behaviour of a complaint about the behaviour of a presenter and the welfare of their child, not acted upon by the bbc says the sun. they have seen evidence that supports their concerns and it is now for the bbc to properly investigate. fine concerns and it is now for the bbc to properly investigate.- to properly investigate. one thing we can take _ to properly investigate. one thing we can take away _ to properly investigate. one thing we can take away from _ to properly investigate. one thing we can take away from all - to properly investigate. one thing we can take away from all the - to properly investigate. one thing i we can take away from all the events of the _ we can take away from all the events of the day _ we can take away from all the events of the day is — we can take away from all the events of the day is that the police are going _ of the day is that the police are going to — of the day is that the police are going to make further inquiries as to whether— going to make further inquiries as to whether it a criminal offence has occurred~ _ to whether it a criminal offence has occurred. they noticed we do not use the word _ occurred. they noticed we do not use the word investigation which to them is a higher— the word investigation which to them is a higher level, a further step than _ is a higher level, a further step than the — is a higher level, a further step than the investigative route. it now for the bbc — than the investigative route. it now for the bbc to _ than the investigative route. it now for the bbc to investigate. - than the investigative route. it now for the bbc to investigate. we - than the investigative route. it now| for the bbc to investigate. we don't know_ for the bbc to investigate. we don't know exactly — for the bbc to investigate. we don't know exactly what _ for the bbc to investigate. we don't know exactly what the _ for the bbc to investigate. we don't know exactly what the nature - for the bbc to investigate. we don't know exactly what the nature of - for the bbc to investigate. we don't know exactly what the nature of the l know exactly what the nature of the relationship — know exactly what the nature of the relationship was _ know exactly what the nature of the relationship was between _ know exactly what the nature of the relationship was between the - know exactly what the nature of the relationship was between the young person— relationship was between the young person and — relationship was between the young person and mother— relationship was between the young person and mother who _ relationship was between the young person and mother who spoke - relationship was between the young person and mother who spoke to i relationship was between the youngl person and mother who spoke to the sun because — person and mother who spoke to the sun because clearly— person and mother who spoke to the sun because clearly from _ person and mother who spoke to the sun because clearly from the - person and mother who spoke to the sun because clearly from the letter. sun because clearly from the letter the young — sun because clearly from the letter the young person _ sun because clearly from the letter the young person is _ sun because clearly from the letter the young person is pushing - sun because clearly from the letter the young person is pushing and i the young person is pushing and saying _ the young person is pushing and saying what— the young person is pushing and saying what has _ the young person is pushing and saying what has been _ the young person is pushing and saying what has been said - the young person is pushing and saying what has been said is - saying what has been said is rubbish _ good evening, welcome to the programme.

lots to get into this evening including new information concerning the allegations that the bbc present presenter paid a teenager hundreds of thousands of pounds for inappropriate images. the victim claims nothing has taken place. we will get reaction to all that is evening. we will get reaction to all that. joe biden in the uk today en route to a nato summit in lithuania. the president says relations with the uk are rock solid but there are disagreements over ukraine. floods in north america, and they are running out of water in uruguay. the opposing extremes of our changing climate. the un says it is extremely worried about the record high temperatures. all that to come. we are going to start with those allegations made on friday evening that a bbc presenter paid a teenager tens of thousands of pounds for sexually explicit images. the young person, now aged 20, is being represented by a lawyer —

who has issued a statement in the last few hours. it says: in response, the sun has issued a statement. currently the bbc does not know the identity of this young person nor has it seen the sun's evidence. but bbc managers have spoken today to the metropolitan police who say they are assessing the information and taking a view on whether to open an investigation.

let's speak to our correspondent who is with me. what we have seen here is with me. what we have seen here is one persons word against another. claim and counterclaim. where does that leave us with the story this evening? that leave us with the story this evenin: ? , ., that leave us with the story this evenin: ? , . , ,, , evening? twist and turns. the suns sto from evening? twist and turns. the suns story from day _ evening? twist and turns. the suns story from day one, _ evening? twist and turns. the suns story from day one, and _ evening? twist and turns. the suns story from day one, and remember| story from day one, and remember this has been top of the headlines everywhere in the uk over the last three days. it has been based on a sworn affidavit the sun says from the mother of this young person. we have heard nothing from the young person so far. so this letter tonight from lawyers saying they represent the young person, there were something of a bombshell here. they say not only does the story, the allegation that a well—known bbc presenter paid £35,000 for sexually

