voiceover: this is bbc news. we'll have the headlines and all the main news stories for you at the top of the hour, straight after this programme. hello, i'mjohn hello, i'm john wilson, welcome to this cultural life, the radio for broadcast where i ask leading creative figures to review key moments in cultural work that fired their imagination and had a profound impact on their own harder. my guest �*s tracey emin, an artist

who has always put her own life at the centre of her work, in drawings, paintings, videos, sculptures and installations, she tells very personal stories. we met in a radio studio in the bbc broadcasting house. welcome to this cultural life. your life is always has gone through your art but wended the art stop? it took off at school _ wended the art stop? it took off at school because - wended the art stop? it took off at school because i - wended the art stop? it took. off at school because i stopped going to school when i was about 13 and i had to go back when i was 15, i went back for three months and i had to do three months and i had to do three days a week by law, otherwise my mum would have beenin otherwise my mum would have been in trouble with social services and things, and ijust did whatever i wanted to do, and i think that's what it was really, it had become me in a serious way and because the teachers took me seriously and trusted me, that was quite a fantastic thing at the age of 15 when no—one else did, and i didn't have much to hold onto

at the time and if i had not done art at school i think god knows who what it does what would have happened to me. mas would have happened to me. was there any access _ would have happened to me. was there any access to museums, galleries, culture? i there any access to museums, galleries, culture?— galleries, culture? i didn't even know— galleries, culture? i didn't even know i _ galleries, culture? i didn't even know i museums - galleries, culture? i didn't. even know i museums really existed, there was something like in my mind, an art museum was where the mona lisa lived or something, it wasn't somewhere where you could go, but saying that, when i was very young, we used to spend time in turkey and i went to a museum there and the hug year sofia and the blue mask and in istanbul, so i had this idea of this other kind of culture but it was partly my culture because it was partly turkish, it wasn't to do without a culture, it was just things that existed in the world, and i remember always being completely, totally spellbound

byjohn the baptist�*s hand, and that was in the top carpet museum, and when i went back, to istanbul, i always used to go to that museum and look at his hand because i thought it was fantastic.— his hand because i thought it was fantastic. tells more about that background, _ was fantastic. tells more about that background, your - was fantastic. tells more about that background, your parentsl that background, your parents are running a hotel? the? that background, your parents are running a hotel? they were runnina are running a hotel? they were running a _ are running a hotel? they were running a hotel, _ are running a hotel? they were running a hotel, and _ are running a hotel? they were running a hotel, and being - running a hotel, and being turkish cypriot, my dad came here in 19 19118, so it wasn't just west indian people that came, it was people from all over the colonies, and cyprus was one of them, and my dad came here in 19118 and he was on his way to australia to see his cousins and he stopped off in england, and his cousin send him a telegram saying don't come to australia, you won't get in, yourskin come to australia, you won't get in, your skin is too dark because they had the whites only thing up until 1956, but

that's really dark skinned, because my great—grandfather was from great sudan, and he was from great sudan, and he was a slave in the ottoman empire. was a slave in the ottoman emire. . ,, was a slave in the ottoman emire. . ., , was a slave in the ottoman emire. . ., ~ ., empire. have you always know that? yeah, — empire. have you always know that? yeah, my _ empire. have you always know that? yeah, my background i empire. have you always know that? yeah, my background is| that? yeah, my background is not anglo-saxon, _ that? yeah, my background is not anglo-saxon, and - that? yeah, my background is not anglo-saxon, and i - that? yeah, my background is not anglo-saxon, and i had i not anglo—saxon, and i had never been brought up in an anglo—saxon way really. so my dad, all his friends, they said come down to margate, and it's just like the mediterranean, so this was in 1968 and my dad went down to margate and bought all these properties, and join them together and made this hotel, and my mum and dad were not married, and my mum, my dad spent three days with us, and three days with his wife, and we always stayed one day somewhere else, and when the big recession hit in about 1919, my dad lost everything, absolutely everything, and my mum, not being married to my

