we will be putting in an application to seek permission to appeal - the judgment very, very swiftly. welcome to the programme. the uk court of appeal has struck down the government's plan to deport some asylum—seekers to rwanda, calling it unlawful. rishi sunak has vowed to appeal the decision that has put a pause on a key pillar of his government's immigration policy. joining me on the panel for the next hour to discuss that and a range of stories is the republican strategist rina shah and the journalist and broadcasterjenny kleeman. also on the programme tonight, we will be live in paris, where there has been a third straight day of protests after a 17—year—old boy was shot dead by french police on tuesday. a huge police presence has been

deployed across the capital. and a landmark decision in the us supreme court — colleges and universities can no longer consider race as a factor when looking at admissions. but first to that decision in the court of appeal. three seniorjudges ruled, by a majority, that the british government's plan to deport asylum—seekers to rwanda is unlawful, stating that rwanda could not be treated as a safe third country. thejudgment is being seen as a major setback to prime minister rishi sunak and home secretary suella braverman, who have vowed to appeal the decision. let's talk now to dr s chelvan, the head of immigration and public law, 33 bedford row. thank you very much forjoining us. so in terms of how impactful this decision is, is it the end of the road for the rwanda policy orjust a

speed bump? i road for the rwanda policy or “ust a speed bump?- road for the rwanda policy or “ust a speed pumpe_ speed bump? i don't think it's a seed speed bump? i don't think it's a speed bump- — speed bump? i don't think it's a speed bump- i— speed bump? i don't think it's a speed bump. i think— speed bump? i don't think it's a speed bump. i think it's- speed bump? i don't think it's a speed bump. i think it's a - speed bump? i don't think it's a speed bump. i think it's a very i speed bump. i think it's a very important victory for human rights, a victory for refugees and a victory for those of us in the uk who believe the united kingdom must comply with this international treaty obligations. but clearly is not the end of the row because the home secretary and even the prime minister said today they will be looking at filing an application for permission to appeal to the supreme court. but i think it's as if they what we need at this stage, whether there's a need for a pushback against the victimisation and marginalisation of vulnerable groups, specifically refugees. if groups, specifically refugees. if you could unpack something for us, thejudges set sitting the judges set sitting asylum—seekers to micro will be unlawful unless and until the deficiencies in the asylum processes are corrected so that does not sound like it's ruling out this policy, just that rwanda is not a safe place for this policy to be enacted. it

was a split decision, to have in one decision with the lord chief justice, lord burnett, not agree with the majority of the court, which was sir geoffrey voss and lord justice underhill, that the majority accepted that it was clearly an unsafe country dissent refugees because there is a real risk that they would not have their asylum claims determined in rwanda and be sent back to their countries of origin, in some instances what is called chaining through a third country, and suffer persecution. this an important thing in relation to the facts, but, yes, they were looking at the facts at the time in the spring of 2022 when the rwanda policy was starting to commence, and importantly they did except that rwanda's government was acting in good faith but on the fact and the evidence before the court and looking at litigation, they found that rwanda is not a safe country

for refugees to be sent to. so can the government _ for refugees to be sent to. so can the government still— for refugees to be sent to. so can the government still push - for refugees to be sent to. so can the government still push this - the government still push this policy through by picking into the country, another third country, to send asylum—seekers to? we have heard from many human rights organisations that their concern is the uk is abdicating an international responsibility, and that at the core of this, so it's not really about where they are set but the fact that they are sent somewhere at all.— but the fact that they are sent somewhere at all. yes, we are at a very dangerous _ somewhere at all. yes, we are at a very dangerous time _ somewhere at all. yes, we are at a very dangerous time in _ somewhere at all. yes, we are at a very dangerous time in relation - somewhere at all. yes, we are at a very dangerous time in relation to l very dangerous time in relation to our compliance with international treaties especially the refugee convention. if an individual comes to the united kingdom and claims asylum commit we have a duty under the refugee convention to determine their asylum claim to provide them sanctuary if they have a well—founded fear of persecution. and that's what deep shift in the politics untiljune 2022, anybody who arrived in the united kingdom, evenif who arrived in the united kingdom, even if they did not have or there was no peace to come to the uk to claim asylum come as they could arrive at the border and claim

asylum at the border and they would have their claim determine. but we do know with all these claims with the rwanda policy is its caustic government about £159,000 per person to send them to rwanda and that is what the equality impact assessment published earlier this week said. but, yes, of course to get you another country but clearly because we have the checks and balances with not only our house of lords where we see what is happening with illegal migration bill there and the debates in the house of lords this week, but also our independent courts and judges. also our independent courts and 'uddes. ., , also our independent courts and 'uddes. . , ., also our independent courts and 'uddes. . , . ., , judges. certainly a hotly debated issue. judges. certainly a hotly debated issue- stay _ judges. certainly a hotly debated issue. stay with _ judges. certainly a hotly debated issue. stay with us, _ judges. certainly a hotly debated issue. stay with us, i'm - judges. certainly a hotly debated issue. stay with us, i'm going . judges. certainly a hotly debated issue. stay with us, i'm going to | issue. stay with us, i'm going to bring in our panel. jenny and also rina, republican strategist, welcome to both of you. jenny, this is a hot topic in the uk and of course something that the prime minister and home secretary have put very high—stakes on. and home secretary have put very high-stakes on.— high-stakes on. absolutely, it's a bid blow high-stakes on. absolutely, it's a big blow for _ high-stakes on. absolutely, it's a big blow for the _ high-stakes on. absolutely, it's a big blow for the prime _ high-stakes on. absolutely, it's a big blow for the prime minister i high-stakes on. absolutely, it's a i big blow for the prime minister and his government. it was at the heart of the _ his government. it was at the heart of the illegal immigration bill, and

