pressure moving in from to this low pressure moving in from the atlantic, but higher pressure is sitting down across the continent and that is keeping things largely try and settle for southern and eastern areas. overnight clear skies for parts of eastern scotland, eastern and southern england, and it is here that temperatures will fall down into single figures. but remaining in double figures for the west where we have got more clout and a few showers around in the north—west. that is the story through the day tomorrow. a few showers and cumulus cloud bubbling up showers and cumulus cloud bubbling up over england and wales and scotland, but in northern ireland we see the more persistent rain with gusts of wind at a0 miles an hour. temperatures generally mid to high teens, 22 degrees further south. but thenit teens, 22 degrees further south. but then it all changes as we head through into friday because as this area of low pressure drifts northwards, that opens the door for this warm, southerly air to bring

heat and humidity. friday is quite a hot day in england and wales. some showers stall for scotland and northern ireland, but temperatures reaching 28 degrees in the south. if you are heading to wimbledon it should be dry for the next couple of days, but potentially thundery showers on the way into the weekend. thanks, sarah. that's all from bbc news at ten in edinburgh. stay with us on bbc one for the news in all the nations and regions, but we leave you with some of the memorable images and sounds of today's royal events in the capital of scotland. good night. pipe band music plays. there are big names in westminster, and a new kind of feel impressed or in awe, it is hard to know how to

whitening captions will resume shortly. ——subtitles will resume shortly. he kept saying, come and sit on my lap, and i said, iam he kept saying, come and sit on my lap, and i said, i am fine, he kept saying, come and sit on my lap, and i said, iam fine, i don't want to, and he was so persistent, i thought, i'mjust want to, and he was so persistent, i thought, i'm just going to do it, because you are clearly not getting that i don't want to sit on your lap, and it is quite weird to ask. so why does a new complaints procedure at westminister appear not to be a deterrent? we'll bejoined by the labour mp stella creasey, liberal democrat mp wendy chamberlain, and dave penman from the civil servants' union. also tonight, the tv presenter fiona phillips has revealed that, at 62, she has

early—onset alzheimer's. how do families cope with such a young diagnosis? we ask the son of the former radio a favourite susan rae, who revealed her alzheimer's diagnosis this year, and mariel, whose father was diagnosed at the age of 52. and with a week to go to the nato summit, the polish foreign minister tells us about the delicate dance of bringing ukraine into the alliance. the problem is to what extent you can bring ukraine closer in the institutional way, without membership as such. good evening. an exclusive investigation by newsnight into predatory culture in the house of commons has heard from six members of staff who told us that sexual misconduct and inappropriate behaviour is still prevelant, and that abuses

of power by male mps and senior staffers remain common, despite a new complaints process, which is itself, they say, too slow. one of the six, ellie varley, who works as a parliamentary aide to the tory mp dehenna davison, described persisent predatory behaviour which, she said, transcends party politics. here's sima. the house of commons is the heart of democracy. it's where laws are made and publicly elected officials represent their constituents and should therefore uphold the highest standards of behaviour. but now more allegations of inappropriate behaviour have called into question the morals and ethics of some of them. we've heard from half a dozen people at the heart of the commons, working alongside some of the most important figures in politics. their alarming allegations of sexual misconduct span over the last two years. this is a problem that transcends party politics. it transcends your position of power.

it transcends your gender. this is something that everyone will have a story of. every staffer will know someone who has experienced this. and that's thousands of people, thousands of people are employed in the palace, and everyone will have some sort of story about something that's happened. it's a weird parallel universe here. there are posters everywhere saying what is not appropriate behaviour, where senior management and party leaders talk about all the so—called great work that's been done to improve conditions and to root out bad behavior. and yet anyone who's worked here for more than five minutes knows that it's all a load of rubbish. claims of sexual misconduct are nothing new here. old hands have stories going back decades. but since the me too movement and the strive for greater workplace equality, the house of commons seems to be a stubborn outlier. for a place that should be setting an example, these claims are deeply disturbing — and are apparently continuing at an alarming rate.

it's not easy for people to talk about this, so much of what you hear in this report has been voiced by actors. but one parliamentary aide has said she's so upset by the culture in the commons that she's taken the rare step of going on the record to talk about her experiences. she started off by telling us an mp had asked her to sit on his lap. hejust kept saying, "oh, just come and sit on my lap." and i was like, "oh, i'm fine, thank you, i don't want to sit on your lap, i'm quite happy standing." and he was just so persistent that i thought, "i'm just going to sit on your lap because you're clearly not getting that i don't want to sit on your lap and it's quite weird to ask." so i sat in his lap for what was probably a minute and then was like, "right, nice to see you, i'm off." you just brush it off. it becomes part of... i don't want to say everyday life, but itjust becomes part of what comes with the job. and why did you sit on his lap?

i mean, explain that process to me. why did you feel that you had to do that? because ijust couldn't get him off my case. and when you're a staffer, there is this excitement that you're there amongst people who are known, whether it's a journalist or anyone else. there are big names in westminster, and you kind of feel... ..not intimidated by them, but sort of impressed or in awe, and for someone who is known or respected, whatever the opinions are in westminster, it's hard to know how to say no without kind of checking that i'm just a staffer and this person's an mp. the mp is one of a number of mps to have been suspended over separate allegations. in 2018, parliament set up the independent complaints and grievance scheme, or the icgs, to investigate complaints about inappropriate behaviour such as bullying, harassment or sexual misconduct,

and provide advice to complainants. in the bars, you'd see male mps all over staffers, in their physical space, buying them drinks, and actually behaving in a pretty disgusting state, touching bums and putting their hands all over their lower backs and bums. you'd see male mps ogle female staffers and comment to them about how they looked in an overly flirty sense, or they'd talk amongst each other about who was fit or not, and talk about the size and shape of colleagues' breasts, sometimes in front of them. it would slide from being overly flirtatious to being grossly explicit. complaints are investigated by independent investigators commissioned by the icgs on a case—by—case basis. there's a hotline too, manned by the charity victim support, aimed at showing a commitment to clamping down on this sort of behaviour. but i'm told there is little faith in this scheme. there is an independent

process in place, the icgs. why have you not spoken to them before? it takes a long time, and it can quite wear you down, having to talk over and over again, give your evidence, provide witnesses, to something that is deeply personal and very sensitive. and so often you can think, "is it worth taking 15 months to raise a complaint about something that to me was just a minute of my life?" not really. the same things still go as before me too. women and young men still need to protect themselves and each other, but now there's a false front used for it all to go on behind closed doors. the false front of "processes in place", when so many of us know the processes are useless. i mean, just ask anyone who's tried to use them. the annual icgs report states that, of the 21 completed investigations it carried out, 12 were cases where an mp was a respondent. these cases, it states, took an average time of 262 days.

