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he says that the bbc has been asked to pause its investigations into the claims — while police make further inquiries. mr davie has also said that he's asked for an internal review into how complaints are — in his words — "red flagged". the bbc has published a detailed timeline of events in relation to the allegations. we are going to look at those comments in a moment. this is the statement from mr davie: yesterday 10 july, the bbc 5 corporate investigations team had a meeting with the metropolitan police in relation to information provided to the bbc by the sun newspaper on thursday 6july. as a result of this meeting, the bbc has been asked to pause its investigations
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into the allegations while the police scope future work. we know that questions have been asked about how the complaint was initially managed, so today we have published an update that sets out key dates and some additional information that we are currently able to share. the bbc has processes and protocols for receiving information and managing complaints when they are first made. we always take these matters extremely seriously and seek to manage them with the appropriate duty of care. the events of recent days have shown how complex and challenging these kinds of cases can be and how vital it is that they are handled with the utmost diligence and care. there will, of course, be lessons to be learned following this exercise. although the current issues has not yet been fully resolved, the director—general has asked leigh tavaziva, the bbc s group chief operating officer, to assess whether our protocols and procedures are appropriate in light of this case, and report to the bbc board on this in due course.
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there is a lot to pick over as was the timeline that we have been given by the bbc. with me our culture correspondent lizo mzimba, who was on the virtual call in the past hour with tim davie and dominic casciani, our home and legal correspondent. the key point is that the bbc has been asked to pause that alec gage investigation. yes been asked to pause that alec gage investigation-— investigation. yes we had this notification _ investigation. yes we had this notification earlier _ investigation. yes we had this notification earlier in - investigation. yes we had this notification earlier in this - investigation. yes we had this i notification earlier in this whole saga that the bbc have been in touch with external bodies, and that's with external bodies, and that's with the metropolitan police. the metropolitan police had a meeting with the bbc yesterday that said it's not at the stage yet of an investigation, but they are looking at what's been handed to them. the bbc have been asked in the meantime to pause their investigation into what has happened with less, so, it's a case of waiting to see how
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that police investigation, well police inquiry, may not turn into an inquiry, how it may resolve and dictate the timeline and the timeframe of what the bbc is able to do. interestingly, the director—general tim davie, asked people to look at procedures at how complaints can be red flagged earlier and moved higher up the chain more quickly. in this particular case, the initial complaint was made on the 19th of may, the bbc went through some steps which they say was in line with their protocols to try and verify their protocols to try and verify the identity of the person making the identity of the person making the complaint. they said, there is a phrase here, a phone call was made to the mobile number provided by the bbc corporate investigations team. this call did not connect. whether
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that was the fault of the bbc, of the phone was turned off, it's quite a detailed timeline but it does conjure up more questions. it would be interested to know the bbc did not speak to the presenter in question. not until last thursday when the initial inquiry came in from the sun, which the bbc said contains more, what was in the initial complaint and made them decide to take it more seriously at that point. we decide to take it more seriously at that oint. ~ ., ., ., , ., that point. we are going to try and brin: that point. we are going to try and bring more — that point. we are going to try and bring more clarity _ that point. we are going to try and bring more clarity to _ that point. we are going to try and bring more clarity to the _ that point. we are going to try and bring more clarity to the timeline. | bring more clarity to the timeline. dominic, can i say to the basic question? this corporate investigation team is... the bbc, like many organisation _ investigation team is... the bbc, like many organisation teams, i investigation team is... the bbc, | like many organisation teams, has teams _ like many organisation teams, has teams that— like many organisation teams, has teams that deals with things that
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affect_ teams that deals with things that affect the corporation in different ways, _ affect the corporation in different ways, it — affect the corporation in different ways, it could be reputation or criminality... it covers a range of things _ criminality... it covers a range of things lots_ criminality... it covers a range of things. lots of organisations have this, _ things. lots of organisations have this, and — things. lots of organisations have this, and they effectively the gatekeeper dealing with issues which could blow up. this gatekeeper dealing with issues which could blow urn-— could blow up. this is a red flan um: could blow up. this is a red flagging process _ could blow up. this is a red flagging process that - could blow up. this is a red l flagging process that already could blow up. this is a red - flagging process that already seeing here. , , ., , ., , here. yes, very often when you see these, they — here. yes, very often when you see these. they are _ here. yes, very often when you see these, they are staffed _ here. yes, very often when you see these, they are staffed by - here. yes, very often when you see these, they are staffed by former i these, they are staffed by former police _ these, they are staffed by former police officers who have done that 30 years _ police officers who have done that 30 years in — police officers who have done that 30 years in the british police and have _ 30 years in the british police and have gone — 30 years in the british police and have gone on to basically less stressful— have gone on to basically less stressfuljob working in a big corporate world. i know a lot of former— corporate world. i know a lot of former detectives who've gone on to these _ former detectives who've gone on to these careers and major corporations in london _ these careers and major corporations in london in — these careers and major corporations in london. in essence, what the bbc has done _ in london. in essence, what the bbc has done by— in london. in essence, what the bbc has done by creating that team in years— has done by creating that team in years gone — has done by creating that team in years gone by is creative process...
