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above do above 60 degrees. set to rocket above a0 degrees. you're watching bbc news, on day two of the nato summit in the lithuanian capital vilnius, where western powers are due to sign a new security arrangement with ukraine later. we are expecting a press conference from the nato secretary—general in a few minutes�* time, so let's cross straight to my colleague lewis vaughanjones who is in vilnius for us. thank you very much, we are expecting this a press conference, we are hoping it happens on time, it may or may not, but it is due to get under way in a couple of minutes�* time. the reason it is very interesting is becausejens stoltenberg, the head of nato, is expected to be speaking with president zelensky. num ro memm yesterday there was a bit of a confrontation, perhaps, overthe
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confrontation, perhaps, over the issue confrontation, perhaps, overthe issue of ukraine's membership of nato. my colleague has a nice turn of phrase which i want to bring you, this is how he described yesterday, he said, ukraine has been knocking at nato's door for years asking to join, yesterday zelensky was pretty much banging on that door, that was his assessment of how president zelensky yesterday was saying was absurd, if ukraine did not get a timeline tojoin nato, this crucial military defensive alliance of 31 countries, ukraine has been promised for a long time that it's future is in nato, ukraine saying, give us a timeline, pretty much as soon as the conflict with russia finishes, nato did not go that far. so, the reaction today is what we are interested in. we want to hearfrom both of these key men, to see what conversations they have had, and
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what zelinsky will be saying now, if anything at all, about his demands yesterday that don't seem to be quite met. let's bring in some expertise now, we can speak to someone from our ukraine service. it is great to see you, so potentially this is a difficult balance forjens stoltenberg from nato and for president zelensky, zelensky yesterday very forthright, how has it gone down, what the offer from nato eventually was?— it gone down, what the offer from nato eventually was? obviously, i have to say _ nato eventually was? obviously, i have to say that _ nato eventually was? obviously, i have to say that there _ nato eventually was? obviously, i have to say that there is _ nato eventually was? obviously, i have to say that there is kind - nato eventually was? obviously, i have to say that there is kind of. have to say that there is kind of disappointment, there is a disappointment, there is a disappointment which is felt by ordinary ukrainians and by, i assume, the president's team and to zelinsky himself. ned and i can explain it in a very simple way, it would be of course an oversimplification of the situation, but it can explain and show what
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ukrainians feel and how they feel about these decisions, that ukraine will be invited to nato, probably, in the future, if certain conditions are met, and if all allies agree. so, imagine you are a house which is bombed and shelled all the time by your enemy, that is very dangerous, your enemy, that is very dangerous, you can look out of the window of the house and see the safe place, and you know how to get there, and you won't get there and you are ready to do this, but you received this answer from that side, no, it is not time yet, we can't invite you right now, we need some time to think, and you are not ready yet. that is a really powerful way of putting it. we've been hearing lots of people talk about the frustration, about ukraine being so potentially close and yet seemingly so far from joining nato, potentially close and yet seemingly so farfromjoining nato, i potentially close and yet seemingly so farfrom joining nato, i think that really brings it home. so far from joining nato, i think that really brings it home. yeah, and that is _
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that really brings it home. yeah, and that is the _ that really brings it home. yeah, and that is the feeling _ that really brings it home. yeah, and that is the feeling that - that really brings it home. yeah, and that is the feeling that you l and that is the feeling that you have, i myself as a ukrainian journalist, i am have, i myself as a ukrainian journalist, iam based in have, i myself as a ukrainian journalist, i am based in kyiv, have, i myself as a ukrainian journalist, iam based in kyiv, i share these feelings, because when you know what it means to stay under russian attacks day and night, you understand this. but at the same time, i think anyway this is historicalfor ukraine, because time, i think anyway this is historical for ukraine, because as a nation, ukraine, as we do hope that will be a possible future member of nato, is learning how to do politics, diplomacy, with being in nato structures, within this highly complicated, process of negotiations and talks, when it is necessary to find the consensus. so, i think that is a very big lesson for zelensky�*s team as well, even if they are feeling this disappointment right now. . , feeling this disappointment right now. ., , , ., , feeling this disappointment right now. . , , ., now. that is so interesting on the di - lomatic now. that is so interesting on the diplomatic side _ now. that is so interesting on the diplomatic side and _ now. that is so interesting on the diplomatic side and on _ now. that is so interesting on the diplomatic side and on your - now. that is so interesting on the i diplomatic side and on your personal connection as well, we really appreciate that. we will come right
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to you but ijust want appreciate that. we will come right to you but i just want to set the scene little, because you may hear president zelensky in this press conference, you may hear yun stoltenberg talking about three priorities, we heard a little bit from zelensky on that earlier on, and he mentioned them in the last kind of 90 minutes, two hours or so, the three priorities that he talked about where weapons, packages, so, continued military support, from nato allies into ukraine, so that is equipment, ammunition, intelligence sharing, the second, he used the phrase, they are on the same page, ukraine and nato are on the same page. and that informed conversation, dialogue, open channels of dialogue, is being effectively formalised by something called the nato ukraine council, first meeting today, actually, this is the second priority, the second area that nato offered ukraine, and we should get a sense of how that is
