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�* a �*a team searching for �* a team searching for a for a team searching for a submersible missing near the wreck of the titanic. the us coast guard commander leading the search and rescue effort has been speaking to this programme. we have relocated our remote operated vehicles to search the site, but at this time, i don't have any confirmation of what the noise is. president zelensky addresses world leaders about ukraine's economic future. he's also been speaking to the bbc about the counteroffensive. we will bring you both those stories. uk inflation remains higher than expected, fuelling expectations of an interest rate rise. why is uk inflation coming down more slowly than other major economies? hello, i m matthew amroliwala, welcome to verified live,
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three hours of breaking stories and checking out the truth behind them. let's turn to that massive search off the newfoundland coast for a missing submersible near the wreck of the titanic. us coastguards have confirmed that underwater noises have been detected. the sounds were picked up by a canadian aircraft. according to one report, there was a banging noise at 30 minute intervals, but searches so far have produced no results. five people are on board, three of them british. it's estimated they only have a day's supply of oxygen left. earlier i spoke to rear admiraljohn maugerfrom the us earlier i spoke to rear admiraljohn mauger from the us coast guard. earlier i spoke to rear admiraljohn maugerfrom the us coast guard. he spoke to me and our correspondent jonathan amos about the search and oxygen supplies. the? jonathan amos about the search and oxygen sunplies-_ oxygen supplies. they indicated that the have oxygen supplies. they indicated that they have an —
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oxygen supplies. they indicated that they have an emergency _ oxygen supplies. they indicated that they have an emergency life - oxygen supplies. they indicated that they have an emergency life supporti they have an emergency life support system _ they have an emergency life support system on _ they have an emergency life support system on board to provide oxygen for approximately 96 hours. i understand that that is a difficult calculation to predict because it is based _ calculation to predict because it is based on — calculation to predict because it is based on the number of occupants and their consumption. but we are looking — their consumption. but we are looking at_ their consumption. but we are looking at a period about 20 hours from _ looking at a period about 20 hours from now — looking at a period about 20 hours from now into tomorrow morning that we may— from now into tomorrow morning that we may be _ from now into tomorrow morning that we may be at the end of that 96 hour window _ we may be at the end of that 96 hour window. that said, we are continuing to put— window. that said, we are continuing to out ali— window. that said, we are continuing to put all available resources into the search — to put all available resources into the search and we will continue to prioritise — the search and we will continue to prioritise the search as we go forward _ prioritise the search as we go forward. �* , , .,, , prioritise the search as we go forward. , , ,, forward. and presumably, because time is so short, _ forward. and presumably, because time is so short, you _ forward. and presumably, because time is so short, you have - forward. and presumably, because time is so short, you have to - forward. and presumably, becausei time is so short, you have to game plan every scenario. if you find that sub in the next 20 hours, you are going to have to react to
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different situations and you need to plan for those now. if it's like this, this is how we react. if it's like that, that is how we react, so we can do things as fast as possible?— we can do things as fast as possible? we can do things as fast as ossible? ~ ., , , possible? we have experts. our unified command _ possible? we have experts. our unified command is _ possible? we have experts. our unified command is focused - possible? we have experts. our unified command is focused on | possible? we have experts. our. unified command is focused on the search _ unified command is focused on the search we — unified command is focused on the search. we have experts working those _ search. we have experts working those different scenarios, and we have _ those different scenarios, and we have mobilised gear on site. we have lift capability in the vessels that are on— lift capability in the vessels that are on site now. we have additional lift capability coming in. the navy has mobilised a submerged object recovery— has mobilised a submerged object recovery system that they have. the canadian _ recovery system that they have. the canadian armed forces have mobilised a recompression chamber with medical support _ a recompression chamber with medical sopport so _ a recompression chamber with medical support. so we are preparing for contingencies while remaining
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focused — contingencies while remaining focused on the search for the submersible and those people. rear admiral, a difficult _ submersible and those people. ite— admiral, a difficult question now. you have got so many variables. is there a chance that these sounds you have been talking about send you in the wrong direction, that it is not them, but you have pivoted the search? , , ., . , , search? this is an incredibly complex _ search? this is an incredibly complex search _ search? this is an incredibly complex search to _ search? this is an incredibly complex search to conduct. | search? this is an incredibly i complex search to conduct. we search? this is an incredibly - complex search to conduct. we are in over 3500 _ complex search to conduct. we are in over 3500 metres of water in an area that is— over 3500 metres of water in an area that is 300 _ over 3500 metres of water in an area that is 300 miles from newfoundland and 900 _ that is 300 miles from newfoundland and 900 miles from my coast in cape cod. and 900 miles from my coast in cape cod so— and 900 miles from my coast in cape cod. so there is a lot of complexity. we are trying to manage that complexity by bringing in all the data — that complexity by bringing in all the data we can. that is why we have
