good morning, welcome to the nation's phone in. it is a big one today. lots of people have been screaming at us, asking us politely, to talk about this. we are in the zone today, low emission zones. ultra low emission zones, clean air zones, emissions impossible. why today? ajudicial review zones, emissions impossible. why today? a judicial review into sadiq khan's plan to expand london's ultra low emission zone begins this morning. is ulez for you? it means that peope who drive noncompliant vehicles in the zone have to pay a daily charge of £12.50. it is coming to a city near you.

loads of similar schemes, key differences but with the same aim. it is happening a lot of already, as you probably know. the idea is, breathe. some people say lights versus livelihoods, soaring cost of living, soaring number of health problems from pollution. —— some people say it is set versus livelihoods. a dichotomy is shaping politics. some of the arguments are on the working classes, take london, sw19, leafy london, less of a problem than in e14, less leafy tower hamlets. the question, is ulez for you? tower hamlets. the question, is ulez foryou? —— sw19, tower hamlets. the question, is ulez for you? —— sw19, leafy wimbledon.

here is the news from nick hatfield. good morning. the high court is to hear arguments for and against the expansion of london's ultra low emission zone. five conservative—led councils are challenging the move by mayor sadiq khan, who says it's needed to tackle air pollution. financial regulators will demand to know why banks aren't passing on higher interest rates to savers more quickly, despite increasing interest on mortgages. hsbc, natwest, lloyds and barclays have been called to attend a meeting on thursday. israel's national security adviser says the large military operation in the occupied west bank is close to achieving its aims. palestinian officials say around 3,000 people have fled jenin refugee camp. the boss of sainsbury�*s says food prices are not rising as fast as they were, which has seen a rise in the amount customers are spending. the supermarket�*s chief executive simon roberts says they're fully committed to passing on savings.

ultra low emission zones, low emission zones, clean air zones, a good example is what is happening in london, five conservative led councils, bexley, bromley, harrow, hillington and surrey, say it would have a big financial impact on motorists and has launched legal action because they say it was not done procedurally, correctly. huge debate in and around london and in and around other cities. glasgow expanded their eyes at the beginning ofjune. take london, sw19, you have the image in your minds, it is all over our television sets, if you have a 1966 aston martin db five you can probably afford the £12.50 per

day. tower hamlets, if you have a noncompliant car, an eight—year—old diesel, a value use for work, you might feel he was stuffed and possibly not best pleased —— a van that you use for work. you will have to pass it on to the customer or have problems continuing your business. betterforthe business. better for the environment, health, business. betterforthe environment, health, the economy, fitness. betterforthe environment, health, the economy, fitness. better for the economy? environment, health, the economy, fitness. betterfor the economy? the cost of treating the health issues and illnesses is a strain on the nhs so there are lots of circular arguments, and we want to hear them. call me on 08085 909693, text 85058. kyle in surbiton and andy in perth, good morning. perth, anything happening in perth? it hasjust been expanded in glasgow. what do you want to say?

glasgow implemented it injune, as you say, and we bore the brunt of it recently going to my daughter's graduation. it meant the two because we had, the family car and my parents�* car, were excluded from the zone. it's meant as parents we drove to glasgow, parked in the suburbs and polluted them and stared at on a train. —— and thenjumped on a train. —— and thenjumped on a train. my parents caught a train from perth aged 81 and 91, which was not ideal. everybody wants to breathe clean air, i don't think we have a problem with that, but it is how you go about it. i think we will be taxed quietly, under the cover of green issues. be taxed quietly, under the cover of green issues-_ green issues. what about the very serious health _ green issues. what about the very serious health issues? _ green issues. what about the very serious health issues? my - green issues. what about the very. serious health issues? my daughter has suffered — serious health issues? my daughter has suffered from _ serious health issues? my daughter has suffered from asthma _ serious health issues? my daughter has suffered from asthma in - serious health issues? my daughter has suffered from asthma in the - has suffered from asthma in the past, she was living at the city

centre within a stone's throw of george squire, so i absolutely get the clean airthing, george squire, so i absolutely get the clean air thing, but the irony is i could drive my 1972 diesel tractor right to the centre of where her flat was but i cannot drive my diesel ten—year—old toyota rav4, so there are inconsistencies. the scheme stretches _ there are inconsistencies. the scheme stretches between the salt market to the east, the river clyde to the south, the m8 motorway to the west but not actually the m8 itself, thatis west but not actually the m8 itself, that is in glasgow. but people are talking about a mission creep, like ink on blotting paper. good one, and d. kyle in surbiton? how are you? good, thank you. we have upgraded our fleet, good, thank you. we have upgraded ourfleet, all of our good, thank you. we have upgraded our fleet, all of our vehicles are compliant with ulez. we were

upgrading the street but maybe one a year when we had to, we have had to buy six vehicles in the last year. that is more than we would have done in such a short space of time. i think it is good we are moving in this direction but i don't think there has been enough thought to the impact it will have on people and i do not think there is enough support. a couple of years ago we applied for the scrappage scheme and were granted for three vehicles on the original ulez expansion. for the new expansion, we are not eligible because we have had it before. there are people in the area we are in, we are people in the area we are in, we are based in surbiton and you will have people who live just outside of ulez, maybe elderly people, who had

to come into the ulez zone for their shopping, i don't think they can afford, not all of them, to buy new vehicles, especially for once or twice a week.— vehicles, especially for once or twice a week. 12.50 p per day. i'm leased twice a week. 12.50 p per day. i'm pleased you _ twice a week. 12.50 p per day. i'm pleased you mentioned _ twice a week. 12.50 p per day. i'm pleased you mentioned the - twice a week. 12.50 p per day. i'm - pleased you mentioned the scrappage scheme, payments to applicants to scrap or retrofit vehicles that do not meet emission standards and switch to cleaner, greener modes of transport —— £12.50 per day. people say that scheme is insufficient. it is most definitely insufficient. the original scheme, you would get £7,500 for scrapping your vehicle. they have reduce that cost despite the fact that the cost of vehicles has increased significantly. we bought a few £12.50 which we had to get rid of because they were not

ulez compliant, we pay 12 grants for them, we paid nine grants for one recently, three times the amount we would have paid before. —— we paid 12 grand for them. bath has class c, several cities class g, tyneside, newcastle and gateshead class c, greater manchester is under review, we have mentioned glasgow, aberdeen, dundee and edinburgh are looking at it and we'll start it very soon. it is coming. it is with you already, the lender in bexley? —— linda in bexley. the lender in bexley? -- linda in bexle . ~ . , ., ., bexley. we get the decision today from the high _ bexley. we get the decision today from the high court _ bexley. we get the decision today from the high court whether - bexley. we get the decision today from the high court whether it - bexley. we get the decision today| from the high court whether it will be in _ from the high court whether it will be in bexley from the 29th of august — be in bexley from the 29th of august i_ be in bexley from the 29th of august. i will probably have to close — august. i will probably have to close my— august. i will probably have to close my shop because of age. i sell

wedding _ close my shop because of age. i sell wedding dresses. brides generally travel_ wedding dresses. brides generally travel all— wedding dresses. brides generally travel all over the country to briddl— travel all over the country to bridal designers. i have had somebody come down from manchester, somebody— somebody come down from manchester, somebody from wales. they are already — somebody from wales. they are already asking if i'm in the ulez because — already asking if i'm in the ulez because they can't justify £12.50 plus parking charges plus fuel. my car is _ plus parking charges plus fuel. my car is not — plus parking charges plus fuel. my car is not compliant, i was told i could _ car is not compliant, i was told i could not— car is not compliant, i was told i could not get the £2000 scrappage and i could not get the £2000 scrappage and i can't — could not get the £2000 scrappage and i can't afford to upgrade my car stop the _ and i can't afford to upgrade my car stop the people that live in bexley too, it _ stop the people that live in bexley too, it will— stop the people that live in bexley too, it will affect everyone. for the listeners, _ too, it will affect everyone. er?" the listeners, why can't they get a train? ., ., , ., train? the train generates more ollution train? the train generates more pollution than _ train? the train generates more pollution than a _ train? the train generates more pollution than a car. _ train? the train generates more pollution than a car. it - train? the train generates more pollution than a car. it is - train? the train generates more pollution than a car. it isjust i train? the train generates more | pollution than a car. it isjust the pollution than a car. it is just the samef _ pollution than a car. it is just the same. isn't — pollution than a car. it is just the same, isn't it? first you have all

the strikes — same, isn't it? first you have all the strikes going on. i can't get to work_ the strikes going on. i can't get to work by— the strikes going on. i can't get to work by train. the strikes going on. i can't get to work by train-— the strikes going on. i can't get to work by train. that is a point about the strikes. _ work by train. that is a point about the strikes, but _ work by train. that is a point about the strikes, but in _ work by train. that is a point about the strikes, but in an _ work by train. that is a point about the strikes, but in an ideal - work by train. that is a point about the strikes, but in an ideal world . the strikes, but in an ideal world when that is not happening, trains are much cleaner and greener. this is not a fear that will not be realised, you are convinced this will affect your business? yes. my customers — will affect your business? yes. my customers don't _ will affect your business? yes. my customers don't just _ will affect your business? yes. my customers don'tjust come - will affect your business? yes. my customers don'tjust come to - will affect your business? yes. my customers don'tjust come to me | customers don'tjust come to me once, _ customers don'tjust come to me once, they— customers don'tjust come to me once, they come want to buy their wedding _ once, they come want to buy their wedding dress, then they come back full fittings, they could be back three _ full fittings, they could be back three or— full fittings, they could be back three or four times in the course of a month— three or four times in the course of a month -- — three or four times in the course of a month —— they come once to buy their— a month —— they come once to buy their wedding dress. that is a lot of cost _ their wedding dress. that is a lot of cost to— their wedding dress. that is a lot of cost to come for the fittings and they also— of cost to come for the fittings and they also had to pay for settings, they also had to pay for settings, they can't— they also had to pay for settings, they can't do it and i can't subsidise _ they can't do it and i can't subsidise this for my brides. they are more likely _ subsidise this for my brides. they are more likely to _ subsidise this for my brides. they are more likely to have _ subsidise this for my brides. they are more likely to have a - subsidise this for my brides. tue: are more likely to have a compliant car. ~ ., , , ., , are more likely to have a compliant car. ., ., are more likely to have a compliant car. maybe not. they are not going to. it car. maybe not. they are not going to- it affects _ car. maybe not. they are not going to. it affects school _ car. maybe not. they are not going to. it affects school teachers, - to. it affects school teachers, carers, — to. it affects school teachers,

carers, nurses.— to. it affects school teachers, carers, nurses. plumbers, all of their equipment _ carers, nurses. plumbers, all of their equipment in _ carers, nurses. plumbers, all of their equipment in the - carers, nurses. plumbers, all of their equipment in the back- carers, nurses. plumbers, all of their equipment in the back of. carers, nurses. plumbers, all of. their equipment in the back of the van. they mightjust slap it on the bill too, pass it on and then there's plumbers with compliant cars will not pass it on. stay there, linda. ed in upminster, hi. 0liver in richmond. 0liver, he will make an interesting point in a minute, but is ulez for you, edwards? it is interesting point in a minute, but is ulez for you, edwards?- is ulez for you, edwards? it is an absolute catastrophe _ is ulez for you, edwards? it is an absolute catastrophe for - is ulez for you, edwards? it is an absolute catastrophe for me - is ulez for you, edwards? it is an absolute catastrophe for me and| is ulez for you, edwards? it is an i absolute catastrophe for me and my community. it is a catastrophe for my family. currently i a personal trainer and sports massage therapist. mr khan seems to expect me to carry 100 kilograms of weights or a massage bed and a massage chair on a bus. he seems to expect me to

teach inside the ulez zone, effectively going to meet will cost the customer £12.50 to drive one mile extra —— effectively going to me. he is consciously attempting to destroy business in outer london. consciously attempting? isn't he just thinking about toxic air, a threat to millions? his just thinking about toxic air, a threat to millions?— just thinking about toxic air, a threat to millions? his own figures sa that at threat to millions? his own figures say that at best _ threat to millions? his own figures say that at best there _ threat to millions? his own figures say that at best there will - threat to millions? his own figures say that at best there will be - threat to millions? his own figures say that at best there will be a - threat to millions? his own figures say that at best there will be a 1%| say that at best there will be a 1% fall in the quantity of m 02 and c02 in outer london. it is utterly marginal and in outer london. it is utterly marginaland a in outer london. it is utterly marginal and a fantasy figure from neil ferguson's research institute, the same people who published all the same people who published all the lies about covid going to kill the lies about covid going to kill the entire world. it is absolutely preposterous. there are three farms

on my road, mr campbell. here statistics, _ on my road, mr campbell. here statistics. if _ on my road, mr campbell. here statistics, if you _ on my road, mr campbell. here statistics, if you are _ on my road, mr campbell. here statistics, if you are looking - on my road, mr campbell. here statistics, if you are looking at a screen, nitrogen oxide emissions would be down 5.4%. that screen, nitrogen oxide emissions would be down 5.4%._ would be down 5.4%. that is not true. would be down 5.4%. that is not true- oliver. _ would be down 5.496. that is not true. oliver, what— would be down 5.496. that is not true. oliver, what do _ would be down 5.496. that is not true. oliver, what do you - would be down 5.496. that is not true. oliver, what do you say? l true. oliver, what do you say? hello, wonderful— true. oliver, what do you say? hello, wonderful programme l true. oliver, what do you say? | hello, wonderful programme as true. oliver, what do you say? - hello, wonderful programme as usual. so far. _ hello, wonderful programme as usual. so far. so— hello, wonderful programme as usual. so far, so good. i hello, wonderful programme as usual. so far. so good-— so far, so good. i thank the bbc for highlighting — so far, so good. i thank the bbc for highlighting this _ so far, so good. i thank the bbc for highlighting this extremely - highlighting this extremely important issue. what do you say to people _ important issue. what do you say to people who — important issue. what do you say to people who are angry, lender and edge _ people who are angry, lender and edge are — people who are angry, lender and edge are furious. -- people who are angry, lender and edge are furious.— people who are angry, lender and edge are furious. -- what do you say to --eole edge are furious. -- what do you say to people who _ edge are furious. -- what do you say to people who are — edge are furious. -- what do you say to people who are angry, _ edge are furious. -- what do you say to people who are angry, linda - edge are furious. -- what do you say to people who are angry, linda and l to people who are angry, linda and edward are furious, their business are threatened. you edward are furious, their business are threatened.— are threatened. you are talking about costs. _ are threatened. you are talking about costs. if _ are threatened. you are talking about costs. if we _ are threatened. you are talking about costs. if we don't - are threatened. you are talking about costs. if we don't take i about costs. if we don't take measures— about costs. if we don't take measures to combat climate change, the costs _ measures to combat climate change, the costs will be something you

cannot — the costs will be something you cannot imagine, my friends. | the costs will be something you cannot imagine, my friends. i am sor , cannot imagine, my friends. i am sorry. you _ cannot imagine, my friends. i am sorry. you are — cannot imagine, my friends. i am sorry, you are relying _ cannot imagine, my friends. i am sorry, you are relying on - cannot imagine, my friends. i am sorry, you are relying on it- sorry, you are relying on it fantasy. sorry, you are relying on it fantasy-— sorry, you are relying on it fantas . , ,, ., ,, fantasy. listen, you and your grandchildren, _ fantasy. listen, you and your grandchildren, they - fantasy. listen, you and your grandchildren, they might. fantasy. listen, you and your| grandchildren, they might not fantasy. listen, you and your - grandchildren, they might not live to see _ grandchildren, they might not live to see it — grandchildren, they might not live to see it. just listen. we have to take _ to see it. just listen. we have to take measures and they had to be... both _ take measures and they had to be... both talk _ take measures and they had to be... both talk at once if take measures and they had to be... both talk at once— take measures and they had to be... both talk at once if we are going to combat climate _ both talk at once if we are going to combat climate change, _ both talk at once if we are going to combat climate change, this _ both talk at once if we are going to combat climate change, this is - both talk at once if we are going to combat climate change, this is a - combat climate change, this is a small— combat climate change, this is a small step — combat climate change, this is a small step in the right direction. it small step in the right direction. it isn't — small step in the right direction. it isn't. . , small step in the right direction. it isn't. , ., small step in the right direction. itisn't. , ., ., , it isn't. last year was the hottest june ever- _ it isn't. last year was the hottest june ever- you — it isn't. last year was the hottest june ever. you are _ it isn't. last year was the hottest june ever. you are shouting - it isn't. last year was the hottest june ever. you are shouting for. it isn't. last year was the hottestl june ever. you are shouting for no reason because — june ever. you are shouting for no reason because you _ june ever. you are shouting for no reason because you don't - june ever. you are shouting for no i reason because you don't understand what you are talking about. what what you are talking about. what measures do _ what you are talking about. what measures do you _ what you are talking about. what measures do you need _ what you are talking about. what measures do you need to - what you are talking about. what measures do you need to wake up? what you are talking about. what - measures do you need to wake up? i'm sor , do measures do you need to wake up? sorry, do you measures do you need to wake up? t“n sorry, do you realise it ulez compliant car kicks out no less co2 than i not ulez compliant car? you are talking fantasy. you

than i not ulez compliant car? you are talking fantasy.— than i not ulez compliant car? you are talking fantasy. you have a busy research this — are talking fantasy. you have a busy research this quite _ are talking fantasy. you have a busy research this quite thoroughly. - are talking fantasy. you have a busy research this quite thoroughly. you | research this quite thoroughly. you haven't. research this quite thoroughly. you haven't- -- — research this quite thoroughly. you haven't- -- you _ research this quite thoroughly. you haven't. -- you have _ research this quite thoroughly. you haven't. -- you have obviously - haven't. -- you have obviously researched _ haven't. -- you have obviously researched this _ haven't. -- you have obviously researched this quite - haven't. -- you have obviously i researched this quite thoroughly. you are _ researched this quite thoroughly. you are saying the ulez measures would _ you are saying the ulez measures would have no effect on quality? they— would have no effect on quality? they would have a 1% reduction in c02 they would have a 1% reduction in co2 and n they would have a 1% reduction in c02 and n 02 they would have a 1% reduction in co2 and n 02 according to mr khan's own statistics. because it will be stepping, not driving. greenpeace have released a press statement they make money out of panic. d0 have released a press statement they make money out of panic.— have released a press statement they make money out of panic. do you want to hear what — make money out of panic. do you want to hear what they _ make money out of panic. do you want to hear what they say? _ make money out of panic. do you want to hear what they say? there - make money out of panic. do you want to hear what they say? there will- make money out of panic. do you want to hear what they say? there will be i to hear what they say? there will be no future if — to hear what they say? there will be no future if we _ to hear what they say? there will be no future if we do _ to hear what they say? there will be no future if we do not _ to hear what they say? there will be no future if we do not take - no future if we do not take measures. no future if we do not take measures-— no future if we do not take measures. , ., ., ., ., measures. do you want to get what the sa , measures. do you want to get what they say, everybody? _ measures. do you want to get what they say, everybody? toxic- measures. do you want to get what they say, everybody? toxic air - they say, everybody? toxic air remains an ever present threat to the health of millions of londoners, every borough in the city exceeds pollution levels deemed safe by the

world health organization with households in the most deprived areas exposed to the church is the most dangerous air. we all have a right to breathe clean air because it is one method to reduce the measures for everyone. there should be a transport system which helps people get around without poisoning air. sam in the probably? hi, everybody. —— sam in bromley. t everybody. —— sam in bromley. i understand everybody has a living to make _ understand everybody has a living to make and _ understand everybody has a living to make and i_ understand everybody has a living to make and i understand _ understand everybody has a living to make and i understand the - understand everybody has a living to make and i understand the impact . make and i understand the impact this has _ make and i understand the impact this has i— make and i understand the impact this has i and _ make and i understand the impact this has. i and a _ make and i understand the impact this has. i and a community- make and i understand the impact l this has. land a community midwife in the _ this has. land a community midwife in the nhs, — this has. land a community midwife in the nhs, meaning _ this has. land a community midwife in the nhs, meaning i— this has. land a community midwife in the nhs, meaning i drive- this has. land a community midwife in the nhs, meaning i drive aroundl in the nhs, meaning i drive around bromley— in the nhs, meaning i drive around bromley every _ in the nhs, meaning i drive around bromley every day _ in the nhs, meaning i drive around bromley every day and _ in the nhs, meaning i drive around bromley every day and l— in the nhs, meaning i drive around bromley every day and lam - in the nhs, meaning i drive around bromley every day and lam called i bromley every day and lam called out bromley every day and i am called out to— bromley every day and lam called out to home — bromley every day and lam called out to home births _ bromley every day and lam called out to home births in _ bromley every day and lam called out to home births in the - bromley every day and lam called out to home births in the night. i out to home births in the night. just for— out to home births in the night. just for myself, _