the prime — of the illegal immigration bill, and the prime minister made five pledges to the _ the prime minister made five pledges to the contrary, that he said he would fulfil before the next election. two of them are already but looking very promising, his place _ but looking very promising, his place to— but looking very promising, his place to have inflation and his pledge — place to have inflation and his pledge to put new that would stop the boats. this attempt to sue people — the boats. this attempt to sue peordte to _ the boats. this attempt to sue people to rwanda has already cost this country £140 million and it's looking — this country £140 million and it's looking like a kind of very expensive gimmick that has not deterred — expensive gimmick that has not deterred people from trying to cross the channel in these very dangerous boats _ the channel in these very dangerous boats and — the channel in these very dangerous boats. and is now looking unworkable. it's symbol of doing something, this law, but i don't think— something, this law, but i don't think there are many outside government who thought it had a good chance _ government who thought it had a good chance of— government who thought it had a good chance of going through. there are many— chance of going through. there are many conservative backbenchers now who think _ many conservative backbenchers now who think this is another reason why we should _ who think this is another reason why we should withdraw from the jurisdiction of the european court of human — jurisdiction of the european court of human rights and the home secretary herself is incredibly forthright in saying that the legal system _ forthright in saying that the legal system is ready to the british

people — system is ready to the british people because the european court of human _ people because the european court of human rights means that a system like the _ human rights means that a system like the rwanda policy is unworkable. and this is really dangerous, i think. unworkable. and this is really dangerous, ithink. i unworkable. and this is really dangerous, i think. i think it's realty— dangerous, i think. i think it's really dangerous for us as the country— really dangerous for us as the country to— really dangerous for us as the country to say that we disapprove of the european court of human rights because _ the european court of human rights because it _ the european court of human rights because it comes up with some inconveniences for us in the short term, _ inconveniences for us in the short term, that — inconveniences for us in the short term, that there are short—term gains _ term, that there are short—term gains we — term, that there are short—term gains we would like to make an the law gets _ gains we would like to make an the law gets in — gains we would like to make an the law gets in the way. that puts us in the same _ law gets in the way. that puts us in the same territory as russia disrepair— the same territory as russia disrepair disobey its international treaties _ disrepair disobey its international treaties and rip up loss. so this may— treaties and rip up loss. so this may not— treaties and rip up loss. so this may not be _ treaties and rip up loss. so this may not be over. there is going to be a _ may not be over. there is going to be a lot— may not be over. there is going to be a lot of— may not be over. there is going to be a lot of clambering on the conservative backbenchers for us to withdraw _ conservative backbenchers for us to withdraw from the european court of human _ withdraw from the european court of human rights and some support among some ministers for it. it will be very— some ministers for it. it will be very frustrating for the prime minister— very frustrating for the prime minister and this is not over yet. no, it— minister and this is not over yet. no, it certainly does not seem to be. and, rina, there is an international dimension to this, of