dad and being dependent, she lost everything too, and my dad did not really help us, he sort ofjust did not really help us, he sort of just vanished did not really help us, he sort ofjust vanished off did not really help us, he sort of just vanished off the scene for a while, and we went and squatted in a cottage, so that was in the 70s, and my mum then, from owning a hotel, then worked at a hotel, as a chambermaid, so it was really strange, a reversal of fortunes, and so we went from having lots to having nothing, is almost — almost overnight. initially you studied fashion, didn't you? i initially you studied fashion, didn't you?— initially you studied fashion, didn't you? i left school when i was 13, _ didn't you? i left school when i was 13, went _ didn't you? i left school when i was 13, went back— didn't you? i left school when i was 13, went back when - didn't you? i left school when i was 13, went back when i. didn't you? i left school when l i was 13, went back when i was 15, as soon as i was legally able to leave school, the first of may i think i left, moved to london with a holdall with two david bowie albums and some clothes and got a job in a clothes and got a job in a clothes shop. fist clothes and got a “0b in a clothes shop._ clothes and got a “0b in a| clothes shopi yeah clothes and got a “0b in a - clothes shopi yeah and i clothes shop. at 15? yeah and i sta ed in clothes shop. at 15? yeah and i stayed in a _ clothes shop. at 15? yeah and i stayed in a squat _ clothes shop. at 15? yeah and i stayed in a squat in _ clothes shop. at 15? yeah and i stayed in a squat in warren -

stayed in a squat in warren street, very well creative — very well—known creative names came from that squat and they all went to art school, and i wanted to go to art school, but when i went back to margate and i was homeless, completely homeless, my mum wasn't there anymore, we didn't have a house or anything and i had to live in a bed and breakfast, i was like 17, and that was probably one of the lowest points of my life, being completely homeless and having food vouchers, and i went to the job of thing, and i said i want to be an artist and they said well you haven't got any 0 levels are a levels, so i applied to foundation courses and lied on the form saying i had no levels, and i got an interview, and i got in, and as i was going out the door they said leave your certificates with the office, and i said what certificates, and they said your own levels, and i

could lie on the paper but i could lie on the paper but i could not lie to their faces, and i said i didn't have any, so they said what's in that basket, and in the basket, i had this close i made myself so i showed them all his clothes and they said would you like to do fashion, and i said ok, and ididn't want to do fashion, and i said ok, and i didn't want to really do have foundation course but it was better than nothing, but actually it wasn't, i hated it, so i wanted to do fine art, so i heard joe on the radio talking about sojonker i heard joe on the radio talking about so jonker school of art and the fact that you could go there with no qualifications, you just showed your portfolio and it was a pound per year, so i went to that for an interview and i got the institute of foundation course and they said i was wasting my time, i should do a degree, they wrote me a glorious reference, i did my

degree at maidstone and ijust loved it, i excelled, and i got first, my first qualification was a first—class degree. we was a first-class degree. we have asked _ was a first-class degree. we have asked to _ was a first—class degree. we have asked to talk about the key moments of your life in the most important artworks that have had a profound effect on your creativity in the first when you have chosen is a painting, you saw at the tate. i was 22 when i first went to the tate and i was with some friends and i pretended that it wasn't my first time and i was walking through and i came across this painting which of course i did not know it was rough code, and it wasjust staring at it, and it was a band, andi staring at it, and it was a band, and i sat down and i sobbed and sobbed and cried looking at this painting. it was to me, it was like amazing scene, it was like looking at the most beautiful sunset, but

i felt this painting shake, the most beautiful sunset, but ifelt this painting shake, i felt, it's rumoured, it was not standing still for me when i looked at it, i could feel it vibrate, and i didn't know anything about rothko, it was only later when i did find out about rothko and read about rothko that i thought oh my god, and then i realised something, very early on, that art, true art should resonate, should make you feel it is not a thing, is not an object, it is a true entity, a true thing that comes from somewhere, that's what makes it art. it that's what makes it art. if ou that's what makes it art. if you talk to people on the street and ask her tracey emin is, they would associate you with my bad, or the other work, everyone i ever slept with,