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gone and how potentially it will work, and then the third priority for zelensky that he was talking about this morning was that invitation to formally join about this morning was that invitation to formallyjoin nato, when certain conditions are met. now, the main condition being that ukraine is not at war. because the way that nato works, it has a principle, but if you are a member of this defensive alliance, as these 31 countries are, then the idea is, and attacks against one country is and attacks against one country is an attack against all countries. what does that mean? well, if you are this group which includes lots of european countries, canada, the us, if anyone of those countries is attacked by an outside country, then all the countries in the alliance go to the defensive aid. so, if, for example, nato suddenly decided at this summit that ukraine will become a member right now, whilst of the war is ongoing, that means that nato
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is effectively at war with russia, that isn't something which is in anyway palatable to the nato members, so that is not going to happen. there is an understanding from that of the lenskii team that thatis from that of the lenskii team that that is not going to happen, and that is not going to happen, and thatis that is not going to happen, and that is not going to happen, and that is not what he is asking for, that's why he was asking for this timetable. and a certainty that when the fighting is finished, there will be a fairly quick process to then become a full member of nato. the concession that nato seems to have made is, we are not going to give you a timetable for guarantee, what we are going to give you, though, is a speeded up process, so, some of the procedural hopes that countries normally have to jump through will be bypassed, and that will be welcomed, i'm sure, from president zelensky�*s point of view, simply not enough. that is a bit of the background. interesting reaction also that we are going to get a little bit later on is from
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president biden, who will be speaking in a couple of hours' time, it will be interesting to see what president biden focuses on. just to give you a sense of what we are waiting for, if i stepped out of the way here, you can see this is the media room, but those three big screens provide the feeds from what is happening, the key moments throughout the summit, so, we are in one building here with the world's press down below us there, and then world leaders and politicians and officials and delegates meetjust in the building next door, a couple of different buildings, actually, and there is a feed that comes through under those big screens and when it gets under way. so and when the press conference withjens stoltenberg gets under way of course we will bring that to you, we should seek it on the screens and then we will go to it. let's go back to
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jana. let's go to the war, the fighting, and the cause here for greater coherence and coordination of military packages from nato members to ukraine. we have had over the last couple of days a drip drip of announcements from individual countries committing things like equipment, training, how significant have those commitments been, in your assessment? you have those commitments been, in your assessment?— assessment? you know, first of all, what is really _ assessment? you know, first of all, what is really important _ assessment? you know, first of all, what is really important to - what is really important to understand is that if ukraine stays outside nato for long, it means it needs very firm, security guarantees and even commitments from its western partners, from allies of nato. so, so if we take for example
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this package of the military and financial support for ukraine that nato directly provides for ukraine, package of 500 billion euros, that is good, but obviously that is just the starting point. the main military and financial package of strategic support for ukraine for the years ahead, they come from countries, from allies, and just beforejoining you, i had a message from the ukraine president's administration who confirmed that they have today very important bilateral things with the uk, with canada, with australia, all these bilateral agreements and meetings, they are essential for the security guarantees, and it is also very, very important to know that again, if ukraine is offered to go down some kind of path which is similar
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to israel's path towards the model of self defence and certain kinds of self—sufficiency, it means ukraine needs to get very substantial security guarantees from western partners, otherwise it's not possible, and it means lots of additional things, possible, and it means lots of additionalthings, it possible, and it means lots of additional things, it means that ukraine needs to get fighterjets like f—16 in a big number, notjust two groups of fighterjets, but it should be a substantial number. find should be a substantial number. and of course the training on those. that was the announcement which was made in august so, not too long away there is a training set up, just one of the interesting things on exactly that issue, i was speaking to the latvian prime minister and he told me almost ingest a serious point that the commitment to training ukrainian forces up to nato standards will be so significant
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that once the process is up and running, he kind of halfjoked that the ukrainian forces would then be training nato allies in the latest equipment and intelligence. so, some sign of the commitment to that long—term levelling up, as it were, of the ukrainian tactics, equipment and bringing some kind of harmony between the ukrainian fighting forces and the nato standards. if you're justjoining forces and the nato standards. if you'rejustjoining us here on bbc news, you're very welcome, i am lewis vaughanjones live in vilnius in litter when you are, we are just waiting for a press conference from the head of nato, young stoltenberg, and the ukrainian leader president zelensky, due to kick off in a couple of minutes. first get let's get a roundup of exactly where we are so far in this, from my colleaguejames landale. resident colleague james landale. resident talansky colleaguejames landale. resident talansky arrived in vilnius to the sound of cheers and applause, the