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p35 launching and we have a canadian coastguard _ p35 launching and we have a canadian coastguard ve55el unseen that has coa5tguard ve55el unseen that has sonar— coastguard ve55el unseen that has sonar capabilities to look at the bottom — sonar capabilities to look at the bottom a5 sonar capabilities to look at the bottom as well. we are using those capabilities to paint a picture of these _ capabilities to paint a picture of these complex conditions for the experts — these complex conditions for the experts who are executing the search — experts who are executing the search. �* . experts who are executing the search. . ., ., , , . search. and an equally difficult final question _ search. and an equally difficult final question - _ search. and an equally difficult final question - how— search. and an equally difficult final question - how optimistic| search. and an equally difficult. final question - how optimistic are final question — how optimistic are you? that final question - how optimistic are ou? �* , final question - how optimistic are ou? . , ., ., you? at this point, we have to continue _ you? at this point, we have to continue to — you? at this point, we have to continue to search _ you? at this point, we have to continue to search for - you? at this point, we have to continue to search for the - continue to search for the submersible. we talked to the families— submersible. we talked to the families last night about the work we have _ families last night about the work we have been doing. we understand how difficult this is. we understand from the _ how difficult this is. we understand from the emergency life support system — from the emergency life support system that there is a possibility, so we _ system that there is a possibility, so we are — system that there is a possibility, so we are prosecuting this to the full of— so we are prosecuting this to the full of our— so we are prosecuting this to the full of our ability, bringing as
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many— full of our ability, bringing as many assets as we can to bear on this. — many assets as we can to bear on this. we _ many assets as we can to bear on this. we were able to collect different— this. we were able to collect different information from different assets _ different information from different assets to _ different information from different assets to be prepared for contingencies.— assets to be prepared for contingencies. that was the commander _ contingencies. that was the commander of _ contingencies. that was the commander of the - contingencies. that was the commander of the us - contingencies. that was the commander of the us coasti contingencies. that was the - commander of the us coast guard. let's bring in our science correspondent again, jonathan amos, in the newsroom. a fascinating interview there, because details about the hardware being sent, details about the search area and details about the search area and details about the search area and details about oxygen supplies and his hope that it might last 20 hours, a little longer than has been publicly spoken about? yeah hours, a little longer than has been publicly spoken about?— publicly spoken about? yeah. 20 hours is not _ publicly spoken about? yeah. 20 hours is not long. _ publicly spoken about? yeah. 20 hours is not long. looking - publicly spoken about? yeah. 20 hours is not long. looking at - publicly spoken about? yeah. 20 hours is not long. looking at my| hours is not long. looking at my watch, that takes us to just before midday gmt tomorrow. so early in the morning, east coast. they are under a lot of pressure to find out where the sub is. we are hopeful that these underwater sounds they have detected will enable them to narrow
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the search for this six or seven metre long submersible with the five individuals tucked inside. we hope those signals are real and that they will enable the search forces at the surface of the ocean geolocate, to narrow down where they might be on the sea floor. this is a schematic, so it is not to scale. but consider this, the titanic on the ocean floor. the bow and stern are separated by 800 metres. they became separated by 800 metres. they became separated when they went down and there is enormous debris field around the wreck. so where is our sub? it's a big search area, as the rear admiral was explaining, very complex to find where the sub might lie, if it is indeed lying on the floor. how will they use those
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sounds? if they are for real, and they could be spurious, but maybe they could be spurious, but maybe the occupants of the sub are tapping away at time intervals and in a patterned fashion. they can use various listening devices on the surface and by timing the receipt of those tappings, they can get more of a thick somewhere that sub might lie on the sea floor. then they can send down a remotely operated vehicle to go into a search box and look for interesting targets. but as we have said, time is of the essence. and they have to game plan. they have to think about all the possible scenarios as to why that sub is in the condition it is, and come up with a solution ahead of time to
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deal with that. maybe our sub has not been able to release the weights that would normally allow it to float to the surface. can an rov go in here and cut something that will enable those weights to go down and then the sub can come back up? maybe it is stuck in some titanic wreckage. can the rov cut it free? maybe it has lost buoyancy. what can they attach to the titan submersible to help it get off the sea floor? they have to think through all of those scenarios and game plan the solutions. . , those scenarios and game plan the solutions. ., , , solutions. really interesting, thanks for — solutions. really interesting, thanks for taking _ solutions. really interesting, thanks for taking us - solutions. really interesting, thanks for taking us through | solutions. really interesting, - thanks for taking us through that. earlier i spoke to 0is n fanning, who has taken two trips on the submersible in the past. he says it was a thrilling experience and there was a lot of training beforehand.
