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plans to send cluster munitions to ukraine — plans to send i cluster munitions to ukraine despite many countries banning them and some disagreements already within nato. when it comes to cluster ammunition, there is a difference between arms. a man who shot dead 26—year—old elle edwards is jailed today for 48 years. the shipping industry agrees a new deal to slash carbon emissions but environmental groups say it still falls far short of what is needed. and as tens of millions of users sign up to the new threads app, twitter considers legal action, claiming the company stole its trade secrets. hello, i'm matthew amroliwala. welcome to verified live, three hours of breaking stories, and checking out the truth behind them.
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let's start with the war in ukraine, and nato's secretary general has admitted there is a difference between allies on whether to use cluster weapons in ukraine. it follows reports that washington is expected to announce a new weapons package for kyiv which will include cluster munitions. ukraine has been asking for them for months to boost its counteroffensive against russia, but many countries around the world ban the use of such weapons because of the danger they pose to civilians. here's whatjens stoltenberg had to sayjust a couple of hours ago. it is for individual allies to make decisions on what type of weapons. all allies agree on the delivery of weapons and ammunition to ukraine and allies are delivering an unprecedented level of weapons to support ukraine. germany and many other allies are delivering different types of ammunition, weapons to ukraine. but when it comes to cluster ammunition, there is a difference between allies because some allies
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have signed the convention on cluster munitions and they don't have cluster munitions so of course there is no cluster munitions to provide to ukraine. other allies have not signed the convention and many of them or some of them have cluster munitions. so what are cluster munitions and why are they so controversial? cluster munitions normally release large numbers of smaller bomblets that can kill over a wide area, threatening civilians. bomblets that fail to explode pose a danger for years after a conflict ends. for that reason, they're banned by 120 countries worldwide. germany's foreign minister has already said her country opposes the use of cluster munitions. human rights watch says both russian and ukrainian forces have used cluster munitions that have killed civilians. live now to washington
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to our correspondent, nomia iqbal. what are you hearing about any possible announcement? we are exectinu possible announcement? we are expecting the — possible announcement? we are expecting the announcement - possible announcement? we are expecting the announcement at l possible announcement? we are - expecting the announcement at some point this afternoon by the us that it will send these cluster munitions as part of its latest package to ukraine. as you outlined there, it is incredibly controversial, more than 120 countries including nato members are against these musician —— munitions being sent. what is interesting is that the us last use them in iraq from 2003 until 2006, and actually faced at in 2016, so it has these supplies of munitions, ready to send to ukraine. we understand that that rule was reversed under donald trump but there is also an agreement that these munitions would only be sent out if they have a low failure rate. so at one point the failure rate was
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about 20%, then 6%, but we now understand according to the us its 2%, but we don't know the evidence for that. so it is on that basis that they clearly feel that it's fine to send them, but as we have been hearing, it is controversial, you have germany that has condemned it, and that will probably be worrying for president biden because it shows that there are cracks in the coalition on that one. so tensions _ the coalition on that one. so tensions within the wider coalition, but tell me more about the tensions domestically as well because there are democrats who are against the use of cluster munitions, where do republicans stand on this as well? there are, because as you mentioned their human rights watch have come out to say these pose a huge risk to civilians, the cluster munitions coalition is a group trying to get the weapons banned everywhere, they are still dormant in places like