this compares with cases involving house staff, which took an average of 186 days, and mps' staff cases, which took an average of 133 days. the icgs says it's hired more staff to try and bring down the time it takes to deal with cases and that the target to reduce the time must be balanced against the paramount requirement to ensure that investigations are rigorous and robust. it said it is the first scheme of its kind in any parliament around the world, enabling unacceptable behaviour to be identified and appropriately dealt with. since 2021, it said, an independent panel has upheld complaints against ten mps or former mps, in addition to complaints upheld against others in the parliamentary community. in recent months, several mps

have faced alarming allegations, including serious sexual assault. those accused have strongly denied the allegations against them. but what these claims have done is raise more questions about westminster�*s culture, how people are treated, and whether a power dynamic is at play, with those more senior using their roles to exert control and influence over younger staff. i wouldn't recommend it as a safe place for any young men or women. interesting, yes, but not a healthy place, especially to work for an mp directly. if a young person i knew really, really wanted to work at the house of commons, it would come with a whole list of warnings about how to stay safe. who not to hang with, where not to go. even now, i feel a duty to keep an eye on new—starter colleagues. stay with them in a bar if i see that they could be vulnerable or attracting unwanted attention. i wouldn't recommend it to a fresh and enthusiastic 18—year—old or an intern. this place is toxic, between sexual harassment and bullying, and the place is a fortress

and creates a mentality that there's an inside and an outside thatjust becomes a self—fulfilling prophecy. we can't mention some of the other allegations that we've been told about, because people making the claims fear that that will identify them. but they include inappropriate touching which they say left them feeling embarrassed and powerless. most of those we've spoken to have also said that they feel people in positions of authority are turning a blind eye to some of this inappropriate behaviour. i regularly saw this, where they'd see it going on and pretend they hadn't. they do it for their own sake, an easy life, orjust because they want to use it against the other person. in my eyes, this is where the problem lies, because those who make an impact aren't speaking out. these historic buildings tower over us, but they cast a long shadow of shame on those who may have used their powerful positions to take advantage of much younger, junior people.

the victims we've spoken to agreed that the shadow needs to be lifted if the commons is to win back trust and credibility. tell me why you've chosen to speak today. it comes down to just frustration, helplessness, and kind of disappointment that there are few individuals across parliament doing this that leave me and my colleagues feeling so helpless. and i'm franklyjust angry, i'm really angry that this can go from something as small as a misunderstanding to an illegal act. and people in the palace do not feel safe to report it, they don't have the trust in the system, and i'm just fed up. and sima is here now. you have been working this for a

while. . , you have been working this for a while. .,, ,, you have been working this for a while. .,, i. . ~ you have been working this for a while. .,, ,, . ~ ., you have been working this for a while. ., ::'j~ while. cast your mind back to 2018, if ou while. cast your mind back to 2018, if you can. — while. cast your mind back to 2018, if you can, newsnight _ while. cast your mind back to 2018, if you can, newsnight did _ while. cast your mind back to 2018, if you can, newsnight did an - if you can, newsnight did an investigation then about the climate investigation then about the climate in the house of commons, we thought we would revisit it after lots of allegations swirling around, and what is really striking is that since this report aired this morning, i have heard from several other people claiming that they too have been harassed in the house of commons. what has been frustrating todayis commons. what has been frustrating today is trying to get an mp to come on and talk about this issue. we have been bashing on the phone is four days, trying to reach out to mps from all sides, asking them to discuss this, and everybody has been saying no, apart from one person who we will be hearing from shortly. one tory mp sent me the following message when i asked why mps were staying silent, i think we can see the message, it said, i can'tjoin you...

so some really strong words there, and today in relation to our report, we also heard from a spokesperson for the prime minister, rishi sunak, and they said parliament has a long way to go and a lot of work to do to ensure that these instances are not taking place. so there is an acknowledgement that there is a problem and more to do, and we heard that from the house of commons too. we do have two in peace with us. —— two mps with us. i'm joined now by the labour mp stella creasy, wendy chamberlain, the liberal democrats chief whip, and dave penman, general secretary of the fda, the civil servants' union. good evening, all of you. stella creasy, were you shocked or

surprised by anything in this report? i surprised by anything in this re ort? , . ., surprised by anything in this reort? , report? i wish i could say i was. frankl , report? i wish i could say i was. frankly. i _ report? i wish i could say i was. frankly, ithink— report? i wish i could say i was. frankly, i think some _ report? i wish i could say i was. frankly, i think some of - report? i wish i could say i was. frankly, i think some of the - frankly, i think some of the incidents were pretty mild compared to things that we are being told about, things that they are trying to tackle. hat about, things that they are trying to tackle. ., ., , ., , to tackle. not mild for the people involved. to tackle. not mild for the people involved- i _ to tackle. not mild for the people involved. ijust _ to tackle. not mild for the people involved. ijust mean _ to tackle. not mild for the people involved. ijust mean in _ to tackle. not mild for the people involved. ijust mean in terms - to tackle. not mild for the people involved. ijust mean in terms ofl to tackle. not mild for the people j involved. ijust mean in terms of i involved. i 'ust mean in terms of i have involved. ijust mean in terms of i have heard _ involved. ijust mean in terms of i have heard of _ involved. ijust mean in terms of i have heard of some _ involved. ijust mean in terms of i have heard of some horrific - involved. ijust mean in terms of i - have heard of some horrific examples within parliament, within political parties, this cuts across all political parties, and a common theme of frustration that these incidents are not being followed up, that investigations are taking too long, and frankly people are being protected, and that senior people in political parties are protecting others, at best because they do not understand what has happened, at worst because they feel they ought to. in 2018, many people across political parties tried to bring forward these processes and cut through the noise that's about the place that makes the low unemployment is low couldn't follow it itself. 2023, we still have not

