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to discuss allegations that one of its presenters paid a teenager thousands of pounds for a sexually explicit photos. we've just had an update on that story and we can cross to our culture correspondent. lizo, what is the update?— cross to our culture correspondent. lizo, what is the update? we've 'ust been told that i lizo, what is the update? we've 'ust been told that detectives * lizo, what is the update? we've 'ust been told that detectives from h lizo, what is the update? we've just been told that detectives from the l been told that detectives from the metropolitan police's specialist crime command met with representatives from the bbc on the morning of monday the 10th ofjuly, that's today. the meeting took place virtually. they are assessing the information discussed at the meeting and further inquiries are taking place to establish whether there is evidence of a criminal offence being committed. there is no investigation at this stage. that follows from what we heard from the bbc yesterday when they said there had been liaising with external bodies, that being the metropolitan police in this case and that there would be some kind of communication between
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the bbc and the metropolitan police, and now we've learned that that did take place earlier today with a meeting between the metropolitan police's specialist crime command and the bbc earlier today this morning. let me repeat the information they have given us, they say they are assessing the information discussed at the meeting and further inquiries are taking place to establish whether there is evidence of a criminal offence being committed. there is no investigation at this time. that news just coming into us in the last few minutes here at the bbc about a development in what has been happening in this ever unfolding story. what has been happening in this ever unfolding story-— unfolding story. thank you for the moment, unfolding story. thank you for the moment. lizo _ unfolding story. thank you for the moment, lizo mzimba. _ unfolding story. thank you for the moment, lizo mzimba. we - unfolding story. thank you for the moment, lizo mzimba. we have l unfolding story. thank you for the - moment, lizo mzimba. we have other breaking news connected to that story coming in now. detectives from the metropolitan police's specialist crime command have met with representatives from the bbc on monday morning. the statement says
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that the meeting took place virtually. it says they are assessing the information discussed at the meeting and further inquiries are taking place to establish whether there is evidence of a criminal offence being committed. the statement ends by saying there is no investigation at the time —— this time. a statement from the metropolitan police just coming this time. a statement from the metropolitan policejust coming into us which says that detectives from the met�*s specialist crime command have met with representatives from the bbc on monday morning. this morning. they say that the meeting took place virtually. they are assessing the information discussed at the meeting and further inquiries are taking place to establish whether there is evidence of a criminal offence being committed.
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crucially, the statement ends by saying at this stage there is no investigation. let's go back to our correspondent, lizo mzimba, who was listening to that development. you were talking about another development as well. a lot on this story at the moment.— development as well. a lot on this story at the moment. yes, there has been a different, _ story at the moment. yes, there has been a different, related _ been a different, related development. one of the things that tim davey, the director—general of the bbc spoke about in his e—mail to bbc staff yesterday was that he deplored what was happening in some areas of social media people were speculating inaccurately at the identity of the unnamed bbc presenter. some bbc names had been named as being this particular presenter and they had gone on to social media to deny vociferously these accusations that they were the bbc presenter in question. 0ne these accusations that they were the bbc presenter in question. one of those people was nicky campbell who
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works for the bbc. we'vejust those people was nicky campbell who works for the bbc. we've just been told... this is what nicky campbell said on his show today, "i am having further communication with the police in terms of malicious communication. this afternoon we have received from the metropolitan police a statement saying on saturday the 8th ofjuly, police received a report of malicious communication in relation to a post on social media. an investigation is under way and inquiries are ongoing. there have been no arrests. we assume that this is related specifically to nicky campbell's complaint about what was happening on social media over the weekend. thank you, lizo, we will be with you again later in the programme. i'm joined by mark stephens, an expert in media law. let's start with the
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statement we got earlier from the met about the malicious tweets, the met about the malicious tweets, the met saying it has received reports of malicious communication in relation to posts on social media. so much speculation swirling around at the weekend, a lot of it on social media. what is the law around that? ., ., , ., ., social media. what is the law around that? ., ., ., , that? the law falls into two parts. firstl , that? the law falls into two parts. firstly. we — that? the law falls into two parts. firstly, we have _ that? the law falls into two parts. firstly, we have a _ that? the law falls into two parts. firstly, we have a thing _ that? the law falls into two parts. firstly, we have a thing called - firstly, we have a thing called twitter libel, twibel, which means anything defamatory on social media can be sued on. there was a lot of speculation, you don't have to say it is that individual, you can say "i think it might be this individual" and if you say it might be this individual and you are wrong, like most of them are, in those circumstances what you're doing is inferring that that is the sort of individual that do this kind of thing so it's obviously
