the south korean president, yoon suk yeol, is in kyiv to meet with ukrainian president, volodymyr zelensky. the surprise trip comes after yoon attended the vilnius nato summit and visited poland earlier this week, where he expressed solidarity with ukraine and expressed support in its fight against russia. now on bbc news, the media show. hello. today, we are going to be taking a look at the unrest in france earlier this month and the issues forjournalists covering the story. president macron blamed video games and social media for inciting the violence and has even floated the idea of cutting off the likes of tiktok and snapchat in future times of crisis. meanwhile, fake news,

false claims about what is going on, have been in abundance. journalists have been attacked and injured, so lots to discuss around the media's role. katya adler, the bbc�*s europe editor is with us. we have also gotjournalists who have been out reporting for french outlets. and we have got one of the bosses of agents france press, the big news agency. but before we get into that, i want to cross to new york and start with emma tucker, the editor in chief of the wall streetjournal. one of emma's reporters, evan gershkovich, has now been imprisoned in russia for more than 100 days. the authorities accuse evan of being a spy. charges that he, the us and the wall streetjournal all deny. he is the first western journalist to be detained in russia since the cold war. emma, welcome to the show. i will ask you for the latest on the situation any moment but can you just take us back and remind people the circumstances of his arrest back in march? evan is an accredited journalist in russia.

he had full accreditation from the russian foreign ministry and he was doing what he always does, he was out reporting from the ground. he was covering a story over in the east of russia and while he was out on this assignment, he failed to check with us. we have a system forjournalists operating in difficult territories, which i am sure the other journalists were recognised, whereby we asked people to check in twice a day. he missed his morning check in and then he missed again his afternoon check in and overnight, it was confirmed he had been picked up and arrested and taken back to moscow to be held there. and after the first... i am sure people will be interested in the check in system. were you very worried after the first non—check in? is it rare for people not to check in? it is unusual. and i did not like it, but i did not panic because,

you know, people lose internet access, they lose their phones, they get tied up doing something, so i did not like it, but i did then panic... i did not panic, i did then start to really worry when in the afternoon i was told the second check in had been missed and at that point, we all started to worry. i went home, i went to bed, i left my phone on and i said, call me if it is bad and my phone went off at four o'clock in the morning. i get emotional thinking about it. it is so awful. he had been arrested. for espionage. absolutely. and you have been quite categorically charges he was arrested on are completely baseless. totally bogus. completely. everybody denies it. we denied, the us government denies it, his family is complete... complete rubbish. and he is a russian heritage journalist, whose family left russia before he was born, is that right? evan is american born and bred. his parents fled the soviet union. his parents are sovietjews who left

the soviet union in the 19705 to start a new life in america. they took advantage of an opening that allowed waves ofjews to leave the soviet union. evan and his older sister danielle were both born in the us and were educated here. the thing about is is bilingual and he was very interested in his heritage. they spoke russian at home with his parents and he was fascinated. his parents had taken him back there on holiday. he loved the country. and he really understood the country as well. and this is what makes him such a great reporter. and what do you know now about the conditions that he is being held in and what did you know early on? he was taken to this prison in moscow, which is notorious, it is a prison that has been around since the cold war, since long before that.

it is where they tend to take political prisoners. 0ne it is where they tend to take political prisoners. one thing that we can report is he was finally granted consular access, the last time he got that was april 17. we have very limited information but he is in good health. and he is bearing up is in good health. and he is bearing up 0k. is in good health. and he is bearing up ok. i think he is there, he is reading, he can receive letters from people and he can send letters out, all heavily censored, i think, everybody goes through the centre, but he is doing... years looking after himself as best he can. does he have access _ after himself as best he can. does he have access to _ after himself as best he can. does he have access to a _ after himself as best he can. does he have access to a lawyer? - after himself as best he can. does he have access to a lawyer? yes, | after himself as best he can. does l he have access to a lawyer? yes, he has some wonderful _ he have access to a lawyer? yes, he has some wonderful russian - he have access to a lawyer? yes, he l has some wonderful russian lawyers. that is where we get most of our information. we cannot speak to him directly but we can contact him via the lawyers and he has a very good relationship with them and he is in regular contact with them. find