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crowds hailing a leader who had taken the fight to russia. 0n crowds hailing a leader who had taken the fight to russia. on his mind, getting nato to support that fight. by letting ukrainejoin the club. translation: ~ ., club. translation: 4' ., ., ~ club. translation: «a, ., ., translation: ukraine will make nato stronuer and translation: ukraine will make nato stronger and nato _ translation: ukraine will make nato stronger and nato will— translation: ukraine will make nato stronger and nato will make _ translation: ukraine will make nato stronger and nato will make ukraine . stronger and nato will make ukraine safer. �* _, ., safer. and while the welcome to the summit dinner _ safer. and while the welcome to the summit dinner was _ safer. and while the welcome to the summit dinner was warm _ safer. and while the welcome to the summit dinner was warm and - safer. and while the welcome to the l summit dinner was warm and friendly, the cold print of the summit communiqu was anything but. nato wants ukraine tojoin, but it will not say when and it will not say how. ~ , , ., ., ., ., how. we will issue an invitation for ukraine to join _ how. we will issue an invitation for ukraine to join nato _ how. we will issue an invitation for ukraine to join nato when - how. we will issue an invitation for ukraine to join nato when allies i ukraine to join nato when allies agree and conditions are met. this is a strong package for ukraine. and a clear path towards its membership in nato. . , a clear path towards its membership in nato. ., , , in nato. initially, president zelensky — in nato. initially, president zelensky responded - in nato. initially, president| zelensky responded angrily, in nato. initially, president- zelensky responded angrily, saying the absence of any timetable was absurd. but later he tweeted his gratitude to allies for the extra
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support they are giving. nato leaders are expected to set out new security guarantees for ukraine with the promise of organised military support to deter future russian aggression. rishi sunak said some allies will even make a joint declaration from missing long—term security commitments to ensure ukraine is never left vulnerable to russian brutality. and today, president zelensky will also get to sit around this table as an equal partner in the first meeting of the new nato ukraine counsel, giving kyiv the power to trigger crisis talks with the alliance. so, nato has offered ukraine hospitality here at the summit and more support and security in the years to come. just not quite as much as president zelensky might have hoped for. that was james landale bringing us up
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that was james landale bringing us up to date with the significant events yesterday, and it really was a significant day, that is how it is being viewed certainly from the nato perspective. there was a significant announcements and commitments to ukraine. so, when everyone woke up this morning it was all about the reaction from president zelensky. what would he say about those commitments that ukraine have received? we know clearly it was not exactly everything he had wanted, but he did arrive here this morning, so if you hours ago, and was very, very briefly able to speak to the press, just take a listen to what he said. fin press, 'ust take a listen to what he said. ., ., ., ., ., said. on our agenda we have a thing for today three _ said. on our agenda we have a thing for today three priority _ said. on our agenda we have a thing for today three priority questions, i for today three priority questions, the first one is weapon packages, new weapons packages for supporting our army on the battlefield. that is one, the second, i think, our army on the battlefield. that is one, the second, ithink, the invitation to nato, and we want to
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be on the same page with everybody with all the understanding, and for today, what we hear and understand, that we will have this invitation, when security measures will allow. so, president zelensky kind of mirroring the three priorities, there is three areas that were offered by nato, military support, greater communication and eventually things like a speeded up process for ukraine tojoin nato things like a speeded up process for ukraine to join nato formally. so clearly a mirroring of language there between what president zelensky said this morning and what nato announced yesterday. what we are hoping for is a little bit more detail and character and try and judge exactly if any needles have been moved, if any discussions have had any impact and if any more details come out in anyway which
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alter what the big announcements were from yesterday. now, this isn't just about ukraine although clearly ukraine is a huge focus of this nato summit, nato is a defensive alliance, so, countries choosing to join an organisation that all agree to support each other if one of them was attacked and the considerable threat at the moment clearly is russia. so, a lot of this, the conversations here between the nato allies is, yes, about supporting ukraine and ukraine's members ship but it is also about strengthening nato as it is with its existing membership, remember finland joining this year, sweden very soon to be joining, too. so, the existing membership, how can it strengthen itself against the russian threat? a big strategic plan was launched at this summit last year which was in madrid, and so lots of the allies
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here wanting to have a progress check, so, how are they getting on with their own individual defence spending? how are they getting on with coordinating their intelligence and military potential, how are they getting on with things like increasing the high readiness number of troops to be able to be deployed? lots of strategic, military issues within nato, quite separate from ukraine but certainly focused towards russia and it is notjust nato here, clearly it is made up of lots of european countries, canada, the us as well, but it's about global global democracies puzzle banding together and trying to send signals of unity and that is exact what ursula von der leyen was doing early amid a everybody has understood that this is more than the war that russia unleashed against ukraine, it is the question of who we are what the rules are globally. we do never want to accept
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that might makes right. we are determined to defend the international law, the un charter, and this is what unites us here in vilnius. let's bring my colleague zhanna bezpiatchuk back in. i want to talk about how this summit is going to be viewed in russia, because i've been reading a little bit of the reporting about how the russian media have been covering this, one angle that than they have been pointing towards is that all the attention on ukraine and talking about other issues, they are saying, is a way of not talking about the failure of ukraine's counteroffensive come of this is the words in the russian media, russian state tv, for example, saying that the ukrainian counteroffensive hasn't been very effective, they call it a nato counteroffensive, which of course it isn't. but what do you make of that as a response
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and a take on what is happening? yes, in fact, there is nothing new in this kind of reaction, because it is an essential part of the russian propaganda during this war, to underline all the time whatever the ukrainian army does, it is a failure. even when the russian army was clearly objectively defeated by the ukrainian forces in the north of the ukrainian forces in the north of the country, for example in kherson for example, in the south of the country when one of the biggest cities that was occupied by the russian army was liberated, gains by the ukrainian army, russia used to say, look, it is not a defeat, we are not defeated, wejust say, look, it is not a defeat, we are not defeated, we just have to withdraw for some strategic reasons, whatever. so it's the propaganda. and this reaction doesn't change anything for ukraine. but what is