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defamatory. in more serious cases, you get malicious communications are one of the issues has been the number of the well—known —— a number of well—known individuals and some lesser known individuals who are in this at the beginning denied it and people on social media continue to trawl them, they continue to repeat the allegation in the teeth of that denial —— continue to troll them. that remains a criminal offence and that's what the police are looking at, malicious communications because you are not accepting the denial and in those circumstances i think there will be complaints from all of the individuals who are at the epicentre of this now to the police because i've seen examples on social media of people not accepting them and continuing to troll them so nicky campbell appears to have made a complaint but i think it won't be long before all of the other
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individuals who were named and abused on the basis that there was speculation, unfounded speculation, that it was them, i think there will be police investigations into that too. essentially, we cannot confuse the two things. you've got a group of innocent people who are entitled to take twitter libel, twibel, cases, defamation cases and to report the most egregious ones to the police for criminal investigation for malicious communications. 0n the other side, you've got a complaint that was made in may by this individual�*s family and you've got the privacy concerns which both of them are entitled to. both the gentleman involved and the person about whom the complaint is made, they have a reasonable expectation to privacy and that this would not be conducted and they would not be conducted and they would not be speculation in the public domain. and there is a good reason for that, the good reason is that you don't want people
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travelling through the evidence, you want that to be as pristine as it can be to know that when the investigation takes place, it will be fair to all parties. invariably in these cases, there are at least two narratives, the bbc and or the police will have to investigate those two narratives so you've effectively got to police investigations, one about the innocent individuals and the police are making up their mind as to whether or not they want to investigate the other matters involving the presenter and the young man. i involving the presenter and the young man-— involving the presenter and the ounu man. ., ., , young man. i want to put something to ou i young man. i want to put something to you i was — young man. i want to put something to you i was reading _ young man. i want to put something to you i was reading from _ young man. i want to put something to you i was reading from the - young man. i want to put something| to you i was reading from the former editor of the sun newspaper which has been publishing the stories, kelvin mackenzie, who told our colleagues at bbc radio, "in the good old days, they would have been absolutely no doubt that the name would have been there. the tabloids
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are prepared to strike but they are not prepared to wound for reasons more commercial than legal." what do you make of that? i think more commercial than legal." what do you make of that? ithink— you make of that? i think kelvin mackenzie _ you make of that? i think kelvin mackenzie is _ you make of that? i think kelvin mackenzie is absolutely - you make of that? i think kelvin mackenzie is absolutely right. i you make of that? i think kelvin | mackenzie is absolutely right. in july 2018 the law changed so after he stopped editing at the sun, the law changed. people will remember the cliff richard case where there was a raid on his house which was covered live on all major television channels and was also reported in the media. thejudge said, we don't know what the evidence is, i've got to weigh the right of privacy, the reasonable expectation of privacy against sir cliff richard against the right of the public to know. he said, while we haven't established all the facts at this very early investigator a stage, then those circumstances, i think the right to privacy trumps. and so we've never been able to report since 2018 people who have been arrested and
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are helping police with inquiries or indeed serious employment engagement such as the one that we are seeing in this particular case. as a consequence of that, that is why the individual is anonymous. you have this right to privacy, a reasonable expectation to privacy that applies to the individual making the complaint and the person who has complained about. it's notjust because they are celebrities or celebrities are involved, this is the same for anybody in the country. 0nly the same for anybody in the country. only if there is an overriding public interest, for example, a murderer has gone on the run and you want to be able to arrest them quickly, then in those circumstances you can identify the individual you want to stop and help the public�*s eyes and ears to identify and find this individual. but if there is no compelling public interest as there isn't in this case, of course we are
