let's take a moment investigation. let's take a moment to recap the key events which we now know. the bbc may choose two attempts over several weeks to contact a family who made what it described as a serious complaint about a bbc presenter. this was that the presenter paid a young person for explicit photos. the lawyer representing that young person has dismissed their version of events put forward by their mother, as rubbish. the presenter has been suspended but has not been identified by either the bbc, the sun newspaper or anyone else familiar with the allegations. in terms of the timeline, the initial contact was made on the 18th of may. the corporation's investigative team sent an e—mail to the complainant on the 19th of may, and when the bbc tried to follow up: the 6th ofjune it failed to connect. the bbc has promised a rigorous and swift

investigation, but it has posed this at the request of the police while they make inquiries. let's go live to a former managing editor at sky news and director of broadcasting at city university of london. there is a lot to digest here. have you managed to look at the timeline, and also the statement from the director—general? the problem is, the initial complaints, whether or not it was taken seriously, the allegation from the other side of the story is because the presenter, bbc top presenter, the allegations weren't taken seriously. fine

presenter, the allegations weren't taken seriously.— taken seriously. one of the things it would be _ taken seriously. one of the things it would be interesting _ taken seriously. one of the things it would be interesting to - taken seriously. one of the things it would be interesting to know. taken seriously. one of the things it would be interesting to know is| it would be interesting to know is how often people make allegations, spurious or otherwise, about presenters. tim davie obviously feels that more should have been done. that has to be investigated. as your previous guests have been set there is a duty of care to the presenter and also the question of privacy and defamation. it is a complicated story made more complicated story made more complicated by the announcement last night that the young person said nothing untoward happened. of course, there is a potential difference between what they feel is untoward and what the public with the bbc feel is untoward. things can be maybe a bit tawdry or sleazy without being illegal. there is a real grey area here. it is a complicated one. i think tim davie

has come clean about it and has expressed exactly what needs to happen. expressed exactly what needs to ha . en, , , ., , , expressed exactly what needs to hauen. , , ., happen. lessons will be learned followinu happen. lessons will be learned following this _ happen. lessons will be learned following this exercise, - happen. lessons will be learned following this exercise, he - happen. lessons will be learned following this exercise, he has l following this exercise, he has stated that already. what do you make of how he has handled this and the bbc has handled this so far? it is easy to criticise the bbc. the bbc is a publicly funded organisation, unique in the world, so it will get flak. the commercial section is very interested in giving the bbc a hard time because it gets all this public money. the bbc does have to keep its nose clean, be accountable. it is a difficult one, but i think, by and large, it has been handled quite well. they had to keep the name of the person a secret for obvious privacy and defamation reasons and i think by coming out today and you simply annual report as a platform for that and saying

there is going to be an investigation, that is good. i'm not sure he will do the investigation, that will be interesting. something similar but not that similar happened to itv recently. they very quickly said they were bringing in an independent barrister to investigate. i would like to know who tim davie is going to bring in. the police need freedom to go ahead with their investigation. but things are happening. with their investigation. but things are happening-— are happening. trust and transparency, _ are happening. trust and transparency, two - are happening. trust and transparency, two of - are happening. trust and transparency, two of the | are happening. trust and _ transparency, two of the cornerstone things we do here at the bbc. it is absolutely fundamental to the work that goes on every minute in this building and inner bureaus and offices around the world. do you think this in any way it's going to affect the reputation of the bbc journalism?— affect the reputation of the bbc “ournalism? . , ., , journalism? that is an interesting one. we journalism? that is an interesting one- we don't _ journalism? that is an interesting one. we don't know— journalism? that is an interesting one. we don't know for _

journalism? that is an interesting one. we don't know for sure - journalism? that is an interesting one. we don't know for sure what this presenter does. if this presenter does... if it is somebody who his very famous, or a* who isn't on that often, that wouldn't be quite as important. it depends on the role this person place. that will be an issue for speculation for some time to come. if this person has a major role and this public facing, it is very important that the bbc addresses this. particularly in the news. if there is a feeling that the person delivering the news cannot be trusted, of course that will damage trust, for sure. what will damage trust, for sure. what kind of journalists _ will damage trust, for sure. what kind of journalists were _ will damage trust, for sure. what kind ofjournalists were asking tim davie around the bbc was there were a lot of technical questions, but then a general explanation of how