explicit images is not only untrue, but nothing unlawful happened and also that they told the sun this on friday evening, that nothing happened. in the statement at the end, for the avoidance of any doubt, nothing inappropriate or unlawful has taken place. the allegations in the sun are rubbish. everything now falls on the sun. they say they are merely reporting the concerns of the parents and they say they have evidence. the question now is what the evidence is.— the evidence is. exactly. either payments— the evidence is. exactly. either payments have _ the evidence is. exactly. either payments have or— the evidence is. exactly. either payments have or haven't - the evidence is. exactly. either| payments have or haven't been the evidence is. exactly. either- payments have or haven't been paid. their route presumably is evidence to back up what the sun is saying which supposedly would be in the statement. so the evidence is on them to produce miss absolutely. find them to produce miss absolutely. and if ou look them to produce miss absolutely. situc if you look at what they are reporting, they are saying the mother saw evidence of statements,

whether they are in their position is unclear at the moment. there will be many questions about what that evidence is and what the story is. it's had a huge impact on many bbc presenters who have found themselves being accused of social media and there is also an investigation, another by the met police looking at it about the question about malicious communication, ie tweets. thinking it is this person or that person. nicky campbell and jeremy vine are two of them, too on their programme today addressing the fact that they had been identified by people entirely incorrectly, entirely wrongly but their reputations torn through the mud. this is enveloping people at the moment and this question here asks many questions of the sun's original

story. tomorrow, the bbc has its annual report which is was a chance for the media to come along and quiz the bbc. there will be many questions i think. the government said today. — questions i think. the government said today. the — questions i think. the government said today, the justice _ questions i think. the government said today, the justice secretary, l said today, thejustice secretary, said today, thejustice secretary, said there may need to be an audit about who knew what and when within the bbc. that focus presumably will remain and some people will point to the fact that suddenly this young person has expensive lawyers, they are a well—known legal company. the bbc still has to be kept with this because there is still potentially a safeguarding issue at stake here. it's an extraordinarily complicated question because they have a duty of care to the young person, they've got to take this very seriously but they also have a duty of care to the presenter and presenters who have found themselves being accused. if it is a false accusation, there are

many people out there spreading names around and there is already an impact being felt on people on many... many people being falsely accused at the moment. so it's a very difficult one to follow a process, especially when the bbc says it received a complaint in may and received further information last last week. does it still have the full dossier of evidence that the full dossier of evidence that the sun possesses? there are any questions as to who knew what and when. ., ., questions as to who knew what and when. . ,, i. questions as to who knew what and when. ., ~' ,, , questions as to who knew what and when. . ,, i. , . questions as to who knew what and when. . ,, , . �*, when. thank you very much. let's seak to when. thank you very much. let's speak to the _ when. thank you very much. let's speak to the law _ when. thank you very much. let's speak to the law expert _ when. thank you very much. let's speak to the law expert with - when. thank you very much. let's speak to the law expert with me. | speak to the law expert with me. good to see you. where do you think this leaves the story legally speaking tonight?— this leaves the story legally speaking tonight? well, i think certain things _ speaking tonight? well, i think certain things will _ speaking tonight? well, i think certain things will carry - speaking tonight? well, i think certain things will carry on. - speaking tonight? well, i think| certain things will carry on. bbc investigation carries on, i don't

investigation carries on, idon't think— investigation carries on, i don't think these things can be dropped. this is— think these things can be dropped. this is on— think these things can be dropped. this is on the basis of one statement by the young person although it does clearly cast a very different— although it does clearly cast a very different light on the entire situation. but i think that the thing — situation. but i think that the thing to— situation. but i think that the thing to remember is the privacy of the presenter remaining in place at the presenter remaining in place at the moment, they are still not being identified~ _ the moment, they are still not being identified. but i think it does show and i've _ identified. but i think it does show and i've been doing interviews all day for— and i've been doing interviews all day for various outlets, an awful lot of— day for various outlets, an awful lot of bbc— day for various outlets, an awful lot of bbc outlets examining this issue _ lot of bbc outlets examining this issue about themselves and one thing i issue about themselves and one thing i have _ issue about themselves and one thing i have been— issue about themselves and one thing i have been saying is when these situations— i have been saying is when these situations arrive, there are two sides— situations arrive, there are two sides to — situations arrive, there are two sides to the story and in this case

