—navy submersible pilots were getting i days with sonar and the two ex—navy submersible pilots were getting veryj submersible pilots were getting very agitated _ submersible pilots were getting very agitated because _ submersible pilots were getting very agitated because they _ submersible pilots were getting very agitated because they knew- submersible pilots were getting very agitated because they knew they i agitated because they knew they could _ agitated because they knew they could find — agitated because they knew they could find it _ agitated because they knew they could find it using _ agitated because they knew they could find it using a _ agitated because they knew they could find it using a sub - agitated because they knew they could find it using a sub and i agitated because they knew they i could find it using a sub and stereo microphones — could find it using a sub and stereo microphones. once _ could find it using a sub and stereo microphones. once we _ could find it using a sub and stereo microphones. once we launch- could find it using a sub and stereo microphones. once we launch the. could find it using a sub and stereo i microphones. once we launch the subs without— microphones. once we launch the subs without the _ microphones. once we launch the subs without the helicopters _ microphones. once we launch the subs without the helicopters in _ microphones. once we launch the subs

without the helicopters in a _ microphones. once we launch the subs without the helicopters in a matter- without the helicopters in a matter of hours _ without the helicopters in a matter of hours using _ without the helicopters in a matter of hours using acoustics, - without the helicopters in a matter of hours using acoustics, but i without the helicopters in a matter of hours using acoustics, but the l of hours using acoustics, but the problem — of hours using acoustics, but the problem is — of hours using acoustics, but the problem is getting _ of hours using acoustics, but the problem is getting rescue - of hours using acoustics, but the problem is getting rescue units. of hours using acoustics, but the i problem is getting rescue units that can get— problem is getting rescue units that can get down— problem is getting rescue units that can get down to _ problem is getting rescue units that can get down to depth, _ problem is getting rescue units that can get down to depth, they- problem is getting rescue units that can get down to depth, they are i problem is getting rescue units that. can get down to depth, they are very rare _ can get down to depth, they are very rare. �* , ., ., , can get down to depth, they are very rare. �* y., ., , ., , rare. and you end camberwell “oins us, don't rare. and you end camberwell “oins am so _ rare. and you end camberwell “oins am so too i rare. and you end camberwell “oins us, don't go too far, i rare. and you end camberwell “oins us, don't go too far, doug. i rare. and you end camberwell “oins us, don't go too far, doug. -- i us, don't go too far, doug. —— andrew in camberwelljoin5 u5. us, don't go too far, doug. —— andrew in camberwelljoin5 us. what would you like to ask? haste andrew in camberwell “oins us. what would you like to ask?— would you like to ask? have we any submit wheels _ would you like to ask? have we any submit wheels in _ would you like to ask? have we any submit wheels in the _ would you like to ask? have we any submit wheels in the area? - would you like to ask? have we any submit wheels in the area? is i would you like to ask? have we anyj submit wheels in the area? is there anything _ submit wheels in the area? is there anything we can be doing submarine wise to— anything we can be doing submarine wise to be _ anything we can be doing submarine wise to be searching —— have we any submarines? — wise to be searching -- have we any submarines?— wise to be searching -- have we any submarines? . ~ , ., submarines? frank owen is the former director of the — submarines? frank owen is the former director of the australian _ submarines? frank owen is the former director of the australian submarine i director of the australian submarine search and re5cue project. can you comment on that question from andrew? thy, comment on that question from andrew? �* . . comment on that question from andrew? . . , , ., ., , andrew? a naval submarine generally will not operate _ andrew? a naval submarine generally will not operate much _ andrew? a naval submarine generally will not operate much below - andrew? a naval submarine generally will not operate much below about i will not operate much below about 300 metres, and so they are

operating at a different space altogether. they would also have 5onar5 altogether. they would also have sonar5 that would have real difficulty getting through the layers and all of the distractions in the water column to get down there. they are not the best asset unless the 5ubmer5ible i5 there. they are not the best asset unless the 5ubmer5ible is making some noise where they could hear it, and a submarine i5 some noise where they could hear it, and a submarine is very good for hearing, but they could not get down and do anything. they would need to outcla55, remotely operated vehicle to get down to help with whatever is causing this. to get down to help with whatever is causing this-— to get down to help with whatever is causina this. ., ., .., causing this. doug, want to come in? there was a — causing this. doug, want to come in? there was a pisces _ causing this. doug, want to come in? there was a pisces three _ causing this. doug, want to come in? there was a pisces three submarine l there was a pisces three submarine lost off— there was a pisces three submarine lost off southern _

there was a pisces three submarine lost off southern ireland _ there was a pisces three submarine lost off southern ireland in - there was a pisces three submarine lost off southern ireland in 1973, i lost off southern ireland in 1973, the bbc— lost off southern ireland in 1973, the bbc has _ lost off southern ireland in 1973, the bbc has archives _ lost off southern ireland in 1973, the bbc has archives of- lost off southern ireland in 1973, the bbc has archives of this, i lost off southern ireland in 1973, l the bbc has archives of this, they were _ the bbc has archives of this, they were at_ the bbc has archives of this, they were at depths _ the bbc has archives of this, they were at depths of _ the bbc has archives of this, they were at depths of 480 _ the bbc has archives of this, they were at depths of 480 metres. i the bbc has archives of this, they. were at depths of 480 metres. the deepest _ were at depths of 480 metres. the deepest rescue _ were at depths of 480 metres. the deepest rescue subs, _ were at depths of 480 metres. the deepest rescue subs, you - were at depths of 480 metres. the deepest rescue subs, you are - were at depths of 480 metres. the i deepest rescue subs, you are talking 600 metres— deepest rescue subs, you are talking 600 metres at— deepest rescue subs, you are talking 600 metres at most, _ deepest rescue subs, you are talking 600 metres at most, the _ deepest rescue subs, you are talking 600 metres at most, the navy- deepest rescue subs, you are talking 600 metres at most, the navy subs| deepest rescue subs, you are talking . 600 metres at most, the navy subs do not go _ 600 metres at most, the navy subs do not go much _ 600 metres at most, the navy subs do not go much more _ 600 metres at most, the navy subs do not go much more than _ 600 metres at most, the navy subs do not go much more than 600 _ 600 metres at most, the navy subs do not go much more than 600 metres. . not go much more than 600 metres. the problem — not go much more than 600 metres. the probtem too _ not go much more than 600 metres. the problem too as _ not go much more than 600 metres. the problem too as i— not go much more than 600 metres. the problem too as i imagine - not go much more than 600 metres. the problem too as i imagine the - the problem too as i imagine the military— the problem too as i imagine the military acoustic— the problem too as i imagine the military acoustic systems - the problem too as i imagine the military acoustic systems were i military acoustic systems were trying — military acoustic systems were trying to— military acoustic systems were trying to detect _ military acoustic systems were trying to detect foreign - military acoustic systems were trying to detect foreign subs, i military acoustic systems were - trying to detect foreign subs, they are all_ trying to detect foreign subs, they are all designed _ trying to detect foreign subs, they are all designed to _ trying to detect foreign subs, they are all designed to cover- trying to detect foreign subs, they are all designed to cover the - trying to detect foreign subs, they| are all designed to cover the depth that military— are all designed to cover the depth that military subs _ are all designed to cover the depth that military subs are _ are all designed to cover the depth that military subs are likely - are all designed to cover the depth that military subs are likely to - are all designed to cover the depth that military subs are likely to be l that military subs are likely to be operating — that military subs are likely to be operating arts. _ that military subs are likely to be operating arts, this _ that military subs are likely to be operating arts, this is _ that military subs are likely to be operating arts, this is likely- that military subs are likely to be operating arts, this is likely to i that military subs are likely to be| operating arts, this is likely to be way tretow— operating arts, this is likely to be way below that _ operating arts, this is likely to be way below that depth. _ operating arts, this is likely to be way below that depth.— operating arts, this is likely to be way below that depth. imagine as well, ou way below that depth. imagine as well, you haven't _ way below that depth. imagine as well, you haven't been _ way below that depth. imagine as well, you haven't been a - well, you haven't been a professional submariner, well, you haven't been a professionalsubmariner, doug, you professional submariner, doug, you would professionalsubmariner, doug, you would have training for the psychology of this —— you having been. i can't imagine what it must been. i can't imagine what it must be like to keep calm. i been. i can't imagine what it must be like to keep calm.—

be like to keep calm. i didn't get much training. _ be like to keep calm. i didn't get much training. there _ be like to keep calm. i didn't get much training. there were - be like to keep calm. i didn't geti much training. there were tests, be like to keep calm. i didn't get i much training. there were tests, it is a bit _ much training. there were tests, it is a bit off— much training. there were tests, it is a bit off the _ much training. there were tests, it is a bit off the wall _ much training. there were tests, it is a bit off the wall but _ much training. there were tests, it is a bit off the wall but on - much training. there were tests, it is a bit off the wall but on your- is a bit off the wall but on your first— is a bit off the wall but on your first dive — is a bit off the wall but on your first dive the _ is a bit off the wall but on your first dive the pilot _ is a bit off the wall but on your first dive the pilot squirts - is a bit off the wall but on your first dive the pilot squirts you i first dive the pilot squirts you with— first dive the pilot squirts you with a — first dive the pilot squirts you with a water— first dive the pilot squirts you with a water pistol— first dive the pilot squirts you with a water pistol to - first dive the pilot squirts you with a water pistol to see - first dive the pilot squirts you | with a water pistol to see how first dive the pilot squirts you - with a water pistol to see how you react, _ with a water pistol to see how you react, but — with a water pistol to see how you react, but on_ with a water pistol to see how you react, but on some _ with a water pistol to see how you react, but on some commercial. with a water pistol to see how you - react, but on some commercial drives the ship _ react, but on some commercial drives the ship is _ react, but on some commercial drives the ship is my— react, but on some commercial drives the ship is my crew— react, but on some commercial drives the ship is my crew were _ react, but on some commercial drives the ship is my crew were of— react, but on some commercial drives the ship is my crew were of the - the ship is my crew were of the chances — the ship is my crew were of the chances to— the ship is my crew were of the chances to go _ the ship is my crew were of the chances to go down, _ the ship is my crew were of the chances to go down, some - the ship is my crew were of the i chances to go down, some loved the ship is my crew were of the . chances to go down, some loved it and others — chances to go down, some loved it and others did— chances to go down, some loved it and others did not— chances to go down, some loved it and others did not want— chances to go down, some loved it and others did not want to - chances to go down, some loved it and others did not want to know, i chances to go down, some loved it. and others did not want to know, but there _ and others did not want to know, but there was— and others did not want to know, but there was no— and others did not want to know, but there was no psychological— and others did not want to know, but there was no psychological training l there was no psychological training as such _ there was no psychological training as such in — there was no psychological training as such in those _ there was no psychological training as such in those days, _ there was no psychological training as such in those days, just - there was no psychological training as such in those days, just on - there was no psychological training| as such in those days, just on some commercial— as such in those days, just on some commercial drives _ as such in those days, just on some commercial drives the _ as such in those days, just on some commercial drives the ship - as such in those days, just on some commercial drives the ship is - as such in those days, just on some commercial drives the ship is my. commercial drives the ship is my crew— commercial drives the ship is my crew were — commercial drives the ship is my crew were of— commercial drives the ship is my crew were of the _ commercial drives the ship is my crew were of the chances - commercial drives the ship is my crew were of the chances to - commercial drives the ship is my crew were of the chances to go l commercial drives the ship is my- crew were of the chances to go down, some _ crew were of the chances to go down, some toved _ crew were of the chances to go down, some loved it — crew were of the chances to go down, some loved it and _ crew were of the chances to go down, some loved it and others _ crew were of the chances to go down, some loved it and others did - 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offered chances. does that answer| your question, andrew? it answers erfectl , your question, andrew? it answers perfectly. i — your question, andrew? it answers perfectly. i will— your question, andrew? it answers perfectly, i will not _ your question, andrew? it answers perfectly, i will not take _ your question, andrew? it answers perfectly, i will not take up - your question, andrew? it answers perfectly, i will not take up any - your question, andrew? it answers perfectly, i will not take up any ofl perfectly, i will not take up any of your time, perfectly, i will not take up any of yourtime, your perfectly, i will not take up any of your time, your two excellent experts have made it clear. michelle, what is it like down there? you have been on so many submarines. there? you have been on so many submarines— there? you have been on so many submarines. , . , . , submarines. the experience is really otherworldly. _ submarines. the experience is really otherworldly. you — submarines. the experience is really otherworldly, you kind _ submarines. the experience is really otherworldly, you kind of— submarines. the experience is really otherworldly, you kind of descend i otherworldly, you kind of descend below _ otherworldly, you kind of descend below where the light disappears,

about— below where the light disappears, about 200 metres, you don't get li-ht about 200 metres, you don't get light any— about 200 metres, you don't get light any more. you find a few photohs — light any more. you find a few photons at 1000 metres but not many. as you _ photons at 1000 metres but not many. as you go— photons at 1000 metres but not many. as you go down it gets older and holder. — as you go down it gets older and holder, the bottom of the ocean is about— holder, the bottom of the ocean is about two — holder, the bottom of the ocean is about two to 4 degrees so inside the submersible you are in a tropical environment and you go from feeling quite warm _ environment and you go from feeling quite warm to layering onjogging pants— quite warm to layering onjogging pants and — quite warm to layering onjogging pants andjumpers quite warm to layering onjogging pants and jumpers because it is not a sensible _ pants and jumpers because it is not a sensible use of energy to have heaters — a sensible use of energy to have heaters inside the submersible. the world _ heaters inside the submersible. the world outside the little portal is incredible and it is what much of our world — incredible and it is what much of our world is, incredible and it is what much of ourworld is, deep sea. 30 incredible and it is what much of ourworld is, deep sea. 50 it incredible and it is what much of our world is, deep sea.- our world is, deep sea. so it will be cold at _ our world is, deep sea. so it will be cold at the _ our world is, deep sea. so it will be cold at the moment? - our world is, deep sea. so it will be cold at the moment? i - our world is, deep sea. so it will be cold at the moment? i thinkl our world is, deep sea. so it will| be cold at the moment? i think it will be. be cold at the moment? i think it will be- m _ be cold at the moment? i think it will be. i'm sure _ be cold at the moment? i think it will be. i'm sure they _ be cold at the moment? i think it will be. i'm sure they will - be cold at the moment? i think it will be. i'm sure they will have i will be. i'm sure they will have taken — will be. i'm sure they will have taken lots _ will be. i'm sure they will have taken lots of layers to keep warm. we have _ taken lots of layers to keep warm. we have text questions, why has it not a distress beacon been activated

or deployed? frank owen? the distress beacon _ or deployed? frank owen? tie: distress beacon is interesting, or deployed? frank owen? ti9 distress beacon is interesting, they don't necessarily have beacons they can release to the surface. they will have systems that when they the surface there will be radio transmitters and gps signals going back up, there will be strobe lights and radar reflectors to help the searching forces find them, but the beacons themselves would need some means of being expelled or propelled to the surface. generally the submersible itself is its own beacon. that is why you were talking earlier about plant weights, they can release, these are several hundred kilos of metal, it does not

require power, you can have a hydraulic hand pump to cut the cable and you would have expected that would have occurred to provide the extra buoyancy to get to the surface. _, , ,:, extra buoyancy to get to the surface. _, , . : , surface. our correspondent frances reid, the surface. our correspondent frances reid. the tech _ surface. our correspondent frances reid, the tech is _ surface. our correspondent frances reid, the tech is pretty _ surface. our correspondent frances reid, the tech is pretty simple - surface. our correspondent frances reid, the tech is pretty simple on l reid, the tech is pretty simple on this? . , ., reid, the tech is pretty simple on this? . , . , ,, , reid, the tech is pretty simple on this? . , : this? that is what strikes so much, 'ust how this? that is what strikes so much, just how simple — this? that is what strikes so much, just how simple it _ this? that is what strikes so much, just how simple it is. _ this? that is what strikes so much, just how simple it is. we _ this? that is what strikes so much, just how simple it is. we have - this? that is what strikes so much, j just how simple it is. we have seen video— just how simple it is. we have seen video of— just how simple it is. we have seen video of stockton rush, who is meant to be on— video of stockton rush, who is meant to be on there, showing us around this vessel. — to be on there, showing us around this vessel, it is literally a joystick. _ this vessel, it is literally a joystick, almost like a playstation or xbox— joystick, almost like a playstation or xbox or— joystick, almost like a playstation or xbox or something. a couple of what _ or xbox or something. a couple of what look— or xbox or something. a couple of what look like propellers or similar on the _ what look like propellers or similar on the outside and then this small vessel. _ on the outside and then this small vessel. it — on the outside and then this small vessel, it has been said it is comfortable but when we are talking about _ comfortable but when we are talking about those kinds of vessels it is pretty— about those kinds of vessels it is pretty small and it drops and drops and drops — pretty small and it drops and drops and drops as far as it can go. that is part— and drops as far as it can go. that is part of— and drops as far as it can go. that

is part of this _ and drops as far as it can go. that is part of this challenge, that is why it _ is part of this challenge, that is why it is — is part of this challenge, that is why it is seen as such and explorative expedition. you are probably— explorative expedition. you are probably best asking the person who has been _ probably best asking the person who has been on the boat from our understanding use it and it is pretty— understanding use it and it is pretty cramped, i have heard reports that it _ pretty cramped, i have heard reports that it is _ pretty cramped, i have heard reports that it is relatively comfortable and you — that it is relatively comfortable and you can move around somewhat but it is very _ and you can move around somewhat but it is very much _ and you can move around somewhat but it is very much a seated vessel. mike _ it is very much a seated vessel. mike rice — it is very much a seated vessel. mike rice is a, the writer who worked on the simpsons, heated the same trip last year with 0ceangate expeditions chow and gave us his thoughts —— he did the same trip. picture an suv with the seats taken out, it is about that size, it seats five passengers comfortably but you are just sitting on the floor and it is very relaxing and comfortable, i

actually fell asleep going down to the titanic. it is a two and a half hourjourney the titanic. it is a two and a half hour journey down and the titanic. it is a two and a half hourjourney down and it could not be lower tech. tiara hourjourney down and it could not be lower tech.— be lower tech. two and half hour “ourne be lower tech. two and half hour journey down. — be lower tech. two and half hour journey down, that _ be lower tech. two and half hour journey down, that says - be lower tech. two and half hour journey down, that says it - be lower tech. two and half hour journey down, that says it all. i journey down, that says it all. michelle taylor, two and a half hours? . . hours? yes, i agree with the gentleman — hours? yes, i agree with the gentleman speaking - hours? yes, i agree with the gentleman speaking then, . hours? yes, i agree with the gentleman speaking then, it| hours? yes, i agree with the l gentleman speaking then, it is hours? yes, i agree with the - gentleman speaking then, it is very calmin9~ _ gentleman speaking then, it is very calming. you don't have your electronic— calming. you don't have your electronic devices, don't take your phone. _ electronic devices, don't take your phone. you — electronic devices, don't take your phone, you are cut off from the worlds — phone, you are cut off from the worlds but _ phone, you are cut off from the worlds but it can be very relaxing watching — worlds but it can be very relaxing watching the ocean drift past as you -et watching the ocean drift past as you get down _ watching the ocean drift past as you get down to the bottom. as a scientist _ get down to the bottom. as a scientist time preparing, thinking about— scientist time preparing, thinking about my— scientist time preparing, thinking about my paperwork and what i will be recording, hopefully the animals and ecosystems i might find, so it can be _ and ecosystems i might find, so it can be exciting too.—

