a military operation. palestinian officials say it's an invasion. at least 8 people have died. we'll have the latest. joining me on the panel tonight — joel rubin who served in the obama administration as assistant to the secretary of state, and paul waugh — chief political commentator for the i paper. also on the programme tonight, people in france have been gathering outside town halls to call for calm after days of riots. police are bracing for more clashes tonight following the shooting of a teenage boy by police last week. just weeks after the secretary of state antony blinken met with xi jinping — us treasury secretary janet yellen will head to beijing this week as the world's two biggest economies look to find ways to work together on trade. and, in the uk, last month

was the hottestjune on record. but wildlife experts have warned the heat has caused the death of an unprecedented number of fish. hundreds of israeli soldiers backed by drones and armoured bulldozers are continuing a sustained assault on palestinian militants in the occupied west bank city ofjenin. the palestinian health ministry says eight palestinians have been killed and 50 others wounded. it's one of its biggest raids in the territory by israel for 20 years. the operation started with multiple drone strikes on thejenin refugee camp, and israeli army vehicles were seen moving in. israel claims the camp contains a command centre for palestinian militants. palestinian leaders say it's an attempt to destroy a refugee camp — and that innocent people inside the camp have been bombed. ambulances have struggled to reach those injured because of the intensity of the fighting. palestinians have been throwing stones at israeli troops from behind

burning street barricades. fighting is continuing — and there've been gun battles on the streets with palestinian militants — seen here — firing at the israeli army. israeli vehicles have been seen firing tear gas. the un secretary—general antonio guterres says all military operations must be conducted with full respect for international humanitarian law. the us state department said it was vital to take all possible precautions to prevent the killing of civilians. earlier, i spoke to the spokesman for the israeli army, richard hecht. i asked him how he was sure that the israeli army was reaching militants and not civilians in thejenin refugee camp. we are focusing on... again, this is a very cynical enemy, they have embedded themselves within the civilian population. jenin, there are guns and ids, command centres. this is notjust national uprise.

this is a hornet�*s nest of terrorism which we are trying to harm. and it's not that, we are defending ourselves. these are people that are leaving israel, leaving jenin and coming to attack us in our home front. we have had 25 shooting incidents in the last year, before that much more. they have been coming into tel aviv. it has crossed the line and we had to go and handle it. but the killing of people, a deadly attack, one of the deadliest in two decades. last year, more palestinian people were killed in the west bank than in two decades. surely an escalation of this violence is not going to find peace any time soon. well, first of all, our priority as a military is to defend our people. and it is very, very simple equation. if the guns are down, and again, i'm not talking about the political horizon

of what will happen between the two nations, but again, if the guns go down, there will be quiet. live now to our guest khalid elgindy a senior fellow at the middle east institute where he also directs mei's programme on palestine and israeli—palestinian affairs. he has previously advised palestinian leadership in ramallah on negotiations with israel. there israeli military are calling it a military operation, the palestinians are calling it an invasion. what is your take? it is a military operation _ invasion. what is your take? it is a military operation and _ invasion. what is your take? it is a military operation and invasion - invasion. what is your take? it is a | military operation and invasion and all of the above. the problem is that the israeli leaders don't distinguish between militant activity directed at an occupying army and attacks on civilians, which of course would be considered terrorism. they consider any type of palestinian resistance, frankly even

if it is peaceful, they have declared human rights groups in the occupied territory as a terrorist organisation. i don't think we can take a truly military spokespeople at face value point the use of the words terrorism. what's the use in a blanket way to apply across the board. what is happening now in jenin and in the refugee camp in particular and what has been happening for the past year plus is not surgery or defending itself, per se, but sustaining its military occupation, and the only way to maintain and military operation, a military occupation, is through force, coercion and repression. anderson is palestinians pick up weapons to oppose such occupation, this is a sort of outcome that received. so, it is part and parcel of occupation. if you have occupation and denial of freedom,