relationship with them and he is in regular contact with them. and the 100 day anniversary _ regular contact with them. and the 100 day anniversary of _ regular contact with them. and the 100 day anniversary of his - regular contact with them. and the 100 day anniversary of his arrest, l 100 day anniversary of his arrest, this friday, the 7th ofjuly, what more, if anything, this friday, the 7th ofjuly, what more, ifanything, can this friday, the 7th ofjuly, what more, if anything, can you tell us about this report about a possible prisoner swap? a kremlin spokesperson was quoted as saying there have been certain contacts on there have been certain contacts on the subject but they must be carried out and continue complete silence. yes, we don't know what he was referring to. we can only speculate. we have no idea. we don't know anything. i mean, whati we have no idea. we don't know anything. i mean, what i can say is that... i suppose the anticipation is that the normal course of events in cases like this is that once there has been a trial and evan has been found... convicted, then some sort of prisoner swap might take place but again, i stress, we have heard nothing official, just picked up heard nothing official, just picked up on this quote from the kremlin

spokesman, which again we don't know what he was referring to but he did say that. i what he was referring to but he did sa that. . ., , say that. i wanted to bring infill. presumably _ say that. i wanted to bring infill. presumably when _ say that. i wanted to bring infill. presumably when it _ say that. i wanted to bring infill. presumably when it comes - say that. i wanted to bring infill. presumably when it comes to i presumably when it comes to reporting in russia, this has a chilling effect. evan worked for asd before joining the wall street journal. how are you managing your moscow bureau in light of what has happened to him? it moscow bureau in light of what has happened to him?— happened to him? it has been a really tough _ happened to him? it has been a really tough period _ happened to him? it has been a really tough period for - happened to him? it has been a really tough period for our - happened to him? it has been a j really tough period for our team happened to him? it has been a i really tough period for our team in moscow. 0bviously, really tough period for our team in moscow. obviously, an event like what has happened to evan passe cloud over everybody trying to do theirjob. in very difficult conditions will top i will reiterate what emma has said he is a terrific journalist, loved by the whole team. nothing but great things i can say about him as a journalist. and so obviously, it second guesses everybody who is there. some decide to leave, others cannot leave because they may be russian. and they try to do theirjob as best

they try to do theirjob as best they can, not really knowing where they can, not really knowing where the line is. that is what is so hard. �* . ., the line is. that is what is so hard. �* . . . . hard. and emma, what level... what kind of staffing _ hard. and emma, what level... what kind of staffing do _ hard. and emma, what level... what kind of staffing do you _ hard. and emma, what level... what kind of staffing do you currently - kind of staffing do you currently have in russia for the wall street journal? we have in russia for the wall street journal? ~ ., ., ., have in russia for the wall street journal? ., ., ., ., journal? we no longer have anyone in russia. it journal? we no longer have anyone in russia- it is — journal? we no longer have anyone in russia. it is too _ journal? we no longer have anyone in russia. it is too dangerous. _ journal? we no longer have anyone in russia. it is too dangerous. we - journal? we no longer have anyone in russia. it is too dangerous. we havel russia. it is too dangerous. we have talented reporters who are doing... covering this story from outside, they have contacts inside russia but it is a very dangerous place to keep a journalistic presence, as we have discovered we have a journalist in russia, hejust happens discovered we have a journalist in russia, he just happens to be discovered we have a journalist in russia, hejust happens to be behind bars. we russia, he 'ust happens to be behind bars. ~ ., ., ~ russia, he 'ust happens to be behind bars. . . ., ~ ., russia, he 'ust happens to be behind bars. . . . ~' . , russia, he 'ust happens to be behind bars. . . ., ~ ., , ., bars. we are talking in a bit about the unrest — bars. we are talking in a bit about the unrest in _ bars. we are talking in a bit about the unrest in france, _ bars. we are talking in a bit about the unrest in france, one - bars. we are talking in a bit about the unrest in france, one of- bars. we are talking in a bit about the unrest in france, one of the l the unrest in france, one of the issues we will get to it is the level of mistrust people in france have ofjournalists, which is not dissimilar to hear have ofjournalists, which is not dissimilarto hear in have ofjournalists, which is not dissimilar to hear in the uk. you were talking about the kind of issues facing journalists but do you think the public actually appreciates the genuine risk some journalists, reporters like evan, face in bringing then the news? i