course. there are 110 million people displaced globally and this is a country have to deal with in some way. country have to deal with in some wa . , , . , , . ., way. yes, these new mass migration datterns way. yes, these new mass migration patterns are — way. yes, these new mass migration patterns are happening _ way. yes, these new mass migration patterns are happening worldwide i patterns are happening worldwide should _ patterns are happening worldwide should be — patterns are happening worldwide should be of— patterns are happening worldwide should be of great _ patterns are happening worldwide should be of great concern - patterns are happening worldwide should be of great concern not - patterns are happening worldwide | should be of great concern notjust of the _ should be of great concern notjust of the uk, — should be of great concern notjust ofthe uk, but— should be of great concern notjust of the uk, but divorce _ should be of great concern notjust of the uk, but divorce the - should be of great concern notjust of the uk, but divorce the us - of the uk, but divorce the us as welt _ of the uk, but divorce the us as welt when— of the uk, but divorce the us as welt when you _ of the uk, but divorce the us as well. when you are _ of the uk, but divorce the us as well. when you are a _ of the uk, but divorce the us asi well. when you are a superpower of the uk, but divorce the us as- well. when you are a superpower of the world _ well. when you are a superpower of the world stage. _ well. when you are a superpower of the world stage, you _ well. when you are a superpower of the world stage, you have - well. when you are a superpower of the world stage, you have a - well. when you are a superpower of the world stage, you have a real- the world stage, you have a real responsibiiity_ the world stage, you have a real responsibility to _ the world stage, you have a real responsibility to act _ the world stage, you have a real| responsibility to act responsibly. and i_ responsibility to act responsibly. and i think— responsibility to act responsibly. and i think a _ responsibility to act responsibly. and i think a lot— responsibility to act responsibly. and i think a lot of— responsibility to act responsibly. and i think a lot of that - responsibility to act responsibly. and i think a lot of that how- responsibility to act responsibly. and i think a lot of that how we. responsibility to act responsibly. i and i think a lot of that how we in the us— and i think a lot of that how we in the us deai— and i think a lot of that how we in the us deal with migrants - and i think a lot of that how we in the us deal with migrants that. and i think a lot of that how we in. the us deal with migrants that want to enter— the us deal with migrants that want to enter countries _ the us deal with migrants that want to enter countries without _ the us deal with migrants that want to enter countries without a - the us deal with migrants that want to enter countries without a legal. to enter countries without a legal basis, _ to enter countries without a legal basis, because _ to enter countries without a legal basis, because that's _ to enter countries without a legal basis, because that's also - to enter countries without a legal basis, because that's also a - to enter countries without a legal basis, because that's also a hot i basis, because that's also a hot topic— basis, because that's also a hot topic here — basis, because that's also a hot topic here stateside. _ basis, because that's also a hot topic here stateside. when- basis, because that's also a hot topic here stateside. when i- basis, because that's also a hot . topic here stateside. when i think about— topic here stateside. when i think about titie — topic here stateside. when i think about titie 42. _ topic here stateside. when i think about title 42, which _ topic here stateside. when i think about title 42, which is _ topic here stateside. when i think about title 42, which is a - topic here stateside. when i think about title 42, which is a public. about title 42, which is a public health— about title 42, which is a public health restriction— about title 42, which is a public health restriction that - about title 42, which is a public| health restriction that impacted migrants — health restriction that impacted migrants on _ health restriction that impacted migrants on the _ health restriction that impacted migrants on the us _ health restriction that impacted migrants on the us — _ health restriction that impacted migrants on the us — mexico i health restriction that impacted - migrants on the us — mexico border, the southern — migrants on the us — mexico border, the southern border— migrants on the us — mexico border, the southern border here, _ migrants on the us — mexico border, the southern border here, which- migrants on the us — mexico border, the southern border here, which that title 42 _ the southern border here, which that title 42 expired — the southern border here, which that title 42 expired in— the southern border here, which that title 42 expired in the _ the southern border here, which that title 42 expired in the middle - the southern border here, which that title 42 expired in the middle of- title 42 expired in the middle of may this— title 42 expired in the middle of may this year. _ title 42 expired in the middle of maythis year. i— title 42 expired in the middle of may this year, i think _ title 42 expired in the middle of may this year, i think a - title 42 expired in the middle of may this year, i think a great i title 42 expired in the middle of. may this year, i think a great deal about— may this year, i think a great deal about how— may this year, i think a great deal about how we _ may this year, i think a great deal about how we move _ may this year, i think a great deal about how we move forward - may this year, i think a great deal about how we move forward as i may this year, i think a great deal about how we move forward as a i about how we move forward as a country — about how we move forward as a country and _ about how we move forward as a country. and what _ about how we move forward as a country. and what is _ about how we move forward as a country. and what is our- country. and what is our responsibility— country. and what is our responsibility as - country. and what is our responsibility as i - country. and what is our responsibility as i just i country. and what is our- responsibility as i just alluded country. and what is our- responsibility as ijust alluded to? we have _ responsibility as ijust alluded to? we have a — responsibility as ijust alluded to? we have a great— responsibility as ijust alluded to? we have a great responsibility- responsibility as ijust alluded to? we have a great responsibility to. we have a great responsibility to those _ we have a great responsibility to those folks — we have a great responsibility to those folks who _ we have a great responsibility to those folks who are _ we have a great responsibility to those folks who are leaving - we have a great responsibility to| those folks who are leaving areas