out to home births in the night. just for myself, having - out to home births in the night. just for myself, having an - just for myself, having an eight—year—old _ just for myself, having an eight—year—old diesel- just for myself, having an| eight—year—old diesel car, just for myself, having an . eight—year—old diesel car, it just for myself, having an - eight—year—old diesel car, it will cost _ eight—year—old diesel car, it will cost me — eight—year—old diesel car, it will cost me only— eight—year—old diesel car, it will cost me only two _ eight—year—old diesel car, it will cost me only two almost - eight—year—old diesel car, it will cost me only two almost £365. eight—year—old diesel car, it will cost me only two almost £365 a| eight—year—old diesel car, it will- cost me only two almost £365 a month to -o cost me only two almost £365 a month to go to _ cost me only two almost £365 a month to go to work — cost me only two almost £365 a month to go to work we _ cost me only two almost £365 a month to go to work. we have _ cost me only two almost £365 a month to go to work. we have tried _ cost me only two almost £365 a month to go to work. we have tried to - cost me only two almost £365 a month to go to work. we have tried to get - to go to work. we have tried to get exemptions— to go to work. we have tried to get exemptions because _ to go to work. we have tried to get exemptions because our— to go to work. we have tried to get exemptions because our work- to go to work. we have tried to get exemptions because our work is i exemptions because our work is critical— exemptions because our work is critical and _ exemptions because our work is critical and has _ exemptions because our work is critical and has to _ exemptions because our work is critical and has to be _ exemptions because our work is critical and has to be done, - exemptions because our work is critical and has to be done, we i exemptions because our work is . critical and has to be done, we are getting _ critical and has to be done, we are getting nothing _ critical and has to be done, we are getting nothing back— critical and has to be done, we are getting nothing back whatsoever. i critical and has to be done, we are i getting nothing back whatsoever. the cost for— getting nothing back whatsoever. the cost for me _ getting nothing back whatsoever. the cost for me to — getting nothing back whatsoever. the cost for me to go _ getting nothing back whatsoever. the cost for me to go to _ getting nothing back whatsoever. the cost for me to go to work— getting nothing back whatsoever. the cost for me to go to work will- getting nothing back whatsoever. the cost for me to go to work will not - cost for me to go to work will not be happening _ cost for me to go to work will not be happening it_ cost for me to go to work will not be happening. if we _ cost for me to go to work will not be happening. if we don't - cost for me to go to work will not be happening. if we don't go - cost for me to go to work will not l be happening. if we don't go ahead with the _ be happening. if we don't go ahead with the utez— be happening. if we don't go ahead with the ulez when _ be happening. if we don't go ahead with the ulez when it _ be happening. if we don't go ahead with the ulez when it goes - be happening. if we don't go ahead with the ulez when it goes to - be happening. if we don't go ahead with the ulez when it goes to the l with the ulez when it goes to the hi-h with the ulez when it goes to the high court, — with the ulez when it goes to the high court, there _ with the ulez when it goes to the high court, there is _ with the ulez when it goes to the high court, there is talk- with the ulez when it goes to the high court, there is talk of - with the ulez when it goes to the high court, there is talk of them | high court, there is talk of them charging — high court, there is talk of them charging per— high court, there is talk of them charging per mile. _ high court, there is talk of them charging per mile. l— high court, there is talk of them charging per mile. lcover- high court, there is talk of them charging per mile. 1 cover from i charging per mile. 1 cover from lewisham _ charging per mile. 1 cover from lewisham as— charging per mile. 1 cover from lewisham as far— charging per mile. 1 cover from lewisham as far as _ charging per mile. 1 cover from lewisham as far as hatfield - charging per mile. 1 cover from lewisham as far as hatfield on| charging per mile. 1 cover from . lewisham as far as hatfield on the other— lewisham as far as hatfield on the other side — lewisham as far as hatfield on the other side of— lewisham as far as hatfield on the other side of biggin_ lewisham as far as hatfield on the other side of biggin hill, - lewisham as far as hatfield on the other side of biggin hill, i- other side of biggin hill, i possibly— other side of biggin hill, i possibly do— other side of biggin hill, i possibly do 12 _ other side of biggin hill, i possibly do 12 miles - other side of biggin hill, i. possibly do 12 miles behind other side of biggin hill, i- possibly do 12 miles behind one visit _ possibly do 12 miles behind one visit -- — possibly do 12 miles behind one visit. —— between— possibly do 12 miles behind one visit. —— between one _ possibly do 12 miles behind one visit. —— between one visit. - possibly do 12 miles behind one visit. —— between one visit. it. possibly do 12 miles behind one visit. —— between one visit. it is not _ visit. —— between one visit. it is not acceptable. _ visit. —— between one visit. it is not acceptable. mr— visit. —— between one visit. it is not acceptable. mr khan - visit. —— between one visit. it is not acceptable. mr khan has i visit. —— between one visit. it is- not acceptable. mr khan has messed up not acceptable. mr khan has messed up tfl, _ not acceptable. mr khan has messed up tfl, he _ not acceptable. mr khan has messed up tfl, he is — not acceptable. mr khan has messed up tfl. he is trying _ not acceptable. mr khan has messed up tfl, he is trying to _ not acceptable. mr khan has messed up tfl, he is trying to grab— not acceptable. mr khan has messed up tfl, he is trying to grab some - up tfl, he is trying to grab some money— up tfl, he is trying to grab some money back— up tfl, he is trying to grab some money back from _ up tfl, he is trying to grab some money back from hard—working i up tfl, he is trying to grab some - money back from hard—working people. that is— money back from hard—working people. that is what _ money back from hard—working people. that is what it _ money back from hard—working people. that is what it comes _ money back from hard—working people. that is what it comes down _ money back from hard—working people. that is what it comes down to, - money back from hard—working people. that is what it comes down to, as - that is what it comes down to, as far as _ that is what it comes down to, as far as i _ that is what it comes down to, as far as i am — that is what it comes down to, as far as i am concerned _ that is what it comes down to, as far as i am concerned it— that is what it comes down to, as far as i am concerned it should i that is what it comes down to, asi far as i am concerned it should not be put _ far as i am concerned it should not be put into— far as i am concerned it should not be put into place _ far as i am concerned it should not be put into place. it— far as i am concerned it should not be put into place.— be put into place. it sounds like ou have be put into place. it sounds like you have been _ be put into place. it sounds like you have been campaigning - be put into place. it sounds like you have been campaigning on| be put into place. it sounds like -

you have been campaigning on this? absolutely, i have e—mailed the head of the _ absolutely, i have e—mailed the head of the kings _ absolutely, i have e—mailed the head of the kings trust _ absolutely, i have e—mailed the head of the kings trust and _ absolutely, i have e—mailed the head of the kings trust and explained - absolutely, i have e—mailed the head of the kings trust and explained our i of the kings trust and explained our anxieties. _ of the kings trust and explained our anxieties, because _ of the kings trust and explained our anxieties, because there _ of the kings trust and explained our anxieties, because there are - of the kings trust and explained our anxieties, because there are lots. of the kings trust and explained our anxieties, because there are lots of| anxieties, because there are lots of community— anxieties, because there are lots of community midwives, _ anxieties, because there are lots of community midwives, not - anxieties, because there are lots of community midwives, not just - community midwives, not just midwives— community midwives, notjust midwives but— community midwives, notjust midwives but nurses - community midwives, notjust midwives but nurses who - community midwives, notjust midwives but nurses who do l community midwives, not just - midwives but nurses who do essential work that— midwives but nurses who do essential work that is— midwives but nurses who do essential work that is necessary— midwives but nurses who do essential work that is necessary in _ midwives but nurses who do essential work that is necessary in the - work that is necessary in the community, _ work that is necessary in the community, it— work that is necessary in the community, it is _ work that is necessary in the community, it is not - work that is necessary in the community, it is not a - work that is necessary in the. community, it is not a luxury, work that is necessary in the . community, it is not a luxury, it work that is necessary in the - community, it is not a luxury, it is essentiat — community, it is not a luxury, it is essentiat for— community, it is not a luxury, it is essential. for us _ community, it is not a luxury, it is essential. for us to _ community, it is not a luxury, it is essential. for us to do _ community, it is not a luxury, it is essential. for us to do our- community, it is not a luxury, it is essential. for us to do ourjobs, . essential. for us to do ourjobs, and we — essential. for us to do ourjobs, and we all— essential. for us to do ourjobs, and we all do _ essential. for us to do ourjobs, and we all do our— essential. for us to do ourjobs, and we all do ourjobs _ essential. for us to do ourjobs, and we all do ourjobs for- essential. for us to do ourjobs, and we all do ourjobs for the i essential. for us to do ourjobs, l and we all do ourjobs for the love of the _ and we all do ourjobs for the love of the job, — and we all do ourjobs for the love ofthelob, not— and we all do ourjobs for the love of the job, not the _ and we all do ourjobs for the love of the job, not the money, - and we all do ourjobs for the love of the job, not the money, as - and we all do ourjobs for the love of the job, not the money, as we i and we all do ourjobs for the love . of the job, not the money, as we all know, _ of the job, not the money, as we all know. it _ of the job, not the money, as we all know. it should _ of the job, not the money, as we all know, it should be _ of the job, not the money, as we all know, it should be looked _ of the job, not the money, as we all know, it should be looked into. - know, it should be looked into. 0bviously— know, it should be looked into. obviously i _ know, it should be looked into. obviously i think— know, it should be looked into. obviously i think phasing - know, it should be looked into. obviously i think phasing it - know, it should be looked into. obviously i think phasing it out| obviously i think phasing it out over— obviously i think phasing it out over time — obviously i think phasing it out overtime when— obviously i think phasing it out over time when the _ obviously i think phasing it out over time when the cloud - obviously i think phasing it out over time when the cloud stop| over time when the cloud stop dropping — over time when the cloud stop dropping off— over time when the cloud stop dropping off the _ over time when the cloud stop dropping off the road - over time when the cloud stop dropping off the road is - over time when the cloud stop dropping off the road is a - over time when the cloud stop i dropping off the road is a better way to— dropping off the road is a better way to go— dropping off the road is a better way to go about _ dropping off the road is a better way to go about it, _ dropping off the road is a better way to go about it, but - dropping off the road is a better way to go about it, but charging dropping off the road is a better. way to go about it, but charging us to go— way to go about it, but charging us to go to _ way to go about it, but charging us to go to work— way to go about it, but charging us to go to work is _ way to go about it, but charging us to go to work is not _ way to go about it, but charging us to go to work is not acceptable - way to go about it, but charging us to go to work is not acceptable —— i to go to work is not acceptable —— when _ to go to work is not acceptable —— when the — to go to work is not acceptable —— when the cars— to go to work is not acceptable —— when the cars stop _ to go to work is not acceptable —— when the cars stop dropping - to go to work is not acceptable —— when the cars stop dropping off . to go to work is not acceptable —— i when the cars stop dropping off the roach _ when the cars stop dropping off the roach. irate — when the cars stop dropping off the roach. ~ ., ,,., ., ., ., roach. we had sam, linda and edward, oliver, we roach. we had sam, linda and edward, oliver. we will — roach. we had sam, linda and edward, oliver, we will speak—

roach. we had sam, linda and edward, oliver, we will speak to _ roach. we had sam, linda and edward, oliver, we will speak to doctor- roach. we had sam, linda and edward, oliver, we will speak to doctorjim - oliver, we will speak to doctorjim mcouaid, and air pollution scientist at the university of leeds, but first a text, i can't believe a midwife is against this, children's lungs. you can answer that in a second, sam. hello, jim. we have got jim. we also have the transport lead the surrey county council, matt furniss, one of the council to brought thisjudicial furniss, one of the council to brought this judicial review. matt furniss, conservative counsellor. how are you doing? why are you doing this? to how are you doing? why are you doing this? ., , ,, , , , ., this? to help surrey residents who will be impacted _ this? to help surrey residents who will be impacted both _ this? to help surrey residents who will be impacted both socially - this? to help surrey residents who will be impacted both socially and| will be impacted both socially and financially. the key reason is effectively a tax on surrey residents, they will see no benefit because there will be no extension of the scrappage scheme or improvement to public transport and there are no exemptions for key workers or people going to medical

appointments or to travel to school. we are all for clean air but it should not be surrey residents paying for it for the benefit of london. �* ., ., london. better for the environment, obviously the — london. better for the environment, obviously the domestic _ london. better for the environment, obviously the domestic transport - obviously the domestic transport sector is a notoriously terrible polluter. betterfor sector is a notoriously terrible polluter. better for help. sector is a notoriously terrible polluter. betterfor help. the sector is a notoriously terrible polluter. better for help. the three main conditions associated with air pollution are respiratory conditions, asthma, loads of people listening and watching suffer from asthma or have kids with asthma, cardiovascular disease, lung cancer, better for the economy. the costs of treating all of these conditions outweighs the cost to businesses, it is argued. back to full fitness, encourages people to get out. better for mental health, encourages two people —— encourages people to get out. you agree with that but you think it has not been done properly? we are objecting to the fact that no

mitigation has been offered outside of london and at the end of the day we fully support... surrey county council is investing over 50 million, we are putting more cycling and walking routes available, more electric vehicle charge points and a half price fairfor under electric vehicle charge points and a half price fair for under 20s. we are really for public transport but the problem is the whole mitigation is solely london focused on the charges will all be out of london. so with this court case, because the mayor of london and tfl refused to engage right up until we did the court case, which is really disappointing, we are saying think about outside of london, those are the residency will be and they should get a fair share of any mitigation proposed. —— those are the residents who will be affected and they should get a fair share. you are saying this has not been done the right way. jemima

hartshorn, co—founder of the grassroots environmental campaign group mums for lungs... ed joyce in upminster, you say it will destroy your business. —— edward. jemima, what do you say to people like him and also community midwife who said her monthly charge would be something like £365. what would you say to those people?— say to those people? thank you for havin: me say to those people? thank you for having me and _ say to those people? thank you for having me and covering _ say to those people? thank you for having me and covering this - say to those people? thank you for having me and covering this topic. | having me and covering this topic. what _ having me and covering this topic. what i _ having me and covering this topic. what i say— having me and covering this topic. what i say is we really need solutions _ what i say is we really need solutions that work for everyone and i solutions that work for everyone and lam incredibly sorry to hear there are people — lam incredibly sorry to hear there are people who will be so hard hit. we are _ are people who will be so hard hit. we are living in a situation where the toxic— we are living in a situation where the toxic air— we are living in a situation where the toxic air in london had real, real— the toxic air in london had real,

real health _ the toxic air in london had real, real health implications for many people. — real health implications for many people. a — real health implications for many people, a quarter of a million children— people, a quarter of a million children have asthma. we know many would _ children have asthma. we know many would not _ children have asthma. we know many would not have it if it was not for london's — would not have it if it was not for london's toxic air that we take in every— london's toxic air that we take in every breath we take, we really need to address _ every breath we take, we really need to address our pollution immediately. it has such severe health— immediately. it has such severe health implications and wider financial— health implications and wider financial implications for the families— financial implications for the families of children who cannot work when _ families of children who cannot work when their— families of children who cannot work when their children have flare—ups when _ when their children have flare—ups when they— when their children have flare—ups when they are in hospital, we know it is a _ when they are in hospital, we know it is a massive burden on the nhs. we want _ it is a massive burden on the nhs. we want to— it is a massive burden on the nhs. we want to stand together with businesses and demand that the national— businesses and demand that the national government steps in and it makes _ national government steps in and it makes much more money available to ensure _ makes much more money available to ensure that _ makes much more money available to ensure that londoners can breathe safely _ ensure that londoners can breathe safety but — ensure that londoners can breathe safely but also the mobile and more sustainable ways —— also beat mobile in more _ sustainable ways —— also beat mobile in more sustainable way some people can drive _ in more sustainable way some people can drive in_ in more sustainable way some people can drive in cars that are not making _ can drive in cars that are not making people sick. i can drive in cars that are not

making people sick. i twitch? -- edward? has— making people sick. i twitch? -- edward? has been _ making people sick. i twitch? -- edward? has been death - making people sick. i twitch? -- edward? has been death with i making people sick. i twitch? -- - edward? has been death with traffic ollution edward? has been death with traffic pollution cited _ edward? has been death with traffic pollution cited as _ edward? has been death with traffic pollution cited as a _ edward? has been death with traffic pollution cited as a secondary - edward? has been death with traffic pollution cited as a secondary cause| pollution cited as a secondary cause on the death certificate in greater london this millennium —— there has been one death. that is one death out of almost 2 million people who have died in london, one single day. if you look at the number of people who die from suicide, the primary causes of which are social isolation and poverty, ulez will kill far more. if you look at the sheer level thatis more. if you look at the sheer level that is being imposed incompetently. if you look at the time scale chosen by mr khan, he has chosen to reduce this over a period of less than a year, meaning he has effectively destroyed the second—hand value of every night ulez compliance, in the

united kingdom at the same time is artificially inflating the price of every ulez compliance,. let artificially inflating the price of every ulez compliance,. let me put that to jemima- _ every ulez compliance,. let me put that to jemima. given _ every ulez compliance,. let me put that to jemima. given the - every ulez compliance,. let me put that to jemima. given the last - every ulez compliance,. let me put that to jemima. given the last bit, l that tojemima. given the last bit, taking the last bit out, these are valid concerns, aren't they? the principle is fine but it is not being done properly, considerately? i want to come back on the very strong — i want to come back on the very strong point, talking about the death— strong point, talking about the death certificates. all researchers and health professionals, government too, is _ and health professionals, government too, is very— and health professionals, government too, is very clear. london's air is killing _ too, is very clear. london's air is killint. ., ., too, is very clear. london's air is killing- yes. _ too, is very clear. london's air is killing.- yes, all. - too, is very clear. london's air is l killing.- yes, all. london's killing. not all. yes, all. london's air is killing... _ air is killing... both- air is killing... both talk at once come on now,

air is hung... — both talk at once come on now, this is massive. to be fair, you have made some interesting and important points but what she is making his massive consensus. tt what she is making his massive consensus-— what she is making his massive consensus. , ., , , , , consensus. it is absolute consensus that london's _ consensus. it is absolute consensus that london's air _ consensus. it is absolute consensus that london's air is _ consensus. it is absolute consensus that london's air is literally - that london's air is literally killing _ that london's air is literally killing 26 to 40,000 londoners a year~ _ killing 26 to 40,000 londoners a year. these illnesses do not come with green— year. these illnesses do not come with green spots or something like that which— with green spots or something like that which would highlight it is from _ that which would highlight it is from air— that which would highlight it is from air pollution, they come as asthma. — from air pollution, they come as asthma, cardiac issues, dementia, diabetes — asthma, cardiac issues, dementia, diabetes as— asthma, cardiac issues, dementia, diabetes. as such it is difficult to say when — diabetes. as such it is difficult to say when you have the dead body lying _ say when you have the dead body lying by _ say when you have the dead body lying by what contributed to this underlying... this heart attack. at the research — underlying... this heart attack. at the research has been done for many, many— the research has been done for many, many decades. there are probably hundreds— many decades. there are probably hundreds of thousands of scientific studies _ hundreds of thousands of scientific studies in — hundreds of thousands of scientific studies in london and across the

world _ studies in london and across the world that — studies in london and across the world that have highlighted really clearly— world that have highlighted really clearly that our pollution at the level _ clearly that our pollution at the level we — clearly that our pollution at the level we have in london from cars is killing _ level we have in london from cars is killing thousands of people a year. this is— killing thousands of people a year. this is a _ killing thousands of people a year. this is a public health crisis. i really— this is a public health crisis. i really feel— this is a public health crisis. i really feel that the argument of saying — really feel that the argument of saying we are looking but we have only ever — saying we are looking but we have only ever had one person die of air pollution _ only ever had one person die of air pollution is — only ever had one person die of air pollution is irresponsibly misleading. we pollution is irresponsibly misleading.— pollution is irresponsibly misleading. pollution is irresponsibly misleadina. ~ , ., misleading. we will bring in doctor jim mcouaid. _ misleading. we will bring in doctor jim mcquaid, one _ misleading. we will bring in doctor jim mcquaid, one of— misleading. we will bring in doctor jim mcquaid, one of the _ misleading. we will bring in doctor| jim mcquaid, one of the scientists, jim mcouaid, one of the scientists, and just a the transport lead for the conservative conservative surrey county council, matt furniss. —— in just a moment, but first the transport lead. you think the way that it has been and will be brought in is cack—handed? fine that it has been and will be brought in is cack-handed?_ that it has been and will be brought in is cack-handed? one death is one death too many. _ in is cack-handed? one death is one death too many, but _ in is cack-handed? one death is one death too many, but we _ in is cack-handed? one death is one death too many, but we really - in is cack-handed? one death is one death too many, but we really need| death too many, but we really need to make sure that there is

mitigation so residents of surrey and other councils outside of london are not paying the price for the mayor's decision—making. the way this has got about and the fact that today we are at the high courtjust shows you it has been done in such a poor way that we really need to go back to the drawing board, start again, start having conversations and be constructed so everyone can benefit. ~ ., , ., and be constructed so everyone can benefit-— -- - and be constructed so everyone can benefit._ -- and l and be constructed so everyone can | benefit._ -- and be benefit. what if you lose? -- and be constructed- — benefit. what if you lose? -- and be constructed. the _ benefit. what if you lose? -- and be constructed. the silence _ benefit. what if you lose? -- and be constructed. the silence says - benefit. what if you lose? -- and be constructed. the silence says it - constructed. the silence says it all. constructed. the silence says it all- sorry. _ constructed. the silence says it all- sorry. i— constructed. the silence says it all. sorry, i could— constructed. the silence says it all. sorry, i could not— constructed. the silence says it all. sorry, i could not hear- constructed. the silence says itj all. sorry, i could not hear you, did ou all. sorry, i could not hear you, did you ask— all. sorry, i could not hear you, did you ask a — all. sorry, i could not hear you, did you ask a question? - all. sorry, i could not hear you, did you ask a question? it - all. sorry, i could not hear you, did you ask a question? it was. did you ask a question? it was rather brusque _ did you ask a question? it was rather brusque but _ did you ask a question? it was rather brusque but i _ did you ask a question? it was rather brusque but i asked - did you ask a question? it was. rather brusque but i asked what did you ask a question? it was . rather brusque but i asked what if you lose? a girl at the end of the day the mayor of london still has to work with surrey county council if you want science == work with surrey county council if you want science— work with surrey county council if you want science -- science to go u -. we you want science -- science to go up- we will _ you want science -- science to go up- we will not — you want science -- science to go up. we will not be _ you want science -- science to go up. we will not be signing - you want science -- science to go . up. we will not be signing anything to allow him to put signs on our

land. tfl has agreed to a meeting in two weeks, well after the court case. the dialogue is open from our end but really the mitigation needs to be put in place for surrey residents and residents outside of london so they are not financially or socially impacted by decisions he is making for london. sadiq khan says the independent confirms that ulez works. you will not please 100% of people all the time, no politician in history has managed to do that. doctorjim mcquaid. thank you to matt furniss outside the high court. jim mcouaid, what about the science of this? it's worth saying that our caller earlier was half right. euro six standard diesel cars release the same level of co2 as the older euro five

standard but they release much less nitrogen oxide and have far fewer hydrocarbon emissions as well. does this work, jim? tt hydrocarbon emissions as well. does this work. jim?— this work, jim? it does. i work with the born this work, jim? it does. i work with the horn in — this work, jim? it does. i work with the born in bradford _ this work, jim? it does. i work with the born in bradford team - this work, jim? it does. i work with the born in bradford team at - the born in bradford team at bradford city council looking at the clean air is only introduced about six months ago, and it is reducing the levels of pollution. it is a very emotive topic and the impact, the health impact of air pollution is so very difficult thing to unravel. the tragic case of ella kissi—debrah that has been highlighted as the only person who has died and has air pollution is a contributory factor on the death certificate, it is very difficult to unpick. the world health organization has said 7 million people every year die from air pollution. one of the... there is current to research out in the last couple of years showing that some of

the particles that people are breathing in, the tiny particles people are breathing in, are so small, when pregnant or an expectant mother breathes them in then they enter the bloodstream and pass through the placenta barrier into the unborn child. that's how toxic they are. they get everywhere. as medical research moves forward with finding out more and more things linked with the impact of air pollution. linked with the impact of air pollution-— linked with the impact of air ollution. �* , .,. .., , pollution. but in practical terms, if ou pollution. but in practical terms, if you take _ pollution. but in practical terms, if you take london, _ pollution. but in practical terms, if you take london, does - pollution. but in practical terms, if you take london, does it - pollution. but in practical terms, | if you take london, does it work? pollution. but in practicalterms, i if you take london, does it work? is the reduction in pollution worth it as against the harm to businesses, because that causes all sorts of health problems as well, mental health problems as well, mental health problems. t health problems as well, mental health problems.— health problems as well, mental health problems. i can appreciate that. like health problems. i can appreciate that- like i— health problems. i can appreciate that. like i say, _ health problems. i can appreciate that. like i say, it— health problems. i can appreciate that. like i say, it is— health problems. i can appreciate that. like i say, it is a _

health problems. i can appreciate that. like i say, it is a complex i that. like i say, it is a complex issue we are having to deal with. but the impact on people's health, unhealthy people and sick people can't work. it's about productivity and the impact on the health service. it is very difficult at the moment with the cost of living crisis, having this additional charge on people, but the long term plan is to reduce people's exposure to air pollution and any reduction, people talk about targets, but any level of air pollution will affect human health. hat level of air pollution will affect human health.— level of air pollution will affect human health. not 'ust london, cities like bristol, _ human health. notjust london, cities like bristol, portsmouth, | cities like bristol, portsmouth, manchester, nottingham, sheffield, aberdeen, dundee, edinburgh, glasgow, a few good games in there! we can take one more. we had a taxi driverfrom glasgow who we can take one more. we had a taxi driver from glasgow who wasn't best pleased. i want to get him on before the news. and he's there. jason in

glasgow, you are in our zone. a quick word from you, what do you think? , , , ., , quick word from you, what do you think? , , , ._ ., think? lets put it this way, i have been a taxi _ think? lets put it this way, i have been a taxi driver— think? lets put it this way, i have been a taxi driver 27 _ think? lets put it this way, i have been a taxi driver 27 years. - think? lets put it this way, i have been a taxi driver 27 years. i - think? lets put it this way, i havej been a taxi driver 27 years. i have no problem — been a taxi driver 27 years. i have no problem with cleaning up the air, it's the _ no problem with cleaning up the air, it's the fact — no problem with cleaning up the air, it's the fact of the counciljust doing — it's the fact of the counciljust doing it — it's the fact of the counciljust doing it without any consultation. you have — doing it without any consultation. you have 100,000 vehicles passing through. _ you have 100,000 vehicles passing through, and it's the only one i believe — through, and it's the only one i believe having a motorway through the city _ believe having a motorway through the city centre that you drive through. _ the city centre that you drive through, so you have 100,000 vehicles — through, so you have 100,000 vehicles going through their everyday, so the ulez is a waste of because _ everyday, so the ulez is a waste of because the pollution will be virtually the exact same if you have 100,000 _ virtually the exact same if you have 100,000 vehicles. why should i go and spend — 100,000 vehicles. why should i go and spend £20,000 on a new vehicle to -o and spend £20,000 on a new vehicle to go into _ and spend £20,000 on a new vehicle to go into the city centre when i'm outside _ to go into the city centre when i'm outside the — to go into the city centre when i'm outside the area? sol to go into the city centre when i'm outside the area? so i would incur £60, _ outside the area? so i would incur £60, 120, — outside the area? so i would incur £60, 120, you don't have any

optioh~ _ £60, 120, you don't have any option- - -_ £60, 120, you don't have any otion... , .,, ., £60, 120, you don't have any otion... , ., , option... the finding in glasgow is cumulative- _ option... the finding in glasgow is cumulative. may _ option... the finding in glasgow is cumulative. may be _ option... the finding in glasgow is cumulative. may be you _ option... the finding in glasgow is cumulative. may be you or - option... the finding in glasgow is cumulative. may be you or your. cumulative. may be you or your researchers _ cumulative. may be you or your researchers can _ cumulative. may be you or your researchers can tell _ cumulative. may be you or your researchers can tell me - cumulative. may be you or your researchers can tell me but - cumulative. may be you or your researchers can tell me but if. researchers can tell me but if everyone _ researchers can tell me but if everyone had an electric car and everyone's— everyone had an electric car and everyone's house was insulated, we would _ everyone's house was insulated, we would only— everyone's house was insulated, we would only save less than 1.7% of the world — would only save less than 1.7% of the world cross pollution. we are running _ the world cross pollution. we are running about trying to save the world _ running about trying to save the world being green when we are only a wee island _ world being green when we are only a wee island. , ., ., , ., ., wee island. global leaders. scotland has done very _ wee island. global leaders. scotland has done very well— wee island. global leaders. scotland has done very well with _ wee island. global leaders. scotland has done very well with renewables, j has done very well with renewables, you should be proud. yes. has done very well with renewables, you should be proud.— you should be proud. yes, but it costs. you should be proud. yes, but it costs- the _ you should be proud. yes, but it costs. the thing _ you should be proud. yes, but it costs. the thing is, _ you should be proud. yes, but it costs. the thing is, for - you should be proud. yes, but it costs. the thing is, for every - you should be proud. yes, but it l costs. the thing is, for every good there _ costs. the thing is, for every good there is— costs. the thing is, for every good there is always evil and if you're going _ there is always evil and if you're going to — there is always evil and if you're going to put all this in place it is the poor— going to put all this in place it is the poor that suffer, not the rich. if the poor that suffer, not the rich. if you _ the poor that suffer, not the rich. if you have — the poor that suffer, not the rich. if you have an electric car in the drivewaym _ if you have an electric car in the driveway- - -_ driveway... lots of people are sa int driveway... lots of people are saying this. — driveway... lots of people are saying this, the _ driveway... lots of people are saying this, the working - driveway... lots of people are saying this, the working class| driveway... lots of people are . saying this, the working class will pick it up. thank you very much indeed. looking at the texts, goodness me. we will come to some of those very soon. it is busy. get in touch. is ulez for you?

