travel details if they want to leave a 75—mile "free movement zone". our russia editor steve rosenberg explains what it will mean in practice. they would have to notify the authorities of where they are going, what the route is going to be, what transport they are going to use, with their going to speak to and where they're going to be staying. this concerns british diplomats working at the embassy in moscow and also uk diplomats at the consulate. the russians say all of this is in response to london's hostile actions. staying with the war in ukraine. the united states has confirmed that us—supplied cluster bombs are being used in ukraine as part of its offensive against the occupying russian forces. the national security adviser, john kirby, said initialfeedback from kyiv suggested the munitions were being utilised effectively and were already having an impact on russia's defensive lines. some nato members expressed concern

over washington's decision to supply the weapons to kyiv. the bombs can kill indiscriminately over a wide area and are banned in more than a—hundred countries. in more than 100 countries. diets that are high in meat create four times the amount of greenhouse gases than vegan diets. that's accordingthe new analysis from the university of oxford. the team studied the eating habits of 55,000 people, using data from 38,000 farms in more than 100 countries. they found meat—free diets used less land, caused less water pollution, and had a smaller impact on biodiversity. 0ur science correspondent pallab ghosh explains why. the big meaty diets of 100 grams or more or a day like thisjuicy burger result in ten kilograms of c02. if you have your meat intake to 50 grams, the c02 levels are also high to five given him today. if you wreck completely plant —based burger

is down to 2.5. santa say you don't have to become a vegan to save the planet, simply cutting back on it can have a huge effect. if planet, simply cutting back on it can have a huge effect. if everyone in the uk is — can have a huge effect. if everyone in the uk is a _ can have a huge effect. if everyone in the uk is a high _ can have a huge effect. if everyone in the uk is a high meat _ can have a huge effect. if everyone in the uk is a high meat eater, - can have a huge effect. if everyone l in the uk is a high meat eater, move down _ in the uk is a high meat eater, move down and _ in the uk is a high meat eater, move down and reduce the amount of meat, it would _ down and reduce the amount of meat, it would reduce, taking about a decent — it would reduce, taking about a decent amount of cars off the road. apple has threatened to remove services such as facetime and imessage from the uk if new government proposals are made law. ministers want tech firms to have all new security features cleared with the home office before they are released to the public. the tech giant says it won't weaken the security of its messaging services. finally an edinburgh home owner has won her battle to keep her front door — pink. miranda dickson was ordered to change the colour last year after she painted it bright pink as planners argued it did not meet the standards of a listed property in a world heritage site. she repainted it green but after further complaints it was changed again to an "off white" shade of pink. that colour sparked another

complaint but she has now received approvalfrom officials. so a reminder of the main news. votes are being counted in three by—elections in england. 0ur colleagues on the bbc news website and app have a live page up and running ahead of the declarations and they will bring you all the results live. i will be back with news updates during the night, but now it's time to joinjo coburn for our by—election special. three by—elections, three very different constituencies more with one thing in common, the stakes for all the parties are high. welcome to this bbc news by—election results programme with me, jo coburn. thank you forjoining us for what will be a fascinating night. for the first time in 11 years we have had three westminster

byelections on the same day. all the seats are currently in conservative hands but can they hold on in the face of strong challenges from both labour and the liberal democrats? we have a great selection of guests to you informed and entertained for the results to come in. we have reporters at selby and ainsty in north yorkshire somerton frome in somerset, and uxbridge and south ruislip in north west london. we will hearfrom them ruislip in north west london. we will hear from them in a will hearfrom them in a moment. plus, we will be getting analysis here in westminster from professor sirjohn curtis foster will be in the studio is our panel. stephen hammond, thank debonair. natasha clark, chief political correspondent to the sun newspaper and the daily mail political editorjohn stevens. in a moment we will collect all three counts but before we do, let's get an opening port from our

politicians. conservatives are gloomy about the prospects of tonight, the polling says you could lose all three. how much pressure would rishi sunak be under attack turns out to be case? i would rishi sunak be under attack turns out to be case?— turns out to be case? i think if i'm honest, clearly _ turns out to be case? i think if i'm honest, clearly the _ turns out to be case? i think if i'm honest, clearly the backdrop - turns out to be case? i think if i'm honest, clearly the backdrop to i honest, clearly the backdrop to these byelections has been a truly difficult and nobody is trying to pretend anything other than that. but what has happened is we have fought these byelections very hard, we have been putting the case out there, i want to thank the activists who have been doing that, i think the priorities, we have got the right, we're not talking about a general election tonight, it's very rare for a government to win by—elections in this period of time, so let's see how the night goes. they are byelections by three in one day, results overnight, it will be an indicator certainly of the state of the parties. we are hoping to win in both, the london seat of uxbridge and south ruislip and in north yorkshire, which is the greatest challenge? i

yorkshire, which is the greatest challenge?— challenge? i think all three are ureat challenge? i think all three are great challenges _ challenge? i think all three are great challenges and _ challenge? i think all three are great challenges and we - challenge? i think all three are great challenges and we have i challenge? i think all three are - great challenges and we have never held any— great challenges and we have never held any of— great challenges and we have never held any of them and i think that says something that we are even discussing — says something that we are even discussing the fact we are in contention. we have worked really hard, _ contention. we have worked really hard, activists have come from all of the _ hard, activists have come from all of the country to join the campaign, we have _ of the country to join the campaign, we have brilliant candidates and i would _ we have brilliant candidates and i would like — we have brilliant candidates and i would like to say thank you to all of them — would like to say thank you to all of them and our fantastic staff as well _ of them and our fantastic staff as well it_ of them and our fantastic staff as well. it will be an interesting night, — well. it will be an interesting night, it— well. it will be an interesting night, it will take a big swing to win selhy~ _ night, it will take a big swing to win selb . , , ~ win selby. the biggest, i think. let's see what _ win selby. the biggest, i think. let's see what happens. - win selby. the biggest, i think. let's see what happens. but. win selby. the biggest, i think. | let's see what happens. but it's been a really exciting campaign where we have been able to show the voters in all three of these constituencies, voters are telling us they felt really let down by the tories. you are already smiling, is that because you're confident about winning somerset in somerton and frome? ., ., , ., ., frome? not only have we overturned the conservative _ frome? not only have we overturned the conservative majority _ frome? not only have we overturned the conservative majority of - frome? not only have we overturned the conservative majority of 19,000, i the conservative majority of 19,000, i the conservative majority of 19,000, i believe _ the conservative majority of 19,000, i believe we — the conservative majority of 19,000, i believe we have _ the conservative majority of 19,000, i believe we have smashed _ the conservative majority of19,000, i believe we have smashed it- the conservative majority of 19,000, i believe we have smashed it to - i believe we have smashed it to pieces— i believe we have smashed it to pieces and _ i believe we have smashed it to pieces and the _ i believe we have smashed it to pieces and the tory— i believe we have smashed it to pieces and the tory vote - i believe we have smashed it to pieces and the tory vote is - i believe we have smashed it to pieces and the tory vote is in l pieces and the tory vote is in freefall _ pieces and the tory vote is in freefall. but— pieces and the tory vote is in freefall. but across _ pieces and the tory vote is in freefall. but across the - pieces and the tory vote is in l freefall. but across the country pieces and the tory vote is in - freefall. but across the country are telling _ freefall. but across the country are telling us _ freefall. but across the country are telling us they— freefall. but across the country are telling us they feel _ freefall. but across the country are telling us they feel let _ freefall. but across the country are telling us they feel let down, - freefall. but across the country are| telling us they feel let down, taken for granted —

telling us they feel let down, taken for granted by— telling us they feel let down, taken for granted by the _ telling us they feel let down, taken for granted by the conservatives, l for granted by the conservatives, who want — for granted by the conservatives, who want to _ for granted by the conservatives, who want to see _ for granted by the conservatives, who want to see the _ for granted by the conservatives, who want to see the back - for granted by the conservatives, who want to see the back of - for granted by the conservatives, who want to see the back of thisl who want to see the back of this government— who want to see the back of this government and _ who want to see the back of this government and i— who want to see the back of this government and i think - who want to see the back of this government and i think the - who want to see the back of this i government and i think the voters who want to see the back of this - government and i think the voters of somerton— government and i think the voters of somerton and — government and i think the voters of somerton and frome _ government and i think the voters of somerton and frome are _ government and i think the voters of somerton and frome are sending - somerton and frome are sending a message _ somerton and frome are sending a message in— somerton and frome are sending a message in behalf— somerton and frome are sending a message in behalf of— somerton and frome are sending a message in behalf of the _ somerton and frome are sending a message in behalf of the country. message in behalf of the country tonight— message in behalf of the country tonight to — message in behalf of the country tonight to rishi _ message in behalf of the country tonight to rishi sunak _ message in behalf of the country tonight to rishi sunak and - message in behalf of the country tonight to rishi sunak and he - message in behalf of the country. tonight to rishi sunak and he could be tonight to rishi sunak and he could he the _ tonight to rishi sunak and he could he the first— tonight to rishi sunak and he could be the first conservative _ tonight to rishi sunak and he could be the first conservative prime - be the first conservative prime minister— be the first conservative prime minister in _ be the first conservative prime minister in history— be the first conservative prime minister in history to _ be the first conservative prime minister in history to lose - be the first conservative primel minister in history to lose three try-elections— minister in history to lose three by—elections in— minister in history to lose three by—elections in one _ minister in history to lose three by—elections in one night. - minister in history to lose three by—elections in one night. lastl minister in history to lose three by-elections in one night. last time it happened — by-elections in one night. last time it happened was _ by-elections in one night. last time it happened was in 1968 _ by-elections in one night. last time it happened was in 1968 and - by-elections in one night. last time it happened was in 1968 and the - it happened was in 1968 and the wilson government and then the tories did go on to win the next election in 1970. but we will get into all of those issues throughout the night because we have plenty of time. in a moment, we will go to one of the counts but first let's remind ourselves how we got here. these byelections were triggered by the resignations of three conservative mps last month. first, borisjohnson. conservative mps last month. first, ihorisjohnson-_ boris johnson. there was no party, no cover macro _ boris johnson. there was no party, no cover macro rules _ boris johnson. there was no party, no cover macro rules were - boris johnson. there was no party, no cover macro rules were broken. | no cover macro rules were broken. the privileges committee will decide whether— the privileges committee will decide whether or not mrjohnson misled the house _ whether or not mrjohnson misled the house of— whether or not mrjohnson misled the house of commons. when _ house of commons. when he found out he would likely be getting a lengthy suspension for lying to mps, he waved goodbye to parliament. �* ., . lying to mps, he waved goodbye to parliament-—

parliament. boris johnson is going to stand down _ parliament. boris johnson is going to stand down as _ parliament. boris johnson is going to stand down as an _ parliament. boris johnson is going to stand down as an mp. - parliament. boris johnson is going to stand down as an mp. then, . parliament. boris johnson is going | to stand down as an mp. then, the next day- -- — to stand down as an mp. then, the next day... another _ to stand down as an mp. then, the next day... another conservative l to stand down as an mp. then, the i next day... another conservative mp has announced _ next day... another conservative mp has announced that _ next day... another conservative mp has announced that he _ next day... another conservative mp has announced that he is _ next day... another conservative mp has announced that he is resigning. l has announced that he is resigning. nigel— has announced that he is resigning. nigel adams quit after a row about whether he was going to be given a peerage. then a third. the conservative _ peerage. then a third. the conservative mp _ peerage. then a third. tue: conservative mp david peerage. then a third. t'ts: conservative mp david warburton peerage. then a third. tts: conservative mp david warburton says he is resigning his seat. he conservative mp david warburton says he is resigning his seat.— he is resigning his seat. he had been suspended _ he is resigning his seat. he had been suspended last _ he is resigning his seat. he had been suspended last year - he is resigning his seat. he had been suspended last year after| been suspended last year after allegations of misconduct. he has since admitted taking drugs but an investigation into sexual harassment claims has been dropped. labour and the lib dems have made winning byelections a recent habit. with a general election looming nature, trouble loss for the conservatives will be seen as a warning time of tricky times for rishi sunak. a whistle—stop tour of the high drama recently at westminster. let's go to the coat and a moment we will hearfrom my colleagues in north yorkshire and somerset but before

that, our correspondent in uxbridge and south ruislip. sean, the counting has begun in earnest? tt counting has begun in earnest? tit certainly has. good morning to you and your guests in the studio. we are at a sports centre in hillingdon. we are on the very edge of london, to the west, close to the chiltern hills, this is the old better than that sirjohn betjeman wrote so eloquently about, that error that was developed thanks to the coming of the london underground, the metropolitan line, which stretches out into the constituency of uxbridge and south ruislip, which is part of the london borough of hillingdon. the constituency is a bit younger than it used to be, a reflection of the fact that many workers have moved out here, particularly after the covid pandemic, the opportunity to work from home. it is made up of really more leafy villages, small towns and then uxbridge itself, not really tower block territory. tory territory, borisjohnson's majority

of more than 7000 at the last election. the counting has been going on for about 20 minutes. they have set up a single snaking s—shaped layout with 107 counters diligently working through the votes. i have to say, we have 17 candidates, one or two very prominent figures here tonight. laurence fox, the actorfor the reclaim party. piers corbyn, the brother ofjeremy corbyn, is also a candidate for a smaller party during this contest. we are going with 17 candidates in all, we are going to face a very long night. it might not be resolved until three o'clock which is why i have come prepared. i'm surejenny kumah is also prepared down in somerset and through. prepared down in somerset and throu~h. . _, prepared down in somerset and throu~h. ~ _, ., prepared down in somerset and throu~h. . .., ., a, prepared down in somerset and throu~h. . ., ., through. welcome to the bath and west showground. _ through. welcome to the bath and west showground. we _ through. welcome to the bath and west showground. we are - through. welcome to the bath and west showground. we are in - through. welcome to the bath and west showground. we are in a - west showground. we are in a building — west showground. we are in a building called the showering

pavilion, a building that is normally used to rate animals but tonight— normally used to rate animals but tonight it's — normally used to rate animals but tonight it's here for very different kind of— tonight it's here for very different kind of contest. this is a large rural— kind of contest. this is a large rural constituency. the last ballot box arrived — rural constituency. the last ballot box arrived about ten minutes before we came _ box arrived about ten minutes before we came on— box arrived about ten minutes before we came on air stop around 100 people — we came on air stop around 100 people will be counting. they have gone _ people will be counting. they have gone for _ people will be counting. they have gone for a — people will be counting. they have gone for a break now but in the middle — gone for a break now but in the middle you can see all the votes have been— middle you can see all the votes have been verified and they are there _ have been verified and they are there now— have been verified and they are there now ready to be counted. we are expecting a result at around 4am _ are expecting a result at around 4am in — are expecting a result at around 4am. in terms of the main runners and riders. — 4am. in terms of the main runners and riders, there are eight candidates but this is really a contest — candidates but this is really a contest between the conservatives and the _ contest between the conservatives and the lib dems. i huge conservative jaunty to overturn here _ conservative jaunty to overturn here. 19,000 was the majority of the former— here. 19,000 was the majority of the former conservative mp for the liberal— former conservative mp for the liberal democrats are very confident tonight _ liberal democrats are very confident tonight in— liberal democrats are very confident tonight. in fact one source has told me, tonight. in fact one source has told me. we _ tonight. in fact one source has told me, we have not yet won, we have romped _ me, we have not yet won, we have romped home. the conservative boat is in freefall — romped home. the conservative boat is in freefall. in contrast to the conservatives here have been very muted. _ conservatives here have been very muted, they say it is far too early

to respond — muted, they say it is far too early to respond to that. this area has traditionally flitted between conservatives and the lib dems. the last lib _ conservatives and the lib dems. the last lib dem — conservatives and the lib dems. the last lib dem mp was david heath, he lost his— last lib dem mp was david heath, he lost his seat in the 2015 general election— lost his seat in the 2015 general election when many lib dems lost their seats — election when many lib dems lost their seats after years of the coalition _ their seats after years of the coalition government. across the south—west, the lib dems were wiped out but _ south—west, the lib dems were wiped out but in _ south—west, the lib dems were wiped out but in recent years there have been _ out but in recent years there have been signs— out but in recent years there have been signs of recovery. there was that win _ been signs of recovery. there was that win last year, the lib dems took— that win last year, the lib dems took control of what was a conservative council, also there was that seismic — conservative council, also there was that seismic by—election win in devon— that seismic by—election win in devon when they overturned a majority — devon when they overturned a majority of 24,000 in tiverton and honiton _ majority of 24,000 in tiverton and honiton. the lib dems confident they can produce _ honiton. the lib dems confident they can produce a similar performance tonight _ can produce a similar performance tonight so — can produce a similar performance tonight. so that's the picture here. now to _ tonight. so that's the picture here. now to my— tonight. so that's the picture here. now to my colleague david wallace lockhart _ now to my colleague david wallace lockhart in selby.— now to my colleague david wallace lockhart in selby. welcome to selby leisure centre _ lockhart in selby. welcome to selby leisure centre where _ lockhart in selby. welcome to selby leisure centre where the _ lockhart in selby. welcome to selby leisure centre where the count - lockhart in selby. welcome to selby leisure centre where the count for. leisure centre where the count for the north yorkshire seat of selby

and ainsty is taking place. a 20,000 plus majority, that's what the conservatives are defending here tonight. it is labour who are looking to take the seat. both sides are saying at this point that things are saying at this point that things are looking close. if labour were to win, that would represent the biggest majority they have ever managed to overturn in a by—election, so potentially something historic, and something you would think would suggest that sir keir starmer is doing something right in terms of winning seats that may see him get a downing street at some point. in a general election, labour could actually win a majority without even winning in seats like this. it is not a key target for them. if the conservatives do manage to hold on here, that would enable rishi sunak to avoid an embarrassing defeat in a seat not far from his own north yorkshire constituency. there are 13 candidates on the ballot paper here, it is a rural

constituency, some of the votes have had to travel some distance to get here to the count. the last boxes arriving in the last 20 minutes, half an hour or so. counting is under way. those two factors combined, big rural constituency, lots of candidates could mean we are in for quite a long night of counting. thank you very much, david. we have coffee already stacked up in front of us. that is the scene at the three counts at this point of the night. they make it an opening thought from ourjournalists. thought from our journalists. natasha, thought from ourjournalists. natasha, what headline do you think we will be writing at the end? that we will be writing at the end? fat the moment is a very mixed picture with because we have three really different contest —— my constituencies that will be interesting, it will give everyone a chance to say we have one, we have lost apart from the conservatives if they don't hold onto any of them in with cases of bad night for rishi sunak. it's already peaked and that the conservatives are going to do probably not so well tonight so it's all about what keir starmer and how

much the majority of the swing, how much the majority of the swing, how much the majority of the swing, how much the vote share increases. t much the vote share increases. i think that the tories end up losing all three _ think that the tories end up losing all three seats, you cannot get away from it. _ all three seats, you cannot get away from it. it _ all three seats, you cannot get away from it. it is— all three seats, you cannot get away from it, it is a tory bloodbath. rishi _ from it, it is a tory bloodbath. rishi sunak took over nine months ago. _ rishi sunak took over nine months ago. had _ rishi sunak took over nine months ago. had to— rishi sunak took over nine months ago, had to turn things around, things— ago, had to turn things around, things are — ago, had to turn things around, things are getting worse and worse and clearly the message you will hear from — and clearly the message you will hear from the labour side is over and over— hear from the labour side is over and over if— hear from the labour side is over and over if they manage to win the seat in _ and over if they manage to win the seat in selby as we are in a way to downing _ seat in selby as we are in a way to downing street, we are underway to getting _ downing street, we are underway to getting a majority. i�*m downing street, we are underway to getting a majority-— getting a ma'ority. i'm delighted to sa that getting a majority. i'm delighted to say that professor _ getting a majority. i'm delighted to say that professor sir _ getting a majority. i'm delighted to say that professor sirjohn - getting a majority. i'm delighted to say that professor sirjohn curtis i say that professor sirjohn curtis from strathclyde university will be with us through the night from our newsroom in westminster. a bit of a scene setter, how big and it is this politically? it’s scene setter, how big and it is this oliticall ? �*. . scene setter, how big and it is this oliticall ? �* , ., ., politically? it's an important niaht, politically? it's an important night, because _ politically? it's an important night, because as _ politically? it's an important night, because as you - politically? it's an important night, because as you have l politically? it's an important - night, because as you have pointed out it— night, because as you have pointed out it is— night, because as you have pointed out it is over— night, because as you have pointed out it is over ten _ night, because as you have pointed out it is over ten years— night, because as you have pointed out it is over ten years since - night, because as you have pointed out it is over ten years since we - out it is over ten years since we have _ out it is over ten years since we have had — out it is over ten years since we have had three _ out it is over ten years since we have had three by—elections- out it is over ten years since we have had three by—elections on| out it is over ten years since we . have had three by—elections on the same _ have had three by—elections on the same day— have had three by—elections on the same day but — have had three by—elections on the same day but they— have had three by—elections on the same day but they are _ have had three by—elections on the same day but they are taking - have had three by—elections on the same day but they are taking placei same day but they are taking place at a time _ same day but they are taking place at a time when _ same day but they are taking place at a time when the _ same day but they are taking place at a time when the government. same day but they are taking place at a time when the government isl same day but they are taking placei at a time when the government is a lon- at a time when the government is a long way— at a time when the government is a long way behind _ at a time when the government is a long way behind labour— at a time when the government is a long way behind labour in- at a time when the government is a long way behind labour in the - at a time when the government is al long way behind labour in the polls, 18 points _

long way behind labour in the polls, 18 points behind, _ long way behind labour in the polls, 18 points behind, and _ long way behind labour in the polls, 18 points behind, and when - long way behind labour in the polls, 18 points behind, and when the - 18 points behind, and when the progress — 18 points behind, and when the progress that _ 18 points behind, and when the progress that the _ 18 points behind, and when the progress that the party- 18 points behind, and when the - progress that the party had seemed to be making — progress that the party had seemed to be making in— progress that the party had seemed to be making in perhaps— progress that the party had seemed to be making in perhaps beginning. progress that the party had seemed i to be making in perhaps beginning to narrow— to be making in perhaps beginning to narrow that _ to be making in perhaps beginning to narrow that leads _ to be making in perhaps beginning to narrow that leads a _ to be making in perhaps beginning to narrow that leads a bit, _ to be making in perhaps beginning to narrow that leads a bit, a _ to be making in perhaps beginning to narrow that leads a bit, a lead - to be making in perhaps beginning to narrow that leads a bit, a lead that l narrow that leads a bit, a lead that was essentially— narrow that leads a bit, a lead that was essentially a _ narrow that leads a bit, a lead that was essentially a consequence - narrow that leads a bit, a lead that was essentially a consequence of l narrow that leads a bit, a lead that l was essentially a consequence of the demise _ was essentially a consequence of the demise of— was essentially a consequence of the demise of the — was essentially a consequence of the demise of the liz— was essentially a consequence of the demise of the liz truss _ demise of the liz truss administration, - demise of the liz truss administration, but - demise of the liz truss i administration, but that demise of the liz truss - administration, but that progress has seemed _ administration, but that progress has seemed to _ administration, but that progress has seemed to be _ has seemed to be stalled and if anything — has seemed to be stalled and if anything had _ has seemed to be stalled and if anything had gone _ has seemed to be stalled and if anything had gone backwards . has seemed to be stalled and if anything had gone backwards a| has seemed to be stalled and if- anything had gone backwards a bit. so we _ anything had gone backwards a bit. so we are _ anything had gone backwards a bit. so we are therefore _ anything had gone backwards a bit. so we are therefore looking - anything had gone backwards a bit. so we are therefore looking for - so we are therefore looking for evidence — so we are therefore looking for evidence that _ so we are therefore looking for evidence that what _ so we are therefore looking for evidence that what the - so we are therefore looking for evidence that what the opinion| so we are therefore looking for - evidence that what the opinion polls are telling _ evidence that what the opinion polls are telling us. — evidence that what the opinion polls are telling us, which— evidence that what the opinion polls are telling us, which is— evidence that what the opinion polls are telling us, which is that - evidence that what the opinion polls are telling us, which is that labour. are telling us, which is that labour at the _ are telling us, which is that labour at the moment— are telling us, which is that labour at the moment are _ are telling us, which is that labour at the moment are so _ are telling us, which is that labour at the moment are so far- are telling us, which is that labour at the moment are so far ahead, l are telling us, which is that labour. at the moment are so far ahead, they look as— at the moment are so far ahead, they look as though — at the moment are so far ahead, they look as though they— at the moment are so far ahead, they look as though they are _ at the moment are so far ahead, they look as though they are likely- at the moment are so far ahead, they look as though they are likely to - look as though they are likely to win the — look as though they are likely to win the general— look as though they are likely to win the general election, - look as though they are likely to win the general election, but. look as though they are likely to | win the general election, but are those _ win the general election, but are those figures _ win the general election, but are those figures being _ win the general election, but are those figures being replicated i win the general election, but are those figures being replicated in| those figures being replicated in the performance _ those figures being replicated in the performance in _ those figures being replicated in the performance in these - the performance in these byelections? _ the performance in these byelections? are - the performance in these byelections? are we - the performance in these - byelections? are we perhaps, the performance in these _ byelections? are we perhaps, perhaps looking _ byelections? are we perhaps, perhaps looking at— byelections? are we perhaps, perhaps looking at the — byelections? are we perhaps, perhaps looking at the prospect _ byelections? are we perhaps, perhaps looking at the prospect of _ byelections? are we perhaps, perhaps looking at the prospect of a _ looking at the prospect of a change of government _ looking at the prospect of a change of government at _ looking at the prospect of a change of government at the _ looking at the prospect of a change of government at the next - looking at the prospect of a change of government at the next generall of government at the next general election _ of government at the next general election. ~ ,. ,, ., election. will discuss that throughout _ election. will discuss that throughout the _ election. will discuss that throughout the night. - election. will discuss that. throughout the night. let's election. will discuss that - throughout the night. let'sjust show our viewers the majorities conservatives are defending from 2019. uxbridge and south ruislip, where borisjohnson was the mp, just over 7000. where borisjohnson was the mp, just

over7000. somerton where borisjohnson was the mp, just over 7000. somerton and fromejust over 7000. somerton and fromejust over 19,000. over 7000. somerton and fromejust over19,000. in north over 7000. somerton and fromejust over 19,000. in north yorkshire, selby and ainsty, just over 20,000. make sense of that for us in context, john. 0ne one way is to remind ourselves that the 18 point lead labour have in the opinion polls is the equivalent of a 15% swing from conservative to labour. in uxbridge and south ruislip, the swing required for labour to win is only 7.5%, in other words, half the national swing. even allowing for local factors, this words, half the national swing. even allowing for localfactors, this is allowing for localfactors, this is a seat labour made relative progress in 2015, 2017, 2019, compared with national performance, the row about the low emissions zone... even so, it is frankly a constituency labour should win. a constituency on everybody�*s list of seats labour

should be winning if they were going to win a majority at the next general election. in contrast, the other contest where labour are the principal challenges to the conservatives, selby in north yorkshire, it's very different. it is more than the national swing in the polls, although not that much more, 18%. it is certainly true labour have never overturned a majority of the size the conservatives currently have in selby, although it is the case in the 92-97 selby, although it is the case in the 92—97 parliament, labour did secure swings of more than 18% on a couple of occasions, including dudley west in 1994, a 29% swing from the conservatives. so the swing required for labour to win in selby is substantial but not unprecedented. somerton and frome, a different beast. labour have not been second in this area since 1970,

but the lib dems held it between 1997, and 2015. they have long anticipated a by—election here so they have been campaigning for a long time. given the circumstances and given the swing required of around 15% is less than the party achieved in tiverton and honiton not far away or their other two by—election gains in this parliament, although we have had no polls, the lib dems might succeed in picking it up. taste polls, the lib dems might succeed in picking it up— picking it up. we will come back to ou picking it up. we will come back to you shortly- _ picking it up. we will come back to you shortly. let's _ picking it up. we will come back to you shortly. let's pick _ picking it up. we will come back to you shortly. let's pick up - picking it up. we will come back to you shortly. let's pick up on - you shortly. let's pick up on some of the issues with the panel. first of the issues with the panel. first of all, the labour swings necessary. uxbridge and south ruislip, asjohn was saying, 7.5% required. 0n uxbridge and south ruislip, asjohn was saying, 7.5% required. on paper, that looks very doable. selby and ainsty, much more tricky, 17.9%. as

john curtis was saying, that would be a historic swing. we can see some of the recent by—elections labour have held and won, and you can see the highest they have made in terms of a swing is 13.6%. if they win that, that really will be a sign, certainly of success tonight in terms of by—elections, we will discuss what it means in terms of a general election. let's have a look at somerton and frome and the liberal democrat swing there and what is required. you can say it would need a 14.8% swing, still pretty sizeable, but we have already heard from munira wilson, the liberal democrat mp, that she is pretty confident they have smashed that. perhaps not surprising because if we look at some of the recent swings in by—elections from the lib dems, the swings have been up to 34.2%, so 14.8% shouldn't be that difficult for them. how are you

feeling at the moment, having listened to all of that, stephen? much the same as about 20 minutes ago! this is going to be a difficult night. we have fought hard in these by—elections, i have been on the ground in uxbridge most of the day and what i hear from a lot of voters, they were going out today, there was not any enthusiasm for keir starmer on the doorsteps... but keir starmer on the doorsteps. .. but the are keir starmer on the doorsteps... but they are fed up with the conservatives?- they are fed up with the conservatives? ., ., , , , ., conservatives? no, no surprise to me, and conservatives? no, no surprise to me. and l — conservatives? no, no surprise to me. and l have — conservatives? no, no surprise to me, and i have done _ conservatives? no, no surprise to me, and i have done some - conservatives? no, no surprise to me, and i have done some of- conservatives? no, no surprise to l me, and i have done some of those other by—elections and people say, we are not going to give you a chance this time because it is a by—election not a general election, but on the doorsteps today they were going out and voting. lanthem but on the doorsteps today they were going out and voting.— going out and voting. when rishi sunak made _ going out and voting. when rishi sunak made his _ going out and voting. when rishi sunak made his five _ going out and voting. when rishi sunak made his five pledges, - going out and voting. when rishi sunak made his five pledges, he| going out and voting. when rishi - sunak made his five pledges, he said he was going to turn things around and set a different standard for the conservatives. 0n the basis of all of the polling, hejust conservatives. 0n the basis of all of the polling, he just hasn't managed it, has he? it’s of the polling, he just hasn't managed it, has he? it's very, very earl , he managed it, has he? it's very, very early. he made _ managed it, has he? it's very, very early, he made the _ managed it, has he? it's very, very early, he made the pledge - managed it, has he? it's very, very early, he made the pledge is - managed it, has he? it's very, very early, he made the pledge is six i early, he made the pledge is six months ago. we have already seen this week better than expected news

on inflation. ., ., ., on inflation. nowhere near halving it. hold on. _ on inflation. nowhere near halving it. hold on. he _ on inflation. nowhere near halving it. hold on, he was _ on inflation. nowhere near halving it. hold on, he was going - on inflation. nowhere near halving it. hold on, he was going to i on inflation. nowhere near halving it. hold on, he was going to do i on inflation. nowhere near halving | it. hold on, he was going to do that b the it. hold on, he was going to do that by the end — it. hold on, he was going to do that by the end of— it. hold on, he was going to do that by the end of the year. _ it. hold on, he was going to do that by the end of the year. he - it. hold on, he was going to do that by the end of the year. he has i it. hold on, he was going to do that| by the end of the year. he has made a big step forward on his promise this week. so you are starting to see him delivering, and over the next few months, the conservative party needs to focus on those pledges, because that is what people want to see. people know that rishi sunak is a minister they can trust. the problem for labour, thangam, there just isn't overwhelming enthusiasm for keir starmer himself. his personal approval ratings say as much. in terms of what people say on the doorstep, they may want to give the doorstep, they may want to give the tories a good kicking, but they are still not in love with labour. let think where we have come from. since _ let think where we have come from. since the _ let think where we have come from. since the 2090 general election, which _ since the 2090 general election, which are — since the 2090 general election, which are to be honest was not good for us. _ which are to be honest was not good for us. keir— which are to be honest was not good for us, keirstarmer which are to be honest was not good for us, keir starmer has turned the party— for us, keir starmer has turned the party around. we are getting a hearing —

party around. we are getting a hearing from the british people. when _ hearing from the british people. when i — hearing from the british people. when i have been knocking on the doors. _ when i have been knocking on the doors. they— when i have been knocking on the doors, they are fed up with stephen's party, they know they have been let _ stephen's party, they know they have been let down and they know the impact _ been let down and they know the impact of— been let down and they know the impact of last year's terrible tory budget. — impact of last year's terrible tory budget, and rishi sunak hannah distance — budget, and rishi sunak hannah distance himself from that when mortgages and rent is going up. —— rishi _ mortgages and rent is going up. —— rishi sunak— mortgages and rent is going up. —— rishi sunak cannot distance himself. food inflation is in the teens, the people _ food inflation is in the teens, the people on— food inflation is in the teens, the people on modest means it is causing problems. _ people on modest means it is causing problems. the pressure they are under. _ problems. the pressure they are under. it— problems. the pressure they are under. it is— problems. the pressure they are under, it is no wonder they are fed up under, it is no wonder they are fed up with— under, it is no wonder they are fed up with the — under, it is no wonder they are fed up with the tories who are not offering — up with the tories who are not offering a _ up with the tories who are not offering a solution. i noticed as well— offering a solution. i noticed as well that— offering a solution. i noticed as well that rishi sunak wrote a letter to the _ well that rishi sunak wrote a letter to the voters of selby and ainsty saying. — to the voters of selby and ainsty saying, let's turn the page on the chaos. _ saying, let's turn the page on the chaos. his — saying, let's turn the page on the chaos. his chaos was it? it was tory chaos. _ chaos. his chaos was it? it was tory chaos. the — chaos. his chaos was it? it was tory chaos. the last year has been an absolute — chaos. the last year has been an absolute circus.— chaos. the last year has been an absolute circus. suggesting there has not absolute circus. suggesting there has rrot been _ absolute circus. suggesting there has not been a _ absolute circus. suggesting there has not been a war— absolute circus. suggesting there has not been a war in _ absolute circus. suggesting there has not been a war in ukraine? . absolute circus. suggesting there i has not been a war in ukraine? are we suggesting...? just has not been a war in ukraine? are we suggesting. . . ?_ we suggesting. . . ? just that there has been chaos. _ we suggesting. . . ? just that there has been chaos. your _ we suggesting. . . ? just that there has been chaos. your budget... l

we suggesting. . . ? just that there i has been chaos. your budget... the key reason — has been chaos. your budget... the key reason we _ has been chaos. your budget... t'ts: key reason we have has been chaos. your budget... tts: key reason we have inflation on this country is external factors. bind country is external factors. and the liz truss budget _ country is external factors. and the liz truss budget did _ country is external factors. and the liz truss budget did nothing? i country is external factors. and the liz truss budget did nothing? the | liz truss budget did nothing? the whole liz truss budget did nothing? whole point liz truss budget did nothing? tts: whole point was that if you look across the countries of europe, inflation numbers are very similar. and so ijust say, yes, of course there is inflation, and of course we understand people have problems and are feeling quite rightly, they are feeling real pain... who are feeling quite rightly, they are feeling real pain...— feeling real pain... who do they blame if the _ feeling real pain... who do they blame if the conservatives i feeling real pain... who do they blame if the conservatives have i feeling real pain... who do they i blame if the conservatives have been in power for blame if the conservatives have been in powerfor 13 blame if the conservatives have been in power for 13 years?— in power for13 years? well, of course, in power for13 years? well, of course. at _ in power for13 years? well, of course, at the _ in power for13 years? well, of course, at the moment - in power for13 years? well, of course, at the moment we i in power for13 years? well, of course, at the moment we are i in power for 13 years? well, of i course, at the moment we are the focus, but that is why rishi sunak�*s priority is to reduce inflation, which is the cost of living, and bringing that down is the key to the future, if we make those promises, people can start to have trust. stephen you make those comparisons with other— stephen you make those comparisons with other countries and you know that across — with other countries and you know that across europe, yes, there may be inflation — that across europe, yes, there may be inflation but mortgages have not shot up— be inflation but mortgages have not shot up in— be inflation but mortgages have not shot up in the way they have in this country. _ shot up in the way they have in this country. tide— shot up in the way they have in this count . ~ ., ., ., ., ., ., country. we are going to have a lot of... let country. we are going to have a lot of- -- let me _ country. we are going to have a lot