there _ sides to the story and in this case there are — sides to the story and in this case there are multiple sides to this story~ — there are multiple sides to this story~ and _ there are multiple sides to this story. and i was thinking of the presenter, _ story. and i was thinking of the presenter, we haven't heard from the presenter— presenter, we haven't heard from the presenter but now, we have had the statement _ presenter but now, we have had the statement from the young person and people _ statement from the young person and people who were being very quick to judge _ people who were being very quick to judge at— people who were being very quick to judge at the weekend have now ought to have _ judge at the weekend have now ought to have been given some pause for thought _ to have been given some pause for thought. the to have been given some pause for thou:ht. ' . , to have been given some pause for thou:ht. , . , i. ., thought. the difficulty you are riuhtl thought. the difficulty you are rightly pointing _ thought. the difficulty you are rightly pointing out _ thought. the difficulty you are rightly pointing out is - thought. the difficulty you are rightly pointing out is that - thought. the difficulty you are rightly pointing out is that we | thought. the difficulty you are - rightly pointing out is that we have a statement from a young person but the difficulty for us as reporters is none of the principal characters in the story have spoken publicly about what they know or what the complaint is. until we have that, the bbc are in a very difficult position because they are under pressure to get to the bottom of this quickly but as david said, it's immensely complicated. it is this quickly but as david said, it's immensely complicated.- this quickly but as david said, it's immensely complicated. it is and i think what this _ immensely complicated. it is and i think what this statement - immensely complicated. it is and i think what this statement gives i immensely complicated. it is and i think what this statement gives usj think what this statement gives us an insight— think what this statement gives us an insight to is one of the early statements that the bbc issued about

this alluded to the difficulties they were having in the investigation and they were referring to the difficulty if everyone isn't co—operating with the investigation or worse that effect. ithink— investigation or worse that effect. i think this — investigation or worse that effect. i think this statement kind of explains— i think this statement kind of explains that, obviously the sun was given— explains that, obviously the sun was given a _ explains that, obviously the sun was given a version of the events from the concerned parents but it may well be _ the concerned parents but it may well be that the bbc in investigating that was then running up investigating that was then running up against a young person who wasn't sharing _ up against a young person who wasn't sharing that _ up against a young person who wasn't sharing that concern, who did not regard _ sharing that concern, who did not regard this — sharing that concern, who did not regard this as worthy of an investigation and may not have been entirely— investigation and may not have been entirely cooperative or may have refused — entirely cooperative or may have refused to — entirely cooperative or may have refused to contribute to the investigation. but there does perhaps— investigation. but there does perhaps explain why the bbc is having — perhaps explain why the bbc is having so— perhaps explain why the bbc is having so much difficulty in progressing an investigation and

reaching — progressing an investigation and reaching some sort of outcome. and so this— reaching some sort of outcome. and so this is— reaching some sort of outcome. and so this is what happens when we start— so this is what happens when we start getting mail statements like this but— start getting mail statements like this but you are right, as a journalist, you would be wanting to speak— journalist, you would be wanting to speak to _ journalist, you would be wanting to speak to everyone involved, the parents, the young person, the presenter, _ parents, the young person, the presenter, in order to try to get some _ presenter, in order to try to get some somewhere towards truth of the matter _ some somewhere towards truth of the matter just _ some somewhere towards truth of the matter. , , , ., ., , matter. just seeing david, an early co of matter. just seeing david, an early cap)! of the — matter. just seeing david, an early cap)! of the sun _ matter. just seeing david, an early copy of the sun this _ matter. just seeing david, an early copy of the sun this evening - matter. just seeing david, an early copy of the sun this evening which | copy of the sun this evening which has been published. the parents of the youngster at the centre of the story say they are standing by their allegations. will there be questions for them? one of the things that someone asked me is why would you take a serious allegation like this festival to the bbc and it's very difficult finding the right department in the bbc because we're such an enormous organisation and then having not got the right answers from the bbc taking it to the sun. why would you not to go

directly to the police?— the sun. why would you not to go directly to the police? people make those decisions _ directly to the police? people make those decisions for _ directly to the police? people make those decisions for all _ directly to the police? people make those decisions for all manner - directly to the police? people make those decisions for all manner of i those decisions for all manner of reasons — those decisions for all manner of reasons i— those decisions for all manner of reasons. i wouldn't necessarily read too much _ reasons. i wouldn't necessarily read too much into people not going to the police — too much into people not going to the police on the face of it because very often— the police on the face of it because very often people go to newspapers for many _ very often people go to newspapers for many reasons, they might well think— for many reasons, they might well think they— for many reasons, they might well think they are going to get more immediate results, the bbc will take it more _ immediate results, the bbc will take it more seriously if they have got a campaigning hard—hitting tough newspaper like the sun because when the sun— newspaper like the sun because when the sun gets its teeth into something then it doesn't let go. that might have pushed the bbc into action— that might have pushed the bbc into action better than going to the police — action better than going to the police. they may not have wanted the police _ police. they may not have wanted the police involved given the fact that there _ police involved given the fact that there child is involved, they don't want _ there child is involved, they don't want to— there child is involved, they don't want to somehow get their child involved — want to somehow get their child involved in the police investigation. there may be many

