tv Newsnight BBC News June 21, 2023 10:30pm-11:10pm BST
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shower at trent bridge tomorrow. at wick today, we saw 58 millimetres of rain, more than the town would normally see in the whole ofjune. but the showers have been fading away in the last few hours, and it is now looking largely dry with this area of high pressure building its way in. i say largely dry, it is not going to be completely dry, still one or two showers. those showers p°ppin9 one or two showers. those showers p°pping up one or two showers. those showers popping up through the day particularly in parts of england and wales, and where you do catch one, the showers could be with you for quite some time, but lots of places will stay dry, and for much of scotland it should be a drier day thanit scotland it should be a drier day than it was today. higher temperatures down towards the south—east, 28 degrees, so warmer thanit south—east, 28 degrees, so warmer than it was today, and an increasingly warm feel, more cloud
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towards the west, and some sunshine holding on towards the south—east corner, but an increasingly muggy, humid feel by day and by night as we head into the start of the weekend. saturday could see temperatures up to 28 or 29 degrees down towards the south, but at some point on sunday, this cold front is set to sweep its way southwards and eastwards, and that will change things and bring heavy, thundery rain. to sum up for the weekend, saturday, a lot of dry weather around, the weekend, saturday, a lot of dry weatheraround, real the weekend, saturday, a lot of dry weather around, real warmth and humidity, and then things will start to turn cooler and fresher. thanks, ben. and that's bbc news at ten on wednesday the 21st ofjune. for 13th time since 2021, after figures showed may's inflation was no lower than april's.
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why does the uk have worse core inflation than every other g7 country? there are fears rising interest rates could mean a million mortgage holders could see disposable incomes fall by more than 20%. we'll talk to two people facing painful choices in the face of their mortgage rises, along with the shadow treasury minister. also tonight, the five men on board the missing sub are thought to have to have enough oxygen to last until tomorrow. a glimmer of hope was raised over multiple underwater noises which have continued today. we'll speak to ex—us navy diver
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captain bobbie scholley. all full of hope for the future so let's make them very welcome as they begin their new life over here. tomorrow marks 75 years since hmt empire windrush docked in the uk. now a lawyer representing victims of the windrush scandal says the home office should be stripped of its role administering the compensation scheme. we are still pretty much where we were at the beginning suggests that something is structurally wrong in that department and so i do think now the time has come for somebody else to look at this. we'll talk to glenda caesar, who was told she wasn't british, despite living here for 60 years, and historian and writer david olusoga. there's nothing good about today's inflation figures. prices rose 8.7% in the year to may — that's the same rate of increase as in april, and, for the third month in a row, worse than expected. and taking out energy and food costs, over which we have less control, core inflation has gone up to 7.1% —
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its highest rate in 30 years. it means there will almost certainly be another interest rate rise from the bank of england's monetary policy committee tomorrow to try and dampen down the economy. in fact, one of the chancellor's economic advisors suggested the bank might have to spark a recession to get inflation under control, inflicting more pain on many. but the uk is an outlier. compared to other rich nations, our inflation is worse, and our core inflation is going in totally the wrong direction. why? here's ben. the latest uk inflation data is bad, you'll have probably heard that by now. but we want to investigate the underlying reasons inflation is proving so painfully sticky here. and to do that by looking through an international perspective. so let's use newsnight�*s global tracker lens. uk headline inflation was 8.7% in may. as you can see, that's quite a bit worse than every other country in the g7. but its core inflation that central
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bankers, like the bank of england, really care about. that's inflation stripping out volatile elements like food and fuel, because this shows the underlying inflationary pressure. so how does the uk compare there? well, core uk inflation rose again, to 7.1% in may. also much worse than the rest of the g7 and heading in the wrong direction. why does the uk have worse headline inflation? economists say it's mainly due to the design of the uk official energy market support here. the price cap means a delay in inflation coming down relative to elsewhere, as wholesale gas prices come down. but why do we have worse core inflation? candidates identified by economists include a bigger hit to the labour force from covid than elsewhere, a more overstretched uk health system at the moment than in other countries and brexit trade frictions. uk inflation is worse than our european and us
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counterparts because, like the us, we have a tight labour market which is affecting wages and that's affecting inflation. and like europe, we are more affected by the energy and food price rises that we've seen in europe. the supply side of the economy is weak because of brexit and loss of our largest trading partner. that does lower down the supply side of the economy. but what about the bank of england? was the bank and its governor, andrew bailey, too late to raise rates? here's when the bank, the light blue line started raising interest rates, december 2021. as you can see, it started before its us counterpart, the red line, or the european central bank — the dark blue line. but some do still argue that the bank should have started earlier and done more. when the bank began hiking rates, uk inflation was the second highest in the g7 and rising quickly.