can be exciting too. what sort of communication _ can be exciting too. what sort of communication can _ can be exciting too. what sort of communication can you - can be exciting too. what sort of communication can you use - can be exciting too. what sort of communication can you use at i can be exciting too. what sort of. communication can you use at that depth, you can't radio?— depth, you can't radio? there is actually a _ depth, you can't radio? there is actually a form _ depth, you can't radio? there is actually a form of _ depth, you can't radio? there is actually a form of radio, - depth, you can't radio? there is actually a form of radio, i - depth, you can't radio? there is actually a form of radio, i was i depth, you can't radio? there is i actually a form of radio, i was very surprised _ actually a form of radio, i was very surprised when i was on the expedition quite recently, you can speak— expedition quite recently, you can speak to _ expedition quite recently, you can speak to the surface intermittently but it _ speak to the surface intermittently but it is _ speak to the surface intermittently but it is really difficult and we did not— but it is really difficult and we did not get to the depths of 3800 metres. _ did not get to the depths of 3800 metres, we were at 2000 metres. you were auoin metres, we were at 2000 metres. you were going to _ metres, we were at 2000 metres. gm. were going to come in, frances read? yes, i think it is the intermittent connection which has been quite important in this rescue but which raises lots of questions, because if intermittent contact is normal then there are questions surrounding how there are questions surrounding how the normal and how intermittent, and thatis the normal and how intermittent, and that is one of the larger questions when you have such a small vessel going to such lower depths of the ocean where there are not normally rescues up that kind of depth are

not normally communications, when you then almost expect... i know one of the people be heard from across bbc news this morning has talked about how they didn't always expect communication all the time, i think potentially it is the length of noncommunication at the moment that is a concern, but it raises other questions, how often should you be able to communicate, standard check ins etc. i think that has been one of the concerns surrounding this search and knowing where they are, when and how they should communicate.— when and how they should communicate. : ~ , when and how they should communicate. : a , communicate. and doug in abu dhabi, what about the — communicate. and doug in abu dhabi, what about the currents? _ communicate. and doug in abu dhabi, what about the currents? what - communicate. and doug in abu dhabi, what about the currents? what are - what about the currents? what are they like and their effects on larger and smaller vehicles? i they like and their effects on larger and smaller vehicles? i saw the specifications, _ larger and smaller vehicles? i saw the specifications, in _ larger and smaller vehicles? i saw the specifications, in the - larger and smaller vehicles? i saw the specifications, in the shetland you get— the specifications, in the shetland you get 79 not currents, if you get

caught _ you get 79 not currents, if you get caught in— you get 79 not currents, if you get caught in that you have to run on to a beach _ caught in that you have to run on to a beach if— caught in that you have to run on to a beach if i— caught in that you have to run on to a beach. if i could comment on diving. — a beach. if i could comment on diving. in — a beach. if i could comment on diving, in the commercial world we always— diving, in the commercial world we always had — diving, in the commercial world we always had two identical cluster edge _ always had two identical cluster edge so — always had two identical cluster edge so if the first one got in trouble — edge so if the first one got in trouble the second one is ready to launch— trouble the second one is ready to launch and — trouble the second one is ready to launch and sort out the problems. these _ launch and sort out the problems. these independent organisations are --oin these independent organisations are going out— these independent organisations are going out withjust these independent organisations are going out with just one these independent organisations are going out withjust one sub, you are 'ust going out withjust one sub, you are just asking — going out withjust one sub, you are just asking for trouble. going out with just one sub, you are just asking for trouble.— going out withjust one sub, you are just asking for trouble. why? you have no back-up, _ just asking for trouble. why? you have no back-up, and _ just asking for trouble. why? you have no back-up, and the - just asking for trouble. why? you - have no back-up, and the submersible are scattered — have no back-up, and the submersible are scattered around _ have no back-up, and the submersible are scattered around the _ have no back-up, and the submersible are scattered around the world, - have no back-up, and the submersible are scattered around the world, some| are scattered around the world, some are scattered around the world, some are extremely heavy and getting a sub that _ are extremely heavy and getting a sub that can get down to that depth to try— sub that can get down to that depth to try to— sub that can get down to that depth to try to help find them, you are talking _ to try to help find them, you are talking days before you can get them mobilised. _ talking days before you can get them mobilised. i�*m talking days before you can get them mobilised. �* :, :, , .

mobilised. i'm going to bring in a titanic expert _ mobilised. i'm going to bring in a titanic expert and _ mobilised. i'm going to bring in a titanic expert and author, - titanic expert and author, tim maltin. good morning. give us your thoughts on this trip? this maltin. good morning. give us your thoughts on this trip?— thoughts on this trip? this period of worry we _ thoughts on this trip? this period of worry we are — thoughts on this trip? this period of worry we are all _ thoughts on this trip? this period of worry we are all experiencing l thoughts on this trip? this period i of worry we are all experiencing for the people on the sub really reminds me of that time 111 years ago when the titanic had sunk, we knew that, but we did not know who had survived or how. the news blackout is what we are experiencing at the moment so this reminds me of the tragedy happening all over again. i this reminds me of the tragedy happening all over again. i think it is fair to reflect _ happening all over again. i think it is fair to reflect that _ happening all over again. i think it is fair to reflect that some - happening all over again. i think it is fair to reflect that some of - happening all over again. i think it is fair to reflect that some of our i is fair to reflect that some of our texts have been quite hostile to the very rich people doing this kind of thing, then the attraction and deal exploration, is completely understandable too —— then the attraction and allure. the company

says on its website that it is a scientific expedition, do you see it as such? i scientific expedition, do you see it as such? . . . scientific expedition, do you see it as such? , . , :, scientific expedition, do you see it as such? , ., :, :, . as such? i see it as more of a tourist trip. _ as such? i see it as more of a tourist trip, however - as such? i see it as more of a tourist trip, however it - as such? i see it as more of a tourist trip, however it is - as such? i see it as more of a - tourist trip, however it is pushing the envelope of what is capable. the wreck of the titanic is nearly two miles under the sea, it is cold, dark, it is like going to the moon or into space, there are very few subs which could affect a rescue because there are not many vehicles on this earth that can go that deep and that is one of the issues we are facing at the moment. i am and that is one of the issues we are facing at the moment.— facing at the moment. i am 'ust lookin: facing at the moment. i am 'ust looking at fl facing at the moment. i am 'ust looking at the i facing at the moment. i am 'ust looking at the 0ceangate h facing at the moment. i am just i looking at the 0ceangate website, facing at the moment. i am just - looking at the 0ceangate website, i will give you more in a moment, but we have another contributor, barbara in st helens. what is your question? given it is about two miles down, be think. _ given it is about two miles down, be think. i_ given it is about two miles down, be think. i am _ given it is about two miles down, be think. iam no—

given it is about two miles down, be think, i am no expert but i understand the pressure of water when _ understand the pressure of water when you — understand the pressure of water when you get to those deaths is quite _ when you get to those deaths is quite significant and i wondered how that might _ quite significant and i wondered how that might impact the submersible, the actual— that might impact the submersible, the actual pressure of water, if it is on _ the actual pressure of water, if it is on the — the actual pressure of water, if it is on the sea bed? if they have hit something. — is on the sea bed? if they have hit something, and they might have sprung _ something, and they might have sprung a — something, and they might have sprung a leak or something, would that impact it?— that impact it? interesting question- _ that impact it? interesting question. frank— that impact it? interesting question. frank owen, - that impact it? interesting - question. frank owen, former director of the australian submarine rescue under ocean project? the rescue under ocean pro'ect? the ressure rescue under ocean pro'ect? the pressure is — rescue under ocean project? ti9 pressure is immense, 400 times the pressure is immense, 400 times the pressure we experience on the surface in our normal lives. that is huge. but what happens to the submersible, it is designed for that. it will compress a little as the pressure is at that depth, but all of the systems are designed to

accommodate that. it is certainly not at all possible for a human to survive outside in that environment. could i chip in? i believe looking at that— could i chip in? i believe looking at that submersible's _ could i chip in? i believe looking i at that submersible's specification it has— at that submersible's specification it has a _ at that submersible's specification it has a stress— at that submersible's specification it has a stress monitoring - at that submersible's specification it has a stress monitoring systemi it has a stress monitoring system whereby— it has a stress monitoring system whereby it— it has a stress monitoring system whereby it basically— it has a stress monitoring system whereby it basically listens - it has a stress monitoring system whereby it basically listens to - it has a stress monitoring system whereby it basically listens to the compressing _ whereby it basically listens to the compressing and _ whereby it basically listens to the compressing and crackling - whereby it basically listens to the compressing and crackling and i whereby it basically listens to thei compressing and crackling and will -ive compressing and crackling and will give the _ compressing and crackling and will give the pilot— compressing and crackling and will give the pilot warning _ compressing and crackling and will give the pilot warning if _ compressing and crackling and will give the pilot warning if there i compressing and crackling and will give the pilot warning if there is. give the pilot warning if there is major_ give the pilot warning if there is major noise _ give the pilot warning if there is major noise in— give the pilot warning if there is major noise in the _ give the pilot warning if there is major noise in the hull, - give the pilot warning if there is major noise in the hull, there i give the pilot warning if there is major noise in the hull, there is give the pilot warning if there is. major noise in the hull, there is a monitoring — major noise in the hull, there is a monitoring system _ major noise in the hull, there is a monitoring system for— major noise in the hull, there is a monitoring system for the - major noise in the hull, there is a monitoring system for the hull. . monitoring system for the hull. barbara? — monitoring system for the hull. barbara? lt— monitoring system for the hull. barbara? . monitoring system for the hull. barbara? , _, :, :, monitoring system for the hull. barbara? , :, :, . barbara? it is comforting to hear that but i wonder _ barbara? it is comforting to hear that but i wonder whether - barbara? it is comforting to hear that but i wonder whether it i barbara? it is comforting to hear that but i wonder whether it has| barbara? it is comforting to hearl that but i wonder whether it has a monitoring system, could that be picked upon by the rescuers? they are saying that the field is quite huge and i wondered whether that could confuse the sonar, could the

monitoring system be picked up on from so far above? if monitoring system be picked up on from so far above? iii monitoring system be picked up on from so far above?— from so far above? if i could come in, i from so far above? if i could come in. i have — from so far above? if i could come in, i have been _ from so far above? if i could come in, i have been underwater- from so far above? if i could come in, i have been underwater with i in, i have been underwaterwith acoustic— in, i have been underwaterwith acoustic positioning _ in, i have been underwaterwith acoustic positioning systems i in, i have been underwater withl acoustic positioning systems and headphones— acoustic positioning systems and headphones on _ acoustic positioning systems and headphones on and _ acoustic positioning systems and headphones on and when - acoustic positioning systems and headphones on and when we i acoustic positioning systems and. headphones on and when we send acoustic positioning systems and i headphones on and when we send out pings. _ headphones on and when we send out pings. depending _ headphones on and when we send out pings. depending on— headphones on and when we send out pings, depending on conditions i headphones on and when we send out pings, depending on conditions you i pings, depending on conditions you can get— pings, depending on conditions you can get a _ pings, depending on conditions you can get a single _ pings, depending on conditions you can get a single ping _ pings, depending on conditions you can get a single ping bag, - pings, depending on conditions you can get a single ping bag, which i pings, depending on conditions you can get a single ping bag, which isi can get a single ping bag, which is great. _ can get a single ping bag, which is great. or— can get a single ping bag, which is great. or you _ can get a single ping bag, which is great. oryou can— can get a single ping bag, which is great, or you can hear— can get a single ping bag, which is great, or you can hear like - can get a single ping bag, which is great, or you can hear like churchi great, or you can hear like church bells _ great, or you can hear like church bells ringing _ great, or you can hear like church bells ringing around _ great, or you can hear like church bells ringing around you, - great, or you can hear like church| bells ringing around you, meaning the signal— bells ringing around you, meaning the signal has _ bells ringing around you, meaning the signal has been _ bells ringing around you, meaning the signal has been bounced i bells ringing around you, meaning the signal has been bounced off. the signal has been bounced off everything. _ the signal has been bounced off everything. it— the signal has been bounced off everything-— the signal has been bounced off eve hinr. . . . ,, everything. it is amazing when you think we can _ everything. it is amazing when you think we can go — everything. it is amazing when you think we can go into _ everything. it is amazing when you think we can go into space - everything. it is amazing when you think we can go into space and i everything. it is amazing when you think we can go into space and go | everything. it is amazing when you l think we can go into space and go so many— think we can go into space and go so many miles— think we can go into space and go so many miles up into space but we can't _ many miles up into space but we can't explore the depths of our own planet. _ can't explore the depths of our own planet. it _ can't explore the depths of our own planet. it is— can't explore the depths of our own planet, it is something to go down on the _ planet, it is something to go down on the sea — planet, it is something to go down on the sea bed. perhaps they may look into— on the sea bed. perhaps they may look into that now. i know we had submarines — look into that now. i know we had submarines and that kind of thing but it— submarines and that kind of thing but it seems to be so difficult for

them _ but it seems to be so difficult for them to— but it seems to be so difficult for them to get down and locate that. thank— them to get down and locate that. thank you — them to get down and locate that. thank you for answering my question. thank— thank you for answering my question. thank you _ thank you for answering my question. thank you for— thank you for answering my question. thank you for asking. tim maltin, titanic expert and author, would you be tempted to go on an expedition like this?— on an expedition like this? tempted because it would _ on an expedition like this? tempted because it would be _ on an expedition like this? tempted because it would be amazing - on an expedition like this? tempted because it would be amazing to i on an expedition like this? tempted because it would be amazing to get| because it would be amazing to get to the spot for those events took place all those years ago but i think i would have been a bit scared and one can hardly see your hand in front of yourface and one can hardly see your hand in front of your face down there, it is pitch black so one almost gets an impression of the ship, the sonar images that we saw some weeks ago coming from the sea bed and you can see it better. it's like watching wimbledon or a formula i see it better. it's like watching wimbledon or a formula 1 race, you see it better on the television than you do seeing it there. lereihgt see it better on the television than you do seeing it there.— see it better on the television than you do seeing it there. what do we still have to _ you do seeing it there. what do we still have to learn _ you do seeing it there. what do we still have to learn about _ you do seeing it there. what do we still have to learn about the - still have to learn about the

titanic? i still have to learn about the titanic? ~ �* . . titanic? i think there's quite a few thins. titanic? i think there's quite a few things- one _ titanic? i think there's quite a few things- one of— titanic? i think there's quite a few things. one of the _ titanic? i think there's quite a few things. one of the secrets - titanic? i think there's quite a few things. one of the secrets that i titanic? i think there's quite a few| things. one of the secrets that the wreck has not revealed is that the barrel of the ship is buried in the sea mud and that is hiding the damage done by iceberg so we do not know if it reached the flat bottom of the titanic or it ripped the starboard side and i think one day we'll be able to use geophysics to peer through the mud and we will know much about the impact. just remindin: know much about the impact. just reminding everyone, five people on board including british businessman hamish harding, pakistani businessman shahzada dawood and his son sulaiman. it is thought there were four days worth of oxygen left at most. we have great experts here

and great contributors. please text us, say what you are from and put your name at the end of the text. 85085. it is 9:32am. here is the news from bethan holmes. thank you. the search for a submersible vessel that went missing during a dive to the wreck of the titanic — in the north atlantic is continuing. five people are on board including british billionaire — hamish harding. pakistani businessman shahzada dawood and his son sulaiman are also confirmed to be on the trip. as of yesterday afternoon — it was thought they had at most — four days' worth of oxygen left. the average uk renter now spends more than 28% of their pre—tax income on rent. the data — from zoopla — suggests people are spending more

of their wages on rent than at any other time in the last decade. mps overwhelmingly backed a report that found boris johnson lied to parliament about parties at downing street while covid restrictions were in place. a five—hour debate last night saw in 354 mp5 approving the findings while just seven opposed them. but many other mp5 either abstained or didn't turn up — including rishi sunak — who said he didn't want to "influence" the vote. opposition parties have accused him of being "cowardly". food inflation has fallen to its lowest rate this year — but is still quite high at 16.5%. the cost of groceries is down from 17.2% last month. those were the news headlines. with the sport here is shourjo sarkar. good morning. england and australia will both go into the final day of the ist ashes test at edgbaston with a good chance of victory. australia need another

174 more runs to win, while england need to take seven more wickets. england's footballers dominated north macedonia throughout, as they won their european championship qualifier 7—0. bukayo saka netted a hat—trick, and there were two goals for harry kane. wales manager rob page admits his team will probably need to win all of their remaining fixtures if they are to reach the euros in germany next year. that's after wales lost 2—0 in turkey. northern ireland's hopes of reaching the finals took a big blow as they were beaten 1—0 by kazakhstan. in tennis, britain's cameron norrie and ryan peniston made winning starts at the queen's club championships. dan evans was knocked out in round one. and royal ascot starts today, with legendaryjockey frankie dettori preparing to ride at the meeting for the final time. the 52—year—old jockey will retire later this year.