reasons— investigation. there may be many reasons why parents wouldn't necessarily go to the police but they do— necessarily go to the police but they do want to force action so they io they do want to force action so they go to— they do want to force action so they go to a _ they do want to force action so they go to a newspaper and people go to newspapers and also when they don't record _ newspapers and also when they don't record matter is the place. but i can understand going to the bbc, obviously— can understand going to the bbc, obviously they should have gone into the bbc_ obviously they should have gone into the bbc in _ obviously they should have gone into the bbc in the first instance but you're _ the bbc in the first instance but you're quite right, the bibs is a massive — you're quite right, the bibs is a massive organisation and this might be something of an issue for the bbc to address _ be something of an issue for the bbc to address in the aftermath of this. was it— to address in the aftermath of this. was it easy— to address in the aftermath of this. was it easy enough for someone in this position to make a complaint and for— this position to make a complaint and for that complaint to get in a speedy— and for that complaint to get in a speedy way to the right people quickly— speedy way to the right people quickly so that they can investigate from? _ quickly so that they can investigate from? because one of the reasons the family— from? because one of the reasons the family have _ from? because one of the reasons the family have cited for going to the sun is— family have cited for going to the sun is what they perceived as a lack of action— sun is what they perceived as a lack of action by— sun is what they perceived as a lack of action by the bbc and if the bbc's — of action by the bbc and if the bbc's processes in any way contributed to that... bbc's processes in any way contributed to that. . .- bbc's processes in any way contributed to that... part of the

inuui . contributed to that... part of the inquiry- i'm _ contributed to that... part of the inquiry. i'm reading _ contributed to that... part of the inquiry. i'm reading the - contributed to that... part of the inquiry. i'm reading the sun - contributed to that... part of the inquiry. i'm reading the sun for i contributed to that... part of the i inquiry. i'm reading the sun for the first timejust now, inquiry. i'm reading the sun for the first time just now, i should redo the mothers quite. she says it's sad that we stand by our account and we hope they get their help they need. we did this to help the, the present has gotten into their head. the father said the diffs —— disappointed. it's very much claim and counterclaim and i suspect now it will fall onto their met police to decide whether there is more to it. . �* , , ., ~ it. that's very true and i think the statement. _ it. that's very true and i think the statement, those _ it. that's very true and i think the statement, those quotes - it. that's very true and i think the statement, those quotes from . it. that's very true and i think the | statement, those quotes from the famity— statement, those quotes from the family showing the splits that you have, _ family showing the splits that you have, i_ family showing the splits that you have, i think we should remember the person— have, i think we should remember the person they— have, i think we should remember the person they are referring to now is 20 years _ person they are referring to now is 20 years old now and they are making reference _ 20 years old now and they are making reference to _ 20 years old now and they are making reference to events that happened when _ reference to events that happened when they were a teenager at the

20—year—old person now, they have their— 20—year—old person now, they have their own _ 20—year—old person now, they have their own agency and this is why you need _ their own agency and this is why you need to— their own agency and this is why you need to hear— their own agency and this is why you need to hear from all people involved. _ need to hear from all people involved, you need to hear that what they are _ involved, you need to hear that what they are saying about it in order to make _ they are saying about it in order to make that — they are saying about it in order to make that assessment but clearly the parents _ make that assessment but clearly the parents are _ make that assessment but clearly the parents are very concerned and that is their— parents are very concerned and that is their view — parents are very concerned and that is their view. there child clearly has a _ is their view. there child clearly has a different view is expressed by their statement that you would like to hear— their statement that you would like to hear more. you their statement that you would like to hear more-— to hear more. you will stay with us and will talk _ to hear more. you will stay with us and will talk to _ to hear more. you will stay with us and will talk to you _ to hear more. you will stay with us and will talk to you more _ to hear more. you will stay with us and will talk to you more later- to hear more. you will stay with us and will talk to you more later in l and will talk to you more later in the programme but for the moment, thank you very much. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some of the other stories making headlines today. a second eight—year—old girl has died from her injuries after a car crashed into a school in south—west london. the incident happened on thursday. the metropolitan police named the second fatality as nuria sajjad. her family described her as the "light of our lives".