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really important for ukraine in terms of the russian response is that the right conditions for ukraine to be invited to nato in the future. these conditions, they are not specified, but it was explained already by young stoltenberg, by the ukrainian president, that obviously one of the key conditions it is expected as the end of the war. and the very big question, what is the end of the war for russia? for example, there might be the point in time when there will be a ceasefire. but russia always can again shell the border areas, the borders with ukraine, for example, not to allow this war to end. and then the security condition for possible ukraine's future membership in nato won't be met. so, this is something thatis won't be met. so, this is something that is really a very big concern
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from the ukrainian perspective, something that we want to also ask the ukrainian president about and other leaders what they think. zhanna bezpiatchuk, thank you so much. ijust want zhanna bezpiatchuk, thank you so much. i just want to explain, zhanna bezpiatchuk, thank you so much. ijust want to explain, as you are talking there we are also seeing on the screen, as you can see, the podiums, and the lecterns which hopefully means young stoltenberg, head of nato, and president zelensky from ukraine, will be walking up on that stage and will hopefully be speaking to us fairly shortly. they were due on a bit of a while ago now, i am sorry to have promised a press conference timing and the timing has slipped a little, as you can understand, not completely in my control, but we will be listening very, very carefully to what these two men say, because yesterday, they seem to be at a little bit of a
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distance from each other, president zelensky saying, i want a timeline for when ukraine can actually formallyjoin nato, and young stoltenberg saying, he did not say it but he effectively did not give that firm commitment to a timeline. he did give other very definite and firm commitments that nato certainly see as a very strong commitment towards ukraine and ukraine's future within nato but it didn't exactly go as far as perhaps president zelensky wanted. let's pick over that, emily ferris, russia analyst from a think—tank. very nice to see you again. so, as we wait now for young stoltenberg and president zelensky to get up on that stage and give us their thoughts, what are you looking out for? ~ ~ ., , out for? well, i think there has obviously _ out for? well, i think there has obviously been _ out for? well, i think there has obviously been a _ out for? well, i think there has obviously been a degree - out for? well, i think there has obviously been a degree of- obviously been a degree of frustration from the ukrainian side that perhaps some of the discussions around nato mothership were not what they envisaged, but i think the
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message has been quite clear over the last few panel discussions which we have been watching quite closely that unity is not necessarily from within the alliance about all agreeing on the exact same issues but rather there is a broad strategic consensus, and i think there has been quite a clear message to moscow that there are red lines, that the invasion of ukraine was unacceptable, and that there should be some kind of security guarantees for ukraine. 50. be some kind of security guarantees for ukraine-— for ukraine. so, following that, then, do for ukraine. so, following that, then. do you — for ukraine. so, following that, then, do you think— for ukraine. so, following that, then, do you think that - for ukraine. so, following that, then, do you think that actually perhaps young stoltenberg and the us, germany, won't actually be too bothered in the big scheme of things about zelensky�*s language yesterday, saying it was absurd to not get a detailed timeline, that actually in the big scheme of things, the point of unity and consensus on that strategic point welcome out of this summit? i strategic point welcome out of this summit? ~ , strategic point welcome out of this summit? ~' , ., summit? i think there is an understanding _ summit? i think there is an understanding that - summit? i think there is an understanding that ukraine j summit? i think there is an l understanding that ukraine is summit? i think there is an - understanding that ukraine is at a very pivotal point, that it is fighting for its very survival, that this is an existential crisis and that in a war there is always going
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to be some sort of messy language and i think that will be to some degree forgiven by the alliance, i think they've been talking in quite warm terms today about being inclusive of ukraine and trying to ensure that there is a strong message sent to the kremlin. i was scannin: message sent to the kremlin. i was scanning through — message sent to the kremlin. i was scanning through how _ message sent to the kremlin. i was scanning through how the - message sent to the kremlin. i was scanning through how the russian media have been talking about this nato summit and the way that they were framing it for their domestic audiences in russia, the fact that this summit wasn't talking about the ukrainian counteroffensive means in some way they were trying to avoid the fact that the ukrainian counteroffensive has been a failure. what do you make of that framing? i think there has actually been quite a few different narratives in the russian press about how the conference is going so far. i think one of the most interesting is that they have promoted quite a bit the discussions around sweden and erdogan, and saying that that means discussions around ukraine have been sidelined, which is obviously not
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correct. what we have seen is that ukraine is very much front and centre. so the russian attempts to whitewash the discussions towards a certain angle i think probably reflect a degree of unease within the kremlin about the fact that there are these conversations happening at all.— happening at all. that is an interesting _ happening at all. that is an interesting point. - happening at all. that is an interesting point. away - happening at all. that is an l interesting point. away from happening at all. that is an - interesting point. away from how the media is framing it, how, inside the kremlin, do you think the true reactions to this summit will be? we really wind a couple of years, we zoom out, —— we rewind. nato had a fair bit of criticism as an organisation from internal members, as well as externally, i was speaking to the latvian prime minister yesterday, saying russia's actions have rejuvenated nato, is that something that you think is being reflected within the kremlin, has an vladimir putin's aides