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to get to see the titanic in the first dive i did was amazing, and then we went for another dive and found a volcanic ridge, which is ironically named after paul. so it was fantastic. we know that in terms of the basic forms you have to fill in, it warns of the risk of death. tell me about the safety procedures that happened before you went down? before the sub can even launch, you get up at four o'clock in the morning and the safety procedures are ongoing until eight o'clock or nine o'clock before you can descend into the water. we have to stop at a certain level and recheck everything again before you get to stop two, three and four. it is like a launch into outer space. it's very slow, very cautious. and then the descent is the easy bit because you descend under your own weight.
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tell me what the descent is like? it is quiet, beautiful. at 500 metres, you start getting all those luminous insects and shrimp and everything else you see on these programmes that are just flashing at you like mad, which is exhilarating, for about 500 to 1000 metres. then after three or four hours, you drift down to the sea bed and you release some weight to get a bit of buoyancy. and then finally, to return, you drop the rest of the weights and then you return under your own steam. it's a very simple vessel. there are no big engines or computers. it was kept simple so that, ironically, there would be less problems. at least three of the people on this vessel have vast
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amounts of experience. in terms of coping, what would be your assessment? they'll cope very well. in terms of paul nargeolet and stockton, paul has done about a0 dives to the titanic. they would immediately look to conserve oxygen. they would know the time frame it would take for a rescue. they would keep calm, breathe shallowly and preserve oxygen. i think they could last without oxygen for longer than people think. the initial assessment was 96 hours, which is mid afternoon tomorrow. a lot of focus today is on these noises that have been heard by one plane flying over. in terms of standard practice, if you are in these situations, what are you told about what happens around rescue? what are you supposed
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to do to alert people? nothing, is the honest answer. there's nothing you can do. in this case, i believe communications cut off. that could be a sign of something hitting the ship or breaking the antennae. that's what one would hope for. that's unusual, because there is not a lot of metal lying around on the deck of the titanic, but anything can happen and hit you or trap you. that's the best outcome, that they're stuck and once they can come back up to the surface. all the focus is on a search and rescue, but people have also been asking why people do this. you've done it — why? they have been doing this for three years. but people are missing the point here. prior to that, there were no dives
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to the titanic for 60 years. the scientific side was to find out what has happened to the titanic in the last 60 years. it wasn't like this was going to go on for ever. the estimated three years in total. and they were taking data points all the time. there are things called rusticles on the ship, as it is deteriorating. more on that in a moment. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's turn to a couple of stories making the headlines in the uk. marks & spencer, wh smith and argos are among dozens of well—known companies named forfailing to pay the minimum wage. an investigation looking at payments over the past 16 years found that almost £5 million was owed to 63,000 workers. wh smith, marks & spencer and argos said the breaches were unintentional and had already been remedied.
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a study has found that around one in five women conceive naturally after having a baby by fertility treatment such as ivf. scientists at university college london say their findings — published in thejournal human reproduction — show that natural pregnancies after ivf are not as unusual as thought. about 10,000 people have gathered to welcome the summer solstice at stonehenge on the longest day of the year. 0n the solstice, the sun rises behind the entrance to the stone circle, and rays of light are channelled into the centre of the monument. stonehenge's distinctive formation aligns to both the midsummer sunrise and the midwinter sunset. let's turn to the war in ukraine. president zelensky has urged those attending an international
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conference on rebuilding ukraine to aim for the country's transformation, not just its reconstruction. he said plans needed to include measures to tackle corruption and reform thejudiciary to make ukraine attractive for investment. growth is always based on balance. so the growth we are preparing must be preceded by confidence that what has been rebuilt will not fall. and, it is not about bricks, but life. rishi sunak and the us secretary of state antony blinken announced support for ukraine and said russia must be responsible for funding ukraine's reconstruction. it’s must be responsible for funding ukraine's reconstruction. it's clear that russia _ ukraine's reconstruction. it's clear that russia must _ ukraine's reconstruction. it's clear that russia must pay _ ukraine's reconstruction. it's clear that russia must pay for - ukraine's reconstruction. it's clear that russia must pay for the - that russia must pay for the destruction that they have inflicted. so we are working with allies to explore lawful routes to use russian assets.