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finally, what about the government's pledge to halve inflation this year? getting to below here? when the prime minister set that pledge at the start of the year it looked like it was going to be comfortable, as you can see from the office of budget responsibility�*s march forecast — the yellow line. but look at the outturn — the red line. will it hit the target? it's going to be tight. so, stubborn uk inflation is going to be painfulfor everyone, the government, the overall economy but most of all for uk households. the non—partisan institute for fiscal studies said today high borrowing costs was "unquestionably going to cause serious difficulty for many families". let's talk now to charlotte towne, from surrey, who lives with her husband and daughter. they are high earners. theirfixed rate mortgage is due to expire early next year. based on the current rates being offered, it will increase by over £1000 every month. madalyn bielfeld from borehamwood
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has a current mortage deal of 1.94%. it's going to go up to 4% which means they will have to find an extra £400 every month. welcome to both of you and thank you for talking to us. what are the kind of thing is you and your husband are considering doing to deal with this? we are not ruling anything out at this stage. we are doing all the things we are supposed to be doing, cutting back on expenses, preparing for the inevitable increase to come through. we are doing everything we are supposed to be doing at this stage. are supposed to be doing at this staue. ~ , ., are supposed to be doing at this staae.~ ., ., stage. when you say you are not rulin: stage. when you say you are not ruling anything _ stage. when you say you are not ruling anything out, _ stage. when you say you are not ruling anything out, that - stage. when you say you are not ruling anything out, that means| ruling anything out, that means looking at reducing your child to care for your little girl's nursery but what about potentially moving? it is tricky point of the child care costis it is tricky point of the child care cost is the single biggest cost outside of the mortgage. 0urs cost is the single biggest cost outside of the mortgage. ours is one of the cheapest in the area. she only start next month and we're
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already talking about potentially having to reduce or withdraw but it is £1800 a month which is a significant burden. so is £1800 a month which is a significant burden.- is £1800 a month which is a significant burden. so you could take her out _ significant burden. so you could take her out of— significant burden. so you could take her out of nursery - significant burden. so you could take her out of nursery for - significant burden. so you could take her out of nursery for a - significant burden. so you could . take her out of nursery for a couple of days to go to a childminder because it's cheaper?- because it's cheaper? slightly chea er because it's cheaper? slightly cheaper but — because it's cheaper? slightly cheaper but not _ because it's cheaper? slightly cheaper but not by _ because it's cheaper? slightly cheaper but not by as - because it's cheaper? slightly cheaper but not by as much . because it's cheaper? slightly| cheaper but not by as much as because it's cheaper? slightly - cheaper but not by as much as you would think actually. but we would have to make something work because i can't afford to not be working. to cover the bills. so that is one of the things we are considering. in terms of selling the house, that would be an absolute last resort. we don't have 25% equity in our property so things like going on interest rate only mortgages is not an option to us. renting out the property unfortunately it's also not an option to us. and one earth is going to buy property in this market? most people are sitting tight and waiting for the rates to go down. so we are pretty stuck and i think that is the primary
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challenge we are going to be facing. madalyn, how is the prospect of your mortgage going up by £400 a month affecting you? it is mortgage going up by £400 a month affecting you?— affecting you? it is worrying me. i had ruite affecting you? it is worrying me. i had quite a _ affecting you? it is worrying me. i had quite a sleepless _ affecting you? it is worrying me. i had quite a sleepless night - affecting you? it is worrying me. i had quite a sleepless night last i had quite a sleepless night last night, — had quite a sleepless night last night, it— had quite a sleepless night last night, it is keeping me up. the increase — night, it is keeping me up. the increase is_ night, it is keeping me up. the increase is actually going to be 4.49, _ increase is actually going to be 4.49, which luckily we agreed just a few months— 4.49, which luckily we agreed just a few months ago when we knew it was coming _ few months ago when we knew it was coming to— few months ago when we knew it was coming to an end conduct so i am pleased _ coming to an end conduct so i am pleased because i think it could have _ pleased because i think it could have been a lot higher. but it is a real worry— have been a lot higher. but it is a real worry and things are already very tight — real worry and things are already very tight. i real worry and things are already ve tirht. , ., . ., ., very tight. i understand. who do you think is responsible? _ very tight. i understand. who do you think is responsible? well, - very tight. i understand. who do you think is responsible? well, this - think is responsible? well, this started, think is responsible? well, this started. a _ think is responsible? well, this started, a lot _ think is responsible? well, this started, a lot of _ think is responsible? well, this started, a lot of people - think is responsible? well, this - started, a lot of people responsible but liz _
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started, a lot of people responsible but liz truss's budget that made everything go pow, that was a big catalyst _ everything go pow, that was a big catalyst really. and that is where it has _ catalyst really. and that is where it has put — catalyst really. and that is where it has put us in this position and since _ it has put us in this position and since then, _ it has put us in this position and since then, from that day, things have _ since then, from that day, things have not— since then, from that day, things have not got much better really. let me ask have not got much better really. me ask you have not got much better really. let me ask you that question, charlotte, who do you think is responsible? a, who do you think is responsible? combination of factors. i do think the mini budget did not help but i also think that the war in ukraine is not helping. the banks, frankly, i think need to review what they are doing. and my personal circumstances, the interest, and i suppose the capital, over the entire duration of the mortgage equates to £1.73 duration of the mortgage equates to £i.3 million which is an eye watering sum of money to pay back for a property which is currently valued at £600,000. do the interest
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rates need to be so high and do my savour�*s rates need to be so low? i think there are serious questions that need to be asked and if i was the government i would be looking into what we can do about it —— saver�*s rates. into what we can do about it -- saver's rates.— into what we can do about it -- saver's rates. muddling, do you think the banks _ saver's rates. muddling, do you think the banks should - saver's rates. muddling, do you think the banks should step - saver's rates. muddling, do you think the banks should step in, | saver's rates. muddling, do you i think the banks should step in, the government? 0r neither —— madalyn. is this the risk you take when you take out a mortgage? i is this the risk you take when you take out a mortgage?— take out a mortgage? i feel the government _ take out a mortgage? i feel the government should _ take out a mortgage? i feel the government should be - take out a mortgage? i feel the government should be doing i take out a mortgage? i feel the government should be doing al take out a mortgage? i feel the l government should be doing a lot more _ government should be doing a lot more than — government should be doing a lot more than they have been doing. like what? in more than they have been doing. like what? in terms _ more than they have been doing. like what? in terms of— more than they have been doing. like what? in terms of help _ more than they have been doing. like what? in terms of help but _ more than they have been doing. like what? in terms of help but in - more than they have been doing. like what? in terms of help but in terms l what? in terms of help but in terms of even recognising _ what? in terms of help but in terms of even recognising them _ what? in terms of help but in terms of even recognising them i - what? in terms of help but in terms of even recognising them i feel - what? in terms of help but in termsj of even recognising them i feel they have been— of even recognising them i feel they have been asleep for the past six months _ have been asleep for the past six months while this has been snowballing. i haven't seen anything constructive really happening so i feel there — constructive really happening so i feel there should be a lot more done _ feel there should be a lot more