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all interested to know who it might be, but that's curiosity, that's speculation, it's not a public interest in the sense that we need to protect the public from something. the police and the proper authorities know who the individuals are and they are able to conduct their work without doing so in the public domain. that has been, really, the root of the problem here because the family have been concerned, they didn't think the bbc dealt with this very well and as a consequence they went off to the sun and had this all been dealt with in accordance to the usual procedure, which is designed so that everything remains private until a decision as to whether or not there has been enough evidence either to prosecute or to bring employment charges. i want to bring in this statement we've had from the met police. it says, detectives from the specialist crime command met with representatives from the bbc on monday morning. it was a virtual
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meeting and they say that they are assessing the information discussed at the meeting further inquiries are taking place to establish whether there is evidence of a criminal offence being committed and they say that there is no investigation at this time. when they say further inquiries are taking place, what sort of inquiries might they be? they will be the preliminary inquiries and those taking place privately. the reason that conversation took place and it's not unusual in this situation, whether you are working on a factory or an office, the same rules apply. if the allegation or the defence is that there was some criminal offence that might have been committed, whether it is indecent images or blackmail or anything hypothetically, then in those circumstances, the police will have a look at it to see whether or not they want to go further because
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the police have too, as far as is possible, it's best for the police to have virgin territory to gather the evidence. they have proper rules about how they do it, it is examined properly and fairly, and only that which is admissible as evidence is actually relied upon, whereas you don't want in this case or any other case and hr professional trampling through what could be a crime scene so we obsolete police have a first 90, so we obsolete police have a first go, we notify them, that's always done where there is an implication that a criminal offence may or may not have been committed and we let them have a look at it and they say, carry on with your inquiry, or they say please step away, give us your papers and we will conduct an inquiry, so i think the police have been very good to identify there is not a formal investigation, that they are testing the information that they have to see whether or not
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a formal investigation needs to take place. d0 a formal investigation needs to take lace. , a formal investigation needs to take -lace. , . a formal investigation needs to take lace. , . , place. do these police inquiries, albeit not an _ place. do these police inquiries, albeit not an investigation, - place. do these police inquiries, i albeit not an investigation, change the equation when it comes to naming this presenter? lilo the equation when it comes to naming this presenter?— this presenter? no because going back to that _ this presenter? no because going back to that case _ this presenter? no because going back to that case where _ this presenter? no because going back to that case where the - this presenter? no because going back to that case where the law i back to that case where the law changed involving sir cliff richard, when there is a preliminary investigation, until there is hard evidence and someone says, we think there is a possibility of an offence being committed, until that point, it's all meant to be private and so we've all heard of the phrase are helping police with their inquiries so at the moment, individuals including the bbc are assisting police with their inquiries and the police with their inquiries and the police will decide whether or not it warrants being taken further. 0bviously warrants being taken further. obviously it's very high profile, there is a lot of pressure on them and they will want to conduct that process very quickly, but i think they have to do it thoroughly and so they have to do it thoroughly and so they will let us know when they have done that, whether they have decided
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to take formal legal action. mark ste - hens, to take formal legal action. mark stephens, thank _ to take formal legal action. mark stephens, thank you _ to take formal legal action. mark stephens, thank you so - to take formal legal action. mark stephens, thank you so much for guiding us through this story. let's remind you of the breaking news that has come on in the last few minutes, a statement that has come in from the metropolitan police on this story. the statement says that detectives from the met�*s specialist crime command met with representatives from the bbc this morning. they say that the meeting took place virtually, assessing the information discussed at the meeting and further inquiries are taking place to establish whether there is evidence of a criminal offence being committed. a statement by the met police goes on to say that there is no investigation at this time. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. bringing you different -
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stories from across the uk. high up on exmoor — 1,450 feet above sea level to be exact — the fish of the river barle are being hunted, not to be eaten, but to be counted. this stream has everything that a young fish could want from when it hatches. the water quality is excellent. we don't have the urban areas are the agriculture that will impact on it. it really is the lungs of the liver in terms of salmon. it's a pristine environment. mark walker started fishing for salmon here on the ex at the age of six. you can't guarantee you'll see a salmon on the ex any more. it's happening everywhere in every major river in the country. salmon numbers are in catastrophic decline. he blames global warming and exploitation at sea, but at local level, water quality, deteriorating weirs and fish passes and bad planning. for more stories from across the uk, head to the bbc news website. - you're live with bbc news.