here is the news from nick hatfield. high courtjudicial high court judicial review high courtjudicial review is due to start shortly into the london mayor's plans to expand the capital's ultra low emission zone. sadiq khan, says it's needed to tackle air pollution. five conservative—led councils are challenging the move. financial regulators will demand to know why banks aren't passing on higher interest rates to savers more quickly, despite increasing interest on mortgages. banks have rejected accusations they are profiteering. data from 32 police forces suggest they are failing women who complained about being sexually exploited by officers. over the past five years there have been more than 500

allegations in england, scotland and wales of police abusing their position butjust 24 officers have been charged. the owner of facebook and instagram, meta, is launching a new app to rival twitter. the new platform is called threads and it will go live on thursday. now the sport ofjohn bennett. andy murray says he s still one of the best grass court players in the world, going into his opening match at wimbledon today. murray is up against another british player, ryan peniston. cameron norrie also begins his campaign at the championships today. on the opening day of wimbledon there were wins for three brits —jodie burrage, liam broady and jan choinski. england bowler stuart broad says australia captain pat cummins will regret not withdrawing his appeal, whenjonny bairstow was controversially stumped, during the second ashes test. in a column in the daily mail he writes that he s amazed that not one senior member of the australia team thought the appeal was wrong. meanwhile scotland are in

action in a crucial icc into bat. a short time ago they were 94—1. england's under 21s have lost a key member of their squad ahead of the european championship semi—final against israel. aston villa's jacob ramsey is going home due to an injury. thejudicial review into the judicial review into sadiq khan cosmic plans to expand london's low emission zone, ulez. you have ulez,

lez and clean—air zones all over the shop. beginning at ten o'clock this morning, the review at the high court. we heard from a tory councillor this morning from there, one of the people kicking against it, and it will be coming to a city near you if it's not there already. the question is, is ulez for you? huge reaction from you on ultra low emission zones this morning. we can give you some texts because there have been many of them this morning. thank you very much for that. i live in surrey and unfortunately have multiple autoimmune diseases so as medically retired i can't afford a new car or walk a mile to the local bus stop to get to hospital appointments, i can't carry shopping from the high street because of rheumatoid arthritis was that these are attacks on the poor, old and disabled and is a disgrace with an illegal and

non—inclusive consultation, says karen. hello, i'm from sidcup, eight plumbing and heating engineer. i personally think it is ridiculous given most of us didn't get help through the pandemic. i sold my van to try to buy a new one and ended up getting one that is still not ulez compliant because i couldn't afford it. ithink compliant because i couldn't afford it. i think there are better ways to handle this rather than skinning struggling and hard—working people for money we don't have. and this one, ulez has been unnecessarily politicised stop i live in south—east 19 and it has been brilliant here. the three diesel cars on my street are now hybrid. my neighbour with a 16—year—old car is now compliant because the smaller cars often are. i am sure it is slow and dangerous emissions that lead to asthma. it is a no—brainer. one family has scrapped their car totally. it is interesting. one more

for balance will stop is ulez for me? i haven't had a car since 1994. i use buses and trains. drivers knew it was coming but have ignored it until it was on them says keith in southampton. on the deaths, it is worth reminding ourselves, it can cause serious long—term illness as well, asthma, cancer, stunted long development in children might not kill you but it causes a strain on the nhs. there are so many arguments, calls and text entry will carry this on after ten o'clock, the first time we have done it, but what a reaction. neil in brentford and lee in eltham. doctorjim mcquaid is also still with us, and air pollution scientist at the university of leeds. jemima hartshorn, the co—founder of the mums for lungs, grassroots campaign group. why does this matter so much to you? group. why does this matter so much to ou? ~ ., ., , group. why does this matter so much to ou? ., .,y ., , group. why does this matter so much to ou? ., ., group. why does this matter so much toou? ., , to you? what really matters to me is that we clean — to you? what really matters to me is that we clean up _ to you? what really matters to me is that we clean up london's _ to you? what really matters to me is that we clean up london's air - to you? what really matters to me is that we clean up london's air and -

to you? what really matters to me is that we clean up london's air and in l that we clean up london's air and in many other cities as well but for now we are talking about london. we need to do it in the shortest timeframe possible. the air in london is toxic by world health organization standards everywhere. everywhere, londoners are nonstop breathing air harming their health. london has one of the highest prevalences of childhood asthma in the western world. we know that it is linked to many other illnesses, cardiac issues, diabetes, dementia. while children are usually the most affected by a pollution due to still having growing lungs, being more vulnerable and closer to exhausts from a size and height perspective, air pollution harms everyone really strongly. t air pollution harms everyone really stronal . ., ., , air pollution harms everyone really strontl. ., ., i, air pollution harms everyone really strontl. ., ., strongly. i am only stopping you because neil— strongly. i am only stopping you because neil from _ strongly. i am only stopping you because neilfrom brentford - strongly. i am only stopping youj because neilfrom brentford has strongly. i am only stopping you i because neilfrom brentford has to go and i want to hearfrom him. good morning. thank you for getting in touch. you run the oldest

continuously used blacksmiths in london. wow. is ulez for you, and good morning. london. wow. is ulez for you, and good morning-— good morning. good morning, unfortunately _ good morning. good morning, unfortunately not, _ good morning. good morning, unfortunately not, no. - good morning. good morning, unfortunately not, no. my- good morning. good morning, . unfortunately not, no. my trade doesn't — unfortunately not, no. my trade doesn't afford me a lot of money so i doesn't afford me a lot of money so i can't _ doesn't afford me a lot of money so i can't afford — doesn't afford me a lot of money so i can't afford to doesn't afford me a lot of money so ican't afford to upgrade to a new van and _ ican't afford to upgrade to a new van and the — ican't afford to upgrade to a new van and the money the mayor is offering — van and the money the mayor is offering will not get me anywhere near the — offering will not get me anywhere near the amount i need to renew. l have _ near the amount i need to renew. l have taken— near the amount i need to renew. l have taken a — near the amount i need to renew. l have taken a very hard decision to move _ have taken a very hard decision to move completely out of london, which doesn't _ move completely out of london, which doesn't do _ move completely out of london, which doesn't do anything for the air pollution _ doesn't do anything for the air pollution because i willjust be taking — pollution because i willjust be taking it — pollution because i willjust be taking it somewhere else. but i pollution because i willjust be taking it somewhere else. but ljust can't afford — taking it somewhere else. but ljust can't afford to do it sol taking it somewhere else. but ljust can't afford to do it so i have to pack— can't afford to do it so i have to pack up— can't afford to do it so i have to pack up and _ can't afford to do it so i have to pack up and move out.- can't afford to do it so i have to pack up and move out. where would ou to? pack up and move out. where would you go? i'm — pack up and move out. where would you go? i'm moving _ pack up and move out. where would you go? i'm moving out— pack up and move out. where would you go? i'm moving out to - pack up and move out. where would you go? i'm moving out to surrey, l you go? i'm moving out to surrey, guildford, _ you go? i'm moving out to surrey, guildford, 20 — you go? i'm moving out to surrey, guildford, 20 miles _ you go? i'm moving out to surrey, guildford, 20 miles in _ you go? i'm moving out to surrey, guildford, 20 miles in the - you go? i'm moving out to surrey, | guildford, 20 miles in the opposite directioh _ guildford, 20 miles in the opposite direction. will guildford, 20 miles in the opposite direction. ~ ., ., ~ ., guildford, 20 miles in the opposite direction. ., ., ~ ., direction. will that work for you with our direction. will that work for you with your business? _ direction. will that work for you with your business? hopefully. | direction. will that work for you - with your business? hopefully. you have to do what _ with your business? hopefully. you have to do what you _ with your business? hopefully. you have to do what you think - with your business? hopefully. you have to do what you think is - with your business? hopefully. you have to do what you think is right i have to do what you think is right at the _ have to do what you think is right at the time _

have to do what you think is right at the time. it's my best choice. i can't _ at the time. it's my best choice. i can't afford — at the time. it's my best choice. i can't afford the congestion charge every— can't afford the congestion charge every day— can't afford the congestion charge every day and my partner doesn't make _ every day and my partner doesn't make enough money to buy a compliant fan which _ make enough money to buy a compliant fan which is _ make enough money to buy a compliant fan which is more than £20,000. 1 fan which is more than £20,000. i thought— fan which is more than £20,000. i thought about buying a much older petrol— thought about buying a much older petrol car— thought about buying a much older petrol car that would be compliant and using — petrol car that would be compliant and using that to drive in but it could _ and using that to drive in but it could be — and using that to drive in but it could be two vehicles, sol and using that to drive in but it could be two vehicles, so i would then— could be two vehicles, so i would then have — could be two vehicles, so i would then have to tax and insure two vehicles — then have to tax and insure two vehicles so _ then have to tax and insure two vehicles so that is not viable either— vehicles so that is not viable either so _ vehicles so that is not viable either so it was my only way around it and _ either so it was my only way around it and i_ either so it was my only way around it and i have — either so it was my only way around it and l have decided it will not work — it and l have decided it will not work do— it and i have decided it will not work. , ., it and i have decided it will not work. ., ., work. do you acknowledge that the heart of the — work. do you acknowledge that the heart of the policy _ work. do you acknowledge that the heart of the policy is _ work. do you acknowledge that the heart of the policy is in _ work. do you acknowledge that the heart of the policy is in the - work. do you acknowledge that the heart of the policy is in the right i heart of the policy is in the right place? heart of the policy is in the right lace? , ~ , ~ place? yes, i think definitely. we need to do _ place? yes, i think definitely. we need to do something _ place? yes, i think definitely. we need to do something about i place? yes, i think definitely. we need to do something about the . need to do something about the pollution — need to do something about the pollution side of things. i think this is— pollution side of things. i think this is a — pollution side of things. i think this is a harsh way of doing it. it needs— this is a harsh way of doing it. it needs more _ this is a harsh way of doing it. it needs more thought put into it. mitigation. so needs more thought put into it. mitigation-— mitigation. so many people are affected by _ mitigation. so many people are affected by it- _ mitigation. so many people are affected by it. i— mitigation. so many people are affected by it. i have _ mitigation. so many people are affected by it. i have told i mitigation. so many people are l affected by it. i have told people mitigation. so many people are i affected by it. i have told people i am moving out and various people, whether— am moving out and various people, whether they are clients or other

professionals, they have all said the same — professionals, they have all said the same things and l have heard it so many— the same things and l have heard it so many times, so many people are leaving _ so many times, so many people are leaving london. it's obviously not ideal— leaving london. it's obviously not ideal because i will still be able to travel— ideal because i will still be able to travel in to see clients to afford — to travel in to see clients to afford my— to travel in to see clients to afford my 12.50 fee a couple of times— afford my 12.50 fee a couple of times a — afford my 12.50 fee a couple of times a month but i can't do it on a daily— times a month but i can't do it on a daily basis— times a month but i can't do it on a daily basis and l times a month but i can't do it on a daily basis and i can't charge a client— daily basis and i can't charge a client 12.50 every day to go and work— client 12.50 every day to go and work on — client 12.50 every day to go and work on theirjobs for them. it just doesn't _ work on theirjobs for them. it just doesn't work. work on their 'obs for them. it 'ust doesn-t with work on their 'obs for them. it 'ust doesn't work. thank you, neil, and i wish ou doesn't work. thank you, neil, and i wish you well- _ doesn't work. thank you, neil, and i wish you well. lee _ doesn't work. thank you, neil, and i wish you well. lee is _ doesn't work. thank you, neil, and i wish you well. lee is in _ doesn't work. thank you, neil, and i wish you well. lee is in eltham, i doesn't work. thank you, neil, and i wish you well. lee is in eltham, and| wish you well. lee is in eltham, and hannah is near bristol. jemima hartshorn and doctorjim mcquaid are still with us, he will have science and stats. air pollution scientist at the university of leeds. hannah, good morning. the at the university of leeds. hannah, good morning-— at the university of leeds. hannah, good morning. the point i wanted to make was about _ good morning. the point i wanted to make was about equity. _ good morning. the point i wanted to make was about equity. it _ good morning. the point i wanted to make was about equity. it is - good morning. the point i wanted to make was about equity. it is being i make was about equity. it is being

framed _ make was about equity. it is being framed very— make was about equity. it is being framed very much _ make was about equity. it is being framed very much as _ make was about equity. it is being framed very much as an _ make was about equity. it is being. framed very much as an inequitable thing _ framed very much as an inequitable thing because — framed very much as an inequitable thing because of— framed very much as an inequitable thing because of the _ framed very much as an inequitable thing because of the charges- thing because of the charges impacting _ thing because of the charges impacting for— thing because of the charges impacting for working - thing because of the charges| impacting for working people thing because of the charges- impacting for working people and working-class _ impacting for working people and working—class people _ impacting for working people and working—class people and - impacting for working people and working—class people and l- impacting for working people and working—class people and l thinkl working—class people and i think there _ working—class people and i think there needs _ working—class people and i think there needs to _ working—class people and i think there needs to be _ working—class people and i think there needs to be more - working—class people and i think there needs to be more supportl working—class people and i think. there needs to be more support for those _ there needs to be more support for those people — there needs to be more support for those people i_ there needs to be more support for those people. i am _ there needs to be more support for those people. lam sorry— there needs to be more support for those people. lam sorry to - there needs to be more support for those people. lam sorry to hear. those people. lam sorry to hear about— those people. lam sorry to hear about the — those people. lam sorry to hear about the impact _ those people. lam sorry to hear about the impact to _ those people. lam sorry to hear about the impact to people's i about the impact to people's businesses _ about the impact to people's businesses. i— about the impact to people's businesses. i was _ about the impact to people's businesses. i was quite i about the impact to people's i businesses. i was quite shocked about the impact to people's - businesses. i was quite shocked when the midwife _ businesses. i was quite shocked when the midwife came _ businesses. i was quite shocked when the midwife came on. _ businesses. i was quite shocked when the midwife came on. i— businesses. i was quite shocked when the midwife came on. i assume - businesses. i was quite shocked when the midwife came on. i assume she i the midwife came on. i assume she would _ the midwife came on. i assume she would start— the midwife came on. i assume she would start to — the midwife came on. i assume she would start to talk _ the midwife came on. i assume she would start to talk about _ the midwife came on. i assume she would start to talk about children'sl would start to talk about children's health— would start to talk about children's health and — would start to talk about children's health and i— would start to talk about children's health and l was _ would start to talk about children's health and l was quite _ would start to talk about children's health and l was quite shocked i health and l was quite shocked obviously— health and l was quite shocked obviously that— health and l was quite shocked obviously that is _ health and l was quite shocked obviously that is a _ health and l was quite shocked obviously that is a massive i health and i was quite shocked obviously that is a massive billi health and i was quite shocked i obviously that is a massive bill for her to— obviously that is a massive bill for her to pay— obviously that is a massive bill for her to pay for— obviously that is a massive bill for her to pay for her— obviously that is a massive bill for her to pay for her car. _ obviously that is a massive bill for her to pay for her car. ”that- obviously that is a massive bill for her to pay for her car.— obviously that is a massive bill for her to pay for her car. that was sam in bromley- — her to pay for her car. that was sam in bromley- i— her to pay for her car. that was sam in bromley. i remember— her to pay for her car. that was sam in bromley. i remember reading - her to pay for her car. that was sam in bromley. i remember reading a l in bromley. i remember reading a statistic about _ in bromley. i remember reading a statistic about some _ in bromley. i remember reading a statistic about some children - in bromley. i remember reading a statistic about some children in i statistic about some children in london. — statistic about some children in london. their_ statistic about some children in london, their lungs— statistic about some children in london, their lungs are - statistic about some children in| london, their lungs are growing statistic about some children in i london, their lungs are growing to 70% of— london, their lungs are growing to 70% of the — london, their lungs are growing to 70% of the size _ london, their lungs are growing to 70% of the size they _ london, their lungs are growing to 70% of the size they should - london, their lungs are growing to 70% of the size they should be - london, their lungs are growing to| 70% of the size they should be and that is_ 70% of the size they should be and that is absolutely— 70% of the size they should be and that is absolutely shocking. - 70% of the size they should be and that is absolutely shocking. we - 70% of the size they should be andi that is absolutely shocking. we are talking _ that is absolutely shocking. we are talking about — that is absolutely shocking. we are talking about protecting _ that is absolutely shocking. we are talking about protecting the - that is absolutely shocking. we are talking about protecting the most i talking about protecting the most vulnerable — talking about protecting the most vulnerable people _ talking about protecting the most vulnerable people in— talking about protecting the most vulnerable people in society. - talking about protecting the most. vulnerable people in society. many of the _ vulnerable people in society. many of the people — vulnerable people in society. many of the people affected _ vulnerable people in society. many of the people affected by - vulnerable people in society. many of the people affected by air- of the people affected by air pollution _ of the people affected by air pollution literally _ of the people affected by air pollution literally can't - of the people affected by air. pollution literally can't choose of the people affected by air- pollution literally can't choose to move _ pollution literally can't choose to move away— pollution literally can't choose to move away from _ pollution literally can't choose to move away from busy _ pollution literally can't choose to move away from busy roads. - pollution literally can't choose to| move away from busy roads. lots pollution literally can't choose to . move away from busy roads. lots of schools _ move away from busy roads. lots of schools are — move away from busy roads. lots of schools are right _ move away from busy roads. lots of schools are right next _ move away from busy roads. lots of

schools are right next to _ move away from busy roads. lots of schools are right next to busy - move away from busy roads. lots of schools are right next to busy and l schools are right next to busy and polluting — schools are right next to busy and polluting roads. _ schools are right next to busy and polluting roads, hospitals- schools are right next to busy and polluting roads, hospitals as - schools are right next to busy and i polluting roads, hospitals as well. many— polluting roads, hospitals as well. many of— polluting roads, hospitals as well. many of those _ polluting roads, hospitals as well. many of those people _ polluting roads, hospitals as well. many of those people who - polluting roads, hospitals as well. many of those people who live - polluting roads, hospitals as well. i many of those people who live near the worst _ many of those people who live near the worst polluted _ many of those people who live near the worst polluted areas _ many of those people who live near the worst polluted areas don't - many of those people who live near the worst polluted areas don't havei the worst polluted areas don't have cars: _ the worst polluted areas don't have cars. they — the worst polluted areas don't have cars. thevare— the worst polluted areas don't have cars, they are getting _ the worst polluted areas don't have cars, they are getting to— the worst polluted areas don't have cars, they are getting to work- the worst polluted areas don't have cars, they are getting to work on i cars, they are getting to work on buses— cars, they are getting to work on buses and — cars, they are getting to work on buses and everything. _ cars, they are getting to work on buses and everything. in - cars, they are getting to work on buses and everything. in terms i cars, they are getting to work on| buses and everything. in terms of equity— buses and everything. in terms of equity it _ buses and everything. in terms of equity it is — buses and everything. in terms of equity it is worth _ buses and everything. in terms of equity it is worth bringing - buses and everything. in terms of equity it is worth bringing in - buses and everything. in terms of equity it is worth bringing in the l equity it is worth bringing in the fact that — equity it is worth bringing in the fact that this — equity it is worth bringing in the fact that this is _ equity it is worth bringing in the fact that this is about _ equity it is worth bringing in the fact that this is about thinking l equity it is worth bringing in the| fact that this is about thinking of those _ fact that this is about thinking of those who— fact that this is about thinking of those who are _ fact that this is about thinking of those who are most _ fact that this is about thinking of those who are most impacted. . those who are most impacted. primarily— those who are most impacted. primaritv it _ those who are most impacted. primarily it is _ those who are most impacted. primarily it is children- those who are most impacted. primarily it is children who - those who are most impacted. primarily it is children who arei those who are most impacted. - primarily it is children who are the most _ primarily it is children who are the most vulnerable. _ primarily it is children who are the most vulnerable. it _ primarily it is children who are the most vulnerable. it is _ primarily it is children who are the most vulnerable. it is an - primarily it is children who are the most vulnerable. it is an urgent. most vulnerable. it is an urgent issue _ most vulnerable. it is an urgent issue i— most vulnerable. it is an urgent issue i do _ most vulnerable. it is an urgent issue. i do believe _ most vulnerable. it is an urgent issue. i do believe there - most vulnerable. it is an urgent issue. i do believe there shouldi most vulnerable. it is an urgent i issue. i do believe there should be more _ issue. i do believe there should be more sopport _ issue. i do believe there should be more support. but— issue. i do believe there should be more sowed-— more support. but that is not forthcoming. _ more support. but that is not forthcoming, that's _ more support. but that is not forthcoming, that's a - more support. but that is not forthcoming, that's a lot - more support. but that is not forthcoming, that's a lot of. more support. but that is not - forthcoming, that's a lot of pounds, shillings and pence. there is a lot of criticism about the scrappage scheme, that it is woefully insufficient. you talk about vulnerable people, the arguments we are hearing are that it will hit the poor and vulnerable disproportionately because those

