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to the fire, accountability, feet to the fire, but the coordination element of it when you get to a massive crisis goes up to the chain to the prime minister anyway, so that is our role of the civil contingencies secretariat, which when you have a huge crisis like covid, is then replaced with the covid central secretariat. but replaced with the covid central secretariat.— secretariat. but some of these didn't no secretariat. but some of these didn't go to — secretariat. but some of these didn't go to you. _ secretariat. but some of these didn't go to you, even - secretariat. but some of these didn't go to you, even though l secretariat. but some of these i didn't go to you, even though you were the secretary of state. is there not now for a much stronger coordinating body, not part of the cabinet office, but a stronger body that can ensure that the run—up to a crisis, in terms of their preparedness, the planning, things that need to be elevated to the highest levels are.— that need to be elevated to the highest levels are. yes. the way that i ut highest levels are. yes. the way that i put it _ highest levels are. yes. the way that i put it is — highest levels are. yes. the way that l put it is the _ highest levels are. yes. the way that i put it is the goal _ highest levels are. yes. the way that i put it is the goal of - highest levels are. yes. the way that i put it is the goal of it - that i put it is the goal of it should be to hold the lead the feed
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to the fire. for instance, if you had one of these bodies in the centre, if they try to do the job of the health secretary at the category one responder, then who guards the guardian? far better would be that they are in a position to haul in they are in a position to haul in the health secretary and say, are you doing that enough? because i wasn't called... we will leave that for a moment. the inquest into the death of nicola billy has been hearing more details this morning. her body was found in the river wye in february. live now to our correspondence danny savage years at the inquest. this to our correspondence danny savage years at the inquest.— years at the inquest. this is the second day _ years at the inquest. this is the second day of— years at the inquest. this is the second day of the _ years at the inquest. this is the second day of the inquest - years at the inquest. this is the second day of the inquest into i second day of the inquest into nicola billy? death. yesterday we heard from the expert witnesses about how quickly you could become
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unconscious in cold water when you plunge into it. that came out has less than 30 seconds, potentially. today we have been hearing from her family. it was quite an emotional morning, as you would expect. both of the main witnesses became over, times and had to have short breaks because they became so tearful because they became so tearful because they became so tearful because they were talking about such a close relative. her sister was talking at one point and became upset. we also heard from her partner, paulansell. he said upset. we also heard from her partner, paul ansell. he said that on the day that nicola bulley went missing, things are going very well in the week before she disappeared. business is going well. he was proud of what she was doing and she was proud of making her own money again. she worked as a mortgage broker. she had a busy day plant of the day she went missing, the 27th of january this year. there were meetings planned for the rest of the day. everything was in good place. nicola
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would do to loops by the field by the river is a regular walk as part of her daily routine. but when she didn't come back by mid—morning, he was expecting her to come back on by then, he sent a text message saying, have you got lost? soon after that he began receiving calls that their dog and the harness of the door can be found by the river. another interesting thing from this morning was the evidence effectively was summed up by the barrister who represents nicola bulley�*s family at the inquest. that barrister was given the opportunity to ask questions throughout the morning. she basically summarised to the coroner the evidence that she sought and she said the only appropriate ruling in this inquest is one of accidental death. she pointed to the evidence of her phone use on the day, the evidence from her fitbit,
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talked reports, the reverend relevant expert evidence. the family are clearly of the view that what occurred on that river bank was a tragic accident. so in other words, nicola bulley somehow accidentally fell into the river that morning and was overcome by the shock of being immersed in water, the extreme cold and she would have been dead very quickly. of course the river would have carried her body downriver, hence why it took so long to find her. she pointed to the other things like she was in good spirits, there was eyewitness evidence and then talk to her that day, she was walking with their dog who was described in court as almost like being her third child, and she would have never left the door by the river bank. what people have speculated about is if she had taken her own life, but the family barrister was saying there was no evidence for that. there was much rumour and speculation surrounding her death. that is allayed
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completely by all of the evidence which has been presented. the coroner has not made his ruling yet. we will do that this afternoon. he has gone away to consider the evidence. he will be steered by everything he has heard and the advance advice given by the barrister representing the family. when this story first broke there was huge media interest, so much commentary online and really intrigue because she seemed to disappear without a trace. yeah. nicola bulley _ disappear without a trace. yeah. nicola bulley was _ disappear without a trace. yeah. nicola bulley was 45 _ disappear without a trace. yeah. nicola bulley was 45 years - disappear without a trace. yeah. nicola bulley was 45 years old, i disappear without a trace. yeah. i nicola bulley was 45 years old, she lived with her partner and her two daughters and a short distance from where she was last seen. she had gone through the usual morning routine that day on the 27th of january this year by taking her daughters to the school in the village. she parked the car. had taken the dog, willow, on the
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regular walk around the river bank, and then vanished. the first person to come along though water bank found her phone on a bench at the bank and the dog because my harness. nicola bulley was nowhere to be seen. cue lots of speculation about what could have happened to her. that vacuum between when she disappeared and when she was found three weeks later was filled with lots of false speculation on social media about what had happened to her. the working theory of the police, lancashire police, is that she had gone into the water somehow. what this inquest has looked at in the simplest of terms is dead nicola bulley go into that river accidentally or did she do it deliberately. all of the evidence, as the barrister has said to the coroner, points to the fact that she accidentally fell in the river by a