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vietnam, so you have members of the democratic party against them as well. there are republicans generally who have more or less backed president biden so far is a rare moment of bipartisanship in providing ukraine on what it needs, there are some concerns around sending these munitions in the same way that others are voicing concerns, but we are still waiting for that confirmation, it is being widely reported in the us it will happen but we are still waiting for the pentagon to confirm they will indeed send these cluster munitions to ukraine, remember ukraine has been asking for them since last year. been asking for them since last ear. �* been asking for them since last ear, �* , , been asking for them since last ear. ~ , , ., been asking for them since last ear. , ., year. and i suppose given what you said earlier. _ year. and i suppose given what you said earlier, we _ year. and i suppose given what you said earlier, we will _ year. and i suppose given what you said earlier, we will hear _ year. and i suppose given what you said earlier, we will hear within - said earlier, we will hear within the announcement how soon they can be sent, because as you are saying if there are large stockpiles presumably that means they are more or less good to go because there has been so much frustration from the ukrainian side about announcements from the west, but then quite how long it takes to actually get into
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the theatre. in long it takes to actually get into the theatre.— long it takes to actually get into the theatre. ., ., , the theatre. in order to use them, the theatre. in order to use them, the need the theatre. in order to use them, they need to _ the theatre. in order to use them, they need to be — the theatre. in order to use them, they need to be launched - the theatre. in order to use them, they need to be launched by - they need to be launched by artillery weapons, so you can either launch them by air or ground but the ukrainians will launch them with artillery weapons, they are already using them, provided by the us. in terms of this stockpile of cluster munitions vision, we know they are known as dual—purpose improved —— approved munitions, they were phased out in 2016 so the americans have them more or less ready to go, kyiv was asking for them since last year, washington had previously held off, and i imagine it's because you have all these countries that don't want them sent over, that 2008 treaty which many of them signed, banning the use of them. but hopefully we will get more details when there is an announcement expected later today which is ultimately about this package i should say that they are
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sending to ukraine, this latest package, an $800 million military package, an $800 million military package including armoured vehicles, the ammunition for howitzers and also high mobility artillery rockets as well. we also high mobility artillery rockets as well. ~ ., , , ., ~ as well. we will undoubtedly talk aaain in as well. we will undoubtedly talk again in the _ as well. we will undoubtedly talk again in the next _ as well. we will undoubtedly talk again in the next few _ as well. we will undoubtedly talk again in the next few hours, - as well. we will undoubtedly talkl again in the next few hours, thank you for taking us through the details. let's turn to the counter—offensive. currently, fighting is continuing in the eastern donetsk and south—eastern zaporizhia regions. ukraine says its forces have continued their advances around the city of bakhmut — and have retaken nine settlements and 160 square kilometres of territory, since the start of the counter—offensive on 4thjune. 0ur correspondent andrew harding reports. explosion. ukrainian troops barely flinch as another russian shell hits the front lines close to bakhmut. for a month now, the counteroffensive has raged here. davai, davai!
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"come on, come on," the commander urges his men forwards. and they are making progress, but it's slow work. too slow for some. i step on the russian mine. this soldier lost his foot to a mine a while back and has now recovered and is fighting again. but he's worried. yes, we need help. we need more artillery systems. we need more, more, more weapons. and without that? without that i think probably, we have... we will lose this game. you're going to lose? yes. the counteroffensive is certainly proving costly for ukraine. another casualty arrives at a field hospital on the southern front. oleh is just 19 years old. he was wounded in the back this morning by shrapnel from a mortar. despite the rising ukrainian casualty rate, despite scenes
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like this, it is important to remember that ukraine's counteroffensive is still in its very early stages. it's not appropriate yet to judge whether it's been a failure or a success. drone footage of russian forces near the southern city of kherson. ukraine has launched a surprise attack here, forcing these troops to retreat, probing russia's defences, as you might in a long game of chess. because this is a slow process, notjust on the front lines. here, a huge russian ammunition store near donetsk is targeted. it's part of ukraine's plan to weaken the enemy before the counteroffensive moves up another gear. "everyone is waiting for that," says army doctor yevgen. "we wait and we believe that everything will be fine. "we just need to be patient."