a 46—year—old woman — has been bailed until latejuly, having been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. a review into failings in maternity care in hospitals in nottingham is set to become the largest in the uk. donna 0ckenden, chair of the inquiry, is expected to announce that 1,700 families will have their cases examined. dozens of babies are known to have died or suffered life—long injuries as a result of poor maternity care in the city — dating back more than a decade. easyjet has cancelled 1,700 flights to and from gatwick airport during july, august and september. the company blamed constrained airspace over europe and ongoing air traffic control difficulties. it said 95% of affected passengers had been re—booked on otherflights. nato leaders are gathering in lithuania ahead of a two—day summit which begins tomorrow. the meeting in vilnius will tackle a wide range of topics, but it is the discussions over ukraine's future membership of nato, that will dominate.

it is being reported that washington and berlin have agreed a form of words for the summit�*s concluding statement, that does not fully endorse a "pathway" to ukraine's nato membership, nor does it talk about them joining once the war is over — which is widely supported by ukraine's staunchest allies in eastern europe. president biden arrived in vilnius to take part a short time ago. we'll be looking at what lies ahead. let's cross to vilnius, where lewis vaughanjones is watching. how much of a problem do you think the german and american view on ukrainejoining nato is going to be at the summit? when it overhangs discussions?— discussions? stressing the importance — discussions? stressing the importance of— discussions? stressing the importance of a _ discussions? stressing the importance of a direct - discussions? stressing the| importance of a direct focused commitment tojoining nato. there is

an acceptance on all sides, of course this will happen once there is a war going on, whilst there is conflict but directly at the end of that, zelensky has been absolutely clear that that is the commitment he is looking for and anything less than that is certainly one to be well received in kyiv. it's an issue of membership, focusing so many minds here because it's notjust ukraine which of course is the single most important one but also sweden, which today, turkeys president ed of one to really raise the stakes effectively throwing an extra demand for what he said he would open the door to sweden joining nato. just to remind you, nato works in a way that anyone who is in the club can effectively block any new members from joining and thatis any new members from joining and that is what is potentially having here with turkey and sweden. today

erdogan said if you open the door to the eu then you can open the door to swedenjoining nato and the eu then you can open the door to sweden joining nato and that has been dismissed by some saying completely a separate organisation. but there is frustration too. i spoke to a couple of seniors for us senators here in vilnius and both used the words disappointing to describe the development today from erdogan. let's take a listen. it’s erdogan. let's take a listen. it's disappointing to hear president aired _ disappointing to hear president aired putting something else on his list but _ aired putting something else on his list but turkey is an important member— list but turkey is an important member of nato and i'm hoping that president— member of nato and i'm hoping that president ed is going to rethink his request— president ed is going to rethink his request and will be able to negotiate with the other leaders at the summit and make an agreement because _ the summit and make an agreement because sweden brings an important