good morning. let me tell you what is happening at ten o'clock right here, we are looking for your thoughts on this. all about the future of coal, do we need it, does it have a future? and its carbon dioxide. the backbone of manufacturing industry in this country for so long, the backbone of the economy, the north of england, midlands, wales, scotland, employs hundreds of thousands of people, heroes, all of them, the stuff of legend. romanticised and eulogised but not any more, no longer

celebrated for reasons not too difficult to find. highly political past, highly political present and future. it would be really interesting to hear if you were from a mining family so why are we discussing this? the government is planning to remove a ban on opening a new coal mines with a bill going through parliament at the moment. the government seeking to remove the ban when the bill returns to the house of commons, loads of issues at stake and loads of people are furious and saying this is pragmatic and practical we need it now. there is the environment, greenhouse gas emissions, jobs, in the case of whitehaven, the regeneration of a deprived area. should we ban new coal mines, simple question, what is your answer? 08085 909693, 85085,

thatis your answer? 08085 909693, 85085, that is coming up at 10am. we have still got dug in abu dhabi and tim maltin the titanic author and tim maltin the titanic author and expert, and frank owenjoining us. and doctor michelle taylor, deep sea lecture and lecturer at the university of essex, still talking about the incident on board the submersible going down to see the wreck of the titanic, a research project as it was described on the company website. i will read some stuff for you in a moment but brian in hexham joins us and louisjoins

us from salisbury. libby, what is your question?— us from salisbury. libby, what is ourruestion? . :, . :, , your question? what sort of amounts of food and water _ your question? what sort of amounts of food and water have _ your question? what sort of amounts of food and water have they - your question? what sort of amounts of food and water have they taken i of food and water have they taken with them on this voyage? michelle? no problem- — with them on this voyage? michelle? no problem. you _ with them on this voyage? michelle? no problem. you usually— with them on this voyage? michelle? no problem. you usually take - with them on this voyage? michelle? no problem. you usually take with i no problem. you usually take with you at— no problem. you usually take with you at least a few days over what you at least a few days over what you need — you at least a few days over what you need so there is water in thermos _ you need so there is water in thermos flasks because it gets cold down _ thermos flasks because it gets cold down there, so something to keep you warm _ down there, so something to keep you warm some _ down there, so something to keep you warm. some snacks and food.- warm. some snacks and food. anyone else want to — warm. some snacks and food. anyone else want to chip _ warm. some snacks and food. anyone else want to chip in? _ warm. some snacks and food. anyone else want to chip in? normally, i warm. some snacks and food. anyone else want to chip in? normally, you i else want to chip in? normally, you would take — else want to chip in? normally, you would take down _ else want to chip in? normally, you would take down enough _ else want to chip in? normally, you would take down enough food - else want to chip in? normally, you would take down enough food and l would take down enough food and water _ would take down enough food and water to _ would take down enough food and water to last — would take down enough food and water to last the _ would take down enough food and water to last the expected - would take down enough food andl water to last the expected duration so that_ water to last the expected duration so that should _ water to last the expected duration so that should not _ water to last the expected duration so that should not be _ water to last the expected duration so that should not be a _ water to last the expected duration so that should not be a problem i water to last the expected duration| so that should not be a problem for them _ so that should not be a problem for them. ~ , , so that should not be a problem for them. ~ . , so that should not be a problem for them. ~ ., , , . ., ., them. what is the expected duration, i wonder? them. what is the expected duration, iwonder? eight— them. what is the expected duration, i wonder? eight hours. _ them. what is the expected duration, i wonder? eight hours. brian - them. what is the expected duration, i wonder? eight hours. brian in - iwonder? eight hours. brian in hexham. _ iwonder? eight hours. brian in hexham, hello. _ iwonder? eight hours. brian in hexham, hello. hello! -

iwonder? eight hours. brian in hexham, hello. hello! i- iwonder? eight hours. brian in hexham, hello. hello! iwas. hexham, hello. hello! iwas wondering _ hexham, hello. hello! iwas wondering if _ hexham, hello. hello! iwas wondering if there _ hexham, hello. hello! iwas wondering if there was - hexham, hello. hello! i was wondering if there was any i hexham, hello. hello! iwasi wondering if there was any oil hexham, hello. hello! iwas- wondering if there was any oil rigs in the area, a drilling site out there, i was there and we had remotely operated vehicles that will dive to those deaths were the titanic is and they had close on the vehicles so they could help or attached to this submarine. do you know if there's anyone around that area? . ~' . know if there's anyone around that area? . ~ . he know if there's anyone around that area?_ he is - area? frank, anyone? he is absolutely _ area? frank, anyone? he is absolutely right. _ area? frank, anyone? he is absolutely right. we - area? frank, anyone? he is absolutely right. we would | area? frank, anyone? he is. absolutely right. we would use area? frank, anyone? he is- absolutely right. we would use a work _ absolutely right. we would use a work class — absolutely right. we would use a work class remotely operated vehicle to work class remotely operated vehicle lo gel— work class remotely operated vehicle to get done and provide support but this is_ to get done and provide support but this is hot— to get done and provide support but this is not an oilfield. where the titank— this is not an oilfield. where the titanic is— this is not an oilfield. where the titanic is laying. you actually need to get— titanic is laying. you actually need to get the — titanic is laying. you actually need to get the remotely operated vehicle to get the remotely operated vehicle to a port. _ to get the remotely operated vehicle to a port, stjohn's in

newfoundland, get a ship there, mobilise — newfoundland, get a ship there, mobilise the ship and sail it out and you — mobilise the ship and sail it out and you are talking about is one of the other— and you are talking about is one of the other contributor said, you are talking _ the other contributor said, you are talking several days to get that equipment there.— talking several days to get that equipment there. talking several days to get that ea-uiment there. ., , . ., equipment there. your experience on the rius is equipment there. your experience on the rigs is interesting, _ equipment there. your experience on the rigs is interesting, brian. - equipment there. your experience on the rigs is interesting, brian. in - the rigs is interesting, brian. ll�*i the rigs is interesting, brian. ll�*i the winter we used to see the rigs is interesting, brian. m the winter we used to see icebergs floating past! what the titanic actually went down so it is an interesting place but i am onlyjust ringing up to see, like i say, if there was any oil rigs around the area that might be able to help, that was all. l area that might be able to help, that was all.— that was all. i really appreciate ou that was all. i really appreciate you doing _ that was all. i really appreciate you doing so- _ that was all. i really appreciate you doing so. we _ that was all. i really appreciate you doing so. we have - that was all. i really appreciate you doing so. we have met - that was all. i really appreciate you doing so. we have met in. you doing so. we have met in guildford.

you doing so. we have met in guildford— you doing so. we have met in guildford. ., , ., guildford. nicky, great show as ever. possibly _ guildford. nicky, great show as ever. possibly a _ guildford. nicky, great show as ever. possibly a massively - ever. possibly a massively oversimplified question here. lhla oversimplified question here. no such thing as a stupid question. brace yourself. but don't they have a cable attached to one of these submarines so that if they get into trouble they can get winched back up, isn't that possible? interesting. michelle. remotely operated vehicles tend to be the ship they— operated vehicles tend to be the ship they are deployed from and they have a _ ship they are deployed from and they have a winch system to pull them back up _ have a winch system to pull them back up but human operated vehicles are not— back up but human operated vehicles are not so— back up but human operated vehicles are not so there is no cable feeding information— are not so there is no cable feeding information or data to be able to take them — information or data to be able to take them back up so the submersibles are separate from the vessel _ submersibles are separate from the vessel |s— submersibles are separate from the vessel. , . , submersibles are separate from the vessel. , ., , ., ,., , , vessel. is there any reason why they couldn't have _ vessel. is there any reason why they couldn't have a _ vessel. is there any reason why they couldn't have a cable _ vessel. is there any reason why they couldn't have a cable connected? . couldn't have a cable connected? they could but then it would be controlled not by the people inside the vessel but by the people on the

ship so. _ the vessel but by the people on the ship so, yeah, it's a very different beast _ ship so, yeah, it's a very different beast. . ~ ship so, yeah, it's a very different beast. ., ~' , ., , ship so, yeah, it's a very different beast. . ~ , ., , . ship so, yeah, it's a very different beast-_ thei beast. thank you very much. the other thing _ beast. thank you very much. the other thing is _ beast. thank you very much. the other thing is the _ beast. thank you very much. the other thing is the drag _ beast. thank you very much. the other thing is the drag on - beast. thank you very much. the other thing is the drag on the - other thing is the drag on the umbilical— other thing is the drag on the umbilical is _ other thing is the drag on the umbilical is like _ other thing is the drag on the umbilical is like the - other thing is the drag on thel umbilical is like the equivalent other thing is the drag on the - umbilical is like the equivalent of having _ umbilical is like the equivalent of having something _ umbilical is like the equivalent of having something that _ umbilical is like the equivalent of having something that is- umbilical is like the equivalent of having something that is about . umbilical is like the equivalent of. having something that is about five or ten— having something that is about five or ten square — having something that is about five or ten square metres _ having something that is about five or ten square metres in _ having something that is about five or ten square metres in area - having something that is about five or ten square metres in area and l having something that is about five | or ten square metres in area and to push _ or ten square metres in area and to push that— or ten square metres in area and to push that through _ or ten square metres in area and to push that through the _ or ten square metres in area and to push that through the water, - or ten square metres in area and to push that through the water, to - or ten square metres in area and to| push that through the water, to pull this umbilical— push that through the water, to pull this umbilical that _ push that through the water, to pull this umbilical that is _ push that through the water, to pull this umbilical that is about - push that through the water, to pull this umbilical that is about 50 - this umbilical that is about 50 millimetres— this umbilical that is about 50 millimetres diameter- this umbilical that is about 50 millimetres diameter and - this umbilical that is about 50 millimetres diameter and it . this umbilical that is about 50 - millimetres diameter and it might be at 3000 _ millimetres diameter and it might be at 3000 nretres— millimetres diameter and it might be at 3000 metres times _ millimetres diameter and it might be at 3000 metres times 50 _ millimetres diameter and it might be i at 3000 metres times 50 millimetres, you work— at 3000 metres times 50 millimetres, you work out— at 3000 metres times 50 millimetres, you work out the — at 3000 metres times 50 millimetres, you work out the area _ at 3000 metres times 50 millimetres, you work out the area of _ at 3000 metres times 50 millimetres, you work out the area of that - at 3000 metres times 50 millimetres, you work out the area of that and - you work out the area of that and you work out the area of that and you need — you work out the area of that and you need a — you work out the area of that and you need a very— you work out the area of that and you need a very powerful - you work out the area of that and - you need a very powerful submersible to putt— you need a very powerful submersible to pull that _ you need a very powerful submersible to pull that through _ you need a very powerful submersible to pull that through the _ you need a very powerful submersible to pull that through the water. - you need a very powerful submersible to pull that through the water. if- to pull that through the water. if that is— to pull that through the water. if that is the — to pull that through the water. if that is the case, _ to pull that through the water. if that is the case, it _ to pull that through the water. if that is the case, it then - to pull that through the water. if| that is the case, it then becomes to pull that through the water. if. that is the case, it then becomes a remotely— that is the case, it then becomes a remotely operated _ that is the case, it then becomes a remotely operated vehicle, - that is the case, it then becomes a remotely operated vehicle, and - that is the case, it then becomes a i remotely operated vehicle, and this is why— remotely operated vehicle, and this is why a _ remotely operated vehicle, and this is why a manned _ remotely operated vehicle, and this is why a manned submersible - remotely operated vehicle, and this is why a manned submersible is - is why a manned submersible is different — is why a manned submersible is

different. . ~ is why a manned submersible is different. ., ~ ., is why a manned submersible is different. ., ,, ., ., ., , different. frank, i am wondering, as somebody who _ different. frank, i am wondering, as somebody who knows _ different. frank, i am wondering, as somebody who knows about - different. frank, i am wondering, as somebody who knows about this - different. frank, i am wondering, as i somebody who knows about this inside out, front and back, what do you think about the nature of the expedition? think about the nature of the exoedition?_ think about the nature of the exedition? ~ , ., ., ., expedition? well, if you are going to exoerience _ expedition? well, if you are going to experience this _ expedition? well, if you are going to experience this age _ expedition? well, if you are going to experience this age of- expedition? well, if you are going to experience this age of the - expedition? well, if you are going| to experience this age of the world type of— to experience this age of the world type of environment, _ to experience this age of the world type of environment, then - to experience this age of the world type of environment, then you - to experience this age of the world type of environment, then you are | type of environment, then you are going _ type of environment, then you are going to _ type of environment, then you are going to be — type of environment, then you are going to be on _ type of environment, then you are going to be on the _ type of environment, then you are going to be on the edge _ type of environment, then you are going to be on the edge of- going to be on the edge of everything _ going to be on the edge of everything. it— going to be on the edge of everything. it is— going to be on the edge ofi everything. it is dangerous. going to be on the edge of. everything. it is dangerous. if going to be on the edge of- everything. it is dangerous. if it wasiust— everything. it is dangerous. if it wasjust humdrum, _ everything. it is dangerous. if it wasjust humdrum, it _ everything. it is dangerous. if it was just humdrum, it would - everything. it is dangerous. if itl wasjust humdrum, it would not actually— wasjust humdrum, it would not actually have _ wasjust humdrum, it would not actually have the _ wasjust humdrum, it would not actually have the attraction - wasjust humdrum, it would not actually have the attraction for. wasjust humdrum, it would not| actually have the attraction for a lot of— actually have the attraction for a lot of these _ actually have the attraction for a lot of these people _ actually have the attraction for a lot of these people and - actually have the attraction for a i lot of these people and everybody would _ lot of these people and everybody would be — lot of these people and everybody would be able _ lot of these people and everybody would be able to _ lot of these people and everybody would be able to do _ lot of these people and everybody would be able to do it _ lot of these people and everybody would be able to do it so - lot of these people and everybody would be able to do it so it- lot of these people and everybody would be able to do it so it is- would be able to do it so it is complex— would be able to do it so it is complex and _ would be able to do it so it is complex and challenging - would be able to do it so it is complex and challenging and dangerous _ complex and challenging and dangerous. that _ complex and challenging and dangerous. that is— complex and challenging and dangerous. that is why - complex and challenging and dangerous. that is why the l complex and challenging and - dangerous. that is why the offshore oil and _ dangerous. that is why the offshore oil and gas — dangerous. that is why the offshore oil and gas industry— dangerous. that is why the offshore oil and gas industry has _ dangerous. that is why the offshore oil and gas industry has always - dangerous. that is why the offshore oil and gas industry has always hadl oil and gas industry has always had a secondary— oil and gas industry has always had a secondary system _ oil and gas industry has always had a secondary system back—up - oil and gas industry has always had . a secondary system back—up because the cost _ a secondary system back—up because the cost to _ a secondary system back—up because the cost to them _ a secondary system back—up because the cost to them if— a secondary system back—up because the cost to them if they _ a secondary system back—up because the cost to them if they have - a secondary system back—up because the cost to them if they have to - the cost to them if they have to stop _ the cost to them if they have to stop are — the cost to them if they have to stop are massive. _ the cost to them if they have to stop are massive. it _ the cost to them if they have to stop are massive. it is - the cost to them if they have to

stop are massive. it is differentl stop are massive. it is different when _ stop are massive. it is different when you — stop are massive. it is different when you are _ stop are massive. it is different when you are running _ stop are massive. it is different when you are running a - stop are massive. it is different when you are running a touristl when you are running a tourist expedition _ when you are running a tourist expedition because _ when you are running a tourist expedition because your - when you are running a tourist expedition because your cost i when you are running a tourist - expedition because your cost issue expedition. — expedition because your cost issue expedition. it— expedition because your cost issue expedition. it is— expedition because your cost issue expedition, it is not— expedition because your cost issue expedition, it is not the _ expedition because your cost issue expedition, it is not the oral- expedition because your cost issue expedition, it is not the oral or- expedition, it is not the oral or the other— expedition, it is not the oral or the other activity— expedition, it is not the oral or the other activity you - expedition, it is not the oral or the other activity you are - expedition, it is not the oral or| the other activity you are doing this for — the other activity you are doing this for -- _ the other activity you are doing this for -- it— the other activity you are doing this for. —— it is— the other activity you are doing this for. —— it is not— the other activity you are doing this for. —— it is not the - the other activity you are doing this for. —— it is not the oil. - the other activity you are doing this for. —— it is not the oil. i’m“ this for. -- it is not the oil. i'm so sorry. _ this for. -- it is not the oil. i'm so sorry. i— this for. -- it is not the oil. i'm so sorry, i miss _ this for. -- it is not the oil. i'm so sorry, i miss that, _ this for. -- it is not the oil. i'm so sorry, i miss that, i- this for. —— it is not the oil. so sorry, i miss that, i very this for. —— it is not the oil.“ so sorry, i miss that, i very rarely burst in. ., ., ., , so sorry, i miss that, i very rarely burst in. ., ., .,, , , burst in. the oil and gas industry has a back-up — burst in. the oil and gas industry has a back-up because _ burst in. the oil and gas industry has a back-up because they - burst in. the oil and gas industry has a back-up because they are l has a back—up because they are trying _ has a back—up because they are trying to— has a back—up because they are trying to ensure the continuous production of what they are therefore which is oil and gas whereas— therefore which is oil and gas whereas in this situation you have an environment where the exercise is the cost _ an environment where the exercise is the cost and — an environment where the exercise is the cost and they would not necessarily be having two or three times— necessarily be having two or three times the — necessarily be having two or three times the cost of the missionjust to do— times the cost of the missionjust to do it _ times the cost of the missionjust to do it and — times the cost of the missionjust to do it and so 250,000 us dollars per passenger suddenly becomes five or $600,000 and then doesn't even

always— or $600,000 and then doesn't even always become viable for the companies to do it.— companies to do it. could i underline _ companies to do it. could i underline that _ companies to do it. could i underline that point? - companies to do it. could i underline that point? dog, i companies to do it. could i - underline that point? dog, please go forward. the underline that point? dog, please go forward. . ., , ., ., forward. the commercial side of oil and as, forward. the commercial side of oil and gas. as — forward. the commercial side of oil and gas, as soon _ forward. the commercial side of oil and gas, as soon as _ forward. the commercial side of oil and gas, as soon as there - forward. the commercial side of oil and gas, as soon as there are - and gas, as soon as there are alternatives _ and gas, as soon as there are alternatives to— and gas, as soon as there are alternatives to people - and gas, as soon as there are alternatives to people in - and gas, as soon as there are alternatives to people in the i and gas, as soon as there are - alternatives to people in the water, they are _ alternatives to people in the water, they are taken _ alternatives to people in the water, they are taken up _ alternatives to people in the water, they are taken up because - alternatives to people in the water, they are taken up because people l alternatives to people in the water, | they are taken up because people in they are taken up because people in the water— they are taken up because people in the water equals _ they are taken up because people in the water equals danger— they are taken up because people in the water equals danger so - they are taken up because people in the water equals danger so apart. the water equals danger so apart from _ the water equals danger so apart from shallow— the water equals danger so apart from shallow water— the water equals danger so apart from shallow water diving, - the water equals danger so apart from shallow water diving, which the water equals danger so apart . from shallow water diving, which is pretty— from shallow water diving, which is pretty advanced. _ from shallow water diving, which is pretty advanced, all— from shallow water diving, which is pretty advanced, all manned - from shallow water diving, which is pretty advanced, all manned subsl from shallow water diving, which isi pretty advanced, all manned subs in the commerciat— pretty advanced, all manned subs in the commercial oil— pretty advanced, all manned subs in the commercial oil and _ pretty advanced, all manned subs in the commercial oil and gas- pretty advanced, all manned subs in the commercial oil and gas industryl the commercial oil and gas industry no longer— the commercial oil and gas industry no longer idea, _ the commercial oil and gas industry no longer idea, much— the commercial oil and gas industry no longer idea, much safer- the commercial oil and gas industry no longer idea, much safer in - the commercial oil and gas industry no longer idea, much safer in a - no longer idea, much safer in a remotely— no longer idea, much safer in a remotely operated _ no longer idea, much safer in a remotely operated vehicle. - no longer idea, much safer in a remotely operated vehicle. i. no longer idea, much safer in a i remotely operated vehicle. i am“ remotely operated vehicle. i am auoin to remotely operated vehicle. i am going to read — remotely operated vehicle. i am going to read out _ remotely operated vehicle. i am going to read out some - remotely operated vehicle.“ going to read out some comments, bear with me. after successful expeditions to direct 0ceangate expeditions will continue to return annually to document the titanic and

its decay. given the massive scale of the wreck and debris filled multiple missions over several years will be required to fully document the wreck site. this longitudinal survey to collect images, videos, and data will allow assessment of the object of the rate of decay. expeditions will be conducted respectfully and in accordance with guidelines. we will comply with unesco guidelines for the preservation of the water world heritage site. qualified explorers have the opportunity to join the expedition as mission specialist group members whose training and mission support fees underwrite the mission. the participation of the science team on their own training as well is underwritten by that and finally the titanic expedition will conduct scientific and technological survey of the wreck with a mission to supplement the work done on

previous scientific expeditions to capture data and images for the continued scientific study of the site, document the condition of the wreck with high definition photographs and video. and also document the flora and fauna inhabiting the wreck site. we have got our expert on the titanic, i beg your pardon, to malton. what do you make of that?— make of that? while there is a scientific element _ make of that? while there is a scientific element to _ make of that? while there is a scientific element to it, - make of that? while there is a scientific element to it, i - make of that? while there is a scientific element to it, i think this is making it sound slightly more ground—breaking scientific than perhaps it is but that said if they are only doing a trip every year there will be significant change in there will be significant change in the site because the site is breaking down, it is rusting away. it is half scientific but half of it is tourism and adventure. l it is half scientific but half of it is tourism and adventure. i know you have to dash — is tourism and adventure. i know you have to dash but _ is tourism and adventure. i know you have to dash but you _ is tourism and adventure. i know you have to dash but you might - is tourism and adventure. i know you have to dash but you might want - is tourism and adventure. i know you have to dash but you might want to l have to dash but you might want to stay with rebecca in donegal whose

grandfathers relatives perished in the wreck of the titanic. tell grandfathers relatives perished in the wreck of the titanic.— the wreck of the titanic. tell us more. the wreck of the titanic. tell us more- good _ the wreck of the titanic. tell us more. good morning. - the wreck of the titanic. tell us more. good morning. my- the wreck of the titanic. tell us - more. good morning. my grandfathers brother— more. good morning. my grandfathers brother got— more. good morning. my grandfathers brother got married, he was living in england — brother got married, he was living in england. he got married to eileen — in england. he got married to eileen. there honeyman was to be the trip on _ eileen. there honeyman was to be the trip on the _ eileen. there honeyman was to be the trip on the titanic but also he was going _ trip on the titanic but also he was going to _ trip on the titanic but also he was going to start a newjob in new york and unfortunately they both perished on the _ and unfortunately they both perished on the titanic. her body was found. uncle _ on the titanic. her body was found. uncle neit's— on the titanic. her body was found. uncle neil's body was never found. how do _ uncle neil's body was never found. how do you — uncle neil's body was never found. how do you feel when you see the stories of the titanic, the film, do you understand our continuing and abiding fascination with this? absolutely. it was a tragic loss, no doubt _ absolutely. it was a tragic loss, no doubt about that. but it is amazing. we can— doubt about that. but it is amazing. we can see — doubt about that. but it is amazing.