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but that patience comes at a high price. 19—year—old oleh is taken away in a british ambulance, funded by private donors. he's stable, but his spine is damaged. he may never walk again. andrew harding, bbc news, ukraine. gunman when he killed elle edwards has been sentenced to life with a minimum term of 48 years, connor chapman, 23, was found guilty following a trial at liverpool crown court, his co—accused, thomas waring, was also sentenced today to nine years in prison for possessing a prohibited weapon and assisting an offender. well, let's hear now the
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judge mrjustice gu is summing up chapman's actions in his sentencing remarks. ~ ., , ., chapman's actions in his sentencing remarks. ~ ., ., ., remarks. what you did, connor chapman. _ remarks. what you did, connor chapman. to — remarks. what you did, connor chapman, to those _ remarks. what you did, connor chapman, to those six - remarks. what you did, connor chapman, to those six victims | remarks. what you did, connor. chapman, to those six victims was remarks. what you did, connor- chapman, to those six victims was as wicked as it was shocking. you murdered elle edwards, bringing an end to her young life, you attempted to murderjake duffy and kieran salkeld, causing them very serious injuries, you wounded both liam carr and harry loughran and caused injury to nicholas speed, you obtained a submachine gun loaded with 12 bullets, prepared yourself to fire all of them at close range at six of them. your intention was to murder jake duffy and kieran salkeld but you did not care who else would be killed, that's why you fired all the bullets. i'm satisfied you are a
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highly dangerous man. aha, bullets. i'm satisfied you are a highly dangerous man.- bullets. i'm satisfied you are a highly dangerous man. a man who killed a mother _ highly dangerous man. a man who killed a mother and _ highly dangerous man. a man who killed a mother and her _ highly dangerous man. a man who killed a mother and her young - killed a mother and her young children by setting their flat on fire has been jailed children by setting their flat on fire has beenjailed for life children by setting their flat on fire has been jailed for life today, jamie barrow will serve a minimum of 34 years behind bars, he poured petrol through the letterbox of the flat where they lived, barrow drank several cans of lager before taking petrol from his motorbike to start the fire, prosecutors said he had a grievance over rubbish being left in the alleyway. two distressing court cases that have concluded today with those sentences. let's talk climate change and the battle to cut emissions. if there's been progress on fossil fuels, on the aviation industry, on renewables, one sector, shipping, has seen very little movement. 90% of international
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trade is shipped by sea via huge container ships that accounts for up to 3% of global carbon emissions. greenpeace has said pollution from shipping isn't the elephant in the room, it's the whale in the bathtub. and so delegates from 175 countries at the international maritime organisation have thrashed out a deal to make the shipping industry �*net zero' by or around 2050. but it's only a minimum 20 per cent reduction — by 2030. environmental campaigners say the agreement is far short of what is needed. faig abbasov, a shipping programme director at the transport and environment campaign group explains the significance of the agreement. i think it's a significant moment to the extent this organisation is responsible for regulating international shipping, that has been procrastinating for three decades, and if wejudge been procrastinating for three decades, and if we judge the success by that measure, it has made
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progress. today, when they adopted the new strategy, there was a bit of a sense in the room that it's a new plan, but it's not the plan that we need to decarbonise in line with 1.5 degrees. need to decarbonise in line with 1.5 decrees. ., . , , ., . need to decarbonise in line with 1.5 decrees. ., . . degrees. how much resistance was there in the — degrees. how much resistance was there in the build-up _ degrees. how much resistance was there in the build-up to this - there in the build—up to this agreement? there in the build-up to this agreement?— there in the build-up to this agreement? there in the build-up to this aureement? 1, , , ., agreement? basically, there were two sides, two agreement? basically, there were two sides. two camps. _ agreement? basically, there were two sides, two camps, the _ agreement? basically, there were two sides, two camps, the one _ agreement? basically, there were two sides, two camps, the one hand, - agreement? basically, there were two sides, two camps, the one hand, we l sides, two camps, the one hand, we had the most climate vulnerable countries like the solemn alignments and many islands and most developed countries. —— the solomon islands. and some european countries. and on the other side we had latin american countries, china, russia, saudi arabia, india and many others who were resisting very strongly, and that tension was there throughout the two weeks we have been here
