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lam iamat i am at windsor castle and the visit byjoe biden to see king charles has just finished, he has left on marine one to head to the nato summit, we will have all the very latest from windsor castle. the bbc meets the metropolitan police to discuss allegations that one of its presenters paid a teenager thousands of pounds for sexually explicit photos. hello, i'm rajini vaidyanathan, welcome to verified live, three hours of breaking stories, and checking out the truth behind them. we start here in the uk where us presidentjoe biden has been welcomed by king charles at windsor castle. his brief visit to the uk comes ahead of a nato summit in lithuania tomorrow.
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earlier, he met prime minister rishi sunak at downing street, with the war in ukraine high on the agenda. during the meeting — the president described the us—uk relationship as �*rock solid' — with rishi sunak adding that the two countries were the �*firmest allies�*. both leaders are travelling to that nato summit tomorrow. but that meeting with the king is still on going at windsor — and my colleague maryam moshiri is there now. yes, the helicopter on marine one left windsor castle around about 30 minutes ago after what felt at least from what we were looking at a very relaxed and happy and warm meeting between the two men, as we saw earlier in pictures, they greeted each other quite warmly and that was followed by an inspection of the welsh guard and after that the two men entered into windsor castle and
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together they spent we believe a bit of time having afternoon tea or lunch and then discussing the subject of climate change and climate finance and there was a group of people who were financial and philanthropic experts and financiers who had been gathered to discuss the future for the environment and climate change and a bit later, the us special envoy was here but you will hear from him bit later, the us special envoy was here but you will hearfrom him in a moment or two. for now i want to talk to my colleague who is the royal correspondent and you've been across what is happening, do we know how the meeting went between the two? , ., ., , ., ., two? yes, we had a statement about the meeting — two? yes, we had a statement about the meeting saying _ two? yes, we had a statement about the meeting saying it _ two? yes, we had a statement about the meeting saying it was _ two? yes, we had a statement about the meeting saying it was between . the meeting saying it was between the meeting saying it was between the president and the king was extremely cordial and touched on a wide variety of issues of mutual interest and concern, going on to say you will have seen for yourselves the personal warmth
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between his majesty and the president and that was obvious when you look at the pictures of the two men as they arrived in the quadrangle here in windsor castle, conducting themselves in various meetings and there is a warmth, a familiarity, a friendship between them that on the surface seem to definitely be there and that has been mirrored in the statement saying the meeting was cordial and there was this obvious warmth between the two men. that was visible. between the two men. that was visible- we _ between the two men. that was visible. we can _ between the two men. that was visible. we can look _ between the two men. that was visible. we can look at - between the two men. that was visible. we can look at stands . visible. we can look at stands airport now, the split of what happened earlier at windsor and what is happening now and we believe president biden is at stansted airport to then get on to air force one and fly to vilnius in lithuania where he will attend the two—day nato summit. there you go, he is now twice, two for the price of one, always a bargain on the bbc. president biden stepping down from
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marine one and heading home. not home, to lithuania. around a 30 minute journey from here home, to lithuania. around a 30 minutejourney from here in home, to lithuania. around a 30 minute journey from here in windsor. we saw him flying there around half an hour or so ago. before he boards i presume air force one to go to lithuania. , . i presume air force one to go to lithuania-— i presume air force one to go to lithuania. , . , ., lithuania. very much the focus of the nato summit _ lithuania. very much the focus of the nato summit i'm _ lithuania. very much the focus of the nato summit i'm sure - lithuania. very much the focus of the nato summit i'm sure will. lithuania. very much the focus of the nato summit i'm sure will be| the nato summit i'm sure will be ukraine and the future membership of nato butjust before i let you go, if you can sum up, if you like, how important this visit has been for mr biden but also for the king, first us president visit as king. but he will be very familiar with them. yes, his mum of course meeting 13 presidents — yes, his mum of course meeting 13 presidents during her reign, there were _