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talking about that? i has an vladimir putin's aides talking about that?— has an vladimir putin's aides talking about that? i think it is certainly a _ talking about that? i think it is certainly a security _ talking about that? i think it is certainly a security concern - talking about that? i think it is certainly a security concern for moscow back if anything what is challenging is to know where russia's red lines are at the moment. because they seem to be moving all the time. and although discussions around 8mm ship of ukraine seem to be a red line for moscow, it is not quite clear what the response from moscow actually would be and how far they would be prepared to go to defend that. it is quite clear that russia sees ukraine as part of it sound strategic security space, we're not even talking in terms of those traditional soviet spheres of influence any more. so it remains to be seen how moscow would react but they are laying the groundwork for it. ., ~ , ., , . they are laying the groundwork for it. thank you very much for your thou~hts it. thank you very much for your thoughts on _ it. thank you very much for your thoughts on that. _ it. thank you very much for your thoughts on that. thank - it. thank you very much for your thoughts on that. thank you - it. thank you very much for yourj thoughts on that. thank you and it. thank you very much for your - thoughts on that. thank you and we are going tuesday standing by here in will the of vilnius in little an as we wait for that press conference to get under way but i am going to hand you back to london and rajini and we will come straight back here to vilnius as it gets under way. thank you, lewis, we will get back to you when the speech gets under
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way. let's bring you now some shots that are coming in from the west bank, from jenin, showing the palestinian president mahmoud abbas, who was visiting the camp in the occupied west bank, that is where israel carried out a major military operation last week. mahmoud abbas is due to lay a wreath at the graves of 12 palestinians who were killed during the raid. israel views that come as a terror hub and says that all of those who were killed are combatants. this all comes days after senior un officials and donor partners visited the refugee camp in jenin and a statement from the un after that visit described the destruction following those raids as shocking, with houses completely burned down, cars crushed against walls and damaged. so, those pictures that we are bringing you there are from the west bank, from there are from the west bank, from the city ofjenin, from the refugee
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camp, the palestinian camp, and the palestinian president mahmoud abbas is visiting the camp there. he is as i said earlier expected to lay a wreath at the graves of 12 palestinians who were killed during the refugee camp. let's go to the press conference now in vilnius. it is truly an honour to have you it is truly an honour to have you at it is truly an honour to have you at the nato summit. when russia invaded ukraine last year, he underestimated the bravery of the ukrainian people, the bravery of the ukrainian people, the courage of the forces, and the determination of ukrainian political leadership. but he also underestimated the unity and strength of the nato alliance. nato will continue to stand with you for as long as it takes. nato allies
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have provided tens of billions of dollars in support over the past year. and now we have agreed a three part package, bringing ukraine closer to nato. a multi—programme of practical assistance, establishing a new nato ukraine council, and reaffirming that ukraine will become a member of nato and removing the requirement for the membership action plan. 0ur requirement for the membership action plan. our new multi—year programme of assistance for ukraine will help you transition from the soviet era to nato equipment and standards, and will make ukraine's forces fully with nato. the inaugural meeting of the councils starts in a few minutes. this is a
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forum where ukraine and nato allies will meet as equals. they will hold crisis consultations and jointly take decisions. ukraine is now closer to nato than ever before. allies reaffirmed that ukraine will become a member of the alliance. and agreed to remove the requirement for agreed to remove the requirement for a membership action plan. this will change ukraine's membership path from a 2—step process to a 1—step process. and we will issue an invitation for ukraine to join nato when allies agree that conditions are met. this is a strong, united message from allies on your path to nato membership. we must ensure that when this war ends, there are
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credible arrangements in place for ukraine's security. so that history does not repeat itself. i therefore welcome the many allies today will commit to providing long—term security assistance to ukraine. this will help deter any future aggression from russia after this war ends. and it compliments the support provided by nato. the decisions made here in readiness marked the beginning of a new chapter in the relationship between nato and ukraine. today, we meet as equals. i look forward to today we meet as allies. and again, a very warm welcome to you.— meet as allies. and again, a very warm welcome to you. thank you so much.
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translation: dear, everyone, i am leased to translation: dear, everyone, i am pleased to say — translation: dear, everyone, i am pleased to say search _ translation: dear, everyone, i am pleased to say search and _ pleased to say search and expectation of news, good news, securily— expectation of news, good news, security is — expectation of news, good news, security is something that is obviously lacking right now and our cooperation in nato of is something that will— cooperation in nato of is something that will definitely fill the security deficit ukraine will always be a contributor to our common security — be a contributor to our common security. security is our key objective _ security. security is our key objective for the nato summit, for all the _ objective for the nato summit, for all the meetings and for all our communications. i would like to welcome — communications. i would like to welcome the extension of the mandate of the _ welcome the extension of the mandate of the secretary—general for another year~ _ of the secretary—general for another year~ i_ of the secretary—general for another year. i thank you for your support. i year. i thank you for your support. i highly— year. i thank you for your support. i highly appreciated. thank you.
