of cutting off the likes of tiktok and snapchat in future times of crisis. meanwhile, fake news, false claims about what is going on, have been in abundance. journalists have been attacked and injured, so lots to discuss around the media's role. katya adler, the bbc�*s europe editor, is with us. we have also gotjournalists who have been out reporting for french outlets. and we have got one of the bosses of agents france press, the big news agency. but before we get into that, i want to cross to new york and start with emma tucker, the editor—in—chief of the wall streetjournal. one of emma's reporters, evan gershkovich, has now been imprisoned in russia for more than 100 days. the authorities accuse evan of being a spy. charges that he, the us and the wall streetjournal all deny. he is the first western journalist to be detained in russia since the cold war. emma, welcome to the show.

i will ask you for the latest on the situation in a moment but can you just take us back and remind people the circumstances of his arrest back in march? well, evan is an accredited journalist in russia. he had full accreditation from the russian foreign ministry and he was doing what he always does, he was out reporting from the ground. he was covering a story over in the east of russia and while he was out on this assignment, he failed to check with us. we have a system for journalists operating in difficult territories, which i am sure the other journalists will recognise, whereby we asked people to check in twice a day. he missed his morning check in and then he missed again his afternoon check in and overnight, it was confirmed he had been picked up and arrested and taken back to moscow to be held there. and after the first... i am sure people listening will be interested in the check

in system. were you very worried after the first non—check in? is it rare for people not to check in? it is unusual. and i did not like it, but i did not panic because, you know, people lose internet access, they lose their phones, they get tied up doing something, so i did not like it, but i did then panic... i did not panic, i did then start to really worry when in the afternoon i was told the second check in had been missed and at that point, we all started to worry. i went home, i went to bed, i left my phone on and i said, "call me if it is bad news," and my phone went off at four o'clock in the morning. i get emotional thinking about it. it is so awful. he had been arrested. for espionage. absolutely. and you have been quite categoric that the charges he was arrested on are completely baseless. totally bogus. completely. everybody denies it. we denied, the us government denies it, his family is complete... complete rubbish.

and he is a russian heritage journalist, whose family left russia before he was born, is that right? evan is american born and bred. his parents fled the soviet union. his parents are sovietjews who left the soviet union in the 1970s to start a new life in america. they took advantage of an opening that allowed waves ofjews to leave the soviet union. evan and his older sister danielle were both born in the us and were educated here. the thing about evan is he is bilingual and he was very interested in his heritage. they spoke russian at home with his parents and he was fascinated. his parents had taken him back there on holiday. he loved the country. and he really understood the country as well. and this is what makes him such a great reporter. and what do you know now about the conditions that he is being held in

and what did you know early on? he was taken to this prison in moscow, which is notorious, it is a prison that has been around since the cold war, since long before that. it is where they tend to take political prisoners. he is there. one thing that we can report is he was finally granted consular access, the last time he got that was april 17. the us ambassador went to visit him onjuly three. we have very limited information but he is in good health. and he is bearing up 0k. i think he is there, he is reading, he can receive letters from people and he can send letters out, all heavily censored, ithink, everybody goes through the centre, but he is doing... he is looking after himself as best he can. does he have access to a lawyer? yes, he has some wonderful russian lawyers. that is where we get most of our information.

we cannot speak to him directly but we can contact him via the lawyers and he has a very good relationship with them and he is in regular contact with them. and the ioo—day anniversary of his arrest, this friday, the 7th ofjuly, what more, if anything, can you tell us about this report about a possible prisoner swap? a kremlin spokesperson was quoted as saying there have been certain contacts on the subject but they must be carried out and continue complete silence. yes, we don't know what he was referring to. we can only speculate. we have no idea. we don't know anything. i mean, what i can say is that... i suppose the anticipation is that the normal course of events in cases like this is that once there has been a trial and evan has been found... convicted, then some sort of prisoner swap might take place but again, i stress,

we have heard nothing official, simply picked up on this quote from the kremlin spokesman, which again we don't know what he was referring to but he did say that. i wanted to bring in phil. presumably when it comes to reporting in russia, this has a chilling effect. evan worked for afp before joining the wall street journal. how are you, phil, managing your moscow bureau in light of what has happened to him? it has been a really, really tough period for our team in moscow. obviously, an event like what has happened to evan casts a cloud over everybody trying to do theirjob. in very difficult conditions. i will reiterate what emma has said he is a terrificjournalist, loved by the whole team. nothing but great things i can say about him as a journalist.