made the progress we want to, and thatis made the progress we want to, and that is really frustrating, as much as we recognise that the icgs have started to look at this, we have got to do better. i5 started to look at this, we have got to do better-— to do better. is it the case that the two things _ to do better. is it the case that the two things in _ to do better. is it the case that the two things in isolation, - to do better. is it the case that the two things in isolation, an | the two things in isolation, an independent committee and whatever is going on in the parliamentary estate among mps and indeed the whips, and i wonder, what is the background to this? is it a sense of entitlement that cuts through everything, or is it the fact that there isn't actually any hr to help people? what we have heard from this evening and the _ what we have heard from this evening and the other stories, it is about poweh _ and the other stories, it is about ower. �* ., , and the other stories, it is about ower. ~ ., and the other stories, it is about ower.~ ., and the other stories, it is about| power-_ and power. always about power. and misuse of power, _ power. always about power. and misuse of power, i _ power. always about power. and misuse of power, i was - power. always about power. and misuse of power, i was a - power. always about power. and misuse of power, i was a police i misuse of power, i was a police officer— misuse of power, i was a police officer for— misuse of power, i was a police officer for years and i have seen and heard — officer for years and i have seen and heard it and it's awful to hear those _ and heard it and it's awful to hear those stories tonight. there is a lot to _ those stories tonight. there is a lot to he — those stories tonight. there is a lot to be done. there is that bit where — lot to be done. there is that bit where we — lot to be done. there is that bit where we need to tackle the culture. when _ where we need to tackle the culture. when we _ where we need to tackle the culture. when we come to the processes we need _ when we come to the processes we need to— when we come to the processes we need to get them right and i think

there _ need to get them right and i think there is_ need to get them right and i think there is a — need to get them right and i think there is a disconnect in terms of what _ there is a disconnect in terms of what the — there is a disconnect in terms of what the parties do and what the grievance — what the parties do and what the grievance scheme does and other processes— grievance scheme does and other processes that play into parliament. partly— processes that play into parliament. partly that _ processes that play into parliament. partly that is, as stella said, we are in— partly that is, as stella said, we are in a — partly that is, as stella said, we are in a unique place, but we do make _ are in a unique place, but we do make the — are in a unique place, but we do make the laws and it is reasonable for the _ make the laws and it is reasonable for the public to expect the mps to follow _ for the public to expect the mps to follow the — for the public to expect the mps to follow the rules that everybody does _ follow the rules that everybody does. ~ ., ., ,, follow the rules that everybody does. ~ ., ., .w ., , , does. what do you make of this, this idea, this is — does. what do you make of this, this idea. this is a — does. what do you make of this, this idea, this is a complete, _ does. what do you make of this, this idea, this is a complete, a _ does. what do you make of this, this idea, this is a complete, a culture i idea, this is a complete, a culture that seems to be so stubborn at westminster? it that seems to be so stubborn at westminster?— westminster? it is and the exoeetation _ westminster? it is and the expectation that _ westminster? it is and the expectation that the - westminster? it is and the - expectation that the independent complaints— expectation that the independent complaints process _ expectation that the independent complaints process would - expectation that the independent complaints process would solve i expectation that the independent. complaints process would solve this was always — complaints process would solve this was always going _ complaints process would solve this was always going to _ complaints process would solve this was always going to be _ complaints process would solve this was always going to be wrong, - was always going to be wrong, because — was always going to be wrong, because the _ was always going to be wrong, because the culture _ was always going to be wrong, because the culture is - was always going to be wrong, because the culture is set - was always going to be wrong, | because the culture is set from was always going to be wrong, - because the culture is set from the top. because the culture is set from the too it— because the culture is set from the too it is— because the culture is set from the too it is the— because the culture is set from the tap. it is the way— because the culture is set from the top. it is the way the _ because the culture is set from the top. it is the way the parties- top. it is the way the parties manage _ top. it is the way the parties manage this _ top. it is the way the parties manage this and _ top. it is the way the parties manage this and the - top. it is the way the parties manage this and the control| top. it is the way the parties- manage this and the control and power— manage this and the control and power applied _ manage this and the control and power applied by— manage this and the control and power applied by the _ manage this and the control and power applied by the party, - manage this and the control and - power applied by the party, whether the whips— power applied by the party, whether the whips or— power applied by the party, whether the whips or the _ power applied by the party, whether the whips or the parties. _ power applied by the party, whether the whips or the parties. we - power applied by the party, whether the whips or the parties. we have i the whips or the parties. we have seen _ the whips or the parties. we have seen in _ the whips or the parties. we have seen in the — the whips or the parties. we have seen in the last _ the whips or the parties. we have seen in the last 24 _ the whips or the parties. we have seen in the last 24 hours - the whips or the parties. we have seen in the last 24 hours the - the whips or the parties. we have i seen in the last 24 hours the former prime _ seen in the last 24 hours the former prime minister— seen in the last 24 hours the former prime minister mock— seen in the last 24 hours the former prime minister mock essentially - seen in the last 24 hours the former prime minister mock essentially the j prime minister mock essentially the allegations — prime minister mock essentially the allegations that— prime minister mock essentially the allegations that were _ prime minister mock essentially the allegations that were made - prime minister mock essentially the allegations that were made againstl

allegations that were made against pincher— allegations that were made against pincher that— allegations that were made against pincher that resulted _ allegations that were made against pincher that resulted in _ allegations that were made against pincher that resulted in his- allegations that were made against pincher that resulted in his down. pincher that resulted in his down fall. pincher that resulted in his down faii~ so. — pincher that resulted in his down faii~ so. the _ pincher that resulted in his down fall. so, the parties _ pincher that resulted in his down fall. so, the parties have - pincher that resulted in his down fall. so, the parties have not- pincher that resulted in his down. fall. so, the parties have not been taking _ fall. so, the parties have not been taking this — fall. so, the parties have not been taking this seriously— fall. so, the parties have not been taking this seriously when - fall. so, the parties have not been taking this seriously when it - fall. so, the parties have not beenl taking this seriously when it comes to discipline — taking this seriously when it comes to discipline and _ taking this seriously when it comes to discipline and dealing _ taking this seriously when it comes to discipline and dealing with - taking this seriously when it comes to discipline and dealing with it - to discipline and dealing with it themselves— to discipline and dealing with it themselves and _ to discipline and dealing with it themselves and ensuring - to discipline and dealing with it themselves and ensuring whenj themselves and ensuring when parliament— themselves and ensuring when parliament is— themselves and ensuring when parliament is being _ themselves and ensuring when parliament is being asked - themselves and ensuring when parliament is being asked to l themselves and ensuring whenl parliament is being asked to do thing _ parliament is being asked to do thing like — parliament is being asked to do thing like exclude _ parliament is being asked to do thing like exclude people - parliament is being asked to do thing like exclude people who l parliament is being asked to do l thing like exclude people who are subject— thing like exclude people who are subject to — thing like exclude people who are subject to serious _ thing like exclude people who are subject to serious allegations - thing like exclude people who are subject to serious allegations the | subject to serious allegations the parties _ subject to serious allegations the parties are — subject to serious allegations the parties are not— subject to serious allegations the parties are not ensuring - subject to serious allegations the parties are not ensuring that - parties are not ensuring that parliament— parties are not ensuring that parliament is— parties are not ensuring that parliament is bringing - parties are not ensuring that parliament is bringing in - parties are not ensuring that parliament is bringing in thej parliament is bringing in the correct — parliament is bringing in the correct rules— parliament is bringing in the correct rules to _ parliament is bringing in the correct rules to treat - parliament is bringing in the correct rules to treat it - parliament is bringing in the correct rules to treat it like i parliament is bringing in the i correct rules to treat it like any other— correct rules to treat it like any other work— correct rules to treat it like any other work place? _ correct rules to treat it like any other work place? it— correct rules to treat it like any other work place?— correct rules to treat it like any other work place? it is right across the board and _ other work place? it is right across the board and affects _ other work place? it is right across the board and affects every - the board and affects every political party, no one is immune. let's pick up on that point about the whips, you were a whip, do the whips actually, i mean, do they want to know about bad behaviour, or do they turn a blind eye or use it. speaking for myself, i'm the only woman— speaking for myself, i'm the only woman doing the chief whipjob, but i absolutely would want to know about _ i absolutely would want to know about it — i absolutely would want to know about it i— i absolutely would want to know about it. i think the challenge is that there — about it. i think the challenge is that there is a lack of consistency between — that there is a lack of consistency between the parties, which means