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second. — i highly appreciated. thank you. second, we have discussed in detail the situation regarding the confrontation with russia, for the sake _ confrontation with russia, for the sake of— confrontation with russia, for the sake of peace. and what we can do to -ive sake of peace. and what we can do to give more _ sake of peace. and what we can do to give more protection to our people. that is— give more protection to our people. that is primarily concerning the security— that is primarily concerning the security defence assistance from our partners _ security defence assistance from our partners and i would like to say we have _ partners and i would like to say we have some — partners and i would like to say we have some positive news on the new packages _ have some positive news on the new packages of— have some positive news on the new packages of defence support coming from cwr— packages of defence support coming from our partners, and here in the summit— from our partners, and here in the summit we— from our partners, and here in the summit we already have a number of meetings _ summit we already have a number of meetings. we have a number of arrangement, and i'm gratefulto meetings. we have a number of arrangement, and i'm grateful to all those _ arrangement, and i'm grateful to all those leaders who offered this packages of support. thirdly, we discussed — packages of support. thirdly, we discussed the expectations of nato summit _ discussed the expectations of nato summit. it is important that ukraine will not _ summit. it is important that ukraine will not need a membership action plan on _ will not need a membership action plan on its — will not need a membership action plan on its way to nato, and i would like to _ plan on its way to nato, and i would like to extend gratitude to you for
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this important step. i know how many conversations or arrangements were to he _ conversations or arrangements were to he made _ conversations or arrangements were to be made for such an event. we have _ to be made for such an event. we have taken— to be made for such an event. we have taken a _ to be made for such an event. we have taken a long path with nato, and our— have taken a long path with nato, and our soldiers have good expertise in cooperation with nato. they have proven _ in cooperation with nato. they have proven they — in cooperation with nato. they have proven they can use the weapons, they proved the democracy is far stronger— they proved the democracy is far stronger than the terrorist attacks. even _ stronger than the terrorist attacks. even during the full—scale war against — even during the full—scale war against russia, ukraine continues to conduct _ against russia, ukraine continues to conduct reform and process of our eu integration. _ conduct reform and process of our eu integration, we have outlined what we need _ integration, we have outlined what we need to— integration, we have outlined what we need to do. we are doing it. therefore. _ we need to do. we are doing it. therefore, we appreciate the recognition that ukraine would not need _ recognition that ukraine would not need a _ recognition that ukraine would not need a membership action plan on its way to— need a membership action plan on its way to nato~ — need a membership action plan on its way to nato. i would like to have a success _ way to nato. i would like to have a success for— way to nato. i would like to have a success for everyone, for our soldiers. _ success for everyone, for our soldiers, our citizens, our children and everyone, particularly the
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security— and everyone, particularly the security gantries which are important for the people —— guarantees. not in stead of nato, but on _ guarantees. not in stead of nato, but on other way into integration. today. _ but on other way into integration. today, these guarantees could be confirmed — today, these guarantees could be confirmed by the g7 countries. we will he _ confirmed by the g7 countries. we will be working on that. it will surely— will be working on that. it will surely become a very important and specific— surely become a very important and specific success. we can state that the result — specific success. we can state that the result of the summit are good, but should — the result of the summit are good, but should we receive an invitation that would — but should we receive an invitation that would be optimum, and i would like to— that would be optimum, and i would like to extend words of gratitude to lithuania, — like to extend words of gratitude to lithuania, notjust for the summit and for— lithuania, notjust for the summit and for this— lithuania, notjust for the summit and forthis summit, lithuania, notjust for the summit and for this summit, we can see the flags— and for this summit, we can see the flags on— and for this summit, we can see the flags on the — and for this summit, we can see the flags on the street. this is the human— flags on the street. this is the human relations. i would like to
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extend — human relations. i would like to extend words of gratitude. this is exactly— extend words of gratitude. this is exactly the support for us, and the energy— exactly the support for us, and the energy for— exactly the support for us, and the energy for us, as we are not in nato yet. energy for us, as we are not in nato yet this _ energy for us, as we are not in nato yet this is — energy for us, as we are not in nato yet. this is already the reality, this is— yet. this is already the reality, this is the _ yet. this is already the reality, this is the great support coming from _ this is the great support coming from the — this is the great support coming from the societies of around the world, _ from the societies of around the world, and — from the societies of around the world, and i thank you for this. this— world, and i thank you for this. this is— world, and i thank you for this. this is the _ world, and i thank you for this. this is the most important, as a future _ this is the most important, as a future fully— this is the most important, as a future fully fledged member of the alliance, _ future fully fledged member of the alliance, and a guarantee of security _ alliance, and a guarantee of security. and ukraine as a victorious— security. and ukraine as a victorious party in this war for the freedom — victorious party in this war for the freedom and values of ukraine. once again. _ freedom and values of ukraine. once again. thank— freedom and values of ukraine. once again, thank you. glory to ukraine. i have a question for both
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secretary—general- i have a question for both secretary—general and - i have a question for both - secretary—general and president zelensky — secretary-general and president zelens . �* secretary-general and president zelensky-_ are i secretary-general and president. zelensky._ are you secretary-general and president - zelensky._ are you happy zelensky. translation: are you happy with the conditions? _ zelensky. translation: are you happy with the conditions? what _ zelensky. translation: are you happy with the conditions? what would - zelensky. translation: are you happy with the conditions? what would you . with the conditions? what would you talk about _ with the conditions? what would you talk about today _ with the conditions? what would you talk about today during _ with the conditions? what would you talk about today during the - with the conditions? what would you talk about today during the council? i talk about today during the council? translation: _ talk about today during the council? translation:— translation: thank you for the . uestion. translation: thank you for the question. first _ translation: thank you for the question. first and _ translation: thank you for the question. first and foremost, - translation: thank you for the | question. first and foremost, the assessment... i have made my assessment... i have made my assessment in a public manner. what is most _ assessment in a public manner. what is most important is to have results _ is most important is to have results. we can see some specific points— results. we can see some specific points make and is closer to nato. as i points make and is closer to nato. as i have — points make and is closer to nato. as i have already said, some of the things. _ as i have already said, some of the things. it _ as i have already said, some of the things. it is— as i have already said, some of the things, it is difficult to explain to partners because we are at war, and the — to partners because we are at war, and the partners are willing owes to help _ and the partners are willing owes to help. they— and the partners are willing owes to help. they are helping, but still we