think yes and no. 0ne face in bringing then the news? i think yes and no. one thing that has been amazing is the level of support we have had from notjust other journalists right from the wider public. 0ur journalists right from the wider public. our own readers are really very supportive and outraged on our behalf and that has been very encouraging. but i think perhaps it is underappreciated, the risks that journalists take and the importance of what they do. in america where i am now, they do take independent journalism very seriously. i think thatis journalism very seriously. i think that is party explaining the credible response we have had here. i don't know. i think we need to tell the world more often how dangerous and complicated it is, to maintain a network of foreign correspondent the amount of back work that goes into it, the visas, the security, the assessments you have to make on the ground, families, it is a complex and difficult business, keeping a foreign correspondent network going. emma tucker, editor in chief at the

wall streetjournal, thank you so much for coming on the programme. we now turn to france where earlier this month the country was gripped ljy this month the country was gripped by riots. the starting point was the fatal shooting of 17—year—old nahel m by a policeman in a suburb of paris. in the violence that followed, thousands were arrested and shops were looted and vehicle satellite. taste and shops were looted and vehicle satellite. ~ . ., and shops were looted and vehicle satellite. ~ ., ., ., , satellite. we are in a tourist hotsot satellite. we are in a tourist hotspot and _ satellite. we are in a tourist hotspot and as _ satellite. we are in a tourist hotspot and as you - satellite. we are in a tourist hotspot and as you can - satellite. we are in a tourist hotspot and as you can see, j satellite. we are in a tourist - hotspot and as you can see, right police are everywhere around. this is not the face of france that emmanuel macron wants you to see. the n60 reporters without borders says at least 18 journalists were attacked during the protest and rioting. a freelance covering protests in the city needed stitches after being hit with a crowbar. and

hundreds of police had been injured. let's find out what it has been like forjournalists. emma pearson is the editor. welcome to all of you would let me start with you, tell us what you are experiencing. your channel has been reporting nonstop on this story. yes, i covered the first full night of violence — yes, i covered the first full night of violence in _ yes, i covered the first full night of violence in paris, _ yes, i covered the first full night of violence in paris, the - yes, i covered the first full night of violence in paris, the most. of violence in paris, the most violence _ of violence in paris, the most violence. more _ of violence in paris, the most violence. more than - of violence in paris, the most violence. more than 3000 . of violence in paris, the most - violence. more than 3000 people are iniail_ violence. more than 3000 people are iniail after_ violence. more than 3000 people are injail after these _ violence. more than 3000 people are injail after these riots. _

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listen to a clip of you _ to cover these riots. let's have a listen to a clip of you reporting l to cover these riots. let's have a| listen to a clip of you reporting on tuesday the evening, the day that nahel m was killed. you are standing in front of a police van and talking about the violence that has started. just tell me a bit about what happened when you first tried to report from that seen because i understand... i understand people were telling you that you should leave. ., , ., , ., leave. young people from the neighbourhood _ leave. young people from the neighbourhood tell _ leave. young people from the neighbourhood tell us - leave. young people from the neighbourhood tell us that . leave. young people from the | neighbourhood tell us that the leave. young people from the - neighbourhood tell us that the only way to— neighbourhood tell us that the only way to appear _ neighbourhood tell us that the only way to appear in _ neighbourhood tell us that the only way to appear in the _ neighbourhood tell us that the only way to appear in the media - neighbourhood tell us that the only way to appear in the media is - neighbourhood tell us that the only way to appear in the media is to i way to appear in the media is to burn— way to appear in the media is to burn everything. _ way to appear in the media is to burn everything. burning - way to appear in the media is to burn everything. burning policel burn everything. burning police stations — burn everything. burning police stations, cars, _ burn everything. burning police stations, cars, some— burn everything. burning police stations, cars, some people, . burn everything. burning police l stations, cars, some people, and burn everything. burning police - stations, cars, some people, and the police _ stations, cars, some people, and the police nray— stations, cars, some people, and the police may recognise _

