president zelensky wants | a firm, clear commitment and a timeline, but the reality is of course, that a timeline . is next to impossible. welcome back. a year ago, there was no prospect of ukrainejoining nato. today, the alliance said ukraine's membership will be fast—tracked once conditions are met. sweden is already there — they will become the 32nd today, russia said that poses a further threat to their security. we will be getting into that with our panel, the former and ian bremmer the president

and founder of the eurasia group. they might also have a view on new research that suggests home working...is not working. google, apple, meta are among those who now demanding their workers spend at least three days in the office. we talked in the first hour of the programme about ukraine's path to nato membership and the obstacles in the way of that. let's concentrate this hour on some of the things that have been achieved at this nato summit. notably, the path that's been cleared for sweden to join. we brought you the news last night on this programme that turkey had dropped its veto and will now put sweden's accession to a vote in the turkish parliament, which we expect will be a formality. there has been reaction in moscow to that today. a kremlin spokesman said russia's security would be furtherjeopardised by sweden becoming a member. becoming a member — a concern wholly dismissed within the alliance. what is more important to the swedish prime minister, ulf kristersson, is that his country will now feel safer under the nato umbrella. you simply have to look at the map to realise that it's something missing when sweden is not a part of nato, and as i have told

nato systems themselves, we obviously seek common protection by applying for nato membership, but we also want to stress that we do think we can provide security as well. we have capabilities that are extremely rare and very specific, and we want to use them for common protection, so i think we do bring good things. let's bring in carl belt, the former prime minister of sweden in the country's foreign minister for many years. very welcome to the programme. the swedish prime minister sitting out the benefits to sweden. what do you make of the reaction in moscow today? i sweden. what do you make of the reaction in moscow today?- reaction in moscow today? i think the have reaction in moscow today? i think they have to _ reaction in moscow today? i think they have to say _ reaction in moscow today? i think they have to say something. - reaction in moscow today? i think they have to say something. this| reaction in moscow today? i think i they have to say something. this is a major setback for russia. you have both finland and sweden being part

of nato. that is not something that mr putin wanted, that is something that he is achieved de facto. of course, with this decrease of security, nato doesn't attack anyone. it is only a threat to russian attempts to threaten us. that's a good thing. but nato's defensive, if russia doesn't have any aggressive intentions against us, it doesn't affect russian policy in any way. us, it doesn't affect russian policy in any way-— us, it doesn't affect russian policy in an wa. ~ ., in any way. last week on friday, the white house — in any way. last week on friday, the white house was _ in any way. last week on friday, the white house was saying _ in any way. last week on friday, the white house was saying there - in any way. last week on friday, the white house was saying there could| white house was saying there could be no guarantees that this veto would be lifted. what has changed over the weekend and what concessions has sweden had to make? you never know, and he's very accomplished. he normally sometimes entirely puts in those... but he's a

fairly realistic guy. he knows what he wants to achieve. he wants to move somewhere closer to the west. and he had some concerns. i think sweden has shown that we are ready to live up to the more solid commitment. he was satisfied with that, also interested in some say his relationship with the european union. that is long—standing swedish policy as well. i union. that is long-standing swedish policy as well-— policy as well. i noticed today that government _ policy as well. i noticed today that government implement _ policy as well. i noticed today that government implement bill - policy as well. i noticed today that. government implement bill education that could implement the burning of the quran, for instance. ihla that could implement the burning of the quran, for instance.— the quran, for instance. no one virtually and _ the quran, for instance. no one virtually and sweden _ the quran, for instance. no one virtually and sweden supports l the quran, for instance. no one - virtually and sweden supports that. the reality is different. let’s virtually and sweden supports that. the reality is different.— the reality is different. let's talk about ukraine, _

the reality is different. let's talk about ukraine, because - the reality is different. let's talk about ukraine, because you're . the reality is different. let's talk about ukraine, because you're a | the reality is different. let's talk. about ukraine, because you're a big supporter. president zelensky said it would be absurd if there was no time frame to invite ukraine to join nato. the statement that they will be fast tracked when conditions are met. what do they mean by that and how have they streamlined the process? it how have they streamlined the rocess? , , , ~ process? it depends, but i think the number one — process? it depends, but i think the number one priority _ process? it depends, but i think the number one priority of _ process? it depends, but i think the number one priority of the - number one priority of the government is get as much support, concrete, militarily, financially. in order to make it possible for ukraine to defeat russian aggression. that is the number one priority. when that happened, i think everyone will be extremely pleased and eager to welcome ukraine both into nato, and eventually to the eu. even more important to giving stability of the country. it's not going to happen by the weekend, but there's no doubt that ukraine, after the war, will end up

