all this comes as he sees his ratings take a hit amidst voter anxieties about the direction of the economy. according to the latest polling, his ratings stand at 49%. that's still ahead of donald trump, who is leading the race in the republican presidential ticket, at 45%. but it is only a short lead that will have democrats concerned. joining me now is indigo olivier, a reporter for the new republic in the us. thanks forjoining us. president biden making this big push. if i ask you to sum up what bidenomics is, in a quick phrase, could you do that for us, and also how well is that going? for us, and also how well is that auoin ? ., for us, and also how well is that oiiin ? ., , ., for us, and also how well is that iioin? ., �* ., ., for us, and also how well is that ioiin? ., ., ., , for us, and also how well is that going? yeah, so bidenomics is a term that he is kind — going? yeah, so bidenomics is a term that he is kind of _ going? yeah, so bidenomics is a term that he is kind of playing _ going? yeah, so bidenomics is a term that he is kind of playing on _ that he is kind of playing on reaganomics with, and itjust kind of meant to distinguish himself between the austerity led politics

of republican presidents and even obama several years before him, so a push for more government intervention in the economy, more government funding to go to things like manufacturing, education and health care, and that stands in sharp contrast between what obama and trumpeted before him, where they were kind of pushing through really big tax cuts. i think in terms of how we are doing economically, we are leading the g7 in terms of our post—pandemic recovery, and a strong economy is the syllabus in decatur for how an election will come out, with an incoming president, so because there is a strong economy, it looks, looking at past elections, it looks, looking at past elections, it seems likely that biden will win the election if we are going on the past elections, but i'm not sure that sincerely translated into popularity in the polls. you mention

49%. that is on the higher end. he has also been hovering in the low 405, in terms of approval rating, and he should just be doing much better given where we are economically. we have very low unemployment, inflation is slowing, and we are again leading indu5trial nations. it is concerning at the moment. leading industrial nations. it is concerning at the moment. ok, so he is struggling — concerning at the moment. ok, so he is struggling to _ concerning at the moment. ok, so he is struggling to get — concerning at the moment. ok, so he is struggling to get that _ concerning at the moment. ok, so he is struggling to get that message - is struggling to get that message across, it would seem, because of the indicators around him are not looking that positive, but how are people so far re5ponding looking that positive, but how are people so far responding to his message on the economy? i5 people so far responding to his message on the economy? is it well—received? i message on the economy? is it well-received?— message on the economy? is it well- received? well-received? i think people are feelini it. well-received? i think people are feeling it. again, _ well-received? i think people are feeling it. again, like _ well-received? i think people are feeling it. again, like i _ well-received? i think people are feeling it. again, like i said, - feeling it. again, like i said, unemployment is very low, inflation has slowed, but in terms of things like minimum wage, minimum wage has 5tagnated for over a decade, at

around $7.25. there is not a single person working... there is no 5take person working... there is no stake in the stationary per5on person working... there is no stake in the stationary person working a full—time job in the stationary person working a full—timejob on minimum wage can afford a one bedroom apartment. let that sink in full to there's no place in this nation where someone making minimum wage working 40 hours a week can afford a single bedroom apartment, so i think these are longer—term que5tion5, apartment, so i think these are longer—term questions, but, yeah, i don't necessarily think that the strong economy is translating into enthu5ia5tic voter5. that strong economy is translating into enthusiastic voters.— strong economy is translating into enthusiastic voters. that is the key will be looking _ enthusiastic voters. that is the key will be looking very _ enthusiastic voters. that is the key will be looking very closely - enthusiastic voters. that is the key will be looking very closely at. - will be looking very closely at. indigo, 5tay will be looking very closely at. indigo, stay with us. i would like to bring in our panelists indigo, stay with us. i would like to bring in our paneli5t5joining u5 to bring in our paneli5t5joining us again, jenny and rina. jenny, ju5t listening to this, it sounds eerily similar to a message that rishi sunak wa5 similar to a message that rishi sunak was giving, not similar, but ri5hi sunak was giving, not similar, but rishi sunak wa5 sunak was giving, not similar, but rishi sunak was trying to say that his populace should bear the brunt of inflation, hold their nerve and get through this. these are

difficult times and they make it very difficult for politicians. i think they are a bit less difficult forjoe — think they are a bit less difficult forjoe biden, because america does not have _ forjoe biden, because america does not have the same column when document— not have the same column when document problem with inflation as we do _ document problem with inflation as we do in _ document problem with inflation as we do in the uk for they manage to keep inflation down as well as unemployment. it is not quite equivalent, but rishi sunak has a cut of— equivalent, but rishi sunak has a cut of novelty factor which joe biden— cut of novelty factor which joe biden does not have the sub the big question— biden does not have the sub the big question for him is, can people get excited about a biden second term was not _ excited about a biden second term was not there been no primaries, no chance _ was not there been no primaries, no chance for— was not there been no primaries, no chance for him to wow audiences in debates. _ chance for him to wow audiences in debates, and that has not been this looming _ debates, and that has not been this looming opposition of a trumpet continued second term. we still don't _ continued second term. we still don't know either republican nominee is going _ don't know either republican nominee is going to _ don't know either republican nominee is going to be —— trump continued second _ is going to be —— trump continued second term _ is going to be —— trump continued second term. there is not a danger to he _ second term. there is not a danger to be averted yet. he has got a very difficult _ to be averted yet. he has got a very difficult battle when it comes to generating excitement about his campaign. when it comes to the economy, — campaign. when it comes to the economy, i_ campaign. when it comes to the economy, i think things are quite different—