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are living _ help. they are helping, but still we are living under difficult conditions, because we are in the conditions — conditions, because we are in the conditions where survival matters and the _ conditions where survival matters and the partners are willing to supporters. before we can lead, we need _ supporters. before we can lead, we need to— supporters. before we can lead, we need to survive. that is a fast process, _ need to survive. that is a fast process, the processes that would need _ process, the processes that would need to— process, the processes that would need to result in the reform of the infrastructure of security. fortunately, we are paying the ultimate — fortunately, we are paying the ultimate price, this we can see how to fight— ultimate price, this we can see how to fight aggression. we are adequate, we understand people are helping _ adequate, we understand people are helping us. _ adequate, we understand people are helping us, and this is survival, something _ helping us, and this is survival, something we need. we understand some _ something we need. we understand some one _ something we need. we understand some one is afraid of talking about our membership, because nobody is willing _ our membership, because nobody is willing to _ our membership, because nobody is willing to have a world war, which is logical— willing to have a world war, which is logical and understandable. i
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want _ is logical and understandable. i want everyone to understand we are civilised _ want everyone to understand we are civilised and adequate people. ukraine — civilised and adequate people. ukraine is fighting, and it truly understands ukraine cannot be a member— understands ukraine cannot be a member nation as long as the war continues— member nation as long as the war continues on our territory. this is cleai’, _ continues on our territory. this is clear. but— continues on our territory. this is clear, but the signals are important, those signals which mentioned in meetings with partners, and i mentioned in meetings with partners, and i had _ mentioned in meetings with partners, and i had a _ mentioned in meetings with partners, and i had a number of meetings already. — and i had a number of meetings already, those statements about ukraine — already, those statements about ukraine becoming a member nation of nato~ _ ukraine becoming a member nation of nato~ and _ ukraine becoming a member nation of nato. and already we can hear some confident— nato. and already we can hear some confident statements. when the conditions will be met. my understanding is that when it will be secure — understanding is that when it will be secure on our land, our territory _ be secure on our land, our territory-— be secure on our land, our territo . , ., , , ., territory. the establishment of the council is one _ territory. the establishment of the council is one of— territory. the establishment of the council is one of the _ territory. the establishment of the council is one of the three - territory. the establishment of the l council is one of the three elements in the package we agreed today to
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ensure ukraine becomes even closer to nato. and the purpose of that decision is to strengthen the political ties, strengthen the political ties, strengthen the political interaction between nato and ukraine. the council is different from the previous commission. first and foremost, this is a body which can't make decisions. we meet as equals. it is on 31 allies meeting a partner, it is a council that makes decisions and we meet as equals. we meet at the level heads of government, at the level heads of government, at the ministerial level. we can meet at the military level as well, with our chief of defence, and expert groups can be established. this is a much stronger, more important political entity. down to just have
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a partnership, this is something we do together. again, this is one of the steps we are taking to move towards a membership. we meet as equals today. we meet as allies. this is an important step, an important contribution to that process. important contribution to that rocess. , ., ., ~ process. sky, first row here. thank ou, s process. sky, first row here. thank you. sky news- — process. sky, first row here. thank you, sky news. president - process. sky, first row here. thank| you, sky news. president zelensky, you, sky news. president zelensky, you came _ you, sky news. president zelensky, you came here — you, sky news. president zelensky, you came here wanting _ you, sky news. president zelensky, you came here wanting a _ you, sky news. president zelensky, you came here wanting a timeframe for membership _ you came here wanting a timeframe for membership. you _ you came here wanting a timeframe for membership. you will— you came here wanting a timeframe for membership. you will be - you came here wanting a timeframej for membership. you will be leaving with warm _ for membership. you will be leaving with warm words _ for membership. you will be leaving with warm words and _ for membership. you will be leaving with warm words and more - for membership. you will be leavingj with warm words and more weapons for membership. you will be leaving - with warm words and more weapons and new security _ with warm words and more weapons and new security guarantees. _ with warm words and more weapons and new security guarantees. have _ with warm words and more weapons and new security guarantees. have the - new security guarantees. have the allies— new security guarantees. have the allies done — new security guarantees. have the allies done enough— new security guarantees. have the allies done enough to _ new security guarantees. have the allies done enough to show - new security guarantees. have the allies done enough to show their. allies done enough to show their support, — allies done enough to show their support, or— allies done enough to show their support. or do— allies done enough to show their support. or do you— allies done enough to show their support, or do you still- allies done enough to show their support, or do you still think - allies done enough to show their. support, or do you still think their position— support, or do you still think their position on— support, or do you still think their position on ukraine _ support, or do you still think their position on ukraine joining - support, or do you still think their position on ukraine joining natol support, or do you still think their| position on ukraine joining nato is absurd? _ position on ukraine joining nato is absurd? might— position on ukraine joining nato is absurd? might this _ position on ukraine joining nato is absurd? might this lack— position on ukraine joining nato is absurd? might this lack of- position on ukraine joining nato is absurd? might this lack of an - absurd? might this lack of an invitation— absurd? might this lack of an invitation undermine - absurd? might this lack of an invitation undermine the - absurd? might this lack of an i invitation undermine the morale absurd? might this lack of an - invitation undermine the morale of your forces. — invitation undermine the morale of your forces, fighting _ invitation undermine the morale of your forces, fighting right- invitation undermine the morale of