this will effect the bbc projecting into the future. he this will effect the bbc pro'ecting into the future.�* this will effect the bbc pro'ecting into the future. he was asked, what will happen. — into the future. he was asked, what will happen. will— into the future. he was asked, what will happen, will this _ into the future. he was asked, what will happen, will this have _ into the future. he was asked, what will happen, will this have an - will happen, will this have an effect — will happen, will this have an effect on _ will happen, will this have an effect on the trust the bbc enjoys with its_ effect on the trust the bbc enjoys with its audience? tim davie said clearly— with its audience? tim davie said clearly an— with its audience? tim davie said clearly an affair of this nature is very— clearly an affair of this nature is very serious, with regard to the bbc? _ very serious, with regard to the bbc? reputation, but said it was too early to— bbc? reputation, but said it was too early to say— bbc? reputation, but said it was too early to say how it will affect trust — early to say how it will affect trust beyond these days. he also said that — trust beyond these days. he also said that when you look at the free, impartial— said that when you look at the free, impartial reporting that bbc news is doin- impartial reporting that bbc news is doing on_ impartial reporting that bbc news is doing on the story about the wider bbc, _ doing on the story about the wider bbc, he _ doing on the story about the wider bbc, he said he thought that kind of thin- bbc, he said he thought that kind of thing actually helped bolster people because _ thing actually helped bolster people because my trust in the bbc as an institution — because my trust in the bbc as an institution generally.— institution generally. thank you both for institution generally. thank you both fervour— institution generally. thank you both for your thoughts. - institution generally. thank you both for your thoughts. good i institution generally. thank you j both for your thoughts. good to institution generally. thank you - both for your thoughts. good to have you with us. we have another big story to bring you here on bbc news, live reaction and development coming from vilnius in lithuania. leaders are therefore are summit. we have just had the family photo. there is

so much for the leaders to discuss. we have another big story to bring you here on bbc news, live reaction and development coming from vilnius in lithuania. plenty for leaders to discuss, above all ukraine which wants nato membership, though it accepts that it can'tjoin while the war against russia continues. sweden is also on the verge of membership, after turkey removed its objection. my colleague lewis vaughanjones is there for us now. lucy, thank you so much. these world leaders, these nato leaders are talking right now. theirfirst leaders, these nato leaders are talking right now. their first full conversations. the press isn't allowed in for the meeting, obviously, but it is allowed in just for the first few minutes. in the last hour we had jens stoltenberg opening the meeting and doing some welcomes. anyone who states through a lot of meetings know that the welcomes aren't the most interesting bet. this time, they entered welcomed finland to its first

meeting as a full—blown member. they also welcome sweden, saying that they hope to be a member very soon. one country's later he isn't around the table is volodymyr zelensky, of course ukraine is not a member of nato yet. that is one of the big issues they will be talking about. i also expect that allies will send a clear and positive message on the path forward towards membership for ukraine. i have proposed a package of three elements with more practical support, with a multi—year programme to ensure full interoperability between the ukrainian forces and the nato forces. this will move ukraine closer to nato.

world leaders have been flying in this morning. they are all in that meeting now. rishi sunak was one of those. he has been emphasising that long—term support for ukraine. i think the last 500 days of putin's war in ukraine has reminded us of the enduring unity and importance of this very special military alliance, which the uk has been at the heart of for the entire time of its existence. i think the priorities for this summit are to strengthen that alliance so that we can face the threats of the future and protect ourselves adequately against them, but also to continue supporting ukraine in the face of russian aggression so that they can continue to fight for theirfreedom. so general messages of support will come from everyone. it is issues

like this that will be picked over and discussed, ukraine potentially joining nato. i have a couple of guests to talk to me about that now. anna, lets start with you, that issue of ukraine joining anna, lets start with you, that issue of ukrainejoining nato. ukraine once firm commitments about timelines. will they be happy? it seems a very difficult question. we know leaders are struggling with this right now and volodymyr zelensky seems to be quite upset not to even get an invitation to join nato. in 2008 nato did say that ukraine would become a member of nato, not defining when or how. this is what ukraine is lacking now, something more specific to hold onto, to give them hope and a clear