economy, i think things are quite different in— economy, i think things are quite different in the us in the uk. rina, not only does _ different in the us in the uk. rina, not only does joe _ different in the us in the uk. rina, not only does joe biden _ different in the us in the uk. rina, not only does joe biden have - not only doesjoe biden have degenerate excitement, he has to generate funds, he has to raise money for his campaign. he did pretty well back in 2020 and the raising $i pretty well back in 2020 and the raising $1 billion. now, donors are going to be looking for signs of strength, while he is trained to focus people's mines on the economy and bidenomics, the press seems to be focusing on the fact he has marks from his sleep apnea mask on his face while he's out and about. yet. face while he's out and about. yet, increase in — face while he's out and about. yet, increase in american _ face while he's out and about. yet, increase in american politics is becoming _ increase in american politics is becoming more _ increase in american politics is becoming more about - 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decided to throw their hat in for 2024. _ decided to throw their hat in for 2024. but — decided to throw their hat in for 2024, but trump _ decided to throw their hat in for 2024, but trump continues - decided to throw their hat in for 2024, but trump continues hisl looming large. going back to money for a moment, — looming large. going back to money fora moment, yes, _ looming large. going back to money fora moment, yes, the _ looming large. going back to money fora moment, yes, the role - looming large. going back to money for a moment, yes, the role of- looming large. going back to money. for a moment, yes, the role of money in american _ for a moment, yes, the role of money in american politics _ for a moment, yes, the role of money in american politics is _ for a moment, yes, the role of money in american politics is no— for a moment, yes, the role of money in american politics is no secret, - in american politics is no secret, it is massive _ in american politics is no secret, it is massive. we _ in american politics is no secret, it is massive. we had _ in american politics is no secret, it is massive. we had a - in american politics is no secret, it is massive. we had a supreme court _ it is massive. we had a supreme court decision— it is massive. we had a supreme court decision that _ it is massive. we had a supreme court decision that made - it is massive. we had a supreme court decision that made it - it is massive. we had a supreme court decision that made it so. l court decision that made it so. citizens— court decision that made it so. citizens united _ court decision that made it so. citizens united still— court decision that made it so. citizens united still very- court decision that made it so. citizens united still very muchl citizens united still very much rules— citizens united still very much rules the _ citizens united still very much rules the day _ citizens united still very much rules the day. i— citizens united still very much rules the day. i would - citizens united still very much rules the day. i would just - citizens united still very much rules the day. i would just sayj rules the day. i would just say this — rules the day. i would just say this in— rules the day. i would just say this in the _ rules the day. i would just say this. in the moment - rules the day. i would just say this. in the moment when - rules the day. i would just say this. in the moment when we | rules the day. i would just say. this. in the moment when we are talking _ this. in the moment when we are talking about _ this. in the moment when we are talking about feelings, _ this. in the moment when we are talking about feelings, money. this. in the moment when we arei talking about feelings, money has this. in the moment when we are - talking about feelings, money has no place right— talking about feelings, money has no place right now _ talking about feelings, money has no place right now. when— talking about feelings, money has no place right now. when we _ talking about feelings, money has no place right now. when we talk- talking about feelings, money has no place right now. when we talk about| place right now. when we talk about how the _ place right now. when we talk about how the democrats _ place right now. when we talk about how the democrats are _ place right now. when we talk about how the democrats are good - place right now. when we talk about how the democrats are good to - place right now. when we talk about how the democrats are good to pulli how the democrats are good to pull hard for _ how the democrats are good to pull hard for biden _ how the democrats are good to pull hard for biden. he _ how the democrats are good to pull hard for biden. he just _ how the democrats are good to pull hard for biden. he just made - how the democrats are good to pull hard for biden. he just made a - how the democrats are good to pull hard for biden. he just made a big. hard for biden. he just made a big west coast— hard for biden. he just made a big west coast swing _ hard for biden. he just made a big west coast swing going _ hard for biden. he just made a big west coast swing going out - hard for biden. he just made a big west coast swing going out to - west coast swing going out to california _ west coast swing going out to california and _ west coast swing going out to california and making - west coast swing going out to california and making the - west coast swing going out to| california and making the case west coast swing going out to i california and making the case to donors— california and making the case to donors as — california and making the case to donors as to— california and making the case to donors as to why _ california and making the case to donors as to why they— california and making the case to donors as to why they should - california and making the case to donors as to why they should dig | donors as to why they should dig deep _ donors as to why they should dig deep in — donors as to why they should dig deep in their— donors as to why they should dig deep in their pockets _ donors as to why they should dig deep in their pockets for- donors as to why they should dig deep in their pockets for him, i donors as to why they should dig l deep in their pockets for him, but like i_ deep in their pockets for him, but like i said. — deep in their pockets for him, but like i said. we_ deep in their pockets for him, but like i said, we see _ deep in their pockets for him, but like i said, we see a _ deep in their pockets for him, but like i said, we see a real- deep in their pockets for him, but like i said, we see a real stroke . like i said, we see a real stroke against — like i said, we see a real stroke against not _ like i said, we see a real stroke against notjust_ like i said, we see a real stroke against notjust biden - like i said, we see a real stroke against notjust biden but - against notjust biden but truly against — against notjust biden but truly against both— against notjust biden but truly against both sides _ against notjust biden but truly against both sides here. - against notjust biden but truly against both sides here. whatl against notjust biden but truly. against both sides here. what we against notjust biden but truly- against both sides here. what we are gearing up— against both sides here. what we are gearing up for— against both sides here. what we are gearing up for is— against both sides here. what we are gearing up for is a _ against both sides here. what we are gearing up for is a biden _ against both sides here. what we are gearing up for is a biden — _ against both sides here. what we are gearing up for is a biden — trump- gearing up for is a biden — trump rematch — gearing up for is a biden — trump rematch. until— gearing up for is a biden — trump rematch. until someone - gearing up for is a biden — trump rematch. until someone enters. gearing up for is a biden — trump. rematch. until someone enters the picture _ rematch. until someone enters the picture and shows _ rematch. until someone enters the picture and shows that _ rematch. until someone enters the picture and shows that promise - rematch. until someone enters the picture and shows that promise we| picture and shows that promise we need _ picture and shows that promise we need to— picture and shows that promise we need to see — picture and shows that promise we need to see, that— picture and shows that promise we need to see, that is— picture and shows that promise we need to see, that is what - picture and shows that promise we need to see, that is what we - picture and shows that promise we need to see, that is what we are l need to see, that is what we are looking — need to see, that is what we are looking at. — need to see, that is what we are looking at, because _ need to see, that is what we are looking at, because the - need to see, that is what we are | looking at, because the electoral map at— looking at, because the electoral map at some _ looking at, because the electoral map at some point _ looking at, because the electoral map at some point will _ looking at, because the electoral map at some point will make - 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in and get rid of biden— impossible for a challenger to come in and get rid of biden as _ impossible for a challenger to come in and get rid of biden as the - in and get rid of biden as the democratic— in and get rid of biden as the democratic potential- in and get rid of biden as the i democratic potential nominee in and get rid of biden as the - democratic potential nominee and a trump _ democratic potential nominee and a trump as— democratic potential nominee and a trump as if— democratic potential nominee and a trump as if it — democratic potential nominee and a trump as if it into— democratic potential nominee and a trump as if it into nominee - democratic potential nominee and a trump as if it into nominee for- democratic potential nominee and a trump as if it into nominee for the i trump as if it into nominee for the republicans — trump as if it into nominee for the republicans any— trump as if it into nominee for the republicans. any people - trump as if it into nominee for the republicans. any people looked . trump as if it into nominee for thej republicans. any people looked at trump as if it into nominee for the - republicans. any people looked at 40 governor— republicans. any people looked at 40 governor ron — republicans. any people looked at 40 governor ron desantis. _ republicans. any people looked at 40 governor ron desantis. in— republicans. any people looked at 40 governor ron desantis. in him, - republicans. any people looked at 40 governor ron desantis. in him, they. governor ron desantis. in him, they subti _ governor ron desantis. in him, they subti who— governor ron desantis. in him, they subti who had — governor ron desantis. in him, they subti who had a _ governor ron desantis. in him, they subti who had a lot _ governor ron desantis. in him, they subti who had a lot of _ governor ron desantis. in him, they subti who had a lot of favourable - subti who had a lot of favourable ratings _ subti who had a lot of favourable ratings -- — subti who had a lot of favourable ratings -- see _ subti who had a lot of favourable ratings —— see somebody- subti who had a lot of favourable ratings —— see somebody who. subti who had a lot of favourable l ratings —— see somebody who had subti who had a lot of favourable i ratings —— see somebody who had a lot of— ratings —— see somebody who had a lot of terrible — ratings —— see somebody who had a lot of terrible ratings _ ratings —— see somebody who had a lot of terrible ratings in _ ratings —— see somebody who had a lot of terrible ratings in the - lot of terrible ratings in the pandemic— lot of terrible ratings in the pandemic and— lot of terrible ratings in the pandemic and post - lot of terrible ratings in thel pandemic and post intimate lot of terrible ratings in the - pandemic and post intimate area for film pandemic and post intimate area for right now— pandemic and post intimate area for right now he — pandemic and post intimate area for right now he is — pandemic and post intimate area for right now he is facing _ pandemic and post intimate area for right now he is facing a _ pandemic and post intimate area for right now he is facing a host - pandemic and post intimate area for right now he is facing a host of- right now he is facing a host of other— right now he is facing a host of other challenges, _ right now he is facing a host of other challenges, but- right now he is facing a host of other challenges, but when . other challenges, but when republicans _ other challenges, but when republicans look _ other challenges, but when republicans look to - other challenges, but when republicans look to see - other challenges, but when . republicans look to see some other challenges, but when - republicans look to see some of the as the _ republicans look to see some of the as the nominee _ republicans look to see some of the as the nominee, what— republicans look to see some of the as the nominee, what they're - republicans look to see some of thel as the nominee, what they're making the case _ as the nominee, what they're making the case against _ as the nominee, what they're making the case against biden— as the nominee, what they're making the case against biden and _ as the nominee, what they're making the case against biden and his - as the nominee, what they're making the case against biden and his age i the case against biden and his age taking _ the case against biden and his age taking the — the case against biden and his age taking the presidency— the case against biden and his age taking the presidency again, - the case against biden and his age . taking the presidency again, another four years _ taking the presidency again, another four years and — taking the presidency again, another four years and effectively _ taking the presidency again, another four years and effectively making - taking the presidency again, another four years and effectively making it i four years and effectively making it one heartbeat— four years and effectively making it one heartbeat away— four years and effectively making it one heartbeat away from _ four years and effectively making it one heartbeat away from presidentj one heartbeat away from president kamala _ one heartbeat away from president kamala harris _ one heartbeat away from president kamala harris. as— one heartbeat away from president kamala harris. as we _ one heartbeat away from president kamala harris. as we have - one heartbeat away from president kamala harris. as we have seen i one heartbeat away from president. kamala harris. as we have seen this administration — kamala harris. as we have seen this administration has _ kamala harris. as we have seen this administration has not _ kamala harris. as we have seen this administration has not put _ kamala harris. as we have seen this administration has not put of- kamala harris. as we have seen this administration has not put of vice i administration has not put of vice president — administration has not put of vice president harris _ administration has not put of vice president harris as _ administration has not put of vice president harris as much - administration has not put of vice president harris as much as - administration has not put of vice president harris as much as theyl president harris as much as they could _ president harris as much as they could and — president harris as much as they could and what _ president harris as much as they could and what we _ president harris as much as they could and what we see _ president harris as much as they could and what we see with - president harris as much as they| could and what we see with them putting biden _ could and what we see with them putting biden out _ could and what we see with them putting biden out on _ could and what we see with them putting biden out on the - could and what we see with them putting biden out on the trail- could and what we see with them putting biden out on the trail of. could and what we see with theml putting biden out on the trail of at his age _ putting biden out on the trail of at his age 80 — putting biden out on the trail of at his age 80 years _ putting biden out on the trail of at his age, 80 years old, _ putting biden out on the trail of at his age, 80 years old, we've - putting biden out on the trail of at| his age, 80 years old, we've never seen _ his age, 80 years old, we've never seen this— his age, 80 years old, we've never seen this in— his age, 80 years old, we've never seen this in modern _ his age, 80 years old, we've never seen this in modern american - seen this in modern american history. — seen this in modern american history. this _ seen this in modern american history, this kind _ seen this in modern american history, this kind of— seen this in modern american history, this kind of candidate having — history, this kind of candidate having to _ history, this kind of candidate having to go _ history, this kind of candidate having to go out _ history, this kind of candidate having to go out and - history, this kind of candidate having to go out and face - history, this kind of candidate having to go out and face in l history, this kind of candidate - having to go out and face in person campaigning. — having to go out and face in person campaigning, something _ having to go out and face in person campaigning, something he - having to go out and face in person campaigning, something he did - having to go out and face in person| campaigning, something he did not have to _ campaigning, something he did not have to do — campaigning, something he did not have to do in — campaigning, something he did not have to do in 2020. _ campaigning, something he did not have to do in 2020. i— campaigning, something he did not have to do in 2020. igo— campaigning, something he did not have to do in 2020. i go back- campaigning, something he did not have to do in 2020. i go back to- have to do in 2020. i go back to saving. — have to do in 2020. i go back to saving. is— have to do in 2020. i go back to saving. is this— have to do in 2020. i go back to saying, is this where _ have to do in 2020. i go back to saying, is this where we - have to do in 2020. i go back to saying, is this where we are, i have to do in 2020. i go back to saying, is this where we are, a. saying, is this where we are, a