of... let me just _ country. we are going to have a lot of... let me just briefly _ country. we are going to have a lot of... let me just briefly go - country. we are going to have a lot of... let me just briefly go to i of... let me just briefly go to munira. you are very confident, you think you have romped home in somerton and frome, but nationally, the liberal democrats are still polling at around 11%. the issue with the national— polling at around 11%. the issue with the national polls - polling at around 11%. the issue with the national polls is - polling at around 11%. the issue with the national polls is they . with the national polls is they don't — with the national polls is they don't pick— with the national polls is they don't pick up _ with the national polls is they don't pick up our— with the national polls is they don't pick up our strength i with the national polls is they don't pick up our strength in. don't pick up our strength in certain— don't pick up our strength in certain areas— don't pick up our strength in certain areas on _ don't pick up our strength in certain areas on the - don't pick up our strength ini certain areas on the ground. don't pick up our strength in- certain areas on the ground. we are a smaller— certain areas on the ground. we are a smaller party. _ certain areas on the ground. we are a smaller party, we _ certain areas on the ground. we are a smaller party, we target - certain areas on the ground. we are a smaller party, we target certain. a smaller party, we target certain constituencies. _ a smaller party, we target certain constituencies.— constituencies. absolutely. stephen's _ constituencies. absolutely. stephen's constituency i constituencies. absolutely. stephen's constituency in l constituencies. absolutely. _ stephen's constituency in wimbledon, only 628— stephen's constituency in wimbledon, only 628 votes — stephen's constituency in wimbledon, only 628 votes behind, the _ stephen's constituency in wimbledon, only 628 votes behind, the polling i only 628 votes behind, the polling would _ only 628 votes behind, the polling would look — only 628 votes behind, the polling would look quite _ only 628 votes behind, the polling would look quite different - only 628 votes behind, the polling would look quite different there i would look quite different there than on — would look quite different there than on a — would look quite different there than on a national— would look quite different there than on a national scale. - would look quite different there than on a national scale. we i than on a national scale. we have target _ than on a national scale. we have target seats — than on a national scale. we have target seats and _ than on a national scale. we have target seats and we _ than on a national scale. we have target seats and we are _ than on a national scale. we have i target seats and we are working hard on the _ target seats and we are working hard on the ground. — target seats and we are working hard on the ground. so— target seats and we are working hard on the ground, so what you - target seats and we are working hard on the ground, so what you see i target seats and we are working hard on the ground, so what you see in i on the ground, so what you see in these _ on the ground, so what you see in these by—elections_ on the ground, so what you see in these by—elections where - on the ground, so what you see in these by—elections where we i on the ground, so what you see ini these by—elections where we have these _ these by—elections where we have these massive _ these by—elections where we have these massive swings— these by—elections where we have these massive swings is, - these by—elections where we have these massive swings is, where i these massive swings is, where we are focused. — these massive swings is, where we are focused. we _ these massive swings is, where we are focused, we are _ these massive swings is, where we are focused, we are winning - these massive swings is, where we are focused, we are winning votes, because _ are focused, we are winning votes, because they — are focused, we are winning votes, because they are _ are focused, we are winning votes, because they are areas _ are focused, we are winning votes, because they are areas where, i because they are areas where, frankly. — because they are areas where, frankly, labour— because they are areas where, frankly, labour cannot - because they are areas where, frankly, labour cannot win i because they are areas where, frankly, labour cannot win and because they are areas where, i frankly, labour cannot win and they are fed _ frankly, labour cannot win and they are fed up _ frankly, labour cannot win and they are fed up with— frankly, labour cannot win and they are fed up with the _ frankly, labour cannot win and they are fed up with the conservatives i are fed up with the conservatives taking _ are fed up with the conservatives taking them _ are fed up with the conservatives taking them for— are fed up with the conservatives taking them for granted. - are fed up with the conservatives taking them for granted. they. taking them for granted. they say brilliant _ taking them for granted. they say brilliant lib— taking them for granted. they say brilliant lib dems _ taking them for granted. they say brilliant lib dems candidates i taking them for granted. they say brilliant lib dems candidates like i brilliant lib dems candidates like sarah _ brilliant lib dems candidates like sarah dyke. _ brilliant lib dems candidates like sarah dyke, from _ brilliant lib dems candidates like sarah dyke, from a _ brilliant lib dems candidates like

sarah dyke, from a farming i sarah dyke, from a farming background. _ sarah dyke, from a farming background, listening i sarah dyke, from a farming background, listening to i sarah dyke, from a farming - background, listening to concerns about _ background, listening to concerns about mortgages _ background, listening to concerns about mortgages skyrocketing - background, listening to concerns| about mortgages skyrocketing and background, listening to concerns - about mortgages skyrocketing and not bein- about mortgages skyrocketing and not being able _ about mortgages skyrocketing and not being able to — about mortgages skyrocketing and not being able to access _ about mortgages skyrocketing and not being able to access nhs _ about mortgages skyrocketing and not being able to access nhs dentists - being able to access nhs dentists and gps, — being able to access nhs dentists and gps, and _ being able to access nhs dentists and gps, and putting— being able to access nhs dentists and gps, and putting forward - and gps, and putting forward sotutions— and gps, and putting forward solutions that _ and gps, and putting forward solutions that resonate - and gps, and putting forward solutions that resonate withi and gps, and putting forward - solutions that resonate with voters. what _ solutions that resonate with voters. what about — solutions that resonate with voters. what about the _ solutions that resonate with voters. what about the state _ solutions that resonate with voters. what about the state of— solutions that resonate with voters. what about the state of the - solutions that resonate with voters. i what about the state of the parties? particularly the conservatives and the labour party. how important do you think this is going to be psychologically, perhaps a year out from a general election? you are auoin to from a general election? you are going to end _ from a general election? you are going to end op _ from a general election? you are going to end up with tory - from a general election? you are going to end up with tory mp5 i going to end up with tory mps panicking if you see selby, fairly rural, not a seat that labour has ever held in this form... a lot of tory mps with quite big majorities now who are starting to worry. you speak to some tory mps and it is almost like they are working through the different stages of grief already, almost resigned to losing their seats, and this would make it a lot worse. ihlo their seats, and this would make it a lot worse-— a lot worse. no one is going to get rid of rishi — a lot worse. no one is going to get rid of rishi sunak, _ a lot worse. no one is going to get rid of rishi sunak, however - a lot worse. no one is going to get rid of rishi sunak, however bad i rid of rishi sunak, however bad tonight is. i rid of rishi sunak, however bad toniuht is. ., �* rid of rishi sunak, however bad tonight io— tonight is. i don't think he is in dancer tonight is. i don't think he is in danger of _ tonight is. i don't think he is in danger of an — tonight is. i don't think he is in danger of an imminent - tonight is. i don't think he is in i danger of an imminent leadership challenge, we have seen enough chaos with that _

challenge, we have seen enough chaos with that over the past year or so. i with that over the past year or so. i don't _ with that over the past year or so. idon't think— with that over the past year or so. i don't think he is at risk, but his mps _ i don't think he is at risk, but his mps are — i don't think he is at risk, but his mps are already asking questions, when _ mps are already asking questions, when is _ mps are already asking questions, when is the message of hope coming? when _ when is the message of hope coming? when is _ when is the message of hope coming? when is he _ when is the message of hope coming? when is he going to put across a vision _ when is he going to put across a vision of— when is he going to put across a vision of what the country is going to took— vision of what the country is going to took like — vision of what the country is going to look like under a rishi sunak government if you do win the next general— government if you do win the next general election? obviously the past six months _ general election? obviously the past six months his focus has been on cleaning — six months his focus has been on cleaning up— six months his focus has been on cleaning up the mess left by the last government but he needs to stop butting _ last government but he needs to stop putting across his message on how he would _ putting across his message on how he would do _ putting across his message on how he would do things differently and distance himself from borisjohnson and also _ distance himself from borisjohnson and also from labour. back to uxbridue and also from labour. back to uxbridge and _ and also from labour. back to uxbridge and south _ and also from labour. back to uxbridge and south ruislip i and also from labour. back tol uxbridge and south ruislip and and also from labour. back to - uxbridge and south ruislip and shaun ley. how is it shaping up? it ley. how is it shaping up? it is shaina ley. how is it shaping up? it is shaping no _ ley. how is it shaping up? it is shaping no to _ ley. how is it shaping up? it is shaping up to be _ ley. how is it shaping up? it is shaping up to be a _ ley. how is it shaping up? it 3 shaping up to be a very close contest. that is what both the conservatives who held this seat coming into this by—election and labour who want to take the seat are both saying. steve reid, the shadow justice secretary, the campaigning lead for this particular by—election. you are in the wrong part of london, you are a former

council leader from south part of london, you are a former council leaderfrom south london, council leader from south london, representing council leaderfrom south london, representing croydon, and here you are in the north—west. what is your that much. they are just absolutely flabbergasted. where they are supposed to find the money from. and the reason _ supposed to find the money from. and the reason it— supposed to find the money from. and the reason it is happening, last autumn, — the reason it is happening, last autumn, the conservative government crashed _ autumn, the conservative government crashed the _ autumn, the conservative government crashed the economy with their mini budgetm _

crashed the economy with their mini buduet... . ., . crashed the economy with their mini budet... . ., . crashed the economy with their mini buduet... . ., . ., , . budget... national factors at -la budget... national factors at play- -- food _ budget... national factors at play... food costs _ budget... national factors at play... food costs because l budget... national factors at i play... food costs because of the war in ukraine. what about specific local issues? the conservatives are talking about the ulez, it is a policy of the labour mayor of london, and the labour candidate has said he thinks it's a very good policy but not right now. you are in a very difficult situation over this. ., , . , . , this. the conservatives have been deserate this. the conservatives have been desperate to _ this. the conservatives have been desperate to ignore _ this. the conservatives have been desperate to ignore the _ this. the conservatives have been desperate to ignore the cost i this. the conservatives have been desperate to ignore the cost of i desperate to ignore the cost of living _ desperate to ignore the cost of living crisis in this campaign that their— living crisis in this campaign that their economic chaos has created... but talking — their economic chaos has created... but talking about ulez... it is their economic chaos has created... but talking about ulez. . ._ but talking about ulez. .. it is not on the ballot. _ but talking about ulez. .. it is not on the ballot. what _ but talking about ulez. .. it is not on the ballot. what people i but talking about ulez. .. it is not on the ballot. what people have l but talking about ulez. .. it is not - on the ballot. what people have been coming _ on the ballot. what people have been coming to— on the ballot. what people have been coming to me on the doorstep with is the cost _ coming to me on the doorstep with is the cost of— coming to me on the doorstep with is the cost of living crisis, and yet the cost of living crisis, and yet the candidate of the governing party for 13 years has nothing to say about — for 13 years has nothing to say about it — for 13 years has nothing to say about it. , . ,., ,., about it. sorry, we have some sound roblems, about it. sorry, we have some sound problems. we _ about it. sorry, we have some sound problems, we will— about it. sorry, we have some sound problems, we will come _ about it. sorry, we have some sound problems, we will come back - about it. sorry, we have some sound problems, we will come back over. about it. sorry, we have some soundl problems, we will come back over the course of the night. let’s problems, we will come back over the

course of the night.— course of the night. let's pick up on one of— course of the night. let's pick up on one of the — course of the night. let's pick up on one of the things _ course of the night. let's pick up on one of the things steve i course of the night. let's pick up on one of the things steve reed | course of the night. let's pick up i on one of the things steve reed was talking about, the cost of living. look at the key issues for the voters, notjust in the seats we are looking at this evening, but across the uk. unsurprisingly, 61% obviously concerned about the economy followed by health, immigration, the environment and housing. do you think people will feel richer or poorer at the next general election than 13 years ago? it depends on where we are in the economy this time next year, but the key point is rishi sunak has set out his five priorities and three of those directly address the major concern. it shows he is quite rightly identifying... he hasn't delivered on _ rightly identifying... he hasn't delivered on any _ rightly identifying. .. he hasn't delivered on any of— rightly identifying... he hasn't delivered on any of them. i rightly identifying... he hasn't i delivered on any of them. well, he is delivering... _ delivered on any of them. well, he is delivering... you _ delivered on any of them. well, he is delivering... you say _ delivered on any of them. well, he is delivering... you say that, i delivered on any of them. well, he is delivering... you say that, let's. is delivering... you say that, let's have a look _ is delivering... you say that, let's have a look at _ is delivering... you say that, let's have a look at the _ is delivering... you say that, let's have a look at the target - is delivering... you say that, let's have a look at the target of i have a look at the target of inflation. it did fall, more actually than was perhaps expected, but that is because it had been stuck at over 8.5%. it has come down

to 7.9% and his target is around 5%. as you rightly say, by the end of the year. that means prices are still rising at an incredibly high rate. there are a couple of things falling but, in the main, most prices are still rising, albeit at a slightly slower rate. and you are going to be punished for that at the ballot box. the going to be punished for that at the ballot box. ~ , , going to be punished for that at the ballot box. ~' , , ., going to be punished for that at the ballot box. ~ , , ., . ~' ballot box. the key thing is to make sure we meet _ ballot box. the key thing is to make sure we meet the _ ballot box. the key thing is to make sure we meet the target _ ballot box. the key thing is to make sure we meet the target of - ballot box. the key thing is to make sure we meet the target of 5%. i ballot box. the key thing is to make sure we meet the target of 5%. you | sure we meet the target of 5%. you and i know that the bank of england, the main mover of interest rates, thatis the main mover of interest rates, that is theirjob, the effect of what they do takes 6—9 months to move through the economy. so it's hardly surprising that after we saw some rises last year, we are starting to see the rate of inflation come down. highly likely you will see the rate fall quite dramatically through the second half of this year. and then you are going to see mortgage rates, as they have already done, start to come down. they have come down to fraction and they have already gone up by a

substantial amount. keir starmer has promised growth. difficult when inflation is running at the rate it is at the moment. he is refusing to make any significant spending increases or changes in tax or do anything different, really, to the conservatives in terms of policy. what sort of vision and hope or difference is there in voting labour? he has set out a way of looking at the country — he has set out a way of looking at the country that is really ambitious. we have an amazing country— ambitious. we have an amazing country full of talented people. one of the _ country full of talented people. one of the issues here is about climate change _ of the issues here is about climate change and — of the issues here is about climate change and the environment. not only important _ change and the environment. not only important because climate change is a clear— important because climate change is a clear and _ important because climate change is a clear and present danger but because — a clear and present danger but because if we insulate homes, we bring _ because if we insulate homes, we bring down — because if we insulate homes, we bring down bills, weekly —— we create — bring down bills, weekly —— we create greatjobs, we get clean technology and clean energy by 2030. we also _ technology and clean energy by 2030. we also reduce energy dependency on other countries as countries as well as tackting — other countries as countries as well as tackling climate change. that's fully as tackling climate change. that's futty botd — as tackling climate change. that's fully bold and it's a big change for

this country. we looking forward the time when _ this country. we looking forward the time when my great—nephew is a great nieces— time when my great—nephew is a great nieces can _ time when my great—nephew is a great nieces can say it was the keir starmer— nieces can say it was the keir starmer labour government that took this country— starmer labour government that took this country into a net zero economy with great— this country into a net zero economy with greatjobs, in renewable energy. — with greatjobs, in renewable energy, digitaland with greatjobs, in renewable energy, digital and tech, with greatjobs, in renewable energy, digitaland tech, that with greatjobs, in renewable energy, digital and tech, that will transform — energy, digital and tech, that will transform the way we live our lives. it is interesting, john, one have just heard over the past few weeks actually, labourwill just heard over the past few weeks actually, labour will not start to make the big investment, £20 billion a year until two years into labour government. —— £20 million. and saying no to any future oil and gas licences wouldn't actually happen again until and if they win power. yes, and it is clearly a tricky area for labour, they have had to slightly change that, but the reason they have had to do that is because they have had to do that is because the state of the economy is in because interest rates have gone up and they don't want to repeat the mistakes of what the tories did last

year with all these unfunded spending commitments, which sent the economy into a mess. in spending commitments, which sent the economy into a mess.— economy into a mess. in terms of the ho -e and economy into a mess. in terms of the hope and the — economy into a mess. in terms of the hope and the vision _ economy into a mess. in terms of the hope and the vision you _ economy into a mess. in terms of the hope and the vision you are _ economy into a mess. in terms of the hope and the vision you are talking i hope and the vision you are talking about, natasha, do tory mps still hope for tax cuts definitely. they definitely would want to see that as a pre—election giveaway. definitely would want to see that as a pre-election giveaway.— definitely would want to see that as a pre-election giveaway. whether or not will make _ a pre-election giveaway. whether or not will make any _ a pre-election giveaway. whether or not will make any difference - a pre-election giveaway. whether or not will make any difference when i a pre-election giveaway. whether or| not will make any difference when we have seen _ not will make any difference when we have seen so many mortgages going and the _ have seen so many mortgages going and the cost of living is a different matter. but i'm sure rishi sunak— different matter. but i'm sure rishi sunak are _ different matter. but i'm sure rishi sunak are still thinking about his plan for— sunak are still thinking about his plan for the next six to eight months _ plan for the next six to eight months and what that looks like and therefore _ months and what that looks like and therefore going into the general election — therefore going into the general election. he will have to offer something to his backbenchers, he keeps _ something to his backbenchers, he keeps putting it off.— keeps putting it off. voters are not stuid. keeps putting it off. voters are not stopid- they _ keeps putting it off. voters are not stupid. they have _ keeps putting it off. voters are not stupid. they have seen _ keeps putting it off. voters are not stupid. they have seen the - keeps putting it off. voters are not stupid. they have seen the last i keeps putting it off. voters are not| stupid. they have seen the last few years, rishi sunak as chancellor and then prime minister, taxes have gone up then prime minister, taxes have gone up and up and then if the last minute he says i'm going to put them down if you bring me back in, voters are not going to buy that.— are not going to buy that. stephen? are ou in are not going to buy that. stephen? are you in favour— are not going to buy that. stephen? are you in favour of— are not going to buy that. stephen? are you in favour of tax _ are not going to buy that. stephen? are you in favour of tax cuts -

are not going to buy that. stephen? are you in favour of tax cuts before | are you in favour of tax cuts before the election? like every conservative i believe in lower taxes — conservative i believe in lower taxes but _ conservative i believe in lower taxes but i do believe the priorities rishi has set out, bring down _ priorities rishi has set out, bring down inflation, grow the economy, pay down _ down inflation, grow the economy, pay down the debt. tax cuts are part of tory— pay down the debt. tax cuts are part of tory philosophy but so is good for school — of tory philosophy but so is good for school finances and getting the i’i l ht for school finances and getting the right is— for school finances and getting the right is key and that's why he identified that. and of course taxes have gone — identified that. and of course taxes have gone up, that's because we have had an— have gone up, that's because we have had an international crisis called the pandemic. are we seriously saying — the pandemic. are we seriously saying that this country, this government, shouldn't have supported people _ government, shouldn't have supported people through that, and therefore inevitably— people through that, and therefore inevitably we spent more money? we an investment in the future. at inevitably we spent more money? we an investment in the future.— an investment in the future. at the last election _ an investment in the future. at the last election he _ an investment in the future. at the last election he promised - an investment in the future. at the last election he promised he i an investment in the future. at the last election he promised he would keep national insurance at the level it was and you broke that promise. why should anyone believe anything you say on tax at the next election? as you and i both know that was an extraordinary circumstance. and therefore. — extraordinary circumstance. and therefore, if you had kept to that, all sorts—

therefore, if you had kept to that, all sorts of— therefore, if you had kept to that, all sorts of things, people would have _ all sorts of things, people would have lost — all sorts of things, people would have lost theirjobs, people would have lost theirjobs, people would have lost — have lost theirjobs, people would have lost theirjobs, people would have lost their homes and actually this was— have lost their homes and actually this was an — have lost their homes and actually this was an investment by this government... it is absolutely key that over— government... it is absolutely key that over the next few months we concentrate on what's been set out. but it _ concentrate on what's been set out. but it can _ concentrate on what's been set out. but it can no — concentrate on what's been set out. but it can no longer claim to be the party of low taxes. taste but it can no longer claim to be the party of low taxes.— party of low taxes. we can claim a course that _ party of low taxes. we can claim a course that where _ party of low taxes. we can claim a course that where we _ party of low taxes. we can claim a course that where we want - party of low taxes. we can claim a course that where we want to i party of low taxes. we can claim a course that where we want to go l party of low taxes. we can claim a i course that where we want to go and we pointed _ course that where we want to go and we pointed out the reason why it is not there _ we pointed out the reason why it is not there at— we pointed out the reason why it is not there at the moment. many we pointed out the reason why it is not there at the moment.— we pointed out the reason why it is not there at the moment. many of us in, ou not there at the moment. many of us in. you would — not there at the moment. many of us in, you would like _ not there at the moment. many of us in, you would like to _ not there at the moment. many of us in, you would like to see _ not there at the moment. many of us in, you would like to see taxes i in, you would like to see taxes go up in, you would like to see taxes go up for further investment in public services? 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forget that we always believe people should keep more of— forget that we always believe people should keep more of the _ forget that we always believe people should keep more of the money- forget that we always believe people should keep more of the money if. should keep more of the money if they can — should keep more of the money if they can de— should keep more of the money if the can. ,, should keep more of the money if the can. i. . should keep more of the money if the can. ,, . ., they can. do you want to highlight our they can. do you want to highlight your racket _ they can. do you want to highlight your racket coalition? _ they can. do you want to highlight your racket coalition? but - they can. do you want to highlight your racket coalition? but we - they can. do you want to highlight your racket coalition? but we also| your racket coalition? but we also believe in strong _ your racket coalition? but we also believe in strong public _ your racket coalition? but we also believe in strong public services l believe in strong public services and you — believe in strong public services and you have _ believe in strong public services and you have to— believe in strong public services and you have to look— believe in strong public services and you have to look at - believe in strong public services and you have to look at the - believe in strong public servicesi and you have to look at the nhs believe in strong public services i and you have to look at the nhs at the moment, — and you have to look at the nhs at the moment, which— and you have to look at the nhs at the moment, which is— and you have to look at the nhs at the moment, which is on- and you have to look at the nhs at the moment, which is on its- and you have to look at the nhs at the moment, which is on its kneesi the moment, which is on its knees with record — the moment, which is on its knees with record waiting _ the moment, which is on its knees with record waiting lists, - the moment, which is on its knees with record waiting lists, people i with record waiting lists, people can't _ with record waiting lists, people can't access _ with record waiting lists, people can't access gps _ with record waiting lists, people can't access gps and _ with record waiting lists, people can't access gps and dentists, l can't access gps and dentists, schoois— can't access gps and dentists, schools are _ can't access gps and dentists, schools are struggling, - can't access gps and dentists, i schools are struggling, making can't access gps and dentists, - schools are struggling, making cuts, layihg _ schools are struggling, making cuts, layihg off— schools are struggling, making cuts, layihg off staff, _ schools are struggling, making cuts, laying off staff, asking _ schools are struggling, making cuts, laying off staff, asking parents - schools are struggling, making cuts, laying off staff, asking parents to - laying off staff, asking parents to buy laying off staff, asking parents to truy the _ laying off staff, asking parents to buy the essentials. _ laying off staff, asking parents to buy the essentials. so _ laying off staff, asking parents to buy the essentials. so the - laying off staff, asking parents to buy the essentials. so the way. buy the essentials. so the way things— buy the essentials. so the way thihgs are _ buy the essentials. so the way thihgs are at _ buy the essentials. so the way things are at the _ buy the essentials. so the way things are at the moment, - buy the essentials. so the way things are at the moment, it'si things are at the moment, it's difficult — things are at the moment, it's difficult to _ things are at the moment, it's difficult to see _ things are at the moment, it's difficult to see how— things are at the moment, it's difficult to see how you - things are at the moment, it's difficult to see how you couldl things are at the moment, it's - difficult to see how you could make tax cuts _ difficult to see how you could make tax cuts and — difficult to see how you could make tax cuts and keep _ difficult to see how you could make tax cuts and keep funding - difficult to see how you could make tax cuts and keep funding public i tax cuts and keep funding public services — tax cuts and keep funding public services and _ tax cuts and keep funding public services and the _ tax cuts and keep funding public services and the way _ tax cuts and keep funding public services and the way that - tax cuts and keep funding public services and the way that they l tax cuts and keep funding public - services and the way that they need to he _ services and the way that they need to he obviousty— services and the way that they need to be. obviously everybody - services and the way that they need to be. obviously everybody would . to be. obviously everybody would like to _ to be. obviously everybody would like to see — to be. obviously everybody would like to see people _ to be. obviously everybody would like to see people keep _ to be. obviously everybody would like to see people keep more - to be. obviously everybody would like to see people keep more of. like to see people keep more of their— like to see people keep more of their mohey_ like to see people keep more of their money but _ like to see people keep more of their money but we _ like to see people keep more of their money but we know - like to see people keep more of their money but we know that l like to see people keep more of. their money but we know that we should _ their money but we know that we should he — their money but we know that we should be taxing _ their money but we know that we should be taxing oil— their money but we know that we should be taxing oil and - their money but we know that we should be taxing oil and gas - should be taxing oil and gas companies _ should be taxing oil and gas companies more, _ should be taxing oil and gas companies more, the - should be taxing oil and gas i companies more, the windfall should be taxing oil and gas - companies more, the windfall tax is full of— companies more, the windfall tax is full of loopholes, _ companies more, the windfall tax is full of loopholes, to _ companies more, the windfall tax is full of loopholes, to be _ companies more, the windfall tax is full of loopholes, to be raising - companies more, the windfall tax is full of loopholes, to be raising far. full of loopholes, to be raising far more _ full of loopholes, to be raising far more money _ full of loopholes, to be raising far more money. this _ full of loopholes, to be raising far more money. this conservative . more money. this conservative government— more money. this conservative government has— more money. this conservative government has cut _ more money. this conservative government has cut taxes - more money. this conservative government has cut taxes for l government has cut taxes for bankers, _ government has cut taxes for bankers, the _ government has cut taxes for bankers, the bankers - government has cut taxes for . bankers, the bankers surcharge government has cut taxes for - bankers, the bankers surcharge has been _ bankers, the bankers surcharge has been cut, _ bankers, the bankers surcharge has been cut, we — bankers, the bankers surcharge has been cut, we would _ bankers, the bankers surcharge has been cut, we would reverse - bankers, the bankers surcharge has been cut, we would reverse that - bankers, the bankers surcharge hasi been cut, we would reverse that and look been cut, we would reverse that and took at _ been cut, we would reverse that and took at closing — been cut, we would reverse that and look at closing loopholes _ been cut, we would reverse that and look at closing loopholes in - been cut, we would reverse that and look at closing loopholes in capital l look at closing loopholes in capital gains _ look at closing loopholes in capital gains tax — look at closing loopholes in capital gains tax. those _ look at closing loopholes in capital gains tax. those are _ look at closing loopholes in capital gains tax. those are the _ look at closing loopholes in capital gains tax. those are the people i look at closing loopholes in capital i gains tax. those are the people who should _ gains tax. those are the people who should be _ gains tax. those are the people who should be paying _ gains tax. those are the people who should be paying more _ gains tax. those are the people who should be paying more tax - gains tax. those are the people who should be paying more tax refund i gains tax. those are the people who| should be paying more tax refund on

our public— should be paying more tax refund on our public services _ should be paying more tax refund on our public services and supporting i our public services and supporting people _ our public services and supporting people in— our public services and supporting peopie in the _ our public services and supporting people in the cost—of—living - our public services and supporting i people in the cost—of—living crisis. we have _ people in the cost—of—living crisis. we have talked _ people in the cost—of—living crisis. we have talked about _ people in the cost—of—living crisis. we have talked about the - people in the cost—of—living crisis. we have talked about the liberal. we have talked about the liberal democrat programme, let's go to somerton and frome in somerset and find out from jenny kumah how things are shaping up there. itriui’eiiii. find out from jenny kumah how things are shaping up there.— are shaping up there. well, the last ballot box arrived _ are shaping up there. well, the last ballot box arrived just _ are shaping up there. well, the last ballot box arrived just before - ballot box arrived just before midday and there are about a hundred people here that will be counted the votes. in the centre all the votes have been gathered up, they will be spread out among the titles and verified encounters. we expect results at around 4am if not before. there is a huge conservative majority to be overturned here but the liberal democrats are feeling confident that they can do that tonight. ijoined by christine jardine, the lib dem mp. how well do you think you've done? irate jardine, the lib dem mp. how well do you think you've done?— you think you've done? we are confident _ you think you've done? we are confident that _ you think you've done? we are confident that we _ you think you've done? we are confident that we have - you think you've done? we are confident that we have one - you think you've done? we are - confident that we have one tonight. we have _ confident that we have one tonight. we have also won decisively. the conservative vote appears to have coitapsed — conservative vote appears to have collapsed. we are confident that we have won _ collapsed. we are confident that we

have won tonight. and i think the new mp _ have won tonight. and i think the new mp will be a fantastic local champion. new mp will be a fantastic local champion-— new mp will be a fantastic local chamion. ., . . . , ., new mp will be a fantastic local chamion. ., . . ., . champion. you have had a bit of a recovery in _ champion. you have had a bit of a recovery in the — champion. you have had a bit of a recovery in the south-west, - champion. you have had a bit of ai recovery in the south-west, which champion. you have had a bit of a i recovery in the south-west, which is recovery in the south—west, which is to be a lib dem stronghold, but do you think the party has done enough to change since 2015, to have more of an impact nationally? what to change since 2015, to have more of an impact nationally?— of an impact nationally? what we have seen here _ of an impact nationally? what we have seen here as _ of an impact nationally? what we have seen here as we _ of an impact nationally? what we have seen here as we have - of an impact nationally? what we have seen here as we have built i of an impact nationally? what we i have seen here as we have built up from _ have seen here as we have built up from a _ have seen here as we have built up from a tocat— have seen here as we have built up from a local level. if you look at the iocai— from a local level. if you look at the local council elections, we were bil the local council elections, we were big winners— the local council elections, we were big winners in the local council eiections — big winners in the local council elections are much as we have widespread support across the country — widespread support across the country. come the general election we will— country. come the general election we will be — country. come the general election we will be targeting those seats will be — we will be targeting those seats will be confident we can win. what we see _ will be confident we can win. what we see here write essay swing of, we don't _ we see here write essay swing of, we don't know _ we see here write essay swing of, we don't know yet until we get final results — don't know yet until we get final results but we have seen a swing of at least _ results but we have seen a swing of at least 15% — results but we have seen a swing of at least 15% to win this seat and there _ at least 15% to win this seat and there are — at least 15% to win this seat and there are about 30 seats where it only takes — there are about 30 seats where it only takes a 10% swing for us to win _ only takes a 10% swing for us to win so — only takes a 10% swing for us to win. so there will be conservative mps up _ win. so there will be conservative mps up and down the country looking over their— mps up and down the country looking over their shoulders now, knowing

that the _ over their shoulders now, knowing that the liberal democrats can win that the liberal democrats can win that seat _ that the liberal democrats can win that seat because they have let the country _ that seat because they have let the country down, they have allowed the economy— country down, they have allowed the economy to — country down, they have allowed the economy to fall apart, in fact because _ economy to fall apart, in fact because it is falling apart mortgages are going through the roof, _ mortgages are going through the roof, inflation is running high. peopie — roof, inflation is running high. peopie in _ roof, inflation is running high. people in this part of the world cannot— people in this part of the world cannot get a gp and that's not acceptable and that's why people are turning _ acceptable and that's why people are turning back to us in this part of the world — turning back to us in this part of the world. do turning back to us in this part of the world-— turning back to us in this part of the world. ~ . the world. do you think you are held b the fact the world. do you think you are held by the fact that _ the world. do you think you are held by the fact that labour _ the world. do you think you are held by the fact that labour and - the world. do you think you are held by the fact that labour and the - by the fact that labour and the green party didn't put up much of a fight here? green party didn't put up much of a fiuht here? . green party didn't put up much of a fiuht here? , ., . ,., green party didn't put up much of a fiuht here? , ., . , .,, fight here? this was about people bein: fight here? this was about people being unhappy _ fight here? this was about people being unhappy with _ fight here? this was about people being unhappy with the _ fight here? this was about people . being unhappy with the conservatives and seeing _ being unhappy with the conservatives and seeing us as the choice to defeat — and seeing us as the choice to defeat the conservatives, to get changed — defeat the conservatives, to get changed. i'm sure labourand the green— changed. i'm sure labourand the green party— changed. i'm sure labourand the green party ran the best campaigns they could — green party ran the best campaigns they could but it was about us, straight — they could but it was about us, straight two horse between us and the conservatives and sarah ran a fantastic— the conservatives and sarah ran a fantastic campaign, we are very happy— fantastic campaign, we are very happy with how it's turned out. i think— happy with how it's turned out. i think going into the general election we will see that in areas

like this, — election we will see that in areas like this, where we are already in a strong _ like this, where we are already in a strong position because we are in second _ strong position because we are in second place at the last general election— second place at the last general election or within 15%, we have a real chance. _ election or within 15%, we have a real chance, when the voters look at who they're — real chance, when the voters look at who they're going to vote for they will see _ who they're going to vote for they will see us— who they're going to vote for they will see us as the alternative to the conservatives.— the conservatives. thank you, christine for _ the conservatives. thank you, christine for speaking - the conservatives. thank you, christine for speaking to - the conservatives. thank you, christine for speaking to us i the conservatives. thank you, | christine for speaking to us this evening. it is still early and we still have accounting to go ahead, so we shall see how the results go. thanks, jenny kumah in somerton. it is still early but that's not stopping the liberal democrat leader. we can show you this tweet from sir ed davey. there is confidence for you expect this discuss with professor sirjohn curtice. they think they have got it. , curtice. they think they have got it. y ., ~ , . it. they do indeed. as we have already pointed _ it. they do indeed. as we have already pointed out _ it. they do indeed. as we have already pointed out earlier - it. they do indeed. as we have already pointed out earlier this evening, — already pointed out earlier this evening, the _ already pointed out earlier this evening, the swing _ already pointed out earlier this evening, the swing required i already pointed out earlier this evening, the swing required in| evening, the swing required in somerton— evening, the swing required in somerton and _ evening, the swing required in somerton and frome, - evening, the swing required in| somerton and frome, although evening, the swing required in i somerton and frome, although it looks— somerton and frome, although it looks quite — somerton and frome, although it looks quite substantial, - somerton and frome, although it looks quite substantial, 15%, - somerton and frome, although it looks quite substantial, 15%, is l looks quite substantial, 15%, is less than— looks quite substantial, 15%, is less than what _