people who are more often less able to afford a car that is compliant, and we just heard from the brilliant blacksmith a few moments ago. they will be disproportionately affected by ulez and other schemes elsewhere in the uk. it is such a difficult balance. i in the uk. it is such a difficult balance. ~ , balance. i think there definitely needs to be _ balance. i think there definitely needs to be more _ balance. i think there definitely needs to be more support. - needs to be more support. unfortunately— needs to be more support. unfortunately the - needs to be more support. unfortunately the grants . needs to be more support. i unfortunately the grants for electric— unfortunately the grants for electric cars _ unfortunately the grants for electric cars have _ unfortunately the grants for i electric cars have disappeared. unfortunately the grants for - electric cars have disappeared. i have _ electric cars have disappeared. i have an — electric cars have disappeared. i have an electric— electric cars have disappeared. i have an electric car— electric cars have disappeared. i have an electric car that - electric cars have disappeared. i have an electric car that i - electric cars have disappeared. i| have an electric car that i bought in 2017 _ have an electric car that i bought in 2017 with— have an electric car that i bought in 2017 with a _ have an electric car that i bought in 2017 with a £5,000 _ have an electric car that i bought in 2017 with a £5,000 grant - have an electric car that i bought - in 2017 with a £5,000 grant towards it that _ in 2017 with a £5,000 grant towards it that has _ in 2017 with a £5,000 grant towards it that has now— in 2017 with a £5,000 grant towards it that has now disappeared. - in 2017 with a £5,000 grant towards it that has now disappeared. there i it that has now disappeared. there is far— it that has now disappeared. there is far less — it that has now disappeared. there is far less support _ it that has now disappeared. there is far less support for— it that has now disappeared. there is far less support for electric - is far less support for electric vehicles _ is far less support for electric vehicles. there's _ is far less support for electric vehicles. there's also - is far less support for electric vehicles. there's also the - is far less support for electric vehicles. there's also the bigj is far less support for electric - vehicles. there's also the big issue of vehicles — vehicles. there's also the big issue of vehicles getting _ vehicles. there's also the big issue of vehicles getting larger. - vehicles. there's also the big issue of vehicles getting larger. even - of vehicles getting larger. even modem — of vehicles getting larger. even modern vehicles _ of vehicles getting larger. even modern vehicles can _ of vehicles getting larger. even modern vehicles can often - of vehicles getting larger. even| modern vehicles can often have higher—

modern vehicles can often have higher emissions, _ modern vehicles can often have higher emissions, and - modern vehicles can often have higher emissions, and can - modern vehicles can often have higher emissions, and can also| modern vehicles can often have - higher emissions, and can also give off more _ higher emissions, and can also give off more tvre — higher emissions, and can also give off more tyre particles _ higher emissions, and can also give off more tyre particles which - higher emissions, and can also give off more tyre particles which are . off more tyre particles which are very harmfui _ off more tyre particles which are very harmful-— off more tyre particles which are very harmful. that's true, a good oint. it very harmful. that's true, a good point- it feels _ very harmful. that's true, a good point. it feels like _ very harmful. that's true, a good point. it feels like this _ very harmful. that's true, a good point. it feels like this is - point. it feels like this is targeting _ point. it feels like this is targeting the _ point. it feels like this is targeting the old - point. it feels like this is targeting the old diesell point. it feels like this is - targeting the old diesel vehicles which _ targeting the old diesel vehicles which tends _ targeting the old diesel vehicles which tends to _ targeting the old diesel vehicles which tends to be _ targeting the old diesel vehicles which tends to be people - targeting the old diesel vehicles which tends to be people on - targeting the old diesel vehicles . which tends to be people on lower incomes— which tends to be people on lower incomes and — which tends to be people on lower incomes and there _ which tends to be people on lower incomes and there needs - which tends to be people on lower incomes and there needs to - which tends to be people on lower incomes and there needs to be . which tends to be people on lower incomes and there needs to be far more _ incomes and there needs to be far more sopport_ incomes and there needs to be far more sopport for— incomes and there needs to be far more support for those. _ incomes and there needs to be far more support for those. but - incomes and there needs to be far more support for those. but we i incomes and there needs to be far. more support for those. but we need to be _ more support for those. but we need to be dealing — more support for those. but we need to be dealing with— more support for those. but we need to be dealing with the _ more support for those. but we need to be dealing with the issue - more support for those. but we need to be dealing with the issue of- to be dealing with the issue of vehicles — to be dealing with the issue of vehicles getting _ to be dealing with the issue of vehicles getting larger- to be dealing with the issue of vehicles getting larger as i to be dealing with the issue of vehicles getting larger as well| vehicles getting larger as well because — vehicles getting larger as well because that _ vehicles getting larger as well because that can _ vehicles getting larger as well because that can impact - vehicles getting larger as well because that can impact to i vehicles getting larger as well i because that can impact to travel because — because that can impact to travel because you _ because that can impact to travel because you are _ because that can impact to travel because you are less _ because that can impact to travel because you are less safe - because that can impact to travel because you are less safe on i because that can impact to travel because you are less safe on the| because you are less safe on the roads— because you are less safe on the roads with — because you are less safe on the roads with larger— because you are less safe on the roads with larger vehicles. - because you are less safe on the roads with larger vehicles. i- because you are less safe on thei roads with larger vehicles. i don't live roads with larger vehicles. idon't live in— roads with larger vehicles. idon't live in london— roads with larger vehicles. idon't live in london so— roads with larger vehicles. i don't live in london so i— roads with larger vehicles. idon't live in london so i don't- roads with larger vehicles. idon't live in london so i don't know- roads with larger vehicles. i don't live in london so i don't know all| live in london so i don't know all the ins— live in london so i don't know all the ins and — live in london so i don't know all the ins and outs _ live in london so i don't know all the ins and outs of— live in london so i don't know all the ins and outs of this, - live in london so i don't know all the ins and outs of this, but- live in london so i don't know all. the ins and outs of this, but these things— the ins and outs of this, but these things do— the ins and outs of this, but these things do need _ the ins and outs of this, but these things do need to _ the ins and outs of this, but these things do need to be _ the ins and outs of this, but these things do need to be part- the ins and outs of this, but these things do need to be part of- the ins and outs of this, but these things do need to be part of a i the ins and outs of this, but these things do need to be part of a raftj things do need to be part of a raft of measures _ things do need to be part of a raft of measures. this _ things do need to be part of a raft of measures. this is— things do need to be part of a raft of measures. this is the - things do need to be part of a raft of measures. this is the stick- things do need to be part of a raft of measures. this is the stick but| of measures. this is the stick but we need — of measures. this is the stick but we need perhaps— of measures. this is the stick but we need perhaps more _ of measures. this is the stick but we need perhaps more carrot. i of measures. this is the stick but we need perhaps more carrot. carrots are never a — we need perhaps more carrot. carrots are never a bad _ we need perhaps more carrot. carrots are never a bad thing. _ we need perhaps more carrot. carrots are never a bad thing. and _ we need perhaps more carrot. carrots are never a bad thing. and bearing i are never a bad thing. and bearing in mind how _

are never a bad thing. and bearing in mind how urgent _ are never a bad thing. and bearing in mind how urgent it _ are never a bad thing. and bearing in mind how urgent it is. _ are never a bad thing. and bearing in mind how urgent it is. joined i are never a bad thing. and bearing in mind how urgent it is. joined up| in mind how urgent it is. joined up thinkin: , in mind how urgent it is. joined up thinking, overarching _ in mind how urgent it is. joined up thinking, overarching thought i thinking, overarching thought through policy, that is the issue. will we ever get it? let's bring in sylvia in arnos grove and a viewer from bath who is also experiencing this. and we have lee in eltham. sylvia, karen, good morning andjoin in. lee, what would you like to say? i in. lee, what would you like to say? ljust think in. lee, what would you like to say? i just think that we don't live in a bubble. people who are these green people, think we all live in a bubble. we don't live in a bubble and ulez, i understand about the children, yes, i have children myself, but why is it that if you pay your 12.50 you can pollute and still damage the kids? i think it is a complete rip—off.

still damage the kids? i think it is a complete rip-off.— still damage the kids? i think it is a complete rip-off. what do you mean b ureen a complete rip-off. what do you mean by green peeple? _ a complete rip-off. what do you mean by green people? the _ a complete rip-off. what do you mean by green people? the people - by green people? the people protesting — by green people? the people protesting saying _ by green people? the people protesting saying that - by green people? the people protesting saying that it's i by green people? the people protesting saying that it's a l by green people? the people i protesting saying that it's a good idea for the ulez to be in, supporting the ulez. we don't live in a bubble. on the m25 the wind will blow all the emissions and dirt. why is it to london transport can use polluting vehicles like black cabs, the older buses, and as you know, they are kicking out loads when they are stuck in traffic. . this will affect me massively. horst this will affect me massively. how will it affect _ this will affect me massively. how will it affect you, _ this will affect me massively. how will it affect you, can _ this will affect me massively. how will it affect you, can you - this will affect me massively. how will it affect you, can you spell it out for us?— will it affect you, can you spell it out for us? because i have to pay 12.50 to out for us? because i have to pay 050 to go _ out for us? because i have to pay 050 to go to _ out for us? because i have to pay 12.50 to go to work. _ out for us? because i have to pay 12.50 to go to work. just - out for us? because i have to pay 12.50 to go to work. just walking | 12.50 to go to work. just walking outside my front door. tbtnd 12.50 to go to work. just walking outside my front door.— 12.50 to go to work. just walking outside my front door. and why is our outside my front door. and why is your vehicle _ outside my front door. and why is your vehicle not _ outside my front door. and why is your vehicle not compliant? it i outside my front door. and why is your vehicle not compliant? it is l outside my front door. and why is | your vehicle not compliant? it is an old vehicle —

your vehicle not compliant? it is an old vehicle and _ your vehicle not compliant? it is an old vehicle and i _ your vehicle not compliant? it is an old vehicle and i don't _ your vehicle not compliant? it is an old vehicle and i don't have - your vehicle not compliant? it is an old vehicle and i don't have the i old vehicle and i don't have the funds to buy a brand—new vehicle. i used to be a mechanic before i became a career and i know quite a lot about it. whenever i take my vehicle for an mot my emissions are lower than what ole thauvin would be. they say my emissions are zero. so why do we get penalised if our vans are running at a standard where they are reading a zero emissions? why do we get penalised and still have to pay 12.50? why hasn't he brought in a system where if you go for your mot, you should be able to have a certificate to say your emissions meet the standard but that isn't happening. emissions meet the standard but that isn't happening-— isn't happening. every car is not the same. _ isn't happening. every car is not the same, absolutely. - isn't happening. every car is not the same, absolutely. sylvia, i isn't happening. every car is not i the same, absolutely. sylvia, what do you say? it is a problem for

people like lee, a nightmare. i people like lee, a nightmare. i agree. i think like with many policies _ agree. i think like with many policies the government and the mayor— policies the government and the mayor bring in, they leave these people _ mayor bring in, they leave these people behind. ithoroughly mayor bring in, they leave these people behind. i thoroughly support essential— people behind. i thoroughly support essential workers and tradespeople. there _ essential workers and tradespeople. there are _ essential workers and tradespeople. there are not affordable electric vans _ there are not affordable electric vans yet — there are not affordable electric vans yet so people are put into bad situations. — vans yet so people are put into bad situations, especially at the moment when _ situations, especially at the moment when everything is really tight. to use a when everything is really tight. use a mode when everything is really tight. in use a mode of transport, are we putting the cart before the horse? is it too much, too soon? in a putting the cart before the horse? is it too much, too soon? in a way, es and is it too much, too soon? in a way, yes and no- — is it too much, too soon? in a way, yes and no- it _ is it too much, too soon? in a way, yes and no- it is — is it too much, too soon? in a way, yes and no. it is important, - is it too much, too soon? in a way, yes and no. it is important, we i yes and no. it is important, we should — yes and no. it is important, we should be _ yes and no. it is important, we should be doing this, but i think what _ should be doing this, but i think what is — should be doing this, but i think what is happening is people have their own — what is happening is people have their own lives to think about and it is pushing people into almost

climate — it is pushing people into almost climate denying because they are 'ust climate denying because they are just forcing themselves into a situation _ just forcing themselves into a situation where they can't cope. i see people — situation where they can't cope. i see people in my community that are getting _ see people in my community that are getting a _ see people in my community that are getting a lot of pollution on small roads— getting a lot of pollution on small roads because of quiet zones, so the traffic— roads because of quiet zones, so the traffic is— roads because of quiet zones, so the traffic is pushed into residential and tiny— traffic is pushed into residential and tiny streets, one—way streets, one lane _ and tiny streets, one—way streets, one lane streets. that's even worse in a sense _ one lane streets. that's even worse in a sense because they used to live in a sense because they used to live in a sense because they used to live in a nice _ in a sense because they used to live in a nice area — in a sense because they used to live in a nice area and it's not any more — in a nice area and it's not any more. people are organising and protesting on the north circular a couple _ protesting on the north circular a couple of— protesting on the north circular a couple of weeks ago, a protest went on for— couple of weeks ago, a protest went on for a _ couple of weeks ago, a protest went on for a few— couple of weeks ago, a protest went on for a few days. i went down to it and took— on for a few days. i went down to it and took some pictures and saw their signs _ and took some pictures and saw their signs they— and took some pictures and saw their signs. they were all climate denying si-ns signs. they were all climate denying signs and _ signs. they were all climate denying signs and all against ulez, which was sad — signs and all against ulez, which was sad for me to see. from my garden _ was sad for me to see. from my garden i — was sad for me to see. from my garden i could hear the cars beeping all day— garden i could hear the cars beeping all day long in response for this protest~ — all day long in response for this protest. so that's where we are at.

yeah, _ protest. so that's where we are at. yeah, people, because of the polarisation of the issue, people are driven into the arms of those who might not naturally be their ideological soulmates. they do say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. it is also paved with unintended consequences. jerry is in essex and works for tfl. transport for london, hello. is that your real name? it for london, hello. is that your real name? . , . for london, hello. is that your real name?_ sticking - for london, hello. is that your real name?_ sticking your i for london, hello. is that your real. name?_ sticking your head name? it is, yes. sticking your head above the parapet. _ name? it is, yes. sticking your head above the parapet. what _ name? it is, yes. sticking your head above the parapet. what do - name? it is, yes. sticking your head above the parapet. what do you i name? it is, yes. sticking your head. above the parapet. what do you think of this, and what do you do, you are a project manager it says here. i am a pro'ect manager it says here. i am a project manager it says here. i am a pro'ect a project manager it says here. i am a project manager, _ a project manager it says here. i am a project manager, yes. _ a project manager it says here. i am a project manager, yes. what i a project manager it says here. i am a project manager, yes. what do i a project manager it says here. i am| a project manager, yes. what do you think? i a project manager, yes. what do you think? i think — a project manager, yes. what do you think? i think it— a project manager, yes. what do you think? i think it is _ a project manager, yes. what do you think? i think it is possibly... - a project manager, yes. what do you think? ithink it is possibly... i- think? ithink it is possibly... i understand — think? ithink it is possibly... i understand what _ think? ithink it is possibly... i understand what they - think? ithink it is possibly... i understand what they are i think? ithink it is possibly... i. understand what they are trying think? ithink it is possibly... i- understand what they are trying to do, understand what they are trying to do. obviously— understand what they are trying to do, obviously achieve _ understand what they are trying to do, obviously achieve getting i understand what they are trying to. do, obviously achieve getting better emissions, —

do, obviously achieve getting better emissions, but— do, obviously achieve getting better emissions, but it— do, obviously achieve getting better emissions, but it is— do, obviously achieve getting better emissions, but it is a _ do, obviously achieve getting better emissions, but it is a false - do, obviously achieve getting better emissions, but it is a false economy because _ emissions, but it is a false economy because we — emissions, but it is a false economy because we are _ emissions, but it is a false economy because we are probably— emissions, but it is a false economy because we are probably one - emissions, but it is a false economy because we are probably one of i emissions, but it is a false economy because we are probably one of the | because we are probably one of the least incentivised _ because we are probably one of the least incentivised countries - because we are probably one of the least incentivised countries in - least incentivised countries in europe — least incentivised countries in europe that _ least incentivised countries in europe that actually - least incentivised countries in europe that actually give i least incentivised countries in europe that actually give an l europe that actually give an incentive _ europe that actually give an incentive for— europe that actually give an incentive for people - europe that actually give an incentive for people to i europe that actually give an . incentive for people to change europe that actually give an - incentive for people to change their vehicles _ incentive for people to change their vehicles this — incentive for people to change their vehicles. this tax _ incentive for people to change their vehicles. this tax will _ incentive for people to change their vehicles. this tax will not _ incentive for people to change their vehicles. this tax will not do - vehicles. this tax will not do anything _ vehicles. this tax will not do anything any _ vehicles. this tax will not do anything any better. - vehicles. this tax will not do anything any better. you - vehicles. this tax will not do| anything any better. you pay vehicles. this tax will not do - anything any better. you pay the tax and your— anything any better. you pay the tax and your vehicle _ anything any better. you pay the tax and your vehicle is _ anything any better. you pay the tax and your vehicle is still— anything any better. you pay the tax and your vehicle is still on _ anything any better. you pay the tax and your vehicle is still on the - and your vehicle is still on the road. — and your vehicle is still on the road. so — and your vehicle is still on the road. so the _ and your vehicle is still on the road, so the emissions - and your vehicle is still on the road, so the emissions are . and your vehicle is still on the i road, so the emissions are still there~ — road, so the emissions are still there~ it — road, so the emissions are still there~ it does _ road, so the emissions are still there. it does not _ road, so the emissions are still there. it does not reducing - there. it does not reducing emissions, _ there. it does not reducing emissions, it— there. it does not reducing emissions, it will- there. it does not reducing emissions, it will not - there. it does not reducing emissions, it will not solve there. it does not reducing - emissions, it will not solve the problem. — emissions, it will not solve the problem, unless— emissions, it will not solve the problem, unless they - emissions, it will not solve the problem, unless they actuallyi emissions, it will not solve the i problem, unless they actually use may problem, unless they actually use niay be _ problem, unless they actually use niay be the — problem, unless they actually use may be the tax _ problem, unless they actually use may be the tax to _ problem, unless they actually use may be the tax to go _ problem, unless they actually use may be the tax to go into - problem, unless they actually use may be the tax to go into a - problem, unless they actually use may be the tax to go into a pot i problem, unless they actually use i may be the tax to go into a pot that then helps— may be the tax to go into a pot that then helps pe0pte _ may be the tax to go into a pot that then helps people be _ may be the tax to go into a pot that then helps people be able - may be the tax to go into a pot that then helps people be able to- may be the tax to go into a pot that| then helps people be able to change their can _ then helps people be able to change their car. you — then helps people be able to change their car. ., ., �* , . , ., , their car. you won't be able to use it in any of— their car. you won't be able to use it in any of the _ their car. you won't be able to use it in any of the boroughs. - their car. you won't be able to use it in any of the boroughs. that's i it in any of the boroughs. that's riaht, it in any of the boroughs. that's right. yeah. _ it in any of the boroughs. that's right, yeah, that's _ it in any of the boroughs. that's right, yeah, that's what - it in any of the boroughs. that's right, yeah, that's what i'm - it in any of the boroughs. that's . right, yeah, that's what i'm saying. if right, yeah, that's what i'm saying. if you _ right, yeah, that's what i'm saying. if you want — right, yeah, that's what i'm saying. if you want to — right, yeah, that's what i'm saying. if you want to use _ right, yeah, that's what i'm saying. if you want to use your— right, yeah, that's what i'm saying. if you want to use your car- right, yeah, that's what i'm saying. if you want to use your car and - right, yeah, that's what i'm saying. if you want to use your car and you | if you want to use your car and you pay the _ if you want to use your car and you pay the tax. — if you want to use your car and you pay the tax. there _ if you want to use your car and you pay the tax, there is— if you want to use your car and you pay the tax, there is no— if you want to use your car and you pay the tax, there is no incentive l pay the tax, there is no incentive there _ pay the tax, there is no incentive there to — pay the tax, there is no incentive there to reduce _

pay the tax, there is no incentive there to reduce the _ pay the tax, there is no incentive there to reduce the emissions i there to reduce the emissions because — there to reduce the emissions because the _ there to reduce the emissions because the cars _ there to reduce the emissions because the cars are - there to reduce the emissions because the cars are still- there to reduce the emissions because the cars are still on l there to reduce the emissions l because the cars are still on the road _ because the cars are still on the road you — because the cars are still on the road. you pay— because the cars are still on the road. you pay the _ because the cars are still on the road. you pay the tax, - because the cars are still on the road. you pay the tax, but - because the cars are still on the| road. you pay the tax, but where does _ road. you pay the tax, but where does that — road. you pay the tax, but where does that tax _ road. you pay the tax, but where does that tax money— road. you pay the tax, but where does that tax money go? - road. you pay the tax, but where does that tax money go? will- road. you pay the tax, but where does that tax money go? will it i road. you pay the tax, but where . does that tax money go? will it help contribute _ does that tax money go? will it help contribute to — does that tax money go? will it help contribute to a _ does that tax money go? will it help contribute to a solution _ does that tax money go? will it help contribute to a solution of— does that tax money go? will it help contribute to a solution of giving - contribute to a solution of giving the car— contribute to a solution of giving the car drivers _ contribute to a solution of giving the car drivers more _ contribute to a solution of giving the car drivers more money- contribute to a solution of giving| the car drivers more money back contribute to a solution of giving i the car drivers more money back to let them _ the car drivers more money back to let them change _ the car drivers more money back to let them change their— the car drivers more money back to let them change their car? - the car drivers more money back toi let them change their car? because the incentive — let them change their car? because the incentive at _ let them change their car? because the incentive at the _ let them change their car? because the incentive at the moment - let them change their car? because the incentive at the moment to - the incentive at the moment to change — the incentive at the moment to change the _ the incentive at the moment to change the car— the incentive at the moment to change the car is _ the incentive at the moment to change the car is not _ the incentive at the moment to change the car is not enough, i the incentive at the moment to. change the car is not enough, to reduce _ change the car is not enough, to reduce the — change the car is not enough, to reduce the amount _ change the car is not enough, to reduce the amount of— change the car is not enough, to reduce the amount of cars - change the car is not enough, to reduce the amount of cars on i change the car is not enough, to| reduce the amount of cars on the road, _ reduce the amount of cars on the road. to— reduce the amount of cars on the road. to get— reduce the amount of cars on the road. to get it _ reduce the amount of cars on the road, to get it down _ reduce the amount of cars on the road, to get it down to _ reduce the amount of cars on the road, to get it down to reduce . reduce the amount of cars on the | road, to get it down to reduce the emissions — road, to get it down to reduce the emissions so— road, to get it down to reduce the emissions. so people _ road, to get it down to reduce the emissions. so people pay- road, to get it down to reduce the emissions. so people pay the - road, to get it down to reduce the| emissions. so people pay the fine, pay the _ emissions. so people pay the fine, pay the tax. — emissions. so people pay the fine, pay the tax. sorry, _ emissions. so people pay the fine, pay the tax, sorry, and _ emissions. so people pay the fine, pay the tax, sorry, and the - pay the tax, sorry, and the emissions _ pay the tax, sorry, and the emissions are _ pay the tax, sorry, and the emissions are still- pay the tax, sorry, and the emissions are still there. l pay the tax, sorry, and the. emissions are still there. so pay the tax, sorry, and the - emissions are still there. so the problem — emissions are still there. so the problem is — emissions are still there. so the problem is still— emissions are still there. so the problem is still there. _ emissions are still there. so the problem is still there. all- emissions are still there. so the problem is still there. all you i emissions are still there. so the| problem is still there. all you are doing _ problem is still there. all you are doing is— problem is still there. all you are doing is fitting _ problem is still there. all you are doing is filling a _ problem is still there. all you are doing is filling a pot _ problem is still there. all you are doing is filling a pot of— problem is still there. all you are doing is filling a pot of money - problem is still there. all you are l doing is filling a pot of money from this tax— doing is filling a pot of money from this tax and — doing is filling a pot of money from this tax and the _ doing is filling a pot of money from this tax and the emissions - doing is filling a pot of money from this tax and the emissions are - doing is filling a pot of money from this tax and the emissions are still| this tax and the emissions are still the same. — this tax and the emissions are still the same, basically, _ this tax and the emissions are still the same, basically, so _ this tax and the emissions are still the same, basically, so the - this tax and the emissions are still i the same, basically, so the problem doesn't _ the same, basically, so the problem doesn't go _ the same, basically, so the problem doesn't go away _ the same, basically, so the problem doesn't go away it— the same, basically, so the problem doesn't go away. [it is _ the same, basically, so the problem doesn't go away-— doesn't go away. it is worth -aointin doesn't go away. it is worth pointing out _ doesn't go away. it is worth pointing out that _ doesn't go away. it is worth pointing out that all - doesn't go away. it is worth pointing out that all the - doesn't go away. it is worth i pointing out that all the buses doesn't go away. it is worth - pointing out that all the buses in tfl's 9000 pointing out that all the buses in tfl�*s 9000 strong bus fleet now meet or exceed the cleanest euro six emissions. all the money received from the scheme is reinvested into