potential— saying, is this where we are, a potential biden _ saying, is this where we are, a potential biden trump - saying, is this where we are, a l potential biden trump rematch? saying, is this where we are, a i potential biden trump rematch? i would encourage _ potential biden trump rematch? i would encourage folks _ potential biden trump rematch? i would encourage folks to - potential biden trump rematch? i would encourage folks to look - potential biden trump rematch? i would encourage folks to look at. would encourage folks to look at what _ would encourage folks to look at what republicans _ would encourage folks to look at what republicans do _ would encourage folks to look at what republicans do now. - would encourage folks to look at what republicans do now. how. would encourage folks to look at . what republicans do now. how are they going — what republicans do now. how are they going to — what republicans do now. how are they going to feel _ what republicans do now. how are they going to feel with _ what republicans do now. how are they going to feel with the - what republicans do now. how are| they going to feel with the crowded field against — they going to feel with the crowded field against biden? _ they going to feel with the crowded field against biden?— field against biden? indigo, ifi can brini field against biden? indigo, ifi can bring you _ field against biden? indigo, ifi can bring you back— field against biden? indigo, ifi can bring you back again, - field against biden? indigo, ifi can bring you back again, howl field against biden? indigo, if i - can bring you back again, how they can issue is that for president biden now, that he still does not quite know who his opponent is going to be? i quite know who his opponent is going to be? ., �* quite know who his opponent is going tobe? .,�* . , quite know who his opponent is going tobe? . , ~' to be? i don't necessarily think that is a huge _ to be? i don't necessarily think that is a huge issue. _ to be? i don't necessarily think that is a huge issue. for - to be? i don't necessarily think that is a huge issue. for me, l to be? i don't necessarily think that is a huge issue. for me, i| that is a huge issue. for me, i think biden and dissenters are a lot more similar than people might make them out to be. i think prickly descendents is a little more dangerous than trump, because he is more effective, but i thing they're very similar —— —— i think ron desantis. biden has yet to put for division of america to get people excited. he is a rep is ending the status quo and it is also too soon to say that trump is going to be the nominee. he was very clearly the front runner, but if he gets arrested, then we haven't desantis campaign and biden is going to have to stick to a message that appeal to