1963- 1985. everyone i ever slept with, 1963-1985. you think the painting has been overlooked? i think i have been overlooked, and i think the painting has been overlooked. i and i think the painting has been overlooked.— and i think the painting has been overlooked. i don't think the peeple — been overlooked. i don't think the people understood - been overlooked. i don't think the people understood the - the people understood the seriousness of my work over the past 20 years, i think they just saw it as are dumbing narcissistic, screaming banshee. narcissistic, screaming banshee-— narcissistic, screaming banshee. ii, ., ., banshee. 20 years ago i was accused of — banshee. 20 years ago i was accused of moaning - banshee. 20 years ago i was accused of moaning about i accused of moaning about myself, and i wasn't, i was making work about rape, about abuse, about heartbreak, about, it's something for everybody to look at and go on my god, let's talk about this subject, let's open this up, and i've always been doing this, and i think now because a lot of me to an moments and people have had to start to listen and industry and commerce has had to start to listen as well, and i think

more people are looking at the work and going on my god, she wasn't moaning, she was, i was actually talking about really serious issues.— actually talking about really serious issues. over the last ear or serious issues. over the last year or so — serious issues. over the last year or so you _ serious issues. over the last year or so you have - serious issues. over the last year or so you have been - year or so you have been incredibly ill, you have undergone several operations. 0ne operation. undergone several operations. one operation.— undergone several operations. one operation. was at one, all at once- _ one operation. was at one, all at one but — one operation. was at one, all at once. but a _ one operation. was at one, all at once. but a lot _ one operation. was at one, all at once. but a lot happening. i at once. but a lot happening. how has that experienced influence the way you work in a sort of work you have made? first of all i haven't hardly made any work in the past year or two because i physically could not stand up so my paintings are really robust, really physical, i mean like really physical, i mean like really charged up, really full of energy and it's almost like the life force, or the energy comes through you when you put the paint on, it's notjust like colouring in or whatever, it's real, so i haven't been well enough to do that over the last year and to be honest i

have onlyjust really started working again.— have onlyjust really started working again. you probably said many — working again. you probably said many times _ working again. you probably said many times that - working again. you probably said many times that i - working again. you probably| said many times that i saved your life. now that science has also saved your life, has not given you new meaning to the art? ., . , art? no. science saved my life, definitely. _ art? no. science saved my life, definitely, medical— art? no. science saved my life, definitely, medical science, - art? no. science saved my life, definitely, medical science, my| definitely, medicalscience, my surgeon was wonderful, a robot actually did all the surgery which is quite incredible, but love saved me. i really think love saved me. i really think love saved me this time. what ou love saved me this time. what you mean? — love saved me this time. what you mean? love. _ love saved me this time. what you mean? love. i— love saved me this time. what you mean? love. ifell- love saved me this time. what you mean? love. i fell in - love saved me this time. whatj you mean? love. ifell in love, 'ust you mean? love. ifell in love, just before _ you mean? love. ifell in love, just before i — you mean? love. ifell in love, just before i found _ you mean? love. ifell in love, just before i found out - you mean? love. ifell in love, just before i found out i - you mean? love. ifell in love, just before i found out i had i just before i found out i had cancer, and i think that made me feel, i made something once that said everything is different when you're in love. and it is, the rain is different, the rain �*s tyrants, and it's beautiful coming down, and it's beautiful coming down, and when you are really moody,

not in love, it's just freezing cold and wet horrible rain, and the wind, everything, when you love, everything is different, everything is much more heightened, everything isjust heightened, everything is just like heightened, everything isjust like really, you know you see colours more intense, everything you feel, and i think falling in love, actually this is brilliant, i was sitting on my roof in spitalfields, my house, and it's very mary poppins and it was during the lockdown, and i had just come back from my studio, working for 2h hours, and i had just come back and it was really hot, and i was sitting on my roof and i was looking at the church steeple and i had a glass of champagne, sitting on my roof, and my feet propped up on the slates, and i thought oh god, i'm so happy, i'm never been so happy in all my life. and then a few weeks

later, diagnosed with almost like terminal cancer, it was terrible. i had my life changed like that, and it also taught me a thing, i think every time in my life when i said i'm so happy, something really awful has happened, but this time, with the cancer, it was such a bad thing, it was such a shock, it was so awful they had no choice but to deal with it. i accepted the possibility i was going to die, i accepted how bad everything was, and ijust thought it right, i'm probably going to die by christmas, i'll just put that over there, and now i'lljust get on with living, and will become even more happy, i become slightly enlightened, like born—again, and i smiling, i was a different person, my whole