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done. , , ,, .,~ feel there should be a lot more done. , , ,, ., done. sorry, rishi sunak has said on one of his missions _ done. sorry, rishi sunak has said on one of his missions is _ done. sorry, rishi sunak has said on one of his missions is to _ done. sorry, rishi sunak has said on one of his missions is to half - one of his missions is to half inflation by the end of the year, even he has no control over it and in speech tomorrow he will say he feels he has a deep moral responsibility to half it by the end of the year. responsibility to half it by the end of the year-— responsibility to half it by the end of the year. they are 'ust words, i would like — of the year. they are 'ust words, i would like to h of the year. they are 'ust words, i would like to see — of the year. they are just words, i would like to see some _ of the year. they are just words, i would like to see some action. - of the year. they are just words, i would like to see some action. i i would like to see some action. i feel it _ would like to see some action. i feel it is — would like to see some action. i feel it is quite empty so when i hear— feel it is quite empty so when i hear sentences like that, it doesn't fill me _ hear sentences like that, it doesn't fill me with — hear sentences like that, it doesn't fill me with any... theyjust feel like empty— fill me with any... theyjust feel like empty words at the moment and i'm like empty words at the moment and i'm sure _ like empty words at the moment and i'm sure they would like to do a lot of things— i'm sure they would like to do a lot of things but i'd like to see them actually— of things but i'd like to see them actually focus and to actually see what _ actually focus and to actually see what they — actually focus and to actually see what they can do.— actually focus and to actually see what they can do. thank you very much, madalyn, _ what they can do. thank you very much, madalyn, and _ what they can do. thank you very much, madalyn, and charlotte, l what they can do. thank you very - much, madalyn, and charlotte, thank you for coming in. we asked the government for an interview tonight, we asked all the conservative mps on the treasury select committee and over a dozen other tory mps. they said no or didn't come back to us. what would labour do?
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let's talk to the shadow treasury minister abena 0ppong—asare. thank you for being here. nobody wants it but do we need a recession to sort inflation out? i wants it but do we need a recession to sort inflation out?— to sort inflation out? i think firstl , to sort inflation out? i think firstly. i _ to sort inflation out? i think firstly, i want _ to sort inflation out? i think firstly, i want to _ to sort inflation out? i think firstly, i want to say - to sort inflation out? i think firstly, i want to say what i to sort inflation out? i think i firstly, i want to say what i've heard from madalyn and charlotte is extremely concerning and i know a lot of individuals tonight will be going to sleep really worried about their mortgages and losing their properties. as they mentioned, there are a number of factors that have put us in this situation which is obviously liz truss's budget... although interest rates were rising before that. but although interest rates were rising before that. �* ., ., , before that. but that did not help the situation, _ before that. but that did not help the situation, if _ before that. but that did not help the situation, if i'm _ before that. but that did not help the situation, if i'm completely . the situation, if i'm completely honest, and there has been a lack of action from the government on this. tonight labour has been swiftly working on some recommendations and plans that we would like the government to take forward which we think would help individuals like charlotte and madalyn. for example,
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instructing the fca to look at how they can support people. for example, delaying waiting six months before carrying out repossessions on individuals who have not been able to keep up with their mortgages. looking at how consumer advice to be given to individuals so they can properly know what projects are out there that can help them. but properly know what projects are out there that can help them.— there that can help them. but that is not going _ there that can help them. but that is not going help _ there that can help them. but that is not going help madalyn - there that can help them. but that is not going help madalyn pay - there that can help them. but that is not going help madalyn pay an l is not going help madalyn pay an extra £400 a month. i is not going help madalyn pay an extra £400 a month.— extra £400 a month. i haven't actually finished. _ extra £400 a month. i haven't actually finished. so _ extra £400 a month. i haven't actually finished. so what - extra £400 a month. i haven't actually finished. so what are | extra £400 a month. i haven't i actually finished. so what are you suggesting? _ actually finished. so what are you suggesting? we _ actually finished. so what are you suggesting? we are _ actually finished. so what are you suggesting? we are also - actually finished. so what are you i suggesting? we are also proposing lookin: at suggesting? we are also proposing looking at how _ suggesting? we are also proposing looking at how mortgage _ suggesting? we are also proposing looking at how mortgage could - suggesting? we are also proposing looking at how mortgage could be. looking at how mortgage could be lengthened as well so people are able to stay on their products for a bit longer. and also looking at borrowers essentially looking at lenders making sure they have interest—free mortgage properties,
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these are things we think the government should be looking at. most importantly, we do think the government should be working with the fca to provide some sort of solution because tomorrow it is forecast that interest rates are going to go up. let forecast that interest rates are going to go up-_ forecast that interest rates are going to go up. forecast that interest rates are iii-ointoou, , going to go up. let me ask you this, some conservative _ going to go up. let me ask you this, some conservative mps _ going to go up. let me ask you this, some conservative mps like - going to go up. let me ask you this, some conservative mps like jake - some conservative mps like jake berry and jonathan gullis, who is in a red will situate the instant, are calling on the government for some sort of bailout for people but is that what labour would do if you were in government? i that what labour would do if you were in government?— that what labour would do if you were in government? i have said we have ut were in government? i have said we have put forward — were in government? i have said we have put forward a _ were in government? i have said we have put forward a proposal - were in government? i have said we have put forward a proposal of - were in government? i have said we have put forward a proposal of a - have put forward a proposal of a planned... 50 have put forward a proposal of a planned- - -_ have put forward a proposal of a planned. . ._ the i have put forward a proposal of a i planned. . ._ the plan planned... so no bailout? the plan we have put— planned... so no bailout? the plan we have put forward _ planned... so no bailout? the plan we have put forward will— planned... so no bailout? the plan we have put forward will tell - planned... so no bailout? the plan| we have put forward will tell people a lot better to help people a lot better and i suggest individuals are looking at the next few days, urge the government to look into this because we are currently having conversations with lenders to see what packages could be put out to support people in a better way. ben earlier showed that amongst other reasons, brexit frictions are partially to blame for inflation.