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bench which she walked past all the time, that she was probably sitting on briefly listening to the work call, and there is a two metre high river bank at the spot where she vanished and she somehow went over the edge there, straight into about 12 feet deep of water. she would have gassed, the water would have been freezing at the time of year. she was overcome, it appears, by those conditions, hence she vanished, john, went under the water and that is why nobody could find a trace of her. it led to a lot of speculation with all sorts of strange people turning up, amateur sleuths trying to shed light on what could have happened. he had mediums and psychics and other people there, as well. it was a very distressing time for her family, as well. it was a very distressing time for herfamily, of as well. it was a very distressing time for her family, of course. this speculation on social media drove a huge public interest at what had
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happened to this perfect mum of two. how could shejust happened to this perfect mum of two. how could she just vanish, how could this happen? it appears listening to all the evidence over the last couple of days it was a terrible accident, although we await the ruling from the coroner this afternoon. ruling from the coroner this afternoon-— ruling from the coroner this afternoon. , ., ~ , ., ruling from the coroner this afternoon. , ., ~ ., afternoon. danny, thank you. to another breaking _ afternoon. danny, thank you. to another breaking news _ afternoon. danny, thank you. to another breaking news story. - afternoon. danny, thank you. to i another breaking news story. strike action by nurses at the royal couege action by nurses at the royal college of nursing will not continue after the unions balloted their members and they failed to achieve a mandate. the majority of members voted to take industrial action, but the numbers taking part were too low for a two count. let's get the latest twitter health correspondent. this brings to an end to the long—running dispute between the royal college of nursing and the government over pay in england, at least. undertrade government over pay in england, at least. under trade union laws, for a strike mandate to be carried it
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requires turn out to exceed 50%. this ballot was just over 43% of members of the royal college of nursing voted. the overwhelming majority voted for strike action to continue, because it was below the 50% threshold, it means the vote does not count. this ends the threats of future walk—outs. they have taken part in eight days of strike action since december overpay. last month the majority of the other health unions on this contract also backed the government's deal. the deal has started to be paid into their pay packets. this is separate from the dispute involving doctors and the bma. the threat of industrial action and the ongoing pay disputes in the nhs has not ended altogether. what
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nhs has not ended altogether. what will ha en nhs has not ended altogether. what will happen with _ nhs has not ended altogether. what will happen with the rcn nurses and those involved? will they now automatically accept that deal accepted by others? the automatically accept that deal accepted by others?— automatically accept that deal accepted by others? the deal was ut, there accepted by others? the deal was put. there are _ accepted by others? the deal was put, there are 14 _ accepted by others? the deal was put, there are 14 unions _ accepted by others? the deal was put, there are 14 unions in - accepted by others? the deal was put, there are 14 unions in the - accepted by others? the deal was. put, there are 14 unions in the nhs here on this agenda for change contract, and because the majority of those unions back the deal that was offered. it was 5% this year plus a one—off lump sum payment of at least £1635, because the majority back to, the government had already agreed to start paying that deal. the pay increase did go into the pay packets of nhs staff injune, so nurses were already getting it. that might have been a factor in the low turnout we saw, because some nurses would have been getting the extra pay, how strong they felt about
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industrial action because they had previously voted for industrial action, perhaps that pay rise and the fact that the money was ending up the fact that the money was ending up in their pockets has made a difference in this boat that not so many people came out to vote. this has been a — many people came out to vote. this has been a thorn _ many people came out to vote. this has been a thorn in _ many people came out to vote. this has been a thorn in the side of the government. any reaction from them? no reaction yet from the government. they were disappointed, they said, when the royal college of nursing members originally voted to reject the deal. they said it was a reasonable, fair and affordable offer. it came off the back of a pay rise of 4.7 5% for nhs staff last year. of course, that is well below the high levels of inflation we have seenin the high levels of inflation we have seen in the economy. the royal couege seen in the economy. the royal college of nursing said that whilst the threat of industrial action now does go away, they will continue putting the case for more staffing and better conditions for nurses.
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this week we are expecting the government to unveil the nhs workforce plan which should address some of those wider workplace issues. ., , , ., some of those wider workplace issues. ., , ,., ., , issues. there have been so many different strikes _ issues. there have been so many different strikes by _ issues. there have been so many different strikes by different - issues. there have been so many| different strikes by different parts of those who work in the health sector, does that bring them all to an end now?— an end now? well, the doctor's disute an end now? well, the doctor's dispute is _ an end now? well, the doctor's dispute is ongoing. _ an end now? well, the doctor's dispute is ongoing. next - an end now? well, the doctor'sj dispute is ongoing. next month an end now? well, the doctor's - dispute is ongoing. next month we will seejunior dispute is ongoing. next month we will see junior doctors walk—outs for five days. that is the biggest single walk—out by doctors in the history of the nhs. within the next couple of hours we should hear from the british medical association about consultants. they have been balloted over whether they want to take strike action over pay. that result is due very soon. there is also the threat of industrial action from the college of radiographers. they have a ballot that is ending
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this week. also the unite union, which represents alp —— ambulance staff and support workers. they have a mandate which still exist for some local strikes in certain hospitals and services. so it hasn't gone away completely, but certainly among nurses there will be no more walk—outs. nurses there will be no more walk-outs— walk-outs. thank you. let's return _ walk-outs. thank you. let's return to - walk-outs. thank you. let's return to the - walk-outs. thank you. | let's return to the covid walk-outs. thank you. - let's return to the covid inquiry, where the former health secretary, matt hancock, is giving evidence. he has been doing so since 10am. we expect that to continue for another ten or 15 minutes. lions led by structural donkeys, mr hancock. personally, everyone gave their all, hancock. personally, everyone gave theirall, but hancock. personally, everyone gave their all, but the system was not fit for purpose, was it? that