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the un's weather agency says it is extremely worried about record high temperatures recorded recently around the planet. the latest data from the world meteorological 0rganisation shows that the world had its hottestjune ever, accompanied by the highest recorded sea temperatures in the north atlantic and the lowest recorded extent of sea ice in the antarctic. if the oceans are warming considerably, that has a knock—on effect on the atmosphere on sea ice and ice worldwide. so, yeah, there's a lot of concerns from the scientific community and a lot of catch—up from the scientific community trying to understand these incredible changes we're seeing at the moment. it's very concerning. let's talk to our geneva correspondent, imogen foulkes. what were the key takeaways from that report? the what were the key takeaways from that report?— that report? the key takeaway is where the list _
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that report? the key takeaway is where the list of _ that report? the key takeaway is where the list of very _ that report? the key takeaway is where the list of very disturbing | where the list of very disturbing records, the hottestjune ever. the latest news is that has now been superseded by the hottest first week ofjuly ever. we have this shrinking seaice ofjuly ever. we have this shrinking sea ice in the antarctic, it's the beginning of the antarctic winter and they have never measured such a small amount so that is a concern but i think the thing that appears, what i took away from that briefing today, to worry the climate scientists most of all are these really high temperatures in the north atlantic. they have never seen such high temperatures and what they said was even the most pessimistic modelling of the kind of things we could expect with global warming did not predict such high temperatures. that could have serious consequences, warmer oceans have less oxygen in them, meaning fish struggle to survive, the marine environment struggles to survive,
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more extreme weather events like cyclones and hurricanes, so that's a real worry and one we can't really quite explain yet —— they can't explain yet. quite explain yet -- they can't exolain yet-— explain yet. there's a lot of theories. — explain yet. there's a lot of theories, is _ explain yet. there's a lot of theories, is it _ explain yet. there's a lot of theories, is it climate - explain yet. there's a lot of. theories, is it climate change, explain yet. there's a lot of- theories, is it climate change, is it il nino. it theories, is it climate change, is it il nino. , ., ., it il nino. it is not il nino causing _ it il nino. it is not il nino causing the _ it il nino. it is not il nino causing the warming - it il nino. it is not il nino causing the warming of. it il nino. it is not il nino | causing the warming of the it il nino. it is not il nino - causing the warming of the north atlantic, it might be responsible for a higher global temperatures and the melting of antarctic sea ice, but they say it is not responsible for the warming of the north atlantic. the thing is, they know that global warming will cause temperature rising on sea and on land. what they don't know is how the sea has worn so much so fast, they didn't predict that and they need to predict that. i came away frankly a bit worried because the
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fact is that scientists are worried. we hear this talk of the tipping point where we cannot, despite our best efforts and we know that we haven't done our best yet, to stop climate change, the tipping point is when we can't stop it any more. i asked doctor sparrow who you play the clip of, is this one of the tipping points? his answerwas, "we don't know, but we are worried about it." . don't know, but we are worried about it.ll ., ., ., ~ don't know, but we are worried about it." image and, thank you for brinuain it." image and, thank you for bringing us — it." image and, thank you for bringing us that _ it." image and, thank you for bringing us that news - it." image and, thank you for bringing us that news from . it. " image and, thank you for - bringing us that news from geneva. —— imogen. an aspiring actor has told a london court how he broke down after an alleged six assault by kevin spacey, whom he described as a "predator". the 63—year—old two—time oscar winner is accused of a dozen charges of historic sex offences against four men over a 12—year period. he denies all the charges. let's go straight to
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southwark crown court. louisa pilbeam is there for us now. this afternoon, we heard from a witness who accuses kevin spacey of the most serious sex charge he is up against. he says that when he was an aspiring actor, he asked kevin spacey for some career advice. he said that he took some workshops with the hollywood star when he was appearing at the old vic and he wrote a letter to him and that kevin spacey actually rang him and said, let's go for a beer. this aspiring actor said he was 23 and he said that he thought he was going for some career advice. he said it was very standard in the industry to do this, to have somebody very successful to give him advice. he said it was a live—in pm when he met kevin spacey in waterloo in 2008 and he said they went for a walk and that he thought it was a little bit strange that they didn't go for a drink but that kevin spacey stopped
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outside a building and said, this is where i live, would you like to come up where i live, would you like to come up to my apartment? he went up to this penthouse apartment and this is when he says that the alleged sexual assault happened. the witness said that he was eating pizza and drinking beer with kevin spacey on a sofa when kevin spacey leaned in and gave him what he called a low waisted hug. he said kevin spacey started rubbing his head into the witness's crotch. he thought it was weird and he tried to divert him by asking about a train set, whether it was from a superman movie. the witness said he fell asleep which he found was odd and later, about an hour ago in court, the witness was cross examined and said he believes he was drugged by kevin spacey, so that's a new piece of information we have just heard.