people... flan to stick to a message that appeal to i-eole. .. . to stick to a message that appeal to ieoile... . ., to stick to a message that appeal to iieole... . ., ., to stick to a message that appeal to iieole,_. ., ., ., ., to stick to a message that appeal to ieoile,_. ., ., ., ., people... can he do that? can he stick to the _ people... can he do that? can he stick to the same _ people... can he do that? can he stick to the same messages - people... can he do that? can he| stick to the same messages with, let's say, donald trump as a challenger or with ron desantis as a challenger? would he need vastly different messages? i challenger? would he need vastly different messages?— different messages? i think he is ioiin to different messages? i think he is going to stick _ different messages? i think he is going to stick to _ different messages? i think he is going to stick to a _ different messages? i think he is going to stick to a similar - going to stick to a similar message, only because that message has been, i represent what is safe and familiar and i represent what is safe and familiarand i i represent what is safe and familiar and i represent the good america of the past, i'm going to protect you from the right—wing extremists who are trying to take this country over, so i think it would be very similar message. i do not think he would have to pivot too much, but i thing the question is whether that message of them will be enough to get voters to come out and vote for him in sufficient numbers. thank you very much forjoining us, indigo 0livier, a reporterfor the new republic in the us. great to have your time. i will keep the pen with me as we move onto our next topic —— keep the panel. we