soul, something almost like the make up inside my body had changed or something, i don't know, i can't really explain it. ., ~ , ., it. you knew there could be an end. i it. you knew there could be an end- i knew— it. you knew there could be an end. i knew there _ it. you knew there could be an end. i knew there was - it. you knew there could be an end. i knew there was more i end. i knew there was more chance of— end. i knew there was more chance of that _ end. i knew there was more chance of that then - end. i knew there was more chance of that then it - end. i knew there was more chance of that then it was i end. i knew there was more | chance of that then it was me being able to get through it because the cancer, i had squamous cell cancer, a cancer thatis squamous cell cancer, a cancer that is so rapid and fast that chemotherapy can't catch up with it, so the only chance i had was the big surgery, and there's a chance they would miss a beat, but they didn't, touching wood everywhere. why and how did the love help you get through? if why and how did the love help you get through? iii why and how did the love help you get through?— you get through? if i hadn't felt love. — you get through? if i hadn't felt love. i _ you get through? if i hadn't felt love, i would _ you get through? if i hadn't felt love, i would have - you get through? if i hadn't felt love, i would havejust| felt love, i would havejust floated off. felt love, i would have 'ust floated offli floated off. this is a new relationship? _ floated off. this is a new relationship? of - floated off. this is a new relationship? of sorts, l floated off. this is a new i relationship? of sorts, yes, es, relationship? of sorts, yes, yes. yes- — relationship? of sorts, yes, yes. yes- yes- _ relationship? of sorts, yes, yes, yes. yes. i— relationship? of sorts, yes, yes, yes. yes. ijust- relationship? of sorts, yes, yes, yes. yes. i just think i yes, yes. yes. ijust think that being held and being real and having something tangible

on this earth, and it also bent totally married for ten years, so without any affection, without any love, without anything, so suddenly the reality of human affection, everything being real made me think, actually, do i really want to die? don't think so! so i think my willpower kicked in and a sudden way and because i'd accepted this, it meant that i could really concentrate on life, if that makes sense. you had something to live for, something very important to the fore. �* ., ., fore. but not... or obadiah cuite fore. but not... or obadiah quite happily. _ fore. but not... or obadiah quite happily, qc? - fore. but not... or obadiahj quite happily, qc? because fore. but not... or obadiahl quite happily, qc? because i have accepted death it meant that i didn't have to fight which meant i could actually concentrate or live.— concentrate or live. you've recently — concentrate or live. you've recently shown _ concentrate or live. you've recently shown work i concentrate or live. you've i recently shown work alongside paintings, work by one of your other great artists curators, edward monk. was he already influence when you saw the

rothko? ~ ., ., , influence when you saw the rothko? a, .,, ~ , influence when you saw the rothko? a ~ rothko? month, iwas ms monk, i think. 1983, — rothko? month, iwas ms monk, i think. 1983, i— rothko? month, iwas ms monk, i think. 1983, i was _ rothko? month, iwas ms monk, i think. 1983, i was many _ rothko? month, iwas ms monk, i think. 1983, i was many monk. i. think. 1983, i was many monk. i wrote my thesis on him i was in love with monk, emulated and i made crazy painters screaming with wooden cups, burned frames around, i was totally in love with stop i love emotional, traumatised art. i responded to it. and figurative art as well, that was the main thing. your next big cultural— that was the main thing. your next big cultural influence i that was the main thing. your next big cultural influence is i next big cultural influence is musical. i next big cultural influence is musical. ., , ., next big cultural influence is musical. ., ., ,, musical. i was a massive david bowie fan- _ musical. i was a massive david bowie fan. his _ musical. i was a massive david bowie fan. his lyrics _ musical. i was a massive david bowie fan. his lyrics and i musical. i was a massive davidj bowie fan. his lyrics and whole ethos and how he made things and everything meant that you could be different and you could be different and you could be different and you could be outside but he didn't have to be a victim to that, you could use all of that and

you could use all of that and you could use all of that and you could be creative with it. it was cool, it was mature, it wasn't about pop, it wasn't about, and it was about being 0k about being outside. and about art. and about art, yes, next bit of the bowie story which is really brilliant, i was sitting in a lebanese restaurant 1970s or 1976 and someone went over the table and said i am very sorry to interrupt, my name is david and i want to say how much you love your work. i want to say how much you love yourwork. i i want to say how much you love your work. i looked up and david bowie is looking at me and i said, likewise. very cool! yes and we became friends. it was pretty wonderful and it was just amazing that this sort of like the only person i had ever a massive starstruck fan of i became friends with. that's what you —