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it kind _ years gone by is creative process... it kind of— years gone by is creative process... it kind of involves process of when complaints — it kind of involves process of when complaints come then, something which _ complaints come then, something which is _ complaints come then, something which is credible, something that is genuinely— which is credible, something that is genuinely there that needs to be taken _ genuinely there that needs to be taken seriously, to be frank, the bbc and — taken seriously, to be frank, the bbc and other organisations, we receive _ bbc and other organisations, we receive a — bbc and other organisations, we receive a lot of prank calls and we need _ receive a lot of prank calls and we need a _ receive a lot of prank calls and we need a way— receive a lot of prank calls and we need a way of filtering out things that simply isn't going to be sustainable as a proper complaint at the end _ sustainable as a proper complaint at the end of— sustainable as a proper complaint at the end of the day. that is the credibility— the end of the day. that is the credibility bed. you've then got to think— credibility bed. you've then got to think about things that are actionable.— think about things that are actionable. , , ., ., actionable. this is where i want to brin: in actionable. this is where i want to bring in the _ actionable. this is where i want to bring in the timeline _ actionable. this is where i want to bring in the timeline that - actionable. this is where i want to bring in the timeline that has - actionable. this is where i want to | bring in the timeline that has been released. on the 19th of may the bbc investigations team assessed the current... based on the basis the information provided, did not include anything of criminality...
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that is right, they've taken things out of— that is right, they've taken things out of come into the team... the audience — out of come into the team... the audience service team had summarised the information they had received before _ the information they had received before passing it on to the investigators. i went there in my mind _ investigators. i went there in my mind about whether something could have gone _ mind about whether something could have gone wrong there, but we don't seem _ have gone wrong there, but we don't seem to _ have gone wrong there, but we don't seem to see — have gone wrong there, but we don't seem to see any suggestion that is the case _ seem to see any suggestion that is the case. what investigations soar than looked a serious and credible, those _ than looked a serious and credible, those below the threshold of calling the police and saying we need you immediately. that then triggered the media _ immediately. that then triggered the media intent to get back in contact with the _ media intent to get back in contact with the complainant. there is an issue _ with the complainant. there is an issue but— with the complainant. there is an issue but the successful contact being _ issue but the successful contact being made with the complainant. having _ being made with the complainant. having said that, because we don't know_ having said that, because we don't
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know the _ having said that, because we don't know the nature of that complaint, it then _ know the nature of that complaint, it then becomes a little bit of a grey— it then becomes a little bit of a grey area — it then becomes a little bit of a grey area about whether it would have _ grey area about whether it would have been proportionate based on what the — have been proportionate based on what the bbc new to the phone bashing, — what the bbc new to the phone bashing, every five minutes, to try and get _ bashing, every five minutes, to try and get a — bashing, every five minutes, to try and get a hold of this person. we don't _ and get a hold of this person. we don't know— and get a hold of this person. we don't know what they were saying about _ don't know what they were saying about the — don't know what they were saying about the present at this point. can i draw about the present at this point. can i draw your— about the present at this point. can i draw your attention to what about the present at this point. (gift i draw your attention to what we've already looked at? just take our audience the timeline and the gaps. you've been mentioning about the 19th of may being quite crucial, it is on the 6th ofjune, it's quite a gap between the 19th of may and the 6th ofjune before they made a phone call, even though it can connect then. why did it take so long? there is a phone call on the 6th ofjune and then again, nothing on the timeline until the 6th ofjuly, dominic. ~ ., g , ,