capacity— because sweden brings an important capacity especially in the maritime arena _ capacity especially in the maritime arena and — capacity especially in the maritime arena and the arctic region that we really— arena and the arctic region that we really need — arena and the arctic region that we really need in nato. i�*m really need in nato. i'm disappointed. _ really need in nato. i'm disappointed. not - really need in nato. i'm disappointed. not surprised. i think what we _ disappointed. not surprised. i think what we have — disappointed. not surprised. i think what we have to _ disappointed. not surprised. i think what we have to look _ disappointed. not surprised. i think what we have to look at _ disappointed. not surprised. i think what we have to look at are - disappointed. not surprised. i think what we have to look at are things. what we have to look at are things that are _ what we have to look at are things that are relevant _ what we have to look at are things that are relevant to _ what we have to look at are things that are relevant to sweden - what we have to look at are things that are relevant to sweden and l that are relevant to sweden and nato _ that are relevant to sweden and nato they _ that are relevant to sweden and nato. they have _ that are relevant to sweden and nato. they have an _ that are relevant to sweden and. nato. they have an extraordinary military— nato. they have an extraordinary military and — nato. they have an extraordinary military and great _ nato. they have an extraordinary military and great industrial- nato. they have an extraordinaryl military and great industrial base, naval— military and great industrial base, naval capabilities— military and great industrial base, naval capabilities help _ military and great industrial base, naval capabilities help when - military and great industrial base, naval capabilities help when the l naval capabilities help when the arctic— naval capabilities help when the arctic and — naval capabilities help when the arctic and baltics, _ naval capabilities help when the arctic and baltics, there - naval capabilities help when the arctic and baltics, there are - naval capabilities help when the arctic and baltics, there are 70 i arctic and baltics, there are 70 reasons— arctic and baltics, there are 70 reasons to _ arctic and baltics, there are 70 reasons to vote _ arctic and baltics, there are 70 reasons to vote for— arctic and baltics, there are 70 reasons to vote for their - arctic and baltics, there are 70 . reasons to vote for their session. i don't _ reasons to vote for their session. i don't see — reasons to vote for their session. i don't see how— reasons to vote for their session. i don't see how things _ reasons to vote for their session. i don't see how things not _ reasons to vote for their session. i don't see how things not related . reasons to vote for their session. i | don't see how things not related to their application— don't see how things not related to their application to _ don't see how things not related to their application to nato _ don't see how things not related to their application to nato being - their application to nato being mixed — their application to nato being mixed into _ their application to nato being mixed into the _ their application to nato being mixed into the negotiation, i mixed into the negotiation, hopefully— mixed into the negotiation, hopefully will— mixed into the negotiation, hopefully will work- mixed into the negotiation, hopefully will work itself. mixed into the negotiation, i hopefully will work itself out mixed into the negotiation, - hopefully will work itself out and i also don't — hopefully will work itself out and i also don't want _ hopefully will work itself out and i also don't want to _ hopefully will work itself out and i also don't want to miss _ hopefully will work itself out and i also don't want to miss the - also don't want to miss the opportunity— also don't want to miss the opportunity to— also don't want to miss the opportunity to thank- also don't want to miss the | opportunity to thank turkey also don't want to miss the - opportunity to thank turkey for the partnership— opportunity to thank turkey for the partnership we _ opportunity to thank turkey for the partnership we have _ opportunity to thank turkey for the partnership we have with _ opportunity to thank turkey for the partnership we have with them - opportunity to thank turkey for the partnership we have with them forl partnership we have with them for their investment _ partnership we have with them for their investment they— partnership we have with them for their investment they made - partnership we have with them for their investment they made in - their investment they made in afghanistan _ their investment they made in afghanistan. there _ their investment they made in afghanistan. there are - their investment they made in afghanistan. there are many. their investment they made in - afghanistan. there are many good things. _ afghanistan. there are many good things. there _ afghanistan. there are many good things, there are _ afghanistan. there are many good things, there are member- afghanistan. there are many good things, there are member of- afghanistan. there are many good things, there are member of the l things, there are member of the native _ things, there are member of the native family— things, there are member of the native family and _ things, there are member of the native family and we _ things, there are member of the native family and we want - things, there are member of the native family and we want to - things, there are member of the . native family and we want to make things, there are member of the - native family and we want to make it bigger— native family and we want to make it bigger which— native family and we want to make it bigger which is— native family and we want to make it bigger which is where _ native family and we want to make it bigger which is where we _ native family and we want to make it bigger which is where we want - native family and we want to make it i bigger which is where we want sweden in nato _ bigger which is where we want sweden in nato as— bigger which is where we want sweden in nato as quickly— bigger which is where we want sweden in nato as quickly as _ bigger which is where we want sweden in nato as quickly as possible. - in nato as quickly as possible. confirmation— in nato as quickly as possible. confirmation in— in nato as quickly as possible. confirmation in the _ in nato as quickly as possible. confirmation in the last - in nato as quickly as possible. confirmation in the last few. in nato as quickly as possible. - confirmation in the last few minutes thatjoe biden will meet with president erdogan to discuss sweden.