in nato and the eu.— in nato and the eu. president zelensky says _ in nato and the eu. president zelensky says ukraine - in nato and the eu. president zelensky says ukraine will. in nato and the eu. president zelensky says ukraine will be | in nato and the eu. president - zelensky says ukraine will be safer within nato. the issue is that ukraine is at war and the concern on the american side is what happens if a piece is secured, but ukraine is still under partial occupation. what they do then? , ., �* partial occupation. what they do then? , . , . then? they don't answer that question. _ then? they don't answer that question, which _ then? they don't answer that question, which is _ then? they don't answer that question, which is why - then? they don't answer that question, which is why they l then? they don't answer that - question, which is why they punted it for— question, which is why they punted it for the _ question, which is why they punted it for the time being. president biden— it for the time being. president biden made it very clear over the weekend that as long as a war is going _ weekend that as long as a war is going on. — weekend that as long as a war is going on, the united states is not prepared — going on, the united states is not prepared to support ukraine having full nata _ prepared to support ukraine having full nato membership. one could easily— full nato membership. one could easily argue that, as long as pieces of ukraine — easily argue that, as long as pieces of ukraine are being occupied actively— of ukraine are being occupied actively by russia, that the war is still ongoing. so, what they said was very— still ongoing. so, what they said

was very similar to what they said it well_ was very similar to what they said it well over— was very similar to what they said it well over a decade ago — that ukraine — it well over a decade ago — that ukraine willjoin nato in the future _ ukraine willjoin nato in the future. but what's the future? is not right — future. but what's the future? is not right now, but having said that, of course, — not right now, but having said that, of course, the important issue that came _ of course, the important issue that came out— of course, the important issue that came out of— of course, the important issue that came out of today's summit in vilnius — came out of today's summit in vilnius is — came out of today's summit in vilnius is that the nato alliance is a stronger, — vilnius is that the nato alliance is a stronger, it is unified. sweden will not — a stronger, it is unified. sweden will not join _ a stronger, it is unified. sweden will notjoin finland in exceeding nato _ will notjoin finland in exceeding nato membership. i can't think of a time when — nato membership. i can't think of a time when nato has been this strong and unified, and that is largely because — and unified, and that is largely because of president putin and his decision— because of president putin and his decision to — because of president putin and his decision to illegally invade a sovereign state of ukraine. that is the priority— sovereign state of ukraine. that is the priority of nato, much more of a priority— the priority of nato, much more of a priority than— the priority of nato, much more of a priority than ukraine's membership. there _ priority than ukraine's membership. there is— priority than ukraine's membership. there is a _ priority than ukraine's membership. there is a precedent for this, justine. nato accepted west germany in 1955, which germany was divided. why would partial occupation be an obstacle? i why would partial occupation be an obstacle? ~ . , .,

obstacle? i think as we heard, it ma be obstacle? i think as we heard, it may be these — obstacle? i think as we heard, it may be these are _ obstacle? i think as we heard, it may be these are really - obstacle? i think as we heard, it may be these are really difficult| may be these are really difficult decisions — may be these are really difficult decisions to _ may be these are really difficult decisions to take. _ may be these are really difficult decisions to take. i— may be these are really difficult decisions to take. i think - may be these are really difficult decisions to take. i think today, it's not— decisions to take. i think today, it's not time _ decisions to take. i think today, it's not time when _ decisions to take. i think today, it's not time when they - decisions to take. i think today, it's not time when they need i decisions to take. i think today, it's not time when they need to| decisions to take. i think today, . it's not time when they need to be forced _ it's not time when they need to be forced into— it's not time when they need to be forced into making _ it's not time when they need to be forced into making them - it's not time when they need to be - forced into making them preemptively in a sense _ forced into making them preemptively in a sense i_ forced into making them preemptively in a sense. i wasn't _ forced into making them preemptively in a sense. i wasn't surprised - forced into making them preemptively in a sense. i wasn't surprised that - in a sense. i wasn't surprised that there _ in a sense. iwasn't surprised that there was— in a sense. iwasn't surprised that there was no— in a sense. i wasn't surprised that there was no direct _ in a sense. i wasn't surprised that there was no direct timeline - in a sense. i wasn't surprised that there was no direct timeline put. in a sense. i wasn't surprised thati there was no direct timeline put on ukraine _ there was no direct timeline put on ukraine membership. _ there was no direct timeline put on ukraine membership. but- there was no direct timeline put on ukraine membership. but i- there was no direct timeline put on ukraine membership. but i do- there was no direct timeline put oni ukraine membership. but i do think what you _ ukraine membership. but i do think what you see — ukraine membership. but i do think what you see is _ ukraine membership. but i do think what you see is a _ ukraine membership. but i do think what you see is a quite _ ukraine membership. but i do think what you see is a quite dramatic- what you see is a quite dramatic enlargement _ what you see is a quite dramatic enlargement to— what you see is a quite dramatic enlargement to nato, _ what you see is a quite dramatic enlargement to nato, both - what you see is a quite dramatic. enlargement to nato, both finland and sweden, — enlargement to nato, both finland and sweden, and _ enlargement to nato, both finland and sweden, and what's _ enlargement to nato, both finland and sweden, and what's been - and sweden, and what's been signalled _ and sweden, and what's been signalled is _ and sweden, and what's been signalled is next _ and sweden, and what's been signalled is next will- and sweden, and what's been signalled is next will be - and sweden, and what's been l signalled is next will be ukraine and sweden, and what's been - signalled is next will be ukraine at some point — signalled is next will be ukraine at some point. this— signalled is next will be ukraine at some point. this is— signalled is next will be ukraine at some point. this is the _ signalled is next will be ukraine at some point. this is the exact - some point. this is the exact opposite _ some point. this is the exact opposite of— some point. this is the exact opposite of what _ some point. this is the exact opposite of what president . some point. this is the exact - opposite of what president putin was aiming _ opposite of what president putin was aiming for. _ opposite of what president putin was aiming for. and — opposite of what president putin was aiming for. and i_ opposite of what president putin was aiming for, and i think— opposite of what president putin was aiming for, and i think it _ aiming for, and i think it underlines— aiming for, and i think it underlines how- aiming for, and i think it underlines how the - aiming for, and i think it. underlines how the conflict aiming for, and i think it - underlines how the conflict in russia — underlines how the conflict in russia that _ underlines how the conflict in russia that he _ underlines how the conflict in russia that he has _ underlines how the conflict in russia that he has triggered i underlines how the conflict ini russia that he has triggered is underlines how the conflict in- russia that he has triggered is not 'ust russia that he has triggered is not just going — russia that he has triggered is not just going to — russia that he has triggered is not just going to have _ russia that he has triggered is not just going to have short—term - just going to have short—term consequences, _ just going to have short—term consequences, it— just going to have short—term consequences, it will- just going to have short—term consequences, it will have . just going to have short—term - consequences, it will have long—term geopolitical, — consequences, it will have long—term geopolitical, consequences— consequences, it will have long—term geopolitical, consequences for- geopolitical, consequences for russia — geopolitical, consequences for russia that _ geopolitical, consequences for russia that are _ geopolitical, consequences for russia that are negative. - geopolitical, consequences for russia that are negative. i- geopolitical, consequences for. russia that are negative. i think for western— russia that are negative. i think for western europe, _ russia that are negative. i think for western europe, it- russia that are negative. i think for western europe, it will- russia that are negative. i think for western europe, it will see i russia that are negative. i think| for western europe, it will see a tightening — for western europe, it will see a tightening of— for western europe, it will see a tightening of those _ for western europe, it will see a tightening of those relationships into eastern—