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dominic. on the 6th ofjuly the sun contact the — dominic. on the 6th ofjuly the sun contact the bbc — dominic. on the 6th ofjuly the sun contact the bbc on _ dominic. on the 6th ofjuly the sun contact the bbc on what _ dominic. on the 6th ofjuly the sun contact the bbc on what is - dominic. on the 6th ofjuly the sun contact the bbc on what is a - contact the bbc on what is a different— contact the bbc on what is a different allegation... that's very im ortant different allegation... that's very important to _ different allegation... that's very important to point _ different allegation... that's very important to point out, _ different allegation... that's very important to point out, new - important to point out, new allegations are being pointed out... go back to what is credible and actionable, these are new allegations, the bbc take them seriously. there's a lot of action in this — seriously. there's a lot of action in this we _ seriously. there's a lot of action in this. we see in this time and at the bbc_ in this. we see in this time and at the bbc initiate a major incident management group to lead the response, a senior management has a conversation _ response, a senior management has a conversation with the presenter, following — conversation with the presenter, following up the sun has said... this— following up the sun has said... this is— following up the sun has said... this is all— following up the sun has said... this is all happening because the sun has contacted... this is all happening because the sun has contacted. . ._ this is all happening because the sun has contacted... that's right, it is agreed _ sun has contacted... that's right, it is agreed on — sun has contacted... that's right, it is agreed on that _ sun has contacted... that's right, it is agreed on that point - sun has contacted... that's right, it is agreed on that point is - sun has contacted... that's right, it is agreed on that point is that l it is agreed on that point is that the presenter would not be on air. the same — the presenter would not be on air. the same day made the allegation...
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the same day made the allegation... the bbc_ the same day made the allegation... the bbc points out something has changed _ the bbc points out something has changed and what they are being told _ changed and what they are being told in _ changed and what they are being told. in the days that follow we see this escalating to wear the bbc, they make contact with the police. it's they make contact with the police. it's not _ they make contact with the police. it's not quite clear what they, but we know — it's not quite clear what they, but we know that the presenters eventually suspended and the police have a _ eventually suspended and the police have a meeting with the bbc. | eventually suspended and the police have a meeting with the bbc. i went on what time _ have a meeting with the bbc. i went on what time the _ have a meeting with the bbc. i went on what time the bbc _ have a meeting with the bbc. i went on what time the bbc speaks - have a meeting with the bbc. i went on what time the bbc speaks the . on what time the bbc speaks the present concerned? the on what time the bbc speaks the present concerned?— on what time the bbc speaks the present concerned? the first winner of this is on — present concerned? the first winner of this is on the _ present concerned? the first winner of this is on the 6th _ present concerned? the first winner of this is on the 6th of _ present concerned? the first winner of this is on the 6th ofjuly - present concerned? the first winner of this is on the 6th ofjuly with - present concerned? the first winner of this is on the 6th ofjuly with a i of this is on the 6th ofjuly with a senior— of this is on the 6th ofjuly with a senior manager held, the first meeting — senior manager held, the first meeting with the presenter. that kind of— meeting with the presenter. that kind of points to a lot of the legal issues _ kind of points to a lot of the legal issues which the corporation faces into the _ issues which the corporation faces into the duty of care. we could have, — into the duty of care. we could have, or— into the duty of care. we could have, orany into the duty of care. we could have, or any organisation could have, _ have, or any organisation could have, 100 _ have, or any organisation could have, 100 complaints in the day for any member of staff. if those
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complaints coming in corporately to an about _ complaints coming in corporately to an about the number of staff —— member— an about the number of staff —— memberof— an about the number of staff —— member of staff, there has to be a filtering _ member of staff, there has to be a filtering process there. they have to say, _ filtering process there. they have to say, we — filtering process there. they have to say, we have had this things about— to say, we have had this things about you. _ to say, we have had this things about you, it has to be fair. tim davie's — about you, it has to be fair. tim davie's point of view is we have to take things — davie's point of view is we have to take things seriously, we have to take things seriously, we have to take on— take things seriously, we have to take on the rights of the presenter, we have _ take on the rights of the presenter, we have done as proportionately as we have done as proportionately as we have _ we have done as proportionately as we have gone along. as it became more _ we have gone along. as it became more clearly the seriousness of the allegation, — more clearly the seriousness of the allegation, we had to speak the presenter. secondly, as part of this, _ presenter. secondly, as part of this, it — presenter. secondly, as part of this, it is — presenter. secondly, as part of this, it is really interesting that the dg — this, it is really interesting that the dg kept emphasising this point. we've _ the dg kept emphasising this point. we've got— the dg kept emphasising this point. we've got to get across their issues relating _ we've got to get across their issues relating of— we've got to get across their issues relating of privacy to this case, the privity_ relating of privacy to this case, the privity of the presenter, the prince _ the privity of the presenter, the prince in — the privity of the presenter, the prince in the complainant and of course _ prince in the complainant and of
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course the — prince in the complainant and of course the privacy of the complainant who was a young person. and also— complainant who was a young person. and also bring into the equation the public— and also bring into the equation the public interest in what they actually _ public interest in what they actually say openly about what is going _ actually say openly about what is going on. — actually say openly about what is going on, so this is a complex balancing _ going on, so this is a complex balancing act.— balancing act. you are in that meetin: balancing act. you are in that meeting that _ balancing act. you are in that meeting that was _ balancing act. you are in that meeting that was held, - balancing act. you are in that meeting that was held, and l balancing act. you are in that i meeting that was held, and lots balancing act. you are in that - meeting that was held, and lots of questions were held about tim davie, you just referred to the lawyer who is representing the young person, one of the questions asked from the sun to tim davie,... do you recall what tim davie said in response? do we know who has paid for the... trio. we know who has paid for the. .. no, we know who has paid for the. .. no,
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we don't. we know who has paid for the. .. no, we don't- tim _ we know who has paid for the... no, we don't. tim davie made it clear corporately— we don't. tim davie made it clear corporately from the bbc, putting yourself _ corporately from the bbc, putting yourself in his shoes, the issue is to have _ yourself in his shoes, the issue is to have a — yourself in his shoes, the issue is to have a dialogue now with the police. — to have a dialogue now with the police, which is now started and passed — police, which is now started and passed on— police, which is now started and passed on information, and for the police. _ passed on information, and for the police, clearly, to look at their allegations and potential wrongdoings and what may amount to. coruorately_ wrongdoings and what may amount to. corporately for the bbc, it is starting _ corporately for the bbc, it is starting to ask who paid for what. dominic— starting to ask who paid for what. dominic might correct me in this case, he is more than experts, when the police look at this case,... they don't immediately... they don't think there is an action that someone... it's pure speculation on this fact. who is paying for this
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lawyer? it this fact. who is paying for this la er? . this fact. who is paying for this la er? , ,, ., ., lawyer? it might be known. can i also ask, what _ lawyer? it might be known. can i also ask, what is _ lawyer? it might be known. can i also ask, what is the _ lawyer? it might be known. can i also ask, what is the key - lawyer? it might be known. can i - also ask, what is the key comments, from the director—general, about the bbc investigation. this is a key line to us. the bbc has been asked to pause its investigation in the allegations while the police scope future work. does that mean, at the moment, still no official investigation? the police are looking into this and making a judgment, is that what is happening? also why ask the bbc to pause the investigation? i’m also why ask the bbc to pause the investigation?— investigation? i'm not remotely surrised investigation? i'm not remotely surprised the — investigation? i'm not remotely surprised the bbc— investigation? i'm not remotely surprised the bbc been - investigation? i'm not remotely surprised the bbc been asked l investigation? i'm not remotely l surprised the bbc been asked her pause _ surprised the bbc been asked her pause there investigation. when there _ pause there investigation. when there is— pause there investigation. when there is an — pause there investigation. when there is an allegation of wrongdoing in the _ there is an allegation of wrongdoing in the police become involved, the