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negotiating that deal. until the last moment we were not sure what we would get, if we would get anything, and it is good that there is this final deal but it's very clear that this deal is not the right response the climate urgency we are facing. there is no carbon levy, there appeared to be no particular sanctions, there are these indicative checkpoints by the year 2030 which were supposed to have cut emissions by 20%, in terms of the criticisms we have heard from environmental campaigners, do you think they are valid?— think they are valid? absolutely, because two _ think they are valid? absolutely, because two major— think they are valid? absolutely, because two major issues - think they are valid? absolutely, because two major issues were l think they are valid? absolutely, l because two major issues were on think they are valid? absolutely, - because two major issues were on the table, setting new targets and discussing the measures, regulatory tools, how to implement them. in terms of the targets, a few key dates are important, 2030, 2040 and 2050, obviously the media on the outside world has focused on the 2050 target but from the
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environmental and science perspective that is too little, too late, climate change requires us to reduce emissions now in this decade, and that is why the 2030 target is so important. tam and that is why the 2030 target is so important-— and that is why the 2030 target is so im ortant. ., ., , . , so important. two or three sentences if ou so important. two or three sentences if you could. — so important. two or three sentences if you could. how— so important. two or three sentences if you could, how do _ so important. two or three sentences if you could, how do they _ so important. two or three sentences if you could, how do they actually - if you could, how do they actually cut emissions, whatever the timeline?— cut emissions, whatever the timeline? ., . ., timeline? there are indicative checkpoints — timeline? there are indicative checkpoints on _ timeline? there are indicative checkpoints on the _ timeline? there are indicative checkpoints on the table - timeline? there are indicative checkpoints on the table to i timeline? there are indicative - checkpoints on the table to achieve a 20% emissions by 2030, 70% by 2040 and net zero by 2050, this reduction target is too slow, but in general to achieve those targets the shipping industry will need three things, to improve its operational efficiency and the best way of doing it is slowing ships down, number two we can use the wind out there and the shipping industry is well suited to use sale technology, number three we need the cleaner fuels and particularly the ones that have the
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biggest promise. than particularly the ones that have the biggest promise-— particularly the ones that have the bi est romise. �* ., ,, ,, biggest promise. an assessment there on that deal done _ biggest promise. an assessment there on that deal done by _ biggest promise. an assessment there on that deal done by the _ biggest promise. an assessment there on that deal done by the shipping - on that deal done by the shipping industry today, more on that a little later on the programme. data analysed by a group of us scientists say the global average temperature was 17.23 celsius, breaking the record set on monday, which was then surpassed just a day later. scientists say the rising temperatures are being driven by human induced climate change and the naturally occurring weather pattern known as el nino. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some of the other stories making headlines across the uk... the deaths of four boys who fell into a frozen lake near solihull were accidental and a devastating tragedy, a coroner concluded. finlay butler, eight, and his younger brother, samuel,
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six, died, as did their cousin thomas stewart, 11, and another boy, jackjohnson, ten. they went on to the ice after they fed ducks and skimmed stones. house prices fell for the third month in a row injune, according to the mortgage lender the halifax while mortgage rates continue to rise. it said the annual fall of 2.6% was equal to around £7,500 being wiped off the average uk house price. and it's the end of the road for the humble ford fiesta. after nearly half a century, the final car is rolling off the manufacturing line in germany, marking an end of an era. the fiesta has been the most popular car ever sold in the uk. the factory in cologne is increasing capacity for more electric vehicles. you're live with bbc news. now, it's become the fastest
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growing app of all time. threads, the social media platform launched by meta to rival twitter yesterday, has already signed up tens of millions of users. many users say threads is similar to twitter, and now twitter is threatening legal action, accusing meta of stealing its trade secrets and intellectual property. earlier, i spoke withjim anderson, the ceo of beacon, an ai—softwa re company. he started by describing how much of a success the launch was. i saw isawa i saw a statistic this morning, they have crossed 50 million downloads in 24 hours and some are calling it the fastest growing up in history, as people are trying it out, the real question though, will it show any staying power? it's great it is off to such a roaring start, in the coming days, weeks and months, will they sustain that? and coming days, weeks and months, will they sustain that?— coming days, weeks and months, will they sustain that? and the move from elon musk, they sustain that? and the move from elon musk. how— they sustain that? and the move from elon musk, how difficult _ they sustain that? and the move from elon musk, how difficult is _ they sustain that? and the move from elon musk, how difficult is it - they sustain that? and the move from elon musk, how difficult is it going - elon musk, how difficult is it going to be to prove that basic copying