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labour, keir starmer has ruled out joining the single market and customs union if you win the next election. we know the political and democratic arguments for that. people voted for brexit but what is the economic argument? the reality is we need to acknowledge how we are in this situation. we have had 13 years of a tory government where we have seen low growth. we have seen low growth. you had the keir starmer announced certain things to get the economy going. things like energy security, which charlotte mentioned, for example. we have seen dictators like putin dominating our energy system. the question was, what is the economic argument for not rejoining the single market of the customs union? . , the single market of the customs union? ., , ., ., , , union? that is not a simple fact that he sought _ union? that is not a simple fact that he sought the _ union? that is not a simple fact that he sought the issues - union? that is not a simple fact that he sought the issues are. i union? that is not a simple fact - that he sought the issues are. there needs to be a long—term plan, which is energy security, also get the economy growing. taste is energy security, also get the economy growing.—
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is energy security, also get the economy growing. is energy security, also get the econom rrrowin. ~ ., ., ~ economy growing. we would also like to net the economy growing. we would also like to get the economy _ economy growing. we would also like to get the economy growing, - economy growing. we would also like to get the economy growing, it - economy growing. we would also like to get the economy growing, it is - to get the economy growing, it is easy to say the words, what is the economic argument for not rejoining the single... economic argument for not re'oining the single. . .— the single... that is 'ust low growth... * the single... that is 'ust low growth... weaver _ the single... that isjust low growth... weaver types -- l the single... that isjust low i growth... weaver types -- we the single... that isjust low - growth... weaver types -- we would have plenty — growth. .. weaver types -- we would have plenty of— growth... weaver types -- we would have plenty of workers _ growth... weaver types -- we would have plenty of workers to _ growth... weaver types -- we would have plenty of workers to fill - growth... weaver types -- we would have plenty of workers to fill the - have plenty of workers to fill the jobs, that is one of the issues. there are a number of platters, our plan would help people urgently now on a temporary basis. get them out of that situation. we have been providing solution, where are the government tonight? they are not here. why aren't they here? thank ou for here. why aren't they here? thank you for being _ here. why aren't they here? thank you for being with _ here. why aren't they here? thank you for being with us. _ "we have to remain optimistic and hopeful" — the message from the search and rescue team hunting for the missing sub with five men on board. it's thought they have enough oxgen to last until tomorrow. the world is waiting for any update on the hunt for the vessel and we now know that the noises heard underwater continued this morning. the search and rescue mission
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is complex and involves experts and equipment from multiple countries. this is what captainjamie frederick from the us coastguard had to say about the noises. with respect to the noises specifically, we don't know what they are, to be frank with you. the p3 detected noises, that's why they're up there, that's why they're doing what they're doing, that's why they put sonar buoys in the water. the good news is, what i can tell you is we're searching in the area where the noises were detected, and we'll continue to do so. and we hope that when we are able to get additional rovs, which will be there in the morning, the intent will be to continue to search in those areas where the noises were detected and if they're continuing to be detected and then put additional rovs down in the last known position where the search was originally taking place. i'm joined now by captain bobbie scholley a former us navy diver. thank you very much for talking to us. you have been involved in a number of search and rescue missions. i wonder what hope you think there is of finding this soap?
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they will take all the data... i am ttoin to they will take all the data... i am going to pause. _ they will take all the data... i am going to pause, the _ they will take all the data... i am going to pause, the line - they will take all the data... i am going to pause, the line is - they will take all the data... i am going to pause, the line is so bad, we cannot make out what you are saying so we will sort out the technicals and we will come back to you. i thank you for your patience. sorry about that. tomorrow will mark 75 years since the hmt empire windrush docked in the uk carrying hundreds of passengers from the carribean to fill labour shortages. hundreds of thousands more commonwealth citizens came in the 25 years that followed. but poor record keeping by the home office meant it's esimated tens of thousands were unable to prove they were in the country legally — and were prevented from accessing health care, work and housing.