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police _ in the police become involved, the police say. — in the police become involved, the police say, ok suggesting criminality, any evidence that may have _ criminality, any evidence that may have to _ criminality, any evidence that may have to be — criminality, any evidence that may have to be gathered, has to be untainted — have to be gathered, has to be untainted by things that have gone on inside _ untainted by things that have gone on inside your organisation. the primary— on inside your organisation. the primary concern for a detective in this situation would be getting hold of witnesses, in particular witnesses with principles in the story— witnesses with principles in the story and — witnesses with principles in the story and be able to sit down and say to— story and be able to sit down and say to them, writes thom yorke version — say to them, writes thom yorke version of— say to them, writes thom yorke version of events. there is always a risk for— version of events. there is always a risk for a _ version of events. there is always a risk for a police officer in the situation. _ risk for a police officer in the situation, by the time they don't ask an _ situation, by the time they don't ask an organisation to pause their own investigations, to basically step back— own investigations, to basically step back unless the police do their work _ step back unless the police do their work there — step back unless the police do their work. there is a risk that when they sit down _ work. there is a risk that when they sit down with — work. there is a risk that when they sit down with a witness, what they say might— sit down with a witness, what they say might be tainted by things that have gone on behind the scenes with an organisation. they want that evidence — an organisation. they want that evidence as clean as possible without — evidence as clean as possible without any kind of interference. it
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is critically. — without any kind of interference. it is critically, when gathering evidence, with the view of potentially getting this intercourse, their thinking to step down _ intercourse, their thinking to step down the — intercourse, their thinking to step down the road that if this does end ”p down the road that if this does end up in _ down the road that if this does end up in court. — down the road that if this does end up in court, they will have to be able _ up in court, they will have to be able to— up in court, they will have to be able to show the gathered evidence is totally _ able to show the gathered evidence is totally untainted. that is really important — is totally untainted. that is really important in any police investigation. i'm not surprised the police _ investigation. i'm not surprised the police have — investigation. i'm not surprised the police have said that. if you think about— police have said that. if you think about it _ police have said that. if you think about it in — police have said that. if you think about it in corporate terms and bbc, it in some _ about it in corporate terms and bbc, it in some respect is not a bad outcome — it in some respect is not a bad outcome for the bbc. it means they can say. _ outcome for the bbc. it means they can say, look we have handed this over to _ can say, look we have handed this over to the — can say, look we have handed this over to the police, we have been doing _ over to the police, we have been doing everything we think should be donem _ doing everything we think should be donem con — doing everything we think should be done... . ,, doing everything we think should be done... . , doing everything we think should be done... ., i. , ., doing everything we think should be done... . ,, , . , done... can you remind us at this state done... can you remind us at this stage again. _ done... can you remind us at this stage again. why _ done... can you remind us at this stage again, why these _ done... can you remind us at thisl stage again, why these allegations concerning the bbc presenter could
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amount to a crime? 50. concerning the bbc presenter could amount to a crime?— amount to a crime? so, the fundamental _ amount to a crime? so, the fundamental issue - amount to a crime? so, the fundamental issue in - amount to a crime? so, the fundamental issue in this, | amount to a crime? so, the - fundamental issue in this, lucy, is the age _ fundamental issue in this, lucy, is the age of— fundamental issue in this, lucy, is the age of the young person. as the sun has— the age of the young person. as the sun has presented, the young person has provided sexually explicit images _ has provided sexually explicit imaaes. �* ., ., , , images. but the age of consent is 16? in law. _ images. but the age of consent is 16? in law. you — images. but the age of consent is 16? in law, you are _ images. but the age of consent is 16? in law, you are a _ images. but the age of consent is 16? in law, you are a minor- images. but the age of consent is 16? in law, you are a minor untill 16? in law, you are a minor until ou are 16? in law, you are a minor until you are 18- _ 16? in law, you are a minor until you are 18- if— 16? in law, you are a minor until you are 18. if you _ 16? in law, you are a minor until you are 18. if you are _ 16? in law, you are a minor until you are 18. if you are under- 16? in law, you