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their all, but the system was not fit for purpose, was it?— fit for purpose, was it? that is absolutely _ fit for purpose, was it? that is absolutely right. _ fit for purpose, was it? that is absolutely right. that - fit for purpose, was it? that is absolutely right. that was - fit for purpose, was it? that is absolutely right. that was a i fit for purpose, was it? that is i absolutely right. that was a problem across the western world. it goes back a long, long way in the assumptions underpinning how we planned these things and it must never happen again. that concludes my questioning _ never happen again. that concludes my questioning of— never happen again. that concludes my questioning of mr _ never happen again. that concludes my questioning of mr hancock. i never happen again. that concludes | my questioning of mr hancock. there is one area submitted by covid—19 is family forjustice for which is one area submitted by covid—19 is family for justice for which you have given permission. mr family forjustice for which you have given permission. mr weatherby. mr hancock. — have given permission. mr weatherby. mr hancock. l — have given permission. mr weatherby. mr hancock, i ask _ have given permission. mr weatherby. mr hancock, i ask you _ have given permission. mr weatherby. mr hancock, i ask you a _ have given permission. mr weatherby. mr hancock, i ask you a few _ mr hancock, i ask you a few questions _ mr hancock, i ask you a few questions on _ mr hancock, i ask you a few questions on behalf - mr hancock, i ask you a few questions on behalf of i mr hancock, i ask you a few questions on behalf of the l mr hancock, i ask you a few i questions on behalf of the covid families— questions on behalf of the covid families for— questions on behalf of the covid families forjustice _ questions on behalf of the covid families forjustice which - families forjustice which represents— families forjustice which represents the _ families forjustice which represents the interestsl families forjustice which l represents the interests of families forjustice which - represents the interests of many bereaved — represents the interests of many bereaved families— represents the interests of many bereaved families from - represents the interests of many bereaved families from across i represents the interests of many. bereaved families from across the united _ bereaved families from across the united kingdom. _ bereaved families from across the united kingdom. it— bereaved families from across the united kingdom. it is _ bereaved families from across the united kingdom. it is centred i bereaved families from across the i united kingdom. it is centred around the pandemic— united kingdom. it is centred around the pandemic flu _ united kingdom. it is centred around the pandemic flu bill, _ united kingdom. it is centred around the pandemic flu bill, which- united kingdom. it is centred around the pandemic flu bill, which is- united kingdom. it is centred around the pandemic flu bill, which is one i the pandemic flu bill, which is one of the _ the pandemic flu bill, which is one of the two — the pandemic flu bill, which is one of the two key— the pandemic flu bill, which is one of the two key work _ the pandemic flu bill, which is one of the two key work streams i the pandemic flu bill, which is one of the two key work streams that. of the two key work streams that were _ of the two key work streams that were kept—
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of the two key work streams that were kept going _ of the two key work streams that were kept going when _ of the two key work streams that were kept going when most i of the two key work streams that were kept going when most of. of the two key work streams that. were kept going when most of the rest of— were kept going when most of the rest of the — were kept going when most of the rest of the refresh, _ were kept going when most of the rest of the refresh, as _ were kept going when most of the rest of the refresh, as we - were kept going when most of the rest of the refresh, as we have i rest of the refresh, as we have heard — rest of the refresh, as we have heard it — rest of the refresh, as we have heard it called, _ rest of the refresh, as we have heard it called, was _ rest of the refresh, as we have heard it called, was posed i rest of the refresh, as we have i heard it called, was posed because of brexit _ heard it called, was posed because of brexit is— heard it called, was posed because of brexit. is that _ heard it called, was posed because of brexit. is that right? _ heard it called, was posed because of brexit. is that right? so- heard it called, was posed because of brexit. is that right? so that i of brexit. is that right? so that gives— of brexit. is that right? so that gives the — of brexit. is that right? so that gives the importance _ of brexit. is that right? so that gives the importance with i of brexit. is that right? so thati gives the importance with which of brexit. is that right? so that i gives the importance with which you looked _ gives the importance with which you looked at _ gives the importance with which you looked at the — gives the importance with which you looked at the pandemic— gives the importance with which you looked at the pandemic flu - 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time, i will flag up one reference on page six. _ time, i will flag up one reference on page six, where _ time, i will flag up one reference on page six, where this - time, i will flag up one referencel on page six, where this document refers _ on page six, where this document refers to— on page six, where this document refers to the — on page six, where this document refers to the importance - on page six, where this document refers to the importance of - refers to the importance of prevention _ refers to the importance of prevention and _ refers to the importance of prevention and mitigation i refers to the importance of i prevention and mitigation and refers to the importance of - prevention and mitigation and not simply— prevention and mitigation and not simply response _ prevention and mitigation and not simply response and _ prevention and mitigation and not simply response and recovery. - prevention and mitigation and not. simply response and recovery. right. by simply response and recovery. right. by 2018— simply response and recovery. right. by 2018 to _ simply response and recovery. right. by 2018 to who _ simply response and recovery. right. by 2018 to who were _ simply response and recovery. right. by 2018 to who were putting - simply response and recovery. right. by 2018 to who were putting out - by 2018 to who were putting out guidance — by 2018 to who were putting out guidance which _ by 2018 to who were putting out guidance which underlines - by 2018 to who were putting out guidance which underlines the i guidance which underlines the necessity, _ guidance which underlines the necessity, prevention- guidance which underlines the necessity, prevention and - guidance which underlines the - necessity, prevention and mitigation and not _ necessity, prevention and mitigation and notjust— necessity, prevention and mitigation and notjust response _ necessity, prevention and mitigation and notjust response and _ necessity, prevention and mitigation and notjust response and recovery, | and notjust response and recovery, which _ and notjust response and recovery, which i _ and notjust response and recovery, which i think— and notjust response and recovery, which i think is— and notjust response and recovery, which i think is one _ and notjust response and recovery, which i think is one of— and notjust response and recovery, which i think is one of your- and notjust response and recovery, which i think is one of your points, i which i think is one of your points, isn't _ which i think is one of your points, isn't it. _ which i think is one of your points, isn't it. as — which i think is one of your points, isn't it. as one _ which i think is one of your points, isn't it, as one of— which i think is one of your points, isn't it, as one of the _ which i think is one of your points, isn't it, as one of the problems - isn't it, as one of the problems with— isn't it, as one of the problems with the — isn't it, as one of the problems with the uk? _ isn't it, as one of the problems with the uk?— isn't it, as one of the problems with the uk? doctrine? i haven't seen this document. _ with the uk? doctrine? i haven't seen this document. it _ with the uk? doctrine? i haven't seen this document. it depends | with the uk? doctrine? i haven't- seen this document. it depends what you mean by prevention and mitigation. the initial containment and an temp two contain the virus was part of the uk's plans. the problem with the uk plan was once we got to community transmission it was wrongly assumed it was impossible to stop the spread. mitigation in this context tends to mean dealing with the consequences, which is not good