became friends with. that's what you said, _ became friends with. that's what you said, 1976, - became friends with. that's what you said, 1976, the i became friends with. that's i what you said, 1976, the year before the sensation exhibition at the royal academy so he must have been in the note to know you. have been in the note to know ou. ~' , ., ~ �* , you. he knew my work, he'd seen m work you. he knew my work, he'd seen my work in _ you. he knew my work, he'd seen my work in toronto _ you. he knew my work, he'd seen my work in toronto but _ my work in toronto but also david knew everything. like the man who fell to earth when he was watching those tv screens at everything, he was really like that, and everything, he'd be watching this, seeing about, new about everything contemporary happening, he was totally the person who had the finger on the pulse of everything. at that time i was on the cusp of, you know, being like an artist, if you are in the know you know who i was and he was totally in the know. did he was totally in the know. did he tive he was totally in the know. did he give you — he was totally in the know. did he give you advice about creativity or fame? dealing with fame? _ creativity or fame? dealing with fame? when - creativity or fame? dealing with fame? when he i creativity or fame? dealing | with fame? when he played creativity or fame? dealing i with fame? when he played in ireland and i went with him to see him play, he said, this goes out to my friend, tracy,

who was going to be the most famous artist in the world! and he played fame which was pretty brilliant. i was thinking, what was he going to play? he played fame. i nevertalk was he going to play? he played fame. i never talk about my thing with boeing much because it sounds a bit unreal, really, but yes, i was good friends with him and it wasjust brilliant. to me, itjust made sense that we were friends, just made sense. it’s just made sense. it's interesting _ just made sense. it's interesting you i just made sense. it's interesting you feel i just made sense. it's interesting you feel about your heroes, opening your eyes to new art, did he continue to do that when you knew him, was a direct influence on your?- direct influence on your? now, the other— direct influence on your? now, the other way _ direct influence on your? now, the other way around. - direct influence on your? now, the other way around. with i direct influence on your? now, the other way around. with art| the other way around. with art he really loved my heart that i really loved his music but this sounds silly, because i can't sing a word, i can't sing a note and he'd say to me i could get you to sing, we could do a song together. i've got the

perfect son of the good thing and i said i can't sing, and he said yes he could. i’d and i said i can't sing, and he said yes he could.— said yes he could. i'd almost wished i _ said yes he could. i'd almost wished i done _ said yes he could. i'd almost wished i done it. _ said yes he could. i'd almost wished i done it. was - said yes he could. i'd almost wished i done it. was he i wished i done it. was he serious _ wished i done it. was he serious he _ wished i done it. was he serious he said - wished i done it. was he serious he said he i wished i done it. was he serious he said he had i wished i done it. was he i serious he said he had this perfect song and i wish i'd done it because at least i would have had something else in history with my association with him. do you regret that? yes, i do, and also regret not being an extra with my mum on forms and horses. i being an extra with my mum on forms and horses.— forms and horses. i really retret forms and horses. i really regret that. _ forms and horses. i really regret that. foals - forms and horses. i really regret that. foals and i forms and horses. i really i regret that. foals and horses, the television comedy, how would that have happened? me and m would that have happened? ia: and my mum were would that have happened? i2 and my mum were in margate sitting on a bench eating some jelly deals and discount person came and asked if we'd be extras. i would have loved to be an extra with my mum. did they know _ be an extra with my mum. did they know you were tracey emin? and no, wejust looked call sitting there eating. there are things in life that you think maybe i should have done that,

it would have been fun. nah? maybe i should have done that, it would have been fun. why did ou sa it would have been fun. why did you say no _ it would have been fun. why did you say no then? _ it would have been fun. why did you say no then? i _ it would have been fun. why did you say no then? i don't - it would have been fun. why did you say no then? i don't know, i you say no then? i don't know, i was you say no then? i don't know, i was probably _ you say no then? i don't know, i was probably too, _ you say no then? i don't know, i was probably too, i _ you say no then? i don't know, i was probably too, i don't i i was probably too, i don't know, too, what's the word, self... i was going to set up my own backside, that's what i was going to say but yes, definitely. i thought i was too good to be an extra in foals and horses. howard arranged was i? it would have been classically brilliant, especially with my mum. this is a serious point, as an artist you're supposed to be really serious but i take my work really seriously. if anyone tries not my work, i come down like a ton of bricks. that meant to say i have to take me so seriously or can't have a laugh, does it mean to say there isn't this other side of me and i wish it away i hadn't