that are _ those folks who are leaving areas that are not — those folks who are leaving areas that are not just _ those folks who are leaving areas that are not just do _ those folks who are leaving areas that are not just do to _ those folks who are leaving areas that are not just do to violence, i that are not just do to violence, like we — that are not just do to violence, like we see _ that are not just do to violence, like we see in— that are not just do to violence, like we see in the _ that are not just do to violence, like we see in the southern- that are not just do to violence, like we see in the southern part that are not just do to violence, i like we see in the southern part of the western— like we see in the southern part of the western hemisphere - like we see in the southern part of the western hemisphere here. - like we see in the southern part of| the western hemisphere here. but like we see in the southern part of- the western hemisphere here. but we are going _ the western hemisphere here. but we are going to— the western hemisphere here. but we are going to have _ the western hemisphere here. but we are going to have a _ the western hemisphere here. but we are going to have a climate _ the western hemisphere here. but we are going to have a climate crisis, - are going to have a climate crisis, people _ are going to have a climate crisis, people facing _ are going to have a climate crisis, people facing great _ are going to have a climate crisis, people facing great famine - are going to have a climate crisis, people facing great famine and i are going to have a climate crisis, | people facing great famine and we talk about— people facing great famine and we talk about african _ people facing great famine and we talk about african migrants, - people facing great famine and we talk about african migrants, here i people facing great famine and we. talk about african migrants, here in the us, _ talk about african migrants, here in the us, what— talk about african migrants, here in the us, what i— talk about african migrants, here in the us, what i am _ talk about african migrants, here in the us, what i am struck— talk about african migrants, here in the us, what i am struck by- talk about african migrants, here in the us, what i am struck by is- the us, what i am struck by is a lack— the us, what i am struck by is a lack of— the us, what i am struck by is a lack of confidence _ the us, what i am struck by is a lack of confidence about - the us, what i am struck by is a lack of confidence about how i the us, what i am struck by is al lack of confidence about how it's not so _ lack of confidence about how it's not so far— lack of confidence about how it's not so faraway _ lack of confidence about how it's not so far away. so _ lack of confidence about how it's not so far away. so to _ lack of confidence about how it's not so far away. so to hear- lack of confidence about how it's not so far away. so to hear in i not so far away. so to hear in the us where — not so far away. so to hear in the us where we _ not so far away. so to hear in the us where we are _ not so far away. so to hear in the us where we are focusing - not so far away. so to hear in the us where we are focusing reallyi not so far away. so to hear in the i us where we are focusing really now on title _ us where we are focusing really now on title eight. — us where we are focusing really now on title eight, and _ us where we are focusing really now on title eight, and because - us where we are focusing really now on title eight, and because title - us where we are focusing really now on title eight, and because title 42. on title eight, and because title 42 was lifted — on title eight, and because title 42 was lifted as — on title eight, and because title 42 was lifted as i_ on title eight, and because title 42 was lifted as ijust _ on title eight, and because title 42 was lifted as ijust mentioned, - on title eight, and because title 42 was lifted as ijust mentioned, our| was lifted as ijust mentioned, our head _ was lifted as ijust mentioned, our head of— was lifted as ijust mentioned, our head of homeland _ was lifted as ijust mentioned, our head of homeland security- was lifted as ijust mentioned, our head of homeland security has - was lifted as ijust mentioned, our. head of homeland security has really warned _ head of homeland security has really warned about — head of homeland security has really warned about that _ head of homeland security has really warned about that code _ head of homeland security has really warned about that code known - head of homeland security has really warned about that code known as . warned about that code known as title eight — warned about that code known as title eight and _ warned about that code known as title eight and he _ warned about that code known as title eight and he is _ warned about that code known as title eight and he is saying - warned about that code known as title eight and he is saying it - title eight and he is saying it would — title eight and he is saying it would carry— title eight and he is saying it would carry more _ title eight and he is saying it would carry more severe - title eight and he is saying it _ would carry more severe consequences for migrants _ would carry more severe consequences for migrants who— would carry more severe consequences for migrants who have _ would carry more severe consequences for migrants who have been _ would carry more severe consequences for migrants who have been found - would carry more severe consequences for migrants who have been found to l for migrants who have been found to enter— for migrants who have been found to enter the _ for migrants who have been found to enter the us — for migrants who have been found to enter the us without _ for migrants who have been found to enter the us without a _ for migrants who have been found to enter the us without a legal- for migrants who have been found to enter the us without a legal basis. . enter the us without a legal basis. again _ enter the us without a legal basis. again that— enter the us without a legal basis. again that legal— enter the us without a legal basis. again that legal basis _ enter the us without a legal basis. again that legal basis is _ enter the us without a legal basis. again that legal basis is really- again that legal basis is really what — again that legal basis is really what we — again that legal basis is really what we centre _ again that legal basis is really what we centre our— again that legal basis is really. what we centre our conversations around _ what we centre our conversations around here, _ what we centre our conversations around here, and— what we centre our conversations around here, and i'm _ what we centre our conversations around here, and i'm really- what we centre our conversations l around here, and i'm really worried about— around here, and i'm really worried about how— around here, and i'm really worried about how irresponsible _ around here, and i'm really worried about how irresponsible that - around here, and i'm really worried about how irresponsible that is - about how irresponsible that is because — about how irresponsible that is because we _ about how irresponsible that is because we don't _ about how irresponsible that is because we don't take - about how irresponsible that is because we don't take into - because we don't take into consideration— because we don't take into consideration how- because we don't take into consideration how these i because we don't take into - consideration how these refugees genuinely— consideration how these refugees genuinely are _ consideration how these refugees genuinely are fleeing _ consideration how these refugees genuinely are fleeing situations . consideration how these refugees . genuinely are fleeing situations and circumstances — genuinely are fleeing situations and circumstances that— genuinely are fleeing situations and circumstances that were _