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enough. the consequences, which is not good enou:h. ~ , , . ., the consequences, which is not good enou~h.~ ,, . . , enough. with respect, that is response _ enough. with respect, that is response rather _ enough. with respect, that is response rather than - enough. with respect, that is. response rather than litigation. i response rather than litigation. would be very happy to read response rather than litigation.“ would be very happy to read the document and consider it. flan would be very happy to read the document and consider it. tight would be very happy to read the document and consider it. can i take ou to document and consider it. can i take you to page — document and consider it. can i take you to page 11? _ document and consider it. can i take you to page 11? this _ document and consider it. can i take you to page 11? this is _ document and consider it. can i take you to page 11? this is the _ you to page 11? this is the important _ you to page 11? this is the important passage - you to page 11? this is the important passage with i you to page 11? this is the - important passage with respect to the pandemic— important passage with respect to the pandemic flu _ important passage with respect to the pandemic flu bill. _ important passage with respect to the pandemic flu bill. this- important passage with respect to the pandemic flu bill. this is- the pandemic flu bill. this is paragraph _ the pandemic flu bill. this is paragraph 22— the pandemic flu bill. this is paragraph 2.2 within - the pandemic flu bill. this is paragraph 2.2 within this - the pandemic flu bill. this is- paragraph 2.2 within this document, headed _ paragraph 2.2 within this document, headed tegat— paragraph 2.2 within this document, headed legal and _ paragraph 2.2 within this document, headed legal and policy— paragraph 2.2 within this document, headed legal and policy issues, - headed legal and policy issues, which _ headed legal and policy issues, which is — headed legal and policy issues, which is why— headed legal and policy issues, which is why it _ headed legal and policy issues, which is why it is _ headed legal and policy issues, which is why it is relevant - headed legal and policy issues, which is why it is relevant to i headed legal and policy issues, . which is why it is relevant to what i'm which is why it is relevant to what i'm asking — which is why it is relevant to what i'm asking about _ which is why it is relevant to what i'm asking about with _ which is why it is relevant to what i'm asking about with the - which is why it is relevant to what i'm asking about with the bill. - which is why it is relevant to what| i'm asking about with the bill. the rationale — i'm asking about with the bill. the rationale that— i'm asking about with the bill. the rationale that public— i'm asking about with the bill. the rationale that public health - rationale that public health measures— rationale that public health measures during _ rationale that public health measures during a - rationale that public health i measures during a pandemic rationale that public health - measures during a pandemic are designed — measures during a pandemic are designed to— measures during a pandemic are designed to reduce _ measures during a pandemic are designed to reduce the - measures during a pandemic are designed to reduce the spread . measures during a pandemic are | designed to reduce the spread of measures during a pandemic are - designed to reduce the spread of the pandemic— designed to reduce the spread of the pandemic virus— designed to reduce the spread of the pandemic virus and _ designed to reduce the spread of the pandemic virus and save _ designed to reduce the spread of the pandemic virus and save lives. - designed to reduce the spread of the pandemic virus and save lives. in - pandemic virus and save lives. in some _ pandemic virus and save lives. in some circumstances— pandemic virus and save lives. in some circumstances it _ pandemic virus and save lives. in some circumstances it may- pandemic virus and save lives. in some circumstances it may be i some circumstances it may be necessary _ some circumstances it may be necessary to _ some circumstances it may be necessary to overrule - some circumstances it may be necessary to overrule existing i some circumstances it may be - necessary to overrule existing laws or individual— necessary to overrule existing laws or individual human _ necessary to overrule existing laws or individual human rights - necessary to overrule existing laws or individual human rights in - necessary to overrule existing laws or individual human rights in order| or individual human rights in order to implement _ or individual human rights in order to implement measures— or individual human rights in order to implement measures that - or individual human rights in order to implement measures that are l or individual human rights in order| to implement measures that are in the best— to implement measures that are in the best interests— to implement measures that are in the best interests of— to implement measures that are in
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the best interests of community i the best interests of community health — the best interests of community health the _ the best interests of community health. the end _ the best interests of community health. the end of— the best interests of community health. the end of that - the best interests of community . health. the end of that paragraph, these _ health. the end of that paragraph, these decisions _ health. the end of that paragraph, these decisions need _ health. the end of that paragraph, these decisions need a _ health. the end of that paragraph, these decisions need a legal- these decisions need a legal framework— these decisions need a legal framework to— these decisions need a legal framework to ensure - these decisions need a legal- framework to ensure transparent assessment— framework to ensure transparent assessment and _ framework to ensure transparent assessment and authority - framework to ensure transparent assessment and authority for - framework to ensure transparenti assessment and authority for the measures— assessment and authority for the measures being _ assessment and authority for the measures being considered - assessment and authority for the measures being considered as. assessment and authority for the i measures being considered as well assessment and authority for the - measures being considered as well as coherence _ measures being considered as well as coherence with — measures being considered as well as coherence with relevant _ coherence with relevant international _ coherence with relevant international laws. - coherence with relevant international laws. so l coherence with relevant. international laws. so here coherence with relevant - international laws. so here is the who _ international laws. so here is the who saying _ international laws. so here is the who