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dozens were wrongly deported. one of the leading lawyers representing windrush victims has criticised the home office for not making more progress since the scandal broke — and is calling for another body to take over. but some have concerns that doing so could significantly delay making payments. 0n the eve of this special anniversary — anna has been speaking to one family affected. icame i came here in 1961 from india. i left school at 16 and i got a job as an apprentice mechanic. everything was fine, i got a national insurance number, went to live, paid my taxes, until i applied for a passport. those are the words of geoff thomas, read by his widow, sandy. at the age of ten, jeff moved from a commonwealth country to the uk and as a result of the immigration act
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1971, he had the right to live and work here indefinitely. when he applied for british citizenship as an adult, the home office repeatedly stated there was no work of him. jeff and sandy spent most of their 50 year marriage haunted by the possibility of his deportation. like m father possibility of his deportation. like my father and _ possibility of his deportation. i he: my father and my family, those people came here to rebuild this country and to be treated like this is atrocious. you treat an animal better. yeah, you lived it, but you didn't really talk about it, you know. you just got on with it. just all his national insurance, his taxes. sandy showed page _ national insurance, his taxes. sandy showed page after— national insurance, his taxes. sandy showed page after page _ national insurance, his taxes. sandy showed page after page of - national insurance, his taxes. sandy showed page after page of proof of geoff's life in the uk.— geoff's life in the uk. none of this stuff was good _ geoff's life in the uk. none of this stuff was good enough _ geoff's life in the uk. none of this stuff was good enough for - geoff's life in the uk. none of this stuff was good enough for them. i geoff's life in the uk. none of this i stuff was good enough for them. but within months of applying to the windrush scheme in 2018, jeff's
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british citizenship was confirmed. jeff actually got a passport. there it is. very proud of that. jeii it is. very proud of that. jeff a- lied it is. very proud of that. jeff applied for— it is. very proud of that. jeff applied for the _ it is. very proud of that. jeff applied for the windrush compensation scheme and was offered £10,000 last september. for compensation scheme and was offered £10,000 last september.— £10,000 last september. forjeff. actuall , £10,000 last september. forjeff. actually. he _ £10,000 last september. forjeff. actually. he got — £10,000 last september. forjeff. actually, he got an _ £10,000 last september. forjeff. actually, he got an interim - £10,000 last september. forjeff. i actually, he got an interim payment but he got it two days before he died. so he didn't get to spend it. i did use the money to pay for his funeral. so i am gratefulfor that, but still very sad. this funeral. so i am grateful for that, but still very sad.— but still very sad. this is one of many events — but still very sad. this is one of many events marking _ but still very sad. this is one of many events marking 75 - but still very sad. this is one of many events marking 75 years. but still very sad. this is one of - many events marking 75 years since hundreds of people came to the uk from the caribbean aboard the empire windrush. the reeds were laid at an
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african war memorial in brixton. hundreds of thousands across the commonwealth would follow and would be entitled to stay, but in 2018 it emerged the government had not properly recorded some of their details and at least 83 were deported. this is a time to pay tribute to the commonwealth citizens who came to the uk to rebuild the uk's economy after world war ii. they worked in our public services, hospitals, the military. it is also a time to remember how the windrush generation have been treated. even the home office call it a scandal. in may 1948, the empire windrush set sailfrom the caribbean in may 1948, the empire windrush set sail from the caribbean for britain. in 2021, the home of dated 23 windrush victims had died while waiting for compensation. among them, ex waiting for compensation. among them. ex raf _ waiting for compensation. among them, ex raf serviceman. - waiting for compensation. among - them, ex raf serviceman. jacqueline mckenzie is — them, ex raf serviceman. jacqueline mckenzie is one _ them, ex raf serviceman. jacqueline mckenzie is one of _ them, ex raf serviceman. jacqueline mckenzie is one of the _ them, ex raf serviceman. jacqueline mckenzie is one of the leading - mckenzie is one of the leading windrush lawyers and believes the number is higher. the windrush lawyers and believes the number is higher.— windrush lawyers and believes the number is higher. the scandal does
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actually affect _ number is higher. the scandal does actually affect people _ number is higher. the scandal does actually affect people across - actually affect people across the commonwealth. i have had white canadian — commonwealth. i have had white canadian clients, white new zealanders, people from india, pakistan. — zealanders, people from india, pakistan, bangladesh. lots of west africans— pakistan, bangladesh. lots of west africans and my biggest group are caribbean— africans and my biggest group are caribbean is, but it is not an exclusively caribbean issue. the government _ exclusively caribbean issue. iie: government says it has paid or offered more than £72 million worth offered more than £72 million worth of compensation. how would you describe the progress that is being made? .. describe the progress that is being made? ., ., , �* ., , made? that figure doesn't really ex-lain made? that figure doesn't really explain much — made? that figure doesn't really explain much to _ made? that figure doesn't really explain much to us. _ made? that figure doesn't really explain much to us. what - made? that figure doesn't really explain much to us. what we - made? that figure doesn't really i explain much to us. what we really want _ explain much to us. what we really want to— explain much to us. what we really want to understand is why have only 1600 people had anything? that is very figure. i think four years after— very figure. i think four years after the _ very figure. i think four years after the compensation scheme was launched. _ after the compensation scheme was launched, five years after the scandal— launched, five years after the scandal came into the public consciousness, we are still pretty much _ consciousness, we are still pretty much where we were at the beginning, suggest _ much where we were at the beginning, suggest they are not able and there are some _ suggest they are not able and there are some wonderful people we work with who _ are some wonderful people we work with who work in the home office but something _ with who work in the home office but something is structurally wrong in that department. sol
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something is structurally wrong in that department. so i think the time has come _ that department. so i think the time has come for somebody else to look at this _ has come for somebody else to look at this. .. has come for somebody else to look at this. ., _, . , ., at this. there are concerns that movint at this. there are concerns that moving the _ at this. there are concerns that moving the operation _ at this. there are concerns that moving the operation away - at this. there are concerns that l moving the operation away from at this. there are concerns that - moving the operation away from the home office could risk delaying payments. the home office told us it is making improvements so people receive the maximum award as quickly as possible. the former head of the uk border ford says he's hopeful lessons have been learned. {th uk border ford says he's hopeful lessons have been learned. of course it has affected — lessons have been learned. of course it has affected them _ lessons have been learned. of course it has affected them deeply _ lessons have been learned. of course it has affected them deeply in - lessons have been learned. of course it has affected them deeply in the - it has affected them deeply in the department _ it has affected them deeply in the department i— it has affected them deeply in the department. i