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charge? to be to prove that basic copying charae? , ' . ., ., charge? very difficult, and a good rule of thumb _ charge? very difficult, and a good rule of thumb is _ charge? very difficult, and a good rule of thumb is if _ charge? very difficult, and a good rule of thumb is if you _ charge? very difficult, and a good rule of thumb is if you have - charge? very difficult, and a good rule of thumb is if you have a - charge? very difficult, and a good rule of thumb is if you have a very strong legal case you file a lawsuit, you don't send an angry letter, it's becoming from a position of weakness. so letter, it's becoming from a position of weakness. so you don't think it's particularly _ position of weakness. so you don't think it's particularly serious? - position of weakness. so you don't think it's particularly serious? i - think it's particularly serious? i do not. it's interesting, when you get to the realm of intellectual property there is a little known fact that facebook bought a whole bunch of us patent is from aol a number of years ago, and there is some consideration there that actually facebook could have a patent claim against twitter, i don't think there would be any normal situation where they would pursue that but if elon musk pursues this and files a counterclaim, saying, twitter, you are infringing my patterns, then you are into a years long legal debates and generally the people who when other lawyers. it’s generally the people who when other la ers. �* , . generally the people who when other la ers. �*, ., ., generally the people who when other la ers. ., ., lawyers. it's a fascinating position to be in because _ lawyers. it's a fascinating position to be in because for _ lawyers. it's a fascinating position to be in because for years - lawyers. it's a fascinating position to be in because for years people | to be in because for years people have had concerns about zuckerberg and elon musk, and it's quite a
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choice now, isn't it? it and elon musk, and it's quite a choice now, isn't it?— choice now, isn't it? it is, to billionaires. _ choice now, isn't it? it is, to billionaires. which _ choice now, isn't it? it is, to| billionaires. which billionaire choice now, isn't it? it is, to - billionaires. which billionaire do you want to support? meta has had a really bad streak of pr, the news has not been good the metaphor a couple of years now, so i'm sure they are delighted to get this public success at the expense of twitter and mark zuckerberg and elon musk are going back and forth and somehow they want to have a steel cage fighting match which is ridiculous in and of itself, so we find ourselves in interesting territory but one thing seems clear, it's very well timed, the launch of threads came at the right time at a real weak spot for twitter and elon musk. jim real weak spot for twitter and elon musk. , �* ,., ., ~ real weak spot for twitter and elon musk. , �* ., ~ ., musk. jim anderson talking a little earl hit musk. jim anderson talking a little early hit on — musk. jim anderson talking a little early hit on the _ musk. jim anderson talking a little early hit on the programme. - three people have been arrested after employees at a kenyan cheese factory were allegedly forced to undress to check who was on their period. a manager at brown's food company assembled female workers to find out who had thrown a used sanitary towel in an incorrect bin. she made the women strip
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after attempts to get a confession were unsuccessful. brown's says it has suspended the accused manager pending an investigation. live go live now to anna mutavati who is the un women's country representative to kenya. this is absolutely horrifying, this incident. it this is absolutely horrifying, this incident. , ., , , incident. it is absolutely horrifying. _ incident. it is absolutely horrifying, and - incident. it is absolutely horrifying, and thank i incident. it is absolutely| horrifying, and thank you incident. it is absolutely - horrifying, and thank you for incident. it is absolutely _ horrifying, and thank you for having me. in horrifying, and thank you for having me. , ., ., ., , , me. in terms of what it throws up, what are the _ me. in terms of what it throws up, what are the issues _ me. in terms of what it throws up, what are the issues that _ me. in terms of what it throws up, what are the issues that spring - me. in terms of what it throws up, what are the issues that spring to l what are the issues that spring to mind, you are there in the country and dealing with these issues all of the time, when something like this actually happens, what comes to your mind? ., , , , ., actually happens, what comes to your mind? ., , , mind? so, for us, this is a classic examle mind? so, for us, this is a classic example of— mind? so, for us, this is a classic example of the _ mind? so, for us, this is a classic example of the period _ mind? so, for us, this is a classic example of the period shaming . mind? so, for us, this is a classic. example of the period shaming and the stigmatisation of menstruation, driven by culture, negative culture and negative social norms. and the
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lack of respect for women's human rights. and also the impunity that this could be done. so it brings so many things to the fore, but i think it's important that it presents an opportunity for us to talk publicly about menstrual health, about period poverty, about women's rights, women's reproductive health, at all levels, notjust in schools, but a family level, at a community level, and to be comfortable to discuss those things because right now the issues are still shrouded in mystery and shaming and stigma and discrimination and total disregard for the rights of women. i iffiilil discrimination and total disregard for the rights of women. i will come back to more _ for the rights of women. i will come back to more of _ for the rights of women. i will come back to more of the _ for the rights of women. i will come back to more of the work _ for the rights of women. i will come back to more of the work you - for the rights of women. i will come back to more of the work you are i back to more of the work you are doing every day on this in a moment