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presidents during her reign, there were 14 _ presidents during her reign, there were 14 but she did not meet lyndon bjohnson _ were 14 but she did not meet lyndon bjohnson. he will have had conversations about reinforcing the friendship— conversations about reinforcing the friendship which is what the visit was about— friendship which is what the visit was about and today the discussions were private but we can probably bet that they _ were private but we can probably bet that they did discuss ukraine, an issue _ that they did discuss ukraine, an issue both — that they did discuss ukraine, an issue both men have been very engaged — issue both men have been very engaged in and the environment and climate _ engaged in and the environment and climate so _ engaged in and the environment and climate so a very important marker put-down _ climate so a very important marker put-down of— climate so a very important marker put—down of that relationship between the king and the president. thank— between the king and the president. thank you _ between the king and the president. thank you very much indeed and we can bring in my next guest. matthew barzun — former us ambassador to the ukjoins us now. good to talk to you. thank you for joining us on bbc news as you watch president biden climbing up the steps into air force one on his way to nato. from what you've seen of this very short visit, would you call this a success?— this very short visit, would you call this a success? sure. i cannot see the images — call this a success? sure. i cannot see the images you're _ call this a success? sure. i cannot see the images you're describing | call this a success? sure. i cannot i see the images you're describing but i can imagine having been there before. i do think it's a success in your previous guest, the royal
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correspondent, spoke about this friendship and warmth and you certainly statement and i'm sure you sought and images. the thing i'm reminded of at this crucial moment with the intense meetings that are about to happen in lithuania is that sometimes when we see these images, we think that we do things together as countries because your friends and there was a truth to that but more interesting and important i think is that we are friends because we have done the hard things together. that we have done the hard things touether. �* ., ., , ., , together. at that as an interesting oint ou together. at that as an interesting point you make — together. at that as an interesting point you make there _ together. at that as an interesting point you make there and - together. at that as an interesting point you make there and do - together. at that as an interesting point you make there and do you i point you make there and do you think that is one of the key elements to the special relationship that people would say between the us and uk? is that your opinion as well of that shared history coming through in the end?— of that shared history coming through in the end? yes, and when i served there — through in the end? yes, and when i served there in _ through in the end? yes, and when i served there in 2013-17, _ through in the end? yes, and when i served there in 2013-17, it _ through in the end? yes, and when i served there in 2013-17, it was - served there in 2013—17, it was within the first few weeks at the special relationship was declared
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dead by a circulation newspaper in the country because of some perceived disagreement between the united states and united kingdom and what i learned first hand and i'm still amazed by as we should not be afraid of this agreement, we are agreed on supporting ukraine against russian aggression but the differences around how best to deal with that whether it is climate change or rush a's invasion of ukraine oradding change or rush a's invasion of ukraine or adding all the other important global issues we work together on, we do not know that the relationship is rock—solid, we heard that, it is not monolithic, we have different approaches and there is a different approaches and there is a different energy in that relationship.— different energy in that relationship. different energy in that relationshi -. ., , ., different energy in that relationshi. ., , relationship. never has that been more apparent — relationship. never has that been more apparent than _ relationship. never has that been more apparent than it _ relationship. never has that been more apparent than it has - relationship. never has that been more apparent than it has in - relationship. never has that been i more apparent than it has in recent times, especially in regards with ukraine, many people saying that in some ways the uk is almost leading the us on the issue and particularly