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equipment. much smaller equipment, so you are much _ equipment. much smaller equipment, so you are much less _ equipment. much smaller equipment, so you are much less obvious. - equipment. much smaller equipment, so you are much less obvious. yes, i so you are much less obvious. yes, we cannot — so you are much less obvious. yes, we cannot use _ so you are much less obvious. yes, we cannot use normal _ so you are much less obvious. yes, we cannot use normal cameras. - we cannot use normal cameras. because — we cannot use normal cameras. because it — we cannot use normal cameras. because it is _ we cannot use normal cameras. because it is too _ we cannot use normal cameras. because it is too dangerous - we cannot use normal cameras. because it is too dangerous forl we cannot use normal cameras. i because it is too dangerous for the journalist _ because it is too dangerous for the journalist to — because it is too dangerous for the journalist to work— because it is too dangerous for the journalist to work in _ because it is too dangerous for the journalist to work in this _ journalist to work in this situation _ journalist to work in this situation. and _ journalist to work in this situation. and safety- journalist to work in this situation. and safety is| journalist to work in this - situation. and safety is important for us _ situation. and safety is important for us is — situation. and safety is important for us. , ., ., situation. and safety is important forus. ., , , situation. and safety is important forus. ., , for us. is it about a mistrust of the media. _ for us. is it about a mistrust of the media, hatred _ for us. is it about a mistrust of the media, hatred of _ for us. is it about a mistrust of l the media, hatred ofjournalists, for us. is it about a mistrust of - the media, hatred ofjournalists, or is it because the kid is expensive and people might think it is worth robbing? i and people might think it is worth robbin: ? ., �* and people might think it is worth robbinu? ., �* ~ ., and people might think it is worth robbinu? ~ ., ., ~ robbing? i don't know that. i think the problem _ robbing? i don't know that. i think the problem is _ robbing? i don't know that. i think the problem is mistrust _ robbing? i don't know that. i think the problem is mistrust of - robbing? i don't know that. i think the problem is mistrust of the - robbing? i don't know that. i think i the problem is mistrust of the press in france _ the problem is mistrust of the press in france to— the problem is mistrust of the press in france to date. _ the problem is mistrust of the press in france to date. yes. _ the problem is mistrust of the press in france to date. yes. lots - the problem is mistrust of the press in france to date. yes. lots of- in france to date. yes. lots of people — in france to date. yes. lots of people don't— in france to date. yes. lots of people don't believe... - in france to date. yes. lots of| people don't believe... people in france to date. yes. lots of- people don't believe... people think that the _ people don't believe... people think that the prices— people don't believe... people think that the prices near— people don't believe... people think that the prices near to _ people don't believe... people think that the prices near to emmanuel. that the prices near to emmanuel macron— that the prices near to emmanuel macron and — that the prices near to emmanuel macron and is— that the prices near to emmanuel macron and is not _ that the prices near to emmanuel macron and is not independent. l that the prices near to emmanuelj macron and is not independent. it that the prices near to emmanuel. macron and is not independent. it is since _ macron and is not independent. it is since yellow— macron and is not independent. it is since yellowjackets, _ macron and is not independent. it is since yellowjackets, since - macron and is not independent. it is since yellowjackets, since four - since yellowjackets, since four years _

since yellowjackets, since four years ago _ since yellow 'ackets, since four years ago._ since yellow 'ackets, since four earsauo. . , ., years ago. what precautions have you had to take and _ years ago. what precautions have you had to take and what _ years ago. what precautions have you had to take and what reaction - years ago. what precautions have you had to take and what reaction have i had to take and what reaction have you had from people on the ground? the bbc... when you are known to go out into those kind of situations, with the bbc, you get riot training and also i worked in the middle east for many years and you get hostile environment training which is renewed every three years. and though sort of things are for insurance of course, from a bbc point of view but it is also to equip us with realising key things. for example nanterre, daytime, the housing estate where nahel lived, it can look quite calm during the day but in seconds it could change. you have one look, a whole people appear and you are threatened. that it

happened to us on the thursday that we were there. things happen very fast. ~ . we were there. things happen very fast. . ., ., ,, we were there. things happen very fast. . ., ., , , fast. what happened when you did get threatened? several— fast. what happened when you did get threatened? several times _ fast. what happened when you did get threatened? several times we - fast. what happened when you did get threatened? several times we were i threatened? several times we were threatened. — threatened? several times we were threatened, we _ threatened? several times we were threatened, we were... _ threatened? several times we were threatened, we were... just - threatened? several times we were threatened, we were... just by - threatened, we were... just by raising a mobile phone and filming. people were shouting at us, where were you before nahel? the press and authorities only look when something happens, that is a big question. many people we spoke to in those suburbs and from nahel�*s family, the cases getting so much attention from the press and the authorities responding is because it was filmed on mobile phones from several different angles, which means that the policeman who shot nahel initially he said he thought his life in the life of another police colleague was in danger. that was shown from phone footage to be absolutely not the case. but then in the suburbs, they will say to you,