you will have resistance. and sometimes that resistance will be armed. . . ., ., ., armed. richard haque would say that that action is — armed. richard haque would say that that action is purely _ armed. richard haque would say that that action is purely to _ armed. richard haque would say that that action is purely to defend - that action is purely to defend israeli people. iasked if that action is purely to defend israeli people. i asked if it was about expanding territory, and he flatly denied it. it’s about expanding territory, and he flatly denied it.— flatly denied it. it's not as about ex-aandin flatly denied it. it's not as about expanding more _ flatly denied it. it's not as about expanding more territory, - flatly denied it. it's not as about expanding more territory, the i expanding more territory, the already control all of the west bank, including jenin and jenin refugee camp, and all of the west bank and gaza they don't need to expand beyond that, but this is clearly intended to maintain that occupation. when we see armed militants resisting an invading army and in ukraine people cheer them as heroes. when we see armed militants resisting an occupying army in the west bank, people have a different reaction. so, we need to apply the same standards. and frankly,

international law is clear. palestinians have a right to defend themselves against an occupation. they have the right to resist. and it will of course is not defending in cities. it's arm is in the centre of palestinian towns, villages and refugee camps. it is not palestinian militants were invading israeli towns. what international recourse towns. what international recourse to palestinians have? they really don't have much at all. they have a count of the feckless and weak leadership in ramallah. the united states more or less kind of mimics is really talking points for the most part, talking about israel has a right to defend itself. that is not really the role of the mediator, thatis not really the role of the mediator, that is not a responsible role to play, to essentially green light

innocent military action against a stateless population, who are very poorly armed. let's not forget, israel is the most powerful military in all of the middle east, and saw a few pockets of armed militants and a handful of palestinian villages and refugee camps does not really pose a threat to israel. in any meaningful way, and so the international community really has a responsibility to restrain israel, as both the occupying power under state militarily superior force here. and what they're hearing now as reports of massive destruction of palestinian infrastructure injenin refugee camp, roads and electricity has been cut off, hundreds of palestinian families are being evacuated to apparently under orders of the israeli military, to leave

their homes, and so we can expect much more destruction and quite possibly casualties as well. let us talk to our panel. thank you both forjoining us. i will start with you, joel, the question aboutjanine, what reaction has there been to this operation or invasion injenin in the us? has there been to this operation or invasion in jenin in the us?- invasion in jenin in the us? first, what we are _ invasion in jenin in the us? first, what we are seeing _ invasion in jenin in the us? first, what we are seeing is _ invasion in jenin in the us? first, what we are seeing is the - invasion in jenin in the us? first, what we are seeing is the most . what we are seeing is the most severe and intense israeli strikes that we have seen in more than two

decades through the american administration in many ways was caught off guard by the strike. we are seeing an immediate language of not harming civilians, respect for ezra �*s right to defend itself and those kind of bottled up responses one tends to get, especially on a holiday weekend. but i think there is already a lot of frustration with what is happening behind the scenes in the stepping back, the context of president netanyahu engagement with the palestinians has been nothing but hostile and rhetorical. we have seen calls for expanding settlements in parts of the west bank where israel withdrew in 2006 and said they would never return. now more than 5000 units are being proposed to be constructed. we saw riots by

settlers by —— in the last couple of weeks. this cause significant harm to civilians and the edge of the defence force stood by until they had to intercede. the administration is looking at the situation and saying it cannot do much. i think that's a mistake but right now they don't have a lot of option behind the scene and there is a lot of frustration that the netanyahu government is running roughshod right now and it was predictable but clearly seems to be without any limit. , ., _, , clearly seems to be without any limit. , ., , , ., clearly seems to be without any limit. , , ,. limit. this of course is a sub'ect that our limit. this of course is a sub'ect that your paperi limit. this of course is a sub'ect that your paper is i limit. this of course is a sub'ect that your paper is covering, h limit. this of course is a subject that your paper is covering, we | that your paper is covering, we heard carried say there seems to be one sort of rules for ukrainians having the right to defend their own country and another set for palestinians, defending themselves being viewed in a different way, is