sometimes it is used for political gain _ sometimes it is used for political gain the — sometimes it is used for political gain. the second thing and not to call for— gain. the second thing and not to call for the — gain. the second thing and not to call for the whips, but part of challenge is is there a pastoral responsibility they have. how do you make _ responsibility they have. how do you make investigations and also support people _ make investigations and also support people. that is why there is an independent process. who people. that is why there is an independent process.- people. that is why there is an independent process. who has the responsibility _ independent process. who has the responsibility for _ independent process. who has the responsibility for the _ independent process. who has the responsibility for the spades - independent process. who has the responsibility for the spades and l responsibility for the spades and interns? it it responsibility for the spades and interns? . , responsibility for the spades and interns? ., , ., ., , ., responsibility for the spades and interns? ., ., , ., , interns? if it was a house of cards scenario, interns? if it was a house of cards scenario. where — interns? if it was a house of cards scenario, where people _ interns? if it was a house of cards scenario, where people were - interns? if it was a house of cards i scenario, where people were holding information to control them, you could tackle that. every mp is their own employer and we are all responsible for our staff and this process has been overcomplicated by trying to work out how to get mps to be good boss and what do you do if the mp is the problem or the house of lords and what do you do with staff in the house of commons a members of the media. it is the same mix of people who don't seem to

understand you can go out for a drink with people and not grope them. and who is responsible for whose behaviour. you them. and who is responsible for whose behaviour.— them. and who is responsible for whose behaviour. you have been in parliament — whose behaviour. you have been in parliament for _ whose behaviour. you have been in parliament for a _ whose behaviour. you have been in parliament for a long _ whose behaviour. you have been in parliament for a long time - whose behaviour. you have been in parliament for a long time and - parliament for a long time and presumably have seen this, have you experienced this? i presumably have seen this, have you experienced this?— experienced this? i used to work in parliament — experienced this? i used to work in parliament many _ experienced this? i used to work in parliament many years _ experienced this? i used to work in parliament many years ago - experienced this? i used to work in parliament many years ago when i | parliament many years ago when i first graduated, i experienced it as a researcher. did first graduated, i experienced it as a researcher-— a researcher. did you feel you're had any power- _ a researcher. did you feel you're had any power. the _ a researcher. did you feel you're had any power. the whips - a researcher. did you feel you're had any power. the whips have i a researcher. did you feel you're i had any power. the whips have an impossible — had any power. the whips have an impossible position, _ had any power. the whips have an impossible position, because - had any power. the whips have an impossible position, because theyj impossible position, because they don't have that process to deal with member of staff. in that culture, anybody with a position of power, notjust anybody with a position of power, not just mps, anybody with a position of power, notjust mps, but anyone who does recruitment can use and abuse that. we are overcomplicating the process, sexual harassment happens in lots of work places, we need to make sure they use the laws and people who make the laws.— they use the laws and people who make the laws. what we have is this