there also questions about weapon supply. the gulf between commitments made in weapons and what is actually being delivered, joe biden seemed to intimate today that there are shortages for ukraine on the frontline but there are also shortages in the american arsenal as well. , �* , shortages in the american arsenal as well. , , shortages in the american arsenal as well. , �*, , ., well. yes, it's absolutely right and to add an extra _ well. yes, it's absolutely right and to add an extra layer— well. yes, it's absolutely right and to add an extra layer of— well. yes, it's absolutely right and to add an extra layer of confusion, we're talking about two different supply mechanisms. you have individual countries giving their various bits of which inevitably may lead to potential areas of shortfalls in their own supply and then of course there are gifts by nato, trying to come up with a more strategic approach in what it supplies to ukraine. it's really trying to bring these two supply chains together that's part of the

negotiations here and has been in place for a while. the last big summit here outlined more strategic goal and plan and summit here outlined more strategic goaland plan and part summit here outlined more strategic goal and plan and part of the discussions here will be seeing exactly how progress is being made and how things are progressing on that front. you mention weapons so we should probably mention them to a controversial view of cluster bombs. i want to flag up to you that these big screens behind me, you can see stoltenberg giving a press conference so we wait to hear what he says. conference so we wait to hear what he sa s. ., ., conference so we wait to hear what he sa s. ., ,, i. conference so we wait to hear what hesa s. ., , conference so we wait to hear what hesas. ., , . conference so we wait to hear what hesas. .~g , . . conference so we wait to hear what hesas. .mi, , . . ., he says. thank you very much. we are en route to — he says. thank you very much. we are en route to lithuania. _ he says. thank you very much. we are en route to lithuania. president- en route to lithuania. president biden spent most of the day in the uk where he met the king for the first time since the coronation and apparently they spoke about the environment, a topic they find lots of common ground. but the environment is not one of rishi sunak�*s main priorities which

instead concentrated on ukraine and china. there have been one or two disagreements of late which we will discuss in the company of amanda who is with us. a former campaign director hilary clinton as chief of staff for the marine corps. thank you for being with us. amanda, just before you landed here in london, i saw an article today saying after brexit under borisjohnson and liz truss, the uk becamejust so needy there wasn't time to deal with the uk issues it within the white house. do you sense from watching those pictures today at downing street that there is a better relationship developing? absolutely. biden when he shows up in the room this is his gift. he has a really great relationship of building rapport and you have seen him over time one after another when their relationship forms, he comes back again, works through it to stop this trip has been quite the moment for biden, not simply with relationships

with allies, convincing those who might not be as close allies but also the delegation that is coming from the united states hit there as well. there's a sense of coordination and planning together that we haven't seen a long time here in the states but really speaks well to what biden does best which is bringing those things together, bringing that relationship and that's true this morning as well. and we know that the uk wasn't in favour of sending the cluster bombs, neither was germany or canada. there are deep splits over this within nato. but the europeans in particular can't be too critical of the united states because as lewis was just setting out, the united states because as lewis wasjust setting out, there the united states because as lewis was just setting out, there are such problems in supply of arms to the frontline at the moment.— frontline at the moment. you're exactly right _ frontline at the moment. you're exactly right and _ frontline at the moment. you're exactly right and again - frontline at the moment. you're exactly right and again what - frontline at the moment. you'rel exactly right and again what adds complexity to this moral quandary that we _ complexity to this moral quandary that we all face is that ukrainian requests — that we all face is that ukrainian requests to use these weapons on

ukrainian _ requests to use these weapons on ukrainian soil over the implications in relation — ukrainian soil over the implications in relation to russian casualties, you have — in relation to russian casualties, you have the unintended consequences of ukrainian _ you have the unintended consequences of ukrainian casualties which is the bad part— of ukrainian casualties which is the bad part about these bombs. they tend to _ bad part about these bombs. they tend to be — bad part about these bombs. they tend to be picked up by children, hanging — tend to be picked up by children, hanging around for awhile because they're _ hanging around for awhile because they're so— hanging around for awhile because they're so small. and this is a tough — they're so small. and this is a tough but _ they're so small. and this is a tough but i _ they're so small. and this is a tough but i think all countries respect — tough but i think all countries respect the us opinion and may criticise — respect the us opinion and may criticise it — respect the us opinion and may criticise it as a shared but it won't — criticise it as a shared but it won't change anything. obviously it's a two-day _ won't change anything. obviously it's a two-day meeting _ won't change anything. obviously it's a two-day meeting in - won't change anything. obviously it's a two-day meeting in vilnius| won't change anything. obviously. it's a two-day meeting in vilnius in it's a two—day meeting in vilnius in lithuania, 3i it's a two—day meeting in vilnius in lithuania, 31 countries are going to bejoining but the issue lithuania, 31 countries are going to be joining but the issue very much focuses on ukraine and sweden. you are watching bbc news. just saying goodbye to our worldviews but i want to continue the conversation. amanda, this issue of ukraine's membership, clearly came out of the blue for a lot of the allies over