saying that _ international laws. so here is the who saying that you _ international laws. so here is the who saying that you need - international laws. so here is the who saying that you need to - international laws. so here is the - who saying that you need to consider the measures— who saying that you need to consider the measures and _ who saying that you need to consider the measures and then _ who saying that you need to consider the measures and then you _ who saying that you need to consider the measures and then you need - who saying that you need to consider the measures and then you need to l the measures and then you need to have the _ the measures and then you need to have the legal— the measures and then you need to have the legal backing _ the measures and then you need to have the legal backing in _ the measures and then you need to have the legal backing in place - have the legal backing in place before — have the legal backing in place before the _ have the legal backing in place before the problem _ have the legal backing in place before the problem strikes, i have the legal backing in place . before the problem strikes, yes? yes _ before the problem strikes, yes? yes next— before the problem strikes, yes? yes next part. _ before the problem strikes, yes? yes. next part, this— before the problem strikes, yes? yes. next part, this document i before the problem strikes, yes? i yes. next part, this document splits the guidance — yes. next part, this document splits the guidance into— yes. next part, this document splits the guidance into essential, - yes. next part, this document splits the guidance into essential, what. the guidance into essential, what the guidance into essential, what the who — the guidance into essential, what the who regards _ the guidance into essential, what the who regards as _ the guidance into essential, what the who regards as essential, i the guidance into essential, what. the who regards as essential, and what is _ the who regards as essential, and what is desirable. _ the who regards as essential, and what is desirable. this _ the who regards as essential, and what is desirable. this is _ the who regards as essential, and what is desirable. this is under- what is desirable. this is under essentiat~ _ what is desirable. this is under essential. the _ what is desirable. this is under essential. the first _ what is desirable. this is under essential. the first bullet - what is desirable. this is underi essential. the first bullet point, review _ essential. the first bullet point, review existing legislation - essential. the first bullet point, . review existing legislation policies or other— review existing legislation policies or other government— review existing legislation policies or other government instrumentsi or other government instruments retevant — or other government instruments relevant to— or other government instruments relevant to pandemic _ or other government instruments relevant to pandemic risk - relevant to pandemic risk management. _
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relevant to pandemic risk management. that- relevant to pandemic risk management. that is- relevant to pandemic risk. management. that is what relevant to pandemic risk - management. that is what you are doing _ management. that is what you are doing around — management. that is what you are doing around 2018 _ management. that is what you are doing around 2018 with _ management. that is what you are doing around 2018 with the - management. that is what you are i doing around 2018 with the pandemic flu bitt _ doing around 2018 with the pandemic flu bitt the — doing around 2018 with the pandemic flu bill. the second _ doing around 2018 with the pandemic flu bill. the second bullet _ doing around 2018 with the pandemic flu bill. the second bullet point. - flu bill. the second bullet point. yes, _ flu bill. the second bullet point. yes. att— flu bill. the second bullet point. yes. all that _ flu bill. the second bullet point. yes, all that. assess _ flu bill. the second bullet point. yes, all that. assess the - flu bill. the second bullet point. yes, all that. assess the legal. yes, all that. assess the legal basis — yes, all that. assess the legal basis for— yes, all that. assess the legal basis for all— yes, all that. assess the legal basis for all public _ yes, all that. assess the legal basis for all public health - yes, all that. assess the legal- basis for all public health measures that are _ basis for all public health measures that are likely— basis for all public health measures that are likely to _ basis for all public health measures that are likely to be _ basis for all public health measures that are likely to be proposed - that are likely to be proposed during — that are likely to be proposed during a — that are likely to be proposed during a pandemic— that are likely to be proposed during a pandemic response, | that are likely to be proposed - during a pandemic response, such as isotation _ during a pandemic response, such as isolation or— during a pandemic response, such as isolation or quarantine _ during a pandemic response, such as isolation or quarantine of— during a pandemic response, such as isolation or quarantine of infected . isolation or quarantine of infected individuats. — isolation or quarantine of infected individuals, people _ isolation or quarantine of infected individuals, people suspected - isolation or quarantine of infected individuals, people suspected of. individuals, people suspected of being _ individuals, people suspected of being infected _ individuals, people suspected of being infected or— individuals, people suspected of being infected or people - individuals, people suspected of being infected or people from i individuals, people suspected of. being infected or people from areas where _ being infected or people from areas where pandemic— being infected or people from areas where pandemic influenza - being infected or people from areas where pandemic influenza infection| where pandemic influenza infection is established. _ where pandemic influenza infection is established. so, _ where pandemic influenza infection is established. so, a _ where pandemic influenza infection is established. so, a legal- where pandemic influenza infectioni is established. so, a legal measure in place _ is established. so, a legal measure in place for— is established. so, a legal measure in place foran— is established. so, a legal measure in place for an emergency- is established. so, a legal measure in place for an emergency to - in place for an emergency to restrict— in place for an emergency to restrict the _ in place for an emergency to restrict the ordinary - in place for an emergency to restrict the ordinary rights . in place for an emergency to| restrict the ordinary rights of people — restrict the ordinary rights of peopte who _ restrict the ordinary rights of people who are _ restrict the ordinary rights of people who are infected - restrict the ordinary rights of people who are infected or. restrict the ordinary rights of. people who are infected or may restrict the ordinary rights of - people who are infected or may be infected. _ people who are infected or may be infected. yes? _ people who are infected or may be infected, yes? yes. _ people who are infected or may be infected, yes? yes. travel- people who are infected or may be infected, yes? yes. travel or- infected, yes? yes. travel or movement— infected, yes? yes. travel or movement restrictions, - infected, yes? yes. travel or movement restrictions, ie i infected, yes? yes. travel ori movement restrictions, ie on infected, yes? yes. travel or- movement restrictions, ie on leaving or entering _ movement restrictions, ie on leaving or entering areas _ movement restrictions, ie on leaving or entering areas where _ movement restrictions, ie on leaving or entering areas where pandemic i or entering areas where pandemic influenza — or entering areas where pandemic influenza infection— or entering areas where pandemic influenza infection is— or entering areas where pandemic influenza infection is established. | influenza infection is established. so, influenza infection is established. so. travel— influenza infection is established. so. travel and _ influenza infection is established. so, travel and movement- influenza infection is established. so, travel and movement will- influenza infection is established. - so, travel and movement will include tockdowns? _ so, travel and movement will include lockdowns? yes. _ so, travel and movement will include lockdowns? yes. closure _