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your forces, fighting right now- invitation undermine the morale of your forces, fighting right now on i your forces, fighting right now on the front— your forces, fighting right now on the front line? _ your forces, fighting right now on the front line? and _ your forces, fighting right now on the front line? and mr— the front line? and mr secretary—general, - the front line? and mr| secretary—general, the the front line? and mr- secretary—general, the kremlin the front line? and mr— secretary—general, the kremlin has said it _ secretary—general, the kremlin has said it is _ secretary—general, the kremlin has said it is a — secretary—general, the kremlin has said it is a dangerous— secretary—general, the kremlin has said it is a dangerous mistake - secretary—general, the kremlin has said it is a dangerous mistake for. said it is a dangerous mistake for the west— said it is a dangerous mistake for the west to — said it is a dangerous mistake for the west to give _ said it is a dangerous mistake for the west to give security- said it is a dangerous mistake for. the west to give security guarantees to ukraine. — the west to give security guarantees to ukraine. are— the west to give security guarantees to ukraine. are you _ the west to give security guarantees to ukraine. are you worried - the west to give security guarantees to ukraine. are you worried the - to ukraine. are you worried the allies— to ukraine. are you worried the allies are — to ukraine. are you worried the allies are taking _ to ukraine. are you worried the allies are taking a _ to ukraine. are you worried the allies are taking a step - to ukraine. are you worried the allies are taking a step closer. allies are taking a step closer towards — allies are taking a step closer towards direct— allies are taking a step closer towards direct war— allies are taking a step closer towards direct war with - allies are taking a step closer. towards direct war with russia? translation: _ towards direct war with russia? translation:— towards direct war with russia? translation: thank you for the . uestion. translation: thank you for the question. as _ translation: thank you for the question. as for _ translation: thank you for the question. as for the _ translation: thank you for the question. as for the invitation, . translation: thank you for the question. as for the invitation, i | question. as for the invitation, i truly. — question. as for the invitation, i trul ~ question. as for the invitation, i trul _ question. as for the invitation, i trul...~ _ ., question. as for the invitation, i trul _ ., ., truly... we will say goodbye to our viewers watching _ truly... we will say goodbye to our viewers watching the _ truly... we will say goodbye to our viewers watching the news - truly... we will say goodbye to our. viewers watching the news conference on bbc two. ii viewers watching the news conference on bbc two. ., ., viewers watching the news conference on bbc two-— on bbc two. if we are not dealing with bureaucracy, _ on bbc two. if we are not dealing with bureaucracy, but _ the g7 will agree to the first on bbc two. if we are not dealing with bureaucracy, but look- on bbc two. if we are not dealing with bureaucracy, but look at - on bbc two. if we are not dealing with bureaucracy, but look at it i on bbc two. if we are not dealing | with bureaucracy, but look at it as decl bureaucracy, 7’ a serious — with bureaucracy, but look at it as a serious factor for the motivation the g7 will agree to the first d serious aucracy, 7’ the g7 will agree to the first d serious factor /, 7’ of ukrainian society, for me, that the g7 will agree to the first d serious factor forjég the g7 will agree to the first d serious factor for the motivation a serious factor for the motivation of ukrainian society, for me, that was an— of ukrainian society, for me, that was an important moment. i compared was an— of ukrainian society, for me, that was an important moment. i compared this fact _ fact was an important moment. i compared was an important moment. i compared this fact with _ - fact with—
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was an important moment. i compared this fact with the candidacy of the was an important moment. i compared - fact with the — was an important moment. i compared fact with the candidacy of the membership of the european union, this fact with the candidacy of the membership of the european union, with the _ with the _ membership of the european union, with the dialogue with other membership of the european union, with the dialogue with other countries. idea of the example, i countries. idea of the example, i told you — told candidacy was the signal. countries. idea of the example, i told you candidacy was the signal. it told you candidacy was the signal. it means— told you candidacy was the signal. told you candidacy was the signal. it told you candidacy was the signal. it means— told you candidacy was the signal. it means no membership, but it it means no it brings— it means no membership, but it brings a — it means no membership, but it brings a significant mobilisation of it means no membership, but it brings— it means no membership, but it brings a — it means no membership, but it brings a significant mobilisation of ukraine _ brings a significant mobilisation of ukraine and a powerful signal for ukraine _ brings a significant mobilisation of ukraine and a powerful signal for russia _ ukraine and a powerful signal for russia that ukraine is not a member russia _ ukraine and a powerful signal for russia that not a member russia that ukraine is not a member of any— russia that ukraine is not a member of any type _ russia that ukraine is not a member of any— russia that ukraine is not a member of any type _ russia that ukraine is not a member of any type of alliance, but is of any type of alliance, but is willing — willing — of any type of alliance, but is willing to _ of any type of alliance, but is of any type of alliance, but is willing to _ of any type of alliance, but is willing to become a member of the eu willing to become a member of the eu and will— willing to become a member of the eu and will be _ willing to become a member of the eu and will be an independent state. as and will— willing to become a member of the eu and will be _ willing to become a member of the eu and will be an independent state. as for the _ and will be an independent state. as for the invitation to nato, this is 'ust for the invitation to nato, this is just the — -=——: for the invitation to nato, this is just the same as it is a signal, but the same as it is a 2 the same as it is a signal, 5 2 the same as it is a signal, buti today— just the same as it is a signal, but today i_ just the same as it is a signal, but today i can — just the same as it is a signal, but today i can see another important signal— today i can see another important signal that— today i can see another important signal that i've already mentioned, and we _ signal that i've already mentioned, and we can— signal that i've already mentioned, and we can have some specifics about this. the _ and we can have some specifics about this. the specifics now, if today the g7 — this. the specifics now, if today the 67 will— this. the specifics now, if today
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