and so obviously, it second guesses everybody who is there. some decide to leave, others cannot leave because they may be russian. and they try to do theirjob as best they can, not really knowing where the line is. that is what is so hard. and emma, what level... what kind of staffing do you currently have in russia for the wall streetjournal? we no longer have anyone in russia. it is too dangerous. we have talented reporters who are doing... covering this story from outside, they have contacts inside russia but it is a very dangerous place to keep a journalistic presence, as we have discovered we have a journalist in russia, hejust happens to be behind bars. we are talking in a bit about the unrest in france, one of the issues we will get to it is the level of mistrust people in france have ofjournalists, which is not dissimilar to here in the uk. you were talking about the kind of issues facing journalists but do you think the public

actually appreciates the genuine risk some journalists, reporters like evan, face in bringing them the news? i think yes and no. one thing that has been amazing is the level of support we have had from notjust other journalists but from the wider public. our own readers are really very supportive and outraged on our behalf and that has been very encouraging. but i think perhaps it is underappreciated, the risks thatjournalists take and the importance of what they do. i have to say, in america where i am now, they do take independent journalism very seriously. i think that is party explains the credible response we have had here. i don't know. i think we need to tell the world more often how dangerous and complicated it is, to maintain a network of foreign correspondents, the amount of back work that goes into it, the visas, the security, the assessments

you have to make on the ground, peoples�* families, it is a complex and difficult business, keeping a foreign correspondent network going. emma tucker, editor in chief of the wall streetjournal, thank you so much for coming on the programme. we now turn to france, where earlier this month the country was gripped by riots. the starting point was the fatal shooting of 17—year—old nahel m by a policeman in a traffic stop in a suburb of paris. in the violence that followed, thousands were arrested and shops were looted and vehicles set alight. we are in a tourist hotspot and, as you can see, riot police are everywhere around. this is not the face of france that emmanuel macron wants you to see. the n60 reporters without borders says at least 18 journalists were attacked during the protest and rioting.

a freelance covering protests in the city needed stitches after being hit with a crowbar. and hundreds of police had been injured. let's find out what it has been like for journalists. emma pearson is the editor of the local france. boris is from a news channel. welcome to all of you would let me start with you, boris, tell us what you are experiencing. your channel has been reporting non—stop on this story. yes, i covered the first four night of violence in paris, the most violence. more than 3000 people

are in jail after these riots. it started with the shooting of a 17—year—old boy. 16,000 police were mobilised. they are police that are normally fighting terrorist operations. many fireworks were fired at the police. many cars were set on fire. and lots of businesses and shops looted. and police stations, the same. the mayor was attacked by two people.

an incredible situation. it is very difficult forjournalists in france to cover these riots. let's have a listen to a clip of you reporting on tuesday the evening, the day that nahel m was killed. you are standing in front of a police van and talking about the violence that has started. boris, just tell me a bit about what happened when you first tried to report from that scene because i understand... i understand people were telling you that you should leave. young people from the neighbourhood tell us that the only way to appear in the media is to burn everything.

burning police stations, cars, some people, and the police may recognise them and they think we don't tell the truth and that we protect the police. young people asked us to leave this place. it is very problematic to work in paris, the same in toulouse. we are used to covering the protest in paris. it is the same situation since the yellow jackets. what is it mean you do in terms of staying safe? do you take a security card? what is the situation for you? for covering the riots, the protest in paris, we have security, we are filming with the iphone, not bigger equipment.

much smaller equipment, so you are much less obvious. yes, we cannot use normal cameras. because it is too dangerous for the journalist to work in this situation. is it about a mistrust of the media, hatred ofjournalists, or is it because the kid is expensive and people might think it is worth robbing? i don't know that. i think the problem is mistrust of the press in france to date. yes. lots of people don't believe... in press.