looks quite substantial, 15%, is less than what the _ looks quite substantial, 15%, is less than what the lib - looks quite substantial, 15%, is less than what the lib dems i looks quite substantial, 15%, is . less than what the lib dems have achieved, — less than what the lib dems have achieved, and _ less than what the lib dems have achieved, and the _ less than what the lib dems have achieved, and the three - less than what the lib dems have . achieved, and the three by—elections they picked _ achieved, and the three by—elections they picked up— achieved, and the three by—elections they picked up before. _ achieved, and the three by—elections they picked up before. but— achieved, and the three by—elections they picked up before. but i- achieved, and the three by—elections they picked up before. but i think- they picked up before. but i think they picked up before. but i think the interesting _ they picked up before. but i think the interesting debate _ they picked up before. but i think the interesting debate about- they picked up before. but i think the interesting debate about thei they picked up before. but i think. the interesting debate about the lib dems— the interesting debate about the lib dems that _ the interesting debate about the lib dems that has — the interesting debate about the lib dems that has emerged _ the interesting debate about the lib dems that has emerged this - the interesting debate about the libl dems that has emerged this evening is that— dems that has emerged this evening is that when— dems that has emerged this evening is that when you challenge _ dems that has emerged this evening is that when you challenge munira i is that when you challenge munira witson— is that when you challenge munira wilson earlier— is that when you challenge munira wilson earlier about— is that when you challenge munira wilson earlier about an _ is that when you challenge munira wilson earlier about an hour, - is that when you challenge munira l wilson earlier about an hour, you're still wilson earlier about an hour, you're stiii 11%_ wilson earlier about an hour, you're still ii% in— wilson earlier about an hour, you're still ii% in the — wilson earlier about an hour, you're still 11% in the opinion _ wilson earlier about an hour, you're still 11% in the opinion polls, - wilson earlier about an hour, you're still 11% in the opinion polls, the - still 11% in the opinion polls, the reply— still 11% in the opinion polls, the reply was, — still11% in the opinion polls, the reply was. but— still 11% in the opinion polls, the reply was, but we _ still 11% in the opinion polls, the reply was, but we are _ still 11% in the opinion polls, the reply was, but we are focusing l still 11% in the opinion polls, the. reply was, but we are focusing on particular— reply was, but we are focusing on particular constituencies. - reply was, but we are focusing on particular constituencies. i - reply was, but we are focusing on particular constituencies. i think. particular constituencies. i think christine — particular constituencies. i think christine jardine _ particular constituencies. i think christine jardine has _ particular constituencies. i think christine jardine hasjust- particular constituencies. i think. christine jardine hasjust repeated christine jardine has just repeated that lying — christine jardine has just repeated that lying in— christine jardine hasjust repeated that lying in her— christine jardine hasjust repeated that lying in her interview- christine jardine hasjust repeated that lying in her interview from . that lying in her interview from somerton _ that lying in her interview from somerton i_ that lying in her interview from somerton. ithink— that lying in her interview from somerton. i think that - that lying in her interview from somerton. i think that does . that lying in her interview from - somerton. i think that does indicate that white _ somerton. i think that does indicate that white the — somerton. i think that does indicate that while the lib _ somerton. i think that does indicate that while the lib dems— somerton. i think that does indicate that while the lib dems are - somerton. i think that does indicate that while the lib dems are hoping i that while the lib dems are hoping to profit— that while the lib dems are hoping to profit from — that while the lib dems are hoping to profit from conservative - to profit from conservative misfortune _ to profit from conservative misfortune in _ to profit from conservative misfortune in those - to profit from conservative misfortune in those places to profit from conservative - misfortune in those places where they start — misfortune in those places where they start off— misfortune in those places where they start off second, _ misfortune in those places where they start off second, the - misfortune in those places where they start off second, the party l they start off second, the party isn't _ they start off second, the party isn't stilt— they start off second, the party isn't still really _ they start off second, the party isn't still really thinking - they start off second, the party isn't still really thinking of - isn't still really thinking of itself— isn't still really thinking of itself as— isn't still really thinking of itself as a _ isn't still really thinking of itself as a party— isn't still really thinking of itself as a party that - isn't still really thinking of itself as a party that is - isn't still really thinking of - itself as a party that is capable of getting _ itself as a party that is capable of getting back— itself as a party that is capable of getting back to— itself as a party that is capable of getting back to the _ itself as a party that is capable of getting back to the kind - itself as a party that is capable of getting back to the kind of - itself as a party that is capable of getting back to the kind of 20% l getting back to the kind of 20% level— getting back to the kind of 20% level that — getting back to the kind of 20% level that it _ getting back to the kind of 20% level that it regularly— getting back to the kind of 20% level that it regularly enjoyed l level that it regularly enjoyed before — level that it regularly enjoyed before the _ level that it regularly enjoyed before the collapse _ level that it regularly enjoyed before the collapse of- level that it regularly enjoyed before the collapse of its - level that it regularly enjoyed - before the collapse of its support in 2015 _ before the collapse of its support in 2015 and — before the collapse of its support in 2015 and getting _ before the collapse of its support in 2015 and getting back - before the collapse of its support in 2015 and getting back up - before the collapse of its support in 2015 and getting back up to - in 2015 and getting back up to around — in 2015 and getting back up to around 60 _ in 2015 and getting back up to around 60 mps, _ in 2015 and getting back up to around 60 mps, which - in 2015 and getting back up to around 60 mps, which again. in 2015 and getting back up to| around 60 mps, which again if in 2015 and getting back up to - around 60 mps, which again if what they -- _ around 60 mps, which again if what they -- but— around 60 mps, which again if what they -- but what— around 60 mps, which again if what they —— but what they _ around 60 mps, which again if what they —— but what they previously i they —— but what they previously enjoyed — they —— but what they previously enjoyed this— they —— but what they previously enjoyed this is— they —— but what they previously enjoyed. this is a _ they —— but what they previously enjoyed. this is a party- they —— but what they previously enjoyed. this is a party that - they —— but what they previously enjoyed. this is a party that are| enjoyed. this is a party that are still perhaps _ enjoyed. this is a party that are still perhaps hoping _ enjoyed. this is a party that are still perhaps hoping to - enjoyed. this is a party that are still perhaps hoping to begin. enjoyed. this is a party that are

still perhaps hoping to begin a. still perhaps hoping to begin a recovery— still perhaps hoping to begin a recovery in— still perhaps hoping to begin a recovery in certain _ still perhaps hoping to begin a recovery in certain seats - still perhaps hoping to begin a recovery in certain seats in - still perhaps hoping to begin a . recovery in certain seats in order to increase — recovery in certain seats in order to increase its _ recovery in certain seats in order to increase its parliamentary- to increase its parliamentary representation. _ to increase its parliamentary representation. but - to increase its parliamentary representation. but not - to increase its parliamentary representation. but not a i to increase its parliamentary. representation. but not a party whose _ representation. but not a party whose ambition _ representation. but not a party whose ambition is _ representation. but not a party whose ambition is yet - representation. but not a party whose ambition is yet one - representation. but not a party whose ambition is yet one that| whose ambition is yet one that matches— whose ambition is yet one that matches trying _ whose ambition is yet one that matches trying to _ whose ambition is yet one that matches trying to achieve - whose ambition is yet one that matches trying to achieve the. whose ambition is yet one that - matches trying to achieve the kind of things— matches trying to achieve the kind of things that _ matches trying to achieve the kind of things that were _ matches trying to achieve the kind of things that were achieved - matches trying to achieve the kind i of things that were achieved under the leadership— of things that were achieved under the leadership of— of things that were achieved under the leadership of paddy _ of things that were achieved under the leadership of paddy ashdown i of things that were achieved under. the leadership of paddy ashdown and chartes— the leadership of paddy ashdown and charles kennedy. _ the leadership of paddy ashdown and charles kennedy. can— the leadership of paddy ashdown and charles kennedy. can i— the leadership of paddy ashdown and charles kennedy. can i put— the leadership of paddy ashdown and charles kennedy. can i put a - the leadership of paddy ashdown and charles kennedy. can i put a phrase i charles kennedy. can i put a phrase to you _ charles kennedy. can i put a phrase to you that— charles kennedy. can i put a phrase to you that is — charles kennedy. can i put a phrase to you that is being _ charles kennedy. can i put a phrase to you that is being talked - charles kennedy. can i put a phrase to you that is being talked about? l to you that is being talked about? atong _ to you that is being talked about? atong a boris, _ to you that is being talked about? along a boris, which _ to you that is being talked about? along a boris, which sounds - along a boris, which sounds uncomfortable to some extent! how much can we put whatever happens tonight at the door of the former prime minister in terms of the tories are' electoral performance? it is worth reminding ourselves that this has— it is worth reminding ourselves that this has been— it is worth reminding ourselves that this has been a _ it is worth reminding ourselves that this has been a rather— it is worth reminding ourselves that this has been a rather peculiar- this has been a rather peculiar parliament _ this has been a rather peculiar parliament. for— this has been a rather peculiar parliament. for the _ this has been a rather peculiar parliament. for the first - this has been a rather peculiar parliament. for the first two l this has been a rather peculiar- parliament. for the first two years after _ parliament. for the first two years after the _ parliament. for the first two years after the conservatives' _ parliament. for the first two years after the conservatives' bakery- parliament. for the first two years after the conservatives' bakery ini after the conservatives' bakery in 2019 _ after the conservatives' bakery in 2019 the — after the conservatives' bakery in 2019 the conservatives _ after the conservatives' bakery in 2019 the conservatives were - after the conservatives' bakery in| 2019 the conservatives were never consistently — 2019 the conservatives were never consistently behind _ 2019 the conservatives were never consistently behind labour- 2019 the conservatives were never consistently behind labour in - 2019 the conservatives were never consistently behind labour in the i consistently behind labour in the pulses _ consistently behind labour in the pulses when _ consistently behind labour in the pulses. when did _ consistently behind labour in the pulses. when did the _ consistently behind labour in the pulses. when did the first - consistently behind labour in the i pulses. when did the first become behind _ pulses. when did the first become behind labour— pulses. when did the first become behind labour in _ pulses. when did the first become behind labour in the _ pulses. when did the first become behind labour in the polls? - pulses. when did the first become behind labour in the polls? wheni pulses. when did the first become i behind labour in the polls? when the first revelations about _ behind labour in the polls? when the first revelations about partygate - first revelations about partygate appeared — first revelations about partygate appeared at _ first revelations about partygate appeared at the _ first revelations about partygate appeared at the beginning - first revelations about partygate appeared at the beginning of- first revelations about partygate . appeared at the beginning of 2021. the truth _

appeared at the beginning of 2021. the truth is — appeared at the beginning of 2021. the truth is that _ appeared at the beginning of 2021. the truth is that the _ appeared at the beginning of 2021. the truth is that the question - appeared at the beginning of 2021. the truth is that the question of i the truth is that the question of the ethics — the truth is that the question of the ethics of— the truth is that the question of the ethics of boris _ the truth is that the question of the ethics of boris johnson - the truth is that the question of the ethics of boris johnson and i the truth is that the question of - the ethics of borisjohnson and more broadly— the ethics of borisjohnson and more broadly of— the ethics of borisjohnson and more broadly of the — the ethics of borisjohnson and more broadly of the party _ the ethics of borisjohnson and more broadly of the party had _ the ethics of borisjohnson and more broadly of the party had made - the ethics of borisjohnson and more broadly of the party had made him . broadly of the party had made him their leader— broadly of the party had made him their leader is _ broadly of the party had made him their leader is still— broadly of the party had made him their leader is still hanging - broadly of the party had made him their leader is still hanging over. their leader is still hanging over their leader is still hanging over the party— their leader is still hanging over the party and _ their leader is still hanging over the partyahd i_ their leader is still hanging over the party and i think— their leader is still hanging over the party and i think we - their leader is still hanging over the party and i think we have i their leader is still hanging over. the party and i think we have seen that in— the party and i think we have seen that in recent _ the party and i think we have seen that in recent weeks. _ the party and i think we have seen that in recent weeks. remember. the party and i think we have seen i that in recent weeks. remember the 15th of— that in recent weeks. remember the 15th ofjuhe — that in recent weeks. remember the 15th ofjune. why— that in recent weeks. remember the 15th ofjune. whyjust_ that in recent weeks. remember the 15th ofjune. whyjust a _ that in recent weeks. remember the 15th ofjune. whyjust a matter? - 15th ofjune. whyjust a matter? because — 15th ofjune. whyjust a matter? because that's _ 15th ofjune. whyjust a matter? because that's the _ 15th ofjune. whyjust a matter? because that's the day - 15th ofjune. whyjust a matter? because that's the day that - 15th ofjune. whyjust a matter? because that's the day that the i because that's the day that the privileges— because that's the day that the privileges committee - because that's the day that the privileges committee report i privileges committee report concluded _ privileges committee report concluded that— privileges committee report concluded that mr— privileges committee report concluded that mrjohnson i privileges committee report. concluded that mrjohnson had privileges committee report - concluded that mrjohnson had indeed misled _ concluded that mrjohnson had indeed misled the _ concluded that mrjohnson had indeed misled the house _ concluded that mrjohnson had indeed misled the house over— concluded that mrjohnson had indeed misled the house over some - concluded that mrjohnson had indeed misled the house over some of- concluded that mrjohnson had indeed misled the house over some of the i misled the house over some of the statements— misled the house over some of the statements he _ misled the house over some of the statements he made _ misled the house over some of the statements he made about - misled the house over some of the i statements he made about partygate, and the _ statements he made about partygate, and the conservative _ statements he made about partygate, and the conservative party— and the conservative party collectively _ and the conservative party collectively did _ and the conservative party collectively did not - and the conservative party collectively did not fall - and the conservative party collectively did not fall in i and the conservative party- collectively did not fall in behind that decision. _ collectively did not fall in behind that decision. mps— collectively did not fall in behind that decision. mps were - collectively did not fall in behind that decision. mps were allowed collectively did not fall in behind i that decision. mps were allowed to do what _ that decision. mps were allowed to do what they— that decision. mps were allowed to do what they did, _ that decision. mps were allowed to do what they did, but _ that decision. mps were allowed to do what they did, but 100 - that decision. mps were allowed to do what they did, but 100 voted i that decision. mps were allowed to| do what they did, but 100 voted for him but _ do what they did, but 100 voted for him but marry— do what they did, but 100 voted for him but many didn't— do what they did, but 100 voted for him but many didn't including - do what they did, but 100 voted for him but many didn't including the l him but many didn't including the prime _ him but many didn't including the prime minister. _ him but many didn't including the prime minister. much _ him but many didn't including the prime minister. much of- him but many didn't including the prime minister. much of the - him but many didn't including the - prime minister. much of the progress the conservatives— prime minister. much of the progress the conservatives have _ prime minister. much of the progress the conservatives have managed - prime minister. much of the progress the conservatives have managed to. the conservatives have managed to achieve _ the conservatives have managed to achieve irr— the conservatives have managed to achieve in recent _ the conservatives have managed to achieve in recent weeks _ the conservatives have managed to achieve in recent weeks and - achieve in recent weeks and narrowing _ achieve in recent weeks and narrowing the _ achieve in recent weeks and narrowing the labour- achieve in recent weeks and narrowing the labour lead l achieve in recent weeks and . narrowing the labour lead has achieve in recent weeks and - narrowing the labour lead has been lost in _ narrowing the labour lead has been lost in the _ narrowing the labour lead has been lost in the wake _ narrowing the labour lead has been lost in the wake of— narrowing the labour lead has been lost in the wake of that, _ narrowing the labour lead has been lost in the wake of that, basically. lost in the wake of that, basically the labour— lost in the wake of that, basically the labour lead _ lost in the wake of that, basically the labour lead has _ lost in the wake of that, basically the labour lead has gone - lost in the wake of that, basically the labour lead has gone back. lost in the wake of that, basicallyi the labour lead has gone back up from _ the labour lead has gone back up from about— the labour lead has gone back up from about 15_ the labour lead has gone back up from about 15 points _ the labour lead has gone back up from about 15 points to _ the labour lead has gone back up from about 15 points to 18 - the labour lead has gone back up from about 15 points to 18 pointsi the labour lead has gone back up. from about 15 points to 18 points in the wake _ from about 15 points to 18 points in the wake of— from about 15 points to 18 points in the wake of that _ from about 15 points to 18 points in the wake of that collective - from about 15 points to 18 points in the wake of that collective failure i the wake of that collective failure of the _ the wake of that collective failure of the conservative _ the wake of that collective failure of the conservative party- the wake of that collective failure of the conservative party to - the wake of that collective failure of the conservative party to take i of the conservative party to take the opportunity— of the conservative party to take the opportunity to _ of the conservative party to take the opportunity to distance - of the conservative party to take i the opportunity to distance itself from _ the opportunity to distance itself from boris — the opportunity to distance itself from borisjohnson, _ the opportunity to distance itself from borisjohnson, and -

the opportunity to distance itself from borisjohnson, and we - the opportunity to distance itselfi from borisjohnson, and we have the opportunity to distance itself - from borisjohnson, and we have seen what we _ from borisjohnson, and we have seen what we might— from borisjohnson, and we have seen what we might call— from borisjohnson, and we have seen what we might call the ethical- what we might call the ethical issue. — what we might call the ethical issue. which— what we might call the ethical issue, which is— what we might call the ethical issue, which is the _ what we might call the ethical issue, which is the first - what we might call the ethical issue, which is the first issuei what we might call the ethical- issue, which is the first issue that caused _ issue, which is the first issue that caused the — issue, which is the first issue that caused the trouble _ issue, which is the first issue that caused the trouble for _ issue, which is the first issue that caused the trouble for the - caused the trouble for the conservatives— caused the trouble for the conservatives obviously. caused the trouble for the i conservatives obviously the caused the trouble for the _ conservatives obviously the economy is the _ conservatives obviously the economy is the second, — conservatives obviously the economy is the second, but _ conservatives obviously the economy is the second, but the _ conservatives obviously the economy is the second, but the ethical- conservatives obviously the economy is the second, but the ethical issue . is the second, but the ethical issue is the second, but the ethical issue is still— is the second, but the ethical issue is still hanging _ is the second, but the ethical issue is still hanging over— is the second, but the ethical issue is still hanging over the _ is the second, but the ethical issue is still hanging over the party. - is still hanging over the party. thank— is still hanging over the party. thank you very _ is still hanging over the party. thank you very much, - is still hanging over the party. thank you very much, we - is still hanging over the party. thank you very much, we will| is still hanging over the party. - thank you very much, we will come back to you later on in the evening. just briefly before we go, to selby and ainsty, listening to that, should rishi sunak and the government have embraced the report, distanced themselves fully from borisjohnson and the verdict of the privileges committee report? you boris johnson and the verdict of the privileges committee report? you are a very exnerienced — privileges committee report? you are a very experienced political— a very experienced political reporter and commentator and you know very well that house matters are house matters. was a free vote. rishi sunak has been providing that leadership of the conservative party. i had well over 100 of my colleagues voted to support the report, it was the right thing to do, you and i know that i think it's absolutely right that rishi sunak is putting on a different style of leadership with integrity and

identify the priorities of this country. identify the priorities of this count . �* , ., identify the priorities of this count . �*, ., ., identify the priorities of this count . fl ., ., country. let's go to david wallace lockhart at _ country. let's go to david wallace lockhart at selby _ country. let's go to david wallace lockhart at selby and _ country. let's go to david wallace lockhart at selby and ainsty. - country. let's go to david wallace l lockhart at selby and ainsty. david, everyone busy behind you. yes. everyone busy behind you. yes, that's right- _ everyone busy behind you. yes, that's right. remember, - everyone busy behind you. yes, that's right. remember, a - everyone busy behind you. is: that's right. remember, a 20,000 plus majority being defended by the conservatives here, but labour do think they are in with a shot at taking the seat. the votes have been verified and what's taking place behind me quite rapidly is actually the counting of the votes. at this point we are trying to get a feel for what's going on, how it is looking for the parties. i'm glad to say we arejoined looking for the parties. i'm glad to say we are joined by andrewjones, conservative mp for the seat next door. andrew, how do you think tonight is going to go? i door. andrew, how do you think tonight is going to go?— tonight is going to go? i think it will be close. _ tonight is going to go? i think it will be close. it _ tonight is going to go? i think it will be close. it is _ tonight is going to go? i think it will be close. it is still - tonight is going to go? i think it will be close. it is still early - will be close. it is still early days, — will be close. it is still early days, we _ will be close. it is still early days, we have onlyjust have the verification, we don't have the turnout — verification, we don't have the turnout data are looking around its very hard _ turnout data are looking around its very hard to — turnout data are looking around its very hard to get any indication because — very hard to get any indication because there are so many candidates. but my gut feeling is that it _ candidates. but my gut feeling is that it will be close.—

candidates. but my gut feeling is that it will be close. 20,000 plus ma'ori , that it will be close. 20,000 plus majority. it _ that it will be close. 20,000 plus majority, it should _ that it will be close. 20,000 plus majority, it should be _ that it will be close. 20,000 plus majority, it should be a _ that it will be close. 20,000 plus majority, it should be a solidly i majority, it should be a solidly safe blue conservative seat, shouldn't it?— safe blue conservative seat, shouldn't it? j . ., . shouldn't it? by-elections are a difficult territory, _ shouldn't it? by-elections are a difficult territory, particularly i difficult territory, particularly difficult — difficult territory, particularly difficult when the sitting mp has been _ difficult when the sitting mp has been in — difficult when the sitting mp has been in power for difficult when the sitting mp has been in powerfora difficult when the sitting mp has been in power for a particularly long _ been in power for a particularly long time — been in power for a particularly long time and this is a very local by—election. i have been attending local by—elections for some decades and this— local by—elections for some decades and this feels quite different to others — and this feels quite different to others i — and this feels quite different to others i have attended and that difference is how local this is, and a local— difference is how local this is, and a local factor is the causal one here _ a local factor is the causal one here so— a local factor is the causal one here so i— a local factor is the causal one here so i think people are feeling disappointed with their previous mp standing _ disappointed with their previous mp standing down, walking away. that was nigel adams who stood down, speculation he would be on boris johnson's honours list, he wasn't, he stood down quickly after that. do you think people here feel disappointed with him? certainly, that is the feedback _ disappointed with him? certainly, that is the feedback i _ disappointed with him? certainly, that is the feedback i have - disappointed with him? certainly, that is the feedback i have had i disappointed with him? certainly, that is the feedback i have had on the doorstep and a widely held view. that will— the doorstep and a widely held view. that will depress the turnout a bit.

so there _ that will depress the turnout a bit. so there is— that will depress the turnout a bit. so there is a — that will depress the turnout a bit. so there is a big local factor in play — so there is a big local factor in .la . so there is a big local factor in play. do you feel disappointed with him, a conservative _ play. do you feel disappointed with him, a conservative colleague - him, a conservative colleague leaving his seat, with the cost of living crisis?— living crisis? yes, i do. i haven't seen nigel— living crisis? yes, i do. i haven't seen nigel since _ living crisis? yes, i do. i haven't seen nigel since he _ living crisis? yes, i do. i haven't seen nigel since he stood - living crisis? yes, i do. i haven't| seen nigel since he stood down, living crisis? yes, i do. i haven't- seen nigel since he stood down, but we came _ seen nigel since he stood down, but we came in— seen nigel since he stood down, but we came in together in 2010, he has done _ we came in together in 2010, he has done very— we came in together in 2010, he has done very well building a majority and a _ done very well building a majority and a popular figure done very well building a majority and a popularfigure in done very well building a majority and a popular figure in parliament so this— and a popular figure in parliament so this was— and a popular figure in parliament so this was a surprise and a disappointment.— so this was a surprise and a disappointment. so this was a surprise and a disa ointment. ., ., disappointment. one of the other candidates having _ disappointment. one of the other candidates having a _ disappointment. one of the other candidates having a bit _ disappointment. one of the other candidates having a bit of- disappointment. one of the other candidates having a bit of a - disappointment. one of the other candidates having a bit of a dig i disappointment. one of the other candidates having a bit of a dig at you. is that the sort of popularity the conservative party are feeling at the moment in this sort of area? is there a bit of hostility towards the party? i is there a bit of hostility towards the -a ? ., �* is there a bit of hostility towards thea ? . �* ., is there a bit of hostility towards thea ? . �* ._ ., . the party? i haven't really got that on the doorstep, _ the party? i haven't really got that on the doorstep, no, _ the party? i haven't really got that on the doorstep, no, in _ the party? i haven't really got that on the doorstep, no, in fact - the party? i haven't really got that on the doorstep, no, in fact it's i on the doorstep, no, in fact it's been _ on the doorstep, no, in fact it's been quite _ on the doorstep, no, in fact it's been quite friendly on the doorsteps. but the most prominent facts have _ doorsteps. but the most prominent facts have been the local causal factor— facts have been the local causal factor and — facts have been the local causal factor and concern about the economy _ factor and concern about the economy. is factor and concern about the economy-— factor and concern about the econom. , . . . ., factor and concern about the econom . , ., ., ., ., economy. is that an area where you were making _ economy. is that an area where you were making enough _ economy. is that an area where you were making enough progress? - economy. is that an area where you were making enough progress? it l economy. is that an area where you . were making enough progress? it does feel like the economic data slightly improve this week in terms of

inflation but perhaps not falling as fast as you want it, and are you being hit on the doorstep because of that? i being hit on the doorstep because of that? 4' being hit on the doorstep because of that? ~ , ., , ., that? i think people have endured, we are talking _ that? i think people have endured, we are talking three _ that? i think people have endured, we are talking three and _ that? i think people have endured, we are talking three and a - that? i think people have endured, we are talking three and a half- we are talking three and a half years— we are talking three and a half years of— we are talking three and a half years of covid and then the war. i think— years of covid and then the war. i think people know that we have had hu-e think people know that we have had huge international events, plague and war— huge international events, plague and war have always decimated economies. they are frustrated, they want things— economies. they are frustrated, they want things to come to an end and they want— want things to come to an end and they want to see the government on their side, _ they want to see the government on their side, which i think they have clearly— their side, which i think they have clearly seen, with the covid support and the _ clearly seen, with the covid support and the energy support, but they want _ and the energy support, but they want the — and the energy support, but they want the uncertainty to come to an end _ want the uncertainty to come to an end h— want the uncertainty to come to an end. �* , ., , want the uncertainty to come to an end. . , . , ., want the uncertainty to come to an end. m . , want the uncertainty to come to an end. . end. a phrase that has been cropping u . end. a phrase that has been cropping op recently. — end. a phrase that has been cropping op recently. and _ end. a phrase that has been cropping up recently, and some _ end. a phrase that has been cropping up recently, and some conservative l up recently, and some conservative sources talking about it, is the idea of long boris, people perhaps not happy with the performance of him as prime minister and perhaps liz truss' tenure as prime minister as well. is it still hurting the conservative party in seats like selby and ainsty?— conservative party in seats like selby and ainsty? well, i think the

olitical selby and ainsty? well, i think the political challenges _ selby and ainsty? well, i think the political challenges we _ selby and ainsty? well, i think the political challenges we have - selby and ainsty? well, i think the political challenges we have had, l political challenges we have had, all the _ political challenges we have had, all the peoples, will have had some impact, _ all the peoples, will have had some impact, but — all the peoples, will have had some impact, but the word boris has not really— impact, but the word boris has not really been — impact, but the word boris has not really been on the lips on the doorsteps i have been visiting in this campaign. but i think the impact — this campaign. but i think the impact really of the resignation and the economy, those are the two things— the economy, those are the two things that have been consistent. it's actually been quite a policy light— it's actually been quite a policy light by—elections. if it's actually been quite a policy light by-elections._ light by-elections. if the conservatives _ light by-elections. if the conservatives were - light by-elections. if the conservatives were to i light by-elections. if the l conservatives were to lose light by-elections. if the - conservatives were to lose all light by-elections. if the _ conservatives were to lose all three seats tonight, would be the first time a government has lost three by—elections in one night since 1968. if that happens, does rishi sunakjust get to carry on as normal or does something have to change at the top of the party? rishi or does something have to change at the top of the party?— the top of the party? rishi must car on the top of the party? rishi must carry on as _ the top of the party? rishi must carry on as normal _ the top of the party? rishi must carry on as normal because - the top of the party? rishi must carry on as normal because he l the top of the party? rishi must| carry on as normal because he is serving — carry on as normal because he is serving the — carry on as normal because he is serving the problems but it is a long. _ serving the problems but it is a long. hard _ serving the problems but it is a long, hard slog. five pledges he set have been— long, hard slog. five pledges he set have been right, they have chimed with my— have been right, they have chimed with my constituents, that certainly seems _ with my constituents, that certainly seems to— with my constituents, that certainly seems to be the case in my e—mail inbox' _ seems to be the case in my e—mail inbox, that— seems to be the case in my e—mail inbox, that has reflected that. but this has— inbox, that has reflected that. but this has been a policy light by

election _ this has been a policy light by election. but i have no doubt at all that if— election. but i have no doubt at all that if we — election. but i have no doubt at all that if we were drilling into policy, _ that if we were drilling into policy, those would be quite correct~ _ policy, those would be quite correct. it has been a long, hard slog _ correct. it has been a long, hard slog. people are feeling tired, they want to— slog. people are feeling tired, they want to see light at the end of the tunnel _ want to see light at the end of the tunnel. what does that mean in policy? — tunnel. what does that mean in policy? i— tunnel. what does that mean in policy? i think rishi is right, this is all— policy? i think rishi is right, this is all about— policy? i think rishi is right, this is all about delivery, and i think we will— is all about delivery, and i think we will hear more from him in the autumn— we will hear more from him in the autumn about vision for the future. we will— autumn about vision for the future. we will but — autumn about vision for the future. we will put you on the spot on live television, are the conservative party going to hold onto selby and ainsty tonight? i party going to hold onto selby and ainsty tonight?— ainsty tonight? i can't answer that because we _ ainsty tonight? i can't answer that because we don't _ ainsty tonight? i can't answer that because we don't know! _ ainsty tonight? i can't answer that because we don't know! i - ainsty tonight? i can't answer that| because we don't know! i sincerely hope _ because we don't know! i sincerely hope so, _ because we don't know! i sincerely hope so, of— because we don't know! i sincerely hope so, of course. everybody always travels _ hope so, of course. everybody always travels hopefully in the world of politics. — travels hopefully in the world of politics, but this is a very difficult _ politics, but this is a very difficult time, so i hope so. we have _ difficult time, so i hope so. we have certainly fought a good campaign with an excellent candidate. campaign with an excellent candidate-— campaign with an excellent candidate. ., ~' , ., , . campaign with an excellent candidate. ., ~' , . , candidate. thank you very much be “oininu candidate. thank you very much be joining us. — candidate. thank you very much be joining us, andrew— candidate. thank you very much be joining us, andrewjones. - candidate. thank you very much be joining us, andrewjones. a20 - candidate. thank you very much be l joining us, andrewjones. a20 8000 majority here for the conservatives in selby and ainsty but uncertainty with figures in the party. —— a 28,000 majority. it is not farfrom

the prime minister'sconstituency. counting under way, 13 candidates on the ballot paper, so could be quite a lot of counting ahead of us, and perhaps quite a late or early finish depending on how you look at it tomorrow morning.— depending on how you look at it tomorrow morning. thank you, david, a aood tomorrow morning. thank you, david, a noodt tomorrow morning. thank you, david, a good try to — tomorrow morning. thank you, david, a good try to get _ tomorrow morning. thank you, david, a good try to get a _ tomorrow morning. thank you, david, a good try to get a prediction. - tomorrow morning. thank you, david, a good try to get a prediction. are - a good try to get a prediction. are you going to hold selby and ainsty? it's going to be very close. between the conservatives and labour. do you think the conservatives _ the conservatives and labour. do you think the conservatives will _ the conservatives and labour. do you think the conservatives will hold - the conservatives and labour. do you think the conservatives will hold in i think the conservatives will hold in the end? i think the conservatives will hold in the end? . ., , think the conservatives will hold in the end? . . , think the conservatives will hold in theend? . . , �* the end? i certainly hope so. i'm told it is very _ the end? i certainly hope so. i'm told it is very competitive - the end? i certainly hope so. i'm told it is very competitive in - told it is very competitive in uxbridge as well. is told it is very competitive in uxbridge as well.— told it is very competitive in uxbridge as well. is one of the roblem uxbridge as well. is one of the problem is _ uxbridge as well. is one of the problem is the _ uxbridge as well. is one of the problem is the abrupt - uxbridge as well. is one of the problem is the abrupt nature l uxbridge as well. is one of the| problem is the abrupt nature in which nigel adams announced he was resigning after borisjohnson quit, and the privileges committee report was published and it was clear nigel adams wasn't going to be on the honours list? i adams wasn't going to be on the honours list?— honours list? i personally, as andrew has — honours list? i personally, as andrew has said, _ honours list? i personally, as andrew has said, i _ honours list? i personally, as andrew has said, i hear - honours list? i personally, as andrew has said, i hear from | honours list? i personally, as i andrew has said, i hear from all honours list? i personally, as - andrew has said, i hear from all of andrew has said, i hearfrom all of my colleagues that it's one of the

biggest issues on the doorsteps in selby, i don't think nigel should have quit, it was irresponsible. before we get to the news, the turnout. we have a couple of figures, natasha and john. in uxbridge and south ruislip, 46%. in somerton and frome, 44%. healthy? slightly more than usual in a by—election, so maybe the prominence of having _ by—election, so maybe the prominence of having all— by—election, so maybe the prominence of having all three on one day, and the media — of having all three on one day, and the media speculation, maybe that has raised — the media speculation, maybe that has raised it slightly. the worry for the — has raised it slightly. the worry for the tories going into this, that voters _ for the tories going into this, that voters would stay home, so the fact turnout _ voters would stay home, so the fact turnout is _ voters would stay home, so the fact turnout is up — voters would stay home, so the fact turnout is up is probably good for the conservatives. do turnout is up is probably good for the conservatives.— turnout is up is probably good for the conservatives. do you agree? yeah, and — the conservatives. do you agree? yeah, and if _ the conservatives. do you agree? yeah, and if it— the conservatives. do you agree? yeah, and if it is _ the conservatives. do you agree? yeah, and if it is the _ the conservatives. do you agree? yeah, and if it is the same - the conservatives. do you agree? yeah, and if it is the same in - yeah, and if it is the same in selby. — yeah, and if it is the same in selby. it's— yeah, and if it is the same in selby. it's a _ yeah, and if it is the same in selby, it's a difficult - yeah, and if it is the same in selby, it's a difficult task - yeah, and if it is the same in selby, it's a difficult task for| yeah, and if it is the same in. selby, it's a difficult task for the labour— selby, it's a difficult task for the labour party _ selby, it's a difficult task for the labour party. if— selby, it's a difficult task for the labour party. if they _ selby, it's a difficult task for the labour party. if they take - selby, it's a difficult task for the j labour party. if they take selby, selby, it's a difficult task for the i labour party. if they take selby, it would _ labour party. if they take selby, it would be _ labour party. if they take selby, it would be the — labour party. if they take selby, it would be the safest _ labour party. if they take selby, it would be the safest tory _ labour party. if they take selby, it would be the safest tory seat - would be the safest tory seat that labour _ would be the safest tory seat that labour have — would be the safest tory seat that labour have taken _ would be the safest tory seat that labour have taken in— would be the safest tory seat that labour have taken in a _ would be the safest tory seat that| labour have taken in a by—election since _ labour have taken in a by—election since the _ labour have taken in a by—election since the 1930s. _ labour have taken in a by—election since the 1930s. a _ labour have taken in a by—election since the 1930s. a massive - labour have taken in a by—election since the 1930s. a massive hill- labour have taken in a by—election since the 1930s. a massive hill to| since the 1930s. a massive hill to climb _ since the 1930s. a massive hill to climb and — since the 1930s. a massive hill to climb and if— since the 1930s. a massive hill to climb and if there _

since the 1930s. a massive hill to climb and if there is _ since the 1930s. a massive hill to climb and if there is a _ since the 1930s. a massive hill to climb and if there is a big - since the 1930s. a massive hill to| climb and if there is a big turnout, even _ climb and if there is a big turnout, even harder — climb and if there is a big turnout, even harder. gill— climb and if there is a big turnout, even harder-— even harder. all the parties have been working _ even harder. all the parties have been working very _ even harder. all the parties have been working very hard, - even harder. all the parties have been working very hard, but - even harder. all the parties have been working very hard, but it i even harder. all the parties have been working very hard, but it is| been working very hard, but it is pretty well the summer holidays. you might have thought people would have been away, natasha. yes. might have thought people would have been away, natasha.— been away, natasha. yes, a bit less parliamentary _ been away, natasha. yes, a bit less parliamentary business _ been away, natasha. yes, a bit less parliamentary business than - been away, natasha. yes, a bit less parliamentary business than some l parliamentary business than some conservative mps might have hoped for, conservative mps might have hoped for. a _ conservative mps might have hoped for, a couple of weeks ago, so a lot have _ for, a couple of weeks ago, so a lot have slipped — for, a couple of weeks ago, so a lot have slipped off the campaign hard in these _ have slipped off the campaign hard in these by—elections, and have been allowed _ in these by—elections, and have been allowed to— in these by—elections, and have been allowed to do so for a few weeks, but the _ allowed to do so for a few weeks, but the conservatives at a disadvantage in places like selby where _ disadvantage in places like selby where they didn't expect by—elections to take place. candidates in other areas have been campaigning there for far longer. national— campaigning there for far longer. national issues local issues? | national issues local issues? i think it's a bit of a mixture, particularly _ think it's a bit of a mixture, particularly in _ think it's a bit of a mixture, particularly in uxbridge - think it's a bit of a mixture, particularly in uxbridge andj think it's a bit of a mixture, - particularly in uxbridge and south ruislip, _ particularly in uxbridge and south ruislip, ulez— particularly in uxbridge and south ruislip, ulez has _ particularly in uxbridge and south ruislip, ulez has been _ particularly in uxbridge and south ruislip, ulez has been an- particularly in uxbridge and south ruislip, ulez has been an issue. i particularly in uxbridge and south. ruislip, ulez has been an issue. we will talk ruislip, ulez has been an issue. will talk about that in a bit more detail. before we go to the news, i would like to thank stephen hammond for being our guest for the first hour, because you are going to leave us in a few minutes. just to say that you are watching a bbc news by—election results programme with

me, jo coburn. we are hoping to get some results in the next few hours, by three o'clock in the morning, but before we come back to the studio, let's go to the news. of sitting conservative mps. labour are hoping to win in uxbridge and south ruislip — borisjohnson's old seat. our team on the ground are hearing they think they might declare ataround 3am. labour also want to take selby and ainsty the labour party chairwoman, annelise dodds, says for them to win it would require significant swings in their favour. the situation here of three constituencies that have never returned a labour mp, if labour were to earn an up spread, that would require bigger swing than women had in the 1997 landslide election. if we in selby and anstey it would

require the biggest swing to labour everin require the biggest swing to labour ever in a by—election so these are incredibly challenging elections for labour but i think the result one thing is very clear and it's been clear to me and i've been speaking with people on the doorstep that there will be people in this election who will be voting labour for the first time. they can see that keir starmer has turned the labor party around, that the labor party is in the service of working people and i think that will definitely be the case whatever the eventual result from these by—elections. conservative mp andrewjones, for the neighbouring constituency to selby and ainsty of harrogate and knaresborough, says he thinks the result there is going to be very close. obviously were defending the big majority and we know what the numbers are. but as well, this has been a period of extreme political turbulence and anything can happen in a by—election. it is midtown to that will be quite problematic as well, but who knows. we think it be

close. i've been out with local candidate, the conservative candidate, the conservative candidate, it's not good on the doorsteps but we are in strange times. it's hours until a result is officially declared but a liberal democrat spokesman has already claimed victory in somerton and frome saying they have "romped home". christine jardine, the party's spokesperson for women and equalities, is at the count. always in somerton as people are voting conservatives all their lives, they are fed up with this conservative government, the out of touch with the problems they face. with high mortgages, inflation which is still too high. that the nhs is in crisis. education is in crisis and that's what we're seeing here, people turning to the liberal democrats because they have run a fantastic campaign, she is from a local farming fantastic campaign, she is from a localfarming family and fantastic campaign, she is from a local farming family and they see the amount of work she has done. they know they were democrat mps

work for the community so what we have been seeming in somerton and froome is people that up with the conservative are looking for another and vcrs as an alternative. —— they see us. away from the byelections. the head of natwest has apologised to the former ukip leader, nigel farage, for comments made about him in the bank's official papers. dame alison rose called them "deeply inappropriate". mr farage said the apology was only a "start" after he claimed his account at coutts bank was closed because of his political views. it was always unapologetically from summoning the bank with 19 million customers so thank you for the apology but it feels ever so slightly forced. the treasury made her do this. i've no doubt about that i want to say that the rapid reaction we have had from the british government is superb, full marks to andrew griffiths the city minister. it also felt a bit like not me government. this committee, reputational of reputational committee were set up in the direct

result of her review in the back system into diversity so her to say what's been said here does not reflect the views of the bank, i am very sorry but it does. a walkout by senior doctors in england is causing serious disruption to the nhs, with most routine operations being cancelled. consultants are staging their most significant action since the 1970s in a dispute over pay. the british medical association labelled the government's 6% pay offer as derisory. ministers say the offer is fair. russia's foreign ministry has imposed tight travel restrictions on british diplomats working in the country. moscow says it's a response to the "hostile actions" of the uk government. it comes amid worsening relations between moscow and london following the invasion of ukraine. diplomats must give at least five days' notice and provide extensive travel details if they want to leave a 75—mile "free movement zone". only the british ambassador and three senior diplomats are exempt. staying with the war in ukraine. the united states has confirmed that us—supplied cluster bombs are being used in ukraine

as part of its offensive against the occupying russian forces. the national security advisor, john kirby, said initialfeedback from kyiv suggested the munitions were being utilised effectively and were already having an impact on russia's defensive lines. some nato members expressed concern over washington's decision to supply the weapons to kyiv. the bombs can kill indiscriminately over a wide area and are banned in more than a hundred countries. so a reminder of the main news. votes are being counted in three by—elections in england. our colleagues on the bbc news website and app have a live page up and running ahead of the declarations. i'll be back with an update later. now back to you, jo.