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on the issue of ukraine and nato and sending munitions to ukraine, the cluster bombs. 0n those elements that almost feels like there is a different dynamic year. i that almost feels like there is a different dynamic year.- that almost feels like there is a different dynamic year. i think on the second _ different dynamic year. i think on the second issue _ different dynamic year. i think on the second issue you _ different dynamic year. i think on the second issue you raised, - different dynamic year. i think on the second issue you raised, i've| the second issue you raised, i've read about the differences of opinion and 0vi suite is a decision of president biden and his team that they made after a lot of consultation and uneasily if you see it, but given they felt the russians were using cluster munitions against the ukrainian people with something like an unexploded rate of 40% to at the ukrainian dues ones that have an unexploded rate of 1%, then they would have every incentive using it on their own soil not to be reckless and that seemed like a hard decision thatjoe biden and his team—mate and of the united kingdom has a different opinion let's hash out and work it through and that is what we see at the stables and what i'm always impressed by, the coming days of the summit, united states and
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united kingdom sitting next to each other through an accident of alphabet, united kingdom, united states, but of all the meetings that we don't talk about all around the world, yourforeign we don't talk about all around the world, your foreign service officers and business leaders or whatever it might be sitting beside each other tables working through things and they sit side each other not by accident but by purpose because they have the shared values and commitments not to run from these things but towards them. i commitments not to run from these things but towards them.— commitments not to run from these things but towards them. i know you have seen your _ things but towards them. i know you have seen your fair _ things but towards them. i know you have seen your fair share _ things but towards them. i know you have seen your fair share of- things but towards them. i know you have seen your fair share of visits, i have seen your fair share of visits, do presidents actually enjoy the p°mp do presidents actually enjoy the pomp and ceremony they get when the come to the uk? do they like it? i’m come to the uk? do they like it? i'm sure it come to the uk? do they like it? my sure it depends. i knowl come to the uk? do they like it? my sure it depends. i know i served under president 0bama who had a very close and special relationship with the queen and i know that president
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0bama truly enjoyed those moments and can i say may be less for the p°mp and can i say may be less for the pomp and circumstance but more for the human connection of what the queen represented, meeting 13 or 14 presidents, and the wisdom she had, thatis presidents, and the wisdom she had, that is something i know president 0bama and mrs 0bama were drawn to end the same is true here if you think about president biden and king charles, both of them, there is a famous saying america that everyone who gets elected to the senate secretly want to be president one day, i don't know how true that is but let's say it is, he has had a long time in the senate to think about what it would be like to be president including as vice president including as vice president and then you have prince charles knowing one day he would hope to be king so these two men, different as they are, had a long time to think about these big roles and find themselves and talk to smart people and try to get wiser.
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interesting indeed. it has been a pleasure to talk to you. thank you very much for coming the bbc and giving us thoughts today. asi as i mentioned earlier, climate change and climate finance very much in focus for the president and the king and the us special climate envoyjohn kerry, he was here to brief both the presidents and the king on climate finance, being joined in a climate finance conference earlier by philanthropic and financial experts who are here to basically talk through the issues moving forward in terms of the environment and climate change as you know both subjects very dear to both the president and king's heart and not long ago here on the long walk, you can see behind me, john kerry was driving through and stopped and came out and started talking to some policeman on the police forces and we basically went up police forces and we basically went up and stopped him and ask to make a
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few questions about what is happening today and how he feels about the king and his role in the world of climate change, let's have a listen. finally maybe people are realising, this is real. and it's going to get worse. unless we move rapidly to be able to accelerate the transition. you know, it's a very simple problem. emissions from the burning of fossilfuel is creating the climate crisis. and so you have two choices. you either capture those emissions and put them away so they can't harm anybody, or you don't put them up there in the first place. that's the choice governments all around the world face now, that's what we discussed earlier today and then passed on to the president. we have several trillions of dollars of assets that are managed and deployed represented in the group that met today. all people who are deeply committed to dealing with the climate crisis, who are being responsible. and who are funding new technologies, new ways of doing things.