improving london's transport network, that's what they say, such as expanding bus routes in outer london. black cabs are not in the scope of ulez because they are legally obliged to use a certain type of vehicle that is wheelchair compliant. just pointing out all these bits and pieces. that compliant. just pointing out all these bits and pieces.- these bits and pieces. that is riaht, these bits and pieces. that is right. there _ these bits and pieces. that is right, there are _ these bits and pieces. that is right, there are incentives . these bits and pieces. that isi right, there are incentives for buses— right, there are incentives for buses and _ right, there are incentives for buses and making _ right, there are incentives for buses and making things - right, there are incentives for- buses and making things greener. what _ buses and making things greener. what do _ buses and making things greener. what do your— buses and making things greener. what do your colleagues - buses and making things greener. what do your colleagues think - buses and making things greener. what do your colleagues think at i buses and making things greener. . what do your colleagues think at tfl generally when you chat? i am generally when you chat? i am actually part — generally when you chat? i am actually part of— generally when you chat? i am actually part of a _ generally when you chat? i am actually part of a carbon - generally when you chat? i am actually part of a carbon team in tfl, we — actually part of a carbon team in tfl, we do — actually part of a carbon team in tfl, we do carbon— actually part of a carbon team in tfl, we do carbon training - actually part of a carbon team in tfl, we do carbon training to- actually part of a carbon team in| tfl, we do carbon training to the whole _ tfl, we do carbon training to the whole of— tfl, we do carbon training to the whole of tfl _ tfl, we do carbon training to the whole of tfl. to _ tfl, we do carbon training to the whole of tfl. to get _ tfl, we do carbon training to the whole of tfl. to get the - tfl, we do carbon training to the| whole of tfl. to get the message over about — whole of tfl. to get the message over about obviously _ whole of tfl. to get the message over about obviously how- whole of tfl. to get the message over about obviously how to - whole of tfl. to get the message l over about obviously how to reduce our carbon — over about obviously how to reduce our carbon footprint. _ over about obviously how to reduce our carbon footprint. so _ over about obviously how to reduce our carbon footprint. so there - over about obviously how to reduce our carbon footprint. so there are i our carbon footprint. so there are bil our carbon footprint. so there are big incentives— our carbon footprint. so there are big incentives in— our carbon footprint. so there are big incentives in tfl— our carbon footprint. so there are big incentives in tfl to _ our carbon footprint. so there are big incentives in tfl to reduce - our carbon footprint. so there are big incentives in tfl to reduce the

carbon— big incentives in tfl to reduce the carbon footprint, _ big incentives in tfl to reduce the carbon footprint, but _ big incentives in tfl to reduce the carbon footprint, but i'm - big incentives in tfl to reduce the carbon footprint, but i'm afraid i carbon footprint, but i'm afraid this tax. — carbon footprint, but i'm afraid this tax. it _ carbon footprint, but i'm afraid this tax, it just _ carbon footprint, but i'm afraid this tax, it just isn't _ carbon footprint, but i'm afraid this tax, it just isn't a - carbon footprint, but i'm afraid this tax, itjust isn't a way... . carbon footprint, but i'm afraid. this tax, itjust isn't a way... we are benatising _ this tax, itjust isn't a way... we are penalising people _ this tax, itjust isn't a way... we are penalising people without. this tax, itjust isn't a way... we - are penalising people without giving them proper— are penalising people without giving them proper incentives _ are penalising people without giving them proper incentives to _ are penalising people without giving them proper incentives to change i them proper incentives to change their— them proper incentives to change their cars — them proper incentives to change their cars. the _ them proper incentives to change their cars. the buses _ them proper incentives to change their cars. the buses and - them proper incentives to change their cars. the buses and all- them proper incentives to change their cars. the buses and all that| their cars. the buses and all that might— their cars. the buses and all that might be — their cars. the buses and all that might be carbon _ their cars. the buses and all that might be carbon free _ their cars. the buses and all that might be carbon free etc- their cars. the buses and all that might be carbon free etc and - their cars. the buses and all that might be carbon free etc and noi might be carbon free etc and no emissions, _ might be carbon free etc and no emissions, but _ might be carbon free etc and no emissions, but that _ might be carbon free etc and no emissions, but that won't - might be carbon free etc and no emissions, but that won't help. might be carbon free etc and no . emissions, but that won't help the problem _ emissions, but that won't help the problem when _ emissions, but that won't help the problem when you _ emissions, but that won't help the problem when you see _ emissions, but that won't help the problem when you see the - emissions, but that won't help the j problem when you see the amount emissions, but that won't help the i problem when you see the amount of cars operating — problem when you see the amount of cars operating in— problem when you see the amount of cars operating in the _ problem when you see the amount of cars operating in the greater- problem when you see the amount of cars operating in the greater londoni cars operating in the greater london area when— cars operating in the greater london area when they _ cars operating in the greater london area when they extend _ cars operating in the greater london area when they extend the - cars operating in the greater london area when they extend the tax. - area when they extend the tax. especialty — area when they extend the tax. especially in _ area when they extend the tax. especially in the _ area when they extend the tax. especially in the greater- area when they extend the tax. i especially in the greater london area, _ especially in the greater london area. people _ especially in the greater london area, people need _ especially in the greater london area, people need their- especially in the greater london area, people need their cars - especially in the greater london area, people need their cars to| especially in the greater london i area, people need their cars to get around _ area, people need their cars to get around because _ area, people need their cars to get around because the _ area, people need their cars to get around because the public- area, people need their cars to getl around because the public transport is not _ around because the public transport is not there — around because the public transport is not there to — around because the public transport is not there to support _ around because the public transport is not there to support people - around because the public transport is not there to support people in - is not there to support people in those _ is not there to support people in those areas _ is not there to support people in those areas. what _ is not there to support people in those areas. what you're - is not there to support people in those areas. what you're doing. is not there to support people in i those areas. what you're doing as well is _ those areas. what you're doing as well is penalising _ those areas. what you're doing as well is penalising people - those areas. what you're doing as well is penalising people that - those areas. what you're doing as well is penalising people that live| well is penalising people that live outside _ well is penalising people that live outside those _ well is penalising people that live outside those zones _ well is penalising people that live outside those zones because - well is penalising people that live i outside those zones because people that want— outside those zones because people that want to — outside those zones because people that want to cross _ outside those zones because people that want to cross over _ outside those zones because people that want to cross over into - outside those zones because people that want to cross over into a - outside those zones because people that want to cross over into a gla . that want to cross over into a gla area _ that want to cross over into a gla area are _ that want to cross over into a gla area are going _ that want to cross over into a gla area are going to _ that want to cross over into a gla area are going to have _ that want to cross over into a gla area are going to have to - that want to cross over into a gla area are going to have to pay- that want to cross over into a gla area are going to have to pay the | area are going to have to pay the tax. . ~ area are going to have to pay the tax. . ,, , ., ,

area are going to have to pay the tax. . ,, i. , . tax. thank you, we will reset and reurou -. tax. thank you, we will reset and regroup- really _ tax. thank you, we will reset and regroup. really interesting, - tax. thank you, we will reset and regroup. really interesting, jerryj regroup. really interesting, jerry works for tfl. we are talking about ulez, lez and clean—air zones. it isa it is a heavy response. is ulez for you? we're talking about low emission zones this morning. we will keep on keeping on. ajudicial review into sadiq khan's plans to expand london's ultra low emission zone is scheduled to begin around now. it means that peope who drive noncompliant vehicles in the zone have to pay a daily charge of £12.50. the mayor wants it to cover the whole of london from the end of august. it has sparked a huge debate in and around the captial, -- it —— it has sparked a huge debate, a very polarised debate, as these tend to be. different schemes, different methods and rules but the same

overall intent are coming across the uk. we are talking london, brighton, birmingham, bristol, portsmouth, bath, norwich, sheffield, aberdeen, dundee, edinburgh and dear old glasgow town and others. that is the next hour, so get your call is coming in. look at this text. here is the news from nick hatfield. the high court is due to start hearing evidence for and against the expansion of london's ultra—low emission zone. the mayor, sadiq khan, says it's needed to tackle air pollution. but five conservative—led councils argue it'll have a big financial impact on drivers. figures suggest a typical five—year fixed mortgage deal now has an interest rate of more than 6%.

it comes after the bank of england raised interest rates to a 15—year high of 5% last month, as it tries to bring down inflation. israel says the large—scale military operation in the occupied west bank that started yesterday is close to achieving its aims. israeli forces say they've arrested 120 suspects in thejenin refugee camp. bbc research has found the number of people contacting the dvla worried about a driver's ability behind the wheel is rising. a freedom of information request found there were almost 19,000 concerns raised last year, more than 80% up on 2021. they are flying off the shelf. i

think lots of people have been pent up, dying to discuss this issue. let me come to more texts. ulez is a great idea but only the working class will reduce their visits to the areas. middle class might think about it, it will not bother the wealthy, that is the swi9 issue. i bet mps will claim costs back. this one, ourair bet mps will claim costs back. this one, our air needs to be cleaned up, i have bought a plug—in hybrid to help but a while ago we were urged to switch to diesel because it is less polluting and now the people who did it are being grossly penalised financially, professionally, socially. incentives and other support are unhelpful, there must be a better path says johnin there must be a better path says john in enfield. this one, poorer people are not able to afford ulez

compliance cars, my current car is fully compatible with glasgow's low emissions zone. meanwhile, says this one, we still happily fly flowers all over europe to place it our windows for a week to throw away. motorists are an easy target for the hypocritical life to care very little about those of us struggling to make a living. —— the hypocritical left. that is from peta. peta, are you not made of flesh, do you not have lungs? we have several callers and drj jim mcquaid is still with us. he has the science. good morning, karen.

ulez, lez, clean airzones, how is it going on bath? it is ulez, lez, clean air zones, how is it going on bath?— it going on bath? it is unfortunate for me, it going on bath? it is unfortunate for me. mine _ it going on bath? it is unfortunate for me, mine is _ it going on bath? it is unfortunate for me, mine is a _ it going on bath? it is unfortunate for me, mine is a very _ it going on bath? it is unfortunate for me, mine is a very old - it going on bath? it is unfortunate for me, mine is a very old car- it going on bath? it is unfortunate for me, mine is a very old car but| for me, mine is a very old car but it is low emissions. my son has a diesel van, he has a beautiful work. he will not be able to drive through the centre of bath ever. fortunately he lives on the outskirts of it is not such a problem for him but it is for many others in the same boat. what is the general view? without stereotyping or characterising too much, bath would be a place i would have thought... don't throw things at me, would be a place that was full of people who had green sensitivities. would i be right? i think lots of people are, i have green sensitivities and probably have had full much of my adult life.

i walk and i cycle lots but i still need a car to get to my son's house and my daughter, who live on the other side of town. i can't take two buses, it takes an hour and ten minutes and if i am baby—sitting at night it is ridiculous. my car, fortunately, is low emissions, but i think it london it would not be. i am all for cleaning up the air but i think people maybe need to be educated about not driving for short journeys, which many people do, and understanding you can get there another way but i don't think banning cars and penalising the poor is the way to go because the rich are still driving about, it will not bother them at all, we have lots of suvs around, i don't know if they are charged, i presume not, because they are newer vehicles, and it seems very, very unfair. i

they are newer vehicles, and it seems very, very unfair.- they are newer vehicles, and it seems very, very unfair. i bet some ofthe seems very, very unfair. i bet some of the peeple _ seems very, very unfair. i bet some of the people driving _ seems very, very unfair. i bet some of the people driving suvs - seems very, very unfair. i bet some of the people driving suvs would i seems very, very unfair. i bet some | of the people driving suvs would be the very people who would say we have green sensibilities too. we are all hypocrites, one way or another. yes, they will not stop driving them. but people don't realise pollution is really bad, we all want clean air. charging is the way to go. hgvs come through the city at an alarming rate, you go on the main road and you see them everywhere. something needs to be done about hgvs something needs to be done about hgvs to maybe divert them so they don't have to come through bath to get to where they are going. and with electric cars people do not realise, they are not educated, there is a massive carbon footprint on the other side of the world where the batteries are being produced. that is getting better. attest

the batteries are being produced. that is getting better. vast swathes of land are being _ that is getting better. vast swathes of land are being polluted _ that is getting better. vast swathes of land are being polluted and - of land are being polluted and destroyed and people are suffering to give us clean air, i think it is morally wrong. taste to give us clean air, i think it is morally wrong.— to give us clean air, i think it is morally wrong. we have discussed that recently _ morally wrong. we have discussed that recently and _ morally wrong. we have discussed that recently and those _ morally wrong. we have discussed that recently and those people - morally wrong. we have discussed | that recently and those people who are very full electric cars said it is getting better all the time, we are on the road, that is the important bit. thank you, an interesting point about suvs and hgvs, interesting point about suvs and hgvs, lots of suv drivers will say my car is compiling. claire is in the rain, rory is in battersea. good morning —— lots of suv drivers will say my car is compliant. are you for it, claire? �* . ., , it, claire? i'm against it, i live in rain home, _ it, claire? i'm against it, i live in rain home, i— it, claire? i'm against it, i live in rain home, i thought - it, claire? i'm against it, i live in rain home, i thought it- it, claire? i'm against it, i live in rain home, i thought it was| it, claire? i'm against it, i livel in rain home, i thought it was a goodidea in rain home, i thought it was a good idea to get a diesel car, it has never let me down but i work in bexley so it will cost me £250 a month to get to work. —— i live in

rainham. i looked into buying another car, i can only get an old car which will still be high mileage and will cost me about £5,000, which i have not got. given the prices going up with food and bills etc, i'm not sure how people will do it. do you get why we need to do it, some people say? go buy kind of why, but if we had been doing a little biti but if we had been doing a little bi- ~' ., , but if we had been doing a little bi- ~ ., , ., bit i kind of get why, that if we had been given _ bit i kind of get why, that if we had been given longer, - bit i kind of get why, that if we had been given longer, that i bit i kind of get why, that if we - had been given longer, that would have been helpful. people in my circumstances don't have £5,000 just to buy another car. i don't get any help with the scrappage scheme because my children are 19 and 23, i am not on benefits so there is no help for people like me.- i l am not on benefits so there is no help for people like me. rory? i got that. help for people like me. rory? i got that- nicky. — help for people like me. rory? i got that- nicky. i— help for people like me. rory? i got that. nicky, i support— help for people like me. rory? i got that. nicky, i support the _ help for people like me. rory? i got

that. nicky, i support the ulez zone but i that. nicky, i support the ulez zone but i think— that. nicky, i support the ulez zone but i think they need a bit of perspective. 0wning and buying a car is not _ perspective. 0wning and buying a car is not cheap. — perspective. 0wning and buying a car is not cheap, owning a car is not a right. _ is not cheap, owning a car is not a right. it _ is not cheap, owning a car is not a right. it is — is not cheap, owning a car is not a right. it is a — is not cheap, owning a car is not a right, it is a privilege. (inaudible) ~ '— (inaudible) . i can't afford a car at all. hearing _ . i can't afford a car at all. hearing other people who have enough money— hearing other people who have enough money every month to pay for car insurance. — money every month to pay for car insurance, fuel, mot, allthis disposable income to spend on cars. granted. _ disposable income to spend on cars. granted. it— disposable income to spend on cars. granted, it could be work, it can be necessary. — granted, it could be work, it can be necessary, but still i wish i had that— necessary, but still i wish i had that amount of money to spend. peopte _ that amount of money to spend. people drive around london in private — people drive around london in private cars, one at a time, they pollute — private cars, one at a time, they pollute the — private cars, one at a time, they pollute the streets of london as our air. pollute the streets of london as our air at— pollute the streets of london as our air at the _ pollute the streets of london as our air. at the end of the day there are millions— air. at the end of the day there are millions upon millions in london who do not _ millions upon millions in london who do not own— millions upon millions in london who do not own a — millions upon millions in london who do not own a car at all. they have

to suffer — do not own a car at all. they have to suffer the _ do not own a car at all. they have to suffer the consequences of others driving _ to suffer the consequences of others driving about. to suffer the consequences of others driving about-— driving about. people need to cars and vans for— driving about. people need to cars and vans for work, _ driving about. people need to cars and vans for work, to _ driving about. people need to cars and vans for work, to put - driving about. people need to cars and vans for work, to put their - and vans for work, to put their tools in the back, they need to get around. as good as transport is in parts of london, it is insufficient. even getting the train will cost me the same if not more to get a train to work. wejust the same if not more to get a train to work. we just want to earn a living. i to work. we 'ust want to earn a livina. ., ., to work. we 'ust want to earn a livin. ., ., _ to work. we 'ust want to earn a livin, . ., , ., to work. we 'ust want to earn a livin.. . ., ., . , to work. we 'ust want to earn a livin.. . ., . , living. i had to pay for trains too, but paying _ living. i had to pay for trains too, but paying for— living. i had to pay for trains too, but paying for a _ living. i had to pay for trains too, but paying for a train _ living. i had to pay for trains too, but paying for a train is _ living. i had to pay for trains too, but paying for a train is still- but paying for a train is still cheaper— but paying for a train is still cheaper than paying for a car. the trains aren't _ cheaper than paying for a car. tie: trains aren't reliable, what cheaper than paying for a car. tt9: trains aren't reliable, what about the strikes?— the strikes? this isn't leeds or sheffield or— the strikes? this isn't leeds or sheffield or the _ the strikes? this isn't leeds or sheffield or the pennine - the strikes? this isn't leeds or- sheffield or the pennine mountains, it is london, you can get from reading — it is london, you can get from reading to shenfield in under an hour on— reading to shenfield in under an hour on the elizabeth line. i�*m hour on the elizabeth line. i'm talkin: hour on the elizabeth line. i'm talking about _ hour on the elizabeth line. trn talking about the train strikes. how

do you tell your boss you can't get to work because you can't use your car and you can't get a train because of the train strikes? taste car and you can't get a train because of the train strikes? we are talkin: because of the train strikes? we are talking about _ because of the train strikes? we are talking about london, _ because of the train strikes? we are talking about london, not _ because of the train strikes? we are talking about london, not the - because of the train strikes? we are | talking about london, not the middle or the _ talking about london, not the middle or the north of england. the train strikes _ or the north of england. the train strikes affect the whole network but they are _ strikes affect the whole network but they are not merely affecting us in london _ they are not merely affecting us in london and you have multiple alternative transport methods. we are fantastic in the city, we have trams— are fantastic in the city, we have trams in— are fantastic in the city, we have trams in the _ are fantastic in the city, we have trams in the south in croydon. | trams in the south in croydon. don't live in trams in the south in croydon. i don't live in the city, i live in rainham in kent, i had to travel to london. t rainham in kent, i had to travel to london. . , ., . . , london. i am sorry to hear that but there are excellent _ london. i am sorry to hear that but there are excellent railway - there are excellent railway connections from kent and all of the home _ connections from kent and all of the home counties straight into london. ithink— home counties straight into london. i think there are many people out there like myself that i having sleepless nights. i am thinking about peoples mental health when they are having to buy a new car they are having to buy a new car they do not have the money for, putting it on finance when the bills

are going up and food is going up and ata time are going up and food is going up and at a time when the country is in crisis with money, i think it is appalling timing. i crisis with money, i think it is appalling timing.— crisis with money, i think it is appalling timing. i find my mental health has improved _ appalling timing. i find my mental health has improved by _ appalling timing. i find my mental health has improved by having - appalling timing. i find my mental. health has improved by having clean air and _ health has improved by having clean airand engaging in health has improved by having clean air and engaging in more active transport — air and engaging in more active transport like walking and cycling. if transport like walking and cycling. if you _ transport like walking and cycling. if you want to improve your mental health— if you want to improve your mental health i_ if you want to improve your mental health i would recommend engaging in some of— health i would recommend engaging in some of those things. that health i would recommend engaging in some of those things.— some of those things. that is really not what it is _ some of those things. that is really not what it is about, _ some of those things. that is really not what it is about, i _ some of those things. that is really not what it is about, i think there i not what it is about, i think there are many people like me who are struggling with this. this are many people like me who are struggling with this.— are many people like me who are struggling with this. this goes back to what i struggling with this. this goes back to what i said. _ struggling with this. this goes back to what i said, we _ struggling with this. this goes back to what i said, we need _ struggling with this. this goes back to what i said, we need a _ struggling with this. this goes back to what i said, we need a sense - struggling with this. this goes back to what i said, we need a sense of| to what i said, we need a sense of perspective — to what i said, we need a sense of perspective. millions can't afford a car and _ perspective. millions can't afford a car and you — perspective. millions can't afford a carand you are perspective. millions can't afford a car and you are complaining that the car and you are complaining that the car that— car and you are complaining that the car that you — car and you are complaining that the car that you have enough money for its costing _ car that you have enough money for its costing you more. most people do not have _ its costing you more. most people do not have two pennies to scratch together— not have two pennies to scratch together to save for a car. | not have two pennies to scratch together to save for a car. i have an older car. _ together to save for a car. i have an older car. i— together to save for a car. i have an older car, i can't _ together to save for a car. i have an older car, i can't afford - together to save for a car. i have an older car, i can't afford a - an older car, i can't afford a brand—new car. i am just trying to earn a living and get to work like everybody else, i'm a normal person.