know— it has affected them deeply in the department. i know there - it has affected them deeply in the department. i know there are - department. i know there are significant numbers— department. i know there are significant numbers of- department. i know there are i significant numbers of measures department. i know there are - significant numbers of measures that have been— significant numbers of measures that have been taken— significant numbers of measures that have been taken to _ significant numbers of measures that have been taken to address - significant numbers of measures that have been taken to address the - significant numbers of measures thatj have been taken to address the issue of this— have been taken to address the issue of this never— have been taken to address the issue of this never happening _ have been taken to address the issue of this never happening again. - have been taken to address the issue of this never happening again. but. of this never happening again. but we still— of this never happening again. but we still don't — of this never happening again. but we still don't actually _ of this never happening again. but we still don't actually have - of this never happening again. but we still don't actually have an - we still don't actually have an identity— we still don't actually have an identity management- we still don't actually have an. identity management strategy. we still don't actually have an - identity management strategy. we need to— identity management strategy. we need to be — identity management strategy. we need to be really, _ identity management strategy. we need to be really, really— identity management strategy. we need to be really, really careful. need to be really, really careful when _ need to be really, really careful when we — need to be really, really careful when we are _ need to be really, really careful when we are considering - need to be really, really careful. when we are considering measures about— when we are considering measures about how— when we are considering measures about how we're _ when we are considering measures about how we're going _ when we are considering measures about how we're going to - when we are considering measures about how we're going to deal- when we are considering measures about how we're going to deal with people _ about how we're going to deal with people in— about how we're going to deal with people in the — about how we're going to deal with people in the community _ about how we're going to deal with people in the community where . about how we're going to deal withj people in the community where we find people — people in the community where we find people haven't _ people in the community where we find people haven't got _ people in the community where we find people haven't got documentsj find people haven't got documents and not _ find people haven't got documents and not assume _ find people haven't got documents and not assume that _ find people haven't got documents and not assume that simply- find people haven't got documents i and not assume that simply because they don't— and not assume that simply because they don't have _ and not assume that simply because they don't have a _ and not assume that simply because they don't have a document - and not assume that simply because they don't have a document they - and not assume that simply because they don't have a document they are working _ they don't have a document they are working all— they don't have a document they are working all staying _ they don't have a document they are working all staying illegally. - they don't have a document they are working all staying illegally. for- working all staying illegally. for sand , working all staying illegally. for sandy. the _ working all staying illegally. sandy, the trauma of losing working all staying illegallym sandy, the trauma of losing her lifelong partner has been compounded
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by how britain treated him and her heartbreaks to note that he is not an isolated case. we heartbreaks to note that he is not an isolated case.— an isolated case. we ran out of time. i an isolated case. we ran out of time- ldon't— an isolated case. we ran out of time. i don't want _ an isolated case. we ran out of time. i don't want that - an isolated case. we ran out of time. i don't want that to - an isolated case. we ran out of l time. i don't want that to happen an isolated case. we ran out of - time. i don't want that to happen to anybody else. i want the home office to look at these cases and acknowledge them. these are people and we matter. the home office have told us tonight the figure paid or offered to windrush claimants is now £75 million. in a statement, the home secretary, suella braverman, told us the government were making improvements so the people receive the maximum award as quicky as possible, but that the government recognised there was more work to do. let's speak now to david olusoga, professor of public history at the university of manchester, and glenda caesar who in the 19605 came to the uk with her parents, when she was just three months old. welcome to both of you. glenda, how to respond to the fact thatjeff received his payment two days he died? , , ., ,
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received his payment two days he died? ,, ., , died? this is what is happening. the are died? this is what is happening. they are taking _ died? this is what is happening. they are taking too _ died? this is what is happening. they are taking too long, - died? this is what is happening. they are taking too long, the i they are taking too long, the process is too long and people are dying. and we're five years and they knew the beginning. where the changes are being made on the scheme, it'sjust not changes are being made on the scheme, it's just not working. changes are being made on the scheme, it'sjust not working. it needs to be given to someone someone who understands about compensation schemes and understands about the people and their trauma. because they are not getting that at all. we see from that report. hotter they are not getting that at all. we see from that report.— see from that report. how do you res-ond see from that report. how do you respond to _ see from that report. how do you respond to the — see from that report. how do you respond to the fact _ see from that report. how do you respond to the fact that - see from that report. how do you respond to the fact that people i see from that report. how do you i respond to the fact that people like geoff received their money in the final hours of his life? i geoff received their money in the final hours of his life?— final hours of his life? i think what is happening _ final hours of his life? i think what is happening is - final hours of his life? i think what is happening is would i final hours of his life? i think i what is happening is would have final hours of his life? i think - what is happening is would have been unbelievable in 2018. the windrush scandal— unbelievable in 2018. the windrush scandal has shocked the nation and i think we _ scandal has shocked the nation and i think we have the scandal of the windrush— think we have the scandal of the windrush compensation scheme. people have died. _ windrush compensation scheme. people have died, we have had five years since _ have died, we have had five years since that— have died, we have had five years since that shocking news of what was happening _ since that shocking news of what was happening at the home office. the fact that _ happening at the home office. the fact that we are here today is heartbreaking.—
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fact that we are here today is heartbreakint. , ., , fact that we are here today is heartbreakint. . .. , , ., heartbreaking. glenda, why were you told ou heartbreaking. glenda, why were you told you were — heartbreaking. glenda, why were you told you were not _ heartbreaking. glenda, why were you told you were not british? _ heartbreaking. glenda, why were you told you were not british? i _ heartbreaking. glenda, why were you told you were not british? i came - told you were not british? i came here as a baby. — told you were not british? i came here as a baby, three _ told you were not british? i came here as a baby, three months - told you were not british? i camel here as a baby, three months old. from dominique, which was run by the uk at the time. i came with my parents. i didn't have a british passport because i came on my parents�* passport. i have lived here all my life, i never thought about going on holiday because i was a young mother, my career was as important as my children. i worked for the nhs, which is what i was encouraged to do by my parents, to get a governmentjob. in 2009 when i decided to retire and i took it on a part—time position. at the time i was a gp practice administrator and the manager who took over was not happy that i didn't have a british passport. so they terminated my position, gross misconduct. for not