you are watching a bbc news by—election result programme with me, jo coburn. the first time 11 years we've had three must minister by—elections on three days. there uxbridge and south ruislip in 11 years we've had three must minister by—elections on three days. there oxbridge and south ruislip and north london, somerton and froome in somerset and selby and ainsty, north yorkshire. thanks forjoining us as we reflect, however the results. we alive at all three counts. and we will have expert analysis here in westminster from professor sirjohn curtis and within the studio this hour is our panel, conservative mps robert buckman, labour's and debonair. and the daily miller was political editorjon stevens and natasha clark, chief medical correspondent at the sun. welcome to all of you. we'll go live two or three counts but of all let's introduce properly and establish on the programme is the robert buckland. welcome. we talked on the

first hour about the nervousness that's being felt amongst your colleagues, and unsurprisingly. if you lose all three seats they are three very different constituencies, spread across the county, country, i should say, and will be overturning into of them big healthy majorities. will you start to consider in terms of survivalfor tory mps will you start to consider in terms of survival for tory mps if that happens? i of survival for tory mps if that happens?— of survival for tory mps if that ha ens? ~' ., , of survival for tory mps if that ha ens? ,, ., , . happens? i think tonight will be a very difficult _ happens? i think tonight will be a very difficult night. _ happens? i think tonight will be a very difficult night. the _ very difficult night. the circumstances of the by—elections are perfectly tough of the government, governments and by—election are not necessarily a great mix. by-election are not necessarily a great mix— by-election are not necessarily a treat mix. ., ._ , ., great mix. tonight may well prove that. rishi sunak _ great mix. tonight may well prove that. rishi sunak is _ great mix. tonight may well prove that. rishi sunak is a _ great mix. tonight may well prove that. rishi sunak is a relatively i that. rishi sunak is a relatively new leader. he was going to establish a different kind of government with accountability and credibility and integrity? i government with accountability and credibility and integrity?— credibility and integrity? i don't think he is _ credibility and integrity? i don't think he is to _ credibility and integrity? i don't think he is to be _ credibility and integrity? i don't think he is to be blamed - credibility and integrity? i don't think he is to be blamed for- credibility and integrity? i don'tj think he is to be blamed for the circumstances of these by—elections but these are particularly unfortunate circumstances for the government. and that matt wright needs to be understood. remember what he is doing, he has been in for nine months, set his five

priorities, right priorities for the country, following through on a tough set of plans that reflect the concerns of the people of our country. concerns of the people of our count . ., . , ., , country. from a previous conservative _ country. from a previousl conservative government. country. from a previous - conservative government. by conservative government. b1: reflecting the conservative government. b1 reflecting the fact like many other countries we are facing severe headwinds and inflation is particularly stubborn as we discussed yesterday on your programme. here we are in the middle of the night, you have me out of bed talk about important by—elections. why am i here? i care and want to hear what people are saying and we're going to reflect on what people say and will act on their concerns follow through on the plan of the premise stuff. to concerns follow through on the plan of the premise stuff.— of the premise stuff. to people of the majorities _ of the premise stuff. to people of the majorities being _ of the premise stuff. to people of the majorities being defended. i the majorities being defended. uxbridge and south ruislip was the seat of the former prime minister borisjohnson. in somerton and froome, somerset in the south—west, we have had manure and her colleagues and leaders of the liver democrat saying we've got it.

and selby and ainsty, the most difficult for labour, hoping to take it, that seat in north yorkshire. it is not in the top target for labour but would have course be a real coup for the labor party, it would not mean though that your chances have vastly increased in a general election if it is in a year. it is election if it is in a year. it is amazing _ election if it is in a year. it is amazing that _ election if it is in a year. it is amazing that we're - election if it is in a year. it is amazing that we're that i election if it is in a year. it is amazing that we're that selby and ainsty— amazing that we're that selby and ainsty are — amazing that we're that selby and ainsty are possible for the labor party _ ainsty are possible for the labor party. people have worked hard but as you _ party. people have worked hard but as you said — party. people have worked hard but as you said it wasn't even on ellis canal— as you said it wasn't even on ellis canal wielding a swing big in nationally in the 1997 election which — nationally in the 1997 election which resulted in a labour i will majority — which resulted in a labour i will majority. richey has only been in nine _ majority. richey has only been in nine months but he was in the previous— nine months but he was in the previous government! notjust as not just as any other minister, chancellor— not just as any other minister, chancellor of the exchequer and i know, _ chancellor of the exchequer and i know. we — chancellor of the exchequer and i know, i've heard tory people come

here tonight and say it's the war, the covid, — here tonight and say it's the war, the covid, we have had 13 years of underfunding public services, posterity the left a public services in no _ posterity the left a public services in no fit _ posterity the left a public services in no fit state to cope with covid and then — in no fit state to cope with covid and then a — in no fit state to cope with covid and then a budget last year which showed _ and then a budget last year which showed the public what the tories think— showed the public what the tories think of— showed the public what the tories think of public money and it showed the public— think of public money and it showed the public that you would rather -ive the public that you would rather give a _ the public that you would rather give a massive tax break to the very richest _ give a massive tax break to the very richest and — give a massive tax break to the very richest and actually do with what's really _ richest and actually do with what's really happening to people up and down _ really happening to people up and down the — really happening to people up and down the country. you say you know what _ down the country. you say you know what the _ down the country. you say you know what the issues are and yet you put up what the issues are and yet you put up people's— what the issues are and yet you put up people's mortgages by spending money— up people's mortgages by spending money that you didn't have and still aren't— money that you didn't have and still aren't over— money that you didn't have and still aren't over it because you haven't even _ aren't over it because you haven't even got — aren't over it because you haven't even got a — aren't over it because you haven't even got a plan for how your behaviour— even got a plan for how your behaviour nhs workforce. let robert ansar— behaviour nhs workforce. let robert ansar crosstalk. scrap _ ansar crosstalk. scrap the super tax break for the super— scrap the super tax break for the super rich — scrap the super tax break for the super rich and actually pay for it properly — super rich and actually pay for it ro erl . ~ ., super rich and actually pay for it --roerl .~ ., , super rich and actually pay for it n-roerl ., ., , ., �*, super rich and actually pay for it n-roerl ., ., , �*, properly. what is labour's plan, when week _ properly. what is labour's plan, when week is — properly. what is labour's plan, when week is 28 _ properly. what is labour's plan, when week is 28 million - properly. what is labour's plan, when week is 28 million on i properly. what is labour's plan, | when week is 28 million on green economy, the next week it's not, one week increasing benefits, next week the crosstalk. you are flip—flopping all over the

place, crosstalk. you are nowhere near. ~ , ., you are nowhere near. why you do with public— you are nowhere near. why you do with public money? _ you are nowhere near. why you do with public money? is _ you are nowhere near. why you do with public money? is it _ you are nowhere near. why you do with public money? is it right i you are nowhere near. why you do with public money? is it right that| with public money? is it right that you took— with public money? is it right that you took a — with public money? is it right that you took a severance payment of a £16,000 _ you took a severance payment of a £16,000 for your 16 weeks as welsh secretary? _ £16,000 for your 16 weeks as welsh secreta ? ., �* , £16,000 for your 16 weeks as welsh secreta ? . �*, , , . £16,000 for your 16 weeks as welsh secreta ? ,. ., , . secretary? that's public money. i am deel secretary? that's public money. i am deeply disappointed _ secretary? that's public money. i am deeply disappointed you _ secretary? that's public money. i am deeply disappointed you out - secretary? that's public money. i am deeply disappointed you out to i secretary? that's public money. i am deeply disappointed you out to me i deeply disappointed you out to me about that. we should talk about the record number of people in employment in this country, the fact they conservative government hasn't once again, unlike labour government increased employment and that's the way to get people out of poverty. labour government crosstalk. i listening to what people are saying — i listening to what people are saying we are listening carefully and that's why the promised apps five priorities are right. we and that's why the promised apps five priorities are right.— five priorities are right. we are auoin to five priorities are right. we are going to look... _ five priorities are right. we are going to look... you _ five priorities are right. we are going to look... you are i five priorities are right. we are i going to look... you are indulging in a personal— going to look... you are indulging in a personal attack— going to look... you are indulging in a personal attack on _ going to look... you are indulging in a personal attack on me, i in a personal attack on me, disappointing. we in a personal attack on me, disappointing.— in a personal attack on me, disappointing. we will cut both - led . es disappointing. we will cut both pledges of _ disappointing. we will cut both pledges of rishi _ disappointing. we will cut both pledges of rishi sunak - disappointing. we will cut both pledges of rishi sunak and - disappointing. we will cut both . pledges of rishi sunak and cueist, disappointing. we will cut both - pledges of rishi sunak and cueist, i want to come to you in the end what

you wanted you pick the tories out. what would you do, how far would you go in working with labour, in general election to pull resources to make sure you get robert's party out? figs to make sure you get robert's party out? �* , �* , , out? as we've seen in these bit-elections _ out? as we've seen in these by-elections and _ out? as we've seen in these by-elections and local - out? as we've seen in these - by-elections and local elections at by—elections and local elections at most _ by—elections and local elections at most elections _ by—elections and local elections at most elections we _ by—elections and local elections at most elections we put _ by—elections and local elections at most elections we put up - by—elections and local elections at . most elections we put up candidates in every— most elections we put up candidates in every constituency _ most elections we put up candidates in every constituency in _ most elections we put up candidates in every constituency in the - most elections we put up candidates in every constituency in the countryl in every constituency in the country as far_ in every constituency in the country as far as— in every constituency in the country as far as we — in every constituency in the country as far as we are _ in every constituency in the country as far as we are able _ in every constituency in the country as far as we are able to. _ in every constituency in the country as far as we are able to. i - in every constituency in the country as far as we are able to. i am“ - as far as we are able to. i am talkin: as far as we are able to. i am talking about _ as far as we are able to. i am talking about resources - as far as we are able to. i am talking about resources and l as far as we are able to. i am i talking about resources and we as far as we are able to.“ talking about resources and we can focus your efforts. it is talking about resources and we can focus your efforts.— focus your efforts. it is nothing that is a smaller— focus your efforts. it is nothing that is a smaller party - focus your efforts. it is nothing that is a smaller party we - focus your efforts. it is nothing l that is a smaller party we target our resources _ that is a smaller party we target our resources in _ that is a smaller party we target our resources in areas _ that is a smaller party we target our resources in areas we - that is a smaller party we target our resources in areas we thinkl that is a smaller party we target. our resources in areas we think we can lend — our resources in areas we think we can lend sadly— our resources in areas we think we can lend sadly we _ our resources in areas we think we can lend. sadly we operate - our resources in areas we think we can lend. sadly we operate in - our resources in areas we think we can lend. sadly we operate in an. can lend. sadly we operate in an environment _ can lend. sadly we operate in an environment where _ can lend. sadly we operate in an environment where we - can lend. sadly we operate in an environment where we are - can lend. sadly we operate in an environment where we are firstl can lend. sadly we operate in an- environment where we are first past the post— environment where we are first past the post and — environment where we are first past the post and therefore _ environment where we are first past the post and therefore we _ environment where we are first past the post and therefore we have - environment where we are first past the post and therefore we have to l the post and therefore we have to target _ the post and therefore we have to target our — the post and therefore we have to target our resources _ the post and therefore we have to target our resources because - the post and therefore we have to. target our resources because that's when we went seats and _ target our resources because that's when we went seats and more - target our resources because that's when we went seats and more in i when we went seats and more in parliament — when we went seats and more in parliament and _ when we went seats and more in parliament and have _ when we went seats and more in parliament and have more - when we went seats and more in| parliament and have more liberal democrats — parliament and have more liberal democrats representing - parliament and have more liberal democrats representing the - parliament and have more liberal- democrats representing the community standing _ democrats representing the community standing up _ democrats representing the community standing up to— democrats representing the community standing up to the — democrats representing the community standing up to the communities - democrats representing the community standing up to the communities in - standing up to the communities in parliament, — standing up to the communities in parliament, challenging _ standing up to the communities in parliament, challenging the - parliament, challenging the government _ parliament, challenging the government. we _ parliament, challenging the government. we will- parliament, challenging the . government. we will continue parliament, challenging the - government. we will continue to do that _ government. we will continue to do that will— government. we will continue to do that. will focus _ government. we will continue to do that. will focus our— government. we will continue to do that. will focus our resources - government. we will continue to do that. will focus our resources in - that. will focus our resources in places— that. will focus our resources in places like — that. will focus our resources in places like wimbledon - that. will focus our resources in places like wimbledon and - that. will focus our resources in - places like wimbledon and winchester at guiidford _ places like wimbledon and winchester

at guildford and _ places like wimbledon and winchester at guildford and cheadle _ places like wimbledon and winchester at guildford and cheadle and - at guildford and cheadle and harrigan— at guildford and cheadle and harrigan and _ at guildford and cheadle and harrigan and so _ at guildford and cheadle and harrigan and so on. - at guildford and cheadle and harrigan and so on. the - at guildford and cheadle and harrigan and so on. the year, the tories, harrigan and so on. the year, the tories. is — harrigan and so on. the year, the tories, is this _ harrigan and so on. the year, the tories, is this now _ harrigan and so on. the year, the tories, is this now a _ harrigan and so on. the year, the tories, is this now a recognition l tories, is this now a recognition that you really are fighting on all fronts because you've got the liberal democrats here who are absolutely convinced although don't have the result that they are back, in the south—west, whether pretty well obliterated. then we have the labour party, selby and ainsty is not the red claw, they were traditionally held by a labour. whatever labour took that, all seats of honourable? i whatever labour took that, all seats of honourable?— of honourable? i readily accept the fact this is a _ of honourable? i readily accept the fact this is a challenging _ fact this is a challenging conference. it of the tories a long time to win the south—west but from the liberal democrats many years, we didn't get a majority in 2010 because they held on the south—west. that's changed. he somerton and froome seat was liberal until 2016. selby has better than tories because of the hinterland of harrogate but this selby said was hot by labour

until 2010. this selby said was hot by labour until2010. belmont this selby said was hot by labour until 2010. belmont minimise the fact that selby would be a significant result. of course, but at same time the idea that somehow you're sitting here complacently twiddling ourfunds you're sitting here complacently twiddling our funds and you're sitting here complacently twiddling ourfunds and everything will be fine, not a bit of it. it’s will be fine, not a bit of it. it's time to give — will be fine, not a bit of it. it's time to give up. _ will be fine, not a bit of it. it's time to give up. not _ will be fine, not a bit of it. it's time to give up. not all, - will be fine, not a bit of it. it's time to give up. not all, now. will be fine, not a bit of it. it's| time to give up. not all, now is will be fine, not a bit of it. it's - time to give up. not all, now is the time to give up. not all, now is the time we have _ time to give up. not all, now is the time we have about _ time to give up. not all, now is the time we have about what _ time to give up. not all, now is the time we have about what you - time to give up. not all, now is the time we have about what you have | time we have about what you have about fighting, with a positive set of policies feminist apps priorities are right and hillside out his vision for our country in the autumn when we come back from the recess that i confident he'll do that. hagar that i confident he'll do that. how difficult is this _ that i confident he'll do that. how difficult is this rishi _ that i confident he'll do that. how difficult is this rishi sunak because where and how would you focus election campaign if all three go this evening because we got the south—west, selby and ainsty, london broadly as a labour city, as a labour mayor, but the outer london borough tullymorgan subject. how would you focus focus that campaign? it's tricky but it's always been aware welsh conservatives are bringing the college together with boris johnson's 2019

bringing the college together with borisjohnson's 2019 coalitions he had the redwall, brexit. that boris johnson's 2019 coalitions he had the redwall, brexit. that was the first time _ had the redwall, brexit. that was the first time the _ had the redwall, brexit. that was the first time the tories _ had the redwall, brexit. that was the first time the tories got - had the redwall, brexit. that was the first time the tories got the l the first time the tories got the red and all the traditional labour heartlands. i red and all the traditional labour heartlands— heartlands. i don't think rishi sunak can _ heartlands. i don't think rishi sunak can rely _ heartlands. i don't think rishi sunak can rely on _ heartlands. i don't think rishi sunak can rely on the - heartlands. i don't think rishi sunak can rely on the same i heartlands. i don't think rishi - sunak can rely on the same boat, it's fragmenting at the seams, not going to be easy for him to bring those blue wall people from one side and the redwall people from the other side and rishi sunak does have a seat in yorkshire but it's not traditional redwall seat, he is not campaigner, he has got weaknesses in that that hill phase really tricky task to bring all those people together at any strategy, but yes, he has to come back as robert says, in the autumn with some sort of vision that does try to marry all these parts of the tory party and these parts of the tory party and these parts of the tory party and these parts of the country together and forget about scotland. we will come onto scotland a little later on, we not there this evening in terms of the by—elections. it has potentially change things for the party and they will no doubt be

optimistic about getting more seats at a general election. the issue for keir starmer, part for the fact that there doesn't seem to be an overwhelming lovely as a leader, we will look at the leader approval lead —— ratings, it seems that the lead —— ratings, it seems that the lead is very much playing it safe, they will stick to the same broadly school plans of the they willjust do it better. theyjust going to be nice about it. is that going to be enough? nice about it. is that going to be enouuh? ., . ., , ., , enough? you clearly have some people within the party — enough? you clearly have some people within the party who _ enough? you clearly have some people within the party who want _ enough? you clearly have some people within the party who want the - enough? you clearly have some people within the party who want the party - within the party who want the party to go— within the party who want the party to go much— within the party who want the party to go much further. we had the row over the _ to go much further. we had the row over the last — to go much further. we had the row over the last couple of weeks with the two _ over the last couple of weeks with the two child limit. but if they were — the two child limit. but if they were coming up with all these sort of unfunded promises then they wouldn't — of unfunded promises then they wouldn't have any kind of proper message — wouldn't have any kind of proper message to sell to the country at all and _ message to sell to the country at all and then you would have the whole _ all and then you would have the whole thing destroyed. a member when jeremy— whole thing destroyed. a member when jeremy corbyn was running for election— jeremy corbyn was running for election he promised all sorts of things. — election he promised all sorts of things. he — election he promised all sorts of things, he promised they would spend millions— things, he promised they would spend millions on— things, he promised they would spend millions on the waspi women and no-one _ millions on the waspi women and no—one voted for it because even if they wanted those policies theyjust didn't— they wanted those policies theyjust didn't think it was going to happen. so i didn't think it was going to happen. so i think— didn't think it was going to happen. so i think parties did suddenly

start— so i think parties did suddenly start promising these things that all start promising these things that ait of— start promising these things that all of their members want. if nobody betieves— all of their members want. if nobody believes they are going to deliver it is completely pointless. let�*s it is completely pointless. let's underline some _ it is completely pointless. let's underline some of _ it is completely pointless. let's underline some of the - it is completely pointless. let�*s underline some of the things you have been saying. the leader approval ratings, we can show you here. they're not great for any of them, they are particularly poor for rishi sunak, and minus figures of 26. they have worsened somewhat for him. he was more popular than his party at one stage. keir starmer is still —4%. the party actually being more popular than him. and ed davey also —5%. it is not very inspiring, is it? they will come back to robert in a minute. it is not very inspiring looking at the leader approval ratings if you think back to tony blair's approval ratings backin to tony blair's approval ratings back in 1996, leading into 1987, it was a world away. find back in 1996, leading into 1987, it was a world away.— back in 1996, leading into 1987, it was a world away. and we have got a was a world away. and we have got a wa to no was a world away. and we have got a way to go until _ was a world away. and we have got a way to go until the _ was a world away. and we have got a way to go until the general _ way to go until the general election. and for the signs were hearing at the moment it could be at

least a year. people are getting to know the labour party in its new form that keir starmer has led us into. we talk back seats of wakefield last year and we are making gains across councils earlier this year. took a lot of seeds back in swindon, for instance... and in swindon, for instance... and ou've in swindon, for instance... and you've lost _ in swindon, for instance... and you've lost want _ in swindon, for instance... and you've lost want tonight. we have gained, _ you've lost want tonight. we have gained, conservatives have gained a from labour. sill gained, conservatives have gained a from labour-— from labour. all right, well done, done, from labour. all right, well done, done. robert- _ from labour. all right, well done, done, robert. however— from labour. all right, well done, done, robert. however we - from labour. all right, well done, done, robert. however we did - from labour. all right, well done, i done, robert. however we did take back control — done, robert. however we did take back control of _ done, robert. however we did take back control of the _ done, robert. however we did take back control of the council - done, robert. however we did take back control of the council after - done, robert. however we did take back control of the council after 20 | back control of the council after 20 odd years. and that was quite something. but odd years. and that was quite something-— something. but this is about personal- -- _ something. but this is about personal... can _ something. but this is about personal... can you - something. but this is about personal... can you win - something. but this is about - personal. .. can you win elections personal... can you win elections without having a positive leader approval rating? keir without having a positive leader approval rating?— without having a positive leader approval rating? keir starmer has worked so hard _ approval rating? keir starmer has worked so hard at _ approval rating? keir starmer has worked so hard at turning - approval rating? keir starmer has worked so hard at turning around| approval rating? keir starmer has i worked so hard at turning around the labour party and now because of his leadership there in the state where people actually listening to what have got to offer... fir people actually listening to what have got to offer. . ._ have got to offer... or is it because — have got to offer... or is it because the _ have got to offer... or is it because the conservatives | have got to offer... or is it. because the conservatives are have got to offer... or is it - because the conservatives are in such a mess? i because the conservatives are in such a mess?— because the conservatives are in suchamess? ., �* ,, . ., such a mess? i don't think so. what i aet such a mess? i don't think so. what i net on such a mess? i don't think so. what i get on the — such a mess? i don't think so. what i get on the doorstep _ such a mess? i don't think so. what i get on the doorstep as _ such a mess? i don't think so. what i get on the doorstep as people - such a mess? i don't think so. what i get on the doorstep as people who are fed up with the conservatives but also listening to what we have to offer and they know our commitment to fiscal discipline is

important because without it we are nothing. they have had to pay the price for tory chaos over the past year and that tory chaos came at a real cost for working people with their mortgages and rents coming up as a direct result of that tory mini budget last autumn. haifa as a direct result of that tory mini budget last autumn.— budget last autumn. how do you exlain budget last autumn. how do you exulain the _ budget last autumn. how do you explain the personal— budget last autumn. how do you explain the personal negative . budget last autumn. how do you i explain the personal negative rating for ed davey, that makes it difficult for you? i for ed davey, that makes it difficult for you?— for ed davey, that makes it difficult for you? i think the challenges _ difficult for you? i think the challenges outside - difficult for you? i think the challenges outside of - difficult for you? i think the challenges outside of an . difficult for you? i think the - challenges outside of an election is so difficult for ad and the party to break—in... he so difficult for ad and the party to break-in- - -_ break-in... he has been around a lona break-in... he has been around a long time. _ break-in... he has been around a long time, without _ break-in... he has been around a long time, without saying - break-in... he has been around a long time, without saying a - break-in... he has been around a long time, without saying a ms i long time, without saying a ms longley too, and he was in the coalition government.— coalition government. let's be clear, coalition government. let's be clear. the _ coalition government. let's be clear. the way _ coalition government. let's be clear, the way our— coalition government. let's be clear, the way our politics - coalition government. let's be clear, the way our politics is l clear, the way our politics is structured and the way the media cover our politics outside of election time is very much on the democrat party basis, when we get our fair democrat party basis, when we get ourfair share democrat party basis, when we get ourfairshare of democrat party basis, when we get ourfair share of courage democrat party basis, when we get our fair share of courage at election time you see that changing you see that shift when it comes to general election and you have these prime ministerial debate and so on, thatis prime ministerial debate and so on, that is when our leader gets the exposure to put themselves forward and i expect you will get a different number. bill

and i expect you will get a different number. all right. alle . inc different number. all right. alleging it _ different number. all right. alleging it will _ different number. all right. alleging it will be _ different number. all right. alleging it will be a - different number. all right. | alleging it will be a positive rating for ed davey. we go to the north yorkshire sea. david, we were talking earlier about the rather dropped departure of the former mp nigel adams. how much of an impact you think that has had in the seat in the constituency?— in the constituency? yeah, nigel adams was _ in the constituency? yeah, nigel adams was of— in the constituency? yeah, nigel adams was of course _ in the constituency? yeah, nigel adams was of course a _ in the constituency? yeah, nigel adams was of course a close - in the constituency? yeah, nigel adams was of course a close ally in the constituency? yeah, nigel i adams was of course a close ally of borisjohnson, when the results of the news floating out about those borisjohnson try the news floating out about those boris johnson try to the news floating out about those borisjohnson try to send to the house of lords in his resignation honours, he was one of those. behind the scenes there seem to be disagreement when it came to sitting mps and how easily they could go sit in the house of lords and it was something and that didn't happen and after borisjohnson announced he was standing down it was the next day that nigel adams said he was going to go as well. we spoke earlier on this evening with andrewjones,

conservative mp from the constituency next door here in north yorkshire, and he was saying that there were people on the doorstep who were disappointed with the fact that nigel adams had stood down, it is of course a difficult time, the cost of living problems, a time when people want to have representation in parliament and the fact that they have been without an mp for a while while this by—election was taking place was something he suggested was playing on the doorstep. now, that is not to say for a moment that that has been the one and only issue in this by—election. as you'd expect, like anywhere in the country, with problems of cost of living, getting an nhs gp appointment or a visit to the dentist, problems with public transport, all these sort of factors have been coming up in this by—election campaign and that's perhaps why, with those difficulties facing the government at the moment, despite rishi sunak�*s five pledges and promises to deal with those, thatis and promises to deal with those, that is perhaps why we're talking

about with a 20,000 plus conservative majority as being —— has been conservative since 2010, essentially turning red tonight. yes, obviously labour are getting a hearing. we have been discussing in the studio, it is a real challenge for labour to take this sea. telle is a little bit about the candidate, the labour candidate and what the focus has been of that campaign. well, the candidate for labour here is another keir, his name is here maeva. he has worked previously for wes streeting, the labour mp, if he did become the mp tonight and go to the house of commons he would take up the house of commons he would take up the mantle of what is known as beauty of the house, a slightly patronising term but it means essentially that someone is the youngest mp in the house of commons, that would be him atjust 25 youngest mp in the house of commons, that would be him at just 25 years old. he has been talking about problems people have been facing with the cost of living here and he

is someone who is quite regularly about disappointment with the former conservative mp nigel adams standing down in the middle of a parliamentary term. you would think as the opposition party is quite an easy thing to try to latch onto in terms to try to leak of some support from the conservative party, but it's an interesting thing here in cell ben ainslie, it has been conservative since 2010. before that, under slightly different parliamentary boundaries, it was a labour seat, so it has been the kind of seed in recent years that has elected an mp that has kind of gone on to be part of the party that has formed then as government. by—election is a very different beasts from general elections, it is possible someone could get elected tonight and at the general election ultimately lose their status as an mp, lose their seats, ultimately lose their status as an mp, lose theirseats, because by—elections can sometimes be slightly strange on that front. but i'm sure sir keir starmer will be looking closely at what is going on

in cell ben ainslie and if labour managed to overturn the 20,000 plus majority that will be the biggest majority that will be the biggest majority they have ever, as a party, overturned in a by—election, if they manage to do that i am sure he will be looking at that as a signpost eventually that he is doing something that could see him be in downing street in the near future. when it comes to target seats for labour in the next general election, cell ben ainslie isn't really one of them, labour could get a comfortable majority without even winning in areas like this.— areas like this. david, thank you very much- _ areas like this. david, thank you very much- let _ areas like this. david, thank you very much. let us _ areas like this. david, thank you very much. let us catch - areas like this. david, thank you very much. let us catch up - areas like this. david, thank you very much. let us catch up with | very much. let us catch up with jenny coomber at somerton and frome in somerset. hello to you. confidence brimming overfor the confidence brimming over for the liberal confidence brimming overfor the liberal democrats. we may be some time off an actual result. are you sensing that there as well? yes. time off an actual result. are you sensing that there as well? yes, the confidence continues. _ sensing that there as well? yes, the confidence continues. however, - sensing that there as well? yes, the confidence continues. however, we| confidence continues. however, we may see a result quite soon, a lot sooner than we were expecting, within the hour is what we're being told. as you can see, the

candidates' names are being put up on the tables and boats are being put alongside them. but they have won a very, they have thrown everything at this campaign, the lib dem leader has been in the constituency six times and perhaps he will be here tomorrow pulling off another stone.— another stone. yes, well, indeed. maneiro wilson _ another stone. yes, well, indeed. maneiro wilson here _ another stone. yes, well, indeed. maneiro wilson here is _ another stone. yes, well, indeed. maneiro wilson here is very - another stone. yes, well, indeed. i maneiro wilson here is very hopeful. we can see people crowding around the tables trying to get a sense of the tables trying to get a sense of the votes piling up. telle is a little about the liberal democrat candidate since she could very well be the next mp.— be the next mp. yes, so she is a counsellor. _ be the next mp. yes, so she is a counsellor, she _ be the next mp. yes, so she is a counsellor, she was _ be the next mp. yes, so she is a counsellor, she was elected - be the next mp. yes, so she is a| counsellor, she was elected onto somerset council and she has made very much about her local roots, a farmer's daughter, someone who has lived in the area and very much well—established here. one of the

things she has been saying is because david warburton, the conservative mp, he became an independent when he was investigated, she has been saying that basically a lot of people have been coming to her and she has been helping local people with their issues. a big thrust of her campaign issues. a big thrust of her campaign is that she already is kind of on the ground plugged in with people, able to help them out. the conservatives here tonight, not surprisingly, are a bit more subdued. we have heard tonight from the conservative group leader on the council, david fothergill, he said tonight is a tough night, he is disappointed that the lib dems declared so early. he is also said he thinks what is up in here is down to a peculiar set of local circumstances, the fact that you had david warburton, the local mp, going row, to use his words, and facing serious accusations. he said

tonight's performance isn't necessarily a reflection of our the conservative party is seen nationally. conservative party is seen nationally-— conservative party is seen nationally. conservative party is seen nationall. , , ., nationally. jenny coomber there at somerton and _ nationally. jenny coomber there at somerton and frome, _ nationally. jenny coomber there at somerton and frome, thank- nationally. jenny coomber there at somerton and frome, thank you i nationally. jenny coomber there at i somerton and frome, thank you with the latest. we might get a result there within an hour, it may be relatively early in project cinzia forget that they help us to. let's see what happens let's go to uxbridge, shaun ley is there. hello to you. i don't know whether you have got any predictions of a result. you have. we also have turnout figures for the constituency. give us the latest. the turnout for guy can give you is 46.23%. not bad for a by—election by any means. that means 301002 macro citizens turned out to the polling stations or put in their postal votes or got them voted by proxy.