genuinely are fleeing situations and circumstances that were not - genuinely are fleeing situations and | circumstances that were not treated by themselves — circumstances that were not treated by themselves and _ circumstances that were not treated by themselves and buy _ circumstances that were not treated by themselves and buy anything - circumstances that were not treated by themselves and buy anything of. by themselves and buy anything of that responsibility. _ by themselves and buy anything of that responsibility. and _ by themselves and buy anything of that responsibility. and what - by themselves and buy anything of that responsibility. and what is - by themselves and buy anything of| that responsibility. and what is our response but— that responsibility. and what is our response but if— that responsibility. and what is our response but if been— that responsibility. and what is our response but if been in— that responsibility. and what is our response but if been in care - that responsibility. and what is our response but if been in care of- response but if been in care of those — response but if been in care of those folks? _ response but if been in care of those folks? so _ response but if been in care of those folks? so i— response but if been in care of those folks? so i am - response but if been in care of those folks? so i am very - response but if been in care of- those folks? so i am very concerned about _ those folks? so i am very concerned about how _ those folks? so i am very concerned about how the — those folks? so i am very concerned about how the prime _ those folks? so i am very concerned about how the prime minister- those folks? so i am very concerned | about how the prime minister moves forward _ about how the prime minister moves forward and — about how the prime minister moves forward and the _ about how the prime minister moves forward and the administration, - about how the prime minister moves forward and the administration, and i forward and the administration, and ithink— forward and the administration, and i think we _ forward and the administration, and ithinkwe here _ forward and the administration, and i think we here stateside _ forward and the administration, and i think we here stateside really- i think we here stateside really stand _ i think we here stateside really stand to — i think we here stateside really stand to gain— i think we here stateside really stand to gain a _ i think we here stateside really stand to gain a lot _ i think we here stateside really stand to gain a lot of— i think we here stateside reallyi stand to gain a lot of knowledge from _ stand to gain a lot of knowledge from how — stand to gain a lot of knowledge from how this _ stand to gain a lot of knowledge from how this situation - stand to gain a lot of knowledge from how this situation with - stand to gain a lot of knowledge from how this situation with the| from how this situation with the rwanda — from how this situation with the rwanda refugees— from how this situation with the rwanda refugees is— from how this situation with the rwanda refugees is dealt- from how this situation with the rwanda refugees is dealt with i from how this situation with the| rwanda refugees is dealt with in from how this situation with the - rwanda refugees is dealt with in the coming _ rwanda refugees is dealt with in the coming days— rwanda refugees is dealt with in the coming days and _ rwanda refugees is dealt with in the coming days and weeks. _ rwanda refugees is dealt with in the coming days and weeks. find - rwanda refugees is dealt with in the coming days and weeks.— rwanda refugees is dealt with in the coming days and weeks. and on that doint of coming days and weeks. and on that point of responsibility, _ coming days and weeks. and on that point of responsibility, what - coming days and weeks. and on that point of responsibility, what are - point of responsibility, what are the safe legal routes or people just concentrating on policies to keep migrants out? . concentrating on policies to keep migrants out?— migrants out? , well the illegal midration migrants out? , well the illegal migration bill— migrants out? , well the illegal migration bill is _ migrants out? , well the illegal migration bill is not _ migrants out? , well the illegal migration bill is not about - migrants out? , well the illegal- migration bill is not about stopping the boats but about stopping refugees. with the government should be doing is opening up safe legal routes in the number of safe and legal routes and relation to settlement programmes are members limited to countries such as ukraine, syria, afghanistan, hong kong, and we saw there was a loss of opportunity for sudan. so what we really need to do is wake up and make sure that refugees are

protected, and that's with the checks and balances in relation to our pilot entry system i look forward to hearing a wonderful thing to see it yesterday with the house of lords putting in amendments to the illegal migration bill to make sure that uk will comply with the international treaty obligations and what we need to look forward to is a change of thinking and that may arise from a change of administration. bill arise from a change of administration. �* ., administration. all right, doctor, ve dood administration. all right, doctor, very good to _ administration. all right, doctor, very good to have _ administration. all right, doctor, very good to have your _ administration. all right, doctor, | very good to have your thoughts, head of immigration and public law at 33 bedford row, thank you for joining us. we will keep our planet with us and thanks to you for a nap and turned to our next story. let's turn now to paris, where a policeman has been charged and remanded in custody following the killing of a 17—year—old boy named as nahel who was shot dead by an officer on tuesday. thousands of people have been marching through the streets of the paris suburb of nanterre to remember the teenager. this was the scene in the french capital last night. rioters clashed with police as cars were overturned and set alight. on tuesday, a video captured the police officer pointing his gun

at the driver before pulling the trigger at point—blank range. he died shortly afterwards. the french government has announced that 40,000 police officers are being deployed across the country tonight. at a crisis meeting with senior ministers, president emmanuel macron my colleague rajini vaidyanathan is in paris for us. what have you witnessed today? well, we are now drawing _ what have you witnessed today? well, we are now drawing into _ what have you witnessed today? in we are now drawing into what could be a third night of clashes. we are already hearing reports that there have been some disturbances here in paris and we are also get reports from other parts of the country, for example in marseille and other parts of france, where there has already been reports of some serious unrest. now in terms of how the day unfolded here, earlier today and there was a march here in nanterre. nahel placement mother addressed the crowd