we can see the photographs and the digital. _ we can see the photographs and the digital, what do you call it, of how it is now — digital, what do you call it, of how it is now. that is amazing, to be able _ it is now. that is amazing, to be able to — it is now. that is amazing, to be able to see _ it is now. that is amazing, to be able to see that. it is a very unfortunate thing that anything should — unfortunate thing that anything should happen like this now. and 'ust should happen like this now. and just to _ should happen like this now. and just to say, — should happen like this now. and just to say, i will be thinking about— just to say, i will be thinking about all— just to say, i will be thinking about all of the families involved in the _ about all of the families involved in the people involved there. even working _ in the people involved there. even working with that sub under the different— working with that sub under the different people surrounding jobs, all around — different people surrounding jobs, all around that, i different people surrounding jobs, allaround that, i mean, it's not nice _ allaround that, i mean, it's not nice to — allaround that, i mean, it's not nice to have _ allaround that, i mean, it's not nice to have to deal with that. on a personal— nice to have to deal with that. on a personal note, from a family who lost family— personal note, from a family who lost family members, it isjust amazing — lost family members, it isjust amazing to think that there is so much _ amazing to think that there is so much information that still needs to be found _ much information that still needs to be found out about it all these years — be found out about it all these years later. be found out about it all these years later-— be found out about it all these ears later. ., ~' ., a, ., years later. you know, tim moulton, before you — years later. you know, tim moulton, before you go. _ years later. you know, tim moulton, before you go, rebecca, _ years later. you know, tim moulton, before you go, rebecca, it's - years later. you know, tim moulton, before you go, rebecca, it's great i before you go, rebecca, it's great you got in touch and it stop this

tragedy from seemingly so long ago still touching so many families? that is right. 1500 people lost their lives in the wreck on the 15th of april 1912 and you think of their descendants as we have heard from today, the ship has touched many people. even my uncle was taught maths by a titanic survivor which got me interested in it so it is a wreck that still echoes through history and the experience that is happening today and the tragedy unfolding that we are following reminds us that really it was not that long ago. it was 112 years ago but that is three generations and suddenly it becomes very real. that thing about — suddenly it becomes very real. that thing about my _ suddenly it becomes very real. that thing about my grandfathers grandfather was in the french revolution... one of those. thank you. i think i can give you a statement from some friends, it is

right here. a friend of hamish harding said this. patrick whitehead, founder of white desert and tour operator said we are all praying that hamish and the entire crew of the submersible or soon found safe and well. we have faith in the incredible emergency services focused on finding them in the area around the titanic. hamish has been around the titanic. hamish has been a chill friend to white desert for many years and is an incredible aviation explorer in his own right. he has travelled with us to antarctica a number of times including with astronaut buzz aldrin when he visited. hamish is a great advocate for exploring the globe and discovering new pathways to make the world a better place. our thoughts are with his wife linda and his sons at this anxious time and may hamish and the crew located quickly. rebecca, thanks so much. the thing

about yourfamily and rebecca, thanks so much. the thing about your family and uncle neil, his body never been found as well and is it right at your great aunt was found with her ticket in her hand? ,, was found with her ticket in her hand? . .h was found with her ticket in her hand? ,, ., , ., , was found with her ticket in her hand? ,, .,, ., , . ., hand? she was found fully clothed, her handbag. _ hand? she was found fully clothed, her handbag, all— hand? she was found fully clothed, her handbag, all of— hand? she was found fully clothed, her handbag, all of her— hand? she was found fully clothed, her handbag, all of herjewellery, l her handbag, all of herjewellery, her handbag, all of herjewellery, her wedding ring and the tickets, their very tickets are still in her handbag. so herfamily, they buried her. being in ireland, obviously, all of those years ago, there would not have been enough money for the family to take the time to travel and go to america to identify the body so even if his body was found there was no one able to identify him. and actually, we got married 13 years ago and our wedding anniversary is the 10th of april and i booked a cruise and i booked the wedding not thinking about anything

around the time, the 10th of april but we booked a cruise and we were on the crew shipped the following week after that, the anniversary so i never really thought about it at the time of booking and it was not until we were in the ship and having dinner and you until we were in the ship and having dinnerand you are until we were in the ship and having dinner and you are thinking, you are looking at all the grandeur around you and the lovely music and everything else and everybody was happy and dressed up and it finally dawned on me, imagine if we were told we had to get out and that's when abroad at home, the reality of the situation, what would it have been like if we were in the same situation? it's something i have never forgotten, actually, situation? it's something i have neverforgotten, actually, even though it was never booked and done intentionally, it was in the moment you realise the predicament and the possession people were in on the night. possession people were in on the niuht. ~ . . possession people were in on the niiht, . ., ., ., possession people were in on the niuht. ~ ., ., ., possession people were in on the niuht.~ ., ., ., night. what a wonderful call, so lovel to night. what a wonderful call, so lovely to hear _ night. what a wonderful call, so lovely to hear from _ night. what a wonderful call, so lovely to hear from you - night. what a wonderful call, so lovely to hear from you and - night. what a wonderful call, so lovely to hear from you and so l lovely to hear from you and so poignant. lovely to hear from you and so poignant-—

lovely to hear from you and so noinant. , ., poignant. rebecca, take care and thank you- _ poignant. rebecca, take care and thank you- i _ poignant. rebecca, take care and thank you. i am _ poignant. rebecca, take care and thank you. i am thinking - poignant. rebecca, take care and thank you. i am thinking of - poignant. rebecca, take care and thank you. i am thinking of all. poignant. rebecca, take care and| thank you. i am thinking of all the family send everyone involved, thank you. family send everyone involved, thank ou. , , ., you. even in edinburgh, your question- — you. even in edinburgh, your question. good _ you. even in edinburgh, your question. good morning, - you. even in edinburgh, your question. good morning, my you. even in edinburgh, your- question. good morning, my question is sim -l question. good morning, my question is simply what — question. good morning, my question is simply what is _ question. good morning, my question is simply what is the _ question. good morning, my question is simply what is the endurance - question. good morning, my question is simply what is the endurance of - is simply what is the endurance of batteries— is simply what is the endurance of batteries of the submersible. the ambient — batteries of the submersible. the ambient water temperature will be called _ ambient water temperature will be called i_ ambient water temperature will be called. i cannot say or found what it is up— called. i cannot say or found what it is up 13,000 feet at that latitude _ it is up 13,000 feet at that latitude. but it will be fairly close — latitude. but it will be fairly close to _ latitude. but it will be fairly close to zero and they will require etectric— close to zero and they will require electric power to keep the carbon warm _ electric power to keep the carbon warm enough for survival. there are several _ warm enough for survival. there are several things that threaten their ability— several things that threaten their ability to— several things that threaten their ability to survive in what is a truly— ability to survive in what is a truly tragic situation. the question is how— truly tragic situation. the question is how long — truly tragic situation. the question is how long will the batteries last? frank. _ is how long will the batteries last? frank, could you take this? |

is how long will the batteries last? frank, could you take this? i would not think the _ frank, could you take this? i would not think the propulsion _ frank, could you take this? i would not think the propulsion and - frank, could you take this? i would not think the propulsion and main i not think the propulsion and main energy you have more than about 12 hours or more of usage. there would then be back—up energy to support vital life for air purification and carbon dioxide removal and oxygen, that would come from bottled gas but the air purification needs a fan to cool the earth through filters to take out the carbon dioxide so you have power for that but you would not necessarily have power for heating and that is why one of the other contributors said it will be called on board and everyone will need to be ranked up to try and keep warm as much as they can. it is need to be ranked up to try and keep warm as much as they can.— warm as much as they can. it is one thin to warm as much as they can. it is one thing to have _ warm as much as they can. it is one thing to have an _ warm as much as they can. it is one thing to have an oxygen _ warm as much as they can. it is one thing to have an oxygen supply - warm as much as they can. it is one thing to have an oxygen supply but| thing to have an oxygen supply but they will— thing to have an oxygen supply but they will also need to have some way

of removing — they will also need to have some way of removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. that will take some sort of chemicat— atmosphere. that will take some sort of chemical scrubber... | atmosphere. that will take some sort of chemical scrubber. . ._ of chemical scrubber... i think i hear doug _ of chemical scrubber... i think i hear doug in — of chemical scrubber... i think i hear doug in the _ of chemical scrubber... i think i hear doug in the background. i of chemical scrubber... i think i i hear doug in the background. they definitely have _ hear doug in the background. they definitely have a _ hear doug in the background. they definitely have a scrubber or the other— definitely have a scrubber or the other gentleman said and that is powered — other gentleman said and that is powered with a fan to remove the carbon— powered with a fan to remove the carbon dioxide but in my experience, our subs _ carbon dioxide but in my experience, our subs moving all the time at something like six hours of endurance, we used to do touched on monitoring _ endurance, we used to do touched on monitoring when we were not moving a lot and _ monitoring when we were not moving a lot and i_ monitoring when we were not moving a lot and i did _ monitoring when we were not moving a lot and i did a _ monitoring when we were not moving a lot and i did a 15 hour dive. the sub is— lot and i did a 15 hour dive. the sub is not— lot and i did a 15 hour dive. the sub is not using the power for propulsion then the batteries can last considerably longer than the normal— last considerably longer than the normal expected length. all last considerably longer than the normal expected length. filll last considerably longer than the normal expected length. all i can do is ask the open _ normal expected length. all i can do is ask the open question, _ normal expected length. all i can do is ask the open question, which - normal expected length. all i can do is ask the open question, which i - is ask the open question, which i have _ is ask the open question, which i have done — is ask the open question, which i have done i_ is ask the open question, which i have done. i simply— is ask the open question, which i have done. i simply do _ is ask the open question, which i have done. i simply do not - is ask the open question, which i have done. i simply do not know| have done. i simply do not know about— have done. i simply do not know about the — have done. i simply do not know

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twice. we must leave it there but our thoughts are with _ twice. we must leave it there but our thoughts are with the - twice. we must leave it there but our thoughts are with the five i our thoughts are with the five people on board and their families. thank you so much, some brilliant calls, brilliant questions and wonderful experts too. what a situation. let's talk about coal. the economic backbone of this country, the industrial revolution, that was a time of pioneering, inspiration, exploration and all of those things, for decades. it was at the very heart of our economy. you know the arguments. the government is planning to remove a ban on opening new coal mines from a bill that is going through parliament. the ban was added to the energy bill by peers in the house of lords. it was introduced by the liberal democrat lord teverson in response to the government's decision to allow a new mine to be built in whitehaven, cumbria. that was about regenerating an area. in his words, he said building

a new coal mine "would be a really stupid thing for a country to do". but the government will seek to remove the ban when the bill returns to the commons. government minister lord callanan argued that an outright ban could cause a "severe weakening of our security of supply." several issues at stake here. the environment and greenhouse gas emissions, jobs, and in the case of whitehaven regeneration for a deprived area. do we need new coal mines? get in touch, 08085 909693 and 85058, coming up in the next hour. bethan holmes has the news. search teams are racing to find

a submersible vessel that's gone missing during a dive to the wreck of the titanic. british billionaire and explorer hamish harding is amoung the five people on the vessel. pakistani businessmen should sort and his son solomon are also on board. as of yesterday afternoon it was thought they had at most — four days' worth of oxygen left. the average tenant in the uk now spends more than 28% of their pre—tax income on rent. the data from zoopla suggests people are spending more of their wages on rent than at any other time in the past decade. there's new evidence that taking a nap is good for the brain. the study by university college london found that a daytime snooze — less than half an hour — appears to slow down the shrinkage of the brain which comes with age.

and also coal—mining, as you probably would expect, is notjust an issue here but it is all kicking off elsewhere, there is a massive row in the eu. poland, a big coal producer, at loggerheads with the eu. they had sweden on the side but not other countries over their continued use of an open pit mine on the border with the czech republic, which goes against the direction of travel of the european union under the member states. the australian government controversially approved a new coalmines, and there were massive protests. should we ban new coalmines? we all have a view. there

are some stats here for you, in 1981 this country was producing 128 million tonnes of coal a year, then we had the thatcher years, the closure of the collieries from the 70s onwards which meant that the industry collapsed and the number of people involved in mining fell from 1 million in 1920 two 2000 and 2015. the biggest coal producers on the planet, china, india, usa, indonesia, australia and russia. we are discussing this because the government is planning to remove a ban on opening coalmines from a bill going through parliament at the moment. mike starkie is the former conservative mayor of copeland, where the new mine is being built. tony bosworth is an energy campaigner at the front of the earth. good morning. mike, speakto tony and tell him why we need new

coalmines, this particular one and others. in coalmines, this particular one and others. , . ., coalmines, this particular one and others. . ., others. in this particular coal mine in whitehaven, _ others. in this particular coal mine in whitehaven, first _ others. in this particular coal mine in whitehaven, first and _ others. in this particular coal mine in whitehaven, first and foremost | others. in this particular coal mine i in whitehaven, first and foremost it is the economic argument, it will bring 500 well—paid jobs to a deprived area and will create 1500 supply chain jobs. deprived area and will create 1500 supply chainjobs. it deprived area and will create 1500 supply chain jobs. it is £160 million worth of private investment, it is not relying on government subsidies or relying on taxpayers. we will have a debate that this has been going on for seven years, it has followed through all the lights out processes, it was recommended by planning officers, then recommended by councillors on three separate occasions, councillors from all political parties who have sat and listened to the evidence and that it has been called in by the government twice and went through a public inquiry and at every stage in the process the decision was that it

should be approved, but is absolutely the right decision. to continue to make the argument against this mine, how many times do some people want to lose the same argument? they have lost it everywhere it has been made, through all the proper processes, and if we will not adhere to the process is laid out, we get anarchy.- will not adhere to the process is laid out, we get anarchy. tang? mike laid out, we get anarchy. tony? mike is iuanorin laid out, we get anarchy. tony? mike is ignoring that _ laid out, we get anarchy. tony? mike is ignoring that coal's _ laid out, we get anarchy. tony? mike is ignoring that coal's day _ laid out, we get anarchy. tony? mike is ignoring that coal's day is - laid out, we get anarchy. tony? mike is ignoring that coal's day is done. it has _ is ignoring that coal's day is done. it has had — is ignoring that coal's day is done. it has had a — is ignoring that coal's day is done. it has had a huge part in our history. _ it has had a huge part in our history, powered the industrial revolution, but it must belong in the history— revolution, but it must belong in the history books now. he wants to produce _ the history books now. he wants to produce coal for steel production but the _ produce coal for steel production but the market is declining before they had — but the market is declining before they had even started building the mine, _ they had even started building the mine, full— they had even started building the mine, full makers across europe as the market— mine, full makers across europe as the market for this mine, they are already— the market for this mine, they are already moving away, they want to go green _ already moving away, they want to go green and _ already moving away, they want to go green and we should be going green -- coat— green and we should be going green —— coal makers across europe is the

market _ —— coal makers across europe is the market we — —— coal makers across europe is the market. we should say no to new coalmines — market. we should say no to new coalmines-— market. we should say no to new coalmines. , ., , coalmines. news in from the reuters news agency. — coalmines. news in from the reuters news agency. the _ coalmines. news in from the reuters news agency, the headquarters i coalmines. news in from the reuters news agency, the headquarters of. coalmines. news in from the reuters| news agency, the headquarters of the paris 2024 olympics organising committee were being searched by police. the search is currently under way at the headquarters of the organising committee, paris 2020 foresight in a statement to reuters, paris 2024 is co—operating fully with investigators to facilitate their inquiries. paris 2024 did not give further details. a bit of breaking news.— give further details. a bit of breakin: news. ~ ,, give further details. a bit of breakin: news. ., breaking news. mike, come back on ton . breaking news. mike, come back on tony- tony — breaking news. mike, come back on tony- tony is _ breaking news. mike, come back on tony. tony is completely _ breaking news. mike, come back on tony. tony is completely wrong, i breaking news. mike, come back on| tony. tony is completely wrong, the day of coal is certainly not done. in recent years importing of coal has been going up, it is on the list of critical products for the eu and if it is not mined here that europe and the united kingdom will continue to import coalfrom colombia,

australia, even worse, russia, and that carbon footprint is an even great toe worse situation for the environment. there is no other economically viable wail of producing steel in quantities needed. it will not be ready on the style we need produced for 30 or 40 years at least. we can't see there is demand because it is going up, and recently metallurgical coal prices reached a record level. the mine will produce an estimated 400,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions a year, the equivalent of putting 200,000 cars on the roads. you have to look at the whole picture. in terms of coal, united kingdom is leading the way across

the world, we will eradicate the need for thermal coal and burning coal for power by the end of 2024. the rest of the world, where the challenge really needs confronted, is miles away from getting anywhere near the progress we have made in the united kingdom. like everything else in life, you have to take a balanced approach. if we want to green industrial revolution, which we all do, we want to see wind, wave, solar that i did my part of the world we particularly want to see nuclear, so to build those reactors, solar panels and windmills we need amounts of steel which can only be managed with coking coal. 08085 909693, join in. tony, what signals does this send to the rest of the world? it signals does this send to the rest of the world?— of the world? it sent signals that the uk is not _ of the world? it sent signals that the uk is not serious _ of the world? it sent signals that the uk is not serious about i the uk is not serious about climate change _ the uk is not serious about climate change. mike is completely wrong, we

do no _ change. mike is completely wrong, we do no longer import metallurgical coal do no longer import metallurgical coat from — do no longer import metallurgical coal from russia, but stopped last year _ coal from russia, but stopped last year he _ coal from russia, but stopped last year. he says we still need coal for steel— year. he says we still need coal for steel production, we don't. british steet— steel production, we don't. british steel in— steel production, we don't. british steel in the uk is planning to shut down _ steel in the uk is planning to shut down its _ steel in the uk is planning to shut down its coking plants, they will not be _ down its coking plants, they will not be using steel any more. tata steet— not be using steel any more. tata steel and — not be using steel any more. tata steel and port talbot wants the government support to move away using — government support to move away using coat— government support to move away using coal production. it is not 30 to 40 _ using coal production. it is not 30 to 40 years — using coal production. it is not 30 to 40 years away across europe, coal is being — to 40 years away across europe, coal is being produced using electricity... steel is being produced rather than by coal, with etectricity— produced rather than by coal, with electricity and steel makers are making — electricity and steel makers are making huge investments to greener technology. it is not decades in the future, _ technology. it is not decades in the future, it— technology. it is not decades in the future, it is— technology. it is not decades in the future, it is here now, we have to accept _ future, it is here now, we have to accept that— future, it is here now, we have to accept that coal is something of the past and _ accept that coal is something of the past and move away from it. | accept that coal is something of the past and move away from it.- accept that coal is something of the past and move away from it. i have a text for you. — past and move away from it. i have a text for you, mike _ past and move away from it. i have a text for you, mike starkie. _

past and move away from it. i have a text for you, mike starkie. in - text for you, mike starkie. in regards to the planned coal mine in whitehaven it is a white elephant, i live in the area and it is being used as a political tool for the next generation election. it promises up to 500 jobs but they will not be local, independent ex—mayor mike starkie knows that jobs are short—term. we need new nuclear and greenjobs, we need to build large, potable offshore wind farms. please keep this anonymous. yes, some people see this as a sop to those who would be against the end of the moratorium for onshore wind. the area definitely need to generation, says this tax. there was a massive nuclear power station around ten miles down the road, a huge employer and the main driver of the above average wage. i will thank you very much for getting in touch, let's go with james in norwich, john in sutton and joy in hungerford.