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havint a position, gross misconduct. for not having a british _ position, gross misconduct. for not having a british passport? - position, gross misconduct. for not having a british passport? for - position, gross misconduct. for not having a british passport? for not i having a british passport? for not havint a having a british passport? for not having a british _ having a british passport? for not having a british passport - having a british passport? for not having a british passport on - having a british passport? for not having a british passport on the l having a british passport on the grounds i didn't have the right to live or work in the country. then;t live or work in the country. they said ou live or work in the country. they said you were — live or work in the country. they said you were an _ live or work in the country. they said you were an illegal- live or work in the country. they said you were an illegal migrant? exactly. it wasn't so bad, i thought 0k, exactly. it wasn't so bad, i thought ok, perhaps i will go and get anotherjob, he doesn't want me. it was when i went to claim benefits and i was told i couldn't get benefits and i had paid into the system all my life. i had four adult children. ., ., ., ., ,, system all my life. i had four adult children. ., ., ., .,~ children. how did all that make you feel? ifelt children. how did all that make you feel? i felt so _ children. how did all that make you feel? i felt so rejected, _ children. how did all that make you feel? i felt so rejected, i _ children. how did all that make you feel? i felt so rejected, i felt - feel? i felt so re'ected, i felt there was_ feel? i felt so rejected, i felt there was nothing _ feel? i felt so rejected, i felt there was nothing i - feel? i felt so rejected, i felt there was nothing i could - feel? i felt so rejected, i felt| there was nothing i could do. feel? i felt so rejected, i felt i there was nothing i could do. i feel? i felt so rejected, i felt - there was nothing i could do. i was fortunate enough to have a support system, my family was there for me. my system, my family was there for me. my daughter was born deaf, so she supported me on what benefits she was getting and then my children, who have their own families, were supporting me. seeing that other people didn't have that support system, so i was lucky. it drew me to where i got so depressed because my younger son was not classed as
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british either. even though he was born here and born within the period of time limit legislation. he felt depressed because he felt rejected. it put me in a state of depression where i contemplated suicide. really? it where i contemplated suicide. reall ? ., really? it got so bad, there was nowhere for _ really? it got so bad, there was nowhere for me _ really? it got so bad, there was nowhere for me to _ really? it got so bad, there was nowhere for me to go _ really? it got so bad, there was nowhere for me to go to. - really? it got so bad, there was - nowhere for me to go to. everything i tried to do, i would come up against a brick wall, it was the saddest time of my life, i have got to say that. saddest time of my life, i have got to say that-— to say that. david, why does this ha- ten to say that. david, why does this happen to _ to say that. david, why does this happen to people _ to say that. david, why does this happen to people like _ to say that. david, why does this happen to people like lender? it| happen to people like lender? it happened because of a lack of care, the government was warned in 2013, various— the government was warned in 2013, various immigration charities were warning _ various immigration charities were warning years before 2018 that this was beginning to happen. people like glenda _ was beginning to happen. people like glenda were caught in the fragments of forgotten legislation and pieces of forgotten legislation and pieces of immigration law from the 1970s. people _ of immigration law from the 1970s. people were warned that it took people — people were warned that it took people like glenda at risk and there was a _ people like glenda at risk and there was a lack— people like glenda at risk and there was a lack of interest, lack of care
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and a _ was a lack of interest, lack of care and a lack— was a lack of interest, lack of care and a lack of— was a lack of interest, lack of care and a lack of concern and the lack of appreciation with britain's relationship with the caribbean islands — relationship with the caribbean islands. the home office failed to understand british history and there was consequences, the ignorance of history— was consequences, the ignorance of history can — was consequences, the ignorance of history can have damaging consequences to our society and fellow _ consequences to our society and fellow citizens. the consequences to our society and fellow citizens.— consequences to our society and fellow citizens. the bbc revealed today there _ fellow citizens. the bbc revealed today there are _ fellow citizens. the bbc revealed today there are hundreds - fellow citizens. the bbc revealed today there are hundreds of - today there are hundreds of long—term sick and mentally ill people were also deported in the 70s, between the 50s and the 70s, so it has gone back decades. but wendy williams�* review as to why the scandal unfolded five years ago suggested that people like glenda were essentially caught up in the hostile environment around illegal migrants? and the home office was warned that the combination, the interaction of these _ the combination, the interaction of these pieces of legislation going back to — these pieces of legislation going back to 1971 could have this effect but they— back to 1971 could have this effect but they chose not to act. you have already said. _ but they chose not to act. you have already said, glenda, _
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but they chose not to act. you have already said, glenda, you _ but they chose not to act. you have already said, glenda, you think - but they chose not to act. you have already said, glenda, you think the | already said, glenda, you think the compensation scheme should be taken away from the home office but would you agree? the away from the home office but would ou atree? ., , . away from the home office but would ouatree? ., ' . ., away from the home office but would ou atree? ., , . ., ., you agree? the home office have had three ears you agree? the home office have had three years to — you agree? the home office have had three years to administer— you agree? the home office have had three years to administer this - three years to administer this scheme _ three years to administer this scheme. as we've heard, people have died while _ scheme. as we've heard, people have died while waiting for compensation. the scheme has not worked. i think every— the scheme has not worked. i think every effort. — the scheme has not worked. i think every effort, every opportunity has been _ every effort, every opportunity has been there — every effort, every opportunity has been there for the home office to properly— been there for the home office to properly and humanely administer the scheme _ properly and humanely administer the scheme and it is becoming, as i saidi _ scheme and it is becoming, as i said. the — scheme and it is becoming, as i said, the scandal of the windrush compensation.— said, the scandal of the windrush compensation. home secretary is a bloodbath bowerman _ compensation. home secretary is a bloodbath bowerman was - compensation. home secretary is a bloodbath bowerman was given - compensation. home secretary is aj bloodbath bowerman was given the opportunity to apologise today for the way the scheme has been handbuilt —— suella braverman put it she declined. her handbuilt -- suella braverman put it she declined-— she declined. her predecessors have apologised. — she declined. her predecessors have apologised, there _ she declined. her predecessors have apologised, there have _ she declined. her predecessors have apologised, there have been - she declined. her predecessors have apologised, there have been a - she declined. her predecessors have i apologised, there have been a number of moments _ apologised, there have been a number of moments when political leaders have recognised this is something we should _ have recognised this is something we should all— have recognised this is something we should all feel deep regret about. it is should all feel deep regret about. it is one _ should all feel deep regret about. it is one of— should all feel deep regret about. it is one of the most profound failings — it is one of the most profound failings and greatest scandals are known _ failings and greatest scandals are known in — failings and greatest scandals are known in my lifetime.— failings and greatest scandals are known in my lifetime. thank you both ve much known in my lifetime. thank you both very much for— known in my lifetime. thank you both very much for talking _ known in my lifetime. thank you both very much for talking to _ known in my lifetime. thank you both very much for talking to us. _ we can speak again now to captain bobbie scholley,