tightening of those relationships into eastern europe _ tightening of those relationships into eastern europe even - tightening of those relationships into eastern europe even more. | tightening of those relationships - into eastern europe even more. karl bildt, into eastern europe even more. karl bildt. there — into eastern europe even more. karl bildt, there has _ into eastern europe even more. bildt, there has been a into eastern europe even more.|“ bildt, there has been a recommitment on weapons at a joint agreement. they had a training centre set up in romania, which brings us to the red lines. they're constantly shifting. first it was defensive weapons, then it was himars, then it was air defence. at what point will they relent on f—16s? i defence. at what point will they relent on f-16s?_ defence. at what point will they relent on f-16s? i think f-16s or wherever _ relent on f-16s? i think f-16s or wherever it's _ relent on f-16s? i think f-16s or wherever it's going _ relent on f-16s? i think f-16s or wherever it's going to _ relent on f-16s? i think f-16s or wherever it's going to be - relent on f-16s? i think f-16s or wherever it's going to be are - relent on f-16s? i think f-16s or- wherever it's going to be are coming in some point. the commitment must be a wider one and i think it already is. ukraine's ultimate security guarantee is to have western aligned, western supported standards effective against forces. but that's not going to happen next week, but over the next years to come. ukraine must be built up with

sufficient capability, be that f—16s or other aircraft, sufficient capability, be that f—16s or otheraircraft, be sufficient capability, be that f—16s or other aircraft, be that western taints, be that western electronic communications, western defence —— western tanks. and for the stability of europe it is essential. that will come over time. aha, of europe it is essential. that will come over time.— of europe it is essential. that will come over time. a lot of the focus naturally at _ come over time. a lot of the focus naturally at this _ come over time. a lot of the focus naturally at this summit _ come over time. a lot of the focus naturally at this summit is - come over time. a lot of the focus naturally at this summit is on - naturally at this summit is on ukraine, but the leaders ofjapan, south korea, australia and new zealand are also in the lithuanian capital as guests. it is the second outing for ap4. it is the second outing for the format known as ap4, since the asia—pacific quartet showed up in madrid last year. for nato, the message is pretty clear; if the alliance are currently preoccupied with russia, that does not mean they are forgetting the looming challenges facing the indo—pacific. here's un secretary of state jens stoltenberg. facing the indo—pacific. there are certain countries who would like to see a new office in