are a minor until you are 18. if you are under18, l 16? in law, you are a minor until. you are 18. if you are under18, you you are18. if you are under 18, you cannot— you are 18. if you are under 18, you cannot make — you are 18. if you are under 18, you cannot make or possess or distribute an indecent— cannot make or possess or distribute an indecent image, and possession of that, an indecent image, and possession of that. if— an indecent image, and possession of that. if you _ an indecent image, and possession of that, if you are a recipient of it, is a _ that, if you are a recipient of it, is a crime _ that, if you are a recipient of it, is a crime-— is a crime. lizo mzimba, 'ust to brin: is a crime. lizo mzimba, 'ust to bring you — is a crime. lizo mzimba, 'ust to bring you back into h is a crime. lizo mzimba, 'ust to bring you back into it. h is a crime. lizo mzimba, just to bring you back into it. what - is a crime. lizo mzimba, just toj bring you back into it. what has been revealed in the last,... can i ask about the position of the sun today? ..._
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today? whether it is certainly -ressure today? whether it is certainly pressure on _ today? whether it is certainly pressure on the _ today? whether it is certainly pressure on the sun _ today? whether it is certainly pressure on the sun and - today? whether it is certainly l pressure on the sun and questions for the sun to answer. there are now back and forth allegations being made. their initial allegation came out on friday evening into saturday about what they say, this well—known bbc presenter had been doing in relation to this young individual. yesterday, we had the lawyer representing the young individual say the sun a's story is rubbish. we received a complaint from the parent... again, it is one of the situation is when nobody is quite sure exactly what is going on. there appeared to be contradictions there went the whole totality of this is seen possible in the future, it may make more sense, but on the face of
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x. make more sense, but on the face of x, 1001 make more sense, but on the face of x, 1001 thing make more sense, but on the face of x, 1001 thing and one thing and another saying another. from an overalljournalistic point of view, the whole time tim davie was speaking, this is in the diary long before the allegations came to light, they sent a lot of the briefing saying it's important to underline the work the bbc is doing. it's an important way to relate to the audience of what we're doing. we also want to talk about these other issues but don't it to impact to the detriment of what has happened. there's this whole transparency issue. what is going on behind—the—scenes, but also transparency and reassurance of the
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audience. today is the first time we have seen someone from the bbc actually answering questions from journalists other than statements being issued. it does beg the question, if they put that much importance on transparency, they should have had a separate session. it is an annual report of a huge corporation and what it does, the bbc wants to underline what it does well and potentially what it does badly and have something completely separate. what may be hearing from tim davie today if it wasn't for this diary quirk that this was happening? would we have had this timeline and the information? it's almost important for the bbc to be seen as transparent as it possibly can. the audience, of course, paid for the bbc, they are incredibly invested in what is the bbc does, and quite rightly. the allegations,
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the seriousness of the allegations cause serious public concern. transparency is almost as important... transparency is almost as important. . ._ transparency is almost as important. . . transparency is almost as imortant... �* , , ., transparency is almost as imortant... , , ., ., important... and briefly, we have an international— important... and briefly, we have an international audience _ important... and briefly, we have an international audience with - important... and briefly, we have an international audience with us - important... and briefly, we have an international audience with us now, | international audience with us now, they're international audience with us now, they�* re often international audience with us now, they're often puzzled in the bbc reports and investigates the corporation.— reports and investigates the corporation. reports and investigates the cororation. ., , , corporation. that is very true, the bbc treats — corporation. that is very true, the bbc treats anything _ corporation. that is very true, the bbc treats anything happening . bbc treats anything happening internally within the rest of the corporation, or bbc news certainly does, the way we treat any other media organisation. or any other organisation. without fear or favour. we don't go in hard because it's the bbc, or softer because it is the bbc. we put in our minds, how would anyone attack the story. one of questions we would ask? —— what are the questions. they occupy a special part in the british public�*s