the conversation continues in radio 5 live, bbc sounds and the news channel, but if you're watching bbc two, you will be seeing politics live. people need a car, owning a car is a writer, somebody has texted you, rory. people feeling very strongly about this. —— is a writer. so is owning a bicycle and a bus pass. it is a privilege, millions cannot afford cars and cannot afford the monthly costs.— cannot afford cars and cannot afford the monthly costs. what you people like m self the monthly costs. what you people like myself too, _ the monthly costs. what you people like myself too, double _ the monthly costs. what you people like myself too, double amputee, i like myself too, double amputee, live in a terraced house, need a car, can't charge an electric car unless i have a lead of about 100 feet, you are taking away my independence, rory? lute

feet, you are taking away my independence, rory? feet, you are taking away my indeendence, ro ? ~ , . independence, rory? me personally? i don't understand _ independence, rory? me personally? i don't understand why _ independence, rory? me personally? i don't understand why people _ independence, rory? me personally? i don't understand why people can't - don't understand why people can't move _ don't understand why people can't move to _ don't understand why people can't move to other modes of transport. cars are _ move to other modes of transport. cars are not — move to other modes of transport. cars are not the only other way to -et cars are not the only other way to get around — cars are not the only other way to get around. use a motorbike if you want _ get around. use a motorbike if you want to— get around. use a motorbike if you want to use — get around. use a motorbike if you want to use a combustion engine. i don't _ want to use a combustion engine. i don't understand why people can't use alternative methods, there are plenty _ use alternative methods, there are plenty of _ use alternative methods, there are plenty of options available to everyone. plenty of options available to everyone-— plenty of options available to eve one. . ~ ., ~ everyone. thank you for kicking it off and kicking — everyone. thank you for kicking it off and kicking it _ everyone. thank you for kicking it off and kicking it up _ everyone. thank you for kicking it off and kicking it up and - everyone. thank you for kicking it off and kicking it up and getting i everyone. thank you for kicking it off and kicking it up and getting it going. thank you, rory in battersea and claire in rainham. jim mcquaid, ibet you are and claire in rainham. jim mcquaid, i bet you are watching this with real interest, air pollution scientist from the university of leeds. looking at the texts and listening to the calls, it is a difficult sell to lots of people. it is a hugely emotive subject, particularly with the cost of living crisis we are going through at the

moment. there was a comment about the mot emissions tests and they were first brought in in 1991 and upgraded in 1996. you can imagine the emissions from a car in 1996 compared to now, the vast majority will pass that with flying colours. maybe the emissions test in the mot needs to be a bit stricter, that is just one thing. people talk about... you mentioned global leadership, people say lots of the pollution is elsewhere around the world, but if you add the amount of pollution we have produced since the start of the industrial revolution, we have still produced more pollution than india and we can't expect all the other countries to start clamping down on

pollution. countries to start clamping down on ollution. ., ,, ., . , pollution. you know the arguments auainst pollution. you know the arguments against this? _ pollution. you know the arguments against this? we _ pollution. you know the arguments against this? we invented - pollution. you know the arguments against this? we invented loads i pollution. you know the arguments against this? we invented loads of| against this? we invented loads of stuff that has benefited loads of other countries because of the industrial revolution, so thank you very much. industrial revolution, so thank you very much-— very much. there is certainly that balance, there _ very much. there is certainly that balance, there are _ very much. there is certainly that balance, there are two _ very much. there is certainly that balance, there are two sides - very much. there is certainly that balance, there are two sides to i balance, there are two sides to everything. it is certainly good people are having this conversation, it is highlighting the health impacts. when they were setting up the clean air zone in bradford i spoke to some taxi drivers because a third of all primary school asthma cases has been linked to air pollution in bradford, that is by the born in bradford team which has followed these children since they were born. that opened eyes, the taxi drivers suddenly realise this. leedsis taxi drivers suddenly realise this. leeds is an area slated to have a

clean air zone originally and there was so much work done in the lead up to the introduction of the clean air zone that the modelling predictions show that actually they were on track without the implementation of the clean air zone. the conversation is bringing people around that. london has a tradition of leading the way in public health. i would have two google, it was the 18505 or the 18605, the sewage system was built because of the great stink, the thames was full of sewage and it was impossible to live anywhere near it. it carries on the wind and it was disgusting, like swimming in the river wye now, frankly. then there

was the pea soup and the smoke at the height of the coal fires —— the pea soupers. children's health must have been hugely adversely affected in the 505. have been hugely adversely affected in the 50s. . ,., have been hugely adversely affected in the 50s. . , . in the 50s. one thing about the pea sou ers is in the 50s. one thing about the pea soupers is peeple — in the 50s. one thing about the pea soupers is people just _ in the 50s. one thing about the pea soupers is people just think - in the 50s. one thing about the pea soupers is people just think about l soupers is people just think about the impact during that event. it was a few days and then it cleared up. but these people had been breathing in sulphuric acid during that time, the thousands of people who died during the pea souper has been dwarfed by the number of people who died following that, or life expectancy was reduced. you can look at this. i am a chemist but you don't have to be a catalyst to know that we think sulphuric acid cannot

be good. —— you don't have to be a chemist to know that breathing sulphuric acid cannot be good, and thatis sulphuric acid cannot be good, and that is what people are doing during the pea souper. tithe that is what people are doing during the pea souper-— that is what people are doing during the pea souper. one of the reasons i love doinu the pea souper. one of the reasons i love doing programmes _ the pea souper. one of the reasons i love doing programmes like - the pea souper. one of the reasons i love doing programmes like this, - love doing programmes like this, debate and phone in programmes, we are talking about the smog in london as it used to be, the notorious, horrible smoke. any in cheddar is on the line, who used to live in london, and ifi the line, who used to live in london, and if i may 50, if it is not indelicate of me to say so, annie, you have passed 79, haven't you? annie, you have passed 79, haven't ou? can annie, you have passed 79, haven't you?- can you _ annie, you have passed 79, haven't you?- can you hear - annie, you have passed 79, haven't you?- can you hear me? - annie, you have passed 79, haven't you?- can you hear me?- annie, you have passed 79, haven't you?- can you hear me? you? hello?! can you hear me? it is a really bad — you? hello?! can you hear me? it is a really bad line, _ you? hello?! can you hear me? it is a really bad line, just _ you? hello?! can you hear me? it is a really bad line, just about. - you? hello?! can you hear me? it is a really bad line, just about. i - you? hello?! can you hear me? it is a really bad line, just about. i am i a really bad line, just about. i am trying _ a really bad line, just about. i am trying always to hear you, let's have _ trying always to hear you, let's have a — trying always to hear you, let's have a go _ trying always to hear you, let's have a go. i'm almost 80, i was born in 1944— have a go. i'm almost 80, i was born in 1944 with — have a go. i'm almost 80, i was born in 1944 with the germans bombing the

house _ in1944 with the germans bombing the house i_ in1944 with the germans bombing the house i was— in 1944 with the germans bombing the house i was born in, but my mother -ot house i was born in, but my mother got me _ house i was born in, but my mother got me out— house i was born in, but my mother got me out and i am alive this day. basically. — got me out and i am alive this day. basically. i— got me out and i am alive this day. basically, i would love to see every car off— basically, i would love to see every car off the — basically, i would love to see every car off the road. i am so healthy, i can't _ car off the road. i am so healthy, i can't tell— car off the road. i am so healthy, i can't tell you _ car off the road. i am so healthy, i can't tell you. it is embarrassing sometimes _ can't tell you. it is embarrassing sometimes how healthy i am. and i haven't— sometimes how healthy i am. and i haven't always been, you know? i was brought— haven't always been, you know? i was brought up— haven't always been, you know? i was brought up in— haven't always been, you know? i was brought up in liverpool before the pollution — brought up in liverpool before the pollution but i got myself i would, -ot pollution but i got myself i would, got all— pollution but i got myself i would, got all my— pollution but i got myself i would, got all my children and grandchildren out, we all live in somerset— grandchildren out, we all live in somerset where the air is clean and you hardly— somerset where the air is clean and you hardly ever see a car where i live _ you hardly ever see a car where i live it _ you hardly ever see a car where i live it has — you hardly ever see a car where i live. it has panned out for me. but basically— live. it has panned out for me. but basically it — live. it has panned out for me. but basically it is — live. it has panned out for me. but basically it is horrendous. the car situation — basically it is horrendous. the car situation is — basically it is horrendous. the car situation is horrendous. don't get me on— situation is horrendous. don't get me on it — situation is horrendous. don't get me on it too _ situation is horrendous. don't get me on it too strongly, i'm so opposed _ me on it too strongly, i'm so opposed '— me on it too strongly, i'm so opposed. i never see a car where i am living. — opposed. i never see a car where i am living. it— opposed. i never see a car where i am living, it is so peaceful, this

particular— am living, it is so peaceful, this particular part of somerset, cheddar. _ particular part of somerset, cheddar, it is so peaceful. i think people _ cheddar, it is so peaceful. i think people should get scooters, get healthy. — people should get scooters, get healthy. the state of them. i feel embarrassed, i look so fit, well and healthy— embarrassed, i look so fit, well and healthy and — embarrassed, i look so fit, well and healthy and i nearly 100. no, embarrassed, i look so fit, well and healthy and i nearly 100.— healthy and i nearly 100. no, you are not nearly _ healthy and i nearly 100. no, you are not nearly 100. _ healthy and i nearly 100. no, you are not nearly 100. i _ healthy and i nearly 100. no, you are not nearly 100. i was - healthy and i nearly 100. no, you are not nearly 100. i was born - healthy and i nearly 100. no, you are not nearly 100. i was born in| are not nearly 100. i was born in 1944, are not nearly 100. i was born in 1944. how _ are not nearly 100. i was born in 1944. how old — are not nearly 100. i was born in 1944, how old am _ are not nearly 100. i was born in 1944, how old am i? _ are not nearly 100. i was born in 1944, how old am i? he - are not nearly 100. i was born in 1944, how old am i? he was - are not nearly 100. i was born in 1944, how old am i? he was 79. j are not nearly 100. i was born in - 1944, how old am i? he was 79. yes, 80, 1944, how old am i? he was 79. yes, 80. getting — 1944, how old am i? he was 79. yes, 80. getting on _ 1944, how old am i? he was 79. yes, 80. getting on a _ 1944, how old am i? he was 79. yes, 80, getting on a date. _ 1944, how old am i? he was 79. yes, 80, getting on a date. what - 1944, how old am i? he was 79. yes, 80, getting on a date. what were - 1944, how old am i? he was 79. yes, | 80, getting on a date. what were you going _ 80, getting on a date. what were you going to _ 80, getting on a date. what were you going to say, love? if 80, getting on a date. what were you going to say. love?— going to say, love? if you can add 20 years. — going to say, love? if you can add 20 years. i'm _ going to say, love? if you can add 20 years. i'm 81- _ going to say, love? if you can add 20 years, i'm 81. you _ going to say, love? if you can add 20 years, i'm 81. you just - going to say, love? if you can add 20 years, i'm 81. you just added i going to say, love? if you can add i 20 years, i'm 81. you just added 20 years, you said you were 100. do you remember the smog in london? i remember the smog in london? i remember the smog in london? i remember it in liverpool when i was very small. — remember it in liverpool when i was very small, before my family left. it very small, before my family left. it was _ very small, before my family left. it was horrendous. did not stop me

going _ it was horrendous. did not stop me going out— it was horrendous. did not stop me going out with my rollerskates and skipping. _ going out with my rollerskates and skipping, but it ruined my health. i'm skipping, but it ruined my health. i'm fit— skipping, but it ruined my health. i'm fit as — skipping, but it ruined my health. i'm fit as a — skipping, but it ruined my health. i'm fit as a fiddle now but i have taken _ i'm fit as a fiddle now but i have taken it— i'm fit as a fiddle now but i have taken it on— i'm fit as a fiddle now but i have taken it on board. having said that, darting. _ taken it on board. having said that, darting. i_ taken it on board. having said that, darting. iam— taken it on board. having said that, darling, i am also organic and vegan — darling, i am also organic and vegan i've _ darling, i am also organic and vegan. i've had to, i have a brood of grandchildren and i want to see them _ of grandchildren and i want to see them grow— of grandchildren and i want to see them grow up. i'm staying alive, and they support — them grow up. i'm staying alive, and they support me on this. they think i'm they support me on this. they think i'm very— they support me on this. they think i'm very eccentric. i've said i'm not. _ i'm very eccentric. i've said i'm not. i_ i'm very eccentric. i've said i'm not. iam— i'm very eccentric. i've said i'm not, iam real. the car i'm very eccentric. i've said i'm not, i am real. the car situation is horrendous — not, i am real. the car situation is horrendous. all those engines. i know— horrendous. all those engines. i know people that can't take a step, i can know people that can't take a step, t can skip. — know people that can't take a step, t can skip. i— know people that can't take a step, i can skip, i canjump, i could run, only— i can skip, i canjump, i could run, only because — i can skip, i canjump, i could run, only because i_ i can skip, i canjump, i could run, only because i look after myself. i don't _ only because i look after myself. i don't buy— only because i look after myself. i don't buy into all the stuff that people — don't buy into all the stuff that people have to turn to our planet to make _ people have to turn to our planet to make money. money has never interested me, really. ifi make money. money has never interested me, really. if i have enough — interested me, really. if i have enough to— interested me, really. if i have enough to eat, and if you are vegan

and that. _ enough to eat, and if you are vegan and that. i— enough to eat, and if you are vegan and that, i eat healthily. are you still? _ and that, i eat healthily. are you still? �* ., ., , ., and that, i eat healthily. are you still? �* ., ., ., , still? i'm going to let you go, but it has been _ still? i'm going to let you go, but it has been a _ still? i'm going to let you go, but it has been a pleasure _ still? i'm going to let you go, but it has been a pleasure and - still? i'm going to let you go, but l it has been a pleasure and privilege here your wisdom. thank you for giving us the benefit. 0k. here your wisdom. thank you for giving us the benefit._ here your wisdom. thank you for giving us the benefit. ok. get all those cars _ giving us the benefit. ok. get all those cars off — giving us the benefit. ok. get all those cars off the _ giving us the benefit. ok. get all those cars off the road, - giving us the benefit. ok. get all those cars off the road, darling. | giving us the benefit. ok. get all| those cars off the road, darling. i really— those cars off the road, darling. i really admire what you are doing. get them — really admire what you are doing. get them off the road, darling. i'm not getting them off the road, i'm not getting them off the road, i'm not on a campaign, i'm delicately balancing a debate. enjoy that air, annie. i know where very well, i love it. where were we? that was fantastic. margaret and barbara, also ellie in barnet, north london, what do you think? i also ellie in barnet, north london, what do you think?— also ellie in barnet, north london, what do you think? i love that lady. wasn't she — what do you think? i love that lady. wasn't she lovely? _ what do you think? i love that lady. wasn't she lovely? i _ what do you think? i love that lady. wasn't she lovely? i live _ what do you think? i love that lady. wasn't she lovely? i live in - what do you think? i love that lady. wasn't she lovely? i live in barnet i wasn't she lovely? i live in barnet and my mp. _ wasn't she lovely? i live in barnet and my mp, theresa _ wasn't she lovely? i live in barnet and my mp, theresa villiers, - wasn't she lovely? i live in barnet and my mp, theresa villiers, is i wasn't she lovely? i live in barnet i and my mp, theresa villiers, is very anti ulez now. she was not always,

she used to be pro, but in 2021 she said it was not enough, but now she is very anti ulez. the air in barnet is very anti ulez. the air in barnet is toxic, where i live it is toxic. i come in and out of central london and it is way worse than in tottenham court road where i was yesterday. we don't have cycle lanes, we don't have school streets, i live between four primary is one secondary at the air is so bad. the reason i'm on this programme is because i saw a video showing the amount of traffic at one secondary school, i sent it to bbc news and i had to call back because it shows you the extent of the car driving in barnet. i'm not anti—car but you need to get the most polluting ones

off the roads. we love it when people do what you did and get in touch with us. i would have thought... i lived in north london for a long time,, you get to places like barnet and touch a rich and there is a lot of laziness. you think it would be clean but you reckon it is grotty? i’m think it would be clean but you reckon it is grotty?— reckon it is grotty? i'm near southgate. _ reckon it is grotty? i'm near southgate, you _ reckon it is grotty? i'm near southgate, you know, - reckon it is grotty? i'm neari southgate, you know, people reckon it is grotty? i'm near - southgate, you know, people drive a lot here. my son is a ten minute walk from school and lots of kids are driven to school, are dropped off. the video i took was shocking, the amount of cars. it was a rainy day, it is always worse on a rainy

day, it is always worse on a rainy day, our kids are not breathing clean air. theresa villiers, my mp, in 2021 said we need to clean up the air, but the government needs to get involved, they need to give people money. edge. it is notjust sadiq khan's problem. —— they need to give people money for the scrappage schemes. n. . people money for the scrappage schemes. . , ., ., people money for the scrappage schemes. . ., ., ~ schemes. margaret, you do not like ulez, lez, clean _ schemes. margaret, you do not like ulez, lez, clean air— schemes. margaret, you do not like ulez, lez, clean air zone. - schemes. margaret, you do not like ulez, lez, clean air zone. you - schemes. margaret, you do not like ulez, lez, clean air zone. you do i ulez, lez, clean air zone. you do not approve, margaret? ulez, lez, clean air zone. you do notapprove, margaret? i ulez, lez, clean air zone. you do not approve, margaret?— ulez, lez, clean air zone. you do not approve, margaret? i don't, and it is not because _ not approve, margaret? i don't, and it is not because i _ not approve, margaret? i don't, and it is not because i don't _ not approve, margaret? i don't, and it is not because i don't think- not approve, margaret? i don't, and it is not because i don't think that i it is not because i don't think that it is not because i don't think that it is not because i don't think that it is a _ it is not because i don't think that it is a good — it is not because i don't think that it is a good thing they are trying to clean— it is a good thing they are trying to clean up the environment, the reason _ to clean up the environment, the reason i — to clean up the environment, the reason i do — to clean up the environment, the reason i do not necessarily agree, every— reason i do not necessarily agree, every single one of the new changes they are _ every single one of the new changes they are bringing in are only being directed _ they are bringing in are only being directed to — they are bringing in are only being directed to the consumer, it is not being _ directed to the consumer, it is not being directed to helping the environment necessarily. you can

still have — environment necessarily. you can still have diesel cars and all of these — still have diesel cars and all of these cars— still have diesel cars and all of these cars that pollute, i don't see how it _ these cars that pollute, i don't see how it is _ these cars that pollute, i don't see how it is meant to be favourable. what _ how it is meant to be favourable. what i _ how it is meant to be favourable. what i think is interesting is that people _ what i think is interesting is that people and families of a middle—class income can't afford the brand-new— middle—class income can't afford the brand—new tesla all electric vehicle. _ brand—new tesla all electric vehicle, they can only afford what they can — vehicle, they can only afford what they can afford, you are also taxing them _ they can afford, you are also taxing them and _ they can afford, you are also taxing them and hiking up prices, they can't _ them and hiking up prices, they can't afford to pay this charge every— can't afford to pay this charge every day. if they live in a ulez area _ every day. if they live in a ulez area they — every day. if they live in a ulez area they do not get any compensation. they might have four or five _ compensation. they might have four or five children and had to pay that every— or five children and had to pay that every day — or five children and had to pay that every day. for them, the car is a luxury. _ every day. for them, the car is a tu>

she said. — i did. i didn't get to hear all what she said, but i think the way they need _ she said, but i think the way they need to— she said, but i think the way they need to go— she said, but i think the way they need to go about the ulez so or what my proposal would be if i was in government would be to make zone one and zone _ government would be to make zone one and zone two— government would be to make zone one and zone two non—core zones, make zones _ and zone two non—core zones, make zones one _ and zone two non—core zones, make zones one and two into a bus, train or cycle _ zones one and two into a bus, train or cycle routes or electric scooters only. _ or cycle routes or electric scooters only. -- _ or cycle routes or electric scooters only. -- to — or cycle routes or electric scooters only, —— to make zone one and two non-car— only, —— to make zone one and two non-car zones~ _ only, —— to make zone one and two non—carzones. get only, —— to make zone one and two non—car zones. get rid of it completely, don't select who and where _ completely, don't select who and where you — completely, don't select who and where you want to pinpoint, it is unfair— where you want to pinpoint, it is unfair and — where you want to pinpoint, it is unfair and unbalanced and does nothing — unfair and unbalanced and does nothing for the consumer. why don't ou stand nothing for the consumer. why don't you stand for — nothing for the consumer. why don't you stand for government? - nothing for the consumer. why don't you stand for government? i - nothing for the consumer. why don't you stand for government? i just - you stand for government? i 'ust think nothing fl you stand for government? i 'ust think nothing that i you stand for government? i 'ust think nothing that they �* you stand for government? i 'ust think nothing that they do, h you stand for government? ljust think nothing that they do, to i you stand for government? ijust think nothing that they do, to be honest. — think nothing that they do, to be honest. is— think nothing that they do, to be honest, is other for the consumer, it is always — honest, is other for the consumer, it is always in _ honest, is other for the consumer, it is always in their own personal interest — it is always in their own personal interest it— it is always in their own personal interest. it does not help the consumer— interest. it does not help the consumer in any way and they have no idea how— consumer in any way and they have no idea how the _ consumer in any way and they have no idea how the average household genuinely lives.—

genuinely lives. detached from reali ? genuinely lives. detached from reality? completely, _ genuinely lives. detached from reality? completely, especially those with _ reality? completely, especially those with low _ reality? completely, especially those with low income. - reality? completely, especially those with low income. in - reality? completely, especially i those with low income. in london, every— those with low income. in london, every single — those with low income. in london, every single family at the moment is struggling, whether rich or poor, everybody — struggling, whether rich or poor, everybody is struggling due to the fact we _ everybody is struggling due to the fact we are going through a financial— fact we are going through a financial crisis. the fact you are still trying _ financial crisis. the fact you are still trying to tax people on a low income _ still trying to tax people on a low income who cannot even afford electricity— income who cannot even afford electricity or whatever, a car is an essential— electricity or whatever, a car is an essential for— electricity or whatever, a car is an essential for them, they had kids, they need — essential for them, they had kids, they need to have this, they can't afford _ they need to have this, they can't afford a _ they need to have this, they can't afford a brand—new mercedes—benz or an electric— afford a brand—new mercedes—benz or an electric vehicle, they can't afford — an electric vehicle, they can't afford it _ an electric vehicle, they can't afford it. what would you do, keep taxing _ afford it. what would you do, keep taxing them? it is ridiculous. barbara _ taxing them? it is ridiculous. barbara in _ taxing them? it is ridiculous. barbara in bradford, great stuff from margaret, barbara in bradford, i want you to listen to this, jim, you know bradford and leeds, drjim mcquaid, you don't like it, barbara?