independent — make the laws. what we have is this independent assessor, _ make the laws. what we have is this independent assessor, but - make the laws. what we have is this independent assessor, but look - make the laws. what we have is this independent assessor, but look at l independent assessor, but look at the length of time it takes, it is stressful for people bringing forward complaints and they're not being resolved for 222 days? unless it is a . ainst being resolved for 222 days? unless it is against a _ being resolved for 222 days? unless it is against a member _ being resolved for 222 days? unless it is against a member of _ being resolved for 222 days? unless it is against a member of house - it is against a member of house staff~ _ it is against a member of house staff~ that— it is against a member of house staff. that says _ it is against a member of house staff. that says something - it is against a member of house | staff. that says something about it is against a member of house - staff. that says something about how mps engage — staff. that says something about how mps engage with _ staff. that says something about how mps engage with the _ staff. that says something about how mps engage with the process. - staff. that says something about how. mps engage with the process. because mps engage with the process. because mps bring _ mps engage with the process. because mps bring in _ mps engage with the process. because mps bring in lawyers _ mps engage with the process. because mps bring in lawyers and _ mps engage with the process. because mps bring in lawyers and a _ mps bring in lawyers and a legalistic— mps bring in lawyers and a legalistic approach- mps bring in lawyers and a legalistic approach and - mps bring in lawyers and a i legalistic approach and that mps bring in lawyers and a - legalistic approach and that causes delays _ legalistic approach and that causes delays and — legalistic approach and that causes delays and they— legalistic approach and that causes delays and they have _ legalistic approach and that causes delays and they have an _ legalistic approach and that causes delays and they have an incentive i legalistic approach and that causes i delays and they have an incentive to cause _ delays and they have an incentive to cause delays, — delays and they have an incentive to cause delays, in— delays and they have an incentive to cause delays, in terms _ delays and they have an incentive to cause delays, in terms of— delays and they have an incentive to cause delays, in terms of response i cause delays, in terms of response times— cause delays, in terms of response times and — cause delays, in terms of response times and they _ cause delays, in terms of response times and they complain _ cause delays, in terms of response times and they complain about - cause delays, in terms of response times and they complain about the| times and they complain about the process— times and they complain about the process taking _ times and they complain about the process taking too _ times and they complain about the process taking too long. _ times and they complain about the process taking too long. yes, - times and they complain about thel process taking too long. yes, there are lots— process taking too long. yes, there are lots of— process taking too long. yes, there are lots of issues _ process taking too long. yes, there are lots of issues that _ process taking too long. yes, there are lots of issues that you - process taking too long. yes, there are lots of issues that you could - are lots of issues that you could deal with— are lots of issues that you could deal with and _ are lots of issues that you could deal with and they're _ are lots of issues that you could deal with and they're putting. are lots of issues that you could i deal with and they're putting more resources — deal with and they're putting more resources into— deal with and they're putting more resources into the _ deal with and they're putting more resources into the complaints - resources into the complaints process _ resources into the complaints process but _ resources into the complaints process but we _ resources into the complaints process. but we are - resources into the complaints process. but we are back - resources into the complaints process. but we are back to l resources into the complaints l process. but we are back to the point _ process. but we are back to the point you — process. but we are back to the point you need _ process. but we are back to the point you need an _ point you need an effective complaints— point you need an effective complaints process. the i point you need an effective - complaints process. the problem is point you need an effective _ complaints process. the problem is a broader— complaints process. the problem is a broader cultural _ complaints process. the problem is a broader cultural problem _ complaints process. the problem is a broader cultural problem that - complaints process. the problem is a broader cultural problem that the - broader cultural problem that the parties _ broader cultural problem that the parties have _ broader cultural problem that the parties have refused _ broader cultural problem that the parties have refused to _ broader cultural problem that the parties have refused to engage . broader cultural problem that thel parties have refused to engage in. you have — parties have refused to engage in. you have gone _ parties have refused to engage in. you have gone from _ parties have refused to engage in. you have gone from an _ parties have refused to engage in. you have gone from an intake to l you have gone from an intake to being the chief whip, have you experienced bad behaviour? i came

into parliament _ experienced bad behaviour? i came into parliament at _ experienced bad behaviour? i came into parliament at 42. _ experienced bad behaviour? i came into parliament at 42. it _ experienced bad behaviour? i came into parliament at 42. it is - experienced bad behaviour? i came into parliament at 42. it is about i into parliament at 42. it is about power~ _ into parliament at 42. it is about power~ i— into parliament at 42. it is about power~ i did _ into parliament at 42. it is about power. i did get a couple of comments from an older mp about wearing _ comments from an older mp about wearing a — comments from an older mp about wearing a nice skirt. i said, frankly— wearing a nice skirt. i said, frankly you're too old for this and so am _ frankly you're too old for this and so am i — frankly you're too old for this and so am i it— frankly you're too old for this and so am i. it makes me concerned about the younger— so am i. it makes me concerned about the younger members of staff. we can brush _ the younger members of staff. we can brush it— the younger members of staff. we can brush it off— the younger members of staff. we can brush it off from the positions we are in _ brush it off from the positions we are in. . , brush it off from the positions we are in. ., , ., ., are in. that is one of the challenges, _ are in. that is one of the challenges, it _ are in. that is one of the challenges, it has - are in. that is one of the i challenges, it has become are in. that is one of the - challenges, it has become so normalised and the process doesn't take account of how we are employed. if you complain about your boss, they're your employer. you can't go and work for somebody else. there are two things _ and work for somebody else. there are two things here. _ and work for somebody else. there are two things here. one _ and work for somebody else. there are two things here. one is - and work for somebody else. there are two things here. one is in - and work for somebody else. there are two things here. one is in many ways westminster, because it is seen as a club, of which you are all members, but also do you think mps feel it is their responsibility to be good role models? it feel it is their responsibility to be good role models? it should be about this about _ be good role models? it should be about this about about _

be good role models? it should be about this about about beyond - about this about about beyond parliament, i want people to look at the job— parliament, i want people to look at the job of— parliament, i want people to look at the job of an mp and see it as something to aspire to and to be aspiring it— something to aspire to and to be aspiring it to for the right reasons _ aspiring it to for the right reasons. the bottom line is what this culture — reasons. the bottom line is what this culture does is discourage people — this culture does is discourage people from getting involved in politics— people from getting involved in politics and then the trust in politicals becomes even more of an issue _ politicals becomes even more of an issue. ., politicals becomes even more of an issue. ._ ., , ., issue. the way we are seeing it now issue. the way we are seeing it now is not one-sided, _ issue. the way we are seeing it now is not one-sided, but _ issue. the way we are seeing it now is not one-sided, but it _ issue. the way we are seeing it now is not one-sided, but it is _ issue. the way we are seeing it now is not one-sided, but it is more - is not one—sided, but it is more likely to deter women? is not one-sided, but it is more likely to deter women? absolutely. and i likely to deter women? absolutely. and i come — likely to deter women? absolutely. and i come back _ likely to deter women? absolutely. and i come back to _ likely to deter women? absolutely. and i come back to the _ likely to deter women? absolutely. and i come back to the point, - likely to deter women? absolutely. | and i come back to the point, every mp will— and i come back to the point, every mp will say— and i come back to the point, every mp will say we _ and i come back to the point, every mp will say we should _ and i come back to the point, every mp will say we should be _ and i come back to the point, every mp will say we should be role - mp will say we should be role models _ mp will say we should be role models the _ mp will say we should be role models, the organisations- mp will say we should be role i models, the organisations that mp will say we should be role - models, the organisations that bring the mps _ models, the organisations that bring the mps into— models, the organisations that bring the mps into parliament _ models, the organisations that bring the mps into parliament are - models, the organisations that bring the mps into parliament are the - models, the organisations that bringl the mps into parliament are the ones that have _ the mps into parliament are the ones that have power— the mps into parliament are the ones that have power to— the mps into parliament are the ones that have power to deal— the mps into parliament are the ones that have power to deal with - the mps into parliament are the ones that have power to deal with this. - that have power to deal with this. and until— that have power to deal with this. and until they— that have power to deal with this. and until they are _ that have power to deal with this. and until they are serious - that have power to deal with this. and until they are serious about l that have power to deal with this. | and until they are serious about it and dealing — and until they are serious about it and dealing with _ and until they are serious about it and dealing with this, _ and until they are serious about it and dealing with this, taking - and dealing with this, taking people's— and dealing with this, taking people's party— and dealing with this, taking people's party membership, j people's party membership, addressing _ people's party membership, addressing issues _ people's party membership, addressing issues of - people's party membership, | addressing issues of informal complaints— addressing issues of informal complaints that _ addressing issues of informal complaints that have - addressing issues of informal complaints that have been i addressing issues of informal. complaints that have been made addressing issues of informal- complaints that have been made and the information— complaints that have been made and the information they _ complaints that have been made and the information they have _ complaints that have been made and the information they have got, - complaints that have been made and the information they have got, and l the information they have got, and until that _ the information they have got, and until that is — the information they have got, and until that is acted _ the information they have got, and until that is acted on, _ the information they have got, and until that is acted on, none - the information they have got, and until that is acted on, none of- the information they have got, and until that is acted on, none of thisl until that is acted on, none of this will change — until that is acted on, none of this will change-— until that is acted on, none of this will chane. ., ~' ., , . will change. thank you all very much indeed.