are going to be talking about events here in the uk. a house of commons committee has accused some of borisjohnson's allies of waging a coordinated campaign to undermine its inquiry into the former prime minister. the privileges committee highlighted comments by former ministers, including jacob rees—mogg, nadine dorries and priti patel. some of borisjohnson's supporters had attacked the committee as a witch hunt and kangaroo court when they investigated whether borisjohnson misled parliament over lockdown parties in downing street. let's go back to our panel. jenny, we are coming back to this report again, this committee making very clear that, again, this committee making very clearthat, it again, this committee making very clear that, it thinks, what happened here was wrong, but it is still going to be up to mp5 to decide whether this is indeed contempt of parliament. whether this is indeed contempt of iarliament. , . ., , parliament. yes, and i really hope that they do- _ parliament. yes, and i really hope that they do. mps _ parliament. yes, and i really hope that they do. mps vote _ parliament. yes, and i really hope that they do. mps vote and - parliament. yes, and i really hope that they do. mps vote and vote i parliament. yes, and i really hope i that they do. mps vote and vote into that they do. mp5 vote and vote into giving _ that they do. mp5 vote and vote into giving numbers and i hope the prime minister— giving numbers and i hope the prime minister rishi sunak fouts, because

this is— minister rishi sunak fouts, because this is about the integrity of our parliamentary system and i would very much — parliamentary system and i would very much hope that with the end of boris _ very much hope that with the end of borisjohnson political very much hope that with the end of boris johnson political career so far, boris johnson political career so far. for— boris johnson political career so far. for the _ boris johnson political career so far, for the moment, boris johnson political career so far, forthe moment, we boris johnson political career so far, for the moment, we will regain the sense _ far, for the moment, we will regain the sense of— far, for the moment, we will regain the sense of decency and fairness and the _ the sense of decency and fairness and the fact that in the uk our institutions work, and the reading, the report— institutions work, and the reading, the report makes really concerning reading _ the report makes really concerning reading it — the report makes really concerning reading. it says that phrases such as kangaroo court, the committee was a political— kangaroo court, the committee was a political committee against boris johnson, — political committee against boris johnson, that is what jacob rees—mogg said on his gb news programme. you had nadine dorries calling _ programme. you had nadine dorries calling it _ programme. you had nadine dorries calling it a _ programme. you had nadine dorries calling it a kangaroo court. you had current— calling it a kangaroo court. you had current ministers impugning the integrity— current ministers impugning the integrity of members of the committee, so this is not criticising the committee's findings, not disagreeing and having evidence _ findings, not disagreeing and having evidence suggesting the committee is wrong _ evidence suggesting the committee is wrong but _ evidence suggesting the committee is wrong but basically saying that the committee could not be trusted. this is really— committee could not be trusted. this is really worrying. we need our institutions to work. the members of the committee could not answer back because _ the committee could not answer back because they were part of a sitting

committee and they were obeying the rulesi _ committee and they were obeying the rules, and _ committee and they were obeying the rules, and their perspective is, this is— rules, and their perspective is, this is going to put people off one 'uice this is going to put people off one juice on _ this is going to put people off one juice on these committees, if other mp5 juice on these committees, if other mps can— juice on these committees, if other mps can go— juice on these committees, if other mp5 can go on television shows and suggest _ mp5 can go on television shows and suggest that people are biased, that it is a _ suggest that people are biased, that it is a kangaroo court. it is really not on _ it is a kangaroo court. it is really not on for— it is a kangaroo court. it is really not on for some the one thing we have in_ not on for some the one thing we have in this — not on for some the one thing we have in this country is a reputation for having — have in this country is a reputation for having incorruptible for having incorru ptible institutions for having incorruptible institutions and ministers who should — institutions and ministers who should be playing fairly, so i hope that we _ should be playing fairly, so i hope that we have turned a corner after the partygate inquiry and the era of politics _ the partygate inquiry and the era of politics without honour in this country — politics without honour in this country is _ politics without honour in this country is coming to an end. we will see in— country is coming to an end. we will see in the _ country is coming to an end. we will see in the course of this vote whether or not that is the case. rinai _ whether or not that is the case. rina. what— whether or not that is the case. rina, what or your reflections on this? because some of those who have been accused of this interference like brendan clark smith, have framed it as a question of free speech, said it was direct to be able to speak in this way. yeah, i think... able to speak in this way. yeah, i think- -- jenny _ able to speak in this way. yeah, i think... jenny does _ able to speak in this way. yeah, i think... jenny does not _ able to speak in this way. yeah, i think... jenny does not like - able to speak in this way. yeah, i think... jenny does not like that! | think... jenny does not like that! folks saying _

think... jenny does not like that! folks saying the _ think... jenny does not like that! folks saying the committee - think... jenny does not like that! folks saying the committee wasl folks saying the committee was trying to shut down of freedom of speech, it is stunning to me. they did not have to interfere, they could keep their mouth shut, they could keep their mouth shut, they could choose to say, let the committee do its work, and we will wait until the committee makes its report for subti to interfere and such edible people, mp5 who should know better, reminds me of the error that... it is a global problem. it is people in positions of power taking air above the law, they are untouchable, and when they do things, they're not consequences, things, they're not consequences, things like medal where they should not meddle. i am glad borisjohnson is gone, let mejust not meddle. i am glad borisjohnson is gone, let me just tell you this, because i think partygate is something that is the biggest black mark on him, and he did the right thing by moving aside, because during the covid era, because if you are expecting people to listen to you and you are their leader and you were throwing parties in parties, it shows me you are so out of touch with the people you are meaning to govern. again, this is the goebel issue. here in the united states, we

had a rapid erosion of trust in our institutions, when you're talking about the integrity of institutions, who do you look to to hold that up? uphold that? people sitting in those institutions. we have the same problem in the us congers right now for the very people we have trusted and voted to elect us are the very people ripping down the institutions that they are sitting, serving in. what do you think the future boats for the rest of us not sitting in these chambers? we are test with permit is power. these people asked with this power of elected to represent us, here in the united states, for a simple, should be held to account for what you have there is a view to putting happening when you have reports coming up saying, partygate is terrible, let's distil it down to that very message, but these mp5 should not interfere and should maybe be even held in contempt. that is a win for the people. here in these united states, we call it we the people winning the day, but for you guys, my gosh, this kind of stuff coming out and these

people being held to account and being shown their true colours let's just call it what it is, it is justice. just call it what it is, it is 'ustice. ~ just call it what it is, it is justice-— just call it what it is, it is 'ustice. ~ ., ., ., ., justice. we will have to leave that the are. justice. we will have to leave that they are- i — justice. we will have to leave that they are- i am _ justice. we will have to leave that they are. i am afraid. _ justice. we will have to leave that they are. i am afraid. but - justice. we will have to leave that they are. i am afraid. but do - justice. we will have to leave that they are. i am afraid. but do stay| they are. i am afraid. but do stay with me, rina and jenny. i will be coming back to you. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. bringing you different stories from across the uk. built on duchy of cornwall farmland on the edge of dorchester, the construction of poundbury began 30 years ago. the vision of the then—prince of wales was for a sustainable community, with jobs and facilities within walking distance, and a focus on traditional architecture. it's now home to more than 4,000 people. it's notjust housing here. you get leisure, retail, office, industrial uses as well. and we've managed to create over onejob per home, which was the original aspiration, about 2,700 jobs, about 240 businesses. a5 prince of wales, charles was a frequent visitor here. but this visit — to mark the completion of the main square — was his first since becoming king.

0fficially, responsibility for poundbury now shifts to the new duke of cornwall, prince william. but no—one here is in any doubt that the king will continue to take a keen interest in his creation. for more stories from across the uk, head to the bbc news website. you're live with bbc news. now it's time for the panel. this is where i hand over to you, rina and jenny, with topics that you would like us to discuss. i will start with rina. you have got an interesting pic here. what summer camp looks like in 2023.— interesting pic here. what summer camp looks like in 2023. summer camp is lookini a camp looks like in 2023. summer camp is looking a bit — camp looks like in 2023. summer camp is looking a bit different _ camp looks like in 2023. summer camp is looking a bit different for _ camp looks like in 2023. summer camp is looking a bit different for a _ camp looks like in 2023. summer camp is looking a bit different for a few- is looking a bit different for a few hundred children here in the northern virginia suburbs of washington, dc for some these kids are going and doing life skills, i

think, and life skills, it is a really important thing to talk about the most kids go to summer camp, they are having fun, doing very normal things that most normal american kids do these days, which are tied to tech, but i think as modern american society progresses we are less in touch with what we need to be doing, which is beconnected to the earth. these summer campers are engaging in life skills, they are sleeping in tents, they are understanding how a lot of underprivileged americans are living life, with very few resources, they're disconnected to their tech devices, and i hope this really catches on. a5 less of the one—time summer extremes and funding that most americans kids engage in. again, this can a thing from tech and doing the rugged life —— again, disconnecting from tech. something more young people need to do, connect with the earth, the responsible good stewards of it. we can all be good conservationists

and, starting them young, in the summer, a great way of doing so. i had a great way don't act pleasure of doing so when i grew up in west virginia. ——i of doing so when i grew up in west virginia. —— i had the great pleasure. i virginia. -- i had the great pleasure-— virginia. -- i had the great ileasure. ., ., , pleasure. i wonder if it would be a touih sell pleasure. i wonder if it would be a tough sell for _ pleasure. i wonder if it would be a tough sell for young _ pleasure. i wonder if it would be a tough sell for young people - pleasure. i wonder if it would be a tough sell for young people full i pleasure. i wonder if it would be a tough sell for young people full toj tough sell for young people full to apparently it is actual hard labour. jenny, let's talk about your story —— a tough sell for young people. there was an earthquake in staffordshire yesterday. 3.3 on the richter— staffordshire yesterday. 3.3 on the richter scale. it was reading about this and _ richter scale. it was reading about this and apparently in the past few month. _ this and apparently in the past few month, there were 21 earthquakes in the uk _ month, there were 21 earthquakes in the uk this — month, there were 21 earthquakes in the uk. this was the largest one so far, the uk. this was the largest one so far. and _ the uk. this was the largest one so far. and who — the uk. this was the largest one so far, and who knew that this country was such— far, and who knew that this country was such a — far, and who knew that this country was such a hotbed of tectonic activity? _ was such a hotbed of tectonic activity? i_ was such a hotbed of tectonic activity? i wanted to bring you a particular— activity? i wanted to bring you a particular quote, somebody who spoke to the _ particular quote, somebody who spoke to the bbc_ particular quote, somebody who spoke to the bbc about this stop he said, i was _ to the bbc about this stop he said, i was sitting and watching an episode _ i was sitting and watching an episode of only connect when we opened _ episode of only connect when we opened a — episode of only connect when we opened a bottle of wine and something show. this is kind of level— something show. this is kind of

level of— something show. this is kind of level of earth quote i would like to experience. i've never experienced it. experience. i've never experienced it one _ experience. i've never experienced it one that — experience. i've never experienced it. one that is equivalent to one of your kids _ it. one that is equivalent to one of your kids falling out of bed, i would — your kids falling out of bed, i would love to experience! that quote 'um ied out would love to experience! that quote jumped out to _ would love to experience! that quote jumped out to me — would love to experience! that quote jumped out to me too. _ would love to experience! that quote jumped out to me too. what - would love to experience! that quote jumped out to me too. what does . would love to experience! that quote jumped out to me too. what does it. jumped out to me too. what does it sound like when your kid falls out of bed? pretty dramatic! did you know we had earth quakes in the uk? i had no idea. ithought know we had earth quakes in the uk? i had no idea. i thought that is a place i could come to and be safer than in, say, california! to place i could come to and be safer than in, say, california!— than in, say, california! to jenny's ioint, than in, say, california! to jenny's point, these are _ than in, say, california! to jenny's point, these are apparently - than in, say, california! to jenny's point, these are apparently only i point, these are apparently only little ones will 3000 times smaller, i think it is, than the ones we saw in turkey, for instance, so nowhere nearin in turkey, for instance, so nowhere near in terms of magnitude, but really fascinating, all the same. thanks for bringing our attention to that, jenny. i am going to have to say goodbye to you both. it has been really great to have your company anna the context today. great to have your company

on the context today. great to have your company on the context as well. thanks forjoining us. don't forget, you can follow all of the stories we have been covering on the website. stay with us on bbc news. i am nancy kacungira. goodbye. hello from the bbc sport centre. i am lizzie greenwood—hughes with your latest sports news. we're starting with cricket and day two of the second ashes test, where england's batters have been criticised for "giving away" unnecessary wickets. after eventually bowling australia out for 416 before lunch, they'd made up good ground before a mini collapse left england 138 runs behind with four wickets gone. our correspondentjoe wilson reports from lord's. first things first, let's deal with australia's first innings.

the fact that steve smith was gutted to get out for 110, the fact that england were relieved to get him out for 110, tells you everything about smith's stature. he was the third wicket of the innings forjosh tung. impressive ashes debut. he is the quickest bowler and looks the most impressive bowler and looks the most impressive bowler too. england set off chasing. ben duckett scored quickly, as did zak crawley. for australia, nathan lyon off the pitch with what looks like a serious calf injury. australia had to try something, so they bowled short, they tempted england to hit the ball towards fielders. that is what they did. some might say it is naive, england would say it is brave. they have scored quickly again and have given themselves a chance to reclaim the initiative on the third day here at lord's. ben duckett two runs away from a first ashes century after a superb knock on until he ran out of luck,

but despite missing out on getting his name on the lords honours board, duckett says he is happy with how he played. duckett says he is happy with how he ila ed. ,, . ., duckett says he is happy with how he ila ed. ,, ., ., ., , played. start of the day, i would be over the moon _ played. start of the day, i would be over the moon if _ played. start of the day, i would be over the moon if i _ played. start of the day, i would be over the moon if i was _ played. start of the day, i would be over the moon if i was offered - played. start of the day, i would be over the moon if i was offered 98, l over the moon if i was offered 98, but falling so close to scoring three figures here, i am obviously gutted about that, but i'm really happy with how i played throughout the innings. i thought it was certainly my best innings in an england shirt, so, yeah, iwas gutted for half an hour after, but, yeah, i am gutted for half an hour after, but, yeah, iam happy gutted for half an hour after, but, yeah, i am happy with how i played. manchester united have agreed a deal to buy england international mason mount from chelsea. talks to try to resolve the impasse over a fee for the midfielder have been successful, with an initial £55 million agreed. that could rise to 60. mount will sign a five—year deal at old trafford. it's the final day of wimbledon qualifying, but it hasn't been pre—tournament favourite justin rose leads after the first round of the british masters golf. rose is a shot clear of the field on seven under par after carding

eight birdies and a bogey in his round at the belfry. he'sjust ahead of his ryder cup team—mate jamie donaldson, who's hoping to finish high enough to earn a place at next month's open championship. warrington wolves missed out on going top of rugby league's super league tonight when they lost to leeds rhinos. it took warrington nearly 70 minutes to get on the scoresheet. but was all too late. 22—60 final score. —— 22-6 the all too late. 22—60 final score. —— 22—6 the final score. the greatest cycle race in the world gets under way this weekend. the 110th tour de france will start in bilbao — that's spain, of course — on saturday. but the traditional grand depart always begins on the thursday night. the riders were introduced to the crowd outside the guggenheim museum earlier. tadej pogacar is one of two overwhelming favourites for the yellow jersey. he won it in 2020 and 2021.

he'll be challenged by last year's winner, jonas vingegaard. and it'll be a farewell tour for an icon of both the race and british cycling, mark cavendish, who's hoping to become the outright record holder for the most stage wins in his final time in the race. this race gives me the most incredible emotions. unfortunately, you can't really analyse them and appreciate them until afterwards. it is the same every year, and i know it is my last one, but it is still the same. i have a job to do, and... you avoid those bits of sentiment at the time, but you definitely appreciate them later. savannah marshall is fitting to become a two weight world champion when she faces the american in

manchester. it will be feisty if her press conference is any indication. here she is with our reporter. i am just sick of these gobby americans. i'm laid back, these things don't get at me. who does she think she is? the difference is, she is lazy and she does not go out and look for opportunities. there was a lot that was said. what was it that she said that riled you up the most? she has been saying it for weeks, to be fair, but ijust thought, "you don't know me, you don't know anything about me." i work really hard. sport is hard, female sport is hard. you don't know what i have been through. is this a must—win fight for you? and can you even conceive a loss here and what it would do for your career? if i lose here, what business have i got in the sport? ifi if i lose again, like i said, the pool is very shallow. there is nowhere for me to go then. and that's all the sport for now.

hello there. it wasn't the most promising start to the day on thursday. a lot of cloud around for central and eastern areas with some rain, too. but that all cleared out of the way, and the air turned fresher through the day with these sunnier skies working in for most of us, so didn't end up being too bad. there's the weather front then that brought the early morning rain, and that was significant rain for some. for example, in parts of essex, in andrews field, we had 12 millimetres of rain, half an inch recorded in the space of six hours. this was actually more rain than we'd seen for the whole of the month ofjune. before this, there'd only been seven millimetres falling. it has been very dry for parts of eastern england. overnight tonight, well, initially we've got clear spells and a fresh feel to the weather, so not a bad start to the night, but it will be turning progressively damper and more humid from the west as we go through the second part of the night. so eventually, it'll start to turn out to be quite muggy. along with that more humid air that will be pushing in as we go through friday, we will have some low cloud,

some mist and fog patches around some of our western coasts and hills, and spots of drizzle falling pretty much anywhere, but particularly so in the west. a bit of heavy rain for a time into western areas of scotland. so completely different day today, sunshine certainly in short supply and a muggy feel to the weather. temperatures for the most part between 18—21 celsius. the weekend weather prospects — we start to lose that muggy air as a cold front works its way in through the night. and then, saturday and sunday, we're in this basically west—northwesterly airflow. so a fresher feel to the weather returns as we go through saturday morning. there will be quite a brisk wind with us throughout the whole of the weekend, and close to an area of low pressure to the north of scotland. here, we'll see showers or some longer spells of rain across the northwest. a few showers getting into the north west of england and northern ireland, but moving through with time, there'll be some sunshine — the driest and brightest weather through the afternoon across more southern parts of england and wales. it'll still feel quite warm where the sunshine pops out. and it's a similar story, really, on sunday — again, there'll be some longer

spells of rain across the north west of scotland, else a few showers across the northern half of the uk. the driest, sunniest weather further south. still quite windy, temperatures for the most part between 17—23 celsius, but turning a bit cooler in the northwest of scotland. into next week, low pressure stays close to the north of the uk. so it's a case of quite unsettled weather with showers, or some longer spells of rain in the north.

ready for a possible third night of protests and violence. the clashes and the rioting started after police shot dead a 17—year—old boy in a suburb of paris on tuesday. the boy's mother was involved in a march this evening, where the police were accused of acting without fear of punishment. what's fuelling these fires isn't just rubbish bins and vehicles but decades of frustration with the french state. nahel�*s death triggers wider feelings of grievance, betrayal and inequality.

we'll have the latest from our correspondent lucy williamson in paris.