road map for nato membership. so frustrated president zelensky right now. charlie, one of the arguments being put forward is if you give ukraine a guarantee that as soon as the war russia stops, that is an incentive then for vladimir putin to keep the fighting going. does incentive then for vladimir putin to keep the fighting going.— keep the fighting going. does that an ument keep the fighting going. does that argument totally _ keep the fighting going. does that argument totally merit? _ keep the fighting going. does that l argument totally merit? absolutely. vladimir— argument totally merit? absolutely. vladimir putin kept the war going from _ vladimir putin kept the war going from 2014— vladimir putin kept the war going from 2014 onwards, we have seen what is happening _ from 2014 onwards, we have seen what is happening in georgia. he would have a _ is happening in georgia. he would have a hard — is happening in georgia. he would have a hard time accepting a peace agreement— have a hard time accepting a peace agreement knowing that the net result of that would be that ukraine becomes— result of that would be that ukraine becomes immediately nato member. but what i becomes immediately nato member. but what i do _ becomes immediately nato member. but what i do think is important is to -ive what i do think is important is to give ukraine a sense, maybe not of guarantees, — give ukraine a sense, maybe not of guarantees, but what swindon —— what sweden _ guarantees, but what swindon —— what sweden and _ guarantees, but what swindon —— what sweden and finland got, assurances that if— sweden and finland got, assurances that if you _ sweden and finland got, assurances that if you sign this peace agreement, and russia reneges on it

and attacks— agreement, and russia reneges on it and attacks again, then we will this time, _ and attacks again, then we will this time, and _ and attacks again, then we will this time, and fight with you at next to you _ time, and fight with you at next to you |_ time, and fight with you at next to ou. ., time, and fight with you at next to ou. . ., time, and fight with you at next to ou. ., ., ., " time, and fight with you at next to ou. . ., ., ~ ., , , you. i want to talk more broadly, nato is you. i want to talk more broadly, nate is trying _ you. i want to talk more broadly, nato is trying out _ you. i want to talk more broadly, nato is trying out this _ you. i want to talk more broadly, nato is trying out this summer i you. i want to talk more broadly, j nato is trying out this summer to get clarity and refine what its overall position is with regards to russia. one is supporting ukraine, but also it is looking inwards to the members saying are you spending enough on defence, are of the supply chain is there? what do you think will be a successful outcome of those discussions? the will be a successful outcome of those discussions?— will be a successful outcome of those discussions? .,, . ., . those discussions? the most concrete memory from — those discussions? the most concrete memory from vilnius _ those discussions? the most concrete memory from vilnius in _ those discussions? the most concrete memory from vilnius in that _ those discussions? the most concrete memory from vilnius in that regard i memory from vilnius in that regard is the 2% of gdp spending on defence became the floor, not the ceiling. the last figures released from nato indicated that plenty of countries still have a long way to go just to reach the 2% target. of course this is important, but at the same time there is no new pledge. this really

means that countries need to do their homework in order to provide their homework in order to provide the base long—term foundation for spending more on defence. i the base long-term foundation for spending more on defence.- the base long-term foundation for spending more on defence. i want to net the spending more on defence. i want to get the thoughts _ spending more on defence. i want to get the thoughts of _ spending more on defence. i want to get the thoughts of what _ spending more on defence. i want to get the thoughts of what you - spending more on defence. i want to get the thoughts of what you think . get the thoughts of what you think vladimir putin will be thinking watching on, first of all the response to sweden now looking like it will join. response to sweden now looking like it willjoin. vladimir putin, or the russian government, said that there will be an appropriate and timely response to the news about sweden. but more widely, what do you think your views in the kremlin will be watching this summits? taste your views in the kremlin will be watching this summits? we don't really know _ watching this summits? we don't really know what _ watching this summits? we don't really know what vladimir - watching this summits? we don't really know what vladimir putin l watching this summits? we don't| really know what vladimir putin is being _ really know what vladimir putin is being told. looking at this from our finland _ being told. looking at this from our finland perspective, it is a failure for hint — finland perspective, it is a failure for hint it— finland perspective, it is a failure for him. it changes the entire geography of northern europe sweden and finland becoming members. i would _ and finland becoming members. i would imagine that vladimir putin must _ would imagine that vladimir putin must realise the objective reality

that russia's position on the global stage. _ that russia's position on the global stage. not— that russia's position on the global stage, notjust because of war in ukraine, — stage, notjust because of war in ukraine, but the membership of sweden — ukraine, but the membership of sweden and finland, the broadly speaking — sweden and finland, the broadly speaking unity, is more of a failure for him _ speaking unity, is more of a failure for him than — speaking unity, is more of a failure for him than anything else. same auestion for him than anything else. same question to _ for him than anything else. same question to you. _ for him than anything else. same question to you, and. _ for him than anything else. same question to you, and. your - for him than anything else. c—ne question to you, and. your thoughts on what constitutes a good summer tear from the nato perspective. on what constitutes a good summer tearfrom the nato perspective. fine tear from the nato perspective. one aood sin tear from the nato perspective. one good sign is — tear from the nato perspective. que: good sign is that tear from the nato perspective. iez good sign is that turkey agreed to give a green light to sweden to proceed with accession. if that had not been the case, nato would have appeared fragmented. the ukraine issueis appeared fragmented. the ukraine issue is very important in this regard and something that russia will watch very closely, how strong will watch very closely, how strong will the wording to be in support for ukraine nato membership, and what will be the accession there?

brilliant stuff. anna, charlie, thank you both very much. to peel back the curtain a little, ijust want to show you around very quickly. we are in the media centre here and this is where the live camera positions are. down there are the delegates from the countries working away, that is just a country's media working away. these come through on the screens there. the meeting is taking place in a separate building we are not allowed into. the press are only allowed to film the first few moments. when that meeting breaks up, we should start having a bit more reaction and only get that, we will bring it to you. let's return to the allegations about a bbc presenter.

the bbc�*s director general tim davie has issued a statement — saying that, after a meeting with police, the bbc has been asked to pause its investigation. let's bring in our news reporter courtney bembridge. we received this less than an hour ago and it is the first time the bbc has laid out the dates involved in this complaint. let's go through them. this starts on the 18th of may. the bbc says this is when a family member tries to make a complaint at a bbc building. it is the next day, on the 19th of may, that the matter is referred to the bbc�*s corporate investigations team. the corporate investigations team it assessed the matter and it said there was no basis for an allegation of criminality, but the matter, nonetheless, merited further investigation. it is also on the

state that the bbc tries to e—mail the complainant, but says that the organisation received no response. that is on the 19th of may. it isn't until sixthjune that is on the 19th of may. it isn't until sixth june that the bbc tries to make a phone call to the complainant. that call, the organisation says, does not connect. keep that date in mind because there were no additional attempts after that and it isn't until a month later, on the 6th ofjuly, that the sun newspaper informed the bbc about the allegations. so, there is a madcap ear from the 6th ofjune where there were no additional attempts to contact the complainant after that first official e—mail and phone call until the sun informs the bbc. we know that on this date, july to sixth, that the first conversations were had with the presenter involved and that the director—general of the bbc, tim davie was made aware of. of course,

the next day the newspaper publishes these claims that a bbc presenter paid the teenager £35,000. we know that on the 9th ofjuly the bbc confirmed that the presenter had been suspended. we are going through this and even more detail and we will bring you updates when we get them. ., , . ~' ,, will bring you updates when we get them. ., , . ~ . them. courtney, thank you so much. just to remind _ them. courtney, thank you so much. just to remind you _ them. courtney, thank you so much. just to remind you as _ them. courtney, thank you so much. just to remind you as well— them. courtney, thank you so much. just to remind you as well of- them. courtney, thank you so much. just to remind you as well of the - just to remind you as well of the statement from tim davie, its investigations while the police scope of future work. he also said lessons will be learned following this exercise. let's return to this howl, at director of broadcasting at city university london. so, let's