there are many nahels but their deaths, they discover nation, the racial profiling they say they face every single day is not recorded and read the press are not there and that leads to a lot of resentment. also from what we look like, we lead very different lives to the ones they experience in the suburbs and they experience in the suburbs and they object to being portrayed as... two big police unions in france put out a press free scoring them savage hordes, pests. and so what they fear is the press is there to portray them as such. so there is a deep, deep, deep distrust but also i have to say we face when we are going out with demonstrations of the far right in france as well, there you also have a deep distrust of... as you know, it is called mainstream media and we are not welcome that can also lead to us being pushed around and cameras being taken or damaged. band

cameras being taken or damaged. and in terms of your approach to this story, if you are faced with unrest across an entire country, it started on the outskirts of paris, how do you decide... i don't mean what angle in a dodgy way in any sense, but how do you decide how you are going to cover it? the but how do you decide how you are going to cover it?— going to cover it? the bbc is very luc in going to cover it? the bbc is very lucky in that _ going to cover it? the bbc is very lucky in that we — going to cover it? the bbc is very lucky in that we have _ going to cover it? the bbc is very lucky in that we have lots - going to cover it? the bbc is very lucky in that we have lots of - lucky in that we have lots of talented reporters across europe and so with a story like that, so bay, you have such huge riots, across the country, shocking the country and france's allies across the world, it is important to show it is notjust paris and so we are able to do that. it is important to get different voices on, clearly. whereas of course the people who live in those suburbs are the ones attracting attention, we made an effort to go and talk to a police union as well to get their perspective. i went to france's ministry of foreign events

were macro affairs. i think for once, credibility, you really need always to have the different perspectives are the different voices and the young rioters, their mothers and fathers. it was so striking, i thought, that president macron had to leave the biggest emergency that europe is looking at right now, the invasion of ukraine, he was at aeeu summit and he had to leave at the press conference he then gave was appealing to the parents, the mothers and fathers, of the young rioters, saying keep them at home, keep them off social media where there are messages circulating, asking them to gather on the streets and protest but it is also an indication of the fact that he has to ask then that he is aware that french authorities just do not have a foothold or any trust in the communities that they could reach believably and appeal for calm. that is a real indictment. we were

talking earlier about the precautions journalist had to take and presumably when access to the scene of a story becomes an issue when journalists are being attacked potentially, i am assuming a newsagency like yours becomes even more useful to newspapers and tv channels because you can go out and try and provide the material that they may be less able to get, i don't. �* , ,., , they may be less able to get, i don't. �* , , . ., ., they may be less able to get, i don't. n, , . ., ., don't. absolutely. what i would say for example — don't. absolutely. what i would say for example is _ don't. absolutely. what i would say for example is we _ don't. absolutely. what i would say for example is we have _ don't. absolutely. what i would say for example is we have a _ don't. absolutely. what i would say for example is we have a full-timel for example is we have a full—time correspondent in nanterre. we have someone _ correspondent in nanterre. we have someone who works there everyday when _ someone who works there everyday when there — someone who works there everyday when there is not a riot or a crisis and so _ when there is not a riot or a crisis and so on. — when there is not a riot or a crisis and so on. so _ when there is not a riot or a crisis and so on, so therefore, knows people — and so on, so therefore, knows people that you can then call on when _ people that you can then call on when you — people that you can then call on when you need to go in there in difficult — when you need to go in there in difficult times, so you can build trust _ difficult times, so you can build trust and — difficult times, so you can build trust and also we have a network of bureaus _ trust and also we have a network of bureaus across france, of course, which _ bureaus across france, of course, which means— bureaus across france, of course, which means we can mobilise as and when _ which means we can mobilise as and when different areas of unrest break—out. to react as things evolve — break—out. to react as things evolve for— break—out. to react as things evolve. for clients such as the bbc, clients _ evolve. for clients such as the bbc, clients all— evolve. for clients such as the bbc, clients all over the world. and

evolve. for clients such as the bbc, clients all over the world.— clients all over the world. and the levels of precaution _ clients all over the world. and the levels of precaution that - clients all over the world. and the levels of precaution that we - clients all over the world. and the levels of precaution that we were | levels of precaution that we were talking about, filming on iphones, security guards, is that also the kind of thing you would implement? absolutely. we would certainly fill with iphones. since the yellow vests — with iphones. since the yellow vests, which boris mentioned, we have _ vests, which boris mentioned, we have seen— vests, which boris mentioned, we have seen that real anger towards the media — have seen that real anger towards the media on the streets, integrate television — the media on the streets, integrate television i— the media on the streets, integrate television. i would say our tax journalists _ television. i would say our tax journalists and photographers have been able to work relatively easily on demonstrations —— text. there is a huge _ on demonstrations —— text. there is a huge sensitivity about tv and a huge _ a huge sensitivity about tv and a huge sensitivity about live tv. that is really _ huge sensitivity about live tv. that is really raising the stakes. what i would _ is really raising the stakes. what i would say— is really raising the stakes. what i would say over the last sort of week is it has— would say over the last sort of week is it has really gone up a notch. it was that— is it has really gone up a notch. it was that much higher. we had journalists injured. maybe it was the younger demographic. i think it was also _ the younger demographic. i think it was also linked to the fact there was also linked to the fact there was a _ was also linked to the fact there was a lot— was also linked to the fact there was a lot of criminality going on. there _ was a lot of criminality going on.

there was— was a lot of criminality going on. there was a _ was a lot of criminality going on. there was a fear that the images would _ there was a fear that the images would be — there was a fear that the images would be used by police or someone later as _ would be used by police or someone later as evidence to bring criminal cases _ later as evidence to bring criminal cases text— later as evidence to bring criminal cases. textjournalists later as evidence to bring criminal cases. text journalists could actually _ cases. text journalists could actually work, they were let through sometimes, whereas the image people were in— sometimes, whereas the image people were in trouble. and sometimes, whereas the image people were in trouble.— were in trouble. and also saying about mistrust, _ were in trouble. and also saying about mistrust, emma - were in trouble. and also saying about mistrust, emma pearson, were in trouble. and also saying - about mistrust, emma pearson, has mistrust ever being this bad in the media in france? the latest report says france is one of the lowest scoring european countries for public trust in the news. just 30% trust it most the time.— public trust in the news. just 3096 trust it most the time. yes, i think as the other _ trust it most the time. yes, i think as the other said, _ trust it most the time. yes, i think as the other said, we _ trust it most the time. yes, i think as the other said, we certainly - trust it most the time. yes, i think as the other said, we certainly saw this a _ as the other said, we certainly saw this a lot _ as the other said, we certainly saw this a lot since _ as the other said, we certainly saw this a lot since the _ as the other said, we certainly saw this a lot since the yellow - as the other said, we certainly saw this a lot since the yellow vests . this a lot since the yellow vests and city— this a lot since the yellow vests and city pandemic, _ this a lot since the yellow vests and city pandemic, like - this a lot since the yellow vests and city pandemic, like all- and city pandemic, like all countries _ and city pandemic, like all countries, there _ and city pandemic, like all countries, there has- and city pandemic, like all countries, there has been| and city pandemic, like all. countries, there has been a and city pandemic, like all- countries, there has been a real increase — countries, there has been a real increase in— countries, there has been a real increase in sort _ countries, there has been a real increase in sort of— countries, there has been a real increase in sort of distressing i increase in sort of distressing media — increase in sort of distressing media but— increase in sort of distressing media but one _ increase in sort of distressing media but one thing - increase in sort of distressing media but one thing i- increase in sort of distressing media but one thing i did i increase in sort of distressing i media but one thing i did notice this time — media but one thing i did notice this time was _ media but one thing i did notice this time was this _ media but one thing i did notice this time was this absolute i this time was this absolute avalanche _ this time was this absolute avalanche of— this time was this absolute avalanche of this _ this time was this absolute i avalanche of this information on social— avalanche of this information on social media _ avalanche of this information on social media about _ avalanche of this information on social media about the - avalanche of this information on social media about the riots i avalanche of this information on social media about the riots in l social media about the riots in france — social media about the riots in france and _ social media about the riots in france and they— social media about the riots in france and they were - social media about the riots in france and they were crazy- social media about the riots in i france and they were crazy stories going _ france and they were crazy stories

going round — france and they were crazy stories going round they— france and they were crazy stories going round. they seemed - france and they were crazy stories going round. they seemed to- france and they were crazy stories going round. they seemed to mel france and they were crazy stories. going round. they seemed to me to france and they were crazy stories i going round. they seemed to me to be amplified _ going round. they seemed to me to be amplified by— going round. they seemed to me to be amplified by english—language - going round. they seemed to me to be amplified by english—language media l amplified by english—language media accounts _ amplified by english—language media accounts the — amplified by english—language media accounts, the far— amplified by english—language media accounts, the far right _ amplified by english—language media accounts, the far right in _ amplified by english—language media accounts, the far right in the - amplified by english—language media accounts, the far right in the uk i accounts, the far right in the uk and the — accounts, the far right in the uk and the us, _ accounts, the far right in the uk and the us, they— accounts, the far right in the uk and the us, they were - accounts, the far right in the uk and the us, they were really- and the us, they were really amplifying _ and the us, they were really amplifying it, _ and the us, they were really amplifying it, stories- and the us, they were really amplifying it, stories and i and the us, they were really- amplifying it, stories and sharing video— amplifying it, stories and sharing video clips — amplifying it, stories and sharing video clips that _ amplifying it, stories and sharing video clips that were _ amplifying it, stories and sharing video clips that were not - amplifying it, stories and sharing video clips that were not from i video clips that were not from france — video clips that were not from france from _ video clips that were not from france, from years _ video clips that were not from france, from years ago, - video clips that were not from france, from years ago, stills| video clips that were not from i france, from years ago, stills from movies _ france, from years ago, stills from movies the — france, from years ago, stills from movies, the leader— france, from years ago, stills from movies, the leader of— france, from years ago, stills from movies, the leader of the - france, from years ago, stills from movies, the leader of the british. movies, the leader of the british far-right— movies, the leader of the british far-right party— movies, the leader of the british far—right party sharing _ movies, the leader of the british far—right party sharing a - movies, the leader of the british far—right party sharing a clip i movies, the leader of the britishl far—right party sharing a clip from one of— far—right party sharing a clip from one of the — far—right party sharing a clip from one of the fast _ far—right party sharing a clip from one of the fast and _ far—right party sharing a clip from one of the fast and furious - far—right party sharing a clip from i one of the fast and furious movies, claiming _ one of the fast and furious movies, claiming that— one of the fast and furious movies, claiming that people _ one of the fast and furious movies, claiming that people were - one of the fast and furious movies, claiming that people were pushing i claiming that people were pushing cards _ claiming that people were pushing cards of— claiming that people were pushing cards of multistorey _ claiming that people were pushing cards of multistorey car _ claiming that people were pushing cards of multistorey car parks, i claiming that people were pushing i cards of multistorey car parks, that it not— cards of multistorey car parks, that it not happen _ cards of multistorey car parks, that it not happen. it— cards of multistorey car parks, that it not happen. it seems— cards of multistorey car parks, that it not happen. it seems to - cards of multistorey car parks, that it not happen. it seems to me i cards of multistorey car parks, that it not happen. it seems to me that| it not happen. it seems to me that the disinformation _ it not happen. it seems to me that the disinformation has _ it not happen. it seems to me that the disinformation has kicked i it not happen. it seems to me that the disinformation has kicked up. it not happen. it seems to me that the disinformation has kicked up a| the disinformation has kicked up a notch— the disinformation has kicked up a notch this — the disinformation has kicked up a notch this time. _ the disinformation has kicked up a notch this time.— notch this time. president macron has been blaming _ notch this time. president macron has been blaming social— notch this time. president macron has been blaming social media i notch this time. president macron | has been blaming social media and video games p seems to be saying in future they will cut off social media. how do you think that will go down? i media. how do you think that will go down? ~ ._ , media. how do you think that will go down? ~ . , , , media. how do you think that will go down? ~ , , . down? i think maybe his comic might have been slightly _ down? i think maybe his comic might have been slightly exaggerated. i down? i think maybe his comic might have been slightly exaggerated. he l have been slightly exaggerated. he said he _ have been slightly exaggerated. he said he had — have been slightly exaggerated. he said he had a — have been slightly exaggerated. he said he had a meeting _ have been slightly exaggerated. he said he had a meeting with- have been slightly exaggerated. he said he had a meeting with a - have been slightly exaggerated. he said he had a meeting with a lot - have been slightly exaggerated. he said he had a meeting with a lot ofl said he had a meeting with a lot of mayors— said he had a meeting with a lot of mayors and — said he had a meeting with a lot of mayors and this _ said he had a meeting with a lot of mayors and this is _ said he had a meeting with a lot of mayors and this is reporting - said he had a meeting with a lot of mayors and this is reporting what. mayors and this is reporting what was said — mayors and this is reporting what was said in— mayors and this is reporting what was said in the _ mayors and this is reporting what was said in the meeting. -

mayors and this is reporting what was said in the meeting. it- mayors and this is reporting what was said in the meeting. it is- mayors and this is reporting what i was said in the meeting. it is maybe not as— was said in the meeting. it is maybe not as quite — was said in the meeting. it is maybe not as quite as — was said in the meeting. it is maybe not as quite as extreme _ was said in the meeting. it is maybe not as quite as extreme as - was said in the meeting. it is maybe not as quite as extreme as it - was said in the meeting. it is maybe not as quite as extreme as it sounds ithink— not as quite as extreme as it sounds ithihk there — not as quite as extreme as it sounds i think there looking _ not as quite as extreme as it sounds i think there looking to _ not as quite as extreme as it sounds i think there looking to bring - not as quite as extreme as it sounds i think there looking to bring in - i think there looking to bring in some _ i think there looking to bring in some provisions _ i think there looking to bring in some provisions for— i think there looking to bring in some provisions for a - i think there looking to bring in some provisions for a social- i think there looking to bring in . some provisions for a social media bill that— some provisions for a social media bill that is— some provisions for a social media bill that is already _ some provisions for a social media bill that is already going _ some provisions for a social media bill that is already going through l bill that is already going through parliament _ bill that is already going through parliament [_ bill that is already going through parliament-— parliament. i 'ust as we come towards the — parliament. ijust as we come towards the end, _ parliament. ijust as we come towards the end, what - parliament. ijust as we come towards the end, what would | parliament. ijust as we come i towards the end, what would be parliament. ijust as we come - towards the end, what would be your suggestion... what are your thoughts on the strategy president macron has employed over the last few days? he: has tried to tread quite a tightrope in a very security obsessed country, where the far right is breathing down his neck in public opinion polls, to put a lot of extra security forces on the street but at the same time try to not inflame passions. he did not call for a state of emergency, which is what we saw the last time there were such huge riots in france, back into thousand five. the difference then is that it was just in the suburbs and did not spread into mainstream france and that has been put down to social media that is why he is

worried about it. i’m social media that is why he is worried about it.— social media that is why he is worried about it. i'm afraid that is all we have _ worried about it. i'm afraid that is all we have got _ worried about it. i'm afraid that is all we have got time _ worried about it. i'm afraid that is all we have got time for— worried about it. i'm afraid that is all we have got time for this - worried about it. i'm afraid that is| all we have got time for this week. thank you so much to all my guests. thank you so much to all my guests. thank you so much to all my guests. thank you all some much for watching. goodbye. hello, there. the weather story has left us questioning, where has the summer gone? particularly friday, it was quite cloudy and quite wet for many of us. unseasonably windy as well for this time of year. that is the trend as we head into the weekend, as low pressure is going to anchor itself into the north—west on saturday. always wettest out of the north and

west. but all of us will continue to see this unsettled spell of weather. low pressure with as this weekend. centred to the north—west at the moment. circulating around the low is a rash of frequent heavy showers. longer spells of rain and there is going to belittle change as we go into the afternoon. some of those showers heavy, possibly thundery as well. not all of us will see some showers. there will still be some sunny spells and perhaps through east anglia and south—east england by the end of the afternoon, a risk of those showers easing a little. it is very blustery. unseasonably windy for this time of the year. top temperatures peaking be —— between 16 and 22 degrees. a little bit i6 and 22 degrees. a little bit disappointing. as we go through the evening, we still run the risk of further showers and overnight tonight, we could still have the odd rumble of thunder mixed in there as well. overnight lows between 12 and

14 well. overnight lows between 12 and ia degrees. as we move into sunday, iii degrees. as we move into sunday, that low pressure finally pulls away over into scandinavia. the winds will gradually start to ease down, coming from a easterly direction. that will drive more rain into the west. the risk of showers for sunday but not as many as the last couple of days. hopefully a little more sunshine around. because of the direction of that wind source, those temperatures are little bit disappointing, around iii temperatures are little bit disappointing, around 1a to 21 temperatures are little bit disappointing, around 1a to 21 salted. and that unsettled theme is salted. and that unsettled theme is continuing for the foreseeable continuing for the foreseeable future. showers along pulls of future. showers along pulls of rentals of their will be some sunny rentals of their will be some sunny spells, temperatures around where spells, temperatures around where they should be for this time of they should be for this time of year. year.

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