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that's the us special climate envoy john kerry stopping to speak to me here on the long walk and as i mentioned earlier the president as you saw a few moments ago stepped onto air force one and is now on his way to that nato summit that starts in lithuania, in vilnius, tomorrow and we can speak to our diplomatic correspondent. paul adams. what is expected when it arrives there? there is a divergence between what the us wants to see, what the aim of the meeting is and what a few other countries want to see. the summit is all— other countries want to see. tue: summit is all about other countries want to see. tte: summit is all about ukraine's relationship with nato and precisely what that will be in the near future. the nato secretary—general said at the end of last week that he expected that there would be a
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commitment to the long—term arming of ukraine, its defence needs taken care of for the long term and that there would be an upgrading of ukraine's relationship, its institutional relationship within nato, the creation of something called the nato ukraine council, a body which ukrainians would be present and which ukraine can raise agenda items very much bringing it closer into the decision—making process of ukraine, of nato, but also crucially that the summit would make it clear that ukraine will become a member of nato. the question of course is a and how, what conditions should be met before that can happen in the united states and germany see that this should be and germany see that this should be a gradual process that ukraine should meet a number of legal and political conditions along the lines of those that other members have met on their path to membership while
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some of ukraine's allies in eastern europe, the baltic republics in poland in particular, think ukraine should be fast tracked and that should be fast tracked and that should happen now and what is going on at the moment is diplomats are gathering to try and find a form of words that will marry these two perspectives because the one thing everyone wants to avoid in vilnius as some sign of disagreement, divergences within the alliance, something moscow can seize on is evidence that the west's relationship with ukraine is not somehow rock solid as joe relationship with ukraine is not somehow rock solid asjoe biden and others have wanted to portray it, so it is a very difficult diplomatic act and the language will be very vital and there are signs already that they are getting close to a formula that will satisfy ukraine and its allies.— formula that will satisfy ukraine and its allies. ., ,, , ., , . and its allies. thank you very much indeed. and its allies. thank you very much indeed- now _ and its allies. thank you very much indeed. now you _ and its allies. thank you very much indeed. now you have _ and its allies. thank you very much indeed. now you have it, _ and its allies. thank you very much | indeed. now you have it, diplomatic tightrope is about to be walked by
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presidentjoe biden in lithuania but i have to say i am sure his time here comparatively he will see as a lot easier. it has been decades and decades that monarchs here have welcomed presidents and heads of state and it's important to underline how crucial the monarch is for maintaining that level of soft power and helping maintain relationships such as the uk's special relationship with the us and i think most people you talk to who have been watching events here in the uk today will agree it has been very much a success both for the uk and the united states. back to you in the studio. thank you for the moment. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. let's look at some of the other stories making headlines in the uk. a second eight—year—old girl has died from her injuries after a car crashed into a school in south—west london. the incident happened on thursday. the metropolitan police named the second fatality as nuria sajjad. her family described her
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as the "light of our lives". a review into failings in maternity care in hospitals in nottingham is set to become the largest in the uk. donna 0ckenden, chair of the inquiry, is expected to announce that 17—hundred families will have their cases examined. dozens of babies are known to have died or suffered life—long injuries as a result of poor maternity care in the city — dating back more than a decade. easyjet has cancelled 1700 flights to and from gatwick airport during july, august and september. the company blamed constrained airspace over europe and ongoing air traffic control difficulties. it said 95% of affected passengers had been re—booked on otherflights. you're live with bbc news. the bbc is meeting the metropolitan police today to discuss allegations that an unnamed presenter, paid a teenager for explicit pictures. the sun newspaper has reported that the presenter called the young person involved twice after it published its story.
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downing street has said the government will keep a close watch on the handling of the claims. charlotte gallagher reports. another day of allegations, another day of pressure. notjust for this male presenter but for the bbc itself. today bosses from the corporation are meeting with the police. but we understand no formal allegation has been made yet. fresh claims in the sun newspaper, too. it says the presenter made a panicked phone call to the young person, saying, "what have you done?" and asking them to ring their mother to stop the investigation. the family also say they're upset with the bbc, claiming no—one rang them for a proper interview after that initial complaint.