and now, very much related to the conversation we've just had, tomorrow the parliamentary standards watchdog will publish the findings of its inquiry into groping allegations against the former government whip chris pincher, who now sits as an independent. nick's here. what is going on? first thing tomorrow — what is going on? first thing tomorrow we _ what is going on? first thing tomorrow we will _ what is going on? first thing tomorrow we will get - what is going on? first thing tomorrow we will get that. what is going on? first thing - tomorrow we will get that report into the behaviour of crispin cher by the commons standards committee. they will recommend a sanction after an investigation by the parliamentary standards watchdog. last year chris pincher did resign after allegations that he assaulted fellow guests at the conservative carlton club in london and he also lost the conservative whip. he apologised for drinking too much and said he had embarrassed himself and others. it looks likely the committee will recommend a sanction that will be a suspension from the house of commons of at least ten

days, or possibly more. what then triggers a recall petition, if it happens in his constituency and if thatis happens in his constituency and if that is passed, there would have to be a by—election and it is important to say that from tomorrow, chris pincher will have ten days to appeal that sanction. the reason why is that so significant is that after he resigned, ministers said that boris johnson was not aware of any specific allegations against chris pincher. when ministers say that, they say that on instrubss structions from downing street and then the bbc reported when boris johnson was prime minister a few years before, he was told of a formal complaints against chris pincher when he was a foreign office minister. oi pincher when he was a foreign office minister. .., , ., ., minister. of course we have got the situation now— minister. of course we have got the situation now with _ minister. of course we have got the situation now with boris _ minister. of course we have got the situation now with boris johnson - situation now with borisjohnson today being asked about it? situation now with boris johnson today being asked about it? that's rirht. you today being asked about it? that's right. you heard _ today being asked about it? that's right. you heard dave _ today being asked about it? that's right. you heard dave penman - today being asked about it? trust�*s right. you heard dave penman saying that boris johnson right. you heard dave penman saying

that borisjohnson was mocking the allegations against chris pincher, this is from a podcast interview that a journalist did with boris johnson about that issue and the separate issue of owen paterson who was separately dealt with.— was separately dealt with. would you listen to your — was separately dealt with. would you listen to your colleagues _ was separately dealt with. would you listen to your colleagues more - was separately dealt with. would you listen to your colleagues more when | listen to your colleagues more when they conveyed their unease over things— they conveyed their unease over things like the chris pincher row? snores~~ — things like the chris pincher row? snores... | things like the chris pincher row? snores. .. 4' things like the chris pincher row? snores. . .- would - things like the chris pincher row? snores. . .- would you l things like the chris pincher row? i snores. . .- would you have snores... i think... would you have done anything _ snores... i think... would you have done anything differently _ snores... i think... would you have done anything differently now? if i l done anything differently now? [fl repeat done anything differently now? repeat my done anything differently now? if i repeat my basic analysis that politics— repeat my basic analysis that politics is— repeat my basic analysis that politics is pretty— repeat my basic analysis that politics is pretty tough. i repeat my basic analysis that politics is pretty tough. that| repeat my basic analysis that i politics is pretty tough. that is good — politics is pretty tough. that is aood. ~ �* ., , politics is pretty tough. that is aood. , ., good. well, boris johnson is no loner good. well, boris johnson is no longer an _ good. well, boris johnson is no longer an mp- _ good. well, boris johnson is no longer an mp. but _ good. well, boris johnson is no longer an mp. but what - good. well, boris johnson is no longer an mp. but what that i good. well, boris johnson is no i longer an mp. but what that shows is that goes to the heart of what we have been reporting, that is senior

figures in westminster are not taking these serious allegations seriously. taking these serious allegations seriousl . . ., taking these serious allegations seriousl. ., ~ early—onset alzheimer's, one of the diseases that causes dementia, is still relatively rare, but 5% of all cases are in people under the age of 65. today, the television presenter fiona phillips revealed that she is one of that number. now aged 62, fiona was informed she had the illness 18 months ago after months of brain fog and anxiety. her mother, father, uncle and grandparents had the disease. she is taking part in trials for a new drugs scientists hope will slow or reverse the illness. well, helping to care for someone suffering from such a disease is not easy. in the studio we have two guests who have both have a parent living with ziems. alzheimers. rory

your mother worked on radio four. when you here of another high profile one, does it make you think and make other people think about what is happening to their own families with dementia?- what is happening to their own families with dementia? when i read the news about _ families with dementia? when i read the news about fiona, _ families with dementia? when i read the news about fiona, i _ families with dementia? when i read the news about fiona, i saw - the news about fiona, i saw parallels between her situation and my mum's, because of her work and her age, she is the same age that my mum was when she was diagnosed. your father was just — mum was when she was diagnosed. your father was just 52. _ mum was when she was diagnosed. your father wasjust 52. this is 13 mum was when she was diagnosed. your father was just 52. this is 13 years later. and he is still at home. i know fiona is in a care home. your dad is still at home. how does that work for you and your sister? i have not two work for you and your sister? i have got two sisters. _ work for you and your sister? i have got two sisters. my _ work for you and your sister? i have got two sisters, my mum _ work for you and your sister? i have got two sisters, my mum is - work for you and your sister? i have got two sisters, my mum is my i work for you and your sister? i have i got two sisters, my mum is my dad's full-time _ got two sisters, my mum is my dad's full—time carer and looks after him at home _ full—time carer and looks after him at home. he does sometimes spend time in _ at home. he does sometimes spend time in day— at home. he does sometimes spend time in day care and have some carers _ time in day care and have some carers that— time in day care and have some carers that come to the home as well _ carers that come to the home as well but— carers that come to the home as well. but my sisters and i, we all