james? i totally agree with tony. it is ludicrous — james? i totally agree with tony. it is ludicrous we _ james? i totally agree with tony. it is ludicrous we are _ james? i totally agree with tony. it is ludicrous we are going _ james? i totally agree with tony. it is ludicrous we are going back- james? i totally agree with tony. it is ludicrous we are going back to i is ludicrous we are going back to the victorian _ is ludicrous we are going back to the victorian age _ is ludicrous we are going back to the victorian age and _ is ludicrous we are going back to the victorian age and opening i is ludicrous we are going back to i the victorian age and opening new coalmines— the victorian age and opening new coalmines in— the victorian age and opening new coalmines in such _ the victorian age and opening new coalmines in such a _ the victorian age and opening new coalmines in such a climate - the victorian age and opening new coalmines in such a climate crisis. | coalmines in such a climate crisis. oniobs. _ coalmines in such a climate crisis. oniobs, we — coalmines in such a climate crisis. oniobs, we have _ coalmines in such a climate crisis. onjobs, we have such _ coalmines in such a climate crisis. onjobs, we have such an- onjobs, we have such an opportunity, _ onjobs, we have such an opportunity. a _ onjobs, we have such an opportunity, a massive i onjobs, we have such an- opportunity, a massive opportunity to be _ opportunity, a massive opportunity to be skitt— opportunity, a massive opportunity to be skill is— opportunity, a massive opportunity to be skill is oil, _ opportunity, a massive opportunity to be skill is oil, gas— opportunity, a massive opportunity to be skill is oil, gas and _ opportunity, a massive opportunity to be skill is oil, gas and coal- to be skill is oil, gas and coal workers — to be skill is oil, gas and coal workers and _ to be skill is oil, gas and coal workers and give _ to be skill is oil, gas and coal workers and give them - to be skill is oil, gas and coal workers and give them jobs i to be skill is oil, gas and coal| workers and give them jobs in to be skill is oil, gas and coal- workers and give them jobs in the green _ workers and give them jobs in the green revolution— workers and give them jobs in the green revolution or— workers and give them jobs in the green revolution or whatever- workers and give them jobs in the green revolution or whatever you i green revolution or whatever you want _ green revolution or whatever you want to _ green revolution or whatever you want to call — green revolution or whatever you want to call it. _ green revolution or whatever you want to call it. i— green revolution or whatever you want to call it. i have _ green revolution or whatever you want to call it. i have friends i green revolution or whatever you want to call it. i have friends in i want to call it. i have friends in the oil— want to call it. i have friends in the oil and _ want to call it. i have friends in the oil and gas _ want to call it. i have friends in the oil and gas industry- want to call it. i have friends in the oil and gas industry reallyi the oil and gas industry really worried — the oil and gas industry really worried about _ the oil and gas industry really worried about climate - the oil and gas industry reallyl worried about climate change, the oil and gas industry really- worried about climate change, there was a _ worried about climate change, there was a headline — worried about climate change, there was a headline on _ worried about climate change, there was a headline on bbc— worried about climate change, there was a headline on bbc about - worried about climate change, there was a headline on bbc about oceani was a headline on bbc about ocean and sea _ was a headline on bbc about ocean and sea temperatures _ was a headline on bbc about ocean and sea temperatures going - was a headline on bbc about ocean and sea temperatures going way. was a headline on bbc about ocean. and sea temperatures going way up, absolutely— and sea temperatures going way up, absolutely terrifying. _ and sea temperatures going way up, absolutely terrifying. last _ and sea temperatures going way up, absolutely terrifying. last year - and sea temperatures going way up, absolutely terrifying. last year we i absolutely terrifying. last year we had wildfires, _ absolutely terrifying. last year we had wildfires, 60 _ absolutely terrifying. last year we had wildfires, 60 homes- absolutely terrifying. last year we had wildfires, 60 homes burned i absolutely terrifying. last year we i had wildfires, 60 homes burned down, the met _ had wildfires, 60 homes burned down, the met said _ had wildfires, 60 homes burned down, the met said it — had wildfires, 60 homes burned down, the met said it was _ had wildfires, 60 homes burned down, the met said it was the _ had wildfires, 60 homes burned down, the met said it was the equivalent- the met said it was the equivalent of the _ the met said it was the equivalent of the blitz. — the met said it was the equivalent of the blitz, where _ the met said it was the equivalent of the blitz, where i— the met said it was the equivalent of the blitz, where i live - the met said it was the equivalent of the blitz, where i live in- of the blitz, where i live in norfolk— of the blitz, where i live in norfolk there _ of the blitz, where i live in norfolk there was - of the blitz, where i live in norfolk there was harvestl of the blitz, where i live in- norfolk there was harvest failure and crop — norfolk there was harvest failure and crop failure. _ norfolk there was harvest failure and crop failure. coal— norfolk there was harvest failure and crop failure. coal is - norfolk there was harvest failure and crop failure. coal is out i norfolk there was harvest failure and crop failure. coal is out of. and crop failure. coal is out of touch, — and crop failure. coal is out of touch, sign— and crop failure. coal is out of touch, sign as— and crop failure. coal is out of touch, sign as oil— and crop failure. coal is out of touch, sign as oil and - and crop failure. coal is out of touch, sign as oil and gas, i and crop failure. coal is out of touch, sign as oil and gas, wej touch, sign as oil and gas, we cannot— touch, sign as oil and gas, we cannot afford _ touch, sign as oil and gas, we cannot afford any— touch, sign as oil and gas, we cannot afford any more - touch, sign as oil and gas, we i cannot afford any more licenses in those _ cannot afford any more licenses in those products. _ cannot afford any more licenses in those products, we _ cannot afford any more licenses in those products, we need - cannot afford any more licenses in those products, we need to - cannot afford any more licenses in i those products, we need to transfer to renewable — those products, we need to transfer to renewable energy. _ those products, we need to transfer to renewable energy. tony- those products, we need to transfer to renewable energy. tony said i those products, we need to transfer. to renewable energy. tony said these

coalmines _ to renewable energy. tony said these coalmines witi— to renewable energy. tony said these coalmines will not _ to renewable energy. tony said these coalmines will not produce _ to renewable energy. tony said these coalmines will not produce coking i coalmines will not produce coking coalmines will not produce coking coat we _ coalmines will not produce coking coat we can — coalmines will not produce coking coat we can use _ coalmines will not produce coking coal we can use in— coalmines will not produce coking coal we can use in the _ coalmines will not produce coking coal we can use in the uk. - coalmines will not produce coking coal we can use in the uk. tata i coal we can use in the uk. tata steet— coal we can use in the uk. tata steetjo — coal we can use in the uk. tata steetjo has _ coal we can use in the uk. tata steeljo has said _ coal we can use in the uk. tata steeljo has said it _ coal we can use in the uk. tata steeljo has said it is _ coal we can use in the uk. tata steeljo has said it is not - coal we can use in the uk. tata steeljo has said it is not fit i coal we can use in the uk. tata steeljo has said it is not fit for| steeljo has said it is not fit for purpose. — steeljo has said it is not fit for purpose. it— steeljo has said it is not fit for purpose. it will— steeljo has said it is not fit for purpose, it will be _ steeljo has said it is not fit for purpose, it will be shipped i steeljo has said it is not fit for- purpose, it will be shipped abroad, it is ridiculous _ purpose, it will be shipped abroad, it is ridiculous when _ purpose, it will be shipped abroad, it is ridiculous when the _ purpose, it will be shipped abroad, it is ridiculous when the un - it is ridiculous when the un secretary—general- it is ridiculous when the un secretary—general had i it is ridiculous when the un secretary—general had said j it is ridiculous when the un i secretary—general had said we it is ridiculous when the un - secretary—general had said we have it is ridiculous when the un _ secretary—general had said we have a short window— secretary—general had said we have a short window of— secretary—general had said we have a short window of opportunity- secretary—general had said we have a short window of opportunity to - short window of opportunity to secure — short window of opportunity to secure a — short window of opportunity to secure a livable _ short window of opportunity to secure a livable future. - short window of opportunity to secure a livable future. few. short window of opportunity to i secure a livable future. few people understand — secure a livable future. few people understand what _ secure a livable future. few people understand what that _ secure a livable future. few people understand what that actually i understand what that actually means?! _ understand what that actually means?! he _ understand what that actually means?! ,., ,, understand what that actually means?! i. , ., understand what that actually means?! , ., means?! do you understand, john in sutton? hi- — means?! do you understand, john in sutton? hi- my _ means?! do you understand, john in sutton? hi. my concern _ means?! do you understand, john in sutton? hi. my concern is _ means?! do you understand, john in sutton? hi. my concern is putting i sutton? hi. my concern is putting this weaponised _ sutton? hi. my concern is putting this weaponised -- _ sutton? hi. my concern is putting this weaponised -- is _ sutton? hi. my concern is putting this weaponised -- is that - sutton? hi. my concern is putting this weaponised -- is that putin i sutton? hi. my concern is putting i this weaponised -- is that putin has this weaponised —— is that putin has weaponised energy and the scandinavians know that the russians have been putting targets in the north sea for sabotage such as oil facilities, wind turbines. i'm concerned we will end up severely compromised if we do not have alternative energy supplies. i'm not talking about liquid gas, those vessels could easily be targets for russian submarines. this is a very,

very serious time we are living in and they are ignoring the elephant in the room. in and they are ignoring the elephant in the room-— in the room. in an ideal world we would not _ in the room. in an ideal world we would not have _ in the room. in an ideal world we would not have new _ in the room. in an ideal world we would not have new coalmines, i in the room. in an ideal world we i would not have new coalmines, but this is not an ideal world, essentially? it this is not an ideal world, essentially?— this is not an ideal world, essentiall? . ., , ,�* essentially? it certainly isn't. the war in ukraine _ essentially? it certainly isn't. the war in ukraine is _ essentially? it certainly isn't. the war in ukraine is threatening i essentially? it certainly isn't. the war in ukraine is threatening to i war in ukraine is threatening to spread to nato countries, which would have us directly involved. they would stop at nothing to sabotage our energy supply and we could find ourselves severely compromised. china is using coal to build up the biggest military build—up in history. build up the biggest military build-up in history.- build up the biggest military build-up in history. come back on that, build-up in history. come back on that. james- _ build-up in history. come back on that. james- i _ build-up in history. come back on that, james. i kept _ build-up in history. come back on that, james. i kept that _ build-up in history. come back on that, james. i kept that point i build-up in history. come back on that, james. i kept that point of. that, james. i kept that point of view but it _ that, james. i kept that point of view but it is _ that, james. i kept that point of view but it is not _ that, james. i kept that point of view but it is not naivety, i that, james. i kept that point of view but it is not naivety, the i view but it is not naivety, the government_ view but it is not naivety, the government is— view but it is not naivety, the government is spending - view but it is not naivety, the| government is spending £236 view but it is not naivety, the - government is spending £236 million a week_ government is spending £236 million a week in_ government is spending £236 million a week in subsidising _ government is spending £236 million a week in subsidising oil, _ government is spending £236 million a week in subsidising oil, gas - government is spending £236 million a week in subsidising oil, gas and - a week in subsidising oil, gas and coat _ a week in subsidising oil, gas and coat why— a week in subsidising oil, gas and coat why not _ a week in subsidising oil, gas and coal. why not channel— a week in subsidising oil, gas and coal. why not channel that - a week in subsidising oil, gas and coal. why not channel that into i coal. why not channel that into renewable _ coal. why not channel that into renewable energies, _ coal. why not channel that into renewable energies, updating. coal. why not channel that into . renewable energies, updating the great, _ renewable energies, updating the great, wind — renewable energies, updating the great, wind turbines, _ renewable energies, updating the great, wind turbines, tidal, - great, wind turbines, tidal, offshore _ great, wind turbines, tidal,

offshore and _ great, wind turbines, tidal, offshore and onshore - great, wind turbines, tidal, i offshore and onshore winds? great, wind turbines, tidal, - offshore and onshore winds? —— updating — offshore and onshore winds? —— updating the _ offshore and onshore winds? —— updating the grate. _ offshore and onshore winds? —— updating the grate. we - offshore and onshore winds? —— updating the grate. we need - offshore and onshore winds? ——| updating the grate. we need the political— updating the grate. we need the political will _ updating the grate. we need the political will to— updating the grate. we need the political will to do— updating the grate. we need the political will to do this _ updating the grate. we need the political will to do this rather - political will to do this rather than — political will to do this rather thanjeopardising _ political will to do this rather thanjeopardising not - political will to do this rather thanjeopardising not only. political will to do this ratherl thanjeopardising not only our political will to do this rather - than jeopardising not only our lives now but— than jeopardising not only our lives now but our— than jeopardising not only our lives now but our children's _ than jeopardising not only our lives now but our children's lives - than jeopardising not only our lives now but our children's lives in - than jeopardising not only our lives now but our children's lives in the i now but our children's lives in the future _ now but our children's lives in the future i_ now but our children's lives in the future. i think— now but our children's lives in the future. i think energy— now but our children's lives in the future. i think energy security - now but our children's lives in the future. i think energy security is i now but our children's lives in the l future. i think energy security is a red herring — future. i think energy security is a red herring it _ future. i think energy security is a red herring. it is _ future. i think energy security is a red herring. it is a _ future. i think energy security is a red herring. it is a challenge - future. i think energy security is a red herring. it is a challenge but. red herring. it is a challenge but we have — red herring. it is a challenge but we have the _ red herring. it is a challenge but we have the solutions, - red herring. it is a challenge but we have the solutions, we - red herring. it is a challenge but we have the solutions, we just. red herring. it is a challenge but- we have the solutions, we just need the political— we have the solutions, we just need the political will, _ we have the solutions, we just need the political will, stop— we have the solutions, we just need the political will, stop the _ the political will, stop the profiteering _ the political will, stop the profiteering of _ the political will, stop the profiteering of these - the political will, stop the - profiteering of these massive oil companies — profiteering of these massive oil companies making _ profiteering of these massive oil companies making billions- profiteering of these massive oil companies making billions of- profiteering of these massive oil- companies making billions of pounds at the _ companies making billions of pounds at the expense — companies making billions of pounds at the expense of _ companies making billions of pounds at the expense of everyone - companies making billions of pounds at the expense of everyone else. - at the expense of everyone else. tony— at the expense of everyone else. tony bosworth? _ at the expense of everyone else. tony bosworth? i— at the expense of everyone else. tony bosworth? i agree, - at the expense of everyone else. tony bosworth? i agree, i- at the expense of everyone else. tony bosworth? i agree, i think. at the expense of everyone else. . tony bosworth? i agree, i think we need _ tony bosworth? i agree, i think we need to— tony bosworth? i agree, i think we need to tackle energy security that the irest— need to tackle energy security that the best way is home grown renewables, let's have more renewables, let's have more renewables produced in the uk, also solai’. _ renewables produced in the uk, also sotar, more — renewables produced in the uk, also solar, more onshore winds. the other criticat— solar, more onshore winds. the other critical elements of energy security is cutting _ critical elements of energy security is cutting down on the energy we use, _ is cutting down on the energy we use, so— is cutting down on the energy we use, so instead of investing in new fossil— use, so instead of investing in new fossil fuel— use, so instead of investing in new fossil fuel production, let's invest in insulating our homes, cut and how much _ in insulating our homes, cut and how much people — in insulating our homes, cut and how much people have to spend on energy bills, irut— much people have to spend on energy bills, but it _ much people have to spend on energy bills, but it is a great part of

energy— bills, but it is a great part of energy security which cuts bills and demands— energy security which cuts bills and demands and creates jobs, energy security which cuts bills and demands and createsjobs, it energy security which cuts bills and demands and creates jobs, it will create _ demands and creates jobs, it will create just— demands and creates jobs, it will create just as manyjobs in west cumbria — create just as manyjobs in west cumbria is— create just as manyjobs in west cumbria is the coalmine would. create just as many jobs in west cumbria is the coalmine would. john? i had said what _ cumbria is the coalmine would. john? i had said what i _ cumbria is the coalmine would. john? i had said what i have _ cumbria is the coalmine would. john? i had said what i have had _ cumbria is the coalmine would. john? i had said what i have had to - cumbria is the coalmine would. john? i had said what i have had to say, - i had said what i have had to say, there _ i had said what i have had to say, there is— i had said what i have had to say, there is no— i had said what i have had to say, there is no talking _ i had said what i have had to say, there is no talking to _ i had said what i have had to say, there is no talking to some - i had said what i have had to say, there is no talking to some of- i had said what i have had to say, i there is no talking to some of these people _ there is no talking to some of these people. they— there is no talking to some of these people. they have _ there is no talking to some of these people. they have their— there is no talking to some of these people. they have their opinions. . people. they have their opinions. like i_ people. they have their opinions. like i said. — people. they have their opinions. like l said. my— people. they have their opinions. like i said, my main— people. they have their opinions. like i said, my main concern- people. they have their opinions. like i said, my main concern is. people. they have their opinions. | like i said, my main concern is we will find _ like i said, my main concern is we will find ourselves— like i said, my main concern is we will find ourselves severely- will find ourselves severely compromised. _ will find ourselves severely compromised. rememberl will find ourselves severely- compromised. rememberwho we will find ourselves severely— compromised. remember who we are dealing _ compromised. remember who we are dealing with _ compromised. remember who we are dealing with here, _ compromised. remember who we are dealing with here, we _ compromised. remember who we are dealing with here, we are _ compromised. remember who we are dealing with here, we are dealing - dealing with here, we are dealing with a _ dealing with here, we are dealing with a man — dealing with here, we are dealing with a man that _ dealing with here, we are dealing with a man that has _ dealing with here, we are dealing with a man that has even - dealing with here, we are dealing. with a man that has even threatened nuclear— with a man that has even threatened nuclear missiles— with a man that has even threatened nuclear missiles being _ with a man that has even threatened nuclear missiles being fired - with a man that has even threatened nuclear missiles being fired at - with a man that has even threatened nuclear missiles being fired at us. i nuclear missiles being fired at us. thank— nuclear missiles being fired at us. thank you — nuclear missiles being fired at us. thank you i— nuclear missiles being fired at us. thank you. i will— nuclear missiles being fired at us. thank you. i will be _ nuclear missiles being fired at us. thank you. i will be with - nuclear missiles being fired at us. thank you. i will be with you, - nuclear missiles being fired at us. j thank you. i will be with you, joy, but first chris in aberystwyth, he has a point i would like tony to pick up on. what a history of coal mining in wales. wales was very often in some ways defined by its coal mining, those great clients,