the weekend. the french president who wasn't inclined to support it initially now thinks that it's the only way to deter future russian aggression. what you think will be on the president's mind? wisely decided that now is the time? he’s decided that now is the time? he's had a conversation _ decided that now is the time? he�*s had a conversation and you can feel that the team itself has been working through what we do now, not only around cluster munitions but how do we bring different countries along to what our path is going forward. this is quite sensitive for biden and he has spoken about how fast you can move in a moment like this. not only are you hearing a co—ordinated effort from biden messaging but he's also brought an entire delegation to bring them into the discussion, not simply what happens here but what implications it has going forward as a path gets set. the one to that communication from the very beginning for biden and talking with leaders here in the united states was that there would be very clear on the path forward but be very sensitive that we do not

push anything into a world war iii. he has said that in the beginning and stayed with it. now what you are seeing is a widening of the conversation so that every step from here is more co—ordinated and thoughtful as things become more intense. the first big test of that is a decision to go forward with cluster munitions.— is a decision to go forward with cluster munitions. some breaking news i can — cluster munitions. some breaking news i can put — cluster munitions. some breaking news i can put to _ cluster munitions. some breaking news i can put to you, _ cluster munitions. some breaking news i can put to you, brendan. l news i can put to you, brendan. we've just heard from afp from the jack sweden has backed the alliance. why is it so important they of the line?— alliance. why is it so important they of the line? that is good news. the swedes — they of the line? that is good news. the swedes have _ they of the line? that is good news. the swedes have long _ they of the line? that is good news. the swedes have long possessed i they of the line? that is good news. | the swedes have long possessed one of the _ the swedes have long possessed one of the most professional military in all of— of the most professional military in all of europe, if not all the world. they— all of europe, if not all the world. they have — all of europe, if not all the world. they have a — all of europe, if not all the world. they have a great industrial base and extremely innovative when it comes— and extremely innovative when it comes to — and extremely innovative when it

comes to weapon systems, especially with hi—tech. and again, there access— with hi—tech. and again, there access has— with hi—tech. and again, there access has been a real challenge for nato for— access has been a real challenge for nato for a _ access has been a real challenge for nato for a while with the noise and actions _ nato for a while with the noise and actions of— nato for a while with the noise and actions of russians in the arctic and the — actions of russians in the arctic and the noise of the chinese starting _ and the noise of the chinese starting to make, questionably as to why they— starting to make, questionably as to why they would be interested they want to _ why they would be interested they want to get up there too. so the cession — want to get up there too. so the cession of— want to get up there too. so the cession of sweden into nato is really— cession of sweden into nato is really a — cession of sweden into nato is really a plus across many spectrums in terms _ really a plus across many spectrums in terms of— really a plus across many spectrums in terms of what they will bring to nato _ in terms of what they will bring to nato that — in terms of what they will bring to nato. that is nice and it's nice to comment— nato. that is nice and it's nice to comment on— nato. that is nice and it's nice to comment on some good news every once in a while _ comment on some good news every once in a while christian. does comment on some good news every once in a while christian.— in a while christian. does the white house that have _ in a while christian. does the white house that have leveraged - in a while christian. does the white house that have leveraged over- house that have leveraged over president erdogan? i notice when the adviser spoke on friday, he was very president erdogan? i notice when the adviser spoke on friday, he was very clear that they didn't, they clear that they didn't, they

couldn't give any guarantees that couldn't give any guarantees that sweden would be allowed in. so what sweden would be allowed in. so what has changed over the weekend? i has changed over the weekend? i think there are a lot of think there are a lot of conversations behind the scene is conversations behind the scene is notjust conversations behind the scene is notjust conversations behind the scene is not just from security advisers and not just from security advisers and others, but a lot more conversations others, but a lot more conversations as a whole from other members of as a whole from other members of congress who were sitting in congress who were sitting in powerful seats as well. so there was powerful seats as well. so there was a full—court press going on not only a full—court press going on not only publicly with the press briefing but publicly with the press briefing but also behind—the—scenes at all also behind—the—scenes at all different levels. this has been the different levels. this has been the ongoing conversation. huge news for ongoing conversation. huge news for president biden, he went in hoping president biden, he went in hoping this to happen but the administration was very careful not this to happen but the administration was very careful not to get ahead of the news and make to get ahead of the news and make sure they walked carefully to get to sure they walked carefully to get to the result that we have today or the result that we have today or just heard about. just heard about. to viewers joining us around the world, breaking news in the last few minutes coming from secretary—generaljens

stoltenberg that sweden will be allowed to i notice when the