travel— well. but my sisters and i, we all travel home one weekend a month to kind of— travel home one weekend a month to kind of support with care for my mum _ kind of support with care for my mum. lt— kind of support with care for my mum, ., , , . ., kind of support with care for my mum. , ., mum. it has become part of your lives to do _ mum. it has become part of your lives to do the _ mum. it has become part of your lives to do the caring. _ mum. it has become part of your lives to do the caring. so - mum. it has become part of your lives to do the caring. so how i mum. it has become part of yourj lives to do the caring. so how did the diagnosis come about? 50. lives to do the caring. so how did the diagnosis come about? so, my dad, i didn't— the diagnosis come about? so, my dad, i didn't notice _ the diagnosis come about? so, my dad, i didn't notice it, _ the diagnosis come about? so, my dad, i didn't notice it, because i. dad, i didn't notice it, because i was dad, ididn't notice it, because i was only— dad, i didn't notice it, because i was only m _ dad, i didn't notice it, because i was only 14 or #1r515 hen he was diagnosed — was only 14 or #1r515 hen he was diagnosed. my dad started forgetting his words— diagnosed. my dad started forgetting his words and making mistakes at work— his words and making mistakes at work and — his words and making mistakes at work and he was put through a disciplinary at his work. yeah, they didn't— disciplinary at his work. yeah, they didn't kind — disciplinary at his work. yeah, they didn't kind of recognise the illness _ didn't kind of recognise the illness. and again, because he was so young _ illness. and again, because he was so young when he was going to the doctor— so young when he was going to the doctor and — so young when he was going to the doctor and my mum was realising things— doctor and my mum was realising things were going wrong, they weren't— things were going wrong, they weren't thinking of dementia or alzheimer's because he was so young and he _ alzheimer's because he was so young and he was _ alzheimer's because he was so young and he was misdiagnosed with depression. and he was misdiagnosed with depression-— and he was misdiagnosed with depression. what about fiona's osition?

depression. what about fiona's position? not— depression. what about fiona's position? not a _ depression. what about fiona's position? not a million - depression. what about fiona's position? not a million miles . depression. what about fiona's i position? not a million miles away, a similar story. _ position? not a million miles away, a similar story. my _ position? not a million miles away, a similar story, my mum _ position? not a million miles away, a similar story, my mum was i a similar story, my mum was misdiagnosed with anxiety. he was diagnosed in the middle of the pandemic so it was difficult to get her the scans. a couple were cancelled. there was a lot of pressure, a long time before noticing there was something wrong to getting that diagnosis. about a year and a half.— to getting that diagnosis. about a year and a half. now of course, you and our year and a half. now of course, you and your brother— year and a half. now of course, you and your brother look— year and a half. now of course, you and your brother look after- year and a half. now of course, you and your brother look after your i and your brother look after your mum, but she is in a care home. but how aware is she is still about the impact of her condition on herself and on you boys, because that must have been a big concern of hers? mostly she knows what is happening to her, which is bitter sweet. it is not consistent day to day. i'm not sure she necessarily understands the you know the future, what is to come. but you she knows she has it

and knows she doesn't want it. what and knows she doesn't want it. what about ou and knows she doesn't want it. what about you dad? _ and knows she doesn't want it. what about you dad? at _ and knows she doesn't want it. what about you dad? at this _ and knows she doesn't want it. what about you dad? at this point, - and knows she doesn't want it. what about you dad? at this point, my i and knows she doesn't want it. what| about you dad? at this point, my dad is in later stages, _ about you dad? at this point, my dad is in later stages, but _ about you dad? at this point, my dad is in later stages, but there - about you dad? at this point, my dad is in later stages, but there was i about you dad? at this point, my dad is in later stages, but there was a - is in later stages, but there was a time _ is in later stages, but there was a time when — is in later stages, but there was a time when he couldn't find words in the first— time when he couldn't find words in the first few years, he would say oh, the first few years, he would say oh. it _ the first few years, he would say oh. it is— the first few years, he would say oh. it is the _ the first few years, he would say oh, it is the alzheimer's, i can't .et oh, it is the alzheimer's, ican't get my— oh, it is the alzheimer's, i can't get my words! so he was aware for a white, _ get my words! so he was aware for a white, and _ get my words! so he was aware for a while, and then, yeah, now it is at a point _ while, and then, yeah, now it is at a point where... while, and then, yeah, now it is at a point where. . .— while, and then, yeah, now it is at a point where... you were 14 when this happened. _ a point where... you were 14 when this happened, very _ a point where... you were 14 when this happened, very young, - a point where... you were 14 when this happened, very young, it - a point where... you were 14 when | this happened, very young, it must have been incredibly difficult for you and your sisters. and i wonder, do you then, in a way, started that grieving process early? rory, what about you? i grieving process early? rory, what about ou? , grieving process early? rory, what about you?— about you? i still think i am yet to start the grieving _ about you? i still think i am yet to start the grieving process, - about you? i still think i am yet to start the grieving process, a - about you? i still think i am yet to start the grieving process, a lot i about you? i still think i am yet to start the grieving process, a lot of the difficulties alongside the

diagnosis have been financial, legal, particularly on the financial side of things, i have seen the care system, the benefits system is from the inside now, and i think a lot of people presumed that my mum had a pot of wealth because she was, you know, on the radio and working in media, but it was a misconception that she even had a pension, and another misconception is that even if you do, the costs of someone getting ill like this are astronomical, so your pension would go pretty quickly. find astronomical, so your pension would so pretty quickly-— go pretty quickly. and did you have to crow u- go pretty quickly. and did you have to grow up quickly _ go pretty quickly. and did you have to grow up quickly and _ go pretty quickly. and did you have to grow up quickly and learn - go pretty quickly. and did you have to grow up quickly and learn about| to grow up quickly and learn about these things as well?— these things as well? yeah, of course, these things as well? yeah, of course. i _ these things as well? yeah, of course, ithink— these things as well? yeah, of course, i think my _ these things as well? yeah, of i course, i think my understanding these things as well? yeah, of - course, i think my understanding of alzheimer's— course, i think my understanding of alzheimer's when my dad was first diagnosed — alzheimer's when my dad was first diagnosed was very minimal, and i dhint— diagnosed was very minimal, and i didn't know— diagnosed was very minimal, and i didn't know what it meant for us, whether— didn't know what it meant for us, whether he — didn't know what it meant for us, whether he was going to be here for a tong _ whether he was going to be here for a tong time — whether he was going to be here for a long time or not. i think every case _ a long time or not. i think every case of— a long time or not. i think every case of alzheimer's or dementia is so different, so it is hard to know. fiona _ so different, so it is hard to know. fiona phillips and her family, so different, so it is hard to know. fiona phillips and herfamily, many of them have had alzheimer's, and i