that great industry, those communities? —— those great choirs. well, it ran the royal navy in world war i. i live off great, as lots of people in wales due, in actual fact i am on the side of a mountain —— i live off—grid. i can use coal, wood or oil. words will not run radiators, i burn anthracite, michael bill has gone up from a50 to 650 a tonne, and i need three tonnes a year, so we need to keep some coal mines open —— my coal bill has gone up. the uk i about i% of global pollution, c02. the big polluters are america. whatever we do in the uk, even if we all live in caves, it will not help the planet because the

increase in american c02 would gobble it up few others. so increase in american c02 would gobble it up few others.- increase in american c02 would gobble it up few others. so we would be -auttin gobble it up few others. so we would be putting ourselves _ gobble it up few others. so we would be putting ourselves out _ gobble it up few others. so we would be putting ourselves out on - be putting ourselves out on unnecessary disadvantage? == unnecessary disadvantage? -- american _ unnecessary disadvantage? » american c02 would gobble it up in a few hours. absolutely, they are building coalfired power stations every month. we had to be practical. we are a very small nation, we only produce i% of c02. we need to contribute to reducing c02 but there are lots of ways of doing that. britain is one of the least forested nations in europe, i think we have about 6% forest cover. {line nations in europe, i think we have about 696 forest cover.— about 696 forest cover. one of the most depleted. — about 696 forest cover. one of the most depleted, which _ about 696 forest cover. one of the most depleted, which is - about 696 forest cover. one of the most depleted, which is a - about 696 forest cover. one of the | most depleted, which is a scandal. let's plant trees, let's go to dave, respond to those points. hi. i

let's plant trees, let's go to dave, respond to those points. hi. i can't understand _ respond to those points. hi. i can't understand. if— respond to those points. hi. i can't understand. if there _ respond to those points. hi. i can't understand. if there was _ respond to those points. hi. i can't understand. if there was a - respond to those points. hi. i can't understand. if there was a lunatic. understand. if there was a lunatic running _ understand. if there was a lunatic running around the streets with a gun. _ running around the streets with a gun. do— running around the streets with a gun. do we — running around the streets with a gun, do we get everyone else a gun to act— gun, do we get everyone else a gun to act stupidly? just because the americans and the chinese can't see common—sense... i think a lot of others _ common—sense... i think a lot of others around the world. you can build _ others around the world. you can build att— others around the world. you can build all your coalmines are just add to— build all your coalmines are just add to the — build all your coalmines are just add to the situation. what you have to think— add to the situation. what you have to think of— add to the situation. what you have to think of its future generations. all right, — to think of its future generations. all right, we'll need to survive, but how — all right, we'll need to survive, but how grateful are our children's children's— but how grateful are our children's children's children going to be when they can't— children's children going to be when they can't breathe properly because of lack— they can't breathe properly because of lack of— they can't breathe properly because of lack of oxygen or the temperatures are such that in some places— temperatures are such that in some places around people are bursting into flames —— in some places around the world, _ into flames —— in some places around the world, people are bursting into ftanres _ the world, people are bursting into flames. we don't know the extent to which _ flames. we don't know the extent to which this— flames. we don't know the extent to which this will proliferate. if we can't _ which this will proliferate. if we can't set — which this will proliferate. if we can't set an example with our technology in this world, we must be

in the _ technology in this world, we must be in the asylum with everybody else, mustn't _ in the asylum with everybody else, mustn't we? i lost my partner three years— mustn't we? i lost my partner three years ago— mustn't we? i lost my partner three years ago with cancer and i am damn sure i_ years ago with cancer and i am damn sure l woutd — years ago with cancer and i am damn sure i would rather have her here and have — sure i would rather have her here and have money, that is the way everyhody— and have money, that is the way everybody needs to look at life. you need _ everybody needs to look at life. you need your— everybody needs to look at life. you need your family, you want your fanrity — need your family, you want your fanrity do — need your family, you want your family. do you want to deprive your family's— family. do you want to deprive your family's future families of life? if we don't — family's future families of life? if we don't start sorting it out on our doorstep, — we don't start sorting it out on our doorstep, the rest of the idiots in the world — doorstep, the rest of the idiots in the world will not learn from it. you have — the world will not learn from it. you have to set examples. i'm sorry, i'm you have to set examples. i'm sorry, in a _ you have to set examples. i'm sorry, in a irit— you have to set examples. i'm sorry, i'm a bit emotional.— i'm a bit emotional. don't apologise. _ i'm a bit emotional. don't apologise, you _ i'm a bit emotional. don't apologise, you think- i'm a bit emotional. don't apologise, you think this | i'm a bit emotional. don'tl apologise, you think this is insanity?— apologise, you think this is insanity? apologise, you think this is insani ? , , ., ., ., insanity? yes, it is to date. how far will it go? — insanity? yes, it is to date. how far will it go? my _ insanity? yes, it is to date. how far will it go? my mother's - far will it go? my mother's family, my adopted mother's family, and i will be _ my adopted mother's family, and i will be quite honest, my adopted nrother— will be quite honest, my adopted mother and father are the greatest parents _ mother and father are the greatest parents l _ mother and father are the greatest parents i ever could have had in my

life, parents i ever could have had in my life. nry— parents i ever could have had in my life, my mother's family were pit people. — life, my mother's family were pit people, when the pit closed, my uncle _ people, when the pit closed, my uncle jack— people, when the pit closed, my uncle jack went from wales to doncaster and some of the family moved _ doncaster and some of the family moved to— doncaster and some of the family moved to doncaster. he was in the pits. _ moved to doncaster. he was in the pits. they— moved to doncaster. he was in the pits, they were involved in the coal industry _ pits, they were involved in the coal industry. but i also lost an uncle before _ industry. but i also lost an uncle before my— industry. but i also lost an uncle before my mother was born because he had tb, _ before my mother was born because he had tb, he _ before my mother was born because he had tb, he got that under the think through— had tb, he got that under the think through working in the coalmine. —— he got _ through working in the coalmine. —— he got that— through working in the coalmine. —— he got that and other things through working _ he got that and other things through working in— he got that and other things through working in the coalmine. i know we have _ working in the coalmine. i know we have improved things, but think of the future — have improved things, but think of the future generations, don't think of the _ the future generations, don't think of the pound in your pocket now, because — of the pound in your pocket now, because the life you are depriving. i'm because the life you are depriving. l'm not— because the life you are depriving. l'm not a _ because the life you are depriving. i'm not a nico warrior, i don't go round _ i'm not a nico warrior, i don't go round in — i'm not a nico warrior, i don't go round in a — i'm not a nico warrior, i don't go round in a crowd ranting and raving at the _ round in a crowd ranting and raving at the government, i look at things from _ at the government, i look at things from a _ at the government, i look at things from a human point of view. we should _ from a human point of view. we should be — from a human point of view. we should be learning, we are human, we are meant— should be learning, we are human, we are meant to _ should be learning, we are human, we are meant to be clever and able to

create _ are meant to be clever and able to create things. 0ur industry back in the 1800s — create things. 0ur industry back in the 1800s created marvellous machines but we are paying the price for it with _ machines but we are paying the price for it with our climate. we have to think— for it with our climate. we have to think about — for it with our climate. we have to think about new technology to replace — think about new technology to replace that. we are clever enough, what is _ replace that. we are clever enough, what is the — replace that. we are clever enough, what is the matter with us? we have people _ what is the matter with us? we have people on— what is the matter with us? we have people on the moon, we are thinking of going _ people on the moon, we are thinking of going to _ people on the moon, we are thinking of going to other planets, why can't we come _ of going to other planets, why can't we come out of the planet that other people _ we come out of the planet that other people are _ we come out of the planet that other people are in and stop using such dangerous— people are in and stop using such dangerous materials.— dangerous materials. lukas... caroline lucas, _ dangerous materials. lukas... caroline lucas, sorry, - dangerous materials. lukas... caroline lucas, sorry, the - dangerous materials. lukas... l caroline lucas, sorry, the green dangerous materials. lukas... - caroline lucas, sorry, the green mp, decision a climate crime against humanity. chris, come back on dave's very impassioned call? he is right, isn't he? i very impassioned call? he is right, isn't he? , ., very impassioned call? he is right, isn't he? . .. , isn't he? i understand where he is cominu isn't he? i understand where he is coming from _ isn't he? i understand where he is coming from but _ isn't he? i understand where he is coming from but your— isn't he? i understand where he is coming from but your children - isn't he? i understand where he is| coming from but your children and your grandchildren— coming from but your children and your grandchildren need _ coming from but your children and your grandchildren need a - coming from but your children and your grandchildren need a pound i coming from but your children and i your grandchildren need a pound in coming from but your children and . your grandchildren need a pound in a pocket— your grandchildren need a pound in a pocket or— your grandchildren need a pound in a pocket or they — your grandchildren need a pound in a pocket or they will— your grandchildren need a pound in a pocket or they will have _ your grandchildren need a pound in a pocket or they will have no _ your grandchildren need a pound in a pocket or they will have no food, - pocket or they will have no food, you cannot —

pocket or they will have no food, you cannot destroy— pocket or they will have no food, you cannot destroy the _ pocket or they will have no food, you cannot destroy the british i you cannot destroy the british economy, _ you cannot destroy the british economy, we _ you cannot destroy the british economy, we are _ you cannot destroy the british economy, we are a _ you cannot destroy the british economy, we are a tiny- you cannot destroy the britishi economy, we are a tiny island, you cannot destroy the british - economy, we are a tiny island, we produce _ economy, we are a tiny island, we produce l%— economy, we are a tiny island, we produce l% of— economy, we are a tiny island, we produce i% of c02. _ economy, we are a tiny island, we produce i% of c02. climate - economy, we are a tiny island, we| produce i% of c02. climate change has to _ produce i% of c02. climate change has to be _ produce i% of c02. climate change has to be a — produce i% of c02. climate change has to be a global— produce i% of c02. climate change has to be a global effort, - produce i% of c02. climate change has to be a global effort, meaning| has to be a global effort, meaning there _ has to be a global effort, meaning there are — has to be a global effort, meaning there are 200 _ has to be a global effort, meaning there are 200 countries _ has to be a global effort, meaning there are 200 countries in - has to be a global effort, meaning there are 200 countries in the - there are 200 countries in the world, — there are 200 countries in the world, give _ there are 200 countries in the world, give or— there are 200 countries in the world, give or take _ there are 200 countries in the world, give or take our- there are 200 countries in the world, give or take our or- there are 200 countries in the | world, give or take our or two. there are 200 countries in the - world, give or take our or two. this little _ world, give or take our or two. this little island — world, give or take our or two. this little island will— world, give or take our or two. this little island will not _ world, give or take our or two. this little island will not make _ world, give or take our or two. this little island will not make a - little island will not make a difference, _ little island will not make a difference, let's _ little island will not make a difference, let's talk- little island will not make a difference, let's talk to - little island will not make a difference, let's talk to the j little island will not make a - difference, let's talk to the 199 other— difference, let's talk to the 199 other countries— difference, let's talk to the 199 other countries and _ difference, let's talk to the 199 other countries and see - difference, let's talk to the 199 other countries and see if - difference, let's talk to the 199 other countries and see if we l difference, let's talk to the 199 l other countries and see if we can agree _ other countries and see if we can agree on — other countries and see if we can agree on- - -_ other countries and see if we can aureeon... n ., ., agree on... isn't the whole point to make this little _ agree on... isn't the whole point to make this little island _ agree on... isn't the whole point to make this little island make - agree on... isn't the whole point to make this little island make more | agree on... isn't the whole point to | make this little island make more of a difference?— a difference? what is the point in makin: a difference? what is the point in making everybody _ a difference? what is the point in making everybody out _ a difference? what is the point in making everybody out of- a difference? what is the point in making everybody out of work - a difference? what is the point in | making everybody out of work and staffing? — making everybody out of work and staffin: ? ., ., , . , making everybody out of work and staffina? ., ., , , ., staffing? how many coalmines have we not that staffing? how many coalmines have we got that peeple — staffing? how many coalmines have we got that people will _ staffing? how many coalmines have we got that people will be _ staffing? how many coalmines have we got that people will be out _ staffing? how many coalmines have we got that people will be out of _ staffing? how many coalmines have we got that people will be out of work? - got that people will be out of work? i don't have a bus service,

idon't have a bus service, my doctor— idon't have a bus service, my doctor is— i don't have a bus service, my doctor is ten _ i don't have a bus service, my doctor is ten miles _ i don't have a bus service, my doctor is ten miles away, - i don't have a bus service, my doctor is ten miles away, the i doctor is ten miles away, the nearest — doctor is ten miles away, the nearest shop _ doctor is ten miles away, the nearest shop is _ doctor is ten miles away, the nearest shop is 12 _ doctor is ten miles away, the nearest shop is 12 miles - doctor is ten miles away, the i nearest shop is 12 miles away, doctor is ten miles away, the . nearest shop is 12 miles away, i need _ nearest shop is 12 miles away, i need a — nearest shop is 12 miles away, i need a car— nearest shop is 12 miles away, i need a car to— nearest shop is 12 miles away, i need a car to get— nearest shop is 12 miles away, i need a car to get to _ nearest shop is 12 miles away, i need a car to get to places. - nearest shop is 12 miles away, i need a car to get to places. i. nearest shop is 12 miles away, ii need a car to get to places. i am“ nearest shop is 12 miles away, i need a car to get to places. i am in a wheelchair. _ need a car to get to places. i am in a wheelchair, i _ need a car to get to places. i am in a wheelchair, i had _ need a car to get to places. i am in a wheelchair, i had disabilities, - need a car to get to places. i am in a wheelchair, i had disabilities, my local bank closed out its local branch, i had to go in a wheelchair for a0 minutes to get there. people need a pound in their pockets, but look into the future. i pound in the pocket will do no good if you don't have oxygen, or it is depleted. what have oxygen, or it is depleted. what we do in the — have oxygen, or it is depleted. what we do in the uk, _ have oxygen, or it is depleted. what we do in the uk, being _ have oxygen, or it is depleted. what we do in the uk, being only one country— we do in the uk, being only one country out _ we do in the uk, being only one country out of _ we do in the uk, being only one country out of 200... _ we do in the uk, being only one country out of 200... set- we do in the uk, being only one country out of 200. . ._ country out of 200. .. set an example- — country out of 200. .. set an example. get _ country out of 200. .. set an example. get your - country out of 200. .. set an example. get your mindset | country out of 200. .. set an _ example. get your mindset somewhere else rather than raving about needing money. set an example, everybody needs to set an example. hang on, guys. fill in, then it is

with us and everybody is welcome to join because it is such an important debate and it is crystallised —— phil in carmarthen is with us. you were a minor, what was it like? it were a minor, what was it like? it was good to work very, very good comradeship, my family were there too. , ., ., , , ., too. -- you were a miner. did you sa our too. -- you were a miner. did you say your father — too. -- you were a miner. did you say your father had _ too. -- you were a miner. did you say your father had worked - too. -- you were a miner. did you say your father had worked out. too. -- you were a miner. did you| say your father had worked out the mine and did not want you to? he still worked there when i did, he was quite — still worked there when i did, he was quite high up in the mine, in management. he was quite high up in the mine, in management-— was quite high up in the mine, in management. was quite high up in the mine, in manauement. �* ., , ., ., ., management. he didn't want you to do it? tell me more? _

management. he didn't want you to do it? tell me more? they _ management. he didn't want you to do it? tell me more? they use _ management. he didn't want you to do it? tell me more? they use the - management. he didn't want you to do it? tell me more? they use the line i it? tell me more? they use the line 'ust as it? tell me more? they use the line just as barriers _ it? tell me more? they use the line just as barriers to _ it? tell me more? they use the line just as barriers to stop _ it? tell me more? they use the line just as barriers to stop explosions. i just as barriers to stop explosions. -- they— just as barriers to stop explosions. -- they used — just as barriers to stop explosions. —— they used the dust as barriers. so you _ —— they used the dust as barriers. so you are — —— they used the dust as barriers. so you are breathing that in all the time _ so you are breathing that in all the time i_ so you are breathing that in all the time. i spent about 16 months down the mine _ time. i spent about 16 months down the mine and then moved to lancashire and did a differentjob. i lancashire and did a differentjob. l honestly— lancashire and did a differentjob. i honestly think they should reopen. it i honestly think they should reopen. it was _ i honestly think they should reopen. it was 1700 — i honestly think they should reopen. it was 1700 feet down. it was a very nicky— it was 1700 feet down. it was a very nicky mine. — it was 1700 feet down. it was a very nicky mine, the pumps were always pumping _ nicky mine, the pumps were always pumping water out, it was not very good _ pumping water out, it was not very good conditions at all. —— it was a very— good conditions at all. —— it was a very leaky— good conditions at all. —— it was a very leaky mine. in some places you had to— very leaky mine. in some places you had to pull— very leaky mine. in some places you had to pull yourself up with a rope.

i had to pull yourself up with a rope. i worked _ had to pull yourself up with a rope. i worked very, very close to the face _ i worked very, very close to the face it— i worked very, very close to the face it was— i worked very, very close to the face. it was good, i enjoyed it. but face. it was good, i en'oyed it. but we set an face. it was good, i enjoyed it. elf we set an example with our industry is a long time ago, we proliferated coal use around the world, i am sure it was us. it starts with somebody doing something somewhere, and if you always wait for somebody else, nothing will ever get it done. without coal, whether it be your thing or not, a third of the globe would not have been red, or was it pink? but that is what it drove and it is driving other empires. brenda in ashington, how fascinating is this to hear from in ashington, how fascinating is this to hearfrom mining in ashington, how fascinating is this to hear from mining families. this is your situation. before you answer whether we should ban all future minds, tell us about your

husband —— all future mines. mr; husband -- all future mines. my husband —— all future mines. m husband worked out husband —— all future mines. mg husband worked out the coal mines from leaving school at 15, four x number of years, about 18 years or something. apparently he left because of his health. —— partly he left because of his health, but he hated being down the mines. he worked at two foot height for about seven hours a day, sometimes crawling on his belly, getting in the coal faces, crawling on his belly, getting in the coalfaces, getting crawling on his belly, getting in the coal faces, getting the coal out. i know it has been... something was needed about there are other ways, other stuff we can use without going back to the coal mines. my husband still suffers now with his lungs, coal dust on his lungs, the

specialist says the bottom of his lungs is layered with cold dust and he suffers with his health badly now. that he suffers with his health badly now. �* ~' he suffers with his health badly now. �* ~ , ., now. at the time, men like your husband did _ now. at the time, men like your husband did so _ now. at the time, men like your husband did so much _ now. at the time, men like your husband did so much for- now. at the time, men like your husband did so much for us, - now. at the time, men like your husband did so much for us, so| now. at the time, men like your - husband did so much for us, so much for the country. i'm sure the technology is far better now, and the health and safety regulations. it should be. but the health and safety regulations. it should be— it should be. but you think we should shut _ it should be. but you think we should shut it _ it should be. but you think we should shut it off? _ it should be. but you think we should shut it off? i _ it should be. but you think we should shut it off? i don't - it should be. but you think we | should shut it off? i don't think they should — should shut it off? i don't think they should open _ should shut it off? i don't think they should open coalmines . should shut it off? i don't think- they should open coalmines again, thatis they should open coalmines again, that is just personally, me speaking. it that isjust personally, me speaking-— speaking. it is a valuable contribution. _ speaking. it is a valuable contribution. some - speaking. it is a valuable contribution. some of. speaking. it is a valuable| contribution. some of my speaking. it is a valuable - contribution. some of my very speaking. it is a valuable _ contribution. some of my very best to your husband. i wonder what he thinks about this. would he agree with you? he thinks about this. would he agree with ou? . thinks about this. would he agree with ou? , ., ., with you? he is not in at the moment. — with you? he is not in at the moment. he _ with you? he is not in at the moment, he keeps- with you? he is not in at thej moment, he keeps pigeons, with you? he is not in at the i moment, he keeps pigeons, he with you? he is not in at the - moment, he keeps pigeons, he is at his allotment. he spends all of his time at his allotment. hagar his allotment. he spends all of his time at his allotment.— time at his allotment. how many dueons time at his allotment. how many

pigeons does _ time at his allotment. how many pigeons does he _ time at his allotment. how many pigeons does he have? - time at his allotment. how many pigeons does he have? that - time at his allotment. how many pigeons does he have? that is i pigeons does he have? that is fascinating. _ pigeons does he have? that is fascinating. i— pigeons does he have? that is fascinating. i wouldn't - pigeons does he have? that is fascinating. i wouldn't know, i pigeons does he have? that is i fascinating. iwouldn't know, i'm fascinating. i wouldn't know, i'm not interested! window, so wonderful hearing from you. interesting statistic, international energy authority data has it that on this planet we produce about 7.a, i think it was 2019, something it's gone down a bit went up, it's gone back down, roughly anyway a roundabout there, billion tonnes of coal which, a tonne of coalfor each billion tonnes of coal which, a tonne of coal for each of us, the costlier asking. the asking this morning, should we ban coalmines? —— brenda.