those who turned up turned up with their id and that was the result. —— 30,002. you can see behind me that the county has come to a stop. i am told by a little bit that may be the declaration is not very far off. we have to look for is a man called lloyd white, lloyd white is the returning officer here. at the moment he has his collar open. when he puts his tie on that will be a sign he is going to summon the candidates for them to be given the provisional results. if at that point the candidate subject then we could be into a recount. if it is very tight there are certain criteria that they are allowed to object by. so the type might come off, in other words, object by. so the type might come off, in otherwords, it object by. so the type might come off, in other words, it was case you can all relax and we can all sit tight for another half—an—hour, hour, hour and tight for another half—an—hour, hour, hourand a half, however, if the tie stays on then the next stage is lining them up in alphabetical order to get them to drip onto the stage behind me and then we will have the result. so we could be in a

bit of a race to the finish with somerton and frome here. who would have thought it?— have thought it? absolutely. i am gobsmacked _ have thought it? absolutely. i am gobsmacked there _ have thought it? absolutely. i am gobsmacked there could - have thought it? absolutely. i am gobsmacked there could be - have thought it? absolutely. i am gobsmacked there could be somej gobsmacked there could be some relatively early results. you keep an eye on that tie going off or on or staying off. and briefly, there are a lot of candidates in uxbridge and south ruislip.— are a lot of candidates in uxbridge and south ruislip. there are are 70 candidates- — and south ruislip. there are are 70 candidates. one _ and south ruislip. there are are 70 candidates. one thing _ and south ruislip. there are are 70 candidates. one thing to _ and south ruislip. there are are 70 candidates. one thing to say - and south ruislip. there are are 70 candidates. one thing to say is - and south ruislip. there are are 70 candidates. one thing to say is the| candidates. one thing to say is the campaign seems to be shifting from a law and order campaign, which was running in the first waitui campaign about the low —— ultra low emission zone. that is the london mayor policy. that has forced the candidate danny bills to say i am sort of in favour of it but not now. he is campaigning as his own party. they can't help thinking, as you will recall, there was a by—election here in 1997 where labour tied one arm behind his own back by dumping the local candidate and imposing a blairite candidate. the subsequent row diminish the chances of labour

pulling off a win in a by—election. they had won a landslide, they were much further ahead in the polls than they are now yet they failed to win this seat. slightly different boundaries, it was uxbridge rather than uxbridge and south ruislip. that might explain why labour has not been too optimistic right now and why the tories think there is a little possibility that they might defy the sceptics and pull off what would be a win, but only a very narrow one. but nobody really wants to call it. , , ., to call it. very interesting from sean lane _ to call it. very interesting from sean lane uxbridge _ to call it. very interesting from sean lane uxbridge and - to call it. very interesting from sean lane uxbridge and south| to call it. very interesting from - sean lane uxbridge and south ruislip ridge. with three pictures from somerton and frome if we go back we see liberal democrats gathering have taken down some of their actual posters but they whether a moment ago was not the posters and gathering which may lie in results perhaps is not that far off all that they are just supremely confident and they are just thought of gathering the trips ahead of the

returning officer announcing that there is an outcome, result in a constituency of somerton and frome. we will of course keep an eye across all three counts with our reporters there but let me just show you the poll of polls, july point averages and i hope sojohn curtis canjoin us to elaborate on it but we're showing it now. maybe i'm 46 of the mind of individual poles, and then i think the others are behind. give us more context for the polar poles. if we go back into november, mr sunak had been in the office for a few weeks and were going if poles of the post trust era, by my calculations and labour were 20

points ahead. now here we are, many months later, mr sunak putting out his five test and arguing he is trying to make progress on the people's priorities and the conservatives are still almost justice far behind. as i said earlier this evening one thing that seems to have happened in the last month is that the labour leader, which had narrowed it has opened back up again and perhaps the party made something of a mistake in not distancing yourself from boris johnson and basically the fact the british committee report came out and said mrjohnson had misled the house and we've also had the backdrop of the covid enquiry which is pretty tough evidence so far as the government is concerned being presented, covid, locked down, partygate has been bubbling away in the polls. all of us hoped to, hope

that was in the rearview mirror, but that was in the rearview mirror, but thatis that was in the rearview mirror, but that is still in our news and certainly the way in which the government or at least ten downing street handle it is still a raw issue for many voters. talking about some of the — issue for many voters. talking about some of the things _ issue for many voters. talking about some of the things you _ issue for many voters. talking about some of the things you say - issue for many voters. talking about some of the things you say are - issue for many voters. talking about some of the things you say are in i some of the things you say are in the rearview mirror, what is the forefront of motors that was mind and these by—elections? the same thing in the forefront of everyone (applause) minds? the economy, health and immigration if you look at the polling-— at the polling. i draw a distinction between those _ at the polling. i draw a distinction between those two _ at the polling. i draw a distinction between those two and _ at the polling. i draw a distinction between those two and three. - at the polling. i draw a distinction | between those two and three. the evidence i'd look at is not necessarily what are the issues that voters are the most important. if you really want to understand what is going on you'll have to say, what are the issues that are correlated with a lot of people have changed their minds? if we do the analysis for the conservatives there is a clear message. people who think the economy is doing badly, who voted conservative in 2019 are much less

likely to vote for the conservatives now that are those who are still inclined to think economy is ok. can i interru -t inclined to think economy is ok. can i interrupt you briefly because we can see the returning officer putting his town. in fact, he has putting his town. in fact, he has put it on. i know this sounds very scientific and political but he has put his tired, and looks as if he may be prepared or preparing, i should say, to announce the outcome and uxbridge and south ruislip. we don't know so i am speculating here but i corresponded their shaun lane thought that might be an indicator, there is lots of pointing going on as if to gather perhaps the candidates, of course, 17 of them, to her together onto the stage before that long announcement is made. while we wait, we'll the pictures there running alongside you and go back to the issues, sorry, we talked about. and go back to the issues, sorry, we talked about-— talked about. what i'm saying is that if you _ talked about. what i'm saying is that if you take _ talked about. what i'm saying is that if you take people - talked about. what i'm saying is that if you take people who - talked about. what i'm saying is| that if you take people who voted conservative in 2019, those who think the economy is doing badly are

much more likely to defective from the conservatives in the course of the conservatives in the course of the last four years than those people who think economy is doing 0k. equally on health service, those people who think health service is doing badly are much less likely to remain loyal to the conservatives than those who don't think the health service is doing badly. if we take the issue of immigration, the picture is different. those people who think that immigration has gone up, including illegal immigration has gone up, i know more or no less likely to have defected from the conservatives since 2019 and those who don't think immigration has gone up. i’ii who don't think immigration has gone u . _ �* , who don't think immigration has gone u, �* , , ., who don't think immigration has gone up. i'll interrupt you, i'm so sorry aaain up. i'll interrupt you, i'm so sorry again because — up. i'll interrupt you, i'm so sorry again because i _ up. i'll interrupt you, i'm so sorry again because i know— up. i'll interrupt you, i'm so sorry again because i know you - up. i'll interrupt you, i'm so sorry again because i know you are - up. i'll interrupt you, i'm so sorry again because i know you are in l up. i'll interrupt you, i'm so sorry l again because i know you are in full flow because we are seeing pictures and somerton and frome looks as if democrats counted their sarah dargan being embraced, there she is looking extremely happy and smiling and one

can only imagine because she thinks she has wanted. the lib dems already claiming victory and munira wilson claimed victory within five minutes of being on the programme here. laughter. this may be confirmation but now it as if they are gathering and we can see the candidate moving across the hall there again i can't see any indication of the returning officer gathering everyone together so again, we will definitely movement, looks victorious for sarah dyke verbs are cracked and that he was the favourite and they have seemed to claimed victory. if there is an announcement we would go again. back to ou, announcement we would go again. back to you. john- — announcement we would go again. back to you. john- the _ announcement we would go again. e—c< to you, john. the point i'm trying to you, john. the point i'm trying to make as if conservatives want to secure an election recovery and to do that they've got to try to win people but they have lost, they got to try and turn the economy around, tried it on public services around,

achieving that is likely to achieve an actual dividend, stopping the boats is unlikely to bring the same benefit and the extent to which the parties focusing on that issue, an issue which of course is arguably even more difficult for them to achieve the turnaround economy or trying to improve the health service but it focusing on that issue i think in truth what the conservatives are doing, yes, focusing on an issue that appeals to their call vote but the challenge facing the conservatives is not take onto their core vote, is to win back many, many voters that they have lost during the course of the last four years and i think from that issue immigration is not the issue on which the government should be focusing. on which the government should be focusina. , ., , ., ~ on which the government should be focusina. , ., , ., ,, i. ., focusing. john curtis, thank you for the moment- _ focusing. john curtis, thank you for the moment. discuss _ focusing. john curtis, thank you for the moment. discuss that - focusing. john curtis, thank you for the moment. discuss that with - focusing. john curtis, thank you for the moment. discuss that with our| the moment. discuss that with our panel. we can show rishi sunak�*s five pledges.

not reduced, stop the boats. will p0p up not reduced, stop the boats. will pop up to one side because we know what the economic backdrop is like and improving public services, let's say the election is next year, looks almost impossible. would you agree the landing zone for the conservatives in terms of winning the next general election is narrowing!— the next general election is narrowina! , ., ., the next general election is narrowinu! , ., ., narrowing! this was a narrow road an a in narrowing! this was a narrow road anyway in my _ narrowing! this was a narrow road anyway in my view- _ narrowing! this was a narrow road anyway in my view. i _ narrowing! this was a narrow road anyway in my view. i think- narrowing! this was a narrow road anyway in my view. i think it - narrowing! this was a narrow road anyway in my view. i think it is i narrowing! this was a narrow road anyway in my view. i think it is a l anyway in my view. i think it is a very tough challenge and that's why the feminist is to be commended on not actually trying to go for a low hanging fruit but taking on that really tough issues. it was not on the side of the be entitled to sort to inflation. the side of the be entitled to sort to inflation-— to inflation. you thought it would be a dawdle _ to inflation. you thought it would be a dawdle for _ to inflation. you thought it would be a dawdle for it _ to inflation. you thought it would be a dawdle for it to _ to inflation. you thought it would be a dawdle for it to come - to inflation. you thought it would be a dawdle for it to come down | be a dawdle for it to come down naturally. i be a dawdle for it to come down naturall . �* ~ ., , ., naturally. i didn't think anyone thouuht naturally. i didn't think anyone thought it _ naturally. i didn't think anyone thought it would _ naturally. i didn't think anyone thought it would be _ naturally. i didn't think anyone thought it would be a - naturally. i didn't think anyone thought it would be a doddle l naturally. i didn't think anyone i thought it would be a doddle and naturally. i didn't think anyone - thought it would be a doddle and the premise of the gecko has been serious about the fight against inflation and knows the conservatives have a great reputation on fighting inflation by putting it at the heart of our policies in the 19805 as we did, created the conditions for economic growth, we think now at this time

with particular pressure on businesses and families and communities we've got to say that dragon to unleash all the potential we know is out there and we want to see britain acquire. thi5 we know is out there and we want to see britain acquire. this is a positive set of policies. the delivery. — positive set of policies. the delivery, element - positive set of policies. the delivery, element be - positive set of policies. the delivery, element be about delivery and trying to reduce inflation father is going to make it hard to grow the economy, isn't it? doing difficulties what _ grow the economy, isn't it? doing difficulties what we _ grow the economy, isn't it? doing difficulties what we should - grow the economy, isn't it? doing difficulties what we should be - grow the economy, isn't it? dr? �*tq difficulties what we should be doing because it is difficult it is right that we focus on it.— that we focus on it. what keir starmer's _ that we focus on it. what keir starmer's five _ that we focus on it. what keir starmer's five missions - that we focus on it. what keir starmer's five missions are. l starmer's five missions are. everyone had gone forfive. they are motherhood and apple pie to some extent a generic but let's take the nhs, fit for the future. there is no promise or pledge, rightly or wrongly, of major new investment into the nhs. there is a few billing

that you want to use for attention or treating and recruiting of nhs staff but there is not only major. why not? is staff but there is not only ma'or. wh not? , ,, . , , why not? is the nhs which begins in 1945 with the — why not? is the nhs which begins in 1945 with the atley _ why not? is the nhs which begins in 1945 with the atley government - why not? is the nhs which begins in i 1945 with the atley government began as a treatment of inner, illness and with merchants and, now situation where _ with merchants and, now situation where the — with merchants and, now situation where the nhs is not something people _ where the nhs is not something people generally they can rely on even _ people generally they can rely on even though they know the people who work on _ even though they know the people who work on it— even though they know the people who work on it are dedicated and skilled _ work on it are dedicated and skilled. but the future is going to be one _ skilled. but the future is going to be one nhs is actually about health, what a _ be one nhs is actually about health, what a prevention, when it's about early— what a prevention, when it's about early diagnosis, but it's about really— early diagnosis, but it's about really healthy lives. but a different way of looking at the story — different way of looking at the story of — different way of looking at the story of nhs and in future we are going _ story of nhs and in future we are going to — story of nhs and in future we are going to make use of artificial intelligence, harnessing the power of digital— intelligence, harnessing the power of digital and had to do diagnosis earlier, _ of digital and had to do diagnosis earlier, quickerand more earlier, quicker and more effectively earlier, quickerand more effectively and help people make healthier, have healthier lives and longer— healthier, have healthier lives and longer lives. healthier, have healthier lives and longer lives-— longer lives. that'll mean less money having _ longer lives. that'll mean less money having to _ longer lives. that'll mean less money having to go, - longer lives. that'll mean less money having to go, not - longer lives. that'll mean less money having to go, not less| longer lives. that'll mean less l money having to go, not less in longer lives. that'll mean less - money having to go, not less in that sense but less that perhaps people

might expect. sense but less that perhaps people might expect-_ sense but less that perhaps people mic-htexect. ., , , , might expect. treatment is expensive and ainful might expect. treatment is expensive and painful very _ might expect. treatment is expensive and painful very often _ might expect. treatment is expensive and painful very often and _ might expect. treatment is expensive and painful very often and at - might expect. treatment is expensive and painful very often and at the - and painful very often and at the moment— and painful very often and at the moment people are having to wear a [on- moment people are having to wear a longtime _ moment people are having to wear a long time. if we can get this done i don't _ long time. if we can get this done i don't early— long time. if we can get this done i don't early or prevented, that'll be better— don't early or prevented, that'll be better for— don't early or prevented, that'll be better for everybody.— don't early or prevented, that'll be better for everybody. issues locally in all three seats, _ better for everybody. issues locally in all three seats, i _ better for everybody. issues locally in all three seats, i think, - better for everybody. issues locally in all three seats, i think, but - in all three seats, i think, but let's take somerton and frome, will be about getting a gp appointment, those very long waiting lists in the nhs. sarah dyke went tonight and somerton and frome, what's going to change? she somerton and frome, what's going to chance? ,, . ., change? she will challenge the conservative _ change? she will challenge the conservative health _ change? she will challenge the conservative health secretary. change? she will challenge the l conservative health secretary to change? she will challenge the - conservative health secretary to be taking _ conservative health secretary to be taking a _ conservative health secretary to be taking a much— conservative health secretary to be taking a much tougher— conservative health secretary to be taking a much tougher and - conservative health secretary to be taking a much tougher and swift - taking a much tougher and swift action— taking a much tougher and swift action to — taking a much tougher and swift action to he _ taking a much tougher and swift action to be recruiting _ taking a much tougher and swift action to be recruiting more - taking a much tougher and swiftl action to be recruiting more gps, bring _ action to be recruiting more gps, bring lrack— action to be recruiting more gps, bring back those _ action to be recruiting more gps, bring back those who _ action to be recruiting more gps, bring back those who have - action to be recruiting more gps, i bring back those who have perhaps left the _ bring back those who have perhaps left the workforce _ bring back those who have perhaps left the workforce to _ bring back those who have perhaps left the workforce to be _ bring back those who have perhaps left the workforce to be able - bring back those who have perhaps left the workforce to be able to - left the workforce to be able to boost _ left the workforce to be able to boost numbers _ left the workforce to be able to boost numbers in— left the workforce to be able to boost numbers in places - left the workforce to be able to boost numbers in places like i boost numbers in places like somerset _ boost numbers in places like somerset but _ boost numbers in places like somerset but also _ boost numbers in places like somerset but also one - boost numbers in places like somerset but also one of. boost numbers in places like| somerset but also one of the boost numbers in places like - somerset but also one of the things has not _ somerset but also one of the things has not touched _ somerset but also one of the things has not touched and, _ somerset but also one of the things has not touched and, if— somerset but also one of the things has not touched and, if we - somerset but also one of the things has not touched and, if we were - has not touched and, if we were titled _ has not touched and, if we were titled nhs— has not touched and, if we were titled nhs waiting _ has not touched and, if we were titled nhs waiting lists - has not touched and, if we were titled nhs waiting lists the - has not touched and, if we were titled nhs waiting lists the big i titled nhs waiting lists the big area the — titled nhs waiting lists the big area the double _ titled nhs waiting lists the big area the double democrats - titled nhs waiting lists the big| area the double democrats are focused — area the double democrats are focused on _ area the double democrats are focused on is _ area the double democrats are focused on is social— area the double democrats are focused on is social care. - area the double democrats are focused on is social care. the i area the double democrats are i focused on is social care. the fact that people — focused on is social care. the fact that people can't _ focused on is social care. the fact that people can't leave _ focused on is social care. the fact

that people can't leave hospital. focused on is social care. the fact that people can't leave hospital is what is _ that people can't leave hospital is what is also — that people can't leave hospital is what is also causing _ that people can't leave hospital is what is also causing some - that people can't leave hospital is what is also causing some of- that people can't leave hospital is what is also causing some of the i what is also causing some of the backlogs — what is also causing some of the backlogs and _ what is also causing some of the backlogs and that's _ what is also causing some of the backlogs and that's when - what is also causing some of the backlogs and that's when liberalj backlogs and that's when liberal democrats — backlogs and that's when liberal democrats have _ backlogs and that's when liberal democrats have said _ backlogs and that's when liberal democrats have said actually - backlogs and that's when liberal democrats have said actually if i backlogs and that's when liberal. democrats have said actually if we increase _ democrats have said actually if we increase the — democrats have said actually if we increase the minimum _ democrats have said actually if we increase the minimum wage - democrats have said actually if we increase the minimum wage for. democrats have said actually if we . increase the minimum wage for social care workers — increase the minimum wage for social care workers we — increase the minimum wage for social care workers we can _ increase the minimum wage for social care workers we can boost _ increase the minimum wage for social care workers we can boost the - care workers we can boost the workforce, _ care workers we can boost the workforce, get— care workers we can boost the workforce, get people - care workers we can boost the workforce, get people out - care workers we can boost the workforce, get people out of. workforce, get people out of hospital _ workforce, get people out of hosital. . �* , workforce, get people out of hosital. ., �*, , , workforce, get people out of hosital. , , , , hospital. that's because because we aaain hospital. that's because because we again conceived _ hospital. that's because because we again conceived the _ hospital. that's because because we again conceived the return, - hospital. that's because because we again conceived the return, no, - hospital. that's because because we again conceived the return, no, he i again conceived the return, no, he has just walked away from the microphones. it looks as if we are getting close to a result because everything is being set up for and by the returning officer, perhaps to call the candidates together. what i'm not sure about is whether or not candidates have been given the outcomes themselves. they are told they had of time before they come on and then we have the results coming enough vertical order and a5 and then we have the results coming enough vertical order and as i say there are a lot of names to go through. i thought he was going to make an announcement therejulie hall everybody is gathered, but for the moment it does not look as if it is coming. right, so they are going to provisional results at the moment

or maybe they are just being told what the results are. just before they get caught onto the stage. let's leave those because running and we can go there as soon as we are ready and i am sure our correspondent shaun lane is waiting and ready to go once they get called statement let's pick up with natasha and john. natasha, the backdrop to this has been strikes. strikes across all sorts of sectors. the government has accepted the recommendations of the pay review bodies but we still have some high—profile strikes you doctors. is there any sign that that will be resolved? it doesn't like at the moment. i don't think he doctors or consultants are even in talks with the government and the government have said we will not go back into talks with you unless you call off strikes. instead they've announce more strikes so i don't think we're near there. more strikes so i don't think we're nearthere. it's more strikes so i don't think we're near there. it's the same position of the rmt, the train strikes, a

year of that with no sign of abating. it looks like both sides are apart than ever. a thorn in the side of the conservatives but they are trying to use it as a political tool to say this is why we need to bring forward the strikes legislation to try to get that down and it has a lot of support in some conservative areas. it could be a problem if labour won a general election next year they'd still be dealing with. but election next year they'd still be dealing with-— election next year they'd still be dealin: with. �* , , , , dealing with. but it is possible but i think when _ dealing with. but it is possible but i think when you _ dealing with. but it is possible but i think when you look _ dealing with. but it is possible but i think when you look at _ dealing with. but it is possible but i think when you look at the - i think when you look at the promises _ i think when you look at the promises rishi sunak made including cutting _ promises rishi sunak made including cutting nhs waiting lists and rishi sunak— cutting nhs waiting lists and rishi sunak was asked this week why is that not— sunak was asked this week why is that not happening, why the numbers --oin that not happening, why the numbers going up— that not happening, why the numbers going up and up and up? now at a record— going up and up and up? now at a record level. he blamed on the strikes — record level. he blamed on the strikes. that's well and good of do the strikes — strikes. that's well and good of do the strikes drag on for so long? for months _ the strikes drag on for so long? for months on — the strikes drag on for so long? for months on and the government wouldn't — months on and the government wouldn't even talk to the nurses. robert? — wouldn't even talk to the nurses. robert? i— wouldn't even talk to the nurses. robert? i think clearly very mind this year— robert? i think clearly very mind this year wait, _ robert? i think clearly very mind this year wait, within _ robert? i think clearly very mind this year wait, within the - robert? i think clearly very mind. this year wait, within the numbers right— this year wait, within the numbers right before — this year wait, within the numbers right before they— this year wait, within the numbers right before they start _ this year wait, within the numbers right before they start coming - this year wait, within the numbers i right before they start coming down. i right before they start coming down. i was _ right before they start coming down. i was glad _ right before they start coming down. i was glad a —

right before they start coming down. l was glad a deal— right before they start coming down. i was glad a deal was _ right before they start coming down. i was glad a deal was agreed - right before they start coming down. i was glad a deal was agreed with . i was glad a deal was agreed with the nurses— i was glad a deal was agreed with the nurses and _ i was glad a deal was agreed with the nurses and not _ i was glad a deal was agreed with the nurses and not we _ i was glad a deal was agreed with the nurses and not we should - i was glad a deal was agreed with the nurses and not we should dol i was glad a deal was agreed with - the nurses and not we should do that back in— the nurses and not we should do that back in december. _ the nurses and not we should do that back in december. you _ the nurses and not we should do that back in december. you did. - the nurses and not we should do that back in december. you did. steve - back in december. you did. steve barclay _ back in december. you did. steve barclay absolutely _ back in december. you did. steve barclay absolutely worked - back in december. you did. steve barclay absolutely worked very i back in december. you did. steve i barclay absolutely worked very hard to achieve _ barclay absolutely worked very hard to achieve that. _ barclay absolutely worked very hard to achieve that. it _ barclay absolutely worked very hard to achieve that.— to achieve that. it was a mistake to wait so long- _ to achieve that. it was a mistake to wait so long. the _ to achieve that. it was a mistake to wait so long. the government i to achieve that. it was a mistake to wait so long. the government in i wait so long. the government in terms of accepting _ wait so long. the government in terms of accepting the - wait so long. the government in i terms of accepting the independent pay reviews. — terms of accepting the independent pay reviews, that's _ terms of accepting the independent pay reviews, that's all— terms of accepting the independent pay reviews, that's all very - pay reviews, that's all very sensible. _ pay reviews, that's all very sensible, absolute - pay reviews, that's all very sensible, absolute the i pay reviews, that's all veryl sensible, absolute the right pay reviews, that's all very i sensible, absolute the right way pay reviews, that's all very - sensible, absolute the right way to do this _ sensible, absolute the right way to do this i— sensible, absolute the right way to do this. ~' , , . ., do this. i think the public though, ou do this. i think the public though, you know. — do this. i think the public though, you know. i _ do this. i think the public though, you know, i getting _ do this. i think the public though, you know, i getting a _ do this. i think the public though, you know, i getting a bit- do this. i think the public though, you know, i getting a bit tired i do this. i think the public though, you know, i getting a bit tired of. you know, i getting a bit tired of these continued strikes. i’d you know, i getting a bit tired of these continued strikes. i'd attach there is a lack— these continued strikes. i'd attach there is a lack of _ these continued strikes. i'd attach there is a lack of sympathy i these continued strikes. i'd attach there is a lack of sympathy in i these continued strikes. i'd attachl there is a lack of sympathy in some areas _ there is a lack of sympathy in some areas some — there is a lack of sympathy in some areas some of— there is a lack of sympathy in some areas some of these _ there is a lack of sympathy in some areas some of these strikes - there is a lack of sympathy in some areas some of these strikes that i there is a lack of sympathy in somel areas some of these strikes that are continuing, — areas some of these strikes that are continuing, bearing _ areas some of these strikes that are continuing, bearing in— areas some of these strikes that are continuing, bearing in mind - areas some of these strikes that are continuing, bearing in mind for- continuing, bearing in mind for example — continuing, bearing in mind for example a— continuing, bearing in mind for example a consultancy, - continuing, bearing in mind for example a consultancy, the i continuing, bearing in mind for. example a consultancy, the pigeon reform _ example a consultancy, the pigeon reform made — example a consultancy, the pigeon reform made as _ example a consultancy, the pigeon reform made as a _ example a consultancy, the pigeon reform made as a result _ example a consultancy, the pigeon reform made as a result of- example a consultancy, the pigeon reform made as a result of the i reform made as a result of the direct— reform made as a result of the direct request _ reform made as a result of the direct request and _ reform made as a result of the direct request and i— reform made as a result of the direct request and i think- reform made as a result of the direct request and i think the i direct request and i think the public— direct request and i think the public are _ direct request and i think the public are to _ direct request and i think the public are to be _ direct request and i think the public are to be absolutely i public are to be absolutely supported _ public are to be absolutely supported in— public are to be absolutely supported in their- public are to be absolutely i supported in their frustration at seeing — supported in their frustration at seeing well—intentioned - supported in their frustration at l seeing well—intentioned attempts supported in their frustration at i seeing well—intentioned attempts by the government— seeing well—intentioned attempts by the government and _ seeing well—intentioned attempts by the government and hard—working i the government and hard—working members — the government and hard—working members of— the government and hard—working members of the _ the government and hard—working members of the nhs _ the government and hard—working members of the nhs to _ the government and hard—working members of the nhs to get- the government and hard—working i members of the nhs to get through these _ members of the nhs to get through these backlogs _ members of the nhs to get through these backlogs being _ members of the nhs to get through these backlogs being affected - members of the nhs to get through these backlogs being affected and l these backlogs being affected and they are _ these backlogs being affected and theyare being— these backlogs being affected and they are being affected _ these backlogs being affected and they are being affected by - these backlogs being affected and i they are being affected by continued industrial— they are being affected by continued industrial disputes. _ before i come to both of you, let's

go to somerton and frome. jenny kumar i5 go to somerton and frome. jenny kumar is there. jenny.— go to somerton and frome. jenny kumar is there. jenny. well, we are very close — kumar is there. jenny. well, we are very close to _ kumar is there. jenny. well, we are very close to a _ kumar is there. jenny. well, we are very close to a result _ kumar is there. jenny. well, we are very close to a result here, - very close to a result here, probably within the next 30 minutes or5o probably within the next 30 minutes or so and moments ago, in the back of the call, the lib dem candidate, sarah dyke, there was a big cheer. they were very confident, and another party who thinks they've done well is the green party and martin demmeryjoins me. how well do you think things have gone? —— dimery. you think things have gone? -- dime . . , you think things have gone? -- dime . ., , ., �* ., dimery. far better than we've done before, dimery. far better than we've done before. this — dimery. far better than we've done before. this is _ dimery. far better than we've done before, this is only _ dimery. far better than we've done before, this is only our— dimery. far better than we've done before, this is only our fourth i before, this is only our fourth campaign _ before, this is only our fourth campaign in a by—election and we were _ campaign in a by—election and we were in— campaign in a by—election and we were in second place at one point and i_ were in second place at one point and i don't — were in second place at one point and i don't know if we have retained that all— and i don't know if we have retained that all lost — and i don't know if we have retained that all lost up to the tories on it but certainly third, certainly above labour _ but certainly third, certainly above labour and — but certainly third, certainly above labour and may be tripling what we did last _ labour and may be tripling what we did last time around so we've got to be happy— did last time around so we've got to be happy with that. last did last time around so we've got to be happy with that.—

did last time around so we've got to be happy with that. last time around in the general _ be happy with that. last time around in the general election _ be happy with that. last time around in the general election you _ be happy with that. last time around in the general election you came i in the general election you came forth. you think you've improved on that position? we forth. you think you've improved on that position?— that position? we certainly have. wh do that position? we certainly have. why do you _ that position? we certainly have. why do you think— that position? we certainly have. why do you think that _ that position? we certainly have. why do you think that is? - that position? we certainly have. why do you think that is? we'vel why do you think that is? we've built up a good base locally, as a lot of green parties do, from local elections, we are strong in the froome area in particular and i think it we had been a bit stronger in this, it's a rural constituency if we are stronger in some of the more rural areas, we could have done even better but it's hard for a party like us with every small funding to be able to campaign on a geographical area of this size. thank you so much forjoining us this evening and we will be hopefully getting a result here soon. thank you very much, jenny in somerton and frome. let's quickly dip in again to uxbridge and south ruislip and see if we are any further ahead. everybody is crowding. everybody is crowding around the table and i think the returning officer is somewhere in the middle. that means they could of

course be a longer build up to this result, creation of suspense and jeopardy, which we enjoyed on these live programmes. laughter. but it could be some minutes before we get a result so before we get what could be the final figures, just to return to the strikes. it be the final figures, 'ust to return to the strikes.i be the final figures, 'ust to return to the strikes. it could be an issue that ou to the strikes. it could be an issue that you do _ to the strikes. it could be an issue that you do still _ to the strikes. it could be an issue that you do still have _ to the strikes. it could be an issue that you do still have to _ to the strikes. it could be an issue that you do still have to pick i to the strikes. it could be an issue that you do still have to pick up i to the strikes. it could be an issue| that you do still have to pick up on and there is no sense that labour or keir starmer i5 and there is no sense that labour or keir starmer is in the realms of offering to the doctor is a 35% pay rise. �* ., ., ., , ., ,, ., rise. but what we do do is talk and ne . otiate rise. but what we do do is talk and negotiate and _ rise. but what we do do is talk and negotiate and after _ rise. but what we do do is talk and negotiate and after the _ rise. but what we do do is talk and negotiate and after the last i rise. but what we do do is talk and negotiate and after the last labour government between 97 and 2010 there were a total of zero strikes with the nhs because we kept talking and did not always agree with the unions did not always agree with the unions did not always agree with the unions did not agree with us and vice—versa but we kept working together. this is notjust about pay but terms and i5 notjust about pay but terms and conditions and people in the nhs feeling valued and we would be doing all of that by talking to the nurses

union a5 all of that by talking to the nurses union as well so let's not forget the head of the nursing union said to rishi sunak before christmas, it is nowjuly, she would meet him i5 nowjuly, she would meet him anywhere, anytime, anyplace including on christmas day and it didn't happen and it means the pattern we've seen from the conservative government has continued where strikes have continued where strikes have continued pointlessly and unnecessarily without getting together to try to come to a reasonable compromise. iii together to try to come to a reasonable compromise. ii in together to try to come to a reasonable compromise. if in the end what is on the — reasonable compromise. if in the end what is on the table _ reasonable compromise. if in the end what is on the table is _ reasonable compromise. if in the end what is on the table is a _ reasonable compromise. if in the end what is on the table is a 35% - reasonable compromise. if in the end what is on the table is a 35% pay i what is on the table is a 35% pay rise you will not get anywhere? we will rise you will not get anywhere? , will negotiate and that is important. will negotiate and that is important-— will negotiate and that is imortant. �* ., ., ., important. and get to a level of. . . ? i wouldn't come _ important. and get to a level of. . . ? i wouldn't come up _ important. and get to a level of. . . ? i wouldn't come up with _ important. and get to a level of. . . ? i wouldn't come up with a _ important. and get to a level of. . . ? i wouldn't come up with a figure i i wouldn't come up with a figure here on the tv. trio i wouldn't come up with a figure here on the tv.— i wouldn't come up with a figure here on the tv. no but would it be above what — here on the tv. no but would it be above what is _ here on the tv. no but would it be above what is offered _ here on the tv. no but would it be above what is offered or— here on the tv. no but would it be i above what is offered or recommended by the pay review body? there is a big gap between mac and 35% if you want to stick to your plans about being prudent. want to stick to your plans about being prudent-— want to stick to your plans about being prudent. then we negotiate, and that's the _ being prudent. then we negotiate, and that's the point _ being prudent. then we negotiate, and that's the point of— being prudent. then we negotiate, and that's the point of the - and that's the point of the negotiation, you do it in the room and not on tv. negotiation, you do it in the room and not on tv-_ and not on tv. been talk about a reshuffle but _ and not on tv. been talk about a reshuffle but we _ and not on tv. been talk about a reshuffle but we don't _ and not on tv. been talk about a reshuffle but we don't know - and not on tv. been talk about a i reshuffle but we don't know exactly when it might or might not be, there had been talk of it happening today.

after the by—elections. especially if your party loses all three seats. has steve barclay, is it time for him to move on? i has steve barclay, is it time for him to move on?— him to move on? i will not start caettin him to move on? i will not start getting into _ him to move on? i will not start getting into personnel- him to move on? i will not start getting into personnel matters, i him to move on? i will not start - getting into personnel matters, it's for the _ getting into personnel matters, it's for the prime minister to decide. gf for the prime minister to decide. ©zif course. for the prime minister to decide. of course. crosstalk. |_ for the prime minister to decide. of course. crosstalk. i mentioned. for the prime minister to decide. of. course. crosstalk. i mentioned him in a positive — course. crosstalk. i mentioned him in a positive way. _ course. crosstalk. i mentioned him in a positive way, i _ course. crosstalk. i mentioned him in a positive way, i think _ course. crosstalk. i mentioned him in a positive way, i think he _ course. crosstalk. i mentioned him in a positive way, i think he has - in a positive way, i think he has been _ in a positive way, i think he has been a — in a positive way, i think he has been a thorough health secretary and he has _ been a thorough health secretary and he has really understood the need for there _ he has really understood the need for there not to be just more investment in the nhs but a greater deal of— investment in the nhs but a greater deal of accountability and i am particularly encouraged by the move to more _ particularly encouraged by the move to more integrated care. i see it locally. — to more integrated care. i see it locally, really concerted attempt centre _ locally, really concerted attempt centre resources around a patient in the way— centre resources around a patient in the way we — centre resources around a patient in the way we haven't seen before. i think— the way we haven't seen before. i think it's — the way we haven't seen before. i think it's a — the way we haven't seen before. i think it's a really much more efficient— think it's a really much more efficient use of resources and in automatic— efficient use of resources and in automatic prevention, she's right, i think— automatic prevention, she's right, i think all_ automatic prevention, she's right, i think all of— automatic prevention, she's right, i think all of the shared aspiration for the _ think all of the shared aspiration for the nhs in the future, we can do itand— for the nhs in the future, we can do itand i_ for the nhs in the future, we can do it and i think— for the nhs in the future, we can do it and i think steve has been an excellent — it and i think steve has been an excellent inaudible. you it and i think steve has been an excellent inaudible.— it and i think steve has been an excellent inaudible. you are looking . uizzical. excellent inaudible. you are looking auizzical. i excellent inaudible. you are looking quizzical- i come _ excellent inaudible. you are looking quizzical. i come back— excellent inaudible. you are looking quizzical. i come back to _ excellent inaudible. you are looking quizzical. i come back to my - excellent inaudible. you are looking quizzical. i come back to my point - quizzical. i come back to my point before we had _

quizzical. i come back to my point before we had to _ quizzical. i come back to my point before we had to cut _ quizzical. i come back to my point before we had to cut to _ quizzical. i come back to my point before we had to cut to the - quizzical. i come back to my point. before we had to cut to the cameras, the conservatives— before we had to cut to the cameras, the conservatives have _ before we had to cut to the cameras, the conservatives have done - before we had to cut to the cameras, the conservatives have done nothing| the conservatives have done nothing to tackle _ the conservatives have done nothing to tackle the — the conservatives have done nothing to tackle the issue _ the conservatives have done nothing to tackle the issue of— the conservatives have done nothing to tackle the issue of social - the conservatives have done nothing to tackle the issue of social care. - to tackle the issue of social care. that's _ to tackle the issue of social care. that's the — to tackle the issue of social care. that's the sister— to tackle the issue of social care. that's the sister service - to tackle the issue of social care. that's the sister service to - to tackle the issue of social care. that's the sister service to the i to tackle the issue of social care. . that's the sister service to the nhs so if you _ that's the sister service to the nhs so if you are — that's the sister service to the nhs so if you are going _ that's the sister service to the nhs so if you are going to _ that's the sister service to the nhs so if you are going to even - that's the sister service to the nhs so if you are going to even try- that's the sister service to the nhs so if you are going to even try to i so if you are going to even try to start— so if you are going to even try to start to — so if you are going to even try to start to fix — so if you are going to even try to start to fix the _ so if you are going to even try to start to fix the backlog _ so if you are going to even try to start to fix the backlog and - so if you are going to even try to start to fix the backlog and the l start to fix the backlog and the issues — start to fix the backlog and the issues and _ start to fix the backlog and the issues and you _ start to fix the backlog and the issues and you have _ start to fix the backlog and the issues and you have to - start to fix the backlog and the issues and you have to tackle i start to fix the backlog and the - issues and you have to tackle social care at _ issues and you have to tackle social care at the — issues and you have to tackle social care at the same _ issues and you have to tackle social care at the same time _ issues and you have to tackle social care at the same time and - issues and you have to tackle social care at the same time and you - issues and you have to tackle socialj care at the same time and you have to urgently— care at the same time and you have to urgently boost _ care at the same time and you have to urgently boost the _ care at the same time and you have to urgently boost the number - care at the same time and you have to urgently boost the number of - care at the same time and you have| to urgently boost the number of gps in primary— to urgently boost the number of gps in primary care — to urgently boost the number of gps in primary care so— to urgently boost the number of gps in primary care so that _ to urgently boost the number of gps in primary care so that we _ to urgently boost the number of gps in primary care so that we can - to urgently boost the number of gps in primary care so that we can get i in primary care so that we can get people _ in primary care so that we can get people out— in primary care so that we can get people out of— in primary care so that we can get people out of hospital _ in primary care so that we can get people out of hospital and - in primary care so that we can get people out of hospital and that's i people out of hospital and that's the problem _ people out of hospital and that's the problem-— people out of hospital and that's the problem.- i- people out of hospital and that's the problem.- i would i people out of hospital and that's. the problem.- i would say people out of hospital and that's - the problem.- i would say i'm the problem. robert? i would say i'm not auoin the problem. robert? i would say i'm not going to — the problem. robert? i would say i'm not going to pretend _ the problem. robert? i would say i'm not going to pretend that _ the problem. robert? i would say i'm not going to pretend that social- not going to pretend that social care is— not going to pretend that social care is anything other than the most thorny— care is anything other than the most thorny of— care is anything other than the most thorny of issues and... it care is anything other than the most thorny of issues and. . ._ thorny of issues and... it has gone on for so long- _ thorny of issues and... it has gone on for so long. you _ thorny of issues and... it has gone on for so long. you may _ thorny of issues and... it has gone on for so long. you may promise l on for so long. you may promise after promise that have been broken. it is difficult. after promise that have been broken. it is difficult-— it is difficult. liberal democrat and conservatives _ it is difficult. liberal democrat and conservatives legislated i it is difficult. liberal democrat | and conservatives legislated in government— and conservatives legislated in government and _ and conservatives legislated in government and you _ and conservatives legislated in government and you are - and conservatives legislated in government and you are on - and conservatives legislated in. government and you are on your and conservatives legislated in- government and you are on your own in 2015— government and you are on your own in 2015 and _ government and you are on your own in 2015 and you — government and you are on your own in 2015and you dig _ government and you are on your own in 2015 and you dig deep _ government and you are on your own in 2015 and you dig deep and - government and you are on your own in 2015 and you dig deep and after. in 2015 and you dig deep and after that boris— in 2015 and you dig deep and after that borisjohnson— in 2015 and you dig deep and after that boris johnson stood - in 2015 and you dig deep and after that borisjohnson stood on- in 2015 and you dig deep and after that boris johnson stood on the i that borisjohnson stood on the steps _ that borisjohnson stood on the steps of— that borisjohnson stood on the steps of downing _ that borisjohnson stood on the steps of downing street - that borisjohnson stood on the steps of downing street and . that boris johnson stood on the - steps of downing street and promised to resolve _ steps of downing street and promised to resolve social— steps of downing street and promised to resolve social care _ steps of downing street and promised to resolve social care and _ steps of downing street and promised to resolve social care and has - steps of downing street and promised to resolve social care and hasjust- to resolve social care and hasjust failed _ to resolve social care and hasjust failed to— to resolve social care and hasjust failed to deliver— to resolve social care and hasjust failed to deliver and _ to resolve social care and hasjust failed to deliver and so _ to resolve social care and hasjust failed to deliver and so has - to resolve social care and hasjust failed to deliver and so has rishi. failed to deliver and so has rishi sunak _ failed to deliver and so has rishi sunak. �* , failed to deliver and so has rishi sunak. v . , failed to deliver and so has rishi sunak. �*, ., _ ., failed to deliver and so has rishi sunak. �*, ., ,, ., , ., sunak. it's easy for liberal democrats _ sunak. it's easy for liberal democrats who _ sunak. it's easy for liberal democrats who have - sunak. it's easy for liberal democrats who have no i sunak. it's easy for liberal— democrats who have no responsibility

