hello welcome to the programme. britain chairs the first ever security council session on artificial intelligence. how do we mitigate the risks? while taking full advantage of the benefits? light touch, pro—innovation? or do we need general—purpose rules overseen by an international body, like the iaea. also we'll talk to the man in ukraine who is procuring arms for the counter—offensive. the bbc has spoken to military leaders in the east, who say currently, it is going much slower going than they would have hoped. and that enormous floating barge has arrived in portland dorset, to house migrants who land illegally here in the uk. but will the new bill the government passed in the house last night deter those who have put their lives in the hands of the people smugglers?

no one doubts the huge potential ai has to change the way we live. but the rise of chatgpt and the other fast advancing systems, has been accompanied these past months by a sharp increase, in anxiety. it is the ability of ai systems to teach themselves or to grow in ways we don't fully understand, that has researchers predicting a large scale catastrophe. that makes it the business of the united nations. of the united nations security council. today for the first time, they began the dialogue about its potential impact on global peace and security. the uk which holds the rotating presidency of the council, said the challenge is to mitigate the risk ai presents, through coordinated action, while making sure we all enjoy the tremendous benefits it could deliver. our north america correspondent nomia iqbal was watching that session. what has the foreign secretary been saying? what has the foreign secretary been sa in: ? , . , what has the foreign secretary been sa in? , ., what has the foreign secretary been sa in? , , ., .,

saying? this was a big deal for the uk forjames _ saying? this was a big deal for the uk forjames cleverly, _ saying? this was a big deal for the uk forjames cleverly, the - saying? this was a big deal for the uk forjames cleverly, the uk - saying? this was a big deal for the | uk forjames cleverly, the uk wants uk forjames cleverly, the uk wants to show that it can compete with the global giants and what is the most hyped up area of tech for the data can be a leader geographically and intellectually when it comes to artificial intelligence. they are holding the rotation of the presidency this month and they wasted no time putting on this security council meeting. i spoke to the foreign secretaryjust before the foreign secretaryjust before the meeting started and i started off by asking him what was the point off by asking him what was the point of this meeting, what was he hoping to achieve? bi of this meeting, what was he hoping to achieve? �* , . ., to achieve? ai is having and will have amplifying _ to achieve? ai is having and will have amplifying effects - to achieve? ai is having and will have amplifying effects and - to achieve? ai is having and will have amplifying effects and an l have amplifying effects and an accelerating effects on all the things— accelerating effects on all the things we currently use technology for that _ things we currently use technology for that could be used for good, medical— for that could be used for good, medical research, china and the change — medical research, china and the change or— medical research, china and the change or analysing big data sets. there _ change or analysing big data sets. there also— change or analysing big data sets. there also potential maligned uses of al _ there also potential maligned uses of ai. what we're saying today, the

un security council is saying we need _ un security council is saying we need to— un security council is saying we need to work internationally to understand the risk, mitigate those risks and _ understand the risk, mitigate those risks and also put structures and regulations in place. that can only be done _ regulations in place. that can only be done internationally, that's what we discussed today. give be done internationally, that's what we discussed today.— we discussed today. give me an examle we discussed today. give me an example of— we discussed today. give me an example of what _ we discussed today. give me an example of what is _ we discussed today. give me an example of what is maligned. . we discussed today. give me an l example of what is maligned. the we discussed today. give me an - example of what is maligned. the use of ai example of what is maligned. the use of al to develon _ example of what is maligned. the use of al to develop weapons. _ example of what is maligned. the use of al to develop weapons. just - example of what is maligned. the use of al to develop weapons. just as - example of what is maligned. the use of al to develop weapons. just as ai i of al to develop weapons. just as ai can be used — of al to develop weapons. just as ai can be used to develop drugs that could _ can be used to develop drugs that could solve disease challenges of the world — could solve disease challenges of the world it could potentially use to create — the world it could potentially use to create bio weapons. that's the kind of— to create bio weapons. that's the kind of things we need to do, harvest — kind of things we need to do, harvest the positives and protect ourselves internationally.- harvest the positives and protect ourselves internationally. other any countries are _ ourselves internationally. other any countries are particularly _ ourselves internationally. other any countries are particularly concerned | countries are particularly concerned about in terms of their development of ai? i about in terms of their development of ai? 4' about in terms of their development of ai? ~ ., ., ., of ai? i think one thing we have to understand — of ai? i think one thing we have to understand is _ of ai? i think one thing we have to understand is it _ of ai? i think one thing we have to understand is it wouldn't - of ai? i think one thing we have to understand is it wouldn't be - of ai? i think one thing we have to understand is it wouldn't be just i of ai? i think one thing we have to understand is it wouldn't be just a | understand is it wouldn't be just a state _ understand is it wouldn't be just a state actors that could potentially use at _ state actors that could potentially use n for — state actors that could potentially use ai for negative or maligned purposes — use ai for negative or maligned purposes. it is about digging about how we _

purposes. it is about digging about how we develop it, what we've released — how we develop it, what we've released publicly, what is more tightly— released publicly, what is more tightly held. i don't pretend to have _ tightly held. idon't pretend to have all— tightly held. i don't pretend to have all the answers, no one does. but working — have all the answers, no one does. but working together we can analyse some of— but working together we can analyse some of the challenges and look carefully— some of the challenges and look carefully at what we do to protect ourselves — carefully at what we do to protect ourselves internationally whilst also helping... ourselves internationally whilst also helping---_ ourselves internationally whilst also helinu... ., �* ., , also helping... you've got countries like china that — also helping... you've got countries like china that are _ also helping... you've got countries like china that are behind _ also helping... you've got countries like china that are behind the - also helping... you've got countries like china that are behind the us i also helping... you've got countries like china that are behind the us in | like china that are behind the us in the head of the uk, does that or new? ., , ., , , new? one of the people we briefed the un security _ new? one of the people we briefed the un security council— new? one of the people we briefed the un security council today - new? one of the people we briefed the un security council today is - new? one of the people we briefed the un security council today is a l the un security council today is a chinese _ the un security council today is a chinese technologist, we also have a british— chinese technologist, we also have a british technologist there. it is in everybody's interest, every nation and every — everybody's interest, every nation and every persons interest to get this right — and every persons interest to get this right. and better that we get it right _ this right. and better that we get it right to— this right. and better that we get it right to gather then in silos are isolated — it right to gather then in silos are isolated from each other. that's why the un _ isolated from each other. that's why the un security council is a really good _ the un security council is a really good starting point. the uk is hosting — good starting point. the uk is hosting in al safety summit later on this year— hosting in al safety summit later on this year for that we will play our part working with the international community to harvest the benefits while _ community to harvest the benefits while protecting ourselves. that was

uk foreian while protecting ourselves. that was uk foreign secretary _ while protecting ourselves. that was uk foreign secretary james - while protecting ourselves. that was uk foreign secretary james cleverly| uk foreign secretary james cleverly cheering that meeting. it was one of those meetings where there was a lot of talking, a lot of statements, no concrete goals achieved at the end of it. the un secretary—general antonio guterres did say that his vision is for the un to create this governing body to govern artificial intelligence in the way it does when it comes... in the way has bodies to govern nuclear weapons for the aviation energy and meet the challenges of climate change as well. ., ~ challenges of climate change as well. . ,, ., ,., , , well. he talked about this chinese technologist _ well. he talked about this chinese technologist that _ well. he talked about this chinese technologist that was _ well. he talked about this chinese technologist that was in _ well. he talked about this chinese technologist that was in the - well. he talked about this chinese technologist that was in the room | technologist that was in the room giving evidence. what does the chinese camp think about this generally?— chinese camp think about this renerall ? .,, ,., , ., generally? there was some tension there because _ generally? there was some tension there because china _ generally? there was some tension there because china is _ generally? there was some tension there because china is leading - there because china is leading second, just behind america in terms of advance of artificial intelligence. they say if there are

good bun bodies or rules then it should reflect the views of developing countries and it shouldn't be these western nations that decide how artificial intelligence is governed for the other country should be able to establish their own regulations. there is some tension between china and america, cars always is. there are some reports that the us is to limit the flow of powerful artificial intelligence chips. there was also the us and the meeting, they didn't directly address china's concerns but they did make a dig at china, accusing china of using technology to monitor ethnic minorities.— technology to monitor ethnic minorities. ., ,, ., ., minorities. thank you for that. joinin: minorities. thank you for that. joining me _ minorities. thank you for that. joining me from _ minorities. thank you for that. joining me from san _ minorities. thank you for that. | joining me from san francisco, california, the executive director of the future of life institute. one of the future of life institute. one of these people that knows everything there is to know about

this issue. let's talk about what was proposed today. the un says it would like to form a governing body. what would that look like in your opinion, what would it be tasked with doing? i opinion, what would it be tasked with doing?— opinion, what would it be tasked with doinu ? ~' ., ., ., with doing? i think there are a lot of models that _ with doing? i think there are a lot of models that people _ with doing? i think there are a lot of models that people propose i with doing? i think there are a lot| of models that people propose for bodies _ of models that people propose for bodies like this. this is early days — bodies like this. this is early days i— bodies like this. this is early days. i think the crucial thing is that— days. i think the crucial thing is that we — days. i think the crucial thing is that we have a body that can address some of— that we have a body that can address some of the — that we have a body that can address some of the urgent and profound risks— some of the urgent and profound risks that — some of the urgent and profound risks that these advanced ai systems are starting to pose. these are broad — are starting to pose. these are broad and _ are starting to pose. these are broad and extreme and i think we're really— broad and extreme and i think we're really at _ broad and extreme and i think we're really at a _ broad and extreme and i think we're really at a new stage as we were at the beginning of the nuclear era we have to _ the beginning of the nuclear era we have to change the way we do things internationally and have new bodies that can _ internationally and have new bodies that can have the safety of humanity as a whole _ that can have the safety of humanity as a whole 1st. | that can have the safety of humanity as a whole 1st.— as a whole 1st. i asked jack to pt today what _ as a whole 1st. i asked jack to pt today what risk _ as a whole 1st. i asked jack to pt today what risk it _ as a whole 1st. i asked jack to pt today what risk it presents - as a whole 1st. i asked jack to pt today what risk it presents to - today what risk it presents to humanity and it came up with a list, fairly exhaustive list i'll put them on screen for you it says...

finally they ai finally they alarms race that know me i talked about. that's a lot to get your head around. it is developing so quickly. do you subscribe to the theory that perhaps we're already too late to put a governing body around all those issues? i governing body around all those issues? ., �* ~' �* governing body around all those issues? ., �* ,, �* ., issues? i don't think we're too late but i think issues? i don't think we're too late but i think we _ issues? i don't think we're too late but i think we have _ issues? i don't think we're too late but i think we have to _ issues? i don't think we're too late but i think we have to act - issues? i don't think we're too late but i think we have to act quickly. l but i think we have to act quickly. i but i think we have to act quickly. i was _ but i think we have to act quickly. i was one — but i think we have to act quickly. i was one of— but i think we have to act quickly. i was one of the behind to pause ai, we had _ i was one of the behind to pause ai, we had a _ i was one of the behind to pause ai, we had a large open letter. i think we had a large open letter. i think we need _ we had a large open letter. i think we need to— we had a large open letter. i think we need to slow down and take a lrreak— we need to slow down and take a break from — we need to slow down and take a break from the breakneck and competitive speed of development so we can— competitive speed of development so we can allow the governance and regulation — we can allow the governance and regulation and its creation of new institutions to catch up. i think we need _ institutions to catch up. i think we need to— institutions to catch up. i think we need to act— institutions to catch up. i think we need to act fast and slow down the

race to _ need to act fast and slow down the race to get — need to act fast and slow down the race to get the superpowerful ai systems — race to get the superpowerful ai s stems. . ., , ., ., systems. reflect for me if you would on some within _ systems. reflect for me if you would on some within the _ systems. reflect for me if you would on some within the chinese - systems. reflect for me if you would on some within the chinese camp - systems. reflect for me if you would | on some within the chinese camp that if there is a governing body it needs to reflect the wishes and the demands of developing nations. you're in san francisco and it is true that in the social media space it is america that has commanded, but america has led the way to the exclusion of other countries around the world sometimes. i exclusion of other countries around the world sometimes.— the world sometimes. i think there are lots of different _ the world sometimes. i think there are lots of different arenas - the world sometimes. i think there are lots of different arenas that - the world sometimes. i think there are lots of different arenas that al | are lots of different arenas that ai will play in. there will be incorporated in many parts of our economy— incorporated in many parts of our economy and the may countries will have different ways they will want to regulate and govern how ai plays out in _ to regulate and govern how ai plays out in their— to regulate and govern how ai plays out in their countries and societies. i think there are issues that transcend individual countries and governments, which are the ones that threatened humanity as a whole. in that threatened humanity as a whole. in the _ that threatened humanity as a whole. in the same _ that threatened humanity as a whole. in the same way that the us and the soviet union came together during

the cold _ soviet union came together during the cold war to make agreements about— the cold war to make agreements about nuclear weapons i think countries _ about nuclear weapons i think countries are going to have to come together— countries are going to have to come together at— countries are going to have to come together at this very high level and make _ together at this very high level and make agreements about the most powerful— make agreements about the most powerful ai systems and how we're going _ powerful ai systems and how we're going to _ powerful ai systems and how we're going to keep them safe and under control _ going to keep them safe and under control ht— going to keep them safe and under control. �* ., ., , control. at the moment china is lagging behind _ control. at the moment china is lagging behind america - control. at the moment china is lagging behind america in - control. at the moment china is lagging behind america in the i lagging behind america in the development of artificial intelligence. you can see a scenario where they might catch up and they might see this as the short cut to not only an economic advantage but also to china becoming the most powerful nation on the earth. if they were to go their own way and not subscribe to a rules —based system, would that undermine the rest of the club? fine system, would that undermine the rest of the club?— rest of the club? one of the reasons we need to — rest of the club? one of the reasons we need to get _ rest of the club? one of the reasons we need to get together _ rest of the club? one of the reasons we need to get together and - we need to get together and co—ordinate internationally is the alternative, this pernicious race that somehow by raising to these ever more — that somehow by raising to these ever more powerful systems, delegating more to them, giving more capability— delegating more to them, giving more capability and more decision—making to systems _ capability and more decision—making to systems where we don't really understand how the work that we're

somehow— understand how the work that we're somehow going to win. i think this isjust_ somehow going to win. i think this isjust getting into a race like that— isjust getting into a race like that is— isjust getting into a race like that is a _ isjust getting into a race like that is a race that people are not going to — that is a race that people are not going to win. the human race is knocking — going to win. the human race is knocking when the ai will win that race _ knocking when the ai will win that race ht_ knocking when the ai will win that race. �* ., knocking when the ai will win that race. . ., ., knocking when the ai will win that race. �* ., ., ., knocking when the ai will win that race. ., ., ., , , _., race. at all of our expense. just on security and _ race. at all of our expense. just on security and defence, _ race. at all of our expense. just on security and defence, which - race. at all of our expense. just on security and defence, which was i race. at all of our expense. just on i security and defence, which was part of the discussion today. there are concerns that al could be used to set false targets or to put satellites off targeting and that we might in the future have to think of very different ways to how we approach defense. is it incumbent then on nato and the western allies, maybe we learned some lessons to find their own solutions to some of these problems. i find their own solutions to some of these problems.— these problems. i think countries are auoin these problems. i think countries are going to _ these problems. i think countries are going to have _ these problems. i think countries are going to have their— these problems. i think countries are going to have their own - are going to have their own decisions _ are going to have their own decisions in how to incorporate ai in various— decisions in how to incorporate ai in various parts of what they do. one of— in various parts of what they do. one of the — in various parts of what they do. one of the things we're concerned about— one of the things we're concerned about is— one of the things we're concerned about is the cooperation of ai and command—and—control systems. there is a big _ command—and—control systems. there is a big push— command—and—control systems. there is a big push for this without one of the _ is a big push for this without one of the things we want to be careful not to—

of the things we want to be careful not to do— of the things we want to be careful not to do is— of the things we want to be careful not to do is over delegate and definitely not incorporate ai not to do is over delegate and definitely not incorporate alto nuclear— definitely not incorporate alto nuclear command control systems. this seems— nuclear command control systems. this seems like a terrible idea. our organisation put out a short film today— organisation put out a short film today illustrating the risk of over delegating ai, including nuclear command—and—control. i think we can all agree _ command—and—control. i think we can all agree this — command—and—control. i think we can all agree this is a bad idea we should — all agree this is a bad idea we should keep certain high—stakes decisions — should keep certain high—stakes decisions in human hands. i'm hoping that some _ decisions in human hands. i'm hoping that some of— decisions in human hands. i'm hoping that some of the low hanging fruit can be _ that some of the low hanging fruit can be things like we're not going to incorporate ai nuclear weapons, work _ to incorporate ai nuclear weapons, work and _ to incorporate ai nuclear weapons, work and keep human hands on certain things— work and keep human hands on certain things like _ work and keep human hands on certain things like the decision to take lives _ things like the decision to take lives and — things like the decision to take lives and make large decisions in command — lives and make large decisions in command and control for that i think there is— command and control for that i think there is low— command and control for that i think there is low hanging fruit where we can all— there is low hanging fruit where we can all agree on base levels of sanity— can all agree on base levels of sanity and _ can all agree on base levels of sanity and how we use ai. that's where i would _ sanity and how we use ai. that's where i would start. _ sanity and how we use ai. that's where i would start. very - where i would start. very interesting, nonproliferation of ai interesting, nonproliferation of ai in nuclear. no doubt a discussion in the future. take it very much indeed. around the world and here in the uk

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you're live with bbc news. one of ukraine's most senior military commanders has admitted the counter offensive is not going as fast as he or the allies would like. general oleksandr syrskyi, who's in charge of military operations in eastern ukraine, told the bbc that quick results were "practically impossible" because of the well prepared russian defences. but the general said he hopes ukraine will be able to recapture, the city of bakhmut — which russian forces seized control of earlier this year. our defence correspondentjonathan beale reports from eastern ukraine. the bloody battle for bakhmut isn't over. the city is now held by the russians, but we travelled with ukrainian forces who are trying to take it back.

their advance is still slow and meeting resistance. again. alex tells me the situation is tense. "as you see", he says, "the enemy's firing at our position". they try to fire back with their finnish—supplied mortar, but even western weapons can occasionally malfunction. that was a russian shell landing. their positions are just about three kilometres away from here. last time i was near here two months ago, it was the ukrainians losing ground and in danger of being surrounded. now, it's the other way round. this is the bunker from where ukraine's coordinating the offensive on bakhmut, with a constant live feed from dozens of drones.

the commander admits they're suffering losses, but not on the same scale as the russians. translation: we've taken the initiative. l the enemy is bringing in troops and wants to escape the trap. but they're in trouble. bakhmut could be encircled. ukraine is using all it can to break the russian defences, from the ground and from the air. but it's still outgunned and having to spread its limited resources on several fronts. but it will soon have a new weapon — us—supplied cluster bombs fired from these same american howitzers. this gun, will you use cluster munitions in this gun? yes, yes. you will? yes. and will you have any concerns? in the field, no.

on the town, i have...forbidden for this, because it's not human. oleksandr syrskyi is the general in charge of all military operations in the east. this is a command vehicle, yes? yeah. the mastermind behind the defence of kyiv and the successful offensive in kharkiv. unlike many russian commanders, he's lionised by his troops. and now his eyes are firmly set on retaking bakhmut. and you will take it back, bakhmut? yes, of course. i try to do it. the offensive has been going on for more than a month now. even president zelensky has said it is slower than ukraine had hoped for. is that true? translation: we would like to get

i very fast results, but in reality, . it's practically impossible. this entire area is well prepared with defences, so all advances are not going as fast as we would like. so far, the advances have only been modest. most of the front remains relatively static. these ukrainian trench lines in the east haven't budged since 2014. ukraine has still to commit all its forces, but it's yet to break through russia's heavily mined main lines of defence. jonathan beale, bbc news, eastern ukraine. let's speak to the ukrainian politician oleksandr kamyshin who is minister of strategic industries. he was formerly in charge of the trains in ukraine, which he kept running through the war, 85% were running through the war, 85% were running even through the dark days in the war. welcome to the program. good to talk to you again. the

defence secretary lloyd austin was talking this afternoon, he said the contact route, the 50 or so countries that are donated weapons to ukraine need to dig deep into their inventory. is there a shortfall in your view in what that contact group has promised? i’m contact group has promised? i'm crateful contact group has promised? i“n grateful for all the technical aid received from our brother countries. i don't understand they dig deep enough to get more and more for us. again, beside the facts are responsible for a protection, i'm really grateful for what we've received. ., really grateful for what we've received. . ' ~:: :: :: :: really grateful for what we've received. . ' ~:: 11:11: ,, ., received. there are 160,000 russian soldiers that— received. there are 160,000 russian soldiers that are _ received. there are 160,000 russian soldiers that are on _ received. there are 160,000 russian soldiers that are on the _ received. there are 160,000 russian soldiers that are on the front - received. there are 160,000 russian soldiers that are on the front line. . soldiers that are on the front line. there are still huge numbers of russians there. have you been able to secure the right type of weapons that would tilt the balance in your favour? brute

that would tilt the balance in your favour? ~ , ., , that would tilt the balance in your favour? , ., ~ that would tilt the balance in your favour? ~ , ., , ., ,, ., that would tilt the balance in your favour? , ., «a, ., favour? we constantly work on that. you know. — favour? we constantly work on that. you know. it's _ favour? we constantly work on that. you know, it's never _ favour? we constantly work on that. you know, it's never enough. - favour? we constantly work on that. you know, it's never enough. we . favour? we constantly work on that. i you know, it's never enough. we grow production significantly but we're still way too far from where we need to be. that's why we rely very much on the supply we get from our partner countries. i'm again gratefulfor partner countries. i'm again grateful for that.— partner countries. i'm again cratefulfor that. ., ., . ., grateful for that. you are in charge of procurement _ grateful for that. you are in charge of procurement and _ grateful for that. you are in charge of procurement and development i grateful for that. you are in charge l of procurement and development of weapons in ukraine now. then wallace the uk defence secretary said the other day that tragically ukraine had become —— ben wallace. a battle axe for what technology. can you talk to us about that? help us understand where in advantage might be found and what sort of industries you are encouraging. for be found and what sort of industries you are encouraging.— you are encouraging. for sure those com anies you are encouraging. for sure those companies that _ you are encouraging. for sure those companies that production - you are encouraging. for sure those companies that production in - you are encouraging. for sure thosel companies that production in ukraine will get the benefit of producing in ukraine. doing r&d in ukraine and getting feedback and finally getting their products tested with the best

quality seo you can get in the world. because we've got the largest war of generation. probably those products that will be produced locally and by the end the war will be produced here would be the best thing for us. it's a good incentive for the defence industry companies to come and start production in ukraine. ., ., ., ,, ., ukraine. you are talking about the small drones _ ukraine. you are talking about the small drones that _ ukraine. you are talking about the small drones that have _ ukraine. you are talking about the small drones that have spied - ukraine. you are talking about the small drones that have spied on i small drones that have spied on russian lines and also drop bombs on russian lines and also drop bombs on russian lines?— russian lines? we've got several hundreds of— russian lines? we've got several hundreds of companies - russian lines? we've got several hundreds of companies making i russian lines? we've got several- hundreds of companies making drones and more to come. local and international companies. again, drones are the game changer in this war. actually the second world war was drones. irate war. actually the second world war was drones-— war. actually the second world war was drones. ~ ., ,, ., ., ., was drones. we talked for an someone from the aspen — was drones. we talked for an someone from the aspen institute _ was drones. we talked for an someone from the aspen institute who - was drones. we talked for an someone from the aspen institute who said - from the aspen institute who said one of the concerning aspects of this was that the russians had been able to jam the targeting of those

longer—range missiles launches. we talked in the programme already tonight about al and the way that technology is changing the battlefield. now you having to react to that? ,, , ., , ., . to that? sure. this war will produce the bus german _ to that? sure. this war will produce the bus german and _ to that? sure. this war will produce the bus german and anti-german i to that? sure. this war will produce i the bus german and anti-german and the bus german and anti—german and anti—german, i'm sure the experience we gain here for the that's the experience that will let us grow our defence industry and to make the industry the locomotive of the revival of the economy when the war is over. ~ ., , revival of the economy when the war is over. ~ . , ., revival of the economy when the war is over. ~ ., ., . ., ., , revival of the economy when the war is over. ~ ., . ., ., , ., is over. was it that technology that hels is over. was it that technology that helps ukraine _ is over. was it that technology that helps ukraine blow-up _ is over. was it that technology that helps ukraine blow-up kurd - is over. was it that technology that l helps ukraine blow-up kurd bridge? helps ukraine blow—up kurd bridge? we will help much more after the victory day celebration. that's why we have to work hard. and make more like that when everyone wakes up and gets good news. in

like that when everyone wakes up and gets good news-— gets good news. in terms of the counteroffensive, _ gets good news. in terms of the counteroffensive, do _ gets good news. in terms of the counteroffensive, do you - gets good news. in terms of the counteroffensive, do you think. gets good news. in terms of the i counteroffensive, do you think that major progress can be made now before the winter, the cold winter months command? at that point things tend to stay where they are. how important is it that you get to a position where you take back a lot of land before those colder temperatures come? it’s of land before those colder temperatures come? of land before those colder temeratures come? �* , ., ., temperatures come? it's important to net temperatures come? it's important to get everything — temperatures come? it's important to get everything we — temperatures come? it's important to get everything we need. _ temperatures come? it's important to get everything we need. my _ temperatures come? it's important to get everything we need. my position, | get everything we need. my position, i am working hard to make more things that help our army get our land back. �* ., things that help our army get our land back. . ., , , ., , land back. and throw the russians out. is land back. and throw the russians out- is that _ land back. and throw the russians out. is that important _ land back. and throw the russians out. is that important not - land back. and throw the russians out. is that important not only - land back. and throw the russians out. is that important not only to l out. is that important not only to the morale of the army on the front line but also the people where you are there in steve? it’s line but also the people where you are there in steve?— are there in steve? it's important for all ukraine _ are there in steve? it's important for all ukraine -- _ are there in steve? it's important for all ukraine -- kyiv. _ are there in steve? it's important for all ukraine -- kyiv. they - are there in steve? it's important for all ukraine -- kyiv. they in i are there in steve? it's important| for all ukraine -- kyiv. they in the for all ukraine —— kyiv. they in the west of ukraine and inside of ukraine. you got several units.

today have been speaking to the representative of the world congress of ukrainians. they come from canada and they feel like ukrainians do like ukrainians and help us like ukrainians. i'm happy because of the world is like ukrainians. brave, helping us and standing for freedom. you used to run the trains. it's a very differentjob to the one you have now. i guess that'sjust very differentjob to the one you have now. i guess that's just how ukrainians have to be, they have to adapt however they can for the betterment of the country. well, i don't like much _ betterment of the country. well, i don't like much and _ betterment of the country. well, i don't like much and i'm _ betterment of the country. well, i don't like much and i'm focusing l betterment of the country. well, i l don't like much and i'm focusing on my current assignment more. what i've seen is that we have hired people in the railways and also i am people in the railways and also i am people in the railways and also i am people in the industry. this helps us do more and them and helps us

make the victory day celebration. thank you very much for coming on the programme again. good to see you. we will take a short break. we will be right back. hello. there's no end in sight, really, to our unsettled run of weather. there are already parts of scotland so far this july that have seen 60% more rainfall than a typicaljuly so it has been very wet. keswick was hiding underneath the rain clouds during the day today. and the reason it has been unsettled is because of this trough to our west. that creates areas of low pressure that then move across the uk and bring us rain, and there is no change to that pattern expected. meanwhile across southern europe, we've got this ridge and what that does is it pushes air down through the earth's atmosphere. that descending air can dry out and can trap some extreme heat near the earth's surface. 46 likely in parts of sardinia and sicily, but for both, actually, temperatures for most will be more

into the upper 30s. it is still extreme heat, still quite dangerous, but the 46es will be relatively localised affairs. now, overnight tonight for us, outbreaks of rain will slowly be easing across eastern areas as our area of low pressure works out into the north sea. it then turns quite chilly for scotland and northern ireland, with temperatures getting down into single figures here, with some clear spells. and overall, looking at the weather charts for wednesday, as that low pressure pulls out of the way, it's a brighter kind of day, a day really of sunshine and showers. the majority of the showers will be across northern and eastern scotland and across eastern areas of england as well, where there could be one or two sharp ones come the afternoon. still, we are expecting some spells of sunshine, so at least in that regard it should be a better kind of day. that said, temperatures for most will continue to be a little bit below average, typically between 17 and 20, although 2a in london is close to average, it won't feel too bad in thejuly sunshine. for thursday another showery kind

of day but that said, there won't be that many showers around. most of them will be in northern scotland, so if you do catch a shower elsewhere you can count yourself quite unlucky. sunny spells, temperatures still a little below average forjuly, and highs for most of us between around 17 and 23 celsius. what about the end of the week and the weekend? well, rememberthat trough in the jet stream? well, that's not going anywhere very far, very fast. and that will create further areas of low pressure, and that means we've got more rain to come. for friday, the wet weather will be across parts of scotland and northern ireland, drier and brighterfor most of england and wales, but for most through the weekend, we will see rain at times.

too much" to bear. hello i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news... a global heatwave is in full force in many places around the world. there have been wildfire, record temperatures and a warning for people to stay inside. will check on the weather shortly but first let's get a round up of our sport from the bbc sport centre. the commonwealth games federeration insists the event doesn't face an existential threat, after the state of victoria in australia pulled out of hosting the 2026 games. the state claims the projected cost had now tripled to around 4 billion

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