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the regulator received a0 complaints. you're live with bbc news. to paris now — where police are bracing for more clashes with protesters tonight. earlier today there were more calls for calm after almost a week of rioting. crowds gathered in solidarity with one of the mayors of a paris suburb, whose wife and children were forced to flee, after a burning vehicle was targeted at their house. it was calmer on the streets of france last night — with around 150 arrests compared, with more than 700 the night before — but pressure on the government continues. live now to rhokaya diallo, a french writer, journalist & film—maker. thank you forjoining us. you have thank you for “oining us. you have written a thank you forjoining us. you have written a column _ thank you forjoining us. you have written a column in _ thank you forjoining us. you have

written a column in the _ thank you forjoining us. you have written a column in the garden - written a column in the garden saying france is ignored racist police violence for decades and this uprising is a price of that denial, how bad is the price of that denial, how bad is the price of that denial, how bad is the price of that denial, how bad has it got? i how bad is the price of that denial, how bad has it got?— how bad has it got? i think it has not bad how bad has it got? i think it has got bad for _ how bad has it got? i think it has got bad for a _ how bad has it got? i think it has got bad for a long _ how bad has it got? i think it has got bad for a long time. - how bad has it got? i think it has got bad for a long time. this - how bad has it got? i think it has got bad for a long time. this hadj got bad for a long time. this had been videotaped which is why it sparked so much outrage because there was proof of a shooting against a teenager. but several people have been shot dead by the police over the last decades and most of them, belong to minorities, ethnic and racial minorities so that is why so many people are on the streets and are angry because many of them feel like they belong to our group that is targeted by these kinds of actions.— group that is targeted by these kinds of actions. today we heard a fundraising — kinds of actions. today we heard a fundraising effort _ kinds of actions. today we heard a fundraising effort for _ kinds of actions. today we heard a fundraising effort for the - kinds of actions. today we heard a l fundraising effort for the policeman who was responsible for the shooting

has raised almosti million euros while the fundraising efforts for the family of the hell has raised a couple of hundred thousand. —— of na hell. how do you feel about that? actually that fund has exceeded i million euros. i think it says a lot about the state of racism in france. if you see the fund in the comments that comes with a night of money that comes with a night of money thatis that comes with a night of money that is given to the police officer who shot a 17—year—old teenager, it is appalling. there are so many abusive and racist comments. i think it tells a lot about the level of strength of the far right because the crowdfunding was initiated by a far right activist and i really

question the host of the crowdfunding because that amount of money will go to racist organisations and making and labelling is also taking part and encouraging those groups who spark hate over the country. we have not asked go find me for a response on that but it is definitely a story we will continue to follow, especially as the fundraising numbers go up. we are speaking to journalists on both the uk and america. america of course has seen this many times before but after the george floyd incident it was time for the country to come together and reassess its attitude to racism, is now time for france to reassess its attitude? it

should be time for them to reassess their attitude but the thing is there — their attitude but the thing is there is— their attitude but the thing is there is no acknowledgement of the fact that _ there is no acknowledgement of the fact that tragedy was started, was first started by racism. it is racism _ first started by racism. it is racism which originated the violence and it— racism which originated the violence and it is— racism which originated the violence and it is the — racism which originated the violence and it is the reason why people are so outraged. the un issued a statement last week to tell fans it has to— statement last week to tell fans it has to deal with its profound issues of racism — has to deal with its profound issues of racism. response from the french authorities— of racism. response from the french authorities was dismissal. the authority— authorities was dismissal. the authority said there was nothing to address— authority said there was nothing to address regarding racism in the police _ address regarding racism in the police and that is the reason why do not come _ police and that is the reason why do not come to— police and that is the reason why do not come to a time like in the us to come _ not come to a time like in the us to come together and acknowledge, to face a _ come together and acknowledge, to face a history of racism because we do not _ face a history of racism because we do not want — face a history of racism because we do not want to accept the idea and the fact— do not want to accept the idea and the fact that racism has been here for centuries and is the legacy of slavery— for centuries and is the legacy of slavery and colonialism.- for centuries and is the legacy of slavery and colonialism. thank you ve much slavery and colonialism. thank you very much for—