for anything to criticise. crosstalk.— for anything to criticise. crosstalk. ., ., ., . ., ., crosstalk. not at all. we have to net this crosstalk. not at all. we have to get this right _ crosstalk. not at all. we have to get this right and _ crosstalk. not at all. we have to get this right and i _ crosstalk. not at all. we have to get this right and i think— crosstalk. not at all. we have to get this right and i think the - crosstalk. not at all. we have to get this right and i think the first i get this right and i think the first thing _ get this right and i think the first thing we — get this right and i think the first thing we need to do is properly integrated services and with integrated services and with integrated care systems i think we are seeing — integrated care systems i think we are seeing that for the first time and we — are seeing that for the first time and we have to stop obsessing about, as much— and we have to stop obsessing about, as much as _ and we have to stop obsessing about, as much as l — and we have to stop obsessing about, as much as i love the great western hospital— as much as i love the great western hospital and everyone who works in it, hospital and everyone who works in it. health _ hospital and everyone who works in it, health service, we always talk about _ it, health service, we always talk about hospitals and we should be talking _ about hospitals and we should be talking about the people and not well, _ talking about the people and not well, crosstalk. iam more than happy— well, crosstalk. iam more than happy to— well, crosstalk. iam more than happy to talk about dentists. i am working and campaigning hard and i'm -lad working and campaigning hard and i'm glad to— working and campaigning hard and i'm glad to see _ working and campaigning hard and i'm glad to see we have a new practice coming _ glad to see we have a new practice coming to— glad to see we have a new practice coming to swindon with more nhs places so— coming to swindon with more nhs places so it can be done.- places so it can be done. again, dentist, unbelievably _ places so it can be done. again, dentist, unbelievably unhappy. l dentist, unbelievably unhappy. unbelievably unhappy with the deal they say... sin. unbelievably unhappy with the deal the sa ,, ., they say... six labour government deal that has _ they say... six labour government deal that has not... _ they say... six labour government deal that has not... you've - they say... six labour government deal that has not... you've been i they say... six labour government| deal that has not... you've been in government _ deal that has not... you've been in government for _ deal that has not... you've been in government for 13 _ deal that has not... you've been in government for 13 years, _ deal that has not... you've been in government for 13 years, robert! l government for 13 years, robert! take _ government for13 years, robert! take responsibility— government for13 years, robert! take responsibility for— government for 13 years, robert! take responsibility for the - government for 13 years, robert! take responsibility for the failure j take responsibility for the failure of labour— take responsibility for the failure of labour to make crosstalk. i accept _ of labour to make crosstalk. i accept there is a problem and i talked — accept there is a problem and i talked to— accept there is a problem and i

talked to my dentist and with local action— talked to my dentist and with local action out— talked to my dentist and with local action out of the integrated care services — action out of the integrated care services have got responsibility for the commission of dental health, we are starting, certainly my area, starting — are starting, certainly my area, starting to— are starting, certainly my area, starting to see a fightback on this and i_ starting to see a fightback on this and i certainly, along with all other— and i certainly, along with all other mps will be working to make sure that _ other mps will be working to make sure that we can improve nhs access to dentistry — sure that we can improve nhs access to dentistry. this sure that we can improve nhs access to dentistry-— to dentistry. this must've been a hue to dentistry. this must've been a huge issue _ to dentistry. this must've been a huge issue not — to dentistry. this must've been a huge issue notjust _ to dentistry. this must've been a huge issue notjust the _ to dentistry. this must've been a huge issue notjust the lack - to dentistry. this must've been a huge issue not just the lack of i to dentistry. this must've been a l huge issue notjust the lack of nhs dental —— dentists but generally people's experience day today. in terms of getting a gp appointment or in terms of perhaps having a non—urgent procedure cancelled. not once they get the treatment. then i think some dispatch and is far far higher. is that going to be the crucial issue? i know the economy for voters and conservative voters on the doorstep? i for voters and conservative voters on the doorstep?— for voters and conservative voters on the doorstep? i think you saw in the polish showed _ on the doorstep? i think you saw in the polish showed earlier— on the doorstep? i think you saw in the polish showed earlier i - on the doorstep? i think you saw in the polish showed earlier i think i on the doorstep? i think you saw in the polish showed earlier i think it| the polish showed earlier i think it number— the polish showed earlier i think it number two in the polish showed earlier i think it numbertwo in the the polish showed earlier i think it number two in the voters's priorities— number two in the voters's priorities so yes it is still a huge concern — priorities so yes it is still a huge concern and what sirjohn curtice was saying — concern and what sirjohn curtice was saying earlier about the core tory vote — was saying earlier about the core tory vote and people who may lend

their vote _ tory vote and people who may lend their vote to labour instead, more likely— their vote to labour instead, more likely to _ their vote to labour instead, more likely to do — their vote to labour instead, more likely to do so if they are dissatisfied with the nhs and the conservatives have been looking at those _ conservatives have been looking at those sort — conservatives have been looking at those sort of issues that are coming up those sort of issues that are coming up in _ those sort of issues that are coming up in the _ those sort of issues that are coming up in the polling and worrying actually — up in the polling and worrying actually yes, doesn't mean we need to be _ actually yes, doesn't mean we need to be thinking more about our policies — to be thinking more about our policies the nhs? go to be thinking more about our policies the nhs?— policies the nhs? go back to uxbridue policies the nhs? go back to uxbridge and _ policies the nhs? go back to uxbridge and south - policies the nhs? go back to uxbridge and south ruislip i policies the nhs? go back to - uxbridge and south ruislip because it looks like once again something is going on ahead of the result and an announcement. i7 is going on ahead of the result and an announcement. 17 candidates there and on paper, certainly, it looks as if labour should win this constituency but it may prove to be tighter than perhaps first thought. one of the thorny issues there, certainly for the labour candidate as well as the tory, is the ultra low emission zone which is a policy of the labour man city khan and, certainly, expanding it beyond central london to some of the other london boroughs and danny beale is the labour candidate there, and said hang on, let's hear. abs,

the labour candidate there, and said hang on, let's hear.— hang on, let's hear. a recount has been asked _ hang on, let's hear. a recount has been asked for— hang on, let's hear. a recount has been asked for and _ hang on, let's hear. a recount has been asked for and granted - hang on, let's hear. a recount has been asked for and granted and i hang on, let's hear. a recount has| been asked for and granted and we will now be recounting all of the labour and conservative votes and we will be looking at the bundles of the other votes to make sure there are no labour and conservative votes in there. , ., ., . in there. there you have it. we thouuht in there. there you have it. we thought there _ in there. there you have it. we thought there was _ in there. there you have it. we thought there was going - in there. there you have it. we thought there was going to - in there. there you have it. we thought there was going to be | in there. there you have it. we i thought there was going to be an early result and it does look as, as i was just saying, as if it may be quite tight if they are going for a recount. john, surprised? idol quite tight if they are going for a recount. john, surprised? not from uiven recount. john, surprised? not from given what— recount. john, surprised? not from given what we _ recount. john, surprised? not from given what we have _ recount. john, surprised? not from given what we have been _ recount. john, surprised? not from given what we have been hearing i given what we have been hearing about from the count but i think we can assume from what the returning officer has just said that this is a recount to check as to who is first and we cannot tell from what he said at the moment is first but irrespective of that, it does suggest that labour here have got much less than the 15% swing in the national polls and at the moment at least a struggling perhaps or at least a struggling perhaps or at least only just over the least a struggling perhaps or at least onlyjust over the line to get the 7.5% swing that they need to win

the 7.5% swing that they need to win the seat so this is certainly turning out to be a closer by—election and we would have expected, given labour's current lead in the national polls and to that extent, at least, this by—election irrespective, exactly which way it turns out, it will be something of a disappointment for the labour party.— the labour party. absolutely, they thou . ht the labour party. absolutely, they thought certainly _ the labour party. absolutely, they thought certainly on _ the labour party. absolutely, they thought certainly on paper - the labour party. absolutely, they thought certainly on paper that - the labour party. absolutely, they l thought certainly on paper that they would take it. there was certainly the issues, i was saying before we heard from the returning officer about the ultra low emission zone, and that made things difficult, definitely. it's a labour mayor, sadiq khan, who wants to expand it and we already know that conservative councils are not in favour of it but danny beale is, the labour candidate, said he certainly wanted a pause so it may be that thatis wanted a pause so it may be that that is the issue, we will find out shortly at the counter give us your view. . �* , shortly at the counter give us your view. ., �*_ ., , shortly at the counter give us your view. ., �*_ ., i” shortly at the counter give us your view. ., fl. ., y., ., view. that's certainly one of the issues they _ view. that's certainly one of the issues they pushed _ view. that's certainly one of the issues they pushed hard - view. that's certainly one of the issues they pushed hard and - view. that's certainly one of the - issues they pushed hard and clearly an issue that caused the labour

candidate some difficulty on the other thing we perhaps need to bear in mind as this is a constituency where labour's vote has gone up quite markedly against the national trend since it was first fought in its current form in 2010. to that extent at least, perhaps the baseline for labour in this constituency is rather high as compared with what we may be thinking of another constituency so in other words they've made a lot of progress in the sea already and perhaps therefore as a result there was rather less room for labour to make progress than simply looking at the 2019 result may lead you to believe. , , j believe. interesting, maybe they've reached peak _ believe. interesting, maybe they've reached peak labour _ believe. interesting, maybe they've reached peak labour in that sense. | reached peak labour in that sense. thank you, sirjohn curtice. shorten—led? what is going on. —— sean ley. i shorten-led? what is going on. -- sean le . ~ . shorten-led? what is going on. -- sean le . ,, ., , , shorten-led? what is going on. -- seanle. ,, ., , , . sean ley. i think that is very much the mood music— sean ley. i think that is very much the mood music that _ sean ley. i think that is very much the mood music that i've - sean ley. i think that is very much the mood music that i've been - the mood music that i've been picking up during the course of this evening. i was speaking to the

former mp in the constituency but one, so borisjohnson public predecessor, out canvassing on the weekend and i don't think i'm revealing any secrets in saying that he said the reception had not been as hostile as it may be on the steps. another candidate from one of the campaigners on that, shall we say, climate related issues who said to me tonight actually, this by—election started up being about things like law and order and cost of living. things you would expect it to be about. in the last ten days orso it to be about. in the last ten days or so the focus shifted to the ultra low emission zone. clearly, asjohn was talking about there, not comfortable territory for danny beales the labour candidate. ila. beales the labour candidate. no. labour in 97 _ beales the labour candidate. no. labour in 97 the _ beales the labour candidate. no. labour in 97 the by—election were finding themselves fighting against themselves because they had an internal row over the candidate and got rid of the sitting candidate and posted another one was thought to be closer to the leadership and that did not go down very well and difficult for danny beales's campaign against the policy being

imposed by his own party's mayor, effectively being saying the point is a good one but not now. not in the middle of a cost of living prices. it's very difficult. and a lot of other candidates splitting the vote, arguably, the anti—government, anti—conservative vote, and you have a by—election right before the school holidays all right before the school holidays all right at the beginning of them, you are not choosing a government, all of these factors can actually make it quite difficult to motivate and mobilise voters and i think all of those may explain this, what sounds like a pretty close result. the returning officer has been very, very candid with us, let us in, let us know more about the thinking and have been announcing it and effectively saying whoever is second place is pretty much asking for the recount, that's what we can read into it. what we don't know is who was in second place in the recount. was it the conservatives or labour? we don't know, then, when the result will come after this recount?

well... all i'd say is listen to what lloyd wright said. he said we're only going to recount the labour and conservative votes, we are going to check the for the other parties to make sure that labour watery but has not slipped into that required a certain amount of recounting the innocence this is recounting the labour and conservative votes. checking they have not missed anything, crosschecking and crosschecking, but i would say i'd be disappointed if we didn't have a result an hour.— result an hour. right, 0k, marvellous, _ result an hour. right, 0k, marvellous, we _ result an hour. right, 0k, marvellous, we may - result an hour. right, 0k, marvellous, we may be i result an hour. right, ok, i marvellous, we may be back result an hour. right, 0k, - marvellous, we may be back with result an hour. right, 0k, _ marvellous, we may be back with you soon on the news that there is a recount going on in uxbridge and south ruislip but before we return, let's catch up with the latest news with nikki sheller. thanks, jo. as you have been saying votes continue to be counted in the three by—elections that were triggered by the resignation of sitting conservative mps. we are expecting the first declarations in the next hour. a recount has been asked for and granted in the former prime minister, borisjohnson's seat of uxbridge and south ruislip.

in somerton and frome. the liberal democrats have already claimed victory there with a spokesman saying their candidate sarah dyke has "romped home". christine jardine the party's spokesperson for women and equalities is at the count. we are quite confident we have one tonight, we're notjust one, we won decisively because the conservative vote appears to have collapsed. so we are confident that we have one tonight and that sarah dyke will be the new mp and will be a fantastic local champion. the results will be seen as a test of confidence in rishi sunak and his conservative government. the tory mp stephen hammond admitted tojo that it was going to be a difficult night for his party. we for these by—elections very hard, i've been on the ground in uxbridge for almost all of the day and what i hear from a lot of our voters as they were going out today and there wasn't any enthusiasm for keir starmer on the doorsteps at all. but

if it u- starmer on the doorsteps at all. but if it up with conservatives? no, - starmer on the doorsteps at all. but if it up with conservatives? no, the| if it up with conservatives? no, the surrise if it up with conservatives? no, the surprise was _ if it up with conservatives? no, the surprise was as _ if it up with conservatives? no, the surprise was as as _ if it up with conservatives? no, the surprise was as as i _ if it up with conservatives? no, the surprise was as as i have _ if it up with conservatives? no, the surprise was as as i have done - if it up with conservatives? no, the| surprise was as as i have done some of the other by—elections because they will not give you a chance this time because it's a by—election not general election. from the doorsteps today they are going out and voting. labour are hoping to win in uxbridge and south ruislip as well as selby and ainsty. shadow leader of the house says the momentum seems to be with the labour party. now we're looking at a possible swing that's bigger than the thing that happened nationally in the 1997 general election which resulted in labour overwhelming majority. robert has talked about rishi sunak only being in nine months or whatever it is but he was in the previous government, robert! he was part of the previous government, not any old minister, he was a chancellor of the exchequer! away from the by—elections. the head of natwest has apologised to the former ukip leader, nigel farage, for comments made about him in the bank's official papers. dame alison rose called them "deeply inappropriate". mr farage said the apology was only a start

after he claimed his account at coutts bank was closed because of his political views. it was always good to get apologetically from someone in a bank with 19 million customers so thank you for the apology but it does feel ever so slightly forced. the treasury made her do this, i have no doubt about that and i do want to say that the rapid reaction we have had from the british government is superb, full marks to andrew griffiths, the city minister, it also felt a bit like not me guv. this committee, the reputational risk of wealth management committee was actually set up as a direct result of her review within the bank system into diversity. so hard to say what's been said here does not reflect the views of the back, i'm very sorry, but it does. a walkout by senior doctors in england is causing serious disruption to the nhs, with most routine operations being cancelled. consultants are staging their most significant action since the 1970s in a dispute over pay. the british medical association labelled the government's six—percent pay offer as derisory. ministers say the offer is fair.

russia's foreign ministry has imposed tight travel restrictions on british diplomats working in the country. moscow says it's a response to the "hostile actions" of the uk government. it comes amid worsening relations between moscow and london following the invasion of ukraine. diplomats must give at least five days' notice and provide extensive travel details if they want to leave a 75—mile "free movement zone". only the british ambassador and three senior diplomats are exempt. staying with the war in ukraine. the united states has confirmed that us—supplied cluster bombs are being used in ukraine as part of its offensive against the occupying russian forces. the national security advisor, john kirby, said initialfeedback from kyiv suggested the munitions were being utilised effectively and were already having an impact on russia's defensive lines. some nato members expressed concern over washington's decision to supply the weapons to kyiv.

the bombs can kill indiscriminately over a wide area and are banned in more than 100 countries. finally, an edinburgh homeowner has won her battle to keep her front door pink. miranda dickson was ordered to change the colour last year after she painted it bright pink, as planners argued it did not meet the standards of a listed property in a world heritage site. she repainted it green, but after further complaints it was changed again to an off—white shade of pink. that colour sparked another complaint but she has now received approvalfrom officials. so a reminder of the main news. we're expecting the first declarations in the three by—elections in the next hour or so. a reminder — our colleagues on the bbc news website and app have a live page running with the latest from all the counts. i'll be back with an update later. now back tojo and our

election special. you are watching a bbc news by—election results programme with me, jo coburn. the first time in ii me, jo coburn. the first time in 11 years we've had three by—elections on the same day, uxbridge and south ruislip in north—west london, somerton and frome in somerset, and selby and ainsty in north yorkshire. thanks forjoining us as we wait for the results to comment. we have reporters at all three accounts plus expert analysis here in westminster from professor sirjohn curtis and with me in the studio this hour is our panel, northern ireland secretary chris heaton—harris, labour shadow business and industrial secretaryjonathan and industrial secretary jonathan and munira wilson, industrial secretaryjonathan and munira wilson, the liberal democrats. the daily mirror editor jon stevens and natasha clark, achievement correspondence at the

sun. welcome to all of you. in the last 10— 15 minutes or so exciting news out of uxbridge and south ruislip. we thought we were getting the result. in fact, the returning officer has informed the candidates and are corresponded there are shaun ley that a recount is under way. it's a recount between the top two, we don't know it was labour in first position and the conservatives in second or the other way around, but it has led to a recount of what they call those bundles of votes between those two parties. so it looks as if it will be tight, much tighter perhaps in the labour party had thought. you can see that that recount is under way. how long it will take. i am told it shouldn't take too long. but that is the first recount of the night so we could expect a result there in the next 20 minutes or so. let me go tojonathan

reynolds last before i come to you, chris. i getting nervous? is not as clear as labour had thought. goad clear as labour had thought. good morninu. clear as labour had thought. good morning- it _ clear as labour had thought. good morning- it is _ clear as labour had thought. good morning. it is an _ clear as labour had thought. good morning. it is an exciting - clear as labour had thought. (13mm morning. it is an exciting morning. i never get carried away with by—elections even though we are all enjoying this three on the same day. the context of all this has got to be in terms of the broad sway that westminster seats, pretty solid conservative sets, uxbridge is not a place labour one and i and clearly selby would be the biggest swing. i understand that we are about to see you really should be winning. hang on, this is you really should be winning. hang on. this is not— you really should be winning. hang on, this is not crosstalk. - on, this is not crosstalk. in the labour city of london uxbridge and south ruislip, the departing form of ms dove boris johnson quitting their and the majority or swing that you have to overcome is a 7.5%. you've done better than that in recent by—elections, it'd be a huge disappointment. it by-elections, it'd be a huge disappointment. it wouldn't. just because this _ disappointment. it wouldn't. just because this is _ disappointment. it wouldn't. just because this is clearly _ disappointment. it wouldn't. just because this is clearly at - disappointment. it wouldn't. just because this is clearly at the - disappointment. it wouldn't. just because this is clearly at the end | because this is clearly at the end of its energy and outlook, people

have seen labour when every, it is more challenging than that. you can't simply write the conservative party often say no matter where you are in the country automatically for the labour. we don't do that, this is a contest where this is a seat there will always be a challenging one for labour sol there will always be a challenging one for labour so i look at this and think we really see labour when, maybe one of these incredibly strong conservative areas, that would be beyond my wildest dreams. we have to realise we're talking about here and frankly if we have a recount as we have seen, whereas a second simply to have that, saith the labour party, suggest a significant number of people have voted labour for the first time, people who are former conservatives, simply to get that close territory that would therefore allow and permit a recount to take place, so what, i'm optimistic for the evening but know how hard this will be as i am no expectations, that somehow this falls into rollout because of the pollen situation. we

started the evening on the sort of premise that the conservatives would likely lose all three of these by—elections. likely lose all three of these by-elections._ likely lose all three of these b -elections. ., . ., by-elections. feeling more confident now? actually. _ by-elections. feeling more confident now? actually, forgive _ by-elections. feeling more confident now? actually, forgive me, - by-elections. feeling more confident| now? actually, forgive me, jonathan, but i think— now? actually, forgive me, jonathan, but i think you're wrong, i don't think— but i think you're wrong, i don't think there _ but i think you're wrong, i don't think there were as many switches as you say— think there were as many switches as you say in— think there were as many switches as you say in uxbridge and that's been bought— you say in uxbridge and that's been bought out— you say in uxbridge and that's been bought out by the need for a recount _ bought out by the need for a recount. we don't know exactly what's — recount. we don't know exactly what's going on but as i am quite sure _ what's going on but as i am quite sure your— what's going on but as i am quite sure your previous people sat in this it _ sure your previous people sat in this it would have told you, this will be — this it would have told you, this will be a — this it would have told you, this will be a challenging evening for us. will be a challenging evening for us we — will be a challenging evening for us. we would have expected it to be very. _ us. we would have expected it to be very very— us. we would have expected it to be very, very challenging especially in a cyclic— very, very challenging especially in a cyclic uxbridge were labour threw everything — a cyclic uxbridge were labour threw everything at it, whatever in the kitchen — everything at it, whatever in the kitchen sink, canter out at that particular— kitchen sink, canter out at that particular point in time. gotta get going _ particular point in time. gotta get going on— particular point in time. gotta get going on this, gotta get going on this _ going on this, gotta get going on this and — going on this, gotta get going on this. and it isjust i think, i was in uxbridge _ this. and it isjust i think, i was in uxbridge last thursday, it was very different, i stood on a

by—election in 2004 in leicester staff, _ by—election in 2004 in leicester staff, i— by—election in 2004 in leicester staff, i know when the weather is going _ staff, i know when the weather is going against you. how did it feel they are? — going against you. how did it feel they are? it felt 0k, going against you. how did it feel they are? it felt ok, but only felt 0k, they are? it felt ok, but only felt 0k. which— they are? it felt ok, but only felt 0k, which is why think there is been a big _ ok, which is why think there is been a big push— 0k, which is why think there is been a big push by both parties in the last week— a big push by both parties in the last week because it was in play. hear— last week because it was in play. hear from — last week because it was in play. hear from some of the voters you may have been speaking to you on the doorstep on this particularly overriding issue of the ultralow emissions are zoned and will have more of the debate about that in a minute. $5 more of the debate about that in a minute. �* . more of the debate about that in a minute. . , , , ,, more of the debate about that in a minute. a , , ,, , minute. as the business, my customers — minute. as the business, my customers would _ minute. as the business, my customers would have - minute. as the business, my i customers would have invested minute. as the business, my - customers would have invested in their car to keep the car running for another three orfour their car to keep the car running for another three or four years, there had an option but to buy another car. == there had an option but to buy another car-— there had an option but to buy another car. ., ., ., , ., another car. -- had no option. it seems like _ another car. -- had no option. it seems like they _ another car. -- had no option. it seems like they just _ another car. -- had no option. it seems like theyjust don't - another car. -- had no option. it seems like theyjust don't care, | another car. -- had no option. it| seems like theyjust don't care, it is a certain— seems like theyjust don't care, it is a certain age anything, so questions _ is a certain age anything, so questions in my mind, what's all for? _ questions in my mind, what's all for? why— questions in my mind, what's all for? why reality faces that are needed — for? why reality faces that are needed and not listening to people? coated _ needed and not listening to people? coated to _ needed and not listening to people? coated to a certain extent agree that there — coated to a certain extent agree that there are _ coated to a certain extent agree that there are too _ coated to a certain extent agree that there are too many- coated to a certain extent agree| that there are too many vehicles coated to a certain extent agree - that there are too many vehicles but does not _ that there are too many vehicles but does not come — that there are too many vehicles but does not come down _ that there are too many vehicles but does not come down to _ that there are too many vehicles but does not come down to that - that there are too many vehicles but does not come down to that there i

that there are too many vehicles but. does not come down to that there are over populating? _ does not come down to that there are over populating? via _ does not come down to that there are over populating? via building - does not come down to that there are over populating? via building more i over populating? via building more and more _ over populating? via building more and more flights _ over populating? via building more and more flights in— over populating? via building more and more flights in an _ over populating? via building more and more flights in an area. - over populating? via building more and more flights in an area. 'i'herel and more flights in an area. there are some photos _ and more flights in an area. there are some photos in _ and more flights in an area. there are some photos in uxbridge. - and more flights in an area.- are some photos in uxbridge. flat spot back to the hall to the count where that recount is taking place. i think i can see conservative supporters gathering, party faithful looking less gloomy than perhaps they did at the start of the night, so perhaps it really is closer than people imagine. interesting that chris heaton—harris had been out there on the doorsteps and felt ok! maybe a low bar, but obviously not completely in the realms of defeat. now that issue, the ultralow emissions and, that is causing you some problems, isn't it, jonathan? to explain, citi card labour mobility and wants to expand it to london virus including uxbridge and south ruislip and danny beales your candidate has found it difficult to

support. he did not support it, he said they should be a pause. there is a mixed message from labour on this, isn't there? this is a mixed message from labour on this, isn't there?— this, isn't there? this has been an issue in the _ this, isn't there? this has been an issue in the contest, _ this, isn't there? this has been an issue in the contest, no _ this, isn't there? this has been an issue in the contest, no doubt - this, isn't there? this has been an i issue in the contest, no doubt about that. anyone who wants to seek to be ultimately to defend the interests of the area and he said regularly, danny beales public candidates that the cost of the crisis, people are under, he did not want that to extend under constituency and people in this way. for the mayors, wherever they are in the country, they are as a government put on them, 4,000 people i understand died in that of toxic air last year, but a small issue. they have the imperative, but it has been hard on the conservative party has tried to run the campaign essentially around that issue. i would of course say you can maybe get away without a by—election can you do in a general election the contest will be about the last 13 or 14 years of a government that has not delivered,

has created a decline in public services, living standards, so they can get away with this and use the fact that have to put this duty on people in local areas to deliver cleaner and then posit when they take the measures.— take the measures. that's pretty hypocritical. _ take the measures. that's pretty hypocritical, isn't _ take the measures. that's pretty hypocritical, isn't it? _ take the measures. that's pretty hypocritical, isn't it? a _ hypocritical, isn't it? a conservative who, or conservative party who introduced the policy, the low emission zone in the first place, air quality is supposed to be a priority. you put the onus on local authorities and borrowers to meet government targets. yet you are opposing it. get meet government targets. yet you are o- osina it. . meet government targets. yet you are ouosinu it. , ., ., opposing it. get the mayor of what it has a detachable _ opposing it. get the mayor of what it has a detachable don't _ opposing it. get the mayor of what it has a detachable don't live - opposing it. get the mayor of what it has a detachable don't live in - it has a detachable don't live in them. �* . . , it has a detachable don't live in them. a ., , ., , ., , it has a detachable don't live in them. ., , them. actually what this does show somethina them. actually what this does show something else _ them. actually what this does show something else and _ them. actually what this does show something else and by-elections. l them. actually what this does show| something else and by-elections. it something else and by—elections. it is betrayed — something else and by—elections. it is betrayed and by—elections and will never— is betrayed and by—elections and will never change, to win a by—election need something to campaign against. normally it's a dead _ campaign against. normally it's a dead safety because it's the government and that's why governments normally do badly. you've _ governments normally do badly. you've turn this into a referendum on the ultralow missions, something your government has legislated for local authorities to be targets on our quality. we

local authorities to be targets on our quality-— local authorities to be targets on our auali . ~ ., , ., our quality. we have legislated as riuhtl our quality. we have legislated as riahtl so our quality. we have legislated as rightly so it _ our quality. we have legislated as rightly so it crosstalk. - rightly so it crosstalk. how _ rightly so it crosstalk. how are they supposed to meet? there are a whole host _ how are they supposed to meet? there are a whole host ways. _ how are they supposed to meet? there are a whole host ways. andy _ how are they supposed to meet? there are a whole host ways. andy burnham in manchester at the dick khan in london _ in manchester at the dick khan in london are — in manchester at the dick khan in london are penalising people on the outskirts— london are penalising people on the outskirts ad outside of the city is the most — outskirts ad outside of the city is the most i— outskirts ad outside of the city is the most. ., ., ., ., ., the most. i do not in favour of tacklin: the most. i do not in favour of tackling our— the most. i do not in favour of tackling our quality? - the most. i do not in favour of tackling our quality? there i the most. i do not in favour of| tackling our quality? there are hundreds of _ tackling our quality? there are hundreds of ways _ tackling our quality? there are hundreds of ways of _ tackling our quality? there are hundreds of ways of doing - tackling our quality? there are hundreds of ways of doing it. | tackling our quality? there are - hundreds of ways of doing it. there are two ways. _ hundreds of ways of doing it. there are two ways, your— hundreds of ways of doing it. there are two ways, your preferred - hundreds of ways of doing it. ii—iiff are two ways, your preferred option as government which is charging people, let's be clear, the preferred option any advice or help people change their vehicles to more modern and efficient vehicles that won't admit that a problem people. the bit you can draw as the government is the support for that to help people with the transition which you have been not generous with, citi card has tried to get people support to do that, the government has not been. crosstalk. hundred and 10 million he has found that. background in transport, chris. you could have done more. the same with housing, and a campaign against it locally. you

same with housing, and a campaign against it locally.— against it locally. you want to see something — against it locally. you want to see something positive _ against it locally. you want to see something positive in _ against it locally. you want to see something positive in selby - against it locally. you want to see something positive in selby on i against it locally. you want to see i something positive in selby on this? talk about— something positive in selby on this? talk about the positive thing on liz truss. go for it. it's basically the conservative party who put these badly people and campaign against them in local contacts in local elections. it might have a dividend for it this evening but there is no longer term, conservative government in it. it is all about politics, isn't it? you are nodding away on the owners being put on local authorities. are you in favour of the ultra low emission zone expanding? so you in favour of the ultra low emission zone expanding? so we need to clean u- emission zone expanding? so we need to clean up london's _ emission zone expanding? so we need to clean up london's there, _ emission zone expanding? so we need to clean up london's there, there - emission zone expanding? so we need to clean up london's there, there is i to clean up london's there, there is no doubt, _ to clean up london's there, there is no doubt, but — to clean up london's there, there is no doubt, but not _ to clean up london's there, there is no doubt, but not on _ to clean up london's there, there is no doubt, but not on the _ to clean up london's there, there is no doubt, but not on the backs - to clean up london's there, there is no doubt, but not on the backs of i no doubt, but not on the backs of the most — no doubt, but not on the backs of the most vulnerable _ no doubt, but not on the backs of the most vulnerable people. - no doubt, but not on the backs of the most vulnerable people. 0h,| no doubt, but not on the backs of the most vulnerable people. oh, so ou the most vulnerable people. oh, so you are--- — the most vulnerable people. oh, so you are--- no. _ the most vulnerable people. oh, so you are... no, we _ the most vulnerable people. oh, so you are... no, we have _ the most vulnerable people. oh, so you are... no, we have been - the most vulnerable people. oh, so you are... no, we have been clear. you are... no, we have been clear all the way — you are... no, we have been clear all the way through, _ you are... no, we have been clear all the way through, we _ you are... no, we have been clear all the way through, we said - you are... no, we have been clear all the way through, we said it - you are... no, we have been clear. all the way through, we said it does need _ all the way through, we said it does need more — all the way through, we said it does need more time _ all the way through, we said it does need more time to— all the way through, we said it does need more time to be _ all the way through, we said it does need more time to be expanded. i all the way through, we said it does. need more time to be expanded. chris was slightly— need more time to be expanded. chris was slightly disingenuous _ need more time to be expanded. chris was slightly disingenuous because - need more time to be expanded. chris was slightly disingenuous because it i was slightly disingenuous because it was slightly disingenuous because it was boris _ was slightly disingenuous because it was borisjohnson _ was slightly disingenuous because it was boris johnson as _ was slightly disingenuous because it was boris johnson as mayor - was slightly disingenuous because it was boris johnson as mayor of - was slightly disingenuous because it i was boris johnson as mayor of london who issued _ was boris johnson as mayor of london who issued it. — was boris johnson as mayor of london who issued it. it— was boris johnson as mayor of london who issued it, it was— was boris johnson as mayor of london who issued it, it was expanded - was boris johnson as mayor of london who issued it, it was expanded hour, i who issued it, it was expanded hour, first of— who issued it, it was expanded hour, first of all. _ who issued it, it was expanded hour, first of all. to — who issued it, it was expanded hour, first of all, to sell _ who issued it, it was expanded hour, first of all, to sell circular, _ first of all, to sell circular, people _ first of all, to sell circular, people have _ first of all, to sell circular, people have three - first of all, to sell circular,