japan in tokyo, and there are countries like france who are deeply opposed to that. i countries like france who are deeply opposed to that-— opposed to that. i thought it was interesting _ opposed to that. i thought it was interesting that, _ opposed to that. i thought it was interesting that, in _ opposed to that. i thought it was interesting that, in the _ opposed to that. i thought it was - interesting that, in the communique, from vilnius. — interesting that, in the communique, from vilnius, you had a couple of articles— from vilnius, you had a couple of articles that were referred specifically to beijing — not the kind of— specifically to beijing — not the kind of thing you usually see in nato~ this _ kind of thing you usually see in nato. this is the united states, as well as— nato. this is the united states, as well as some of the east europeans coming _ well as some of the east europeans coming together and saying, "we want to put— coming together and saying, "we want to put the _ coming together and saying, "we want to put the chinese on notice," that they're _ to put the chinese on notice," that they're watching them and we do think— they're watching them and we do think that — they're watching them and we do think that what you do on a global security— think that what you do on a global security perspective, china, including _ security perspective, china, including in your back yard, is relevant — including in your back yard, is relevant to— including in your back yard, is relevant to the north atlantic treaty — relevant to the north atlantic treaty organisation. i think that's interesting and important, and also, six month— interesting and important, and also, six month ago, nato was probably 9095% _ six month ago, nato was probably 9095% aligned on russia —— 90, 95%.

that 50-60% — 9095% aligned on russia —— 90, 95%. that 50-60% is 9095% aligned on russia —— 90, 95%. that 50—60% is going up for china. some _ that 50—60% is going up for china. some of— that 50—60% is going up for china. some of that is she jumping's power consolidation and military capabilities —— xi jinping. this is something — capabilities —— xi jinping. this is something that these countries have to take _ something that these countries have to take on seriously because no one else is— to take on seriously because no one else is going to. to to take on seriously because no one else is going to-_ else is going to. to give us a little extra _ else is going to. to give us a little extra context _ else is going to. to give us a little extra context on - else is going to. to give us a little extra context on this, | else is going to. to give us a - little extra context on this, we're joined by daniel al davis. thank you forjoining us. the japanese are key to all this, and say they've always reminded leaders that the indo—pacific and the euro atlantic area are interrelated spheres. they're not wrong, are they? certainly not wrong. all of those things go together, but the real issue, especially in terms of the nato including the asia pacific and

china specifically in the communique gets to one of the problems that macron had. nato is a north atlantic to dm to try to get involved with things going on in the asia pacific, certainly important to the european union, doesn't seem to be a good fit for the military alliance of nato. that understandably will raise the iyer of beijing and that's not good for relations. i believe there are many ways to handle these issues. it can benefit all of them. i think they have to be careful not to push too far at the expense of the economic realm.— too far at the expense of the economic realm. ~ . , ., economic realm. what is it that will nato want to _ economic realm. what is it that will nato want to do _ economic realm. what is it that will nato want to do through _ economic realm. what is it that will nato want to do through this - economic realm. what is it that will| nato want to do through this liaison office? what will be the purpose of opening it in tokyo? i office? what will be the purpose of opening it in tokyo?— opening it in tokyo? i think the bottom line _ opening it in tokyo? i think the bottom line is _ opening it in tokyo? i think the bottom line is sort _ opening it in tokyo? i think the bottom line is sort of _ opening it in tokyo? i think the bottom line is sort of like - opening it in tokyo? i think the bottom line is sort of like ian . bottom line is sort of like ian bremmerjust mentioned. european

bremmer just mentioned. european countries bremmerjust mentioned. european countries in the european union have been engaged quite a lot with chinese diplomats here over the last six or so months because they have a lot of mutual beneficial contacts. they both benefit from that certainly, but i think the us is pushing this because for good or ill, that's part of the conflict to be part of —— hard on china. i'm not sure that's a good mission, and it's probably best left out of nato. cari probably best left out of nato. carl bildt, if we — probably best left out of nato. carl bildt, if we needed a reminder of how interrelated the indo—pacific is with the european sphere, we only need to look at who the chinese were hosting todayjust need to look at who the chinese were hosting today just as need to look at who the chinese were hosting todayjust as this was being discussed. the head of the upper chamber of the russian parliament, close ally, who was under international sanctions. riff close ally, who was under international sanctions. of course, as a close relationship _ international sanctions. of course, as a close relationship between . as a close relationship between russia and china, russia becoming more dependent on china. no question about that. but i do think we must

recognise the military terms, the north atlantic alliance is an atlantic alliance. it doesn't have any sort of military capability on its own. there's a very strong european engagement in all of the issues. ., �* european engagement in all of the issues. ., , . ., issues. you can't see in a modern world japan _ issues. you can't see in a modern world japan or — issues. you can't see in a modern world japan or indo-pacific - world japan or indo—pacific countries being invited into the alliance? ., . . . , alliance? no, the alliance is the alliance? no, the alliance is the alliance of— alliance? no, the alliance is the alliance of north _ alliance? no, the alliance is the alliance of north atlantic- alliance of north atlantic countries. the north atlantic is fairly precisely defined. that's not going to happen. all of the things that happen in the world are interrelated in some sort of way, i think it's perfectly natural for nato to... there used to be one in moscow. doesn't necessarily mean that much. in more political terms, there is a very strong european engagement in the peace and security in east asia and the indo—pacific.