slavery and colonialism. thank you very much for your _ slavery and colonialism. thank you very much for your time. _ let us bring in our panel. listening to what she said, she does not seem to what she said, she does not seem to have much hope for the future in france. what parallels can you draw with events in america three years ago? with events in america three years a . 0? ~ with events in america three years am? . , with events in america three years auo? , ., ago? with her comments, i cannot hel but ago? with her comments, i cannot help but feel _ ago? with her comments, i cannot help but feel a _ ago? with her comments, i cannot help but feel a sadness, _ ago? with her comments, i cannot help but feel a sadness, a - ago? with her comments, i cannot help but feel a sadness, a deep . help but feel a sadness, a deep sadness and listening to the desperation of what is happening in france because, yes, we had street protest three years ago across the country in the wake of the murder of george floyd and then we had mechanisms that were used at a local level, national level and state governments to try to address that. without a doubt, not enough has been done, not even close. there is no full national reckoning we can look

at and say this has now changed policy across the country. we are actually seeing political blowback to an open dialogue for the need for discussion about equity and inclusion, we see republican politicians attacked us. but there is a process and system and way for people to weigh in. what i hear about francis there is not even an acknowledgement at official level and an enabling of a policy change. —— about france. it is so essential to calm down the rage and depression that communities of colour, targeted minorities feel when they are targeted as we stop by the national police. so that is very upsetting dialogue to hear. it is definitely a different debate in terms of where it is in the discussion from where we are in the united states. stand

we are in the united states. and paul we are in the united states. and paul, we we are in the united states. and paul. we have — we are in the united states. and paul, we have heard calls for calm, we had gatherings that have been coming together in unified by the fundraising, raising over $1 million for the police involved, what is your take on that? i for the police involved, what is your take on that?— for the police involved, what is your take on that? i thank the fact that go fund _ your take on that? i thank the fact that go fund me _ your take on that? i thank the fact that go fund me have _ your take on that? i thank the fact that go fund me have allowed - your take on that? i thank the fact j that go fund me have allowed this your take on that? i thank the fact i that go fund me have allowed this to happen will cause controversy. it highlights the polarisation in france. joe made a bigger point, there has been some kind of reckoning in the usjust there has been some kind of reckoning in the us just as there has been an attempt at that in the uk in the wake of george floyd's murder and the black lives matter movement has sparked conversation but it does not seem to be a conversation in france, itjust seems like further polarisation. i think one of the big problems in france is the state does not even allow their collection of data on ethnicity. you can normally gather

some of the statistics and other countries like the us and uk about improving lives but you cannot legally collect back in france so it is difficult to see how they can have a reckoning.— is difficult to see how they can have a reckoning. yes, it does give su ort have a reckoning. yes, it does give support to — have a reckoning. yes, it does give support to what — have a reckoning. yes, it does give support to what our _ have a reckoning. yes, it does give support to what our guests - have a reckoning. yes, it does give support to what our guests said - support to what our guests said about having little hope for the future. let us move on to another subject. here in the uk there are calls for whistleblowers in the national health service to get more support. 25,000 people came forward last year to raise concerns about failings in the nhs. some say that speaking up has affected their careers, or damaged their mental and physical health. the official body in england which handles concerns from whistleblowers says too many staff are still not getting enough protection from their managers. let us get more from you on this. surely whistle—blowing is an essential part of democracy. people have to be able to blow the whistle on a bad service especially someone like the nhs.

on a bad service especially someone like the nhs-— like the nhs. absolutely and we as “ournalists like the nhs. absolutely and we as journalists rely _ like the nhs. absolutely and we as journalists rely on _ like the nhs. absolutely and we as journalists rely on whistle-blowers| journalists rely on whistle—blowers or informants, they are the people who are the heroes and raising the alarm when something is going wrong. it takes a lot of bravery to do it and we are finding out that in our own cherished nhs which most brits dearly love and think it's part of being british, we have 25,000 nhs whistle—blower is in the workforce, thatis whistle—blower is in the workforce, that is extraordinary and is up one quarter on the year before, raising issues like patient safety and bullying. that points to a wider problem which is perhaps the culture in some parts of the nhs which is perhaps like the police force, which is because you are on a public service that is often under pressure and strain, you build camaraderie to cope with that but sometimes the downside of that can be the sense that any criticism as betrayal of