people have three years i first of all, to sell circular, j people have three years to first of all, to sell circular, - people have three years to adjust to adapt _ people have three years to adjust to adapt and _ people have three years to adjust to adapt and change _ people have three years to adjust to adapt and change their— people have three years to adjust to adapt and change their cars. - people have three years to adjust to adapt and change their cars. this i adapt and change their cars. this time _ adapt and change their cars. this time we're — adapt and change their cars. this time we're getting _ adapt and change their cars. this time we're getting an _ adapt and change their cars. this time we're getting an expansionl time we're getting an expansion right— time we're getting an expansion right out— time we're getting an expansion right out to _ time we're getting an expansion right out to the _ time we're getting an expansion right out to the outer— time we're getting an expansion right out to the outer edges - time we're getting an expansion right out to the outer edges of i right out to the outer edges of london — right out to the outer edges of london in _ right out to the outer edges of london in the _ right out to the outer edges of london in the space _ right out to the outer edges of london in the space of- right out to the outer edges of london in the space of nine i right out to the outer edges of - london in the space of nine months in the _ london in the space of nine months in the loop— london in the space of nine months in the loop -- — london in the space of nine months in the loop -- in— london in the space of nine months in the loop —— in the _ london in the space of nine months in the loop —— in the midst - london in the space of nine months in the loop —— in the midst of- london in the space of nine months in the loop —— in the midst of a - in the loop —— in the midst of a cost-of-living _ in the loop —— in the midst of a cost—of—living crisis. _ in the loop —— in the midst of a cost—of—living crisis. the - in the loop —— in the midst of a i cost—of—living crisis. the timing in the loop —— in the midst of a . cost—of—living crisis. the timing of the speed — cost—of—living crisis. the timing of the speed at— cost—of—living crisis. the timing of the speed at which _ cost—of—living crisis. the timing of the speed at which it _ cost—of—living crisis. the timing of the speed at which it has - cost—of—living crisis. the timing of the speed at which it has been - the speed at which it has been rolled — the speed at which it has been rolled out, _ the speed at which it has been rolled out, expanded, - the speed at which it has been rolled out, expanded, is- the speed at which it has been - rolled out, expanded, is reckless. it was _ rolled out, expanded, is reckless. it was liberal— rolled out, expanded, is reckless. it was liberal democrats - rolled out, expanded, is reckless. it was liberal democrats at - rolled out, expanded, is reckless. it was liberal democrats at city i it was liberal democrats at city hall who — it was liberal democrats at city hall who amended _ it was liberal democrats at city hall who amended the - it was liberal democrats at city hall who amended the mayor's| it was liberal democrats at city - hall who amended the mayor's budget to provide _ hall who amended the mayor's budget to provide support _ hall who amended the mayor's budget to provide support to _ hall who amended the mayor's budget to provide support to the _ hall who amended the mayor's budget to provide support to the poorest - to provide support to the poorest and most — to provide support to the poorest and most vulnerable _ to provide support to the poorest and most vulnerable to _ to provide support to the poorest and most vulnerable to change i to provide support to the poorest i and most vulnerable to change their cars and _ and most vulnerable to change their cars and it _ and most vulnerable to change their cars and it was— and most vulnerable to change their cars and it was the _ and most vulnerable to change their cars and it was the labour _ and most vulnerable to change their cars and it was the labour who - cars and it was the labour who throughout— cars and it was the labour who throughout that _ cars and it was the labour who throughout that amendment i cars and it was the labour who i throughout that amendment and cars and it was the labour who - throughout that amendment and we have also— throughout that amendment and we have also called _ throughout that amendment and we have also called for— throughout that amendment and we have also called for support - throughout that amendment and we have also called for support for - have also called for support for those _ have also called for support for those outside _ have also called for support for those outside of— have also called for support for those outside of london - have also called for support for those outside of london who i have also called for support for. those outside of london who are travelling — those outside of london who are travelling in _ those outside of london who are travelling in. nurses— those outside of london who are travelling in. nurses and - those outside of london who are i travelling in. nurses and teachers can't _ travelling in. nurses and teachers can't afford — travelling in. nurses and teachers can't afford to _ travelling in. nurses and teachers can't afford to live _ travelling in. nurses and teachers can't afford to live in _ travelling in. nurses and teachers can't afford to live in my- can't afford to live in my constituency _ can't afford to live in my constituency and - can't afford to live in my constituency and shift i can't afford to live in my- constituency and shift workers can't afford to live in my— constituency and shift workers can't afford _ constituency and shift workers can't afford to _ constituency and shift workers can't afford to live — constituency and shift workers can't afford to live in _ constituency and shift workers can't afford to live in my— constituency and shift workers can't afford to live in my constituency. i afford to live in my constituency. and, _ afford to live in my constituency. and. often — afford to live in my constituency. and. often in— afford to live in my constituency. and, often in older— afford to live in my constituency. and, often in older cars. - afford to live in my constituency. and, often in older cars. the - and, often in older cars. the conservatives— and, often in older cars. the conservatives are _ and, often in older cars. the conservatives are provided i and, often in older cars. the - conservatives are provided money scrubbing — conservatives are provided money scrubbing schemes _ conservatives are provided money scrubbing schemes in _ conservatives are provided money scrubbing schemes in places- conservatives are provided money scrubbing schemes in places like i scrubbing schemes in places like still. _ scrubbing schemes in places like still, manchester. _ scrubbing schemes in places like still, manchester. we _ scrubbing schemes in places like still, manchester. we said - scrubbing schemes in places like still, manchester. we said for. scrubbing schemes in places like. still, manchester. we said for the surrounding — still, manchester. we said for the surrounding areas— still, manchester. we said for the surrounding areas outside - still, manchester. we said for the surrounding areas outside londonj still, manchester. we said for the - surrounding areas outside london the government— surrounding areas outside london the government should _ surrounding areas outside london the government should also _ surrounding areas outside london the government should also be _ surrounding areas outside london the| government should also be supporting them describe — government should also be supporting them describe their— government should also be supporting them describe their cars, _ government should also be supporting them describe their cars, but - government should also be supporting them describe their cars, but they- them describe their cars, but they have _ them describe their cars, but they have refused _ them describe their cars, but they have refused to _ them describe their cars, but they have refused to step _ them describe their cars, but they have refused to step up _ them describe their cars, but they have refused to step up so - them describe their cars, but they have refused to step up so we - them describe their cars, but they. have refused to step up so we need more _ have refused to step up so we need more support— have refused to step up so we need more support and _ have refused to step up so we need more support and we _ have refused to step up so we need more support and we need - have refused to step up so we need more support and we need more i have refused to step up so we need i more support and we need more time and has _ more support and we need more time and has been — more support and we need more time and has been a — more support and we need more time and has been a consistent— more support and we need more time and has been a consistent decision i and has been a consistent decision by the _

and has been a consistent decision by the liberal— and has been a consistent decision by the liberal democrats - and has been a consistent decision by the liberal democrats becausel and has been a consistent decision i by the liberal democrats because we do need _ by the liberal democrats because we do need to— by the liberal democrats because we do need to clean— by the liberal democrats because we do need to clean up— by the liberal democrats because we do need to clean up our— by the liberal democrats because we do need to clean up our air. - by the liberal democrats because we do need to clean up our air. [5 - by the liberal democrats because we do need to clean up our air.— do need to clean up our air. is this a classic case _ do need to clean up our air. is this a classic case of _ do need to clean up our air. is this a classic case of aspirations - do need to clean up our air. is this a classic case of aspirations on - do need to clean up our air. is thisj a classic case of aspirations on the environment, on climate change, on air pollution, and yet when it comes to actually delivering them in terms of putting in place policies like an ultra low emission zone, or a burning it, and you're absolutely right, it was johnson burning it, and you're absolutely right, it wasjohnson as a conservative who introduced it initially, sadiq khan was to expand it and politically approved to be extremely difficult. fii it and politically approved to be extremely difficult.— it and politically approved to be extremely difficult. of course. we will see this _ extremely difficult. of course. we will see this with _ extremely difficult. of course. we will see this with net _ extremely difficult. of course. we will see this with net zero - will see this with net zero emissions _ will see this with net zero emissions 5—10 _ will see this with net zero emissions 5—10 years, - will see this with net zero - emissions 5—10 years, policies the central— emissions 5—10 years, policies the central government— emissions 5—10 years, policies the central government had _ emissions 5—10 years, policies the central government had put- emissions 5—10 years, policies the central government had put in- emissions 5—10 years, policies the i central government had put in place, the laws, _ central government had put in place, the laws, getting _ central government had put in place, the laws, getting to _ central government had put in place, the laws, getting to net _ central government had put in place, the laws, getting to net zero - central government had put in place, the laws, getting to net zero by- the laws, getting to net zero by 2050 _ the laws, getting to net zero by 2050 will— the laws, getting to net zero by 2050 will be _ the laws, getting to net zero by 2050 will be really— the laws, getting to net zero by 2050 will be really difficult - the laws, getting to net zero byl 2050 will be really difficult when it comes — 2050 will be really difficult when it comes down _ 2050 will be really difficult when it comes down to _ 2050 will be really difficult when it comes down to the _ 2050 will be really difficult when it comes down to the crunch - 2050 will be really difficult when i it comes down to the crunch exactly how those _ it comes down to the crunch exactly how those policies _ it comes down to the crunch exactly how those policies are _ it comes down to the crunch exactly. how those policies are implemented. we know— how those policies are implemented. we know thinking _ how those policies are implemented. we know thinking back _ how those policies are implemented. we know thinking back to _ how those policies are implemented. we know thinking back to that - how those policies are implemented. we know thinking back to that chart i we know thinking back to that chart we saw _ we know thinking back to that chart we saw earlier, _ we know thinking back to that chart we saw earlier, think _ we know thinking back to that chart we saw earlier, think it— we know thinking back to that chart we saw earlier, think it was - we know thinking back to that chart we saw earlier, think it was number five, _ we saw earlier, think it was number five. the _ we saw earlier, think it was number five, the environment, _ we saw earlier, think it was number five, the environment, on - we saw earlier, think it was number five, the environment, on that, - five, the environment, on that, voters — five, the environment, on that, voters obviously— five, the environment, on that, voters obviously care _ five, the environment, on that, voters obviously care about. . five, the environment, on that, voters obviously care about. it. five, the environment, on that, i voters obviously care about. it is not the — voters obviously care about. it is not the top — voters obviously care about. it is not the top priority— voters obviously care about. it is not the top priority at _ voters obviously care about. it is not the top priority at the - voters obviously care about. it is i not the top priority at the moment of the _ not the top priority at the moment of the cost — not the top priority at the moment of the cost of— not the top priority at the moment of the cost of living _ not the top priority at the moment of the cost of living is _ not the top priority at the moment of the cost of living is that - not the top priority at the moment of the cost of living is that the - of the cost of living is that the priority— of the cost of living is that the priority in— of the cost of living is that the priority in judging _ of the cost of living is that the priority in judging voters - of the cost of living is that the j priority injudging voters more money— priority injudging voters more money and _ priority injudging voters more money and obviously - priority injudging voters more money and obviously there - priority injudging voters more money and obviously there is. priority injudging voters more | money and obviously there is a scrappy— money and obviously there is a scrappy situation _ money and obviously there is a scrappy situation in _ money and obviously there is a scrappy situation in place, - money and obviously there is a scrappy situation in place, he i scrappy situation in place, he starmer— scrappy situation in place, he starmer l _ scrappy situation in place, he starmer i think— scrappy situation in place, he starmer i think is— scrappy situation in place, he starmer i think is that - scrappy situation in place, he starmer i think is that he - scrappy situation in place, he i starmer i think is that he would increase — starmer i think is that he would increase the _ starmer i think is that he would increase the budget _ starmer i think is that he would increase the budget of - starmer i think is that he would increase the budget of that, - starmer i think is that he would | increase the budget of that, the

conservatives _ increase the budget of that, the conservatives would _ increase the budget of that, the conservatives would muster - increase the budget of that, the i conservatives would muster policy. it will _ conservatives would muster policy. it will be _ conservatives would muster policy. it will be interesting _ conservatives would muster policy. it will be interesting to _ conservatives would muster policy. it will be interesting to know - conservatives would muster policy. it will be interesting to know what. it will be interesting to know what they think— it will be interesting to know what they think about _ it will be interesting to know what they think about that. _ it will be interesting to know what they think about that. clearly, - it will be interesting to know what they think about that. clearly, if. they think about that. clearly, if labour— they think about that. clearly, if labour don't _ they think about that. clearly, if labour don't succeed _ they think about that. clearly, if labour don't succeed in- they think about that. clearly, if labour don't succeed in winning| they think about that. clearly, if- labour don't succeed in winning this seat, _ labour don't succeed in winning this seat. it— labour don't succeed in winning this seat. it is— labour don't succeed in winning this seat. it is clear— labour don't succeed in winning this seat, it is clear you _ labour don't succeed in winning this seat, it is clear you will— labour don't succeed in winning this seat, it is clear you will have - labour don't succeed in winning this seat, it is clear you will have paid i seat, it is clear you will have paid a really _ seat, it is clear you will have paid a really big — seat, it is clear you will have paid a really big part _ seat, it is clear you will have paid a really big part of— seat, it is clear you will have paid a really big part of this— seat, it is clear you will have paid| a really big part of this campaign. that will— a really big part of this campaign. that will be — a really big part of this campaign. that will be a _ a really big part of this campaign. that will be a real _ a really big part of this campaign. that will be a real problem - a really big part of this campaign. that will be a real problem for. a really big part of this campaign. that will be a real problem for sirj that will be a real problem for sir keir starmer, _ that will be a real problem for sir keir starmer, because _ that will be a real problem for sir keir starmer, because he- that will be a real problem for sir keir starmer, because he has- that will be a real problem for sir| keir starmer, because he has this really— keir starmer, because he has this really tie — keir starmer, because he has this really tie balance _ keir starmer, because he has this really tie balance to _ keir starmer, because he has this really tie balance to strike - keir starmer, because he has this. really tie balance to strike between sadiq _ really tie balance to strike between sadiq khan. — really tie balance to strike between sadiq khan. the _ really tie balance to strike between sadiq khan, the mayor— really tie balance to strike between sadiq khan, the mayor of— really tie balance to strike between sadiq khan, the mayor of london, i really tie balance to strike between i sadiq khan, the mayor of london, his policy— sadiq khan, the mayor of london, his policy is _ sadiq khan, the mayor of london, his policy is to— sadiq khan, the mayor of london, his policy is to expand _ sadiq khan, the mayor of london, his policy is to expand this, _ sadiq khan, the mayor of london, his policy is to expand this, and - policy is to expand this, and obviously— policy is to expand this, and obviously in _ policy is to expand this, and obviously in the _ policy is to expand this, and obviously in the campaign i policy is to expand this, and i obviously in the campaign he policy is to expand this, and - obviously in the campaign he was asked _ obviously in the campaign he was asked about _ obviously in the campaign he was asked about it _ obviously in the campaign he was asked about it repeatedly- obviously in the campaign he was asked about it repeatedly and - obviously in the campaign he was| asked about it repeatedly and had obviously in the campaign he was i asked about it repeatedly and had to id asked about it repeatedly and had to go on _ asked about it repeatedly and had to go on the _ asked about it repeatedly and had to go on the edge — asked about it repeatedly and had to go on the edge and _ asked about it repeatedly and had to go on the edge and was _ asked about it repeatedly and had to go on the edge and was squirming i go on the edge and was squirming around _ go on the edge and was squirming around is — go on the edge and was squirming around is quite _ go on the edge and was squirming around is quite a _ go on the edge and was squirming around is quite a lot. _ go on the edge and was squirming around is quite a lot.— go on the edge and was squirming around is quite a lot. john. it - around is quite a lot. john. it seems like — around is quite a lot. john. it seems like this _ around is quite a lot. john. it seems like this is _ around is quite a lot. john. it seems like this is the - around is quite a lot. john. it seems like this is the policy. around is quite a lotm it. seems like this is the policy that has lost the seat for labour, texting people... has lost the seat for labour, texting people. . ._ has lost the seat for labour, texting people... 0h, they think it is one? texting people... 0h, they think it is gone? 0n _ texting people... 0h, they think it is gone? on the _ texting people... 0h, they think it is gone? on the first _ texting people... oh, they think it is gone? on the first hour - texting people... oh, they think it is gone? on the first hour level. texting people... oh, they think it. is gone? on the first hour level was behind about _ is gone? on the first hour level was behind about 400 _ is gone? on the first hour level was behind about 400 votes _ is gone? on the first hour level was behind about 400 votes and - is gone? on the first hour level was i behind about 400 votes and obviously it may be closer than that —— on the first count labour was behind. it would be difficult to see a recount with numbers that are about 400. you will see a big postmortem tonight and tomorrow night, but what happens to this policy, is due to be —— extended at the end of next month, there will be people in city hall and their argument has been once it actually gets rolled out and people

realise it only applies to 10% of cars, the fear will go away, things will settle down, but i think there will settle down, but i think there will be many people in the leadership of the labour party, possibly labour mps in those seats kind out from london worrying about this who want to put pressure on sadiq khan and be putting those questions forward should this be delayed or should go ahead at the end of next month? but delayed or should go ahead at the end of next month?— delayed or should go ahead at the end of next month? but the policy reall is end of next month? but the policy really is associated _ end of next month? but the policy really is associated with _ end of next month? but the policy really is associated with sadiq - really is associated with sadiq khan, labour. will you be blaming sadiq khan if you lose this siege tonight? sadiq khan if you lose this siege toni . ht? �* . sadiq khan if you lose this siege toniaht? fl , ., tonight? let's get the resultant -- seat tonight- _ tonight? let's get the resultant -- seat tonight. people _ tonight? let's get the resultant -- seat tonight. people who - tonight? let's get the resultant -- seat tonight. people who are - seat tonight. people who are directly— seat tonight. people who are directly elected mayors have a mandate, a legal responsibility put on them _ mandate, a legal responsibility put on them on the people to deliver certain— on them on the people to deliver certain things. we, as a country, will have — certain things. we, as a country, will have to — certain things. we, as a country, will have to get more used to the fact that — will have to get more used to the fact that devolution is a direction, there _ fact that devolution is a direction, there will— fact that devolution is a direction, there will be differences of policies _ there will be differences of policies between different areas, even _ policies between different areas, even cities or places where they have _ even cities or places where they have them. that will be a fact of life _ have them. that will be a fact of life there —

have them. that will be a fact of life. there is no doubt, think we'll -et life. there is no doubt, think we'll get a _ life. there is no doubt, think we'll get a broader view of where the national— get a broader view of where the national picture is perhaps from selby— national picture is perhaps from selby later on in the morning because _ selby later on in the morning because of the influence of this particular— because of the influence of this particular local issue in this by—election. particular local issue in this by-election-_ particular local issue in this b-election. ., ., ., by-election. you have mentioned selb . by-election. you have mentioned selby- they _ by-election. you have mentioned selby. they think _ by-election. you have mentioned selby. they think we _ by-election. you have mentioned selby. they think we can - by-election. you have mentioned selby. they think we can go - by-election. you have mentioned selby. they think we can go to i by-election. you have mentioned i selby. they think we can go to selby and ainsty in north yorkshire and talk to david wallace lockhart who was there for us. hello to you. it looks as though we could be getting closer to results on the other two by—elections. how is it looking in selby and ainsty? by-elections. how is it looking in selby and ainsty?— selby and ainsty? well, it is potentially _ selby and ainsty? well, it is potentially looking - selby and ainsty? well, it is potentially looking like - selby and ainsty? well, it is potentially looking like we i selby and ainsty? well, it is i potentially looking like we may selby and ainsty? well, it is - potentially looking like we may get a result a bit sooner than we were drinking at the beginning of the night, 3am at something like that being discussed. they are counting away quite rapidly here. things perhaps getting close to some sort of conclusion. why will say having chatted to people here that it does feel like perhaps slightly more optimism going on the labour side, slightly more pessimism on the

conservative side, they both sets of supporters than that things appear to be quite close. someone who might be able to give is a bit more insight into how things are looking at the moment is due to commings, the labour mp for bradford south. how are you feeling at this point? optimistic? ——judith cummins. lode optimistic? -- judith cummins. we ran a optimistic? —— judith cummins. we ran a good positive campaign in selby— ran a good positive campaign in selby ben— ran a good positive campaign in selby ben ainslie, we had a great candidate — selby ben ainslie, we had a great candidate you came and spoke to so many— candidate you came and spoke to so many people in selby and a sleep spoke _ many people in selby and a sleep spoke to— many people in selby and a sleep spoke to so many, he will be great mp if— spoke to so many, he will be great mp if we _ spoke to so many, he will be great mp if we are lucky enough to get it, we can't _ mp if we are lucky enough to get it, we can't call— mp if we are lucky enough to get it, we can't call it italy votes are counted. _ we can't call it italy votes are counted. i_ we can't call it italy votes are counted, i don't know more than you but i counted, idon't know more than you but i know— counted, i don't know more than you but i know we ran a really positive campaign — but i know we ran a really positive campaign here. but i know we ran a really positive campaign here-— campaign here. over 20,000 conservative _ campaign here. over 20,000 conservative majority - campaign here. over 20,000 conservative majority here. i campaign here. over 20,000 i conservative majority here. we campaign here. over 20,000 - conservative majority here. we don't know how the results are going, they said it looks simply for labour. what are the issues coming up on the doorstep? what has led to people coming over to labour, by the looks of things, and making the seat in play? i of things, and making the seat in -la ? ~' of things, and making the seat in .la 7 ~' , ., ., of things, and making the seat in 43? ~ , . play? i think is fair to say the cost of living _

play? i think is fair to say the cost of living and _ play? i think is fair to say the cost of living and mortgagesl play? i think is fair to say the . cost of living and mortgages is play? i think is fair to say the i cost of living and mortgages is a massive — cost of living and mortgages is a massive issue here, it is mortgages and renting — massive issue here, it is mortgages and renting also. people are sick and renting also. people are sick and tired — and renting also. people are sick and tired of the tory government here _ and tired of the tory government here in— and tired of the tory government here in selby and ainsty and they are, you — here in selby and ainsty and they are, you know, they are just fed up with it _ are, you know, they are just fed up with it so— are, you know, they are just fed up with it. so they talked was about change. — with it. so they talked was about change, they have talked to us about a fresh _ change, they have talked to us about a fresh start — change, they have talked to us about a fresh start and that is what people — a fresh start and that is what people are bothered about, they are bothered _ people are bothered about, they are bothered about them and their families— bothered about them and their families and their families' futures~ _ families and their families' futures. . ~ families and their families' futures. ., ,, ., . ., ., futures. talk about change in a fresh start. _ futures. talk about change in a fresh start, something - futures. talk about change in a fresh start, something keir - futures. talk about change in a - fresh start, something keir starmer has faced criticism about is a lot of what he has a doesn't sound must change. this week was the jury over the two child benefit gatwa he said that a labour government would be keeping that. is that something coming up on the doorstep, is that not something labour should be pledging to change was blue what people are bringing up with us on the doorstep was the housing in terms of their mortgages and the interest rates and the fact that the economy has been tense, they are not happy, they are suffering from it, they really are finding it very hard, the cost of living is really

impacting on them and their families, they find it very difficult indeed. how would having a labour mp chaser? i

knocked — mountain to climb and if we've knocked anything of that majority or even if _ knocked anything of that majority or even if we _ knocked anything of that majority or even if we get over the line and actually— even if we get over the line and actually win here it is a massive achievement for labour. if actually win here it is a massive achievement for labour. if there is defeat in uxbridge _ achievement for labour. if there is defeat in uxbridge but _ achievement for labour. if there is defeat in uxbridge but victory - achievement for labour. if there is | defeat in uxbridge but victory here, what does that mean for labour? should they be coming out of tonight positive or a bit doubtful about how the national picture looks? i positive or a bit doubtful about how the national picture looks?- the national picture looks? i think what i will say _ the national picture looks? i think what i will say is _ the national picture looks? i think what i will say is a _ the national picture looks? i think what i will say is a have _ the national picture looks? i think what i will say is a have been - the national picture looks? i think| what i will say is a have been here in selby— what i will say is a have been here in selby and — what i will say is a have been here in selby and ainsty and, do forgive me, in selby and ainsty and, do forgive me. but— in selby and ainsty and, do forgive me, but my— in selby and ainsty and, do forgive me, but my head has very much been here in— me, but my head has very much been here in selby— me, but my head has very much been here in selby and ainsty and only heard _ here in selby and ainsty and only heard the — here in selby and ainsty and only heard the news about oxbridge only recount _ heard the news about oxbridge only recount by _ heard the news about oxbridge only recount by the press, i'm sorry, i am here — recount by the press, i'm sorry, i am here in— recount by the press, i'm sorry, i am here in selby and ainsty and we fought— am here in selby and ainsty and we fought a _ am here in selby and ainsty and we fought a really positive campaign here uxbridge. we fought a really positive campaign here uxbridge.— here uxbridge. we spoke to the conservative _ here uxbridge. we spoke to the conservative mp _ here uxbridge. we spoke to the conservative mp earlier - here uxbridge. we spoke to the conservative mp earlier tonight| here uxbridge. we spoke to the - conservative mp earlier tonight and we asked him to call it. he sort of budgeted, i have to see. j we asked him to call it. he sort of budgeted, i have to see.j hope we asked him to call it. he sort of budgeted, i have to see. j hope you won't be doing. if you had to put money on it, is this going to be a labour seat tonight? this money on it, is this going to be a labour seat tonight?— money on it, is this going to be a labour seat tonight? this is where e e will labour seat tonight? this is where eye will agree _ labour seat tonight? this is where eye will agree with _ labour seat tonight? this is where eye will agree with my _ labour seat tonight? this is where l eye will agree with my conservative colleague _ eye will agree with my conservative colleague and i will fudge it. i can't — colleague and i will fudge it. i can't call— colleague and i will fudge it. i can't call an election. it is going to be _ can't call an election. it is going to be close _ can't call an election. it is going to be close it will be close, if we win this — to be close it will be close, if we

win this fantastic. but it is the people — win this fantastic. but it is the people who decide these things and we have _ people who decide these things and we have got our counting agency accounting away and hopefully they will get _ accounting away and hopefully they will get the results soon. i hope it is a good — will get the results soon. i hope it is a good result for labour.- is a good result for labour. judith cummins. — is a good result for labour. judith cummins, labour _ is a good result for labour. judith cummins, labour mp _ is a good result for labour. judith cummins, labour mp for- is a good result for labour. inc in cummins, labour mp for bradford south, thank you for giving us some of your time. not much political agreement in this by—election campaign, but both conservative and labour mps refusing on live tv to 100% call the result, so perhaps there is some consensus in politics in selby and ainsty.— in selby and ainsty. david, you robabl in selby and ainsty. david, you probably have _ in selby and ainsty. david, you probably have another - in selby and ainsty. david, you probably have another hour- in selby and ainsty. david, you probably have another hour or| in selby and ainsty. david, you i probably have another hour or so in selby and ainsty. david, you - probably have another hour or so to work on that to see if you get a prediction or result. thank you very much. david wallace lockhart in selby and ainsty. let's come back to jonathan, you are the shadow business and industrial secretary. the key issues for voters, well, you probably don't have to look at the graph here to know the economy is the number one issue at 61%, this is for voters generally. and that is

unsurprising. inflation, the rate of inflation is still high at 7.9% and we will talk about what labour would do to deal with that. helfet 47%. unsurprising. immigration and asylum at 34%. the environment at 27%. housing may be surprisingly at 21%. let's go back to the economy. what could labour do to actually move the dial if it was your decision to make changes on the economy?- dial if it was your decision to make changes on the economy? there is low that could be — changes on the economy? there is low that could be done. _ changes on the economy? there is low that could be done. first _ changes on the economy? there is low that could be done. first of— changes on the economy? there is low that could be done. first of all, - that could be done. first of all, yes, inflation is high now and the energy price has been incredibly difficult for people. but the last 13 years have been very disappointing for the economy by any kind of historical standing in the uk and had to how we have done in puzzle how our peers have done. the kind of things this country needs to do is attract greater business investment, rates of business investment, rates of business investment in the g7... whitaker corporation tax? no, when the

government did that it didn't work. we have had the benefit is in quite a lot of value of the past ten years. i would have a proper industrial strategy so there is stability in the uk, green prosperity the investment in net zero... ., ., ., ., zero... you are delaying that a little bit- _ zero... you are delaying that a little bit. well, _ zero... you are delaying that a little bit. well, you _ zero... you are delaying that a little bit. well, you have - zero... you are delaying that a little bit. well, you have spent half £1 billion _ little bit. well, you have spent half £1 billion yesterday - little bit. well, you have spent half £1 billion yesterday on - little bit. well, you have spent half £1 billion yesterday on the factory, we can put that on the baseline. that is good for top a third would be improving the breeza deal because our trading relationship with the european union can be done in a better way, not revising the elements of the past but improving the deal. fixing business rates, the apprenticeship levy. there is a range of what can be done. it is not one particular thing that will change so many years of failure. it is about recognising that if we go on as it is with the current rate of economic growth the rest —— questions you will have, it will be even harder to do that. am absolutely confident that the kind of things we're at that will improve the performance of the uk relative to our rivals in several different areas is the kind of change, the

long—term transitional change we need. long-term transitional change we need. ~ ., long-term transitional change we need. ., long-term transitional change we need. ~ ., , ., ., need. what positive vision have the tories got. — need. what positive vision have the tories got. not _ need. what positive vision have the tories got, notjust _ need. what positive vision have the tories got, notjust at _ need. what positive vision have the tories got, not just at these - tories got, not just at these by—elections were generally in terms of the economy, when you look at the pledges of rishi sunak, he hasn't delivered on any of them. when you say that is because he hasn't yet had enough time, but he is not close on any of the five, halving the inflation, growing economy, cutting waiting list, and stopping the boats. ., , . waiting list, and stopping the boats. ., , ., , boats. people are beginning to see this victory of _ boats. people are beginning to see this victory of this _ boats. people are beginning to see this victory of this pledges - boats. people are beginning to see this victory of this pledges being i this victory of this pledges being proven — this victory of this pledges being roven. ., ., , , ., proven. inflation is still at some .9%, proven. inflation is still at some .9%. having _ proven. inflation is still at some .9%, having been _ proven. inflation is still at some .9%, having been stuck- proven. inflation is still at some .9%, having been stuck at - proven. inflation is still at some | .9%, having been stuck at about proven. inflation is still at some i .9%, having been stuck at about a proven. inflation is still at some - .9%, having been stuck at about a .5 or over. it .9%, having been stuck at about a .5 or over. . . . .9%, having been stuck at about a .5 or over. ., , ., ., ., or over. it was higher than that at one point- — or over. it was higher than that at one point- it _ or over. it was higher than that at one point. it was! _ or over. it was higher than that at one point. it was! it— or over. it was higher than that at one point. it was! it is— or over. it was higher than that at one point. it was! it is to - or over. it was higher than that at one point. it was! it is to halve i one point. it was! it is to halve inflation and _ one point. it was! it is to halve inflation and that _ one point. it was! it is to halve inflation and that is _ one point. it was! it is to halve inflation and that is what - one point. it was! it is to halve inflation and that is what we'll| one point. it was! it is to halve i inflation and that is what we'll do. what _ inflation and that is what we'll do. what is _ inflation and that is what we'll do. what is it— inflation and that is what we'll do. what is it rishi sunak and eggimann have done to bring down inflation. we have relied on the bank of england to raise interest rates. we have been negotiating with public sector— have been negotiating with public sector workers to make sure we have pay increase — sector workers to make sure we have pay increase levels that are affordable to the contrary are not as inflationary as the ones labour would _ as inflationary as the ones labour would like — as inflationary as the ones labour would like to have seen and we're

pledging — would like to have seen and we're pledging tons of money makes inflation — pledging tons of money makes inflation a lot worse. that pledging tons of money makes inflation a lot worse. that said, is not paying — inflation a lot worse. that said, is not paying people- _ inflation a lot worse. that said, is not paying people. as _ inflation a lot worse. that said, is not paying people. as the - inflation a lot worse. that said, is not paying people. as the only i not paying people. as the only policy you have a new have to accept the pay review decisions after all of that neither strife and lack of respect for public sector workers, all you have got, joe is right, you behalf of the bank of england monetary policy, as you would expect, there is no government plan or policy other than refusing to pay people and then you have had to retreat on that because you could not retain people in the workforce. managing public finances and that is what drives, unfortunately, jonathan, should there ever be a misfortune of a labour government again. _ misfortune of a labour government again. that — misfortune of a labour government again, that is what the public finances _ again, that is what the public finances is, drives a will cut the debt — finances is, drives a will cut the debt... ~ ., i. ., ., . debt... when are you going to cut it? what is _ debt... when are you going to cut it? what is going _ debt... when are you going to cut it? what is going to _ debt... when are you going to cut it? what is going to cut _ debt... when are you going to cut it? what is going to cut the - debt... when are you going to cut it? what is going to cut the debt? it is at £3 million given to form a conservative mps who served in the liz truss government after you cross the economy and then they take jobs days later. should they give the money back? you are picking back on

people. we are talking the economy which counts for everybody. ii a which counts for everybody. if a minister has _ which counts for everybody. if a minister has taken a five figure summ — minister has taken a five figure sum... �* �* . minister has taken a five figure sum... �* h. sum... all right, let's stick with the policies _ sum. .. all right, let's stick with the policies or— sum... all right, let's stick with the policies or perhaps - sum... all right, let's stick with the policies or perhaps a - sum... all right, let's stick with the policies or perhaps a lack i sum... all right, let's stick with j the policies or perhaps a lack of them are some people might say. in terms of changing the dial on the economy, you mentioned the pay deals for recommendations the government have accepted. why did it take so long? because actually optimists have said the strikes have been one of the main reasons for a lack of productivity and lack of growth because of love so many sectors on strike. �* . . , , because of love so many sectors on strike. ~ . ., , , because of love so many sectors on strike. �* . ., , , strike. actually, why it took so loni is strike. actually, why it took so long is because _ strike. actually, why it took so long is because we _ strike. actually, why it took so long is because we are - strike. actually, why it took so - long is because we are negotiating with unions who are doing the best, i quite like unions in general terms, i think there are one of the few tories that does but i have a lot of respect for unions in that space. but some of the asks were astronomical and some outstanding ones... how we resolve that? it

takes time and they've now seen what's on the table and we will have to negotiate and wait and see that dialogue is how you deal with these things and it has always been the way. things and it has always been the wa . ~ ., . things and it has always been the wa. way. munira wilson, dialogue... the rtog doctors _ way. munira wilson, dialogue... the rtog doctors is _ way. munira wilson, dialogue... the rtog doctors is the _ way. munira wilson, dialogue... the rtog doctors is the point _ way. munira wilson, dialogue... the rtog doctors is the point and - way. munira wilson, dialogue... the rtog doctors is the point and you i rtog doctors is the point and you delayed _ rtog doctors is the point and you delayed talking _ rtog doctors is the point and you delayed talking to _ rtog doctors is the point and you delayed talking to the _ rtog doctors is the point and you delayed talking to the teachers i rtog doctors is the point and you| delayed talking to the teachers for so long _ delayed talking to the teachers for so long that — delayed talking to the teachers for so long that our _ delayed talking to the teachers for so long that our children _ delayed talking to the teachers for so long that our children who - delayed talking to the teachers for so long that our children who have suffered _ so long that our children who have suffered all— so long that our children who have suffered all sorts _ so long that our children who have suffered all sorts of... _ so long that our children who have suffered all sorts of... schools - suffered all sorts of... schools being — suffered all sorts of... schools being closed _ suffered all sorts of... schools being closed down— suffered all sorts of... schools being closed down through - suffered all sorts of... schools . being closed down through covid suffered all sorts of... schools - being closed down through covid have had two _ being closed down through covid have had two enduring _ being closed down through covid have had two enduring strikes _ being closed down through covid have had two enduring strikes and - being closed down through covid have had two enduring strikes and that - had two enduring strikes and that impacted — had two enduring strikes and that impacted parents _ had two enduring strikes and that impacted parents have _ had two enduring strikes and that impacted parents have tried - had two enduring strikes and that impacted parents have tried to i had two enduring strikes and that| impacted parents have tried to get to work— impacted parents have tried to get to work because _ impacted parents have tried to get to work because he _ impacted parents have tried to get to work because he wouldn't - impacted parents have tried to get to work because he wouldn't come impacted parents have tried to get. to work because he wouldn't come to the table _ to work because he wouldn't come to the table to— to work because he wouldn't come to the table to negotiate _ to work because he wouldn't come to the table to negotiate with _ the table to negotiate with teachers _ the table to negotiate with teachers. the _ the table to negotiate with teachers. the dillier- the table to negotiate with teachers. the dillier cup. the table to negotiate with . teachers. the dillier cup with teachers _ teachers. the dillier cup with teachers you _ teachers. the dillier cup with teachers you could _ teachers. the dillier cup with teachers you could have - teachers. the dillier cup with teachers you could have cut i teachers. the dillier cup with - teachers you could have cut months a -o teachers you could have cut months ago and _ teachers you could have cut months ago and avoided _ teachers you could have cut months ago and avoided strikes. _ teachers you could have cut months ago and avoided strikes. the - teachers you could have cut months ago and avoided strikes. the point. ago and avoided strikes. the point is you _ ago and avoided strikes. the point is you detayed _ ago and avoided strikes. the point is you delayed underlay— ago and avoided strikes. the point is you delayed underlay and - ago and avoided strikes. the point is you delayed underlay and then i is you delayed underlay and then drive _ is you delayed underlay and then drive kicking _ is you delayed underlay and then drive kicking and _ is you delayed underlay and then drive kicking and screaming. - is you delayed underlay and then drive kicking and screaming. of. drive kicking and screaming. of course — drive kicking and screaming. of course they— drive kicking and screaming. of course they have _ drive kicking and screaming. of course they have unreasonable | course they have unreasonable demand, — course they have unreasonable demand, the _ course they have unreasonable demand, the point— course they have unreasonable demand, the point is _ course they have unreasonable demand, the point is you - course they have unreasonable demand, the point is you get. course they have unreasonable - demand, the point is you get another table and _ demand, the point is you get another table and negotiate _ demand, the point is you get another table and negotiate a _ demand, the point is you get another table and negotiate a deal. _ demand, the point is you get another table and negotiate a deal. we - demand, the point is you get another table and negotiate a deal. we needi table and negotiate a deal. we need to do that _ table and negotiate a deal. we need to do that for — table and negotiate a deal. we need to do that for the _ table and negotiate a deal. we need to do that for the sake _ table and negotiate a deal. we need to do that for the sake of _ table and negotiate a deal. we need to do that for the sake of patients i to do that for the sake of patients including — to do that for the sake of patients including people _ to do that for the sake of patients including people like _ to do that for the sake of patients including people like my- to do that for the sake of patients including people like my mum - to do that for the sake of patientsl including people like my mum who to do that for the sake of patients i including people like my mum who is an elderly— including people like my mum who is an eiderty person _ including people like my mum who is an elderly person and _ including people like my mum who is an elderly person and of _ including people like my mum who is an elderly person and of health - an elderly person and of health issues, —

an elderly person and of health issues, having _ an elderly person and of health issues, having appointments . issues, having appointments cahcetted _ issues, having appointments cancelled left, _ issues, having appointments cancelled left, right- issues, having appointments cancelled left, right and - issues, having appointments . cancelled left, right and centre because — cancelled left, right and centre because of— cancelled left, right and centre because of the _ cancelled left, right and centre because of the strikes - cancelled left, right and centre because of the strikes becausei cancelled left, right and centre - because of the strikes because your government— because of the strikes because your government government _ because of the strikes because your government government won't - because of the strikes because your government government won't geti government government won't get around — government government won't get around a _ government government won't get around a table. — government government won't get around a table.— around a table. responsibility either to those _ around a table. responsibility either to those who _ around a table. responsibility either to those who live - around a table. responsibility either to those who live and l around a table. responsibility . either to those who live and work out other public sector who contributes the economy massively who had not taken the wage rises, haven't had the chance to have wage rises over this point in time, sufferfrom hostility rises over this point in time, suffer from hostility and that's the balance you have to strike in an economy. balance you have to strike in an economy-— balance you have to strike in an econom. h , economy. let's take you see what's auoin on economy. let's take you see what's going on in — economy. let's take you see what's going on in uxbridge _ economy. let's take you see what's going on in uxbridge and _ economy. let's take you see what's going on in uxbridge and south - going on in uxbridge and south ruislip. i recount is under way, the returning officer is coming to the stage. let's pause for a moment as is he adjusting or will say something close leaves adelman, thank you for your patience. flani thank you for your patience. can i lease thank you for your patience. can i please have _ thank you for your patience. can i please have the _ thank you for your patience. can i please have the candidate - thank you for your patience. (can i please have the candidate and thank you for your patience. (cami please have the candidate and agent for the labour party and the conservative party back over to the stable over here, please? candidate for labour and conservative, thank you. for labour and conservative, thank ou. . �* . for labour and conservative, thank ou. . �* , , , you. that's interesting. piers corb n you. that's interesting. piers corbyn candidates _ you. that's interesting. piers corbyn candidates over- you. that's interesting. piers corbyn candidates over to . you. that's interesting. piers. corbyn candidates over to give you. that's interesting. piers - corbyn candidates over to give them the final result following the recount, so that danny beales for the labour party and steve tuckwell

for the conservatives. he has published going to reveal to them who has come in, look, there is the bin faced they're obscuring our view of the returning officer which is slightly unfortunate but maybe they'll move on and a moment. going to tell the two candidates from the two main parties and their agents what the result is. clearly, tighter than perhaps, well, either party had bought originally. once that has been clarified with the two candidates, there you see them, labour and conservative, conservative there at the front followed by danny beales. then no doubt they will be a formal declaration of the count at uxbridge and south ruislip and we may have the new mp announced in the not—too—distant the new mp announced in the not—too—dista nt future. the new mp announced in the not—too—distant future. the recount took place but it was just a recount of the bundles of conservative and

labour voters, of the bundles of conservative and labourvoters, not of the bundles of conservative and labour voters, not a full recount of all the votes that have come in and there are being 17 candidates which is quite a record number of candidates in this seat. we have talked about one of the most pertinent issues that is obviously run through this campaign and that's by the ultra low emission zone, there is the returning officer talking to the candidates, letting them know victoria and labour candidates and their agents what the numbers are. people are writing out exactly what the figures are, which will indicate the majority of whoever it is who has come first and second and if there has been a swing, if there is been a swing to the labour party, i guess they want to know exactly how big fat swingers. these things obviously very, very important in terms of setting the terms for what could be a general election. i have seen it

never gathered not his head so it looks as if we may have the returning officer announcing when he is going to call this declaration. now, john and natasha, there is the conservative candidate, i think there are, steve tuckwell, just in there are, steve tuckwell, just in the background, obviously wearing the background, obviously wearing the blue rosette. interesting recount here. it didn't take long to get through the votes but here we are in recount territory. yes. get through the votes but here we are in recount territory.— are in recount territory. yes, does not particularly — are in recount territory. yes, does not particularly looked _ not particularly looked optimistically labour as i said no and the first count, it appears there about 400 votes behind. obviously it had been close at a possible recount of quite different votes but 400 votes seems quite likely won't change much. goad likely won't change much. good evenina. likely won't change much. good evening- can — likely won't change much. good evening- can i— likely won't change much. good evening. can i have _ likely won't change much. good evening. can i have all- likely won't change much. good evening. can i have all the - evening. can i have all the candidates please in the room onto the stage _ candidates please in the room onto the stage here, if you'd like to come — the stage here, if you'd like to come down this and onto the stage.