here is the news from bethan holmes. nicky, thank you. search teams are racing to find a small submersible vessel that's gone missing during a dive to the wreck of the titanic. five people are on board including british billionaire and explorer hamish harding. pakistani businessman shahzarda dawood and his son sulaiman are also on the trip. they're searching the north atlantics surface as well as using underwater sonar. the average tenant in the uk now spends more than 28% of their pre—tax income on rent. the data — from zoopla — suggests people are spending more of their wages on rent than at any other time in the past decade. food inflation has fallen to its lowest monthly rate so far this year — but still remains high. it rose by an average of 16.5% compared with the same period last year. that's down from 17.2% the previous month. scotland's target for cutting greenhouse gas emissions has been missed — after a bounce back following the pandemic. total emissions are now a9.9% lower than in 1990 — but the target for this year was a 51.1% cut.

it's the eighth time in 12 years the scottish government has missed its legally binding target. those were the news headlines. with the sport, here's shourjo sarkar. good morning. the first ashes test match is beautifully poised heading into the final day, with both england and australia having a chance for victory. however, there has been rain at edgbaston this morning. 0ur reporter henry moran is there. still growing here this morning but the question will be how long it takes to clear things up so we can start. the target for australia 17a runs, seven wickets in hand, england had a brilliant hour last night, stuart broad getting crucial wickets and if he can start well today and

england get an early breakthrough they could well when the first test match. beautifully poised and we will have more news as and when we know about the crucial weather forecast. there'll be commentary on 5 sports extra when play gets underway. the former manchester united defender, gary neville, has told 5 live that the club's protracted takeover has been an embarrassment. neville has blamed the owners — the glazers — for dragging out talks, and says it's not in the best interest of manchester united, meanwhile, neville's fellow pundit, jamie carragher, wants liverpool's trent alexander arnold to be a regular starter in england's midfield. alexander—arnold has impressed playing there for the national side, as they've won their last two matches a—0, and 7—0. royal ascot starts today, with legendaryjockey frankie dettori preparing to ride at the meeting for the final time. the 52—year—old jockey will retire later this year.

we are busy and multilayered, if i may say so because we are discussing coal. the government is planning to remove a ban on opening a new coal mines, the band was added in the house of lords to the energy bill and the peers put it in. it's made a lot of people, the government plan, got a lot of people extremely, fired up, quite frankly. caroline lucas green mp called the decision a climate crime against humanity saying instead of backing thousands

of green jobs and sustainable economic revival the climate has backed backward —looking standard asset coal mining however the government and the report on whitehaven was sent to michael gove and the government said the monk was possible within climate legislation which requires us to reach net zero by 2050 as operations will shut down by 2050 as operations will shut down by 2049. by 2050 as operations will shut down by 20a9. we have similar callers including allen in lancaster. tony and mike are with us as well as paul. ~ .. and mike are with us as well as paul. ~ ., ., ,, ~' and mike are with us as well as paul. ~ ., ., , ., ,. ., ., paul. what do you think. i wanted to touch upon — paul. what do you think. i wanted to touch upon a — paul. what do you think. i wanted to touch upon a couple _ paul. what do you think. i wanted to touch upon a couple of— paul. what do you think. i wanted to touch upon a couple of points. - touch upon a couple of points. firstly in terms of the gentleman who mentioned about the investment coming from a private company, i think it's 150 million, coming from a private company, i think it's150 million, the mining activities is done by a company itself but that's been one of the

longest arguments people have had, fossil fuel companies have tonnes of money to throw around and carry on their activities but the external cost of fossil fuel production is not being borne by those companies so huge health impacts happening from these activities, environmental impacts, all of those will be borne by the taxpayers, is paying for people who suffer from lung disease, contaminated water, longer term impacts in terms of emissions, people suffering from colder winters and heatstroke, people burning more energy to stay warm. these sorts of impacts are not covered in the investment, the company will not pay for the longer term impacts and as you mentioned, in the international stage, this will send the wrong signal. i was at a un summit on climate change in germany, the uk take centre stage in terms of being able to fight the climate crisis in

terms of being able to help vulnerable countries tackle the effects they are having but this is completely the wrong signal and the message we are going ahead with at the global stage. the uk taking responsibility for the actions they are doing, this is completely criminal and continuing to do so, having signed up on treaties, being able to get the signal to the rest of the world that they will be net zero in the longer term. these are criminal activities, the impacts will not be covered by any other private companies, these will be activities that the taxpayer will have to fund.— activities that the taxpayer will have to fund. .. ., ., ., ~' have to fund. china, india looking at us, have to fund. china, india looking at us. the — have to fund. china, india looking at us. the us. _ have to fund. china, india looking at us, the us, are _ have to fund. china, india looking at us, the us, are they _ have to fund. china, india looking at us, the us, are they bothered, j at us, the us, are they bothered, russia? five us states accounted for a huge percentage of the countries call production. it is this setting

an example orare call production. it is this setting an example or are we shooting ourselves in the foot? completely shootin: ourselves in the foot? completely shooting ourselves _ ourselves in the foot? completely shooting ourselves in _ ourselves in the foot? completely shooting ourselves in the - ourselves in the foot? completely shooting ourselves in the foot. if| shooting ourselves in the foot. if you took the same level of investment that you have in keeping these fossil fuels going... l investment that you have in keeping these fossilfuels going... l did these fossil fuels going... i did not these fossil fuels going... i did rrot express — these fossil fuels going... i did not express myself _ these fossil fuels going... i did not express myself as - these fossil fuels going... i did not express myself as well, i these fossil fuels going... i did not express myself as well, shooting ourselves in the foot by not having cole as an element of the energy picture because of what is happening in the rest of the world? your picture because of what is happening in the rest of the world?— in the rest of the world? your other anellist in the rest of the world? your other panellist mentioned _ in the rest of the world? your other panellist mentioned those - in the rest of the world? your other i panellist mentioned those companies and states will face these reduced costs on the open market, call will be a dying sector in around five years or so. that will not be something these companies can do for very long so being able to transition and have the green revolution that you can subsidise and get morejobs coming in, it is the right way to go. you are not going to be getting anyone going after date technology. are you angry

about this? absolutely. it's completely hypocritical for you to say is a uk citizen to go to conventions and talk to people working in the climate sector and telling people you are doing the right thing when you come back home and see things like this with nothing from the government. allen, what do you — nothing from the government. allen, what do you hear— nothing from the government. allen, what do you hear about _ nothing from the government. allen, what do you hear about that - what do you hear about that contribution? l what do you hear about that contribution?— what do you hear about that contribution? .. ., ., ., , contribution? i hear a lot of this. we are one _ contribution? i hear a lot of this. we are one of — contribution? i hear a lot of this. we are one of the _ contribution? i hear a lot of this. we are one of the lowest. - contribution? i hear a lot of this. we are one of the lowest. let's i contribution? i hear a lot of this. - we are one of the lowest. let's show we are _ we are one of the lowest. let's show we are a _ we are one of the lowest. let's show we are a country that is the top of it and _ we are a country that is the top of it and the — we are a country that is the top of it and the other countries like you 'ust it and the other countries like you just mentioned, america, india, putting — just mentioned, america, india, putting so— just mentioned, america, india, putting so much of the coal in, we are just _ putting so much of the coal in, we are just a — putting so much of the coal in, we are just a small thing so we are there. — are just a small thing so we are there, running the smallest cars, fuel, _ there, running the smallest cars, fuel, always ahead of the game and the british— fuel, always ahead of the game and the british people and the poverty it is causing. this call may be a

temporary_ it is causing. this call may be a temporary measure, opening this new site, temporary measure, opening this new site. put— temporary measure, opening this new site. put a _ temporary measure, opening this new site, put a restriction on it for maybe — site, put a restriction on it for maybe ten— site, put a restriction on it for maybe ten years and what ricoh but the gas _ maybe ten years and what ricoh but the gas is _ maybe ten years and what ricoh but the gas is expensive and it's making a lot of— the gas is expensive and it's making a lot of places close down so let's look at _ a lot of places close down so let's look at how... we do monitor it, we must _ look at how... we do monitor it, we must be _ look at how... we do monitor it, we must be one — look at how... we do monitor it, we must be one of the best monitored countries _ must be one of the best monitored countries in — must be one of the best monitored countries in the world. more must be one of the best monitored countries in the world.— countries in the world. more and more renewables. .. _ countries in the world. more and more renewables... competingi countries in the world. more and i more renewables... competing on price as well. i was reading this morning research from the climate think tank carbon tracker which says coal power will become a standard asset by 2030 not as renewable, not competing on price, not nearly as attractive for investors and we are still on that bus? {gall attractive for investors and we are still on that bus?— still on that bus? coal will get

reduced and _ still on that bus? coal will get reduced and cut _ still on that bus? coal will get reduced and cut to _ still on that bus? coal will get reduced and cut to nothing i still on that bus? coal will get| reduced and cut to nothing and still on that bus? coal will get - reduced and cut to nothing and we should _ reduced and cut to nothing and we should not— reduced and cut to nothing and we should not do that but it's only because — should not do that but it's only because russia is causing us this small— because russia is causing us this small problem and we will suffer as a major— small problem and we will suffer as a major country, we can all see we are suffering, that is why we are talking _ are suffering, that is why we are talking about it but the bigger picture — talking about it but the bigger picture is we don't need to help out and we _ picture is we don't need to help out and we do — picture is we don't need to help out and we do need to get the place cleaner— and we do need to get the place cleaner and we are doing it, progressing with that and people arem _ progressing with that and people arem the — progressing with that and people are... the protesters always going and everybody is going and let's sort it— and everybody is going and let's sort it out— and everybody is going and let's sort it out and we are doing but none _ sort it out and we are doing but none of— sort it out and we are doing but none of the rest of the countries are doing — none of the rest of the countries are doing what we are the front. 1%, like chris— are doing what we are the front. 1%, like chris said... are doing what we are the front. 196, like chris said. . ._ like chris said... there are a lot of people _ like chris said... there are a lot of people across _ like chris said... there are a lot of people across the _ like chris said... there are a lot of people across the world - like chris said... there are a lot of people across the world who | like chris said... there are a lot - of people across the world who care about this. in australia, interestingly, big call producer, protests over the last few weeks. —— coal producer. they disrupted

shipments in newcastle, brisbane, melbourne, a massive row in the eu at the moment but saqib, that's interesting, what's going on in the eu at the moment, countries fighting attempts by poland to increase its coal production, saqib? like attempts by poland to increase its coal production, saqib?— attempts by poland to increase its coal production, saqib? like i said, like the gentleman _ coal production, saqib? like i said, like the gentleman mention, - coal production, saqib? like i said, like the gentleman mention, these | like the gentleman mention, these are standard assets which will not be viable in the long run so countries taking these things seriously will take the right steps going ahead and the uk is going to be one of the lacquers named and shamed. ll be one of the lacquers named and shamed. . be one of the lacquers named and shamed. , ., ., ., shamed. it is the here and out have 'obs shamed. it is the here and out have jobs though. _ shamed. it is the here and out have jobs though, isn't _ shamed. it is the here and out have jobs though, isn't it? _ shamed. it is the here and out have jobs though, isn't it? the _ shamed. it is the here and out have jobs though, isn't it? the jobs - shamed. it is the here and out have jobs though, isn't it? the jobs and i jobs though, isn't it? the 'obs and the profits. — jobs though, isn't it? the 'obs and the profits. we * jobs though, isn't it? the 'obs and the profits, we allh jobs though, isn't it? the 'obs and the profits, we all need _ jobs though, isn't it? the jobs and the profits, we all need that. - jobs though, isn't it? the jobs and the profits, we all need that. thel the profits, we all need that. the other— the profits, we all need that. the other thing i was thinking, the main picture _ other thing i was thinking, the main picture of— other thing i was thinking, the main picture of it— other thing i was thinking, the main picture of it is we are monitoring it, picture of it is we are monitoring it. that _ picture of it is we are monitoring it. that is — picture of it is we are monitoring it, that is the key i think. if it is monitored and done correctly and

we don't _ is monitored and done correctly and we don't need it, we get rid of it, that is— we don't need it, we get rid of it, that is the — we don't need it, we get rid of it, that is the way we are trying to do it and _ that is the way we are trying to do it and a _ that is the way we are trying to do it and a lot — that is the way we are trying to do it and a lot of people are trying to do it— it and a lot of people are trying to do it too— it and a lot of people are trying to do it too fast. underinvested in nuclear— do it too fast. underinvested in nuclear or— do it too fast. underinvested in nuclear or in a lot of things, the government needs to step forward and start to _ government needs to step forward and start to think forward and future which _ start to think forward and future which they are doing, electric cars and stuff— which they are doing, electric cars and stuff but the infrastructure is not there — and stuff but the infrastructure is not there. .. . and stuff but the infrastructure is not there. , ., , not there. saqib, i would be interested _ not there. saqib, i would be interested in _ not there. saqib, i would be interested in what _ not there. saqib, i would be interested in what you - not there. saqib, i would be interested in what you think| not there. saqib, i would be - interested in what you think about cathy makes a point. what is your point? good morning! l do cathy makes a point. what is your point? good morning!— cathy makes a point. what is your point? good morning! i do not come from a tit point? good morning! i do not come from a pit village — point? good morning! i do not come from a pit village myself _ point? good morning! i do not come from a pit village myself but - point? good morning! i do not come from a pit village myself but my - from a pit village myself but my father— from a pit village myself but my father did. _ from a pit village myself but my father did, he _ from a pit village myself but my father did, he came _ from a pit village myself but my father did, he came from - from a pit village myself but my| father did, he came from saturn from a pit village myself but my- father did, he came from saturn and there _ father did, he came from saturn and there is— father did, he came from saturn and there is a _ father did, he came from saturn and there is a terrible _ father did, he came from saturn and there is a terrible vacuum _ father did, he came from saturn and there is a terrible vacuum created i there is a terrible vacuum created when _ there is a terrible vacuum created when the — there is a terrible vacuum created when the pit _ there is a terrible vacuum created when the pit closed. _ there is a terrible vacuum created when the pit closed. we - there is a terrible vacuum created when the pit closed. we need - there is a terrible vacuum created when the pit closed. we need to. there is a terrible vacuum created i when the pit closed. we need to give our young _ when the pit closed. we need to give our young people _ when the pit closed. we need to give our young people jobs _ when the pit closed. we need to give our young people jobs. and - when the pit closed. we need to give our young people jobs. and it- when the pit closed. we need to give our young people jobs. and it is-

when the pit closed. we need to give our young people jobs. and it is ok l our young people jobs. and it is ok to beat— our young people jobs. and it is ok to beat people _ our young people jobs. and it is ok to beat people protesting _ our young people jobs. and it is ok to beat people protesting who - to beat people protesting who already— to beat people protesting who already have _ to beat people protesting who already have cushy _ to beat people protesting who already have cushyjobs. - to beat people protesting who already have cushyjobs. —— i to beat people protesting who i already have cushyjobs. —— from sutton _ already have cushyjobs. —— from sutton people _ already have cushyjobs. —— from sutton. people suffering - already have cushyjobs. —— from sutton. people suffering from i sutton. people suffering from unemployment. _ sutton. people suffering from unemployment, i— sutton. people suffering from unemployment, ithink- sutton. people suffering from unemployment, i think it - sutton. people suffering from i unemployment, i think it would sutton. people suffering from - unemployment, i think it would be a -ood unemployment, i think it would be a good thing _ unemployment, i think it would be a good thing for — unemployment, i think it would be a good thing for the _ unemployment, i think it would be a good thing for the uk _ unemployment, i think it would be a good thing for the uk to _ unemployment, ! think it would be a good thing for the uk to do- unemployment, i think it would be a good thing for the uk to do to - good thing for the uk to do to maintain _ good thing for the uk to do to maintain self— good thing for the uk to do to maintain self proficiency- good thing for the uk to do to maintain self proficiency as i good thing for the uk to do to i maintain self proficiency as well, we need — maintain self proficiency as well, we need to— maintain self proficiency as well, we need to be _ maintain self proficiency as well, we need to be self—sufficient. i maintain self proficiency as well, we need to be self-sufficient. would ou like we need to be self-sufficient. would you like more _ we need to be self-sufficient. would you like more coal _ we need to be self-sufficient. would you like more coal minds _ we need to be self-sufficient. would you like more coal minds to - we need to be self-sufficient. would you like more coal minds to open? i you like more coal minds to open? reopen, yeah and i think there is a structure _ reopen, yeah and i think there is a structure that — reopen, yeah and i think there is a structure that has _ reopen, yeah and i think there is a structure that has been— reopen, yeah and i think there is a structure that has been built - reopen, yeah and i think there is a structure that has been built neari structure that has been built near me and _ structure that has been built near me and they— structure that has been built near me and they have _ structure that has been built near me and they have no _ structure that has been built near me and they have no chimneys i structure that has been built near| me and they have no chimneys on them, _ me and they have no chimneys on them. i_ me and they have no chimneys on them. i do — me and they have no chimneys on them. l do not— me and they have no chimneys on them, i do not think— me and they have no chimneys on them, i do not think that - me and they have no chimneys on them, i do not think that is - me and they have no chimneys on them, i do not think that is fair. them, i do not think that is fair because — them, i do not think that is fair because people _ them, i do not think that is fair because people are _ them, i do not think that is fair because people are forced - them, i do not think that is fair because people are forced to i them, i do not think that is fair. because people are forced to use electricity— because people are forced to use electricity which— because people are forced to use electricity which is _ because people are forced to use electricity which is more - because people are forced to use i electricity which is more expensive. you cannot— electricity which is more expensive. you cannot use _ electricity which is more expensive. you cannot use coal— electricity which is more expensive. you cannot use coal fires, - electricity which is more expensive. you cannot use coal fires, you - electricity which is more expensive. i you cannot use coal fires, you know? sagib. _ you cannot use coal fires, you know? sagib. can— you cannot use coal fires, you know? saqib, can renewables _ you cannot use coal fires, you know? saqib, can renewables replace - you cannot use coal fires, you know? saqib, can renewables replace the i saqib, can renewables replace the jobs? saqib, can renewables replace the 'obs? ~ , , ., jobs? absolutely. there is a disconnect _ jobs? absolutely. there is a disconnect between - jobs? absolutely. there is a disconnect between these i jobs? absolutely. there is a i disconnect between these are investments done by the private