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mind. there often a greater efforts a greater expectation from the audience that the bbc should seen as answerable to the things the public is concerned about. that answerable to the things the public is concerned about.— answerable to the things the public is concerned about. that is absently how we treat _ is concerned about. that is absently how we treat the _ is concerned about. that is absently how we treat the story _ is concerned about. that is absently how we treat the story at _ is concerned about. that is absently how we treat the story at the - how we treat the story at the moment. we are focusing very much at this complaint time and that has been released from the bbc. let's take you to the newsroom. let's bring in our news reporter courtney bembridge. i want to go through them in a bit of detail. we start on may 18. according to the bbc, a family member tried to make the complaint at the bbc building. the following day, that is referred to the bbc corporate investigations team on may 19. also on that day, and e—mail was sent to the complainant. according to the bbc, but the organisation said it received no response. it
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wasn't untiljune sex or sometime later, that a phone call was attempted to the complainant. the e—mail sent on may 19, then it's not untiljune sex that a phone call is made to try and reach the complainant. from there, there were no additional attempts to contact the complainant. this is going to be key as the organisation faces questions of its handling of the case. the next day i'm going to show isjuly case. the next day i'm going to show is july that is when case. the next day i'm going to show isjuly that is when the sun approached the bbc. it is also on this day that the director—general tim davie, of course the next day onjuly tim davie, of course the next day on july seven tim davie, of course the next day onjuly seven is when the first article was published in the sun newspaper. these allegations we've
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been talking about. on lines, the bbc confirmed that the presenter is suspended. buses is a rundown of all the dates we have according to the bbc. of course, there will be more responses to this, as well, and this picture is slowly emerging. cotton, thank you so much for taking us through the timeline. a bit of a pause there because the three of us are still going through the timeline that courtney was sharing with you and the update from tim davie, the director—general, says the bbc has been asked to pause investigations while the police scope feature work. dominic, you had a point to bring to us about transparency... yes dominic, you had a point to bring to us about transparency. . ._ us about transparency... yes it was very interesting _ us about transparency... yes it was very interesting listening _ us about transparency... yes it was very interesting listening to - us about transparency... yes it was very interesting listening to the - very interesting listening to the director—general this morning, he says he is taking is transparent as
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an approach as possible. he is guided by the law... there are three things that come together in a venn diagram, if this is the right metaphor. you've got the duty of care towards the employee, and that seems pretty clear to me that that is acting as a brake on what is the director—general has been prepared to say this morning about the nature of the allegations. not the processes, but the nature of the allegations. processes, but the nature of the allegations-— allegations. that is the first thin . . . allegations. that is the first thing- -- i — allegations. that is the first thing... i will— allegations. that is the first thing... i will let _ allegations. that is the first thing... i will let you - allegations. that is the first thing... i will let you finish | allegations. that is the first - thing. .. i will let you finish that thing... i will let you finish that point in a moment, to stay here with us in bbc the coverage of the nato summit in vilnius. so us in bbc the coverage of the nato summit in vilnius.— summit in vilnius. so we have this issue where _ summit in vilnius. so we have this issue where the _ summit in vilnius. so we have this issue where the director-general l issue where the director—general
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says he has concerns and a duty of care towards the employee, and that is going to access a break of what he is prepared to put in the public domain. about the nature of the allegations which first came in may. from us, as curious reporters, that doesn't particularly help us because we are trying to understand why there was such a gap between an allegation coming in and an attempt to contact the complainant which didn't go anywhere. should they have not made more calls? should they have not tried more persistently to get a whole of the complainant? but we don't know the nature of the complaints. the transparency thing then goes further into further elements. this is where the director—general is being guided by the law. it's about privacy and public interest. in this case,