here and more than 6000 people gathered for that march also important to say that marx was largely peaceful and i spoke to some other people who attended that march. they said that they were there because they wanted to send a message to the authorities that did not feel that the police who are there to protect them, to keep them safe, were actually doing thatjob. and it's quite quiet on the streets here in nanterre this evening. in a lot of restaurants and some of the parts of this neighbourhood shut early and what is positive again as well is you've got things like the buses and the trams here in the city. forthe buses and the trams here in the city. for the first time in a long time, we have been told they have all been shut down, so it really is some part of the city have a ground to a halt in anticipation of the possibility of renewed violence. and possibility of renewed violence. and of course as — possibility of renewed violence. and of course as we mentioned earlier,

thousands of police have been deployed, but how likely is it looking that there will be any further escalation of violence? well, as i was saying, there has already been some flare—ups, so across the country we have heard reports as i mentioned in marseille, for example, of violence already this evening. and crucially, as well, after that march which i said was largely peaceful, after they ended, there was some disruption and violence and vandalism here in nanterre. we went to one building, and office complex we thought it was, that was smashed up, the windows were shattered. we can see rocks and stones and had clearly been used to throw at people. and there were other parts of that area that had been set on fire, people had satellite rubbish and tires so there were lots of fire engines in there were lots of fire engines in the area earlier as well. it was not

large—scale, but it was disruption and we also heard reports in nanterre of a bank also being vandalized, so is already ramping up and we are only at the start of the evening here. of course what the police is trying to do with is slitted police presence, 40,000 as you say, is to try and deter people from coming out onto the streets, but it's important to say people that i spoke to say that they were there peacefully protesting have a real problem with the way that they say they are policed, particularly people in these neighbourhoods and almost everyone that i spoke to from the march was a very diverse crowd but i spoke to people from ethnically diverse backgrounds who feel that sometimes their communities are the ones who are targeted. and one thing that's come up targeted. and one thing that's come up in a lot of conversations is the fact that that nahel�*s shooting was captured on film. it was failed and people could see that moment will stop and their people carrying banners at the march today saying

how many other macro too are there they have not been call on camera so people believe this is a deeper rooted issue. that is why we are seeing more violence and that is why this is an issue that has in many ways become more thanjust this is an issue that has in many ways become more than just about nahel. it's become about people's disenchantment with the government on this issue in a number of issues and so there is a real challenge now for france puppet government and what they can do or what anybody can do to try and dampen down what seems to be more growing discontent. bill to be more growing discontent. all right, thank you for that update from paris. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's take a look at some other stories making news in the uk. billpayers dipped into bank and savings accounts at a record level in may, prompting warnings from charities about the ongoing high cost of living. there was £4.6 billion more withdrawn than paid into bank and building society accounts,

the bank of england said. that was the highest level seen since comparable records began 26 years ago. nicola sturgeon has said that she still worries about whether scotland lacked resources such as ppe to cope with the covid—19 pandemic. the former first minister was giving evidence to the uk's covid inquiry. she highlighted that her government tried to suppress the virus as much as possible, rather than deciding to live with it. a former seniorjudge says an undercover police unit which was used from the 19605 to 19805 to infiltrate political and activist groups should have been disbanded early on. in his first report, sirjohn mitting is highly critical of the methods of the metropolitan police's special demonstration squad, which included officers using dead children's names to create false identities. you're live with bbc news. in a landmark ruling, the us supreme court has banned the use of race and ethnicity

in university admissions, dealing a major blow to a decades—old practice that boosted educational opportunities for african—americans and other minorities. activists opposed to affirmative action say the admissions policies at harvard and the university of north carolina discriminate against asian—americans. the policies were designed to increase the number of black, latino and native american students. it's the latest landmark ruling by the conservative—dominated supreme court which is also the most diverse in us history. 0ur correspondentjess parker spoke to us earlier. us presidentjoe biden has expresed his disagreement with the supreme court decision. we are nowjoined by andrew brennen, who graduated from the university of north carolina at chapel hill in 2019. unc is one of the schools who were taken to the supreme court in this case, and andrew is one of the student interveners in this case who testified at the district court level. thank you very much forjoining us,

andrew. what is your reaction to what we have heard from the court today? what we have heard from the court toda ? ., ., ., what we have heard from the court toda ? ., ~ ., �*, . today? you know, it's a disappointing _ today? you know, it's a disappointing ruling - today? you know, it's a. disappointing ruling from today? you know, it's a - disappointing ruling from the today? you know, it's a _ disappointing ruling from the court today that in my view is out of step with decades of precedent that backs up with decades of precedent that backs up the holistic use of race in admissions. but i want to draw focus to one paragraph in the majority opinion from justice roberts that says nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant's discussion of how traits affected his or her life be it through discrimination, inspiration or otherwise. so what that line means to me, what it should mean to civil rights activists, campus administrators and student organisers is that we should still be doing everything we can to preserve diversity in our college