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we have hopefully sorted out the technicals. she is a former us navy diver, obviously regarding the missing submarine, and apologies for theissues missing submarine, and apologies for the issues earlier and thank you for your patience. you are answering about the search and rescue missions you have been involved in, and whether there is still hope, essentially.— whether there is still hope, essentially. whether there is still hope, essentiall. . ., , essentially. yes, i do believe there is still hope- _ essentially. yes, i do believe there is still hope. because _ essentially. yes, i do believe there is still hope. because we _ essentially. yes, i do believe there is still hope. because we are - essentially. yes, i do believe there is still hope. because we are still. is still hope. because we are still out there collecting the data, finding the search area, and as you heard in the interview from the coastguard, they are taking that data including the information on those sounds that they have heard and their having evaluated by experts and using those to expand their search field and picking out high priority areas that include the
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areas the sounds were in. and even though they have not said the sound is actually represent where the titan is, they have not ruled out that the sounds are not the titan so it gives me hope. and the other thing is that everybody is focused on the 96 hour window for the life support that they are giving to the crew, but that is not a hard and fast number. and i know the search teams are not focused on that being a hard and fast number. this will continue to be a rescue mission, even past that number, if it has to be. that still gives me hope also. there have been concerns raised about the stress on the sub because of the numbers of times it has gone to that depth, two and a half miles below sea level. is that something that alarms you?—
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that alarms you? actually, it didn't. that alarms you? actually, it didn't- you _ that alarms you? actually, it didn't. you know, _ that alarms you? actually, it didn't. you know, i'm - that alarms you? actually, it didn't. you know, i'm used i that alarms you? actually, it| didn't. you know, i'm used to didn�*t. you know, i�*m used to military grade equipment so we have very stringent standards in our equipment. they are designed to be used over and over again and that is the way you design systems and equipment that goes into the ocean, especially into deep ocean. and this submersible would be designed the same way. submersible would be designed the same wa . .. submersible would be designed the same wa . ., , , , same way. there are multiple experts and equipment _ same way. there are multiple experts and equipment from _ same way. there are multiple experts and equipment from multiple - and equipment from multiple countries. it is complex, but it seems that the best people, the best experts and equipment is now involved? . �* , experts and equipment is now involved? , �* , ., involved? yes, i'm very encouraged b that. involved? yes, i'm very encouraged by that- and — involved? yes, i'm very encouraged by that. and keeping _ involved? yes, i'm very encouraged by that. and keeping in _ involved? yes, i'm very encouraged by that. and keeping in mind - involved? yes, i'm very encouraged by that. and keeping in mind that l by that. and keeping in mind that these resources, this equipment, these resources, this equipment, these experts, are used to working in a unified manner this way, even
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though the equipment might vary in some ways, it is all basically the very equivalent and they have a unified team set up. and they are used to working in that manner, they are all professionals and i know, having been in those situations, there is a particular london factor but thi been low emission zone, and there is a particular london factor but thi been in)w emission zone, and there is a particular london factor but thi been in those ission zone, and that they are all focused on one there is a particular london factor but thi been in those situations, , and having been in those situations, that they are all focused on one mission, and that mission is to mission, and that mission is to bring this crew home. and so they bring this are going to do everything they can to do that. no matter where they are coming from, no matter whether they are military, commercial, civilian but that is what they are focused on and they are going to bring everything to the table they can to make that accomplished.— everything to the table they can to make that accomplished. thank you so much and thank _ make that accomplished. thank you so much and thank you _ make that accomplished. thank you so much and thank you for— make that accomplished. thank you so much and thank you for your _ much and thank you for your patience. thursday 20thjuly is shaping up to be a super by—election thursday with three contests — uxbridge and south ruislip, somerton
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and frome and selby and ainsty. in uxbridge and south ruislip then prime minister borisjohnson won the seat at the 2019 general election with a majority ofjust over 7,000. here�*s nick. hello and welcome to i�*m sorry i haven�*t a clue... hello and welcome to i'm sorry i haven't a clue. . ._ haven't a clue... the home of entlish haven't a clue... the home of english language _ haven't a clue... the home of english language puns- haven't a clue... the home of - english language puns immortalised on the wireless. the english language puns immortalised on the wireless.— on the wireless. the first round is called uxbridge _ on the wireless. the first round is called uxbridge english _ on the wireless. the first round is called uxbridge english dictionary. | called uxbridge english dictionary. and a place that will soon give us a clue or two about the nation�*s political pulse. midsummer rituals as our gaze turns to uxbridge and south ruislep, months before a potentially decisive by—election. —— uxbridge and south ruislip. a political headache for which is your neck of the boris johnson political headache for which is your neck of the borisjohnson abandoned the seat in a fit of pique but a
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challenge all round with a general election perhaps a year away —— a headache for rishi sunak. national polls would say that labour, the historic challenge in uxbridge, is well—placed but will that translate to fruits on the ground in this brexit supporting area that last elected a labour mp in 1966? will voters respond to the decision by the london labour mayor sadiq khan to extend the ulez car charge to places like uxbridge, the scheme designed by borisjohnson for central london when he was mayor. be careful about making assumptions, says one academic.— careful about making assumptions, says one academic. national polls at the moment — says one academic. national polls at the moment should _ says one academic. national polls at the moment should perhaps - says one academic. national polls at the moment should perhaps the - says one academic. national polls at. the moment should perhaps the 10-15% the moment should perhaps the 10—15% swing from conservatives to labour since the last election but in any by—election, perhaps particularly this one, given the previous mp, there will be local factors at play. there is a particular london factor
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