i think it is badly targeted. i live outside — i think it is badly targeted. i live outside the _ i think it is badly targeted. i live outside the zone _ i think it is badly targeted. i live outside the zone but _ i think it is badly targeted. i live outside the zone but what - i think it is badly targeted. i live outside the zone but what we i i think it is badly targeted. i live i outside the zone but what we have noticed _ outside the zone but what we have noticed in — outside the zone but what we have noticed in the _ outside the zone but what we have noticed in the village _ outside the zone but what we have noticed in the village just - outside the zone but what we have noticed in the village just outside i noticed in the village just outside bradford. — noticed in the village just outside bradford. we _ noticed in the village just outside bradford, we are _ noticed in the village just outside bradford, we are getting - noticed in the village just outside bradford, we are getting a - noticed in the village just outside bradford, we are getting a lot - noticed in the village just outside i bradford, we are getting a lot more traffic— bradford, we are getting a lot more traffic going — bradford, we are getting a lot more traffic going through _ bradford, we are getting a lot more traffic going through to _ bradford, we are getting a lot more traffic going through to avoid - bradford, we are getting a lot more traffic going through to avoid the i traffic going through to avoid the low traffic going through to avoid the tow emission— traffic going through to avoid the low emission zone. _ traffic going through to avoid the low emission zone. everybody. traffic going through to avoid the i low emission zone. everybody can traffic going through to avoid the - low emission zone. everybody can do this very— low emission zone. everybody can do this very easily. _ low emission zone. everybody can do this very easily, you _ low emission zone. everybody can do this very easily, you can _ low emission zone. everybody can do this very easily, you can just - low emission zone. everybody can do this very easily, you can just set - this very easily, you can just set it up— this very easily, you can just set it up on— this very easily, you can just set it up on your— this very easily, you can just set it up on your satnav, _ this very easily, you can just set it up on your satnav, avoid - this very easily, you can just set - it up on your satnav, avoid charges. now to _ it up on your satnav, avoid charges. now to get — it up on your satnav, avoid charges. now to get through _ it up on your satnav, avoid charges. now to get through the _ it up on your satnav, avoid charges. now to get through the traffic - now to get through the traffic lights — now to get through the traffic lights takes _ now to get through the traffic lights takes for— now to get through the traffic lights takes for ever. - now to get through the traffic lights takes for ever. it - now to get through the traffic lights takes for ever. it is - now to get through the traffic| lights takes for ever. it is also silty— lights takes for ever. it is also silty in— lights takes for ever. it is also silty in a — lights takes for ever. it is also silty in a way— lights takes for ever. it is also silly in a way that _ lights takes for ever. it is also silly in a way that we - lights takes for ever. it is also silly in a way that we have - lights takes for ever. it is also silly in a way that we have a i silly in a way that we have a vehicle _ silly in a way that we have a vehicle registered _ silly in a way that we have a vehicle registered in - silly in a way that we have a vehicle registered in halifax silly in a way that we have a - vehicle registered in halifax with a van. occasionally— vehicle registered in halifax with a van. occasionally we _ vehicle registered in halifax with a van. occasionally we need - vehicle registered in halifax with a van. occasionally we need to - vehicle registered in halifax with a van. occasionally we need to go i vehicle registered in halifax with a| van. occasionally we need to go to bradford _ van. occasionally we need to go to bradford and — van. occasionally we need to go to bradford and to _ van. occasionally we need to go to bradford and to take _ van. occasionally we need to go to bradford and to take in _ van. occasionally we need to go to bradford and to take in the - van. occasionally we need to go to bradford and to take in the van - van. occasionally we need to go to bradford and to take in the van we| bradford and to take in the van we need _ bradford and to take in the van we need to— bradford and to take in the van we need to pay— bradford and to take in the van we need to pay the _ bradford and to take in the van we need to pay the charge. _ bradford and to take in the van we need to pay the charge. but- bradford and to take in the van we need to pay the charge. but if- bradford and to take in the van we need to pay the charge. but if wei need to pay the charge. but if we take my— need to pay the charge. but if we take my husband's _ need to pay the charge. but if we take my husband's 28—year—old i need to pay the charge. but if we - take my husband's 28—year—old land roverm _ take my husband's 28—year—old land roverm is _ take my husband's 28-year-old land rover... . . take my husband's 28-year-old land rover... , . .

take my husband's 28-year-old land rover. . ._ -ish. - take my husband's 28-year-old land rover. . ._ -ish. all- rover... is it a classic? -ish. all land rovers _ rover... is it a classic? -ish. all land rovers are _ rover... is it a classic? -ish. all land rovers are classics! - rover... is it a classic? -ish. all land rovers are classics! there i rover... is it a classic? -ish. all. land rovers are classics! there are new ones and _ land rovers are classics! there are new ones and old _ land rovers are classics! there are new ones and old ones. _ land rovers are classics! there are new ones and old ones. year- land rovers are classics! there are new ones and old ones. year old i new ones and old ones. year old vehicle that _ new ones and old ones. year old vehicle that must _ new ones and old ones. year old vehicle that must by _ new ones and old ones. year old vehicle that must by definition i vehicle that must by definition kicked — vehicle that must by definition kicked out— vehicle that must by definition kicked out a _ vehicle that must by definition kicked out a lot _ vehicle that must by definition kicked out a lot more - vehicle that must by definition i kicked out a lot more emissions vehicle that must by definition - kicked out a lot more emissions than a 2015— kicked out a lot more emissions than a 2015 than — kicked out a lot more emissions than a 2015 than just— kicked out a lot more emissions than a 2015 than- - -— a 2015 than... just a quick word from jim mcquaid _ a 2015 than... just a quick word from jim mcquaid on _ a 2015 than... just a quick word from jim mcquaid on this. - a 2015 than... just a quick word from jim mcquaid on this. you | a 2015 than... just a quick word i from jim mcquaid on this. you are fromjim mcquaid on this. you are taking it elsewhere. barbara is in your manor, bradford. this taking it elsewhere. barbara is in your manor, bradford.— taking it elsewhere. barbara is in your manor, bradford. this is one thin that your manor, bradford. this is one thing that councils _ your manor, bradford. this is one thing that councils will _ your manor, bradford. this is one thing that councils will always - your manor, bradford. this is one | thing that councils will always look at, looking at the diversions. we work closely with the council and they've done a lot of work on this and it's not displaced a great deal of traffic. you will always get people who displace and rat runs pop up people who displace and rat runs pop up and things like that. but overall the displacement that has actually happened in the bradford clean—air zone has actually been pretty low. it has been surprisingly low. the

adoption by a lot of the people who have been impacted by it has been very good. there were grants and a lot of the taxis, 95% of the taxis signed up and got grants to upgrade their vehicles. signed up and got grants to upgrade theirvehicles. i signed up and got grants to upgrade their vehicles. i think how it has been taken in bradford has been very positive, in fact.— positive, in fact. good. i know you have to go — positive, in fact. good. i know you have to go but _ positive, in fact. good. i know you have to go but do _ positive, in fact. good. i know you have to go but do you _ positive, in fact. good. i know you have to go but do you have - positive, in fact. good. i know you have to go but do you have been i positive, in fact. good. i know you have to go but do you have been a breath of fresh air. thank you very much indeed, jim, doctorjim mcquaid, air pollution scientist at the university of leeds. keep the calls and text cascading in, it is so interesting in hearing from you. the uk covid inquiry is looking at the preparedness of the welsh government for the pandemic today. it isjust government for the pandemic today. it is just getting under way now

with the first minister mark drakeford giving evidence this afternoon. there is live coverage on the bbc news website throughout the day if you want to follow all the proceedings of that vital inquiry. just to reiterate, first minister mark drakeford will be appearing at the inquiry giving evidence today on the inquiry giving evidence today on the preparedness of the welsh government. ulez, is it for you, government. ulez, is it foryou, more government. ulez, is it for you, more to come. get in touch. here is the news with nick hatfield. figures suggest a typical five—year fixed mortgage deal now has an interest rate of more than 6%. last month, the bank of england raised interest rates to a 15—year high of 5% in an attempt to bring down inflation. the high court is to hear arguments for and against the expansion of london's ultra—low emission zone.

five conservative—led councils are challenging the move by the labour mayor, sadiq khan, who says it's needed to tackle air pollution. bbc research has found that thousands of adverts for rental homes say children or pets are not welcome. there are no specific laws stopping this but mp5 are looking at more protections for renters in england. there's been a large rise in people contacting the dvla who are worried about someone else's fitness to drive. a bbc freedom of information request found there were almost 49,000 concerns raised last year, more than 80% up on 2021. john bennett has the sport now. ten years after winning the championships for the first time, andy murray will begin his 15th wimbledon campaign today against british wildcard ryan peniston. meanwhile last year's women's finalists elena rybakina and 0n5 jabeur are both in first round action. and men's number one carlos alcaraz faces french veteranjeremy chardy. also today, eight—time champion

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texts, some interesting facts as well on the distortion of the car market because of ulez and lez and clean—air zones. analysis of sales data by auto trader revealed that there were only 5150 ulez compliant vehicles under £5,000 available across london. evidence suggests that the costs of second hand ulez compliant cars has risen because demand is increasing. pollution begins at the point of production

and the only solution is to change the economic system which functions for the profits of producers. that's from victor in devon. another one, ulez, i live in devon, oh, and my job involves travelling around the country with tools for work. the village i live in has very little public transport, about one bus a week. having a car is not always a privilege, it's a necessity, says lee. another one, interesting show, can't help but feel lucky to live away from london, many of my friends have moved back up north to cheshire and north wales, you can get london wages working remotely, have lovely homes and big gardens and have a much better quality of life. and you can have a any car you want, from rob near chester. if you want cleaner air, says this one, why not just ban flying? we now have ian in

bedford and tony in essex. hello, ian. ., bedford and tony in essex. hello, ian. :, . , :, bedford and tony in essex. hello, ian. ., . :, bedford and tony in essex. hello, ian. :, . :, i'm bedford and tony in essex. hello, ian-— i'm fine i ian. how are you doing? i'm fine for. , ian. how are you doing? i'm fine for- . tony- _ ian. how are you doing? i'm fine for. , tony. morning. _ ian. how are you doing? i'm fine for. , tony. morning. go - ian. how are you doing? i'm fine for. , tony. morning. go on, - ian. how are you doing? i'm fine | for. , tony. morning. go on, ian. the reason _ for. , tony. morning. go on, ian. the reason i _ for. , tony. morning. go on, ian. the reason i have _ for. , tony. morning. go on, ian. the reason i have run _ for. , tony. morning. go on, ian. the reason i have run up, - for. , tony. morning. go on, ian. the reason i have run up, and ii for. , tony. morning. go on, ian. i the reason i have run up, and i have been here for a while, my mum lives in ruislip and she is blind. my dad is retired. i tried to go through the website to get to the exemption saying, and if you ever try and go through that website, you can't do anything from it. so my mum, who goes to the eye hospital... sorry, i'm not wanting to get emotional. i'm not wanting to get emotional. i'm with you all the way and if you want to take a breather, that's

fine. it is good you are on because it's such an important point. she has to no it's such an important point. she has to go to _ it's such an important point. ’st9 has to go to moorfields it's such an important point. 5t9 has to go to moorfields eye hospital in the middle of london. my dad is retired and he can't afford to go there. i went through all the... i went through all the online government, how to get the exemption and all of that, and doesn't help out at all. i understand what people are saying about, oh, you know, about getting rid of pollution and stuff like that, but it doesn't help my mum and dad out. i can't do... i'm sorry. my mum and dad out. i can't do... i'm sorry-— i'm sorry. absolutely do not apologise- _ i'm sorry. absolutely do not apologise. you _ i'm sorry. absolutely do not apologise. you are - i'm sorry. absolutely do not apologise. you are doing i i'm sorry. absolutely do not i apologise. you are doing ever i'm sorry. absolutely do not - apologise. you are doing ever so well, you are saying it and it is coming across well. i'm just checking it out, certain vehicles

such as taxes, historic vehicles, vehicles with a disabled passenger are not currently required to pay the ulez charge. is that applicable? what happened is, i went on the website and went through all these things, i was taking photos. website and went through all these things, iwas taking photos. my website and went through all these things, i was taking photos. my mum is blind. they said to return it in ten days. my dad is retired and can't afford a new car. how does my mum get to moorfields eye hospital? have you heard anything back from the website after having filled all this stuff in?— this stuff in? no. it's been well over ten days. _ this stuff in? no. it's been well over ten days. i _ this stuff in? no. it's been well over ten days. i can _ this stuff in? no. it's been well over ten days. i can hear - this stuff in? no. it's been well over ten days. i can hear you i this stuff in? no. it's been well. over ten days. i can hear you are this stuff in? no. it's been well - over ten days. i can hear you are at the end of— over ten days. i can hear you are at the end of your _ over ten days. i can hear you are at the end of your tether. _ over ten days. i can hear you are at the end of your tether. can - over ten days. i can hear you are at| the end of your tether. can anybody help out here and give some advice

for ian? can anybody working for tfl get in touch with us and maybe we can help ian. it is heartbreaking. his mum needs to get to hospital. it is heartbreaking. i'll tell you reason why. my old man can't afford to buy a new car. my mum needs to go to buy a new car. my mum needs to go to moorfields eye hospital. and the thing is, ifilled in everything, i sent pictures of her eye thing, the disabled badge and things like that. they don't seem to do anything with them. . : : ~ they don't seem to do anything with them. . . . ,, , they don't seem to do anything with them. . . a , ., them. ian, we will check this out for ou them. ian, we will check this out for you and _ them. ian, we will check this out for you and try — them. ian, we will check this out for you and try to _ them. ian, we will check this out for you and try to help. - them. ian, we will check this out for you and try to help. all - them. ian, we will check this out for you and try to help. all the i for you and try to help. all the best to your mum and dad and thank you very much indeed.— you very much indeed. listen, thank ou ever you very much indeed. listen, thank you ever so — you very much indeed. listen, thank you ever so much, _ you very much indeed. listen, thank you ever so much, mr— you very much indeed. listen, thank you ever so much, mr campbell. - you very much indeed. listen, thank you ever so much, mr campbell. i. you ever so much, mr campbell. i appreciate that. flail you ever so much, mr campbell. i appreciate that.— you ever so much, mr campbell. i appreciate that. call me nicholas. we will get _ appreciate that. call me nicholas. we will get in _ appreciate that. call me nicholas. we will get in touch _ appreciate that. call me nicholas. we will get in touch with - appreciate that. call me nicholas. we will get in touch with you. - appreciate that. call me nicholas. i we will get in touch with you. thank you. there we are. tony in essex and

carl in epsom. carl, a carpet cleaner, how will this affect you? basically, i live outside london. i have _ basically, i live outside london. i have already had to change one van because _ have already had to change one van because they said it would be £100 per day _ because they said it would be £100 per day i_ because they said it would be £100 per day. i got a new fan and now they— per day. i got a new fan and now they have — per day. i got a new fan and now they have changed the goalposts against _ they have changed the goalposts against top if i go through the congestion charge and ulez, that's two separate charges. that's £30, then £30 — two separate charges. that's £30, then £30 feel and £60 parking. that's— then £30 feel and £60 parking. that's over £100 before i have even -ot that's over £100 before i have even got out _ that's over £100 before i have even got out to— that's over £100 before i have even got out to do any work. i used to live in— got out to do any work. i used to live in battersea, rory is already there _ live in battersea, rory is already there in — live in battersea, rory is already there in central london. i am in therein central london. i am in surrey— there in central london. i am in surrey and _ there in central london. i am in surrey and have to work for people like rory — surrey and have to work for people like rory. he could get an electric scooter— like rory. he could get an electric scooter outside his house. how am i supposed _ scooter outside his house. how am i supposed to— scooter outside his house. how am i supposed to get an electric scooter

from surrey, taking all my stuff with a _ from surrey, taking all my stuff with a carpet cleaning machine, it weighs _ with a carpet cleaning machine, it weighs a — with a carpet cleaning machine, it weighs a tonne, i can't take it on the tube — weighs a tonne, i can't take it on the tube. we are mining the world for lithium — the tube. we are mining the world for lithium and cobalt, sending these — for lithium and cobalt, sending these kids, we are destroying the planet— these kids, we are destroying the planet for— these kids, we are destroying the planet for lithium and cobalt. we could _ planet for lithium and cobalt. we could let — planet for lithium and cobalt. we could let our old cars die, they will die — could let our old cars die, they will die anyway and the air is clean — will die anyway and the air is clean. there is an act that you can download — clean. there is an act that you can download that will tell you that the air in london is clean. but in beijing— air in london is clean. but in beijing the air might be read. let these _ beijing the air might be read. let these cars— beijing the air might be read. let these cars die out. we are destroying the planet, we have just stop 0il— destroying the planet, we have just stop 0il standing in the road. we are using — stop 0il standing in the road. we are using diesel vehicles to mine cobalt _ are using diesel vehicles to mine cobalt and — are using diesel vehicles to mine cobalt and lithium, you know what i mean? _ cobalt and lithium, you know what i mean? i_ cobalt and lithium, you know what i mean? i love rory's debate, get on a scooter. _ mean? i love rory's debate, get on a scooter. tony. — mean? i love rory's debate, get on a scooter. tony, from epsom in surrey,

how do— scooter. tony, from epsom in surrey, how do i_ scooter. tony, from epsom in surrey, how do i clean— scooter. tony, from epsom in surrey, how do i clean lords and ladies carpets— how do i clean lords and ladies carpets in— how do i clean lords and ladies carpets in chelsea and kensington on an electric— carpets in chelsea and kensington on an electric scooter? nice carpets in chelsea and kensington on an electric scooter?— an electric scooter? nice carpets. lovely carpets- — an electric scooter? nice carpets. lovely carpets. but _ an electric scooter? nice carpets. lovely carpets. but rory - an electric scooter? nice carpets. lovely carpets. but rory is - an electric scooter? nice carpets. lovely carpets. but rory is living| lovely carpets. but rory is living in a £15— lovely carpets. but rory is living in a £15 million house. go on right move _ in a £15 million house. go on right move and — in a £15 million house. go on right move and check out his house. i'm living _ move and check out his house. i'm living in— move and check out his house. i'm living in a — move and check out his house. i'm living in a little council house, 300.000. _ living in a little council house, 300,000, out in surrey. rory has the money— 300,000, out in surrey. rory has the money to— 300,000, out in surrey. rory has the money to sit— 300,000, out in surrey. rory has the money to sit in london.— money to sit in london. there are economic challenges _ money to sit in london. there are economic challenges in _ money to sit in london. there are economic challenges in battersea| money to sit in london. there are i economic challenges in battersea as well. not everyone... like a lot of london, it is cheek byjowl. what will you do? i london, it is cheek by 'owl. what will you «at will you do? i tried to put this on the customer's _ will you do? i tried to put this on the customer's bill _ will you do? i tried to put this on the customer's bill but _ will you do? i tried to put this on the customer's bill but they - will you do? i tried to put this on the customer's bill but they tell. will you do? i tried to put this on i the customer's bill but they tell me it is too— the customer's bill but they tell me it is too expensive. i think i will have _ it is too expensive. i think i will have to — it is too expensive. i think i will have to give up working in london, the same _ have to give up working in london, the same as— have to give up working in london, the same as all my mates.- the same as all my mates. people livin: in the same as all my mates. people living in chelsea _ the same as all my mates. people living in chelsea and _ the same as all my mates. people living in chelsea and kensington i living in chelsea and kensington can't afford an extra 12.50 on their

bill? it can't afford an extra 12.50 on their bill? ., , �* . ., . bill? it doesn't matter how much money you _ bill? it doesn't matter how much money you have. _ bill? it doesn't matter how much money you have, they _ bill? it doesn't matter how much money you have, they will - bill? it doesn't matter how much money you have, they will still i money you have, they will still challenge the bill. they have got the money, definitely. they don't even _ the money, definitely. they don't even know— the money, definitely. they don't even know what a recession is. i have _ even know what a recession is. i have been— even know what a recession is. i have been through four recessions, i have been through four recessions, i have lost— have been through four recessions, i have lost a _ have been through four recessions, i have lost a house during a recession. they don't know about the recession. _ recession. they don't know about the recession, they don't know prices are going — recession, they don't know prices are going up because their butler goes _ are going up because their butler goes and — are going up because their butler goes and gets them everything. these challenges _ goes and gets them everything. these challenges are not challenges compared to people outside london. what about the debate about mining and all— what about the debate about mining and all these electric cars, car parks — and all these electric cars, car parks that— and all these electric cars, car parks that have collapsed in new york because of the weight, ruining the roads. — york because of the weight, ruining the roads, more weight from tires and the _ the roads, more weight from tires and the brake dust on electric cars and the brake dust on electric cars and the _ and the brake dust on electric cars and the debate about it destroying the planet when making new electric cars and _ the planet when making new electric cars and we — the planet when making new electric cars and we can let old cars die out naturally — cars and we can let old cars die out naturall . . . . cars and we can let old cars die out naturall . , , . ., cars and we can let old cars die out naturall . , , ., . ., cars and we can let old cars die out naturall . , , . . ., . naturally. this is a matter of great frustration for _ naturally. this is a matter of great frustration for people _ naturally. this is a matter of great frustration for people and - naturally. this is a matter of great frustration for people and we - naturally. this is a matter of great frustration for people and we had l naturally. this is a matter of great | frustration for people and we had a great debate on electric cars recently. thank you, carl, all the best to you. let me go to tina...

sorry, tina. tony, you have been waiting a while. i have reversed that decision, i have done a u—turn, if it is still possible. you that decision, i have done a u-turn, if it is still possible.— if it is still possible. you should be a referee. _ if it is still possible. you should be a referee. i _ if it is still possible. you should be a referee. i know. _ if it is still possible. you should be a referee. i know. did - if it is still possible. you should be a referee. i know. did you i if it is still possible. you should | be a referee. i know. did you go if it is still possible. you should i be a referee. i know. did you go to var on that _ be a referee. i know. did you go to var on that one? _ be a referee. i know. did you go to var on that one? yeah, _ be a referee. i know. did you go to var on that one? yeah, i - be a referee. i know. did you go to var on that one? yeah, i have i var on that one? yeah, i have reversed _ var on that one? yeah, i have reversed the — var on that one? yeah, i have reversed the decision. - var on that one? yeah, i have reversed the decision. you i var on that one? yeah, i have reversed the decision. you are| var on that one? yeah, i have i reversed the decision. you are on, tony. and if you swear like the geezer saw yesterday you will get a red card. i’m geezer saw yesterday you will get a red card. �* :, geezer saw yesterday you will get a red card. �* ., . ,., ., geezer saw yesterday you will get a red card. �* ., . ., ., . red card. i'm not about to do that, althou:h red card. i'm not about to do that, although it — red card. i'm not about to do that, although it does _ red card. i'm not about to do that, although it does make _ red card. i'm not about to do that, although it does make you - red card. i'm not about to do that, although it does make you angry. | red card. i'm not about to do that, | although it does make you angry. i just feel that certain sections of this country are being penalised, just like the guyjust now was speaking, about his mum and that. i feel it is all unnecessary. it should be government led, not piecemeal, different towns and cities taking their own, using their own methods. but

cities taking their own, using their own methods-— own methods. but all towns and cities are different _ own methods. but all towns and cities are different and - own methods. but all towns and cities are different and have i cities are different and have different compositions, different characters. , different compositions, different characters-— different compositions, different characters. , ., �*, , characters. exactly, that's why you have peeple _ characters. exactly, that's why you have people coming _ characters. exactly, that's why you have people coming from - characters. exactly, that's why you have people coming from different} have people coming from different parts of the country not prepared for this and they drive into london. if you are a self—employed person like the previous caller, and i was self—employed as a builder, i was travelling from essex into london, and it was the lastjourney i wanted to do. london is not a nice place to go to. people don't drive into london by choice. but you don't have a choice. if you are self—employed you have to go from a to b and the only way to get there quickly enough is by car. you can't carry your tools on public transport. eta? tools on public transport. stay riaht tools on public transport. stay right there. — tools on public transport. stay right there, tina _ tools on public transport. stay right there, tina is _ tools on public transport. stay right there, tina is shouting, saying they do have a choice. goad saying they do have a choice. good morninu. saying they do have a choice. good morning- tony. _ saying they do have a choice. good morning. tony, listen _ saying they do have a choice. good morning. tony, listen to _ saying they do have a choice. good morning. tony, listen to tina - saying they do have a choice. good morning. tony, listen to tina and l morning. tony, listen to tina and then come _ morning. tony, listen to tina and then come back. _ morning. tony, listen to tina and then come back. tina _ morning. tony, listen to tina and then come back. tina is - morning. tony, listen to tina and then come back. tina is saying i morning. tony, listen to tina and l then come back. tina is saying they do have a choice. i’m then come back. tina is saying they do have a choice.—