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and on monday, we published a new legislation to allow us to keep sanctions in place until russia pays up. recovery is about laying the foundation for ukraine to thrive as a secure, independent country fully integrated with europe, connected to markets around the world. a democracy, rooted in the rule of law, a place where all ukrainians have dignity, human rights, the opportunity to reach their full potential. ukraine's president has done an interview about the state of the country. he admitted it was difficult to measure the success of the current counteroffensive against russia. i'd like to begin by asking you about the counter—offensive.
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how is it going? translation: not everything is easy. | there are certain difficulties because, first of all, ourland is mined. we would definitely like to make bigger steps — they are a bit smaller than we want — but nevertheless, those who fight shall win. and to those who knock, the door shall be opened. that's why, by all means, we have confidence in the success of the counter—offensive actions. well, in ukraine, your deputy defence minister, has admitted that it will be difficult to win back land in this counter—offensive. translation: n0 counter-offensive | operation can be easy. it's not easy, first of all, for those currently on the front line. last autumn we took counter—offensive actions, too, and it seemed like process was too slow. but then the moment came when everybody saw how quickly we began to advance. the same thing will happen here. i mean, russia has done everything in its power to stop this offensive. translation: every day, russia brings atrocious i tragedies to our land.
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sometimes it seems to me that they don't care in general whether it's the military or the civilian population. the fact that they are ready to commit horrors, cause great suffering and man—made disasters on a large scale, it is crystal clear. the americans have made clear how they measure the success of this — they want you to make as many gains on the battlefield so that you're in a stronger position when you get to the negotiating table. translation: for us, - it's very important to move forward because we have to motivate not only our army but also our western allies. aid can be slowed down or stepped up. to be honest, aid depends on us moving forward. a lot of things depend on that. but, for me, the most important success of our offensive lies in motivating people.
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mr president, are you feeling the pressure from your partners, that they expect results and results quickly? translation: some wanted and expected very much. - some want some sort of a hollywood movie, but things don't really happen that way. the americans say that they will stay with ukraine till the very end. do you believe them? translation: is there any other option? - we believe them because, on the one hand, they are our partners. 0n the other hand, we need to understand that we have to count on ourselves. well, let's just look at some of the things you need. the f—i6s, for example — the us officials are now saying it could take months for ukraine to get those f—i6s. translation: there are certain bureaucratic things that i, - unfortunately, can't and am not willing to understand because we are at war and we need to get things done quickly.
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the price is time. time means lives. i believe that we will start the training period this summer, as well. we will certainly continue to put pressure to bring the dates forward, but i believe it can be august. after this training begins, we want to believe that in six or seven months we'll have our first planes. mr president, i also want your reaction to the ukraine recovery conference in the uk. just your message to that conference. translation: huge thanks to the prime minister, - to the government, to the businesses of the uk and all the people for their support. part of such support are just saying not to recovery, but transformation of ukraine, and therefore anti—corruption reform — which is very important — to work on judiciary reform, to work with our partners to make ukraine attractive for investment after the war. that's what we need. ukraine will be different, transformed. the only thing that will not change is the
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strength of our people. my wide—ranging interview with president volodymyr zelensky lasted for about 45 minutes with him in the ukrainian capital of kyiv and me here in london. we talked about the country's counteroffensive. he said some people view it as a hollywood movie, it is not. there are lives at stake. he also explained his frustration about his country's path to nato membership. join us on bbc news for the full interview at 1600 gmt and 1730 gmt. straight to breaking news from paris in the last few moments. we are hearing of an explosion that has occurred in paris, resulting in several buildings catching fire. that has come from local city officials talking about a gas explosion, but the police department say they are making checks on the