that slightly different. that in east asia and the indo-pacific. that slightly different.— that slightly different. that has demonstrated _ that slightly different. that has demonstrated lithuania - that slightly different. that has - demonstrated lithuania themselves, as a serious trade dispute with beijing and in some ways, have been bullied by beijing.— bullied by bei'ing. indeed, and i think going — bullied by beijing. indeed, and i think going back— bullied by beijing. indeed, and i think going back to _ bullied by beijing. indeed, and i think going back to those - bullied by beijing. indeed, and i j think going back to those earlier points, — think going back to those earlier points, for— think going back to those earlier points, for china, _ think going back to those earlier points, for china, i— think going back to those earlier points, for china, i sure - think going back to those earlier points, for china, i sure there'si think going back to those earlierl points, for china, i sure there's a reat— points, for china, i sure there's a real nervousness— points, for china, i sure there's a real nervousness around - points, for china, i sure there's a real nervousness around how - points, for china, i sure there's a real nervousness around how the j real nervousness around how the impact _ real nervousness around how the impact of— real nervousness around how the impact of russia's _ real nervousness around how the impact of russia's invasion - real nervousness around how the impact of russia's invasion is - real nervousness around how the | impact of russia's invasion is now prompting — impact of russia's invasion is now prompting a — impact of russia's invasion is now prompting a much _ impact of russia's invasion is now prompting a much broader- impact of russia's invasion is now| prompting a much broader rethink impact of russia's invasion is now. prompting a much broader rethink of some _ prompting a much broader rethink of some core _ prompting a much broader rethink of some core political— prompting a much broader rethink of some core political questions, - some core political questions, including _ some core political questions, including military— some core political questions, including military questions i some core political questions, i including military questions and relation — including military questions and relation to— including military questions and relation to nato. _ including military questions and relation to nato. i— including military questions and relation to nato. i wouldn't - including military questions and . relation to nato. i wouldn't expect to see _ relation to nato. i wouldn't expect to see nato — relation to nato. i wouldn't expect to see nato expand, _ relation to nato. i wouldn't expect to see nato expand, but _ relation to nato. i wouldn't expect to see nato expand, but i - relation to nato. i wouldn't expect to see nato expand, but i do - relation to nato. i wouldn't expect to see nato expand, but i do think you're starting _ to see nato expand, but i do think you're starting to _ to see nato expand, but i do think you're starting to see _ to see nato expand, but i do think you're starting to see this - you're starting to see this important discussion- you're starting to see this. important discussion about you're starting to see this - important discussion about whether there _ important discussion about whether there should — important discussion about whether there should be _ important discussion about whether there should be some _ important discussion about whether there should be some sort- important discussion about whether there should be some sort of- there should be some sort of parallel— there should be some sort of parallel organisation - there should be some sort of parallel organisation or- there should be some sort of| parallel organisation or some alignment— parallel organisation or some alignment between _ parallel organisation or some alignment between those - parallel organisation or some - alignment between those asia—pacific countries _ alignment between those asia—pacific countries that — alignment between those asia—pacific countries that are _

alignment between those asia—pacific countries that are democracies. - alignment between those asia—pacific countries that are democracies. is - countries that are democracies. is hard _ countries that are democracies. is hard to— countries that are democracies. is hard to see — countries that are democracies. is hard to see these _ countries that are democracies. is hard to see these fast _ countries that are democracies. is hard to see these fast tracked - countries that are democracies. is hard to see these fast tracked in i hard to see these fast tracked in the way— hard to see these fast tracked in the way they— hard to see these fast tracked in the way they are _ hard to see these fast tracked in the way they are being - hard to see these fast tracked in the way they are being had - hard to see these fast tracked in the way they are being had we . hard to see these fast tracked in i the way they are being had we not seen _ the way they are being had we not seen russia — the way they are being had we not seen russia illegally— the way they are being had we not seen russia illegally invade - seen russia illegally invade ukraine _ seen russia illegally invade ukraine. for— seen russia illegally invade ukraine. forthe_ seen russia illegally invade ukraine. for the chinese, l seen russia illegally invade - ukraine. forthe chinese, there is a fast tracking — ukraine. forthe chinese, there is a fast tracking of— ukraine. forthe chinese, there is a fast tracking of discussions - ukraine. forthe chinese, there is a fast tracking of discussions that - fast tracking of discussions that they don't want _ fast tracking of discussions that they don't want to see - fast tracking of discussions that they don't want to see fast - fast tracking of discussions that - they don't want to see fast tracked, and i_ they don't want to see fast tracked, and i think that _ they don't want to see fast tracked, and i think that is _ they don't want to see fast tracked, and i think that is putting _ they don't want to see fast tracked, and i think that is putting more - and i think that is putting more pressure on _ and i think that is putting more pressure on them, which - and i think that is putting more - pressure on them, which will mean that they— pressure on them, which will mean that they are less _ pressure on them, which will mean that they are less inclined - pressure on them, which will mean that they are less inclined to - pressure on them, which will mean that they are less inclined to not i that they are less inclined to not necessarily— that they are less inclined to not necessarily withdraw support. i that they are less inclined to not. necessarily withdraw support. but that they are less inclined to not i necessarily withdraw support. but i think perhaps — necessarily withdraw support. but i think perhaps more _ necessarily withdraw support. but i think perhaps more neutral- necessarily withdraw support. but i think perhaps more neutral stancei necessarily withdraw support. but i i think perhaps more neutral stance is one that _ think perhaps more neutral stance is one that we — think perhaps more neutral stance is one that we can— think perhaps more neutral stance is one that we can expect _ think perhaps more neutral stance is one that we can expect to _ think perhaps more neutral stance is one that we can expect to see - one that we can expect to see russia, — one that we can expect to see russia, not— one that we can expect to see russia, not quite _ one that we can expect to see russia, not quite the - one that we can expect to see russia, not quite the full- one that we can expect to see i russia, not quite the full support we saw— russia, not quite the full support we saw at — russia, not quite the full support we saw at the _ russia, not quite the full support we saw at the beginning. - russia, not quite the full support we saw at the beginning. itritt�*e'll. russia, not quite the full support we saw at the beginning. we'll have to leave that — we saw at the beginning. we'll have to leave that there. _ we saw at the beginning. we'll have to leave that there. my _ we saw at the beginning. we'll have to leave that there. my thanks - we saw at the beginning. we'll have to leave that there. my thanks to i to leave that there. my thanks to daniel al davis and carl bildt. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news.

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you're live with bbc news. the prime minister's pledge to stop the boats, carrying migrants across the boats, carrying migrants across the channel, is put to the test. new legislation known as the illegal migration bill has returned to the commons and will be voted on before mps had off next week to their summer recess. we're told the law will no longer apply retrospectively to those who've arrived here illegally since march. it accounts of several thousand people. the detention of unaccompanied children will be limited to eight days — significantly longer than the 2a hours proposed by the upper chained chamber. however, we understand ministers have not backed down on plans to ban migrants from claiming protection under modern slave laws, which could

spark a rebellion. theresa may, for instance, has done a lot of work to support those trafficked against their will. support those trafficked against theirwill. here's support those trafficked against their will. here's one of the fiercest opponents. helen catt is joining us. we're in for this period of ping—pong where various elements of the bill are poured over. where do you think the rebellion is at the moment? well, we haven't had one, to be honest. what we've had is a series of votes in the commons where, as part of this ping—pong process, the mps have gone through and the government has proposed removing pretty much all of the changes that the lords made. votes have been happening all evening. it took them more than three and a half hours and 18 different votes to go through all of this. but the upshot of this all is virtually all of the measures that the lord in have been removed.

those concessions have made it into the bill, so reinstating of the limits... �* �* , , the bill, so reinstating of the limits. . ._ 72 the bill, so reinstating of the - limits. . ._ 72 hours limits... bbc presenter... 72 hours for detaining _ limits... bbc presenter... 72 hours for detaining pregnant _ limits... bbc presenter... 72 hours for detaining pregnant women. - limits... bbc presenter... 72 hours| for detaining pregnant women. that time limit has been reinstated. unaccompanied children can now be granted immigration bail after eight days of detention rather than 28, so there are sort of content concessions. they weren't quite enough to appease backbenchers. mps who are concerned about these measures. 15 conservative mps voted against the measures concerning children, for example, and you mentioned that the former prime minister theresa may is a particularly vocal critic of this bill. the lords had put in an amendment that would have allowed people to claim asylum on the grounds of modern slavery, which the

government has this evening removed. she is deeply unhappy about that, but there weren't the numbers to stop her in the commons and rebellion. but we are only halfway through this process known as ping-pong, through this process known as ping—pong, where the bill gets dissent between the house of commons and the house of lords. it is now going to go up to the lords to decide whether they think any of their measures should be put back in order to put new measures in order to make further amendments. once that happens, that comes back to the commons for them to look at it again. that will have to happen pretty swiftly because parliament breaks for it summer recess at the end of next week, and it is key for the government to get this bill through because, as you mention, rishi sunak has made it one of his personal pledges to stop channel crossings via small boats. he said he was throwing everything out it. the government sees this as absolutely key to tackling it. helen catt, thank absolutely key to tackling it. helen catt. thank you _ absolutely key to tackling it. helen catt, thank you very _ absolutely key to tackling it. helen catt, thank you very much. -