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the... it's pretty clear the bbc will not be naming that individual. it's partly because of the duty of care, and because this is an employment issue which may end up in proceedings. there is reasonable expectations of privacy. the law in england and wales says that we all have a reasonable expectation of privacy. given last night, battle lawyer of the young person says it is rubbish, there is no unlawful activity, and no one has actually seen any kind of had evidence of the allegations... bud seen any kind of had evidence of the allegations- - -— allegations... and that is one of the big issues _ allegations... and that is one of the big issues about _ allegations... and that is one of the big issues about reporting i allegations... and that is one of| the big issues about reporting on the big issues about reporting on the story for us, there's so little that we know, actually... find the story for us, there's so little that we know, actually... and that makes it very _ that we know, actually... and that makes it very hard _ that we know, actually... and that makes it very hard when _ that we know, actually... and that makes it very hard when you - that we know, actually... and that makes it very hard when you thinkj makes it very hard when you think about the law to tip the balance from privacy to public interest. you can get to a point in the law when
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there is such an overriding public interest that it team roles privacy out of the way because the public must know what is going on because it is so, so serious. clearly, in the director—general�*s mind, we are nowhere near that point. that's where the privacy and duty of care things come together, legalistic clay, as the head of cooperation is putting a brake there of potentially naming the presenter are providing more details about size circumstances. it's difficult to see in the coming days whether or not, i can't see how the director—general is going to identify this presenter. i can't see it happening. flan is going to identify this presenter. i can't see it happening.— can you i can't see it happening. can you brin: us i can't see it happening. can you i can't see it happening. can you brin: us i can't see it happening. can you bring us some — i can't see it happening. can you bring us some of— i can't see it happening. can you bring us some of the _ i can't see it happening. can you bring us some of the more - bring us some — i can't see it happening. can you bring us some of— i can't see it happening. can you bring us some of the _ i can't see it happening. can you bring us some of the more - i can't see it happening. can you bring us some of the more newsj i can't see it happening. can you - bring us some of the more news lines that came out of the tim davie i can't see it happening. can you bring us some of the more newsj i can't see it happening. can you - bring us some of the more news lines that came out of the tim davie conversation. i'm seeing the daily conversation. i'm seeing the daily mail saying he is hopeful that the
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that came out of the tim davie conversation. i'n hopeful the daily that came out of the tim davie conversation. i'n hopeful thatiaily that came out of the tim davie conversation. i'n hopeful that the mail saying he is hopeful that the presenter will be back on earth he presenter will be back on earth he is clear. there must have been other is there must have been other questions about damage to the bbc? is clear. there must have been other questions about damage to the bbc? he said there is a fair process... he said there is a fair process... he said there is a fair process... he was— he said there is a fair process... he was also— he said there is a fair process... he said there is a fair process... he was— he said there is a fair process... he was also— he said there is a fair process... he was also inevitably asked about, investigation. presenter. he was also inevitably asked about, does he _ he was also inevitably asked about, does he think this has had an impact does he _ he was also inevitably asked about, does he think this has had an impact on trust _ on trust _ does he think this has had an impact on trust in _ does he think this has had an impact on trust in the bbc? he said, on trust in the bbc? he said, clearly. — on trust in the bbc? he said, clearly, something of this nature is very serious — clearly. — clearly, something of this nature is very serious when it comes to the reputation — very serious when it comes to the reputation of the bbc. he thinks it on trust in the bbc? he said, clearly. i of _ on trust in the bbc? he said, clearly, of the he thinks it is too _ reputation of the bbc. he thinks it is too early— reputation of the bbc. he thinks it is too early to see how it will affect — is too early to see how it will affect trust. welcome to bbc news. the director—general of the bbc says that after a meeting with the police they have been asked to post their
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