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the presenter is now suspended. but, if an allegation was made in may, why did it take so long for that decision to be made? the big question for the bbc, i think, is are your processes fit—for—purpose? when did this question come in? was it escalated fast enough? why was it, when new information came out on thursday, it took until sunday for the bbc to suspend the presenter? to be fair to the bbc, they would say, "look, this is a complex nuanced environment, lots of questions, lots of issues." let's take a look at the time line so far. friday the 19th of may. this is when the young person's family first complained to the bbc about a presenter�*s behaviour. according to the sun. then, seven weeks later, allegations of a different nature are put to the bbc, according to the director—general, tim davie. on friday, the sun publishes claims that a bbc presenter paid a teenager for sexually explicit photos. then yesterday, the bbc confirms a presenter has been suspended and the corporation is in touch with police. today, bbc managers are due
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to meet with the police. the government says who knew what and when needs to be established. i think in the fullness of time there will need to be a careful review about the chronology of this. what happened when? and i'm not going to cast aspersions. because i don't have all that information. time is of the essence because it's not fair on victims, it's not fair on people who could be implicated and it's not fair on the bbc, which does an importantjob. and i'm not here to, as it were, bash the bbc but i do think they need to get their house in order and they need to proceed promptly, otherwise you will have plenty of collateral victims. for presenters falsely accused on social media, it has been tough. it was a distressing weekend, i can't deny it, for me and others falsely named. today, i'm having further conversations with the police in terms of malicious communication and with lawyers in terms of defamation. this is a crisis for the bbc, with its reputation and the trust people have in it at stake. charlotte gallagher, bbc news.
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let's talk to our culture correspondent — lizo mzimba. why isn't the bbc naming the presenter? there are so many details people don't know about and which may never emerge or take a long time to emerge about exactly what is happening with these allegations and they are of course just that, allegations. these allegations and they are of coursejust that, allegations. of coursejust that, allegations. of course this is an area where the law becomes particularly strongly engaged and there are two areas of law to really consider here, there is libel or defamation which is there to protect people's reputations from unfair attacks so, for instance, if i come as a journalist, said something that was untrue about somebody that seriously harmed the reputation, then i could be sued for libel and have to pay out a considerable amount of money
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and that of course applies to journalists and notjust them but really anyone who has an audience, so the whole world of social media as well and then there is the world of privacy. under uk law, individuals have an expectation, a reasonable expectation, to privacy and that always has to be balanced with somebody else's reasonable expectation that they can say things about other people, their right to freedom of expression so those things are always in balance but the latest case law here in the united kingdom is that when it does come to even a case where somebody is under police investigation that reasonable expectation of privacy is not necessarily taken away because say the allegations eventually turn out to be untrue, if the person had been named and lost their privacy earlier, what had been said about them, what had been put into the public domain could potentially be still devastating for them even
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though the allegations turned out not to be true.— though the allegations turned out not to be true. ., ,, , . not to be true. thank you very much for the moment. _ let's speak now to paul lashmar — former head of the journalism department at city university of london — he currently runs the postgraduate ethics course, and is a long—standing investigative journalist. good to have you with us. we heard about the challenges, the balance when it comes to libel law and privacy. what are the main risks associated with reporting on a story like this? , , , , ., .,, like this? this is very unusual as this is a situation _ like this? this is very unusual as this is a situation where - like this? this is very unusual as this is a situation where it's - like this? this is very unusual as this is a situation where it's not | this is a situation where it's not very often you see journalists, it is normally about evidence and we use evidence to make our case but what we have here is an anonymous victim, a relative who is the main source of the story, and then we have an anonymous accused which is very unusual because you normally look and that someone like harvey
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weinstein and the accused gets named because that is the job of the journalist but the sun have not done that here and that is very concerning because it also puts them in a very difficult position because they, as you've heard, there is a very small number of male presenters in the bbc so they are being deluged with abuse of social media and they have a very strong case to sue the sun for causing the emotional distress, it puts the very difficult position and they probably will get damages from this but the fact is you want evidence which is what you're missing here as it seems to be based on one person's word and we've seen no evidence to support the information or anything like that and also the other thing that concerns me is the main attack of news organisations do have a history of gunning for the bbc and when you