have got so hung up on that, i wish i'd had a better balance. you've always throughout your work explore these really difficult, very personal issues. what's revenue to have the confidence to be so candid? if i had family and children and everything, my children were at school and stuff, i doubt, i think i'd be censored, i'd have to sell sensor but i haven't. my whole childhood i had no barriers, i could do whatever we want to, i didn't have to go to school, didn't have to go to school, didn't have to go to school, didn't have to brush my teeth, i could do what i wanted and it's been like that throughout my life as an artist, i have done what i wanted to do. i have decided as i molder that if my work isn't going to be hung in the best museums in the world because it's about rape or abortion or it's about rape or abortion or it's about rape or abortion or it's about to subjects, and so what? it doesn't matter. my art still exists and i will get in to make it about the subjects i think are important even if

their subjects you shouldn't be speaking about or talking about because they are still there, they are within the ether and they're brought to the surface and they implode and there is and they implode and there is an even greater problem. idaho an even greater problem. now ou are an even greater problem. now you are undoubtedly _ an even greater problem. now you are undoubtedly one of the most successful and respected artists in this country and the world and as it acknowledged you faced derision and abuse for years for this sort of work you made. watch review on during those times? i you made. watch review on during those times?- during those times? i have nothini during those times? i have nothing else. _ during those times? i have nothing else. that's - during those times? i have nothing else. that's it. i during those times? i have i nothing else. that's it. that's all i've ever done is art. although ever done, nothing else. so it's always know. if the rest of the world wanted to desert me, art never did so i stick with what loves me. and art loves me, so it's good. what's driving you want now to make more work?— what's driving you want now to make more work? because it'll hel me make more work? because it'll help me get — make more work? because it'll help me get well _ make more work? because it'll help me get well and _ make more work? because it'll help me get well and bring i make more work? because it'll help me get well and bring me| help me get well and bring me back to world fast. so part,

again, is looking after me, taking me forward and is my friend. and also, i hope love is taking me forward too, so there is lots to look forward to in so much to look forward to, i have never had so much look forward to in all my life, shame it's only going to be for another 25 years, but better than nothing.— than nothing. tracey emin, thank you _ than nothing. tracey emin, thank you so _ than nothing. tracey emin, thank you so much. - and for podcast episodes of this cultural life, go to bbc sounds or wherever you get your podcasts. hello there. we closed out our working week

on a hot and increasingly humid story, in fact many areas across the country seeing temperatures mid—to—high 20s, peaking in the southeast with 30 degrees as an afternoon high. that means temperatures not falling very far at all, so the start of saturday morning is going to be quite an uncomfortable one, quite a muggy one. temperatures in london, well, sitting at around 20 degrees already — that's 68 fahrenheit. and with that humidity, unfortunately with this weather front pushing in from the southwest, could trigger off some sharp thundery downpours as we go through the start of the weekend. so dry, settled sunny start for many, but here is that front and you can see the brighter colours denoting the intensity of that thundery rain. large hail not out of the question as well. it sweeps quite quickly north and east, so behind it there will be some sunshine, and in actual fact, across parts of east anglia we could still see temperatures into the high 20s. but still some of these showers quite torrential, large hail not out of the question, and certainly the potential for a lot of rain

in a short space of time. so as we move into scotland, temperatures into the mid—20s, probably that rain not arriving in the far north and east of scotland until the end of the afternoon. as we move into sunday we are still under this influence of low pressure. a bit more of a breeze driving the potential for some showers as we go through the day. so for the second half of the weekend, some rain easing slowly away from the northeast of scotland, potentialfor some sharp thundery rain to move up from the near continent across east anglia and southeast england. we are going to have to keep a close eye on that, still some level of uncertainty in the forecast. top temperatures, 17—23 degrees as our overall high. as we close out the weekend into next week, low pressure never too far away — it looks likely that, as we see these areas of low pressure moving their way steadily eastwards, we lose our southwesterly flow and drag in more of a northwesterly, so our week ahead looks quite unsettled at times. there will still be some sunny spells but temperatures

have the potential to just be a little bit disappointing. so, next week, a little bit tricky. it looks likely to be fresher with some sunny spells, but still the risk of some sharp, blustery showers.

live from washington, live from washington, this is bbc news. this is bbc news. the us government has the us government has committed to sending committed to sending

a new weapons package to ukraine, and it includes cluster munitions. we'll tell you why they're so controversial.