people think that the press near to emmanuel macron and is not independent. it is since yellowjackets, since four years ago. katya adler. what precautions have you had to take and what reaction have you had from people on the ground? the bbc... when you are known to go out into those kind of situations, with the bbc, you get riot training and also i worked in the middle east for many years and you get hostile environment training which is renewed every three years. and those sort of things are for insurance of course, from a bbc point of view but it is also to equip us with realising key things. for example, nanterre, daytime, the housing estate where nahel lived, it can look quite calm during the day but in seconds

it could change. you get one look, a whole lot of people appear and you are threatened. that it happened to us on the thursday that we were there. things happen very fast. what happened when you did get threatened? several times we were threatened, we were... just by raising a mobile phone and filming. youth were shouting at us, where were you before nahel? the press and authorities only look when something awful happens, that is a big question. many people we spoke to in those suburbs and from nahel�*s family, the case is getting so much attention from the press and the authorities responding is because it was filmed on mobile phones from several different angles, which means that the policeman who shot

nahel initially he said he thought his life and the life of another police colleague was in danger. that was shown from phone footage to be absolutely not the case. but then in the suburbs, they will say to you, there are many nahels but their deaths, the provocation the racial profiling they say they face every single day is not recorded the press are not there and that leads to a lot of resentment. also from what we look like, we lead very different lives to the ones they experience in the suburbs and they object to being portrayed as... two big police unions in france put out a press release calling them savage hordes, pests. and so what they fear is the press is there to portray them as such. so there is a deep, deep, deep distrust but also i have

to say we face it when we are going out with demonstrations of the far right in france as well, there you also have a deep distrust of... as you know, it is called mainstream media and we are not welcome, that can also lead to us being pushed around and cameras being taken or damaged. and in terms of your approach to this story, if you are faced with unrest across an entire country, it started on the outskirts of paris, how do you decide... i don't mean what angle in a dodgy way in any sense, but how do you decide how you are going to cover it? the bbc is very lucky in that we have lots of talented reporters across europe and so with a story like that, so big, you have such huge riots, across the country, shocking the country and france's allies across the world, we sent reporters to

different parts of france, it is important to show it is notjust paris and so we are able to do that. it is important to get different voices on, clearly. whereas of course the people who live in those suburbs are the ones attracting attention, we made an effort to go and talk to a police union as well to get their perspective. i went to france's ministry of foreign events were affairs. i think for once, credibility, you really need always to have the different perspectives are the different voices and the young rioters, their mothers and fathers. it was so striking, i thought, that president macron had to leave the biggest emergency that europe is looking at right now, the invasion of ukraine, he was at an eu summit and he had to leave at the press conference he then gave was appealing to the parents, the mothers and fathers, of the young rioters, saying keep them at home, keep them off social media where there are messages circulating, asking them to gather on the streets and protest but it is also an indication of the fact that he has to ask them that he is aware that french authorities just do not

have a foothold or any trust in the communities that they could reach believably and appeal for calm. that is a real indictment. phil chapman from afp. we were talking earlier about the precautions journalist have to take and presumably when access to the scene of a story becomes an issue when journalists are being attacked potentially, i am assuming a newsagency like yours becomes even more useful to newspapers and tv channels because you can go out and try and provide the material that they may be less able to get, i don't know. absolutely. what i would say for example is we have a full—time correspondent in nanterre. we have someone who works there everyday when there is not a riot or a crisis and so on, so therefore, knows people that you can then call on when you need to go in there in difficult times, so you can build trust and also we have a network of bureaus across france, of course, which means we can mobilise as and when different areas of unrest break out.

to react as things evolve. for clients such as the bbc, bfm, clients all over the world. and the levels of precaution that we were talking about, filming on iphones, security guards, is that also the kind of thing afp would implement? absolutely. we would certainly film with iphones. since the yellow vests, which boris mentioned, we have seen that real anger towards the media on the streets, especially television. i would say our tech journalists and photographers have been able to work relatively easily on demonstrations. —— text. there is a huge sensitivity about tv and a huge sensitivity about live tv. that is really raising the stakes. what i would say over the last

sort of week is it has really gone up a notch. it was that much higher. we had journalists injured. maybe it was the younger demographic. i think it was also linked to the fact there was a lot of criminality going on. there was a fear that the images would be used by police or someone later as evidence to bring criminal cases. textjournalists could actually work, they were let through sometimes, whereas the image people were in trouble. and also saying about mistrust, emma pearson, has mistrust ever been this bad in the media in france? the latest report says france is one of the lowest scoring european countries for public trust in the news. just 30% trust it most the time. yes, i think as the others said, we certainly saw this a lot since the yellow vests and city pandemic, like all countries, there has been a real increase in sort of distrust in media but one