and university campuses and at the door has not been entirely closed to the use of race in college admissions.— the use of race in college admissions. �* �* ., ., admissions. 0k, well, andrew bloom, the admissions. ok, well, andrew bloom, the founder— admissions. 0k, well, andrew bloom, the founder for _ admissions. 0k, well, andrew bloom, the founder for students _ admissions. 0k, well, andrew bloom, the founder for students for _ admissions. 0k, well, andrew bloom, the founder for students for fair - the founder for students for fair admissions, the founderfor students forfair admissions, the group behind the two lawsuits, he argued that you cannot remedy past discrimination with new discrimination. what do you think of that view? i discrimination. what do you think of that view? ., �* , ., discrimination. what do you think of that view? ~ �* , ~ ., j~:: that view? i think it's kind of 80 some construction. _ that view? i think it's kind of 80 some construction. when - that view? i think it's kind of 80 some construction. when we . that view? i think it's kind of 80 l some construction. when we have heard that throughout the debate surrounding affirmative action this idea that for a black student to be admitted to college or a university must necessarily come at the expense of a potentially more qualified white student. what i think that construction misses a what's been at stake throughout this debate is that were we not to preserve racial diversity on our college campuses and universities, both the white student and the black student faced the threat of a week democracy. 0ur democracy requires institutions like

our business leadership, government leadership, even military leadership reflect the diversity of our growing and diversifying the nation and affirmative action policies, race conscious admission policies ensure that to be the case. 50 conscious admission policies ensure that to be the case.— that to be the case. so what do you think will be — that to be the case. so what do you think will be the _ that to be the case. so what do you think will be the effect of— that to be the case. so what do you think will be the effect of this? - think will be the effect of this? you said before that diversity allows students to learn that there is no minority viewpoint, but a variety of viewpoints. is that what you feel is it riskier? you variety of viewpoints. is that what you feel is it riskier?— you feel is it riskier? you know, what i you feel is it riskier? you know, what i feel— you feel is it riskier? you know, what i feel is _ you feel is it riskier? you know, what i feel is at _ you feel is it riskier? you know, what i feel is at risk— you feel is it riskier? you know, what i feel is at risk is _ you feel is it riskier? you know, what i feel is at risk is that - what i feel is at risk is that students won't have the opportunity to learn with and alongside folks that are of different races than them. you know, ifear that this ruling will give some folks the opportunity to pull back on diversity efforts and to pull back on efforts to support students of colour on campus with them and so what i'm hoping the message be sent its response to this ruling we need

to be doing more to hold these folks accountable, to ensure that we can be preserving racial diversity on couege be preserving racial diversity on college nemesis with that without the student at unc, the school was 11% black in a state of the fair a lot of that was 22% black was of up in the south, and the first confederate rally i ever saw was on campus at unc chapel hill. these campuses have a long ways to go when it comes to reaching the level of diversity that is necessary and this will a step backwards is not the end of that fight. {lilia will a step backwards is not the end of that fight-— of that fight. ok, it's really good to edt of that fight. ok, it's really good to get your _ of that fight. ok, it's really good to get your view _ of that fight. ok, it's really good to get your view today, - of that fight. ok, it's really good to get your view today, andrew, | to get your view today, andrew, thank you, graduate from the university of north carolina, which is of course one of the schools that were taken to the supreme court on this. let's go back to our panel now. i have still gotjenny and rina with me. rina, what is your response to this? president by the said in his response is one of the problems here is affirmative action is highly

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devastated by these decisions in . particular, and feeling that they've lost hope — particular, and feeling that they've lost hope in — particular, and feeling that they've lost hope in the _ particular, and feeling that they've lost hope in the this— particular, and feeling that they've lost hope in the this is— particular, and feeling that they've lost hope in the this is a _ particular, and feeling that they've lost hope in the this is a step - particular, and feeling that they've lost hope in the this is a step back| lost hope in the this is a step back in time, _ lost hope in the this is a step back in time, i— lost hope in the this is a step back intime, hust— lost hope in the this is a step back in time, ijust want _ lost hope in the this is a step back in time, ijust want to _ lost hope in the this is a step back in time, ijust want to say - lost hope in the this is a step back in time, ijust want to say i - lost hope in the this is a step back in time, ijust want to say i see i in time, ijust want to say i see