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or two, doing every day on this in a moment ortwo, but doing every day on this in a moment or two, but does an incident like today suggestjust how or two, but does an incident like today suggest just how slow it or two, but does an incident like today suggestjust how slow it is in terms of making any progress and whether any progress is being made? well, there is progress definitely being made. ifi well, there is progress definitely being made. if i talk for what is happening right now in kenya, there are many women's rights groups that have formed around advocacy, to try and break the stigma, to try and break the cultural norms that guide what can be discussed and what cannot be discussed around menstruation, so there is a lot of awareness raising being made, there is a public campaign right now there is a public campaign right now there is also putting this issue right on the policy table, and there is also progress that that bit of kenya has prioritised, and this is one of its key deliverables and the current administration... i key deliverables and the current administration. . ._ key deliverables and the current administration... i was going to ask ou about administration... i was going to ask you about that. _ administration... i was going to ask you about that, in _ administration... i was going to ask you about that, in terms _ administration. .. i was going to ask you about that, in terms of- you about that, in terms of political leaders, do they even want
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to talk and address issues like this? i to talk and address issues like this? ., _ ., ., ~ to talk and address issues like this? ., ., ., this? i would say we are making a difference. _ this? i would say we are making a difference. i _ this? i would say we are making a difference, i think there i this? i would say we are making a difference, i think there is i this? i would say we are making a difference, i think there is a i difference, i think there is a difference, i think there is a difference, from before, this used to be taboo and not talked about, embarrassing for women and communities and men to be seen talking about it, but now it's right there on the tables, and we are having to talk about it, the government is, they said it will be one of their priorities for the next five years, to ensure there is provision of free, affordable, accessible and hygienic sanitary towels to all girls that need this. perhaps today's events showjust how much progress still needs to be made, we have to leave it there but thank you forjoining us live there from nairobi. iam back injust thank you forjoining us live there from nairobi. i am back injust a moment or two with more of the day's main stories, don't go away. hello again. many of us have got some warm,
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if not hot weather to look forward to this afternoon, with plenty of sunshine across england and wales. further north, it wasn't the most promising start to the day. for northern ireland and scotland, here over the last 24 hours some places have seen about a third of a month's worth of rain, so the weather has been pretty wet. also very cloudy to start off with here in the highlands. that cloud is all associated with a weather front which will tend to pull its way north—westwards through the afternoon. eventually, we'll get something a little bit brighter working in across both scotland and for northern ireland as well. it's across england and wales that we see a big jump upwards in data analysed by a group of us temperatures. yesterday, widely we had highs into the low 20s, whereas this afternoon in this sunshine we should see those temperatures hitting around 29 degrees. there could be one or two showers in northern ireland. i suspect the majority of these won't be particularly heavy. temperatures are at their highest across england and wales — 26 to 29 degrees widely. we're into the low 20s for scotland and for northern ireland, with the weather gradually turning a bit brighter. overnight tonight, well,
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we start off with clear skies across much of the uk. it will turn increasingly humid and probably temperatures rising a bit as we go through the night. 18 to 20 across parts of england and wales as we get into the first part of saturday morning. through saturday, it's a day of sunshine and showers. the showers starting off in the west, but will leap across into northern england and scotland, where we have a zone of extra moisture being pulled in from the near continent. some of these thunderstorms could bring 50 millimetres rain, about a month's worth, for some in the space ofjust a few hours, hence the risk of some flash flooding. still hot across eastern england. temperatures higher across northern areas of scotland, with mid to high 20s possible here. through saturday night time, still a risk of some really big downpours for northern england and scotland, posing a threat of some localised flooding. on into sunday, we could see some storms develop across france, clip eastern areas of england, but otherwise the showers and thunderstorms that develop
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through the day will tend to work in from the south and west, still with some sunshine between any downpours. temperatures a little bit lower generally and overall a fresher feel to the weather but, where the sunshine comes through, temperatures still potentially around 23 or 24 in the warmest spots. next week is looking very unsettled with further showers and thunderstorms widely.
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