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incident. we know a number of buildings are on fire. we are expecting pictures, but the firs detail is coming to us from officials in the french capital of a gas explosion occurring, with several buildings catching fire. when there is more, we will return to it. i want to return now to the search for that submersible going on, that story dominating our news. let's speak to the professor of marine autonomy, blair thornton at the university of southampton. let me start with the noises that everyone has focused on the day. what do you make of that? based on what we have — what do you make of that? based on what we have seen _ what do you make of that? based on what we have seen in _ what do you make of that? based on what we have seen in the _ what do you make of that? based on what we have seen in the media, - what do you make of that? based on what we have seen in the media, it l what we have seen in the media, it does sound like these noises are possibly coming from the submersible vehicle, which massively narrows down the space that would need to be searched. ladle down the space that would need to be searched. ~ ., ., ., searched. we heard from the man leadin: searched. we heard from the man leading the _ searched. we heard from the man leading the operation _ searched. we heard from the man leading the operation about - searched. we heard from the man leading the operation about the i leading the operation about the
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hardware heading there. you are an expert in this area. give us an idea of the sort of robotics and what can that deliver once it is in place? the types of vehicles that are going to the location are remotely operated vehicles. these will be connected to ships via tethers. they will have high—resolution cameras, lights, powerful manipulators and many of them will be equipped with sonar. so these are flexible platforms that can deal with complex situations. but one of the limitations is that move very slowly, around the speed a human would walk. so it really is about narrowing down the space that these systems need to search to find the submersible. bud systems need to search to find the submersible-— submersible. and in terms of the de th and submersible. and in terms of the depth and navigating, _ submersible. and in terms of the depth and navigating, tell - submersible. and in terms of the depth and navigating, tell me - submersible. and in terms of the i depth and navigating, tell me about that. ., ., ., that. the location of the submersible _ that. the location of the submersible is - that. the location of the submersible is likely - that. the location of the submersible is likely to | that. the location of the l submersible is likely to be that. the location of the _ submersible is likely to be narrowed down to about a one kilometre region ijy down to about a one kilometre region by the sonar buoys. the location of
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the rovs can use their own instruments, so we have to narrow down whether submersible is likely to be. �* �* . down whether submersible is likely tobe. , ., ., to be. and blair, sorry we have to leave it there. _ to be. and blair, sorry we have to leave it there. things _ to be. and blair, sorry we have to leave it there. things are - leave it there. things are incredibly busy. just to update our audience, there are those reports out of paris about that explosion. it is said to be a gas explosion but a number of buildings are on fire, with people being told to stay away from that area. we are expecting pictures. when we get them, we will bring you any more information. i am back with more of the day's headlines in a moment. don't go away. good afternoon. today is the 21st, summer solstice. it's when daylight hours
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seem to go on forever. and if we take a look at this chart, they're pretty impressive. many of us seeing sunrise just before 5:00 and not setting until after 9:30, 10:00. so, most of us will see 17 hours of daylight today. enjoy, if you can. we've got some showers around, most frequent and widespread the further north and west in scotland and northern ireland, but some through wales and south west close to glastonbury as well. and these are likely to threaten on and off throughout the afternoon. some places will stay dry and if you've got that sunshine, you've also got that warmth once again, with temperatures peaking at 25 degrees, 77 fahrenheit. now, through the night, those temperatures will fall away. not going to be quite as humid as the nightjust past. so thursday morning, we start off in single figures in scotland, around 13 or 1a degrees for england and wales. there'll be a lot of dry weather around first thing in the morning and then the risk of some showers
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but in a different place, perhaps across northeast england, down towards east anglia and the east midlands. some of those showers could be heavy and thundery. if you dodge them, we could see a warmer day, 27 degrees. that's up to 80 fahrenheit. that bodes well if you're putting up the tent at glastonbury on thursday. lots of sunshine around, increasing humidity as we go through the weekend, risk maybe of a shower on sunday. but it's a pretty promising forecast and that's because we've got this high pressure down to the south. now, weatherfronts are trying to topple across that high. so at times, they will bring outbreaks of rain across the far north and west. so, on friday we might see cloudier conditions gradually developing down through england and wales, perhaps the best of the sunshine in south east england. but some of this rain a little bit further north and west could be heavy. so a little bit fresher, low 20s as a maximum here, 25 degrees in the southeast corner. we keep that heat and humidity because we've got this high pressure dragging in the south—westerly flow, but low pressure never too far away. so, if we put the weather fronts on, you can see there's always the risk
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