you, _ in time, ijust want to say i see you. i— in time, ijust want to say i see you. i hear— in time, ijust want to say i see you. i hear you _ in time, ijust want to say i see you, i hear you and _ in time, ijust want to say i see you, i hearyou and i— in time, ijust want to say i see| you, i hear you and i appreciate those _ you, i hear you and i appreciate those concerns because - you, i hear you and i appreciate those concerns because i- you, i hear you and i appreciate those concerns because i have. you, i hear you and i appreciate i those concerns because i have some of those concerts _ those concerns because i have some of those concerts. what _ those concerns because i have some of those concerts. what i— those concerns because i have some of those concerts. what i believe i of those concerts. what i believe this case — of those concerts. what i believe this case has— of those concerts. what i believe this case has done, _ of those concerts. what i believe this case has done, though, i of those concerts. what i believe i this case has done, though, however, is really— this case has done, though, however, is really amped — this case has done, though, however, is really amped up— this case has done, though, however, is really amped up this _ this case has done, though, however, is really amped up this negativity- is really amped up this negativity between — is really amped up this negativity between black— is really amped up this negativity between black americans - is really amped up this negativity between black americans and i is really amped up this negativity. between black americans and asian americans— between black americans and asian americans and _ between black americans and asian americans and i— between black americans and asian americans and i think _ between black americans and asian americans and i think it's— between black americans and asian americans and i think it's putting i americans and i think it's putting the two _ americans and i think it's putting the two groups _ americans and i think it's putting the two groups against _ americans and i think it's putting the two groups against one - americans and i think it's putting. the two groups against one another falsely— the two groups against one another falsely and — the two groups against one another falsely and created _ the two groups against one another falsely and created a _ the two groups against one another falsely and created a false - falsely and created a false dichotomyw _ falsely and created a false dichotomy. . ._ falsely and created a false dichotom , ., ., dichotomy... just on that point, sor the dichotomy... just on that point, sorry the but — dichotomy... just on that point, sorry the but in _ dichotomy... just on that point, sorry the but in but _ dichotomy. .. just on that point, sorry the but in but if— dichotomy... just on that point, sorry the but in but if i - dichotomy... just on that point, sorry the but in but if i can - dichotomy... just on that point, | sorry the but in but ifi can bring sorry the but in but if i can bring injenny because one of the things we did see is asian americans celebrating this as a win, to rina placement point of creating division. ~ , . placement point of creating division. ~ , , , , division. well, yes, they might see it as a win if— division. well, yes, they might see it as a win if they _ division. well, yes, they might see it as a win if they feel— division. well, yes, they might see it as a win if they feel that - division. well, yes, they might see it as a win if they feel that they - it as a win if they feel that they are hot— it as a win if they feel that they are not getting places that their ability— are not getting places that their ability to— are not getting places that their ability to get places is at the expense _ ability to get places is at the expense of the black americans who were getting these places are getting — were getting these places are getting at their expense, i mean to say. necessarily the case and from what _ say. necessarily the case and from what i _ say. necessarily the case and from what i can— say. necessarily the case and from what i can tell, this is about making _ what i can tell, this is about making sure the colleges reflect the diversity— making sure the colleges reflect the diversity in the wider population. young _ diversity in the wider population.

young people need to be exposed to college _ young people need to be exposed to college campuses that reflect the world _ college campuses that reflect the world they are living in. yes, college campuses that reflect the world they are living in.— world they are living in. yes, as i re orted world they are living in. yes, as i reported out _ world they are living in. yes, as i reported out earlier. _ world they are living in. yes, as i reported out earlier. 11% - world they are living in. yes, as i reported out earlier. 11% of - world they are living in. yes, as i reported out earlier. 11% of black| reported out earlier. 11% of black people in 20% of the population of the state. that's what he feels is the state. that's what he feels is the crux of this. thank you to both and stay with us on bbc news. hello there. it wasn't the most promising start to the day on thursday. a lot of cloud around for central and eastern areas with some rain, too. but that all cleared out of the way, and the air turned fresher through the day with these sunnier skies working in for most of us, so didn't end up being too bad. there's the weather front then that brought the early morning rain, and that was significant rain for some. for example, in parts of essex, in andrews field, we had 12 millimetres of rain, half an inch recorded in the space of six hours. this was actually more rain than we'd seen for the whole of the month ofjune. before this, there'd only been seven

millimetres falling. it has been very dry for parts of eastern england. overnight tonight, well, initially we've got clear spells and a fresh feel to the weather, so not a bad start to the night, but it will be turning progressively damper and more humid from the west as we go through the second part of the night. so eventually, it'll start to turn out to be quite muggy. along with that more humid air that will be pushing in as we go through friday, we will have some low cloud, some mist and fog patches around some of our western coasts and hills, and spots of drizzle falling pretty much anywhere, but particularly so in the west. a bit of heavy rain for a time into western areas of scotland. so completely different day today, sunshine certainly in short supply and a muggy feel to the weather. temperatures for the most part between 18—21 celsius. the weekend weather prospects — we start to lose that muggy air as a cold front works its way in through the night. and then, saturday and sunday, we're in this basically west—northwesterly airflow. so a fresher feel to the weather returns as we go through saturday morning. there will be quite a brisk wind with us throughout the whole of the weekend,

and close to an area of low pressure to the north of scotland. here, we'll see showers or some longer spells of rain across the northwest. a few showers getting into the north west of england and northern ireland, but moving through with time, there'll be some sunshine — the driest and brightest weather through the afternoon across more southern parts of england and wales. it'll still feel quite warm where the sunshine pops out. and it's a similar story, really, on sunday — again, there'll be some longer spells of rain across the north west of scotland, else a few showers across the northern half of the uk. the driest, sunniest weather further south. still quite windy, temperatures for the most part between 17—23 celsius, but turning a bit cooler in the northwest of scotland. into next week, low pressure stays close to the north of the uk. so it's a case of quite unsettled weather with showers, or some longer spells of rain in the north.

hello, i'm nancy kacungira. you're watching the context on bbc news. joe biden takes his re—election campaign to new york, as he attempts to sell his plan to boost the economy to voters. but will they buy bidenomics? but will they buy bidenomics? welcome back. us presidentjoe biden is on the campaign trail as he seeks re—election. yesterday, he was in chicago, where he unveiled plans for the economy

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