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so, travel and movement will include lockdowns? yes. closure of- lockdowns? yes. closure of educational— lockdowns? yes. closure of educational institutions - lockdowns? yes. closure of educational institutions and prohibition— educational institutions and prohibition of— educational institutions and prohibition of mass - educational institutions and - prohibition of mass gatherings. yes. 0k. prohibition of mass gatherings. yes. 0k~ att— prohibition of mass gatherings. yes. ok. all relatively _ prohibition of mass gatherings. yes. ok. all relatively straightforward - ok. all relatively straightforward in concept — ok. all relatively straightforward in concept. lust— 0k. all relatively straightforward in concet. , ' . . , in concept. just 1.1 will challenges ou said in concept. just 1.1 will challenges you said travel _ in concept. just 1.1 will challenges you said travel or— in concept. just 1.1 will challenges you said travel or movement - you said travel or movement restrictions, that means lockdown. that is not rights. what it doesn't happen there is a stay at home order, because the isolation or quarantine of infected individuals is for infected individuals. i said is for infected individuals. i said would include _ is for infected individuals. i said would include lockdowns, - is for infected individuals. i said would include lockdowns, in - would include lockdowns, in parentheses, _ would include lockdowns, in parentheses, that _ would include lockdowns, in parentheses, that is- would include lockdowns, in parentheses, that is on- would include lockdowns, in. parentheses, that is on leaving would include lockdowns, in- parentheses, that is on leaving or entering — parentheses, that is on leaving or entering areas _ parentheses, that is on leaving or entering areas. no, _ parentheses, that is on leaving or entering areas.— entering areas. no, i is where --eole entering areas. no, i is where people are — entering areas. no, i is where people are required _ entering areas. no, i is where people are required by - entering areas. no, i is where people are required by law- entering areas. no, i is where people are required by law to | entering areas. no, i is where - people are required by law to stare at him, which is different. i irriiiii at him, which is different. i will not at him, which is different. i will rrot venture _ at him, which is different. i will not venture to _ at him, which is different. i will not venture to over _ at him, which is different. i will not venture to over that - at him, which is different. i will not venture to over that one. . at him, which is different. i will not venture to over that one. it i not venture to over that one. it really not venture to over that one. really matters. if the question not venture to over that one.- really matters. if the question is that the who published this in 2018 why didn't we have it in place, if thatis why didn't we have it in place, if that is the question pandemic flu
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draft bill, which became the coronavirus act, and the public health act 1984 has the legal framework for all of this in its. however, the review compliance with obligations under ihr sentence in the top bullet point, that ihr includes the rule that you should not closure borders in a pandemic and the fact that the second bullet point does not include a stay at home order precisely supports my points that there was not consideration given even at the who level to a requirement for lockdown. a travel restriction is not lockdown. i a travel restriction is not lockdown.— a travel restriction is not lockdown. . �* ., ., lockdown. i haven't got the time to to into lockdown. i haven't got the time to go into the — lockdown. i haven't got the time to go into the international _ lockdown. i haven't got the time to go into the international health - go into the international health regulations— go into the international health regulations with _ go into the international health regulations with you. _ go into the international health regulations with you. we - go into the international health regulations with you. we can . go into the international health - regulations with you. we can perhaps deal with— regulations with you. we can perhaps deal with that — regulations with you. we can perhaps deal with that in _ regulations with you. we can perhaps deal with that in a _ regulations with you. we can perhaps deal with that in a different _ regulations with you. we can perhaps deal with that in a different way. - deal with that in a different way.
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sure _ deal with that in a different way. sure here — deal with that in a different way. sure here you— deal with that in a different way. sure. here you have _ deal with that in a different way. sure. here you have a _ deal with that in a different way. sure. here you have a list - deal with that in a different way. sure. here you have a list of- sure. here you have a list of straightforward _ sure. here you have a list of straightforward sensible - sure. here you have a list of- straightforward sensible options which _ straightforward sensible options which the — straightforward sensible options which the who _ straightforward sensible options which the who referenced - straightforward sensible options which the who referenced to i straightforward sensible optionsl which the who referenced to the stopping — which the who referenced to the stopping the _ which the who referenced to the stopping the spread _ which the who referenced to the stopping the spread of— which the who referenced to the stopping the spread of a - which the who referenced to the . stopping the spread of a pandemic, and they— stopping the spread of a pandemic, and they are — stopping the spread of a pandemic, and they are options _ stopping the spread of a pandemic, and they are options which - stopping the spread of a pandemic, and they are options which are - and they are options which are likely— and they are options which are likely to — and they are options which are likely to be _ and they are options which are likely to be proposed - and they are options which are likely to be proposed in- and they are options which are likely to be proposed in an - likely to be proposed in an emergency— likely to be proposed in an emergency situation - likely to be proposed in an emergency situation suchi likely to be proposed in an i emergency situation such as likely to be proposed in an - emergency situation such as a pandemic, _ emergency situation such as a pandemic. yes? _ emergency situation such as a pandemic. yes?