your colleagues. that culture is one thatis your colleagues. that culture is one that is quite worrying. it needs really skilful managers to make sure that whistle—blowers are heard whenever there is a complain about bullying or malpractice or unsafe practice. i bullying or malpractice or unsafe ractice. , practice. i will “ump in there, we only have — practice. i will “ump in there, we only have as — practice. i willjump in there, we only have 45 seconds _ practice. i willjump in there, we only have 45 seconds left, - practice. i willjump in there, we only have 45 seconds left, how l only have 45 seconds left, how strong is the support for with —— whistle—blowers in the us? it is strong is the support for with -- whistle-blowers in the us? it is a critical part _ whistle-blowers in the us? it is a critical part of _ whistle-blowers in the us? it is a critical part of how _ whistle-blowers in the us? it is a critical part of how we _ whistle-blowers in the us? it is a critical part of how we run - whistle-blowers in the us? it is a critical part of how we run our - critical part of how we run our government. it is not perfect but it is in place. — government. it is not perfect but it is in place, for whistle—blowers to lodge _ is in place, for whistle—blowers to lodge complaints and remain anonymous which is because they are working _ anonymous which is because they are working for— anonymous which is because they are working for the people. these are agencies, — working for the people. these are agencies, departments or ministries which _ agencies, departments or ministries which are _ agencies, departments or ministries which are there to serve the public and a _ which are there to serve the public and a public servant should be able to ekplain— and a public servant should be able to explain what is going wrong so the public— to explain what is going wrong so the public itself can benefit from the public itself can benefit from the change that might come as a result— the change that might come as a result of— the change that might come as a result of the whistle being blown so protections are crucial to ensuring the delivery of service for the

people — the delivery of service for the --eole. , , . ., people. absolutely. we will hear more from _ people. absolutely. we will hear more from you — people. absolutely. we will hear more from you shortly. - people. absolutely. we will hear more from you shortly. you're i more from you shortly. you're watching bbc news. hello there. we start off with the news thatjune was the hottest on record and we absolutely annihilated the previous record. normally we see these records broken by a tenth of a degree or so. this year we beat the previous record by nine tenths of a degree celsius. and scientists at the met office tell us that the likelihood of beating the previous record had doubled as a result of the emissions of greenhouse gases in recent decades, and if we carry on like this, junes like the one just gone will come round once every two years by the time we're into the 1950s. now, today's been a very showery kind of day. some heavy deluges, some thunderstorms rumbling away across parts of the midlands, parts of northern england as well. and we've got more of those showers to come overnight as well. now, some lengthy spells of rain push southwards across scotland,

reaching the central belt by dawn. some showers for northern ireland. and we'll start to see an area of rain move back in across parts of south—west england and southern wales as well. 0n into the forecast for tuesday. well, it is going to be an unsettled day as these two weather fronts kind of merge together to give some longer outbreaks of rain, i think, across parts of eastern england. so, expect rain at times. i think this area of rain could end up being a lot more extensive, working across east anglia, southern england and could be very slow to let up as well. further northwards we've got our band of rain sliding southwards across scotland and northern ireland, probably turning a bit more showery in nature. and those temperatures still a little bit disappointing for the time of year, 17 to 19 celsius. but i fear, although we saw some interruptions to play at wimbledon on monday, i suspect we'll have much lengthier interruptions around for tuesday, so the weather could get in the way of play for some time. by wednesday, low pressure still with us but it's weakening and although there will be some showers around the majority of those, i think, will be across parts of west scotland and northern ireland. elsewhere, probably a dry morning.

there might be a few showers building through the day across england and wales but pretty isolated, i think there will be much bigger gaps between any showers bigger gaps between any showers and that means more in the way and that means more in the way of dry weather, more sunshine, of dry weather, more sunshine, and that should help boost and that should help boost temperatures into the low 20s. temperatures into the low 20s. now, towards the end of the week now, towards the end of the week we're going to see a slow—moving we're going to see a slow—moving weather front across the west towards the end of the week. bringing heavy rain, might see some flooding issues across parts of northern ireland. this rain band looks really intense. but further eastwards, suddenly winds will start to drag up some much warmer air and so temperatures could hit 27 degrees in london