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read the material it is more aimed at the bbc than it is at the person who is accused so it is a very complicated, unusual situation. who is accused so it is a very complicated, unusualsituation. i complicated, unusual situation. i wasjust reading something that one was just reading something that one of the former editors of the sun newspaper kelvin mackenzie said earlier speaking to your colleagues and bbc radio and he spoke about how in the past perhaps the sun might have gone ahead and name to that presenter but of course the law has changed somewhat, could you talk us through that? the changed somewhat, could you talk us through that?— through that? the fact is you can name the person _ through that? the fact is you can name the person because - through that? the fact is you can name the person because there. through that? the fact is you can i name the person because there has been no charges, that is not an issue, it's not a privacy issue in the sense that if these allegations are as serious as they appear to be, they are not breaching privacy in they are not breaching privacy in the sense of breaking any law and this is in the public interest, it will meet the public interest position. this is something that if someone has done something to a person that is underage, it is
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sexual abuse and that has to be out in the public arena and that is where the sun is slightly perplexing meet as to why they are not prepared to name the accused. titer? meet as to why they are not prepared to name the accused.— to name the accused. very briefly, in about 15 — to name the accused. very briefly, in about 15 seconds, _ to name the accused. very briefly, in about 15 seconds, why _ to name the accused. very briefly, in about 15 seconds, why do - to name the accused. very briefly, in about 15 seconds, why do you i in about 15 seconds, why do you think the presenter has still not been named?— think the presenter has still not been named? �* , , ., ., been named? because they have not not enou . h been named? because they have not got enough evidence _ been named? because they have not got enough evidence is _ been named? because they have not got enough evidence is my _ been named? because they have not got enough evidence is my feeling i got enough evidence is my feeling about it. they are being very careful because they are not sure that they have enough to be compelling. that they have enough to be compelling-— that they have enough to be compelling. that they have enough to be com ellina. ., ~' ,, , compelling. ok, well, thank you very much for sharing _ compelling. ok, well, thank you very much for sharing your _ compelling. ok, well, thank you very much for sharing your insights i compelling. ok, well, thank you very much for sharing your insights on i much for sharing your insights on this story. do stay with us here on bbc news. hello. good afternoon. it's looking distinctly unsettled, the weather, through the coming week with showers or longer spells of rain, very few places escaping those showers, but there will be some sunshine, as well, as we've already seen today and as we'll continue to see in some areas. it's really been quite wet
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for wales, for example, already this morning. that rain's advancing northwards and eastwards. further south and east of that it is largely dry and settled, but some wetter weather working into the midlands and northern england. hello. good afternoon. and northern england. it's already heavy rain across parts of northern ireland, some thunderstorms around here. into southern scotland, as well. the north of scotland, some sunny spells and showers. it may brighten up in wales, as well, through the next few hours. it should, to the south and east of that band of rain, stay mostly dry, so, hopefully, a mostly full day's play at wimbledon, with just the outside chance of a shower. but come this evening, then the cloud does tend to roll in. the heavier rain coming in this time across southern parts of england, the midlands, into east anglia. further north, it's a scattering of showers, and some heavy showers at that with rumbles of thunder, and some wetter weather making its way into the north—east of scotland. it's clearly going to be quite a muggy night further south
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with all that moisture around, as well as some heavy rain that will linger into tuesday rush. so, yes, quite a wet start potentially across east anglia, southern parts of england, and that will take a little while to clear. once it does so, i think a slightly fresher day. we're starting to pull the winds in from the north and west. the gusty winds actually during today and this evening and overnight will tend to ease a little bit across southern areas into tomorrow. that change in wind direction notable in the north. still heavy frequent showers and some of them with rumbles of thunder, but slightly fresher air that's coming around our area of low pressure. as that low pressure drifts out into the north sea, we shift that wind direction down to a north—westerly. on wednesday, a fresher day even further south, but some sunshine. but look at those heavy showers — slow moving showers, close to that area of low pressure. there will be some real downpours around with hail and with thunder. there could be some local flooding there could be some local flooding
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as a result of that on the roads as a result of that on the roads with spraying standing water. with spraying standing water. if anything, thursday may be if anything, thursday may be a little less showery with a brief a little less showery with a brief ridge of high pressure coming in, ridge of high pressure coming in, but by friday we've got these next but by friday we've got these next areas of low pressure areas of low pressure and their attendant weather fronts and their attendant weather fronts moving in, so the unsettled picture moving in, so the unsettled picture continues notjust into friday, but into next weekend, as well. continues notjust into friday,
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