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that's a new piece of information we havejust heard. he that's a new piece of information we have just heard. he said that's a new piece of information we havejust heard. he said his that's a new piece of information we have just heard. he said his first image of waking up is him giving him oral sex. image of waking up is him giving him oralsex. he image of waking up is him giving him oral sex. he said image of waking up is him giving him oralsex. he said no image of waking up is him giving him oral sex. he said no and stood up but his buttons were undone, he wasn't zipping up and massively in shock. the witness said kevin spacey asked him to leave and asked him not to tell anybody about what happened. the witness said he had been extremely excited to meet such a superstar and that he had respected him. the us actor denies 12 sex offences between 2001 and 2013, including indecent assault and sexual assault. including indecent assault and sexualassault. kevin including indecent assault and sexual assault. kevin spacey denies all the charges and the trial continues. a reminder of our top story, the metropolitan police has confirmed it met with representatives from the
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bbc to discuss allegations that one of its presenters paid a teenager thousands of pounds for sexually explicit photos. the statement says that the meeting took place virtually this morning on the 10th ofjuly. they say that they are assessing the information discussed and they are taking further inquiries to establish whether there is evidence that a criminal offence was being committed. they were keen to stress in that statement that there is no investigation at this time. separately, another statement from the met police which says that on saturday they received a report of malicious communication in relation to a post on social media. you're watching bbc news. stay with us through the day. hello. good afternoon. it's looking distinctly unsettled, the weather, through the coming week. showers or longer spells of rain, very few places
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escaping the showers, but there will be sunshine as well as we've already seen today and this will continue in some areas, but it really has been quite wet, for wales for example this morning, the rain advancing northwards and eastwards. south and east of that, largely dry, unsettled, but wetter weather working into the midlands, northern england it's already heavy, rain across parts of northern ireland, thunderstorms around here and into southern scotland. sunny spells in northern scotland and it might brighten up in wales in the next few hours, and to the south and east of the band of rain it should stay dry. just the outside chance of a shower at wimbledon. this evening, the cloud tends to roll in, the heavier rain coming in across southern england, the midlands into east anglia. further north, it's a scattering of showers and some heavy showers at that with rumbles of thunder and wet weather making its way into the northeast of scotland. it's going to be a muggy night further south with all that moisture around as well as heavy rain that
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will linger into tuesday. quite a wet start potentially across east anglia, southern parts of england and that will take a while to clear. once it does, a fresher day, winds from the north and west, gusty winds during today and this evening and overnight will tend to ease a little bit across southern areas into tomorrow and that changing wind direction notable in the north, still heavy showers, heavy frequent showers with rumbles of thunder, but slightly fresher air coming across our area of low pressure as it drifts out into the north sea, we shift the wind direction down to a northwesterly. on wednesday, a fresher day further south with sunshine, but look at those heavy showers, slow—moving showers close to that area of low pressure, and there will be some real downpours around with hail and thunder. there could be some local flooding on the roads with spray and standing water. thursday may be less showery
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