wonder, is that part of your thought processes, would you think of getting tested? i processes, would you think of getting tested?— processes, would you think of getting tested? i mean, for me, i think alzheimer's _ getting tested? i mean, for me, i think alzheimer's and _ getting tested? i mean, for me, i think alzheimer's and dementia i getting tested? i mean, for me, i i think alzheimer's and dementia is getting tested? i mean, for me, i l think alzheimer's and dementia is a very scary— think alzheimer's and dementia is a very scary thing, but i think everyone _ very scary thing, but i think everyone should be scared of it, because — everyone should be scared of it, because there is not loads of science — because there is not loads of science to understand why it happens, why certain people get it, and why— happens, why certain people get it, and why certain people do not. and for example, my dad's parents, his dad is _ for example, my dad's parents, his dad is alive — for example, my dad's parents, his dad is alive at the age of 97, he has recently being diagnosed with dementia, but he has had to watch his son _ dementia, but he has had to watch his son go — dementia, but he has had to watch his son go through dementia, so who knows _ his son go through dementia, so who knows what _ his son go through dementia, so who knows what will happen for me? but i would _ knows what will happen for me? but i would rather not know. it is knows what will happen for me? but i would rather not know.— would rather not know. it is a fear, for sure. would rather not know. it is a fear, for sure- my _ would rather not know. it is a fear, for sure. my gran _ would rather not know. it is a fear, for sure. my gran had _ would rather not know. it is a fear, for sure. my gran had it, _ would rather not know. it is a fear, for sure. my gran had it, my - would rather not know. it is a fear, for sure. my gran had it, my mum| for sure. my gran had it, my mum has it, i was offered a test to see if i had the gene, but i turned it down, i do not want to know. i have been given advice on how to live life

more healthily to try and avoid it, but i completely agree, i think everyone should assume it could happen to them, it is more frequent than people now, about 850,000 people are known to have it in the uk, and it is likely a lot higher because a lot goes undiagnosed. i because a lot goes undiagnosed. i wonder, as young people, do you feel there is any help for you in the system to help with a parent with alzheimer's?— alzheimer's? very little. i cared for my mum _ alzheimer's? very little. i cared for my mum full-time _ alzheimer's? very little. i cared for my mum full-time for- alzheimer's? very little. i cared for my mum full-time for a - alzheimer's? very little. i caredl for my mum full-time for a year, alzheimer's? very little. i cared - for my mum full-time for a year, and for my mum full—time for a year, and i wasn't eligible for care a's allowance, and that is the only health i could have thought of getting, and i didn't get it. i don't think there is help for people how age in particular, i think there is an assumption that somebody my mum's age might be dealing with it with a parent. find mum's age might be dealing with it with a parent-— mum's age might be dealing with it with a parent._ i - mum's age might be dealing with it with a parent._ i agree i with a parent. and for you? i agree with a parent. and for you? i agree with everything _ with a parent. and for you? i agree with everything you _ with a parent. and for you? i agree with everything you have _ with a parent. and for you? i agree with everything you have just - with a parent. and for you? i agree with everything you have just said, | with everything you have just said, for att— with everything you have just said, for all carers, with everything you have just said, forall carers, it is with everything you have just said, for all carers, it is such a difficult _ for all carers, it is such a difficult thing to deal with, and to

id difficult thing to deal with, and to go through, and i think they should be more _ go through, and i think they should be more help available to everyone. as rory— be more help available to everyone. as rory has— be more help available to everyone. as rory has touched upon, understanding what to do with that initial— understanding what to do with that initial diagnosis, notjust understanding what to do with that initial diagnosis, not just about coping — initial diagnosis, not just about coping with it emotionally, but also practically, things that you mentioned like finance and benefits, so many— mentioned like finance and benefits, so many people do not know where to start, _ so many people do not know where to start, and _ so many people do not know where to start, and i_ so many people do not know where to start, and i think it is really important for the right support to be available, for people to understand how to deal with it. thank— understand how to deal with it. thank you _ understand how to deal with it. thank you both very much for coming into night. today the uk and poland signed a new partnership deal, designed to deepen theirforeign policy, security and defence cooperation. at the bilateral meeting in london, the foreign secretary spoke of theirjoint efforts to preserve freedom in europe in world war ii, and said they were standing togather once more at the forefront of international support for ukraine. next week, nato meets in vilnius with ukraine at the top of the agenda. poland is the closest neigbour to ukraine, and several of the key flashpoints in the war have a direct impact on the country, not least the russian threat

to attack the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. poland is also at the forefront of the nato countries keen to issue a road map for ukraine's membership of the alliance. i sat down with the polish foreign minister today and i began by asking what polish president duda meant when he said there had to be a clear defeat of russia, including the return of crimea to ukraine. i believe that almost everyone in poland believes it that we have to restore the rules—based international order. so first of all the defeat of russia, the defeat of russian imperialistic policies should boil down to regain by ukraine of its territorial integrity. of course including crimea. there is the possibility of great danger ahead, not least for poland,

because if the reports are right that the russians are considering an attack on zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, that has implications for poland as well. look at chernobyl, i mean the impact on chernobyl. do you think, is the assessment of poland that an attack on zaporizhzhia's nuclear plant is imminent? well, you see, russia is predictable in its unpredictability. so we recall what happened with the collapse of the darn, right? so it's possible that the russian authorities are ready to play also with nuclear card. we cannot rule it out. but how likely it is, it remains to be seen. if the russians hit the zaporizhzhia power station,

what happens then, does that change things? look, to use this kind of weapon, or to turn to this kind of blackmail will create a completely new situation on the ground in ukraine, but it will also affect a considerable part of nato territory. so this will require then adequate reaction. and you don't expect me to tell you what it's going to be. let's move on to membership of nato, obviously the important meeting in vilnius, we know that president biden is coming. will poland be pushing for nato to welcome in ukraine? well, let me state two facts. first of all, all allies do agree

that the future of ukraine is in nato. hungary? well, certainly the hungarians will follow suit. it is only a matter of time. this is one thing.