company but when they back out they are not taking care of the people they fire, the miners working for them or the transport division working for them, those fall on the communities and government and the disconnect is if the government does not take a strong stand bringing in green sectorjobs, a decision from parliament that they already have in terms of not having more fossil fuel industries, if they do not take them seriously you will have impacts on communities were people... loss of sound we arejust missing loss of sound we are just missing the line. another point worth making, some of the great evils of the world and problems of the present should be ended or sustained by arguments that they are economically necessary. hence the complexity of the debate. joe is in leeds, alison is in beverly, it was going to ask you,

paul, as an ex miner, do you look back fondly on your time down the pits? l back fondly on your time down the tits? ., ., , , pits? i do, the comradeship, you will not pits? i do, the comradeship, you will rrot find _ pits? i do, the comradeship, you will not find it _ pits? i do, the comradeship, you will not find it anywhere - pits? i do, the comradeship, you will not find it anywhere else. i pits? i do, the comradeship, you| will not find it anywhere else. the point i wanted to make my understanding is we are sitting on 300 year reserves of coal. although they want to open the minds for a deep coal mine you cannot open it and throw somebody down to work down there straight off the dole. it is an experienced job hunt through maggie thatcher and her government in 8a we lost all the experience so as far as opening a deep coal mine you cannot put anybody down there to work because they have no experience and the only other way is open cast and the only other way is open cast and the only other way is open cast and the environmentalists will not have that. fire

and the environmentalists will not have that. �* , and the environmentalists will not have that._ that i and the environmentalists will not have that._ that is | have that. are they right? that is the toint. have that. are they right? that is the point- they — have that. are they right? that is the point. they are _ have that. are they right? that is the point. they are semiskilled . have that. are they right? that is i the point. they are semiskilled jobs which we did down there, i worked down the 17 years. you cannot put anyone down there to work under the conditions. joe anyone down there to work under the conditions. , ., . anyone down there to work under the conditions. , ., , ., ., conditions. joe is on the line, what do ou conditions. joe is on the line, what do you think? _ conditions. joe is on the line, what do you think? i— conditions. joe is on the line, what do you think? ithink— conditions. joe is on the line, what do you think? i think it _ conditions. joe is on the line, what do you think? i think it is - conditions. joe is on the line, what do you think? i think it is clear- do you think? i think it is clear that this is _ do you think? i think it is clear that this is not _ do you think? i think it is clear that this is not consistent - do you think? i think it is clear that this is not consistent with j that this is not consistent with climate — that this is not consistent with climate goals. it has been made very clear by— climate goals. it has been made very clear by the — climate goals. it has been made very clear by the un general secretary. we or— clear by the un general secretary. we or on— clear by the un general secretary. we or on a — clear by the un general secretary. we or on a highway to climb and tell. _ we or on a highway to climb and tell. leave — we or on a highway to climb and tell, leave coal in the ground and transfer— tell, leave coal in the ground and transfer people to renewable jobs. if i transfer people to renewable jobs. if i could _ transfer people to renewable jobs. if i could say i was in glasgow for the conference the parties had in

c0p26~ _ the conference the parties had in cop26. and the activities going on, you know. — cop26. and the activities going on, you know, taking any further fossil fuels _ you know, taking any further fossil fuels out _ you know, taking any further fossil fuels out of — you know, taking any further fossil fuels out of the ground, i met a ground — fuels out of the ground, i met a ground who said he worked on an oil i'll ground who said he worked on an oil rig and _ ground who said he worked on an oil rig and he _ ground who said he worked on an oil rig and he said do not let anybody tell you _ rig and he said do not let anybody tell you that there are no jobs if you close — tell you that there are no jobs if you close down or coal. i work making — you close down or coal. i work making wind turbines, plenty of green _ making wind turbines, plenty of greenjobs. you could be trained to do a differentjob. quite easily. save _ do a differentjob. quite easily. save the — do a differentjob. quite easily. save the future for the children is what _ save the future for the children is what he _ save the future for the children is what he said. i save the future for the children is what he said-— what he said. i will be fascinated to hear your _ what he said. i will be fascinated to hear your answer _ what he said. i will be fascinated to hear your answer to _ what he said. i will be fascinated to hear your answer to the - what he said. i will be fascinated - to hear your answer to the question, we are reading a lot of the texts which say in a great scheme of things we are a puddle in the ocean, what about the usa, australia,

malaysia... what about the usa, australia, malaysia- - -_ what about the usa, australia, mala sia... ., ., ., malaysia... people and all of those countries rising _ malaysia... people and all of those countries rising up _ malaysia... people and all of those countries rising up against - malaysia... people and all of those countries rising up against the - countries rising up against the government doing the very thing that our government managed to do which is wreck— our government managed to do which is wreck the _ our government managed to do which is wreck the future for the children by picking — is wreck the future for the children by picking up more fossil fuels and burning _ by picking up more fossil fuels and burning more coal and i think from what _ burning more coal and i think from what someone ever said, people and children— what someone ever said, people and children will not be able to breathe at the _ children will not be able to breathe at the minute, one in five people die from — at the minute, one in five people die from air— at the minute, one in five people die from air pollution already. you know, _ die from air pollution already. you know. other— die from air pollution already. you know, other countries, the activists. _ know, other countries, the activists, the protesters there, or dealing _ activists, the protesters there, or dealing with their own country, we are dealing — dealing with their own country, we are dealing with ours and we do not want _ are dealing with ours and we do not want new— are dealing with ours and we do not want new coal.— are dealing with ours and we do not want new coal. there will not be too much of that — want new coal. there will not be too much of that in _ want new coal. there will not be too much of that in china _ want new coal. there will not be too much of that in china though, - want new coal. there will not be too much of that in china though, were i much of that in china though, were there? i much of that in china though, were there? ~ . ~ ~ ., there? i think there is. we like to tar everyone _ there? i think there is. we like to tar everyone else... _ there? i think there is. we like to tar everyone else... they - there? i think there is. we like to tar everyone else... they are - there? i think there is. we like to tar everyone else... they are not| tar everyone else... they are not well disposed — tar everyone else... they are not well disposed towards _ tar everyone else... they are not|

well disposed towards protesters. and here also, we are not well disposed — and here also, we are not well disposed to protesters! legislation which _ disposed to protesters! legislation which says if you try to stop... interesting _ which says if you try to stop... interesting comparisons, some might say, maybe not entirely valid but we will talk about that, we have talked about that in the past and we will in the future. in the report sent to michael gove on whitehaven, the planning inspectorate report, they said the mine would have an overall neutral effect on climate change because the likely amount of coal used in steel—making would be broadly the same with or without, you think that is nonsense? l do. broadly the same with or without, you think that is nonsense? i do. i am not a scientist _ you think that is nonsense? i do. i am not a scientist or— you think that is nonsense? i do. i am not a scientist or engineer - you think that is nonsense? i do. i am not a scientist or engineer but| am not a scientist or engineer but when _ am not a scientist or engineer but when i _ am not a scientist or engineer but when i hear— am not a scientist or engineer but when i hear someone digging up more fossil fuel— when i hear someone digging up more fossil fuel in _ when i hear someone digging up more fossil fuel in this climate, the climate — fossil fuel in this climate, the climate of hell, that we are progressing towards, i think there has progressing towards, ! think there has to— progressing towards, i think there has to be — progressing towards, i think there has to be profit behind it. i am

from _ has to be profit behind it. i am from a — has to be profit behind it. i am from a retired unison branch and devoted — from a retired unison branch and devoted in — from a retired unison branch and devoted in the agm in may 23 that unison— devoted in the agm in may 23 that unison demands west yorkshire pension— unison demands west yorkshire pension fund, that they must divest from having investment in fossil fuels _ from having investment in fossil fuels so — from having investment in fossil fuels so people can take that kind of action— fuels so people can take that kind of action as well.— of action as well. divestments. absolutely. _ of action as well. divestments. absolutely, good _ of action as well. divestments. absolutely, good stuff, - of action as well. divestments. absolutely, good stuff, thanki of action as well. divestments. i absolutely, good stuff, thank you of action as well. divestments. - absolutely, good stuff, thank you so much. alison, a law dealing with claims from x miners, where are you on this? l claims from x miners, where are you on this? ., . claims from x miners, where are you on this? .., , ., , ., claims from x miners, where are you onthis? ., , on this? i was historically a lawyer deahnt on this? i was historically a lawyer dealing with _ on this? i was historically a lawyer dealing with mining _ on this? i was historically a lawyer dealing with mining claims. - on this? i was historically a lawyerl dealing with mining claims. dealing with accidents in the 80s and went through the 90s sent to thousands dealing with disease claims. health and safe , dealing with disease claims. health and safety, what _ dealing with disease claims. health and safety, what was _ dealing with disease claims. health and safety, what was it _ dealing with disease claims. health and safety, what was it like? - dealing with disease claims. health| and safety, what was it like? really tood, in and safety, what was it like? really good. in that _ and safety, what was it like? really good, in that era, _ and safety, what was it like? really good, in that era, really _ and safety, what was it like? really good, in that era, really good, - good, in that era, really good, historically it might not have been

but it was excellent. there is a massive amount of legislation surrounding health and safety down the mines and over the years, the number of accidents dwindled, massively compared to when i started. and i also come from a background, my family were in mining, they started in durham and went down to kent and i interviewed a lot of minors in my work and i found there was massive camaraderie in the workforce, it echoes what that gentleman said earlier. they used to work in teams and they were really low and a lot of them really enjoyed their work. —— really low. realistically, things have moved on

environmentally and the tories close them down. —— really loyal. environmentally, they are just playing, the government, with this. cop26 was on these islands. you cannot take the politics out of coal, can you? cannot take the politics out of coal. can you?— cannot take the politics out of coal, can ou? ., ., ., , coal, can you? no, no! i am sorry, it was a great — coal, can you? no, no! i am sorry, it was a great industry. _ coal, can you? no, no! i am sorry, it was a great industry. yet - it was a great industry. yet mention the camaraderie, _ it was a great industry. yet mention the camaraderie, paul, _ it was a great industry. yet mention the camaraderie, paul, are - it was a great industry. yet mention the camaraderie, paul, are you - it was a great industry. yet mention the camaraderie, paul, are you still| the camaraderie, paul, are you still with us? you touch the night, didn't you? the camaraderie, all in there together, do something dangerous together, do something dangerous together, for the common will, for the common good. the together, for the common will, for the common good.— together, for the common will, for the common good. the point is with the common good. the point is with the deet the common good. the point is with the deep coal— the common good. the point is with the deep coal mine, _ the common good. the point is with the deep coal mine, the _ the common good. the point is with the deep coal mine, the younger i the deep coal mine, the younger generation which i was when i

started. — generation which i was when i started, you had to go with the experienced miners and learn. we are talking _ experienced miners and learn. we are talking about geological problems here and you never know when the roof would — here and you never know when the roof would come down and before you know it. _ roof would come down and before you know it. you _ roof would come down and before you know it, you have 12 feet above you with nothing there. so you have got to understand the people that worked down there, it was a dangerous job and everybody looked after each other _ and everybody looked after each other and — and everybody looked after each other and we didn'tjust stay there either _ other and we didn'tjust stay there either the — other and we didn'tjust stay there either. the communities we all lived. — either. the communities we all lived. we — either. the communities we all lived, we were all as one. yeah, those were _ lived, we were all as one. yeah, those were different _ lived, we were all as one. yeah, those were different times, - lived, we were all as one. yeah, i those were different times, weren't they? those were different times, weren't the ? , ' , ., , they? very different times. people have told me _ they? very different times. people have told me about _ they? very different times. people have told me about the _ they? very different times. people i have told me about the camaraderie in the _ have told me about the camaraderie in the forces and i respect the

forces. — in the forces and i respect the forces. do _ in the forces and i respect the forces, do not get me wrong but the camaraderie that we had as miners was like _ camaraderie that we had as miners was like second to none and nobody will even _ was like second to none and nobody will even come close to that. down there, will even come close to that. down there. looking _ will even come close to that. down there, looking out _ will even come close to that. down there, looking out for _ will even come close to that. down there, looking out for each - will even come close to that. down there, looking out for each other i there, looking out for each other all the time, weren't you? looking after each other _ all the time, weren't you? looking after each other and _ all the time, weren't you? looking after each other and also, - all the time, weren't you? looking after each other and also, if- all the time, weren't you? looking after each other and also, if you i after each other and also, if you turned _ after each other and also, if you turned off— after each other and also, if you turned off your cap lamp you will not be _ turned off your cap lamp you will not be able to see your hand in front— not be able to see your hand in front of— not be able to see your hand in front of you, that is what it was like so — front of you, that is what it was like so you _ front of you, that is what it was like so you needed to rely on your cap lamp~ — like so you needed to rely on your cat lamt. ~ . like so you needed to rely on your cat lam. . .. .,, like so you needed to rely on your catlamnt ., ~' ., like so you needed to rely on your cat-lam.t ., ~' ., ., cap lamp. what was it like after a lont , cap lamp. what was it like after a long. hard. _ cap lamp. what was it like after a long, hard, sweaty, _ cap lamp. what was it like after a long, hard, sweaty, dirty - cap lamp. what was it like after a long, hard, sweaty, dirty day, i long, hard, sweaty, dirty day, slogging down there, coming into the daylight? that slogging down there, coming into the da litht? . . . slogging down there, coming into the da litht? .. . ., daylight? that is what it was, it was long. _ daylight? that is what it was, it was long. hot — daylight? that is what it was, it was long, hot and _ daylight? that is what it was, it was long, hot and sweaty - daylight? that is what it was, it was long, hot and sweaty and i | daylight? that is what it was, it - was long, hot and sweaty and i used to drive _ was long, hot and sweaty and i used to drive the — was long, hot and sweaty and i used to drive the machine so i used to have _ to drive the machine so i used to have a _ to drive the machine so i used to have a helmet, goggles, dust mask,

earmuffs— have a helmet, goggles, dust mask, earmuffs and temperatures, 20 degrees — earmuffs and temperatures, 20 degrees plus that you were working in. degrees plus that you were working in~ soon— degrees plus that you were working in soon as — degrees plus that you were working in. soon as you finished your shift you got— in. soon as you finished your shift you got out— in. soon as you finished your shift you got out as quick as she could, -et you got out as quick as she could, get a _ you got out as quick as she could, get a shower and back home and have a good _ get a shower and back home and have a good drink! laughter. must have taken some shower as well! everybody just got showered everybodyjust got showered together, the same. bear in mind, you came — together, the same. bear in mind, you came out black. you know? what was the social — you came out black. you know? what was the social life _ you came out black. you know? what was the social life like _ you came out black. you know? liarisgf was the social life like with you came out black. you know? rmsgf was the social life like with all you came out black. you know? its"lsgf was the social life like with all of the other guys? the was the social life like with all of the other guys?— the other guys? the social gatherings _ the other guys? the social gatherings were _ the other guys? the social gatherings were brilliant. i the other guys? the social - gatherings were brilliant. everybody used to— gatherings were brilliant. everybody used to enjoy themselves. the thing now, used to enjoy themselves. the thing now. you _ used to enjoy themselves. the thing now, you find the working men's clubs— now, you find the working men's clubs are — now, you find the working men's clubs are all closing or have closed down _ clubs are all closing or have closed down because of the fact that mining communities have gone. so... it

down because of the fact that mining communities have gone. so...- communities have gone. so... it was the breeding — communities have gone. so... it was the breeding ground _ communities have gone. so... it was the breeding ground for _ communities have gone. so... it was the breeding ground for many - communities have gone. so... it was the breeding ground for many a - the breeding ground for many a comic, some of them were funny! yeah! yorkshire was practically the biggest _ yeah! yorkshire was practically the biggest coal field, 100,000 miners or something like that, everybody used _ or something like that, everybody used to— or something like that, everybody used to get together and go for a drink— used to get together and go for a drink on— used to get together and go for a drink on a — used to get together and go for a drink on a night and people came and played _ drink on a night and people came and played bingo or whatever they wanted to do and _ played bingo or whatever they wanted to do and everyone got on. but now, you either— to do and everyone got on. but now, you either love or to score a goal or you _ you either love or to score a goal or you hate — you either love or to score a goal or you hate him but he came out with one thing _ or you hate him but he came out with one thing which i thought was interesting. when all of the pits were _ interesting. when all of the pits were open and you had a mining community, there was no drug culture — community, there was no drug culture -- _ community, there was no drug culture. —— arthur scargill.

culture. — — arthur scargill. sociological stuff culture. —— arthur scargill. sociological stuff going on. so, sociological stuff going on. 50, such a real privilege to talk to you. what a picture you paint it. thank you. mary in bristol, wasn't he great? you have got two minutes, he great? you have got two minutes, he was great, great vacation different age. l he was great, great vacation different age.— he was great, great vacation different age. he was great, great vacation different ate. .., , ., , different age. i was brought up in the valleys _ different age. i was brought up in the valleys of _ different age. i was brought up in the valleys of south _ different age. i was brought up in the valleys of south wales, - different age. i was brought up in i the valleys of south wales, probably the valleys of south wales, probably the same age and i have horrific memories of the mines. and i remember the valleys looking nothing but pits and it's like apes, men who could hardly breathe and now the valleys are beautiful again and i would hate to see them opening up all of those mines and making those valleys look terrible again. it is all right for that gentleman to say about the wonderful social thing, yes, there was and i was brought up with the singing and it was

wonderful but my father was in a terrible pit accident, one of the only men who came out alive and he had to go and have lots of operations and he saw then no kin of his would ever go underground. and my father worked hard. to bring us out of wales although we loved it. and brought us up to be so proud to be welsh. but he just did not want any of his children or grandchildren to go underground. it makes me quite emotional to talk about it. l to go underground. it makes me quite emotional to talk about it. l to go underground. it makes me quite to go underground. it makes me quite emotional to talk about it.— emotional to talk about it. i would love to talk _ emotional to talk about it.— emotional to talk about it. i would love to talk _ emotional to talk about it. i would love to talk about _ emotional to talk about it. i would love to talk about it _ emotional to talk about it. i would love to talk about _ emotional to talk about it. i would love to talk about it _ emotional to talk about it. i would love to talk about it longer - emotional to talk about it. i would love to talk about it longer - emotional to talk about it. i would love to talk about it longer with i love to talk about it longer with you, such a beautifully made emotional to talk about it. i would love to talk about it longer with i love to talk about it longer with you, such a beautifully made contribution and thank you, very contribution and thank you, very submarine that's gone missing quite powerful. paul, thank you also thank powerful. paul, thank you also thank you for listening. see you tomorrow. you for listening. see you tomorrow. live from london, this is bbc news. live from london, this is bbc news.

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