— emergency situation such as a pandemic, yes? emergency situation such as a andemic, es? . , . pandemic, yes? that is what it said. that wasn't — pandemic, yes? that is what it said. that wasn't the _ pandemic, yes? that is what it said. that wasn't the policy _ pandemic, yes? that is what it said. that wasn't the policy of _ pandemic, yes? that is what it said. that wasn't the policy of the - pandemic, yes? that is what it said. that wasn't the policy of the uk - pandemic, yes? that is what it said. that wasn't the policy of the uk at i that wasn't the policy of the uk at the time. �* .. , that wasn't the policy of the uk at the time. �* u, , ., the time. indeed. because we get to the time. indeed. because we get to the pandemic _ the time. indeed. because we get to the pandemic flu _ the time. indeed. because we get to the pandemic flu bill, _ the time. indeed. because we get to the pandemic flu bill, and _ the time. indeed. because we get to the pandemic flu bill, and with - the time. indeed. because we get to the pandemic flu bill, and with what you just _ the pandemic flu bill, and with what you just said. — the pandemic flu bill, and with what you just said. we _ the pandemic flu bill, and with what you just said, we will— the pandemic flu bill, and with what you just said, we will need _ the pandemic flu bill, and with what you just said, we will need to - the pandemic flu bill, and with what you just said, we will need to put - you just said, we will need to put it up. _ you just said, we will need to put it up. just — you just said, we will need to put it up, just contents _ you just said, we will need to put it up, just contents page. - and so this is the bill as drafted, dated _ and so this is the bill as drafted, dated 2020, _ and so this is the bill as drafted, dated 2020, so— and so this is the bill as drafted, dated 2020, so this _ and so this is the bill as drafted, dated 2020, so this is _ and so this is the bill as drafted, dated 2020, so this is after - and so this is the bill as drafted, dated 2020, so this is after the i dated 2020, so this is after the work— dated 2020, so this is after the work presumably— dated 2020, so this is after the work presumably is _ dated 2020, so this is after the work presumably is completed. dated 2020, so this is after the -
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work presumably is completed. what we see _ work presumably is completed. what we see here — work presumably is completed. what we see here is — work presumably is completed. what we see here is the _ work presumably is completed. what we see here is the bill— work presumably is completed. what we see here is the bill with— work presumably is completed. what we see here is the bill with clauses. we see here is the bill with clauses that relate — we see here is the bill with clauses that relate to — we see here is the bill with clauses that relate to the _ we see here is the bill with clauses that relate to the emergency - that relate to the emergency registration— that relate to the emergency registration of— that relate to the emergency registration of health - registration of health professionals, - registration of health professionals, a - registration of health professionals, a rafti registration of health i professionals, a raft of registration of health _ professionals, a raft of provisions deating _ professionals, a raft of provisions dealing with — professionals, a raft of provisions dealing with the _ professionals, a raft of provisions dealing with the easing _ professionals, a raft of provisions dealing with the easing of- professionals, a raft of provisionsl dealing with the easing of ordinary business _ dealing with the easing of ordinary business as— dealing with the easing of ordinary business as usual— dealing with the easing of ordinary business as usual duties _ dealing with the easing of ordinary business as usual duties within - business as usual duties within mental— business as usual duties within mental health— business as usual duties within mental health system - business as usual duties within mental health system and - business as usual duties within mental health system and the| business as usual duties within - mental health system and the health system _ mental health system and the health system and _ mental health system and the health system and indemnity— mental health system and the health system and indemnity in— mental health system and the health system and indemnity in terms- mental health system and the health system and indemnity in terms of. system and indemnity in terms of health— system and indemnity in terms of health care — system and indemnity in terms of health care. which _ system and indemnity in terms of health care. which about - system and indemnity in terms of health care. which about list - system and indemnity in terms of. health care. which about list which we have _ health care. which about list which we have just — health care. which about list which we have just looked _ health care. which about list which we have just looked at _ health care. which about list which we have just looked at from - health care. which about list which we have just looked at from the . health care. which about list which . we have just looked at from the who, is in this— we have just looked at from the who, is in this pandemic— we have just looked at from the who, is in this pandemic flu _ we have just looked at from the who, is in this pandemic flu bill, _ we have just looked at from the who, is in this pandemic flu bill, mr- is in this pandemic flu bill, mr hancock? _ is in this pandemic flu bill, mr hancock? i— is in this pandemic flu bill, mr hancock?— is in this pandemic flu bill, mr hancock? ., �* ,, ., , ., ,, ., hancock? i don't know, but i do know that 0 -t hancock? i don't know, but i do know that opt out— hancock? i don't know, but i do know that opt out list _ hancock? i don't know, but i do know that opt out list in _ hancock? i don't know, but i do know that opt out list in the _ hancock? i don't know, but i do know that opt out list in the who _ that opt out list in the who guidance, many of those are in the public health act 1984 because it was the public health act 1984 that were used as the legal basis for restrictions.— restrictions. yeah, so in fact, it is because _ and it goes to show that the culture in cricket is restrictions. yeah, so in fact, it is because _ restrictions. yeah, so in fact, it restrictions. yeah, so in fact, it is because 14 — restrictions. yeah, so in fact, it is because 14 is _ restrictions. yeah, so in fact, it is because 14 is the _ is because 14 — restrictions. yeah, so in fact, it is because 14 is the temporary l is because 14 is the temporary ctosure — is because 14 is the temporary ctosure of— is because 14 is the temporary closure of educational- is because 14 is the temporary- closure of educational institutions, so the _ closure of educational institutions, so the only— closure of educational institutions, so the only one _ closure of educational institutions, so the only one of _ closure of educational institutions, so the only one of that _ closure of educational institutions, so the only one of that list - closure of educational institutions, so the only one of that list that - so the only one of that list that made _ so the only one of that list that made its — so the only one of that list that made its way— so the only one of that list that made its way into _ so the only one of that list that made its way into this -