do have a choice. i'm saying they need to find _ do have a choice. i'm saying they need to find a _ do have a choice. i'm saying they need to find a better _ do have a choice. i'm saying they need to find a better way - do have a choice. i'm saying they need to find a better way to - do have a choice. i'm saying they| need to find a better way to solve the problem. the congestion charge hasn't _ the problem. the congestion charge hasn't made much of a difference. i have _ hasn't made much of a difference. i have severe — hasn't made much of a difference. i have severe asthma. my flat in central — have severe asthma. my flat in central london is near a busy road and my— central london is near a busy road and my asthma is so bad. with the ulez now. — and my asthma is so bad. with the ulez now, i'm thinking, will it make that much_ ulez now, i'm thinking, will it make that much difference?— that much difference? inaudible com riaht that much difference? inaudible com right close _ that much difference? inaudible com right close to _ that much difference? inaudible com right close to the _ that much difference? inaudible com right close to the phone. - that much difference? inaudible| com right close to the phone. you drifted away from me. flan com right close to the phone. you drifted away from me.— com right close to the phone. you drifted away from me. can you hear me? that's — drifted away from me. can you hear me? that's brilliant _ drifted away from me. can you hear me? that's brilliant now. _ me? that's brilliant now. whereabouts _ me? that's brilliant now. whereabouts are - me? that's brilliant now. whereabouts are you? i l me? that's brilliant now. - whereabouts are you? i know me? that's brilliant now. _ whereabouts are you? i know south london. i whereabouts are you? i know south london. ., , ., whereabouts are you? i know south london. ., ., ., , london. i am in south london, 'ust b the london. i am in south london, 'ust by the city. — london. i am in south london, 'ust by the city, south-east * london. i am in south london, just by the city, south-east london. i by the city, south—east london. realty— by the city, south—east london. really busy there, isn't it? by the city, south-east london. really busy there, isn't it? really bus .and really busy there, isn't it? really busy- and my _ really busy there, isn't it? really busy. and my asthma _ really busy there, isn't it? really busy. and my asthma got - really busy there, isn't it? really busy. and my asthma got so i really busy there, isn't it? reallyi busy. and my asthma got so bad. right _ busy. and my asthma got so bad. right now— busy. and my asthma got so bad. right now i— busy. and my asthma got so bad. right now i am paying full rent and

council_ right now i am paying full rent and council tax — right now i am paying full rent and council tax and i can't live in the flat _ council tax and i can't live in the flat local — council tax and i can't live in the flat. local housing have refused to house _ flat. local housing have refused to house anyone. the situation with the housing _ house anyone. the situation with the housing problem. do house anyone. the situation with the housing problem.— housing problem. do you understand wh the housing problem. do you understand why they want _ housing problem. do you understand why they want to _ housing problem. do you understand why they want to do _ housing problem. do you understand why they want to do this? _ housing problem. do you understand why they want to do this? we - housing problem. do you understand why they want to do this? we do i why they want to do this? we do understand. _ why they want to do this? we do understand, but _ why they want to do this? we do understand, but they _ why they want to do this? we do understand, but they are - why they want to do this? we do understand, but they are saying | why they want to do this? we do i understand, but they are saying 5.496 understand, but they are saying 5.4% reduction _ understand, but they are saying 5.4% reduction in _ understand, but they are saying 5.4% reduction in pollution. so is it reatty— reduction in pollution. so is it really that— reduction in pollution. so is it really that much? but some of us, our lungs — really that much? but some of us, our lungs have got so bad. do they need _ our lungs have got so bad. do they need to— our lungs have got so bad. do they need to look for a better solution? people _ need to look for a better solution? people are — need to look for a better solution? people are paying for this and paying — people are paying for this and paying for that. some people can afford _ paying for that. some people can afford it— paying for that. some people can afford it and they won't have it make — afford it and they won't have it make a — afford it and they won't have it make a difference.— make a difference. there is a disproportionate _ make a difference. there is a disproportionate amount i make a difference. there is a disproportionate amount of l make a difference. there is a i disproportionate amount of people make a difference. there is a - disproportionate amount of people in the big cities and in london suffering from asthma. yeah. i don't know, suffering from asthma. yeah. i don't know. they — suffering from asthma. yeah. i don't know. they need _ suffering from asthma. yeah. i don't know, they need to _ suffering from asthma. yeah. i don't know, they need to find _ suffering from asthma. yeah. i don't know, they need to find another- suffering from asthma. yeah. i don't| know, they need to find another way. look at _ know, they need to find another way. look at the _ know, they need to find another way. look at the young child that lost her life —

look at the young child that lost her life. ., , ., ,, look at the young child that lost her life. ., , ., i. ., look at the young child that lost her life. ., , ., ., ., her life. tony, do you want to come back? i didn't _ her life. tony, do you want to come back? i didn't get _ her life. tony, do you want to come back? i didn't get the _ her life. tony, do you want to come back? i didn't get the choices i i back? i didn't get the choices i had. back? i didn't get the choices i head you _ back? i didn't get the choices i had. you lost _ back? i didn't get the choices i had. you lost me _ back? i didn't get the choices i had. you lost me there, i'm i back? i didn't get the choices i i had. you lost me there, i'm sorry. emissions are the problem everywhere. the government needs to get hold of this to have a five, seven year plan to reduce emissions, be it through controls over manufacturing vehicles. and oil is the biggest problem, but they won't do anything to slow down oil production because government ministers are being paid by oil companies. so they will not rush into... ., ~', ,., companies. so they will not rush into... ., ,., ., into... there are links with some of them to fossil _ into... there are links with some of them to fossil fuels. _ into... there are links with some of them to fossil fuels. we _ into... there are links with some of them to fossil fuels. we are - into... there are links with some of them to fossil fuels. we are buying | them to fossil fuels. we are buying etrol and them to fossil fuels. we are buying petrol and diesel _ them to fossil fuels. we are buying petrol and diesel but _ them to fossil fuels. we are buying petrol and diesel but the _ them to fossil fuels. we are buying petrol and diesel but the tax i them to fossil fuels. we are buying petrol and diesel but the tax on i petrol and diesel but the tax on petrol and diesel but the tax on petrol and diesel is so high the government doesn't want to lose that. they are not rushing to reduce emissions because they want to maintain the income from oil and

petrol. maintain the income from oil and etrol. �* , ., . ., petrol. and there is an election cominu. petrol. and there is an election coming. there _ petrol. and there is an election coming. there is _ petrol. and there is an election coming. there is absolutely i petrol. and there is an election coming. there is absolutely no | petrol. and there is an election i coming. there is absolutely no plan from government _ coming. there is absolutely no plan from government to _ coming. there is absolutely no plan from government to address - coming. there is absolutely no plan from government to address the i from government to address the problem at all. so what you've got is cities like london trying to address it themselves because there is a lack of leadership from government.— is a lack of leadership from covernment. �* ., government. andrew in salford, what's the _ government. andrew in salford, what's the plan? _ government. andrew in salford, what's the plan? do _ government. andrew in salford, what's the plan? do they - government. andrew in salford, what's the plan? do they have l government. andrew in salford, i what's the plan? do they have one? exactly, they don't.— exactly, they don't. andrew in salford, you — exactly, they don't. andrew in salford, you have _ exactly, they don't. andrew in salford, you have heard i exactly, they don't. andrew in salford, you have heard tina, | exactly, they don't. andrew in i salford, you have heard tina, tony, carl, and ian, that is heartbreaking and we are looking into that situation. andrew, what do you think about this? manchester are reviewing the situation and possibly will bring it in. i the situation and possibly will bring it in-_ the situation and possibly will brina it in. ., , ., bring it in. i have listened to most ofthe bring it in. i have listened to most of the callers _ bring it in. i have listened to most of the callers this _ bring it in. i have listened to most of the callers this morning - bring it in. i have listened to most of the callers this morning and i bring it in. i have listened to most of the callers this morning and it | of the callers this morning and it is obviously _ of the callers this morning and it is obviously an _ of the callers this morning and it is obviously an important - of the callers this morning and it is obviously an important thing l of the callers this morning and it. is obviously an important thing that we stop— is obviously an important thing that we stop the — is obviously an important thing that we stop the pollution _ is obviously an important thing that we stop the pollution and _ is obviously an important thing that we stop the pollution and help i we stop the pollution and help people's— we stop the pollution and help people's health, _ we stop the pollution and help people's health, especially- we stop the pollution and help i people's health, especially children and their— people's health, especially children and their lungs _ people's health, especially children and their lungs. we _ people's health, especially children and their lungs. we have _ people's health, especially children and their lungs. we have got- people's health, especially children and their lungs. we have got to i people's health, especially children and their lungs. we have got to do| and their lungs. we have got to do something — and their lungs. we have got to do something long _

and their lungs. we have got to do something long term. _ and their lungs. we have got to do something long term. the - and their lungs. we have got to do something long term. the only. something long term. the only solution — something long term. the only solution to— something long term. the only solution to it _ something long term. the only solution to it is _ something long term. the only solution to it is to _ something long term. the only solution to it is to stop - something long term. the only solution to it is to stop cars i something long term. the onlyl solution to it is to stop cars and vehicles — solution to it is to stop cars and vehicles polluting _ solution to it is to stop cars and vehicles polluting the _ solution to it is to stop cars and vehicles polluting the air. - solution to it is to stop cars and vehicles polluting the air. my i vehicles polluting the air. my suggestion— vehicles polluting the air. my suggestion is, _ vehicles polluting the air. my suggestion is, there's - vehicles polluting the air. my i suggestion is, there's obviously a financial— suggestion is, there's obviously a financial impact— suggestion is, there's obviously a financial impact on _ suggestion is, there's obviously a financial impact on various - financial impact on various different— financial impact on various different people, - financial impact on various different people, why- financial impact on various different people, why they financial impact on various i different people, why they can't afford _ different people, why they can't afford it. — different people, why they can't afford it, they— different people, why they can't afford it, they say _ different people, why they can't afford it, they say they- different people, why they can't afford it, they say they can't i afford it, they say they can't afford — afford it, they say they can't afford it. _ afford it, they say they can't afford it, could _ afford it, they say they can't afford it, could you - afford it, they say they can't afford it, could you move i afford it, they say they can't afford it, could you move to| afford it, they say they can't - afford it, could you move to public transport — afford it, could you move to public transport and _ afford it, could you move to public transport and this, _ afford it, could you move to public transport and this, that _ afford it, could you move to public transport and this, that and - afford it, could you move to public transport and this, that and the i transport and this, that and the other — transport and this, that and the other my— transport and this, that and the other. my compromise, - transport and this, that and the other. my compromise, would i transport and this, that and the i other. my compromise, would there transport and this, that and the - other. my compromise, would there be a solution _ other. my compromise, would there be a solution by— other. my compromise, would there be a solution by bringing _ other. my compromise, would there be a solution by bringing the _ other. my compromise, would there be a solution by bringing the charge - a solution by bringing the charge down, _ a solution by bringing the charge down, the — a solution by bringing the charge down, the daily— a solution by bringing the charge down, the daily charge _ a solution by bringing the charge down, the daily charge down, i a solution by bringing the charge down, the daily charge down, to| a solution by bringing the charge. down, the daily charge down, to a more _ down, the daily charge down, to a more easy— down, the daily charge down, to a more easy option _ down, the daily charge down, to a more easy option for _ down, the daily charge down, to a more easy option for people - down, the daily charge down, to a more easy option for people so i down, the daily charge down, to a l more easy option for people so they can gradually— more easy option for people so they can gradually get _ more easy option for people so they can gradually get used _ more easy option for people so they can gradually get used to _ more easy option for people so they can gradually get used to paying i more easy option for people so they can gradually get used to paying it l can gradually get used to paying it whilst _ can gradually get used to paying it whilst they— can gradually get used to paying it whilst they transfer— can gradually get used to paying it whilst they transfer to _ can gradually get used to paying it whilst they transfer to vehicles? . whilst they transfer to vehicles? taper— whilst they transfer to vehicles? taper it— whilst they transfer to vehicles? taper it in? _ whilst they transfer to vehicles? taper it in? absolutely- whilst they transfer to vehicles? taper it in? absolutely right. i whilst they transfer to vehicles? taper it in? absolutely right. a. whilst they transfer to vehicles? . taper it in? absolutely right. a lot of people, when they heard living in the south—east of england, around london or in there, 12.50, that is quite a whack. london or in there, 12.50, that is quite a whack-—

london or in there, 12.50, that is quite a whack. that is a 'ump, is a dail quite a whack. that is a 'ump, is a dairy charge * quite a whack. that is a 'ump, is a daily charge that i quite a whack. that is a 'ump, is a daily charge that is i quite a whack. that is a 'ump, is a daily charge that is a i quite a whack. that is a jump, is a daily charge that is a big - quite a whack. that is a jump, is a daily charge that is a big daily i daily charge that is a big daily charge~ — daily charge that is a big daily charge~ you _ daily charge that is a big daily charge. you obviously- daily charge that is a big daily charge. you obviously have i daily charge that is a big daily- charge. you obviously have people on saving _ charge. you obviously have people on saving it _ charge. you obviously have people on saving it will — charge. you obviously have people on saying it will increase _ charge. you obviously have people on saying it will increase their _ charge. you obviously have people on saying it will increase their weekly - saying it will increase their weekly budget _ saying it will increase their weekly budget you — saying it will increase their weekly budget. you have _ saying it will increase their weekly budget. you have had _ saying it will increase their weekly budget. you have had people - saying it will increase their weekly i budget. you have had people saying, you are _ budget. you have had people saying, you are lucky — budget. you have had people saying, you are lucky to — budget. you have had people saying, you are lucky to have _ budget. you have had people saying, you are lucky to have a _ budget. you have had people saying, you are lucky to have a vehicle. - budget. you have had people saying, you are lucky to have a vehicle. but i you are lucky to have a vehicle. but we do _ you are lucky to have a vehicle. but we do understand, _ you are lucky to have a vehicle. but we do understand, you _ you are lucky to have a vehicle. but we do understand, you have - you are lucky to have a vehicle. but we do understand, you have to - you are lucky to have a vehicle. butl we do understand, you have to have some _ we do understand, you have to have some compromiso _ we do understand, you have to have some compromise. people - we do understand, you have to have some compromise. people need - some compromise. people need vehicles — some compromise. people need vehicles to— some compromise. people need vehicles to move _ some compromise. people need vehicles to move kids _ some compromise. people need vehicles to move kids about. - some compromise. people need vehicles to move kids about. it's not so _ vehicles to move kids about. it's not so easy— vehicles to move kids about. it's not so easy all— vehicles to move kids about. it's not so easy all the _ vehicles to move kids about. it's not so easy all the time - vehicles to move kids about. it's not so easy all the time just - vehicles to move kids about. it's not so easy all the time just to l not so easy all the time just to say, _ not so easy all the time just to say, jump— not so easy all the time just to say. jump on— not so easy all the time just to say. jump on a _ not so easy all the time just to say, jump on a tube _ not so easy all the time just to say, jump on a tube or- not so easy all the time just to say, jump on a tube or a - not so easy all the time just to say, jump on a tube or a train. not so easy all the time just to. say, jump on a tube or a train. i know— say, jump on a tube or a train. i know in— say, jump on a tube or a train. i know in london, _ say, jump on a tube or a train. i know in london, i— say, jump on a tube or a train. i know in london, i have - say, jump on a tube or a train. i know in london, i have been . say, jump on a tube or a train. i know in london, i have been to| know in london, i have been to london — know in london, i have been to london lots _ know in london, i have been to london lots of _ know in london, i have been to london lots of times, - know in london, i have been to london lots of times, how - know in london, i have been to london lots of times, how easy know in london, i have been to. london lots of times, how easy it is. london lots of times, how easy it is you _ london lots of times, how easy it is you get— london lots of times, how easy it is you get off— london lots of times, how easy it is. you get off the _ london lots of times, how easy it is. you get off the train _ london lots of times, how easy it is. you get off the train at - london lots of times, how easy it is. you get off the train at euston station, _ is. you get off the train at euston station, you — is. you get off the train at euston station, you can _ is. you get off the train at euston station, you canjump_ is. you get off the train at euston station, you canjump on- is. you get off the train at euston station, you canjump on the - is. you get off the train at euston| station, you canjump on the tube is. you get off the train at euston. station, you canjump on the tube or -et station, you canjump on the tube or get a _ station, you canjump on the tube or get a lous— station, you canjump on the tube or get a bus lyul— station, you canjump on the tube or get a bus but it's _ station, you canjump on the tube or get a bus but it's not _ station, you canjump on the tube or get a bus but it's not the _ station, you canjump on the tube or get a bus but it's not the same - station, you canjump on the tube or get a bus but it's not the same in . get a bus but it's not the same in places— get a bus but it's not the same in places like — get a bus but it's not the same in places like manchester. - get a bus but it's not the same in places like manchester. getting i get a bus but it's not the same in . places like manchester. getting out of manchester. _ places like manchester. getting out of manchester, getting _ places like manchester. getting out of manchester, getting on - places like manchester. getting out of manchester, getting on a - places like manchester. getting out of manchester, getting on a bus - places like manchester. getting outi of manchester, getting on a bus and stuff like _ of manchester, getting on a bus and stuff like that. — of manchester, getting on a bus and stuff like that. out _ of manchester, getting on a bus and stuff like that.— stuff like that. out with the tram s stem, stuff like that. out with the tram system, absolutely. _ stuff like that. out with the tram system, absolutely. just - stuff like that. out with the tram system, absolutely. just to - stuff like that. out with the tram l system, absolutely. just to remind you, greater manchester is under

review so they will get a clean air but they don't yet know about the classes. rob in cheddar. we had a lovely lady from cheddar earlier as well, in somerset. give us your situation, rob.— well, in somerset. give us your situation, rob. ., , situation, rob. good morning. i used to be self-employed, _ situation, rob. good morning. i used to be self-employed, stripping - to be self—employed, stripping floors and various woodworkjobs in houses, mainly in bath and bristol. i ceased trading basically because of the zones that have been brought in because it is another tax. when you are trying to run a business. we've had so many years of austerity, two years of covid, inflation seems to be running away. and that's not including that lunatic in russia who has probably just started world war iii. it's not as if people haven't got enough expenses as it is and they are loading another tax basically young people with vehicles. i used to

drive a van, which is legal, using fuel which is legal and heavily taxed. someone also mentioned about charging people per mile to drive, you always pay by mile to drive, it is burning fuel. the more fuel you burn, the more tax you pay. for me, sadiq khan and the other borough cis in various places who are operating in various places who are operating in their various zones, i have clients in bath and bristol who have cancelled their contracts, so if you need an emergency, it will cost you an arm and a leg. i live in cheddar and ourlocal an arm and a leg. i live in cheddar and our local council which has presided over the demise of the bus service close to weston—super—mare. if you can get to weston—super—mare then you can get trains to bristol and bath, kids can get to schools and bath, kids can get to schools and colleges but we don't have the bus service between cheddar and

weston—super—mare any more. but going into bristol or any other way, by car, whether it's an old one or an old van com you get charged and it's another tax. the people bringing the same, it's a complete lack of brains. there was an idea in germany, berlin, ithink lack of brains. there was an idea in germany, berlin, i think it was, because they had a heavy pollution problem, they let all the even number plates driving on a monday and wednesday... i number plates driving on a monday and wednesday. . ._ number plates driving on a monday and wednesday... i remember that one. and wednesday... i remember that one- annie — and wednesday... i remember that one. annie was _ and wednesday... i remember that one. annie was in _ and wednesday. .. i remember that one. annie was in cheddar- and wednesday... i remember that one. annie was in cheddar and - and wednesday... i remember that | one. annie was in cheddar and there was rob in cheddar. we can go to reading now. ravi, what do you think? �* ., y reading now. ravi, what do you think? �* ., , , think? i'm not very pleased with this. it is think? i'm not very pleased with this- it is a _ think? i'm not very pleased with this. it is a very _ think? i'm not very pleased with this. it is a very high _ think? i'm not very pleased with this. it is a very high charge. - think? i'm not very pleased with this. it is a very high charge. a i this. it is a very high charge. a lot of— this. it is a very high charge. a lot of money all of a sudden. my mum is in a _ lot of money all of a sudden. my mum is in a care _ lot of money all of a sudden. my mum is in a care home. i live in reading and it— is in a care home. i live in reading and it is— is in a care home. i live in reading

and it is really difficult to travel and it is really difficult to travel and then— and it is really difficult to travel and then pay another extra 12.50 every— and then pay another extra 12.50 every time — and then pay another extra 12.50 every time i visit her, and i try to visit _ every time i visit her, and i try to visit twice — every time i visit her, and i try to visit twice a — every time i visit her, and i try to visit twice a week which means £25, plus the _ visit twice a week which means £25, plus the petrol. it is not cheap any more _ plus the petrol. it is not cheap any more it_ plus the petrol. it is not cheap any more it is— plus the petrol. it is not cheap any more. it is really sad if i can't meet — more. it is really sad if i can't meet nw— more. it is really sad if i can't meet my mum and go maybe once a month _ meet my mum and go maybe once a month. because i'm retired and can't afford _ month. because i'm retired and can't afford to— month. because i'm retired and can't afford to change my car. it's not very— afford to change my car. it's not very old. — afford to change my car. it's not very old. 14 _ afford to change my car. it's not very old, 14 years old. but they don't _ very old, 14 years old. but they don't comply with ulez. so it is very— don't comply with ulez. so it is very difficult. disproportionately more peeple _ very difficult. disproportionately more people who _ very difficult. disproportionately more people who have - very difficult. disproportionately more people who have less - very difficult. disproportionately i more people who have less money very difficult. disproportionately - more people who have less money will have more of these cars, older cars. more people who have less money will have more of these cars, older that's right. i know my problem more people who have less money will have more c ithese cars, older might— that's right. i know my problem more people who have less money will might seem quite trivial compared to have lseem ithese cars, older more people who have less money will have [seem quite e cars, older more people who have less money will have [seem quite e cars compared to othersm _ might seem quite trivial compared to might seem quite trivial compared to others... it�*s— might seem quite trivial compared to others... 3 .. might seem quite trivial compared to others... �*, ., �*, . others... it's not, it's about seeinu others... it's not, it's about seeing your— others... it's not, it's about seeing your mum. - others... it's not, it's about seeing your mum. that - others... it's not, it's about seeing your mum. that is i others... it's not, it's about i seeing your mum. that is very important _ seeing your mum. that is very important. now _ seeing your mum. that is very important. now is _ seeing your mum. that is very

important. now is the - seeing your mum. that is very important. now is the time i seeing your mum. that is very| important. now is the time she seeing your mum. that is very - important. now is the time she needs us. important. now is the time she needs us she _ important. now is the time she needs us she has _ important. now is the time she needs us. she has done a lot for us and now— us. she has done a lot for us and now she — us. she has done a lot for us and now she is — othersm _ us. she has done a lot for us and now she is in _ us. she has done a lot for us and now she is in a home she needs to see us _ now she is in a home she needs to see us if— now she is in a home she needs to see us if i— now she is in a home she needs to see us. if i don't see her at least twice _ see us. if i don't see her at least twice a _ see us. if i don't see her at least twice a week, if i miss one because of any— twice a week, if i miss one because of any reason, i get a call, are you going _ of any reason, i get a call, are you going to _ of any reason, i get a call, are you going to come in today? it breaks my heart _ going to come in today? it breaks my day. money heart to— going to come in today? it breaks my heart to have to say, no, i can't. and _ heart to have to say, no, i can't. and if— heart to have to say, no, i can't. and if i_ heart to have to say, no, i can't. and if i have _ heart to have to say, no, i can't. and if i have to say i can't because i and if i have to say i can't because i can't _ and if i have to say i can't because i can't afford — and if i have to say i can't because i can't afford it, that would be really— i can't afford it, that would be really sad _ i can't afford it, that would be really sad. i am glad i have had the chance _ really sad. i am glad i have had the chance to _ really sad. i am glad i have had the chance to say this because i have been _ chance to say this because i have been sinking in my mind, how do i -et been sinking in my mind, how do i get through— been sinking in my mind, how do i get through my point for somebody to hear it? _ get through my point for somebody to hear it? i_ get through my point for somebody to hear it? i think lots of people like me nrust— hear it? i think lots of people like me must feel like this.— me must feel like this. that's exactly what _ me must feel like this. that's exactly what we _ me must feel like this. that's exactly what we are - me must feel like this. that's exactly what we are here - me must feel like this. that's exactly what we are here for. | me must feel like this. that's - exactly what we are here for. i'm pleased we could hear from you and get you on the radio to make your point. thank you, ravi, and thank you everybody who has called in this morning. what an issue it is and i

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