talk about the position of the sun newspaper finds itself in, talk about the position of the sun newspaperfinds itself in, given talk about the position of the sun newspaper finds itself in, given the statement from the law of the young person involved disputing the claims by the sun. what questions do you think the sun newspaper needs to answer? , ., , . ., think the sun newspaper needs to answer? , ., , _, . ~ answer? the sun has come back with all runs answer? the sun has come back with all guns blazing _ answer? the sun has come back with all guns blazing today _ answer? the sun has come back with all guns blazing today assisted - answer? the sun has come back with all guns blazing today assisted by - answer? the sun has come back with all guns blazing today assisted by a l all guns blazing today assisted by a story and its source, which is the parents of the young person concerned. i'd very much doubt that the sun would have gone into this without being sure of the correctness of their story. that makes it more awkward for the bbc because the bbc would prefer to believe this statement by the young person and the two are opposed to each other. it will be a difficult one. you have the right wing tabloid press, which traditionally... the ppc is a huge publicly funded

organisation. i don't think the sun will be backtracking any time now. the comments from tim davie, do you think he is handling the situation proportionally and well? it would seem so. proportionally and well? it would seem so- it _ proportionally and well? it would seem so. it is _ proportionally and well? it would seem so. it is difficult _ proportionally and well? it would seem so. it is difficult because i proportionally and well? it would i seem so. it is difficult because you don't know what the allegation was in the first place. there may be many vexatious allegations against presenters, i don't know. it would be interesting to know how many of these vexatious allegations corporate investigations has to deal with. i don't think that this is a scandal that will be anything like on the jimmy scandal that will be anything like on thejimmy savile proportions. it is one person, something that may well not have been illegal, it is a typical grey area, but i would point out that in 1988 very famous presenter at the time of the bbc was dismissed for taking cocaine, being involved with prostitutes, neither

of which were significantly illegal, but sleazy, tawdry difficult. if this person has a very important role in the bbc, you don't want the presenter to be on air talking about something serious and you have the public thinking about their colourful sex life.- public thinking about their colourful sex life. stay with us, laze. we want _ colourful sex life. stay with us, laze. we want to _ colourful sex life. stay with us, laze. we want to bring - colourful sex life. stay with us, laze. we want to bring our- colourful sex life. stay with us, i laze. we want to bring our viewers colourful sex life. stay with us, - laze. we want to bring our viewers a comment made by rishi sunak. he was just arriving at the nato summit in lithuania, which we havejust just arriving at the nato summit in lithuania, which we have just been covering. he was asked about the conflict in ukraine and what is happening by nato, but he was also asked about these allegations. obviously, they are very serious and concerning allegations and that is why i am pleased that the culture secretary spoke to the director—general of the bbc over the weekend and is confident that the bbc is investigating this rigorously and rapidly. ithink bbc is investigating this rigorously and rapidly. i think that is the right course of action.- and rapidly. i think that is the

right course of action. what would ou sa to right course of action. what would you say to people _ right course of action. what would you say to people on _ right course of action. what would you say to people on social - right course of action. what would | you say to people on social media, or even— you say to people on social media, or even some mps who might use parliamentary privilege to name this individual? — parliamentary privilege to name this individual? we parliamentary privilege to name this individual? ~ ., parliamentary privilege to name this individual? ~ . ., , , individual? we have an existing set of laws concerning _ individual? we have an existing set of laws concerning privacy. - individual? we have an existing set of laws concerning privacy. the - individual? we have an existing set| of laws concerning privacy. the bbc needs to conduct this investigation quickly and rigorously. those comments from the prime minister. liz, did you hear those comments? it minister. liz, did you hear those comments?— minister. liz, did you hear those comments? ., , , , ., comments? it does comply with what lu fraser comments? it does comply with what lucy fraser said _ comments? it does comply with what lucy fraser said about _ comments? it does comply with what lucy fraser said about the _ comments? it does comply with what lucy fraser said about the swift - comments? it does comply with what lucy fraser said about the swift and l lucy fraser said about the swift and sensitive response. if people come along and make what could be grazed allegations, how do you respond? it may not have been illegal, necessarily. it would not be great to have a significant presenter involved in something that many people would see as tawdry and sleazy. it is important. they do have to back off and let the police get on with that. i don't think it

is anything like as bad as thejimmy savile inquiry. jimmy savile was one person he did a lot of terrible things, and this is not the same. it is difficult and unpleasant, but almost inevitable in a large organisation from time to time one of your staff will let you down in some way. if it is indeed true. it has to be looked at. but it is not the end of the world for the bbc. many people have suggested there is a public interest for the broadcaster, the presenter to be named. dominic cathy annie just suggested that the bbc may never actually name this presenter. what would your advice be to this presenter at the moment? i would your advice be to this presenter at the moment? i think it would be very _ presenter at the moment? i think it would be very wise _ presenter at the moment? i think it would be very wise and _ presenter at the moment? i think it would be very wise and very - presenter at the moment? i think it would be very wise and very brave l presenter at the moment? i think it| would be very wise and very brave if the presenter named themselves. if there is no case to answer then they could explain that. if there is a

case to answer mild or serious they could respond to that. it would sort of lance the boil. if this person is never publicly named, there is a name in the ether, so it will never go away. it will affect other people, too. of the one person at the centre of this doesn't come forward, there will also be a shadow over lots of people, and particularly over this person. it would be tough, but i would suggest they seriously think about talking about themselves. liz, thank you for your contribution.— i would also direct our viewers to the bbc news website, it has all the latest developments on the story. it has all the reaction and interviews we are doing. there is another light

page on the nato summit that is taking place. many people have been asking when we will hear from the director—general himself. he has spoken to members of the press, he hasissued spoken to members of the press, he has issued a statement and now we have this timeline. we understand that he will be speaking to our colleagues in bbc radio within the next few hours and we will certainly bring that to you live when it happens. the moment we have confirmation that the bbc director general will be speaking to the bbc we will bring you that life. we're stuck in a bit of a rut at the moment with the weather, it's generally rather unsettled because of the showers and the proximity of low pressure.

so through the rest of the day, we will continue with some sunshine, but also some heavy showers because this low pressure is almost overhead. its weather fronts may be moving out of the way from the south and from the north. but believe you me, there's a lot of energy in thejuly sunshine and we've got all that moisture around and we are seeing some big showers brewing up. in fact, the longer spells of rain for the north of scotland. so different complexion to yesterday, fewer showers for northern ireland, but probably more making their way east across central and eastern parts of england. but wherever you are, there's a fairly blustery breeze blowing and those showers will be potentially heavy and thundery. temperatures are a notch down on yesterday. we've lost the humidity, but still, with the sunshine, 22 or 23 in the south, again, it should be a fresher feel for those at wimbledon today. but i think there is certainly has to be the risk of a shower at some point today, despite a good deal of play. now, as we go through the evening and overnight, the showers tend to ease away across england and wales. some heavier rain pushing its way across northern ireland into the far north of england, southern scotland, lots of showers continuing for scotland. we will notice a more comfortable for sleeping. we've lost that humidity across england and wales

and we're changing our wind direction further on wednesday. it's much more westerly for many of us, north—westerly for scotland and northern ireland. so it's here we'll see the showers packing into the north and west again, heavy and thundery, possibly a few more breaks and a bit more sunshine compared with today. again, just areas of showers moving through and there's enough breeze to push the showers through tomorrow so it won't be raining all day. i think most will get one or two showers and it will feel a touch fresher again tomorrow, even further south where we lose the south—westerly wind. thursday, it's another day of sunny spells and showers. i suppose, if anything, probably fewer showers across england. as we see a ridge of high pressure building in, but some slow moving showers with the lighter winds further north. so that could last a bit longer when the showers do come along. that is that ridge of high pressure. it's a very brief affair because come friday, the next area of low pressure and weather fronts and tightly packed isobars, so windy weather again

comes marching in off the atlantic and it stays rather unsettled for mid—july. bye— bye.

hello, i'm lucy hawking is. we start with the major developments in the allegations that bbc presenter paid allegations that bbc presenter paid a teenager for explicit photos.

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