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so the only one of that list that made its way into this bill - so the only one of that list that made its way into this bill is . so the only one of that list thati made its way into this bill is the restriction — made its way into this bill is the restriction on _ made its way into this bill is the restriction on temporary - made its way into this bill is the j restriction on temporary closure made its way into this bill is the i restriction on temporary closure of educational— restriction on temporary closure of educational facilities. _ restriction on temporary closure of educationalfacilities. so— restriction on temporary closure of educational facilities. so you - restriction on temporary closure of educational facilities. so you havel educational facilities. so you have referred _ educational facilities. so you have referred to — educational facilities. so you have referred to other— educational facilities. so you have referred to other acts, _ educational facilities. so you have referred to other acts, but - educational facilities. so you have referred to other acts, but this . educational facilities. so you have referred to other acts, but this isi referred to other acts, but this is the work— referred to other acts, but this is the work stream _ referred to other acts, but this is the work stream that _ referred to other acts, but this is the work stream that is - referred to other acts, but this is| the work stream that is supposed referred to other acts, but this is i the work stream that is supposed to be refreshing — the work stream that is supposed to be refreshing or— the work stream that is supposed to be refreshing or updating _ the work stream that is supposed to be refreshing or updating the - be refreshing or updating the doctrine _ be refreshing or updating the doctrine. this— be refreshing or updating the doctrine. this is— be refreshing or updating the doctrine. this is the - be refreshing or updating the doctrine. this is the bill- be refreshing or updating the| doctrine. this is the bill which be refreshing or updating the i doctrine. this is the bill which is surrposed — doctrine. this is the bill which is surrposed to— doctrine. this is the bill which is surrposed to be _ doctrine. this is the bill which is supposed to be there _ doctrine. this is the bill which is supposed to be there to - doctrine. this is the bill which is supposed to be there to give - doctrine. this is the bill which is| supposed to be there to give you doctrine. this is the bill which is- supposed to be there to give you an armoury— supposed to be there to give you an armoury ih— supposed to be there to give you an armoury in an — supposed to be there to give you an armoury in an emergency— supposed to be there to give you an armoury in an emergency situation, i armoury in an emergency situation, and it_ armoury in an emergency situation, and it doesrr't— armoury in an emergency situation, and it doesn't follow— armoury in an emergency situation, and it doesn't follow this _ and it doesn't follow this authoritative _ and it doesn't follow this authoritative source - and it doesn't follow this| authoritative source from and it doesn't follow this - authoritative source from the and it doesn't follow this _ authoritative source from the who. i was hot _ authoritative source from the who. i was not allowed _ authoritative source from the who. i was not allowed to _ authoritative source from the who. i was not allowed to happen? - authoritative source from the who. i was not allowed to happen?- was not allowed to happen? because the other recommendations - was not allowed to happen? because the other recommendations from - was not allowed to happen? becausei the other recommendations from the who were already in law in this country in the public health act 1984. if i may say so, i essentially think that the core point you're making, which is that we should have been ready and had legal powers in place and we should be ready to lockdown, that i agree with
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wholeheartedly and i agree with it and i think that to do justice, nothing can bring the people who died back and each and every one, but we must learn that lesson. we need to take the measures necessary early to stop a future pandemic from killing people. but to say they are not in this bill without considering what other bills they might already be, doesn't really prove that point. i'm sure we can look at other legislation— i'm sure we can look at other legislation as _ i'm sure we can look at other legislation as you _ i'm sure we can look at other legislation as you go - i'm sure we can look at other legislation as you go along, i i'm sure we can look at other. legislation as you go along, but this is— legislation as you go along, but this is the — legislation as you go along, but this is the work— legislation as you go along, but this is the work stream. - legislation as you go along, but this is the work stream. [- legislation as you go along, but this is the work stream. i know, but i use that legislation _ this is the work stream. i know, but i use that legislation extensively, i i use that legislation extensively, i use that legislation extensively, i understand the public health act 1984 very well and what i can tell you is the who recommendations in the culture in cricket is rotten. 2018, other than on temporary
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closure of educational institutions, those powers are available as far as i understand it in the public health act. , . i understand it in the public health act. , , , ., ., act. just in terms of the devolved nations, act. just in terms of the devolved nations. it _ act. just in terms of the devolved nations. it is _ act. just in terms of the devolved nations, it is right _ act. just in terms of the devolved nations, it is right that _ act. just in terms of the devolved nations, it is right that this - nations, it is right that this legislation— nations, it is right that this legislation was— nations, it is right that this legislation was developed, j nations, it is right that this - legislation was developed, this draft _ legislation was developed, this draft legislation, _ legislation was developed, this draft legislation, was _ legislation was developed, this| draft legislation, was developed with some — draft legislation, was developed with some input _ draft legislation, was developed with some input from _ draft legislation, was developed with some input from the - draft legislation, was developed i with some input from the devolved nations _ with some input from the devolved nations it — with some input from the devolved nations it is — with some input from the devolved nations. it is also _ with some input from the devolved nations. it is also right— with some input from the devolved nations. it is also right that - with some input from the devolved nations. it is also right that none l nations. it is also right that none of them — nations. it is also right that none of them used _ nations. it is also right that none of them used it _ nations. it is also right that none of them used it in— nations. it is also right that none of them used it in the _ nations. it is also right that none of them used it in the events. i of them used it in the events. because — of them used it in the events. because they _ of them used it in the events. because they had _ of them used it in the events. because they had their- of them used it in the events. because they had their own . of them used it in the events. - because they had their own other legislation on the statute book. part of the reason for a need to reform the 1984 act is to have a uk—wide approach because i think that whilst it is totally appropriate to devolve health and the nhs, because of the nature of how pandemic spread it would be far better to respond to the next pandemic on a uk wide basis rather than in england, scotland, wales and northern ireland basis. i think in that way we would save more lives. we are going leave our coverage of
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the covert covid inquiry there. you can continue to watch it on the bbc news life page. —— life page. today at one, a long—awaited report into cricket in england and wales finds racism, elitism and misogyny are "widespread and deep—rooted". the investigation has made 44 recommendations, including that the england and wales cricket board makes an unreserved apology for its failings. racism, sexism, class—based discrimination and elitism are widespread and deep—rooted. and it goes to show that
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