absolutely key to tackling it. helen catt, thank you very much. justine | catt, thank you very much. justine greening, we haven't touched on the government rwanda deportation policy. the reason is because it's yet to go to the supreme court. what happens if they rule against it? that is still pending. it happens if they rule against it? that is still pending.— happens if they rule against it? that is still pending. it is, and at the moment. — that is still pending. it is, and at the moment, ministers- that is still pending. it is, and at the moment, ministers seem . that is still pending. it is, and at - the moment, ministers seem confident they will— the moment, ministers seem confident they will he _ the moment, ministers seem confident they will be winning _ the moment, ministers seem confident they will be winning this _ the moment, ministers seem confident they will be winning this case. - they will be winning this case. but it's fair— they will be winning this case. but it's fair to — they will be winning this case. but it's fair to say _ they will be winning this case. but it's fair to say that _ they will be winning this case. but it's fair to say that for— they will be winning this case. but it's fair to say that for rishi - it's fair to say that for rishi sunak's_ it's fair to say that for rishi sunak's keith _ it's fair to say that for rishi sunak's keith priority, - it's fair to say that for rishi sunak's keith priority, to l it's fair to say that for rishi . sunak's keith priority, to stop it's fair to say that for rishi - sunak's keith priority, to stop the small— sunak's keith priority, to stop the small boats. _ sunak's keith priority, to stop the small boats, getting _ sunak's keith priority, to stop the small boats, getting that - sunak's keith priority, to stop the small boats, getting that legal. small boats, getting that legal case, — small boats, getting that legal case, having _ small boats, getting that legal case, having a _ small boats, getting that legal case, having a positive - small boats, getting that legal. case, having a positive outcome small boats, getting that legal - case, having a positive outcome for the government— case, having a positive outcome for the government is— case, having a positive outcome for the government is vital— case, having a positive outcome for the government is vital for- case, having a positive outcome for the government is vital for him - case, having a positive outcome for the government is vital for him to i the government is vital for him to be able _ the government is vital for him to be able to— the government is vital for him to be able to deliver _ the government is vital for him to be able to deliver on _ the government is vital for him to be able to deliver on this - the government is vital for him to be able to deliver on this —— - the government is vital for him to be able to deliver on this —— keyi be able to deliver on this —— key priority — be able to deliver on this —— key priority. one _ be able to deliver on this —— key priority. one thing _ be able to deliver on this —— key priority. one thing that - be able to deliver on this —— key priority. one thing that was - priority. one thing that was discussed _ priority. one thing that was discussed last— priority. one thing that was discussed last week - priority. one thing that was discussed last week was . priority. one thing that was discussed last week was is i priority. one thing that was - discussed last week was is there a plan b? _ discussed last week was is there a plan b? if— discussed last week was is there a plan b? ifthe _ discussed last week was is there a plan b? if the rwanda _ discussed last week was is there a plan b? if the rwanda policy- discussed last week was is there a plan b? if the rwanda policy is - plan b? if the rwanda policy is found — plan b? if the rwanda policy is found to — plan b? if the rwanda policy is found to be _ plan b? if the rwanda policy is found to be unlawful— plan b? if the rwanda policy is found to be unlawful and - plan b? if the rwanda policy is found to be unlawful and can l plan b? if the rwanda policy is - found to be unlawful and can be put into place. — found to be unlawful and can be put into place. and _ found to be unlawful and can be put into place, and there _ found to be unlawful and can be put into place, and there was _ found to be unlawful and can be put into place, and there was no - found to be unlawful and can be put into place, and there was no plan i found to be unlawful and can be put| into place, and there was no plan b. that combined — into place, and there was no plan b. that combined with _ into place, and there was no plan b. that combined with the _ into place, and there was no plan b. that combined with the bill - into place, and there was no plan b. that combined with the bill going. that combined with the bill going through— that combined with the bill going through today _ that combined with the bill going through today and _ that combined with the bill going through today and those - that combined with the bill going - through today and those concessions the government— through today and those concessions the government is— through today and those concessions the government is having _ through today and those concessions the government is having to- through today and those concessions the government is having to make, i the government is having to make, probably— the government is having to make, probably potentially— the government is having to make, probably potentially more - the government is having to make, probably potentially more for- the government is having to make, probably potentially more for the l probably potentially more for the lords _ probably potentially more for the lords over— probably potentially more for the

lords over the _ probably potentially more for the lords over the coming _ probably potentially more for the lords over the coming days. - probably potentially more for the lords over the coming days. i- probably potentially more for the . lords over the coming days. i think it really— lords over the coming days. i think it really underlines _ lords over the coming days. i think it really underlines how _ lords over the coming days. i think it really underlines how the - it really underlines how the government— it really underlines how the government has— it really underlines how the government has these - it really underlines how the government has these five| it really underlines how the . government has these five key priorities, _ government has these five key priorities, one _ government has these five key priorities, one of— government has these five key priorities, one of them - government has these five key priorities, one of them around| government has these five key- priorities, one of them around and that of— priorities, one of them around and that of gratian, _ priorities, one of them around and that of gratian, but _ priorities, one of them around and that of gratian, but it _ priorities, one of them around and that of gratian, but it and - priorities, one of them around and that of gratian, but it and is- that of gratian, but it and is exceptionally— that of gratian, but it and is exceptionally hard - that of gratian, but it and is exceptionally hard for- that of gratian, but it and is exceptionally hard for them| that of gratian, but it and is. exceptionally hard for them to really — exceptionally hard for them to really make _ exceptionally hard for them to really make a _ exceptionally hard for them to really make a difference. - exceptionally hard for them to really make a difference. withj exceptionally hard for them to i really make a difference. with an election— really make a difference. with an election next— really make a difference. with an election next year, _ really make a difference. with an election next year, it's _ really make a difference. with an election next year, it's vital - really make a difference. with an election next year, it's vital for l election next year, it's vital for the prime _ election next year, it's vital for the prime minister— election next year, it's vital for the prime minister to- election next year, it's vital for the prime minister to show- election next year, it's vital for l the prime minister to show some progress — the prime minister to show some progress tan _ the prime minister to show some ”roress. ., �* ., progress. ian bremmer, from the taxa er progress. ian bremmer, from the taxpayer and _ progress. ian bremmer, from the taxpayer and government - progress. ian bremmer, from the - taxpayer and government perspective, there are new home office figures splashed across newspapers that reveal the government spending more than half1 million pounds a day on empty hotel beds. but the solution, the cost of sending people to rwanda may be even more expensive. find the cost of sending people to rwanda may be even more expensive. and it's not clear how — may be even more expensive. and it's not clear how the _ may be even more expensive. and it's not clear how the supreme _ may be even more expensive. and it's not clear how the supreme court - not clear how the supreme court comes— not clear how the supreme court comes down on it, because there is an argument— comes down on it, because there is an argument that this implies unfair treatment— an argument that this implies unfair treatment of the asylum seekers and it's not— treatment of the asylum seekers and it's not actually safe to send them to rwanda — it's not actually safe to send them to rwanda. having said all that,

like in _ to rwanda. having said all that, like in my— to rwanda. having said all that, like in my own country, this is not the top _ like in my own country, this is not the top issue _ like in my own country, this is not the top issue that is driving voters' _ the top issue that is driving voters' concerns politically. in the uk, it _ voters' concerns politically. in the uk, it is— voters' concerns politically. in the uk, it is much more about the economy, _ uk, it is much more about the economy, about the nhs. in the united _ economy, about the nhs. in the united states, it is much more about the economy and inflation and jobs. yes, the economy and inflation and jobs. yes. you _ the economy and inflation and jobs. yes. you can — the economy and inflation and jobs. yes, you can score points on immigration, you can play politics with human bodies that aren't your citizens— with human bodies that aren't your citizens much easier. but ultimately, and fortunately, it's not the — ultimately, and fortunately, it's not the single issue that is on top of the _ not the single issue that is on top of the political agenda today. thank ou for of the political agenda today. thank you for that- — of the political agenda today. thank you for that. we'll _ of the political agenda today. thank you for that. we'll be _ of the political agenda today. thank you for that. we'll be right - of the political agenda today. thank you for that. we'll be right back. . good evening. the shower clouds menacing in the menai straits behind me earlier today. it has been a day of contrasts, really. the sunshine between the showers, but when they've come along, we've had some really torrential downpours, lots of thunder and lightning, some hail in there as well. a rather more persistent band of rain still across the north of scotland.

the showers perhaps fading a little later this evening and overnight across england and wales, but some more persistent rain potentially pushing through northern ireland into southern scotland, again back into north wales and northern england. i think we've lost the humidity, so a more comfortable night for sleeping. but those breezes, that brisk wind will continue to push those showers eastwards overnight and into wednesday with that low pressure close by. perhaps a little respite in the south on thursday, but not for long. the next area of wet and windy weather comes in by the end of the week and then lingers into the weekend. we're set in this trend, really, at the moment of really very unsettled weather. so, wednesday dawning with a little bit of sunshine, but the shower cloud soon gets going and they'll be heavy and frequent across northern ireland, scotland, northern england. and there will be showers further south as well — almost nowhere exempt from them, so when they come along, they will move through on that brisk wind coming from the west or the north—west. so it'll feel fresher, but as i say there is still the chance of some,

showers disrupting the play on wednesday at wimbledon, for example, because they will be coming through on that brisk breeze at times. squally winds and downpours continue into the evening. they fade a little, then, as we head towards thursday morning in southern areas. again, a pleasant night for sleeping having lost that humidity, fairly cool i should imagine in the suburbs, perhaps into single figures. but that ridge of high pressure's really only around in southern areas. still some heavy showers further north. and then, this next area of low pressure pushes back in with some more persistent rain and a bout of strong winds again for friday. but for thursday, again plenty of showers, slow—moving and heavy but for thursday, again, plenty of showers, slow—moving and heavy with the slightly less windy weather in the north. perhaps fewer showers in the south, but there'll still be some around. with a bit more sunshine, temperatures will be a little higher. and then, into friday, as our next area of low pressure winds itself in, it will give another spell of quite heavy and thundery rain, strong winds to go with it and following some heavy showers. and you can see it stays unsettled for the most part into the early part of next week as well.

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