thing i did notice this time was this absolute avalanche of disinformation in social media about the riots in france and they were crazy stories going round. they seemed to me to be amplified by english—language media accounts, the far right in the uk and the us, they were really amplifying it, stories and sharing video clips that were not from france, from years ago, stills from movies, the leader of the british far—right party sharing a clip from one of the fast and furious movies, claiming that people were pushing cars off multistorey car parks, that it not happen. it seems to me that the disinformation has kicked up a notch this time. president macron has been blaming social media and video games p seems to be saying in future they will cut off social media. how do you think that will go down?

i think maybe his comment might have been slightly exaggerated. he said he had a meeting with a lot of mayors and this is reporting what was said in the meeting. it is maybe not as quite as extreme as it sounds, i they're looking to bring in some provisions for a social media bill that is already going through parliament. katya, just as we come towards the end, what would be your suggestion... what are your thoughts on the strategy president macron has employed over the last few days? he has tried to tread quite a tightrope in a very security obsessed country, where the far right is breathing down his neck in public opinion polls, to put a lot of extra security forces on the street but at the same time try to not inflame passions. he did not call for a state of emergency, which is what we saw the last time there were such huge riots in france,

back in 2005. the difference then is that it was just in the suburbs and did not spread into mainstream france and that has been put down to social media that is why he is worried about it. i'm afraid that is all we have got time for this week. thank you so much to all my guests. thank you all so much for watching. goodbye. hello. our spell of rather cool, unsettled and blustery mid—july weather is set to continue through the remainder of the weekend. this was the picture saturday evening just before the sun set in north berwick, east lothian. we've had some big, vivid rainbows around and we could see more of those on sunday with that mix, again, of some sunshine and further heavy and blustery

showers. they won't be as frequent as they were on saturday, though. so, we've still got low pressure close by, just edging its way towards the north—east, but still plenty of isobars on the map showing another fairly blustery sort of day. quite a bit of cloud first thing for parts of northern england, scotland as well, and we'll continue to see patchy rain on and off for much of the day across northern and western scotland. a bit more sunshine but also scattered showers further east and, really, for northern ireland, england and wales, sunny spells and blustery showers. the gusts of wind 30—a0 miles per hour, even a bit more than that around exposed coasts and hills. so, temperatures between about 14—22 north to south but feeling a touch cooler if you are exposed to those north—westerly or westerly winds that we've got with us. winds do ease away, i think, sunday evening and overnight. some late sunshine before the sun sets in the south. we've got a bit more cloud again as we head through into monday across parts of scotland with a few splashes of light rain. 11 degrees or so here the overnight lows, but we could see single figures in one or two more rural spots, though, so a fresher start, i think, to your monday

morning. now, monday sees higher pressure trying to nudge in from the south. not as many isobars on the map, so not such a windy day, i think, on monday, and fewer showers compared to the weekend. there will be a fewjust bubbling up through the day across england, wales, northern ireland and for scotland, too, less in the way of cloud lingering, so a bit more sunshine and a few scattered showers. temperatures similar to recent days around — around 14—22 degrees — but feeling a touch warmer because we will have lost the breeze. moving ahead now into tuesday and the next area of low pressure moves its way in from the atlantic. so, initially, probably a dry start to tuesday for many of us. some early sunshine. then, the rain creeps in across parts of northern ireland, perhaps western parts of england and wales, southern scotland, too. northern half of scotland probably seeing sunshine and showers once again on tuesday and, actually, east anglia and the south—east, you're likely to stay dry for a good part of the day and perhaps a touch warmer — up to about 23 degrees or so. but as you can see from our outlook, the next five days or so through much of the week ahead still unsettled. sunny spells and heavy showers. bye— bye.

live from london, live from london, this is bbc news. this is bbc news. nearly a third of americans are under an extreme heat warning, as the usjoins warning, as the usjoins southern europe in the grip southern europe in the grip of a heatwave. the defence secretary, the defence secretary, ben wallace, ben wallace, confirms he's leaving government at the next reshuffle and won't stand again as an mp. and lionel messi, who led argentina to glory in last year's world cup, signs a contract with inter miami, which is co—owned by david beckham.