a bucket or burn i think it is, isn't it? ——or bin. all the candidates gathering there. it is going to take a while to herd 17 candidates onto the stage to give the results because there will be read out in a political order, but here we go. read out in a political order, but here we 90-— read out in a political order, but here we no. . . . here we go. ladies and gentlemen, i, llo d here we go. ladies and gentlemen, i, lloyd white. — here we go. ladies and gentlemen, i, lloyd white, acting _ here we go. ladies and gentlemen, i, lloyd white, acting returning - lloyd white, acting returning officerfor lloyd white, acting returning officer for the election of a member officer for the election of a member of parliament of the uxbridge and south ruislip constituency, do hereby give notice the number of votes recorded for each cabinet at the selection is as follows: liberal democrats, 526. beales, tony boy

labour party, 13,470. bell, cameron, independent, 91. corbin, peers, let london live, 101. dawood, thomas faithful, commonly known as 77 joseph, independent, eight. fox, lawrence, rick lamb party, 714. gardner, stephen ritchie,, known as stephen gardner, social democratic party, 248. edmund gemmill, climate party, 49. green, sarah, green party, 893. hamilton, kingsley,

julia duncan, commonly known as kingsley hamilton anti—ulez independent, 208. harvey, jonathan david, commonly known as count binface, count binface party, 190. usn, richard john howard, rejoined the eu, 105. however, alan, commonly known as howling laud hope, official monster raving loony party, 32. christian peoples alliance, 78. leo samuel, independent, 106. sutton, rebecca jane, commonly known as

rebecca jane, commonly known as rebecca jane, commonly known as rebecca jane, you, people not politics, 61. tuckwell, stephen, commonly known as steve tuckwell, the conservative party candidate, 13,965. so the conservatives have held uxbridge and south ruislip. there was an expectation that danny beales, mr lobo gathered, would be victorious. it was very tight, 13,470 votes danny beales, the neighbour candidate. 13,965 steve tuckwell and hero comes to give his victory speech. {lilia tuckwell and hero comes to give his victory speech-— victory speech. 0k, well. that's all i've not victory speech. 0k, well. that's all we got to — victory speech. 0k, well. that's all we got to say- _ victory speech. 0k, well. that's all i've got to say. the _ victory speech. 0k, well. that's all i've got to say. the first _ victory speech. 0k, well. that's all i've got to say. the first thing - victory speech. 0k, well. that's all i've got to say. the first thing i'd i i've got to say. the first thing i'd like to say is thank you to the returning officer and a fantastic team here in london borrow who have been working incredibly hard on

today's holiday and many people here this evening have been counting for late into the morning this morning. a big thank you to those. i'd also like to pay tribute to the team at ccs hq. i like to pay tribute to the team at ccs h0. i can't name everybody you know who i'm talking to, they've been fantastic, supported me and been fantastic, supported me and been a great honour to work with the cchq team. the highlight of my fellow counsellors, local supporters and activists here in hillingdon at and activists here in hillingdon at a special mention to the association chamber men richard mills, i'd also like to be attributed in other council ian edwards and neighbouring association chairman peter smallwood. my finalthink association chairman peter smallwood. my final think is to my darling wife, rachel, who have supported me through this campaign. so, this message from the uxbridge and south ruislip residence is clear. citi card has lost labour the selection....

we know it was his damaging policy that lost them the selection. i'm humbled and proud to be elected as the mp for the area in which i was born, raised and a family and present my home is a huge honour. the pot is expected labour to win big here but our community came together and i'm thankful to them and be hundreds of activists cannot deliver this message. this wasn't the campaign labour expected and keir starmer and his mare citi card need to sit up and listen to the uxbridge and south ruislip residence. thank you. thank you very much. �* . residence. thank you. thank you very much. �* , , , much. right, let's see if danny beales really _ much. right, let's see if danny beales really never _ much. right, let's see if danny beales really never gathered . much. right, let's see if danny| beales really never gathered all speak, a defiant speech by steve tuckwell who won by 500 votes. he hearing from the green party, and

will them give their speeches. jonathan reynolds, sadiq khan has lost labour this election, he is right, steve tuckwell, the new mp. it was very close. but right, steve tuckwell, the new mp. it was very close.— it was very close. but he lost it. as i said it was very close. but he lost it. as i said in _ it was very close. but he lost it. as i said in the _ it was very close. but he lost it. as i said in the beginning, - it was very close. but he lost it. as i said in the beginning, it - it was very close. but he lost it. | as i said in the beginning, it was always going to be one of more challenging ones, we hadn't won in 1987 result, not ideal terrain to fight on in this. if 1987 result, not ideal terrain to fight on in this.— fight on in this. if you can't win here with _ fight on in this. if you can't win here with a _ fight on in this. if you can't win here with a swing _ fight on in this. if you can't win here with a swing of— fight on in this. if you can't win here with a swing of seven - fight on in this. if you can't win j here with a swing of seven that fight on in this. if you can't win - here with a swing of seven that was necessary, after borisjohnson uxbridge and south ruislip, you must be worried about how much progress labour is making.— labour is making. potentially the bi est labour is making. potentially the biggest elections _ labour is making. potentially the biggest elections being _ labour is making. potentially the biggest elections being in - labour is making. potentially the l biggest elections being in labour's bilick in history. that biggest elections being in labour's bilick in history.— bilick in history. that will change the tone of— bilick in history. that will change the tone of the _ bilick in history. that will change the tone of the interview. - bilick in history. that will change the tone of the interview. you i bilick in history. that will change i the tone of the interview. you have a situation — the tone of the interview. you have a situation where _ the tone of the interview. you have a situation where things _ the tone of the interview. you have a situation where things are - the tone of the interview. you have a situation where things are very i a situation where things are very tough people now. i would say because of mismanagement of the economy and the conservative party and mortgages there are paying, energy bills they've got, then when

they are faced with a potential additional charge, they will be a difficult thing and gives the conservative party something to campaign against and do that without a specific issue, to a particular part of united kingdom. what we ought to get from the whole picture tonight is what is the national story. it tonight is what is the national sto . ., , tonight is what is the national sto. ., , story. it does sound, chris, as if it was really _ story. it does sound, chris, as if it was really down _ story. it does sound, chris, as if it was really down to _ story. it does sound, chris, as if it was really down to the - story. it does sound, chris, as if it was really down to the ultra i story. it does sound, chris, as if. it was really down to the ultra low emission zone and citi card's policy. steve tuckwell himself said as if he couldn't believe it. you gotta say sadiq khan this election, you, here and the conservatives didn't win it, all that.— didn't win it, all that. firstly, congratulations _ didn't win it, all that. firstly, congratulations to _ didn't win it, all that. firstly, congratulations to sadiq - didn't win it, all that. firstly, | congratulations to sadiq khan because — congratulations to sadiq khan because he is a good candidate —— steve _ because he is a good candidate —— steve there — because he is a good candidate —— steve. there was a local stuff in the complainant and he has his team devetop. _ the complainant and he has his team develop, my deserved victory. secondly, _ develop, my deserved victory. secondly, ulez was the defining issue~ _ secondly, ulez was the defining issue the — secondly, ulez was the defining issue. the defining issues in every by-etection. — issue. the defining issues in every by—election, there always will be and always has been but badly but no-one _ and always has been but badly but no-one has — and always has been but badly but no—one has an idea what keir starmer

stands _ no—one has an idea what keir starmer stands for _ no—one has an idea what keir starmer stands for. he flip—flopped around, one day— stands for. he flip—flopped around, one day withjust stands for. he flip—flopped around, one day with just a while, if you can't _ one day with just a while, if you can't honestly like this in a by—election, he is not contradictory to when— by—election, he is not contradictory to when a _ by—election, he is not contradictory to when a general election and he has to— to when a general election and he has to struggle all other suburbs of london~ _ let's look at the result in more detail. there are the figures. the conservative, steve tuckwell, is more the mpn a clinton rice that because the conservatives have held it. you can see there, 13,965, nearly 500 majority, still very tight and very small, it will be interesting to see what happens at the general election. the labour candidate who had been predicted to take the seat, everyone else way behind, it was a two horse race and it really does feel as though the ultra low emission zone has done it. the point chris heaton—harris is made about no—one really knowing what keir starmer stands for, do you

think that is becoming a problem? i think that is becoming a problem? i think that is becoming a problem? i think what was the problem was think that is becoming a problem? i think what was the problem was ulez and the big question is is that a by—election thing we talk about tonight and then that is something thatis tonight and then that is something that is not a problem in the run—up to the general election or is it a problem that there are a lot of places on the outskirts of london where people are more reliant on their cars, places where the labour party should be targeting at the general election, dartford, harlow, when more people drive, more people drive within london boundaries. and the big question for labour is do they stick with this policy or do they stick with this policy or do they find some way of dropping it? should they stick with it? in should they stick with it? in greater manchester, where we had a similar— greater manchester, where we had a similar thing, greater manchester, where we had a similarthing, and the greater manchester, where we had a similar thing, and the local government is put pressure on the mare _ government is put pressure on the mare and — government is put pressure on the mare and local government to fix it, it was— mare and local government to fix it, it was still— mare and local government to fix it, it was still very, very unpopular and we — it was still very, very unpopular and we have the —— had to go back to guntnram _ and we have the -- had to go back to gumma... ,, ., and we have the -- had to go back to gumma- - -_ and we have the -- had to go back to gumma... ,, ., , . , ., gumma... should there be a pause on this policy? — gumma... should there be a pause on this policy? -- — gumma... should there be a pause on this policy? -- domont. _ gumma... should there be a pause on

this policy? -- domont. the _ this policy? -- domont. the directly-elected _ this policy? -- domont. the directly-elected mayor - this policy? —— domont. the directly—elected mayor of london is responsible for this and has to make is enormous — responsible for this and has to make is enormous. they go back to the point _ is enormous. they go back to the point that— is enormous. they go back to the point that to put a legal duty want to be _ point that to put a legal duty want to be able — point that to put a legal duty want to be able to make a decision where you have _ to be able to make a decision where you have genuine problems, 4000 people _ you have genuine problems, 4000 people a _ you have genuine problems, 4000 people a year die from toxic air, and then— people a year die from toxic air, and then to _ people a year die from toxic air, and then to campaign against that is really— and then to campaign against that is really quite duplicitous from the conservative point, i really do. the liberal conservative point, i really do. the: liberal democrat conservative point, i really do. tt;e: liberal democrat candidate, conservative point, i really do. tt9 liberal democrat candidate, 526, pretty thin. liberal democrat candidate, 526, re thin. . liberal democrat candidate, 526, pretty thin-— liberal democrat candidate, 526, re thin. , :, pretty thin. this was always going to be a really _ pretty thin. this was always going to be a really difficult _ pretty thin. this was always going to be a really difficult by-election| to be a really difficult by—election for us _ to be a really difficult by—election for us and — to be a really difficult by—election for us and we _ to be a really difficult by—election for us and we put _ to be a really difficult by—election for us and we put our— to be a really difficult by—election for us and we put our resources l for us and we put our resources into where we _ for us and we put our resources into where we knew we _ for us and we put our resources into where we knew we could _ for us and we put our resources into where we knew we could win, - for us and we put our resources into where we knew we could win, whichj where we knew we could win, which was somerton — where we knew we could win, which was somerton and _ where we knew we could win, which was somerton and frome _ where we knew we could win, which was somerton and frome and - where we knew we could win, which was somerton and frome and i- where we knew we could win, whichl was somerton and frome and i think we are _ was somerton and frome and i think we are about — was somerton and frome and i think we are about to _ was somerton and frome and i think we are about to get _ was somerton and frome and i think we are about to get the _ was somerton and frome and i think we are about to get the result - was somerton and frome and i think we are about to get the result therei we are about to get the result there and hopefully— we are about to get the result there and hopefully you _ we are about to get the result there and hopefully you will _ we are about to get the result there and hopefully you will see _ we are about to get the result there and hopefully you will see a - we are about to get the result there and hopefully you will see a big - we are about to get the result there and hopefully you will see a big win| and hopefully you will see a big win for the _ and hopefully you will see a big win for the liberal— and hopefully you will see a big win for the liberal democrats. - and hopefully you will see a big win for the liberal democrats. we - and hopefully you will see a big win for the liberal democrats. we are i for the liberal democrats. we are also putting — for the liberal democrats. we are also putting our— for the liberal democrats. we are also putting our resources - for the liberal democrats. we are also putting our resources into . for the liberal democrats. we are l also putting our resources into mid bedfordshire — also putting our resources into mid bedfordshire wendi _ also putting our resources into mid bedfordshire wendi deng - also putting our resources into mid bedfordshire wendi deng doris- also putting our resources into midi bedfordshire wendi deng doris gets around _ bedfordshire wendi deng doris gets around to— bedfordshire wendi deng doris gets around to formally _ bedfordshire wendi deng doris gets around to formally resigning - bedfordshire wendi deng doris gets around to formally resigning her - around to formally resigning her seat _ around to formally resigning her seat. ~ :. around to formally resigning her seat. ~ :, a, around to formally resigning her seat. ~ :, ,, , seat. we have mount yorkers. -- nadine dorries. _ seat. we have mount yorkers. -- nadine dorries. in _ seat. we have mount yorkers. -- nadine dorries. in many - seat. we have mount yorkers. -- nadine dorries. in many parts . seat. we have mount yorkers. -- nadine dorries. in many parts of| seat. we have mount yorkers. -- i nadine dorries. in many parts of the count we nadine dorries. in many parts of the country we are _ nadine dorries. in many parts of the country we are the _ nadine dorries. in many parts of the country we are the main _ nadine dorries. in many parts of the country we are the main challengesl country we are the main challenges and that— country we are the main challenges and that is— country we are the main challenges and that is where _ country we are the main challenges and that is where we _

country we are the main challenges and that is where we are _ country we are the main challenges and that is where we are focusing. i and that is where we are focusing. i'm and that is where we are focusing. in just _ and that is where we are focusing. in just going _ and that is where we are focusing. in just going to _ and that is where we are focusing. i'm just going to show— and that is where we are focusing. i'm just going to show you - and that is where we are focusing. i'm just going to show you the - i'm just going to show you the detailed figures, the graphics, you can see, look how close it is, conservatives have held it, 45% for the conservatives, 44% for labour, everybody else way behind. we may be able to show you the swing or the change here. the conservatives down 7%, gained by labour...— change here. the conservatives down 7%, gained by labour... labour threw eve hinu 7%, gained by labour... labour threw everything at — 7%, gained by labour... labour threw everything at this _ 7%, gained by labour... labour threw everything at this by-election. - 7%, gained by labour... labour threw everything at this by-election. it - everything at this by—election. it is a disastrous adult for labour, and it is because of both ulez and what peoples are in this by—election was keir starmer not sure what he should do because he stumbled across an unpopular issue. mil should do because he stumbled across an unpopular issue.— an unpopular issue. all right. let's have a look— an unpopular issue. all right. let's have a look at _ an unpopular issue. all right. let's have a look at the _ an unpopular issue. all right. let's have a look at the final _ an unpopular issue. all right. let's have a look at the final figure, - an unpopular issue. all right. let's have a look at the final figure, the | have a look at the final figure, the swimming, 6.7%. let's hold that figure in our heads —— swing. the swing from conservative to labour to see what that would mean how significant that is, whether it is enough at a national level, we will pick up thejohn curtice in just a moment. i think we might be getting

close to result, just before we do, in somerton and frome. let'sjust stay on the pictures here in somerset, because, again, there is a little bit of activity. it looks as if the returning officer or candidates are making their way onto the stage... yes, in fact they are. here we are, let's dip into what's going on in somerton and frome. we can see that, certainly, sarah dyke it was almost certainly in lib dem mines to have one at this seat. let's listen to the returning officer as the announcement... somerset council election of members of parliament, somerton and frome constituency. i, robert pruitt, the returning officer in the election, do hereby give notice that the number of votes recorded for each candidate at the said election is as follows. corke, lorna irene bromley,

christian peoples alliance, 202 six. dimery, martinjohn, the green party candidate, 3944. dyke, sarahjoanne, liberal democrats, 21,187. applause — . evans, bruce david, reform applause . evans, bruce david, reform uk, 1303. gill. — . evans, bruce david, reform uk, 1303. gill, niall— . evans, bruce david, reform uk, 1303. gill, niall williams, - . evans, bruce david, reform uk, 1303. gill, niall williams, labourl 1303. gill, niall williams, labour party, 1009. applause — . mitchell, rosemary francis, applause . mitchell, rosema francis, known . mitchell, rosemary francis, known as rosie mitchell, _ . mitchell, rosemary francis, known as rosie mitchell, independent, - . mitchell, rosemary francis, known| as rosie mitchell, independent, 635.

purbrick, f8 mirari, the conservative party candidate, 10,179. -- conservative party candidate, 10,179. —— fay marie. richardson, peter kavon, uk independence party, 275 -- peter kavon, uk independence party, 275 —— kevin. the number of ballot papers rejected was as follows, votes are given for more candidates than the vote is entitled to vote for, 13, unmarked orvoid than the vote is entitled to vote for, 13, unmarked or void for uncertainty, 84. and i do hereby declare that sarah dyke has been duly elected as the member for parliament for the somerton and frome constituency. applause

thank you. thank you, first of all, to the returning officer and everyone here who has worked throughout the night and to my fellow candidates who have been on this rollercoaster with me on the last month. a special thank you to my family, friends, and somerset council colleagues. it's your love and support that has made this possible. and it's made me put everything into this campaign. this is your victory as much as it is mine. in the same goes to my election agent, paul trollope, mine. in the same goes to my election agent, paultrollope, my incredible team led by ruth younger,

and all the liberal democrat volunteers from across the country who have come to somerset to help us win. and, of course, a special thank you to ed davey, who has now led our party to four historic by—election victories over the conservatives. he has been here so many times during the campaign andjudging has been here so many times during the campaign and judging by how much she enjoyed our visit to a site to recently i'm pretty sure he's going to be back again soon. thank you, ed. and thank you most of all to the wonderful people here in somerset for welcoming me into your homes, your town and paris all is, and your businesses from frome to henstridge, and from somerton to an canton.

thank you for talking to me about your lives and your communities, for sharing your worries and your hopes for the future. i've heard from dairy farmers determined to protect our precious environment and feed our precious environment and feed our country, from nurses and dock is working all hours of the day out of love and care for their patients. and thriving entrepreneurs creating jobs and driving our county into the future. i've promised to be an mp standing upfor future. i've promised to be an mp standing up for you in westminster. tonight has been a stunning and historic victory for the liberal democrats and it shows once and for

all, the liberal democrats are back in the west country! applause — . lifelong conservative voters applause . lifelon conservative voters who . lifelong conservative voters who today voted _ . lifelong conservative voters who today voted liberal _ . lifelong conservative voters who today voted liberal democrats - . lifelong conservative voters who today voted liberal democrats for| today voted liberal democrats for the first time, thank you for putting your trust in me to deliver for you. putting your trust in me to deliver foryou. i putting your trust in me to deliver for you. i will not let you down. and let me say a particular thank you to all those who usually vote labour all green but lend me your votes this time. there is no doubt that our electoral system is broken, but you have shown that the conservatives can still be beaten under it. i will work every day to repay your faith and trust in me to be the local mp taking this woeful

government on. i am truly honoured by the faith of the people of somerton and frome and the faith that you have put in me tonight. it is humbling to be elected to represent the place my family have lived for generations and farmed for over 200 years. this is a wonderful part of the world. but like so many places across the country, we have been let down and taken for granted forfar too long by been let down and taken for granted for far too long by a tired and out of touch conservative government. while families struggle to put food on the table or pay their mortgage or simply see their on the table or pay their mortgage orsimply see their gp, on the table or pay their mortgage or simply see their gp, this government is too busy being a circus of chaos. well, the people of somerton and frome have said it loud and clear tonight — enough is enough! people have been left

without a voice in somerton and frome forfar too long. without a voice in somerton and frome for far too long. that's changes right now. instead of an absent conservative mp letting you down, you have an active liberal democrat mp lifting you up. so to the mother in melbourne ports who told me how she couldn't get a dentist appointment for her children, i hearyou, and i will fight for you. to the man who told me how his elderly mother sat on the floor for 13 hours waiting for an ambulance to arrive, i hear you and i will fight for you. to the amazing farmers of somerset, the custodians of our countryside, you are my family and i hearyou of our countryside, you are my family and i hear you and of our countryside, you are my family and i hearyou and i of our countryside, you are my family and i hear you and i will fight for you. and to all of you

seeing your energy bills, mortgage payments, and food shop go up and up with no end in sight i hear you and i will fight for you. to everyone here in somerton and frome, no matter how you voted in this election, i hear you and i will fight for you. thank you. applause . sarah dyke there, clearly elated, jubilant, with her lengthy speech they're thanking everyone. obviously a local candidate and now the mp for somerton and frome. well, you called it within minutes of this programme going on air, just before i'd get your reaction, it really is a stunning victory yet again for the liberal democrats and the conservative candidate completely crossed here, liberal democrat gain

here in the west country, 21,000 to faye purbrick for the conservatives, almost 11 orjust over 11,000 behind, so the liberal democrats have one somerton and frome and sarah dyke is the liberal democrat mp. let's have a look at some of the other figures mp. let's have a look at some of the otherfigures here. as you can see, 55% of the vote to sarah dyke, 26% to the conservative candidate faye purbrick. let's have a look at the swing. it will be substantial. plus 28%. i mean, a drop of 30%, that really is sending a signal to rishi sunak and the conservative government. it is, actually, you know, pretty well in line with other swings to the liberal democrats and by—elections, but then the liberal democrats do well in certain by—elections. there you can see 29% swing from the conservatives to the liberal democrats. we will get terrible some's thought in just a moment because it is time for the

news at three o'clock. thanks, jo. the conservatives have held onto the seat of uxbridge and south ruislip — formerly held by the ex—prime minister borisjohnson. their candidate, steve tuckwell, beat the labour candidate by 495 votes. in his victory speech, mr tuckwell credited the labour mayor of london for his win. sadiq khan has lost labour this election... cheering ..and we know that it was his damaging and costly ules policy that lost them this election. i'm humbled and proud to be elected as the mp for the area in which i was born, raised, and built a family in — and to represent my home is a huge honour. the pundits expected labour to win big here, but our community came together, and i am thankful to them and the hundreds of activists

that came out to deliver this message. this wasn't the campaign labour expected, and keir starmer and his mayor, sadiq khan, need to sit up and listen to the uxbridge and south ruislip residents. thank you. the liberal democrats have taken the seat of somerton and frome in somerset from the conservatives. even before the result had been declared, the party had predicted that its candidate, sarah dyke, had won the seat. she had a victory margin of more than 10,000 votes over the tory candidate. lifelong conservative voters have today voted liberal democrat for the first time. thank you for putting your trust in me to deliver for you. i will not let you down. and let me say a particular thankyou to all those who usually vote labour or green but lent me your votes this time. there is no doubt that our electoral system is broken — but you

have shown that the conservatives can still be beaten under it. so we are now waiting for one more seat to declare — that's selby and ainsty in north yorkshire. 0ur political correspondent, david lockhart wallace, is at the count. you can see they're counting away quite rapidly here, so things perhaps coming close to some sort of conclusion. i would say, having chatted to people here, it does feel like perhaps slightly more optimism growing on the labour side — slightly more pessimism growing on the conservative side. though both sets of supporters saying that things appear to be quite close. away from the by—elections, the head of natwest has apologised to the former ukip leader, nigel farage, for comments made about him in the bank's official papers. dame alison rose called them "deeply inappropriate". mr farage said the apology was only a "start" after he claimed his account at coutts bank was closed

because of his political views. it's always good to get an apology, particularly from somebody running a bank with 19 million customers. so, thank you for the apology. but it does feel ever so slightly forced. the treasury made her do this — i have no doubt about that. and i do want to say that the rapid reaction we've had from the british government is superb — full marks to andrew griffith, the city minister. it also felt a bit like, "not me, gov." well, this committee — the reputational risk of welt management committee — was actually set up as a direct result of her review within the bank system into diversity. so for her to sort of say, "what's been said here doesn't reflect the views of the bank" — well, i'm very sorry, but it does. a walkout by senior doctors in england is causing serious disruption to the nhs, with most routine operations being cancelled. consultants are staging their most significant action since the 1970s in a dispute over pay. the british medical association labelled the government's

6% pay offer as derisory. ministers say the offer is fair. russia's foreign ministry has imposed tight travel restrictions on british diplomats working in the country. moscow says it's a response to the hostile actions of the uk government. it comes amid worsening relations between moscow and london following the invasion of ukraine. diplomats must give at least five days' notice and provide extensive travel details if they want to leave a 75—mile free movement zone. only the british ambassador and three senior diplomats are exempt. staying with the war in ukraine: the united states has confirmed that us—supplied cluster bombs are being used in ukraine as part of its offensive against the occupying russian forces. the national security advisor, john kirby, said initialfeedback from kyiv suggested the munitions were being utilised effectively and were already having an impact on russia's defensive lines. some nato members expressed concern over washington's decision to supply weapons to kyiv.

the bombs can kill indiscriminately over a wide area and are banned in more than a hundred countries. finally, an edinburgh home owner has won her battle to keep herfront door pink. miranda dickson was ordered to change the colour last year after she painted it bright pink as planners argued it did not meet the standards of a listed property in a world heritage site. she repainted it green but after further complaints it was changed again to an off—white shade of pink. that colour sparked another complaint, but she has now received approvalfrom officials. 0ur colleagues on the bbc news website and app have a live page running with the latest from all the counts. you can now it's back tojo and our election special.

yes, welcome back to this bbc by—election special programme. we have two results — let me bring viewers up to date, viewers who have justjoined us. we heard first of all from uxbridge and south ruislip, where — perhaps confounding some of the pundits — the conservatives have held the seat. the former mp was, of course, the former prime minister, borisjohnson. steve tuckwell is now the new conservative mp. it was incredibly tight — a majority of just 500 over labour's candidate, danny beales. and in his victory and acceptance speech, steve tuckwell blamed sadiq khan — labour's mayor of london — for his policy to expand the ultra—low emission zone. so, disappointment there for labour —

although they did improve on their vote and on their swing compared to 2019. we've also had the result in somerton and frome in somerset. as predicted, sarah dyke had a stunning victory there — the liberal democrat candidate now the liberal democrat mp, with an 11,000 majority, just over. so she will be returned as the liberal democrat mp. we're hoping to talk to her in just a moment. liberal democrat mp. we're hoping to talk to her injust a moment. i think we can talk to her now. sarah, can you hear me? t think we can talk to her now. sarah, can you hear me?— can you hear me? i can. congratulations - can you hear me? i can. congratulations to - can you hear me? i can. congratulations to you. | can you hear me? i can. - congratulations to you. how does can you hear me? i can. _ congratulations to you. how does it feel? :, , , :, : feel? um... ..absolutely fantastic. awe-inspiring _ feel? um... ..absolutely fantastic. awe-inspiring. but _ feel? um... ..absolutely fantastic. awe-inspiring. but also _ feel? um... ..absolutely fantastic. awe-inspiring. but also very - awe—inspiring. but also very humbling. awe-inspiring. but also very humbling-— awe-inspiring. but also very humblini. :, :, :, humbling. now, what about the economic picture _ humbling. now, what about the economic picture of— humbling. now, what about the economic picture of your - economic picture of your constituency? how would you describe it? ~ :, :, :, it? well, in somerton and frome, obviously we _ it? well, in somerton and frome, obviously we have _ it? well, in somerton and frome, obviously we have quite _ it? well, in somerton and frome, obviously we have quite an - it? well, in somerton and frome, l obviously we have quite an affluent area, but obviously there are pockets of deprivation — no different to any other constituency across the country. 50

different to any other constituency across the country.— across the country. so what's your riori across the country. so what's your priority going _ across the country. so what's your priority going to — across the country. so what's your priority going to be _ across the country. so what's your priority going to be in _ across the country. so what's your priority going to be in parliament. priority going to be in parliament in terms of representing your constituents? 50 in terms of representing your constituents?— in terms of representing your constituents? �* :, _ constituents? so we've obviously been campaigning _ constituents? so we've obviously been campaigning very _ constituents? so we've obviously been campaigning very hard - constituents? so we've obviously been campaigning very hard on l constituents? so we've obviously l been campaigning very hard on the cost—of—living crisis and the issue around the nhs — but also for farmers and countryside issues as well. and those are the things that i'm going to be getting my teeth stuck into immediately, as soon as i can. , :, :, :, , can. right. in terms of farming - as ou sa , can. right. in terms of farming - as you say. you _ can. right. in terms of farming - as you say. you come _ can. right. in terms of farming - as you say, you come from _ can. right. in terms of farming - as you say, you come from a _ can. right. in terms of farming - as you say, you come from a farming l you say, you come from a farming family of long tradition. what precisely would be your priority? farmers have been ignored now by this conservative government for far too long. obviously we've got the botched trade deals that farmers are now having to deal with, and i've spoken to many farmers on the doorsteps in their fammyards over the course of the past year, and they're really suffering. many farmers are on the brink. and obviously we're coming out of the basic payment scheme now. there's now a gap between that and the elm scheme, and farmers are really suffering. in

scheme, and farmers are really sufferini. . scheme, and farmers are really sufferini. , :, suffering. in terms of the by-election _ suffering. in terms of the by-election - _ suffering. in terms of the l by-election - by-elections, suffering. in terms of the - by-election - by-elections, of by—election — by—elections, of course, are a particular set of elections that occur — you've got a stunning majority here overturned from the conservatives, but it could all be different, of course — a general election, couldn't it? all be different, of course - a general election, couldn't it? well, i think my focus _ general election, couldn't it? well, i think my focus is _ general election, couldn't it? well, i think my focus is on _ general election, couldn't it? well, i think my focus is on the _ i think my focus is on the by—election. people know in somerton and frome that, if they award a hardworking local champion, then they should vote liberal democrats. of they should vote liberal democrats. of course, we've had david heath here as our mp, a liberal democrat mp, between 1997 and 2015, and people know of any colour rosette that they remember david heath as being a hardworking local mp. if i can be half as good as david, i think i can be a good mp with a little bit of room to grow. 10th think i can be a good mp with a little bit of room to grow. what do ou think little bit of room to grow. what do you think you _ little bit of room to grow. what do you think you have _ little bit of room to grow. what do you think you have to _ little bit of room to grow. what do you think you have to achieve - you think you have to achieve between now and a general election in order to hold onto this seat? people haven't had that representation that they deserve in somerton and frome now for far too long. so, for me, it's getting out there, being a strong voice, being a

champion, giving people the representation that they deserve. they just representation that they deserve. theyjust haven't had it here in somerton and frome.- theyjust haven't had it here in somerton and frome. have you talked at all about a — somerton and frome. have you talked at all about a closer _ somerton and frome. have you talked at all about a closer relationship - at all about a closer relationship with the eu? tar at all about a closer relationship with the eu?— with the eu? for me, the conversation _ with the eu? for me, the conversation around - with the eu? for me, the conversation around the i with the eu? for me, the i conversation around the eu with the eu? for me, the - conversation around the eu is very much about building better trading relationships. i think we've got to take a pragmatic approach to how we develop that relationship. but certainly going back to farmers, we need to make sure that they have the business that they need to be able to develop their businesses, because they are really struggling right now. is they are really struggling right now. . they are really struggling right now. , , :, , they are really struggling right now. , i. , they are really struggling right now. , , :, they are really struggling right now. , :, :, now. is ed davey on his way now to the constituency, _ now. is ed davey on his way now to the constituency, even _ now. is ed davey on his way now to the constituency, even if _ now. is ed davey on his way now to the constituency, even if it - now. is ed davey on his way now to the constituency, even if it is - now. is ed davey on his way now to the constituency, even if it isjust l the constituency, even if it is just after 3:00 in the morning? t the constituency, even if it is 'ust after 3:00 in the morning? i believe so. ithink after 3:00 in the morning? i believe so. i think he's _ after 3:00 in the morning? i believe so. i think he's going _ after 3:00 in the morning? i believe so. i think he's going to _ after 3:00 in the morning? i believe so. i think he's going to be - after 3:00 in the morning? i believe so. i think he's going to be here - so. i think he's going to be here for the morning.— for the morning. yes, i'll bet he is. for the morning. yes, i'll bet he is- sarah _ for the morning. yes, i'll bet he is. sarah dyke, _ for the morning. yes, i'll bet he is. sarah dyke, congratulations| for the morning. yes, i'll bet he l is. sarah dyke, congratulations to you. thank you very much. i can see your supporters there behind you enjoying, no doubt, the celebrations that are ongoing. let's welcome johnny mercer, armed forces minister... johnny mercer, armed forces minister---_ johnny mercer, armed forces minister... �* :, ~ , minister... i'm not the armed forces minister... i'm not the armed forces

minister. veterans' _ minister... i'm not the armed forces minister. veterans' minister. - minister... i'm not the armed forces minister. veterans' minister. we'll. minister. veterans' minister. we'll aet there minister. veterans' minister. we'll get there in _ minister. veterans' minister. we'll get there in the _ minister. veterans' minister. