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morgan, germany's jennifer morgan, germany's american—born envoy for international climate action. until last year, she was leader of the environmental campaign group greenpeace international. how far did she feel her climate change credentials are being compromised in her new role? jennifer morgan, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. so there you were in february last year, he stepped down as head of greenpeace international and in march became germany's international envoy for international envoy for international climate action stop why did you accept the role? ~ , .,
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stop why did you accept the role? ~ ,, ~ ., role? well you know when minister— role? well you know when minister burbach - role? well you know when minister burbach called i role? well you know wheni minister burbach called on role? well you know when - minister burbach called on the new german government, which had i would say the most impressive impressive on climate change domestically and international i thought i always try to go where i feel like i can make the biggest difference —— baerbock. and the opportunity to work for such a government administer at this time in climate i thought i have to give it a go. greenpeace, we always talk about acts of courage and i decided i needed tojump. crosstalk. annalena baerbock, the german foreign minister who is you are referring to their the former coleader of the green party in germany so that's what attracted you 0k, that's what attracted you ok, you said you are working for a broad coalition for an ambitious global climate policy so that we can make groundbreaking decisions at the cop28 in dubai, that of course as the un's global climate summit, so what is ambitious looking like to go?— looking like to go? ambitious looks like _ looking like to go? ambitious looks like a — looking like to go? ambitious looks like a phase-out - looking like to go? ambitious looks like a phase-out of - looks like a phase—out of fossil fuels, looks like a phase—out of fossilfuels, the looks like a phase—out of
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fossil fuels, the end looks like a phase—out of fossilfuels, the end of looks like a phase—out of fossil fuels, the end of the fossil fuels, the end of the fossil fuels, the end of the fossil fuel era, fossil fuels, the end of the fossilfuel era, a clear signal fossil fuel era, a clear signal on fossilfuel era, a clear signal on that. ambitious looks like a global renewable energy target with financing to go with it and efficiency targets to go with it. and a transformational roadmap to close the gap. we need to keep global average temperature from rising above 1.5 degrees rise and so, we need a plan, an action plan and that's what we want to achieve with the finance for developing countries to make that possible. countries to make that possible-— countries to make that ossible. �* i” countries to make that ossible. �* ,, , possible. all right, so you see an end to _ possible. all right, so you see an end to fossil _ possible. all right, so you see an end to fossil fuel, - possible. all right, so you see an end to fossil fuel, you - an end to fossil fuel, you know, phasing that out, so does it worry you, then, that cop28 is not only being hosted in the uae, the united arab emirates, but shared by the uae national oil company. let me tell you what teresa anderson global level, just as justice that actionaid has said about that. this appointment goes beyond putting the fox in charge of the henhouse. are you worried by that appointment? i the henhouse. are you worried by that appointment?- by that appointment? i wasn't worried, by that appointment? i wasn't worried. i _ by that appointment? i wasn't worried, i wasn't _ by that appointment? i wasn't worried, i wasn't worried - worried, i wasn't worried because cop presidents have a history of rising above what
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they are doing day today and being cop president and also because doctor salter and has a long history of working on renewables and i think the end of the day they are judged by what they deliver, what are the outcomes that come at the end of these summits ——dr sultan. i think that's what we're looking at and working for.— at and working for. that's pick u . at and working for. that's pick u- one at and working for. that's pick up one of _ at and working for. that's pick up one of the _ at and working for. that's pick up one of the objectives - at and working for. that's pick| up one of the objectives you've set out which is looking at the pace and scale of when the world shift away from fossil fuels towards more sustainable and renewable economies. what is your view? what is the clear objective? do you have a date? i think the intergovernmental panel on climate change, the world's kind of scientific body, has different dates for sectors. germany the date for coal phase—out is 2030 which is what we are working towards in germany is defay phase that out, it's a bit later in developing countries and emerging economies like 2040. i think fossilfuels emerging economies like 2040. i think fossil fuels you're looking at working into 2040— 2050. but it's pretty clear we
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already have too much fossil fuel infrastructure. the scientists have told us we cannot build new fossil fuel infrastructure so we really need a course correction right now, and that's why we have to build up the renewables component while we are facing down fossilfuel step by component while we are facing down fossil fuel step by step. all right, you say the scientist tell us we should not build new fossil fuel infrastructure so are you then of the firm view that countries in africa, for instance, that have discovered oil and gas shouldn't be given any investment, because i tell you why. tanzania's energy minister said in february this year for a move away from democracy by wealthy nations refusing to finance gas projects. is he right or is he wrong? i guess what we're _ right or is he wrong? i guess what we're trying _ right or is he wrong? i guess what we're trying to - right or is he wrong? i guess what we're trying to make i what we're trying to make happen is an alternative way forward for tanzania. how do we actually invest, and that's what we're doing, in renewable energy that brings energy access that does not lock countries into potential
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long—term assets that become stranded assets, so that you know they have to phase—out the gas. i think it's on us developed countries to actually provide those types of supports and actually offer the opportunity so that countries don't have to make that choice because if you look at... crosstalk. they are going to make that choice. he said a keyword, hypocrisy, talking about the double standards. sure. ., ., ., ,., about the double standards. sure. ., ., ., ., sure. you mentioned about how ou are sure. you mentioned about how you are phasing _ sure. you mentioned about how you are phasing out _ sure. you mentioned about how you are phasing out cold - sure. you mentioned about how you are phasing out cold in - you are phasing out cold in germany but currently it accounts for 32% of germany's energy. —— coal. you have more coal plants in europe than anyone else. you have more, generate the most coal—fired emissions in 202022 —— 2022. is a defensible them that you are saying we are continuing with our dirty ways but you, in tanzania or wherever else in africa, should try and do what we ourselves cannot achieve? no, of course not, but that's not what's happening in germany. germany is doing this.
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germany. germany is doing this. germany is making the decisions developed coal by 2030. but you are you still using it. we are about 2030, law, this is law, we are aiming, we have policies in place to phase out coal in germany. we have policies in place, we passed the largest renewable package in history to phase up renewables that 80% by 2030 and an energy efficiency law, we have all of these. we are in this- — law, we have all of these. we are in this. but _ law, we have all of these. we are in this. but you are not on track in germany and i know that you are in charge of germany's international climate action. area. but what happens in germany affects your international reputation. absolutely. and your credibility and when you have the german economy minister vice chancellor robert hay back safe we're not on track, has to be quite clearly, and the figures show that germany is actually not meeting its own targets. 0rderto actually not meeting its own targets. order to meet climate targets. order to meet climate targets up to 2030 we have to cut emissions by 6% each year. since 2010 we have not achieved
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an average 2% drop per year —— habeck. that dirk messner, president of the uba. which is wh in president of the uba. which is why in the _ president of the uba. which is why in the last _ president of the uba. which is why in the last 15 _ president of the uba. which is why in the last 15 months - president of the uba. which is why in the last 15 months thisl why in the last 15 months this government has done more than happened in the previous 16 years. since the government has come on board, we are not there yet, we have gaps, that's why we have climate law, that's why we have climate law, that's why we are at 40% reduction already. we are aiming to be 65. we see that actually the coal that we had to bring on for the war, which was a big topic and rightfully so because we phased out russian fossil fuels. in less than a year, 55% of our imports were from us, gas, so we had to bring a bit of coal although we are phasing down —— from russia. is now been replaced by renewable energy and we are meeting our targets now earlier. it energy and we are meeting our targets now earlier.— targets now earlier. it doesn't look like you _ targets now earlier. it doesn't look like you are. _ targets now earlier. it doesn't| look like you are. crosstalk. sorry, go on. fin look like you are. crosstalk. sorry. go on-_ look like you are. crosstalk. sorry, go on. on the whole we have more _ sorry, go on. on the whole we have more to _ sorry, go on. on the whole we have more to do _ sorry, go on. on the whole we have more to do but _ sorry, go on. on the whole we have more to do but i - sorry, go on. on the whole we have more to do but i think- sorry, go on. on the whole we | have more to do but i think the thing to understand is that we are doing this. we are having
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the societal... are doing this. we are having the societal. . ._ are doing this. we are having the societal... crosstalk. not successfully. — the societal... crosstalk. not successfully, you _ the societal... crosstalk. not successfully, you are _ the societal... crosstalk. not successfully, you are setting i successfully, you are setting the targets and not necessarily meeting them and we look at the global south and north because you sit at the table with these you sit at the table with these you know two groups, germany's part of the global more. so you know people won'tjust look at germany separately. if they look at what's happening in the uk, for instance, they will paint you all with the same brush. the uk climate watchdog the climate change committee has said and its chair is the former environment minister in the ukjohn gunbower board even, he says the british government has been criticised for approving a dick cole miles, the first of 30 years, plans for a new major oil field off the coast of scotland, he says how can we ask countries in africa not to develop oil, how can we ask other nations not to expand their fossil fuel production if we start doing it ourselves? i production if we start doing it ourselves?— ourselves? i mean, first of all, i ourselves? i mean, first of all. ithink— ourselves? i mean, first of all, i think it's _ ourselves? i mean, first of all, i think it's important . ourselves? i mean, first of| all, i think it's important to know that countries differentiate, so countries want to work with germany right
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now. we've 66% of our electricity was generated by renewable energy. we did an mou last week with china where we agreed to accelerate implementation not a crosstalk. i know you said that about germany but my point was you are part of the global north. people put you, france, the uk... not necessarily. you are part of the global north. {iii part of the global north. of course we are part of the global north. iii course we are part of the global north but what i find is that there is a difference in people recognise it and climate is a bridge actually to be doing cooperation with countries which may be difficult on other topics, right? so the agreement we did last week with china where we are working together to excelerator implementation on claimant is an example of that. but of course, if you want to be credible and work internationally you need to have a credible law, you need to respond when commissions come in and say you are off track and put new laws on the table or else you won't be credible internationally and you won't be able to forge the types of partnerships that we are working on right now with a range of different countries. all right, so you've talked
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about how every country's got to see it as it does. i want to put you what president mikey sam of senechal said when he became chair of the african union and into the goal without major discoveries —— macky sall. he said last year putting an end to the financing of gas would deeply affect and threaten our efforts for social development. why are we committed to the fight against climate change? it's legitimate that our country's demand a fair and equitable energy transition. so, should there be an energy transition for developing countries? such as senechal. use gas for transitional periods and if so long for the period be i think with senegal actually last week we agreed on a just energy transition partnership with them. ~ ,, ., ., , transition partnership with them. ~ ,, ., ., them. where senegal has agreed to ut in them. where senegal has agreed to put in place — them. where senegal has agreed to put in place 4096 _ them. where senegal has agreed to put in place 4096 renewable i to put in place 40% renewable energy by 2030 and developed countries have come in with a package of 2.5 billion dollars to support it. every country of course can take its pathway. of
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course. and i think the question that i haven't that i'm confronted with often by other leaders in africa is why are you asking us to provide you with fossil fuels when what we actually want to do is have a different development pathway. that's about decentralised, renewable energy. and scaling it up. why is it that so little amount of funding is going to renewables in africa? and that is a problem because then, just perpetuates the same model of an extract of this development model where fossil fuels come to the north and we use them and continue to do what we're doing, right? so instead, we are working on partnerships, with just are working on partnerships, withjust done are working on partnerships, with just done with colombia where we say ok, on eye level, what are you looking for? what kinds of local value creation can we have in your country? what kind ofjob training? were doing this with tenure. in order to provide those jobs, together renewables moving so you can become the crosstalk. and they want a clean future.
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but they're saying in the meantime we cannot industrialise our countries without using the fossil fuels that we have discovered. i want to put together this point, same point, by an international energy agency report last year, said that africa's industrialisation, it says, relies in part on expanding its natural gas use. and even if it were to expand all the gas resources that have been discovered to date, it would only result in 0.5% increase in global carbon emissions. a lot of people may say that seems a small price to pay. but of people may say that seems a small price to pay.— small price to pay. but i think the question _ small price to pay. but i think the question is _ small price to pay. but i think the question is what - small price to pay. but i think the question is what is - small price to pay. but i think the question is what is the i the question is what is the longer term development pathway for these countries? so another example, namibia. we are working with... crosstalk. could you — working with... crosstalk. could you answer _ working with... crosstalk. could you answer the - working with... crosstalk. | could you answer the question though because if it is such a small incremental increase and yet it will provide all the jobs and all the development
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that developing countries need, it seems quite a small incremental increase, especially given that sub—sa ha ran especially given that sub—saharan africa only accounts for 0.5% of global carbon emissions and an extra 0.5% is not very much. ida. carbon emissions and an extra 0.5% is not very much.- 0.5% is not very much. no, it is not, 0.5% is not very much. no, it is not. and — 0.5% is not very much. no, it is not, and countries - 0.5% is not very much. no, it is not, and countries have i 0.5% is not very much. no, itj is not, and countries have the right to decide how they are going to develop. i think the question is if you are looking at the moment, we are in right now with climate crisis here and now, 36 million people in eastern africa with drought, three—year drought, and you are looking at having to have global emissions, africa needs to develop and we need to have a development model than what we've had so far so if we can, and this is and if this is what we're trying to make happen through different partnerships, provide different models where africa does not have two go through the same fossil fuel trap that we went through, but instead through investment can build its renewable energy for its own energy access, which is far better than having, i mean,
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look... ,, ,, �* look. . . crosstalk. the investment _ look. . . crosstalk. the investment is _ look. . . crosstalk. the investment is not i look. . . crosstalk. the investment is not fair, l look... crosstalk. the | investment is not fair, is look... crosstalk. the - investment is not fair, is it? it's starting to happen. but it's not there. _ it's starting to happen. but it's not there. not - it's starting to happen. but it's not there. not by a long shot. �* ., �* , , it's not there. not by a long shot. ~ . �* , , ., shot. and that's why we need to change the international- change the international financial system.- change the international financial system. yes, but are ou financial system. yes, but are you not- -- _ financial system. yes, but are you not... were _ financial system. yes, but are you not... were heckling i financial system. yes, but are you not... were heckling a i you not... were heckling a steam roller. 14 years ago the rich world agreed to pledge to pay 100 billion a year, dollars a year, by 2020 for the green climate fund. it has mobilised only a 10th of that, it is not enough a drop in the ocean, the international monetary fund estimates we need trillions of dollars a year for climate adaptation, africa needs 3 trillion in the next seven years?— needs 3 trillion in the next seven years? climate finances at centre of— seven years? climate finances at centre of it _ seven years? climate finances at centre of it all. _ seven years? climate finances at centre of it all. jimmy i seven years? climate finances at centre of it all. jimmy is i at centre of it all. jimmy is the largest donor to the green climate fund, the largest donor to the adaptation fund, we think after going through the analysis 100 billion will finally be met this year, that's what we need to have.
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peanuts? we need the trillions which is why we are working on things like debt forgiveness, things like debt forgiveness, things like debt forgiveness, things like climate swaps, things like climate swaps, things like climate swaps, things like reforming the world bank, so that the money moves, we have to get, countries can't get investment in renewable energy so we have to bring down the risk so there can be investment, all of that is what we are doing. investment, all of that is what we are doing-— we are doing. this will take such a long _ we are doing. this will take such a long time _ we are doing. this will take such a long time and i we are doing. this will take such a long time and in i we are doing. this will take such a long time and in the j such a long time and in the meantime you have got people in the developing world, 800 million globally, who do not have access to energy and power? crosstalk. sitting down and candlelight doing their homework, women choking to death because they do not have clean cooking fuel and you will wait for the world to put the money in when they have demonstrated in the last 40 years they have only put a fraction in? there is no money, it is not coming?— it is not coming? there is money. _ it is not coming? there is money. it _ it is not coming? there is money. it is _ it is not coming? there is money, it is coming i it is not coming? there is money, it is coming and i it is not coming? there is i money, it is coming and you can look at for example this last year, we worked with other countries to work with
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indonesia, right? that decided they were going to pique their cold seven years earlier, double the renewable energy target and therefore we put a package on the table, for them to be able to do that and have the confidence to do that. we have done a similar thing with the vietnam. where g7 countries, it is a new model, it is clear we have to change things, it is not moving fast enough and that is a big priority of germany because we have been leading on climate finance, we also.— finance, we also. you put a coule finance, we also. you put a couple of — finance, we also. you put a couple of billion _ finance, we also. you put a couple of billion into i finance, we also. you put a couple of billion into this i finance, we also. you put a l couple of billion into this new climate fund? indie couple of billion into this new climate fund?— climate fund? we have a commitment _ climate fund? we have a commitment to - climate fund? we have a commitment to have i climate fund? we have a commitment to have a i climate fund? we have a commitment to have a 6 j climate fund? we have a i commitment to have a 6 billion commitment to have a 6 billion commitment by 2025 over all, we have just... commitment by 2025 over all, we have just- - -_ have 'ust. .. crosstalk. that is a have just. .. crosstalk. that is a dro in have just. .. crosstalk. that is a drop in the — have just. .. crosstalk. that is a drop in the ocean, _ have just. .. crosstalk. that is a drop in the ocean, i _ have just. .. crosstalk. that is a drop in the ocean, i keep i have just. .. crosstalk. that is a drop in the ocean, i keep on l a drop in the ocean, i keep on saying that you, when the imf saying that you, when the imf say we need trillions of dollars for climate adaption? duminy alone will not be able to help global south? ——
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germany. people say, notjust advocate you need to find the trillions whether for the ukraine wall which is understandably an awful tragedy or when you need to put strong flaws in your economies to combat the economic impact of covid—19, you come up with the trillions. it comes to us for adaptation or mitigation is not so relevant for so many countries in the global south it is not there, and you look at private sector money, most of it goes into the global north and china? i of it goes into the global north and china?- of it goes into the global north and china? i am with you and this is _ north and china? i am with you and this is what _ north and china? i am with you and this is what we _ north and china? i am with you and this is what we are - north and china? i am with you and this is what we are working j and this is what we are working to change, we did a report last year with canada to look at this hundred billion in what are the main problems, private—sector globalisation is not happening, there was a summit last week to see if the matching starts to happen. access to finance is a key issue, we are working to make it more possible for small island states and countries to get access faster from the green climate fund. the multilateral development banks we set up decades ago, not fit for purpose, germany and the us
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leading a reform, that is a goalfor leading a reform, that is a goal for next year. debt reduction, that when a climate disaster hits countries do not have to pay. germany has set up with the vulnerable 20 the global shield, which is about supporting countries hit by climate disasters, so they can get responses. it climate disasters, so they can get responses-_ get responses. it is not enough- _ get responses. it is not enough- it _ get responses. it is not enough. it is— get responses. it is not enough. it is not i get responses. it is not. enough. it is not enough get responses. it is not i enough. it is not enough but get responses. it is not - enough. it is not enough but we are working _ enough. it is not enough but we are working towards _ enough. it is not enough but we are working towards making i enough. it is not enough but we are working towards making it l are working towards making it happen. it are working towards making it ha en. , , ., are working towards making it hauen. , , . . happen. it is tiny, what about technology — happen. it is tiny, what about technology transfer, - happen. it is tiny, what about technology transfer, that i happen. it is tiny, what about technology transfer, that is l technology transfer, that is another thing the global north could do for the global south. you know, i tell you what, could do for the global south. you know, itell you what, on dress from the university of germany says most patents for low carbon technologies are held in the global north and he says there will be little change in global inequality of the countries of the global south simply by solar panels, the technology transfer as above all about sharing knowledge and technologies, but we do not feel for a lot of
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that you have a lot of specialised knowledge in germany for hydrogen power but we will send you the solar panels but —— we do not necessarily want you to make them yourself because we want our companies to sell them to you because it is our interest? that is what we are working on the. german industry is moving one reason we are working on the zero carbon transition is because we want to be a shape and not a take on the international climate and energy side of things. when we work with other countries we work with other countries we work on a range of different things, the patents is a tough issue, i will not shy away from it. what we do work on is the technology, and china theyjust want to know how do you manage to get so much renewables into your grid? and they do not have that technical knowledge. that is also what they want. $5 i is also what they want. as i said, there _ is also what they want. as i said, there is _ is also what they want. as i said, there is a _ is also what they want. as i said, there is a bit - is also what they want. as i said, there is a bit of i said, there is a bit of inequality there. how then, jennifer morgan can you hope to
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win the arguments at the international level when you are losing them nationally. poles show germans are becoming more sceptical about climate change policies. if you look at the spectacular victory the right of centre party had on sonnenberg in eastern germany in the past few days, when robert sesselmann, wins 53% of the vote, campaigning against wind turbines, the use of diesel and gas, and he gets that overwhelming support, the poles or show people are becoming lukewarm about the kind of policies you are advocating on an international stage? advocating on an international sta . e? advocating on an international state? ,., , advocating on an international state? ,, ., advocating on an international stare? ,, ., ., , stage? the polls show what my conversations _ stage? the polls show what my conversations show, _ stage? the polls show what my conversations show, there i stage? the polls show what my conversations show, there are l conversations show, there are different in a democracy, right? what i see is a huge amount of concern for the youth, huge amount of concern across the population, and the other piece that i see that is happening quite a lot, and i think that is not a story that is told very often, are the
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companies that are actually start—ups, that are moving because of the policy frameworks that are happening. whether it is the start—up that is now installing heat pumps and solar panels and households. {lii and solar panels and households. . , ., ., households. of which you have ve few households. of which you have very few in _ households. of which you have very few in germany? - households. of which you have very few in germany? half- households. of which you have very few in germany? half of. very few in germany? half of the new buildings _ very few in germany? half of the new buildings last i very few in germany? half of the new buildings last year i the new buildings last year were installed with heat pumps. it is a big thing for a lot of the electorates, a lot of people say my pump works perfectly fine and i do not want another heat pump. it is worth having _ want another heat pump. it is worth having a _ want another heat pump. it 3 worth having a conversation about. that is what it means to be in government do have to make compromises, what happened on that one, guess we heard back, 0k, we need to be thinking of everything, now the heating of buildings discussion, what we are looking about is how do we have climate, low carbon housing, what are the support mechanisms for low income, what are the incentives?— for low income, what are the incentives? ., ., ., ., incentives? you have a long way to no incentives? you have a long way to go even _ incentives? you have a long way to go even the — incentives? you have a long way to go even the greens _ to go even the greens environment minister says we need to explain more and better. finally, jennifer morgan you have made the shift
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from being an activist into politics as the german special envoy on climate action, you said this position gives me a set of tools myjob is not to demand action from others but to act and achieve results? how would the activist rate you as a kind of politician? the activist would _ a kind of politician? the activist would greatly i activist would greatly politician, i am still an activist, is working hard, making it happen, having to make compromises along the way, but making a difference where germany is respected as moving forward and is the core of our economic wallacia that is where it needs to be.— it needs to be. you don't think that activist _ it needs to be. you don't think that activist and _ it needs to be. you don't think that activist and climate i it needs to be. you don't think that activist and climate are i that activist and climate are using —— losing the edge on it, we have seen criticisms on shock tactics organisations like just oil are shock tactics organisations likejust oil are doing shock tactics organisations like just oil are doing and alienating ordinary people? the thing there _ alienating ordinary people? tue: thing there is, we alienating ordinary people? "tue: thing there is, we have laws alienating ordinary people? iie: thing there is, we have laws on society and laws need to be followed but the thing that keeps me up at night is to think about the level of desperation of youth, to move
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in that direction. the level of their fear of what their future looks like, often climate crisis that is happening now, you open up the new york times the front pages all about it let alone what is happening in developing countries, that is why we are moving now, and it is not easy, it's hard but it is not easy, it's hard but it is bringing benefits and i think that is why we have 30 partnerships with developing countries around the world who want to work with germany. jennifer morgan, jimmy's international envoy on climate action, thank you for coming on hardtalk. ., ~ action, thank you for coming on hardtalk— hello.
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a caller start in june a caller start injune with wet and windy weather at time. low pressure dominating the scene, signs of it warming up late in the week across the south of the week across the south of the country as we switch wind direction, more on that in the moment, this is the picture for monday low pressure firmly in charge of the source coming from the arctic and turning around to a west north—westerly direction moving across the uk you can see those lighter colours there. monday a fresh start, plenty of sunshine around, central, southern and eastern areas this area of showers and long spells of rain will move across wales and england through the afternoon reaching the east and southeast towards the end of the day, further north sunshine and showers, temperatures mid to high teens for the north 20 degrees across the southeast, thatis degrees across the southeast, that is below par for this time of year. monday night, staying showery longer spells of rain
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across scotland and this area of showery rain pushing across southern wales and southern england, a freshening breeze, temperatures overnight 13 degrees, it may be lower for cities than rural places, a messy picture for thursday, a ton of weather fronts one affecting southern britain it could bring wetter weather and stronger wind for south wales southern and southeast england, another one lying across scotland, in between sunshine and showers, quite a messy picture and unsettled thing with a lot of shells around the wind and rain in the south and temperatures will be below the seasonal norm, i3 — 1890 degrees seasonal norm, 13 — 1890 degrees across the seasonal norm, 13 —1890 degrees across the south. that is tuesday, into wednesday keep an eye on this feature, because an eye on this feature, because a few days ago the model headed further north affecting the south and southeast of england, at the moment, it looks like it will stay to the south across france, it means england and wales could have sunshine and showers most shells across the
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south, closer to an area of low pressure scotland and northern ireland will see most of those showers, even longer spells of rain, mid to high teens here, maybe a degree also woman across england and wales, even more sunshine around. into thursday, in between weather systems, this is where we start to see the change, high—pressure building across the near constant, hold onto low pressure towards the west, there could be more sunshine around, lighterwind there could be more sunshine around, lighter wind across the country, temperatures responding up to 22,20 country, temperatures responding up to 22, 20 three degrees on thursday afternoon. with more showers for scotland and northern ireland and on the cool side here. beyond thursday, friday into the weekend and beyond that into the following week, low pressure will establish itself to the west, high—pressure to the east, drawing up southerly wind, then into the following week, that low in the west could start to move eastwards across the uk, turning things more unsettled against off with that low pressure system sitting to the west and bringing warm southerly wind,
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temperatures will climb, especially across the south and east of the uk. as the low pressure moves and it will get fresh again. you can see temperatures rising across the south of the country, up to 28 degrees into next weekend, generally, speaking because low pressure is nearby it will stay unsettled, most showers and thunderstorms across the north and west of the country.
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live from london, this is bbc news. emmanuel macron is expected to meet mayors from french cities following days of violence. an energy boss warns that bills in the uk could spike again this winter. and concerns that not enough is being done to protect nhs whistle—blowers. hello, i'm mark lobel. good morning to viewers in the uk. warm greetings if you're watching around the world. the french president is to meet mayors later today from cities and towns affected by six nights of unrest. tens of thousands of officers were deployed again yesterday evening with another 80 people arrested. it follows calls for the violence to end from the grandmother
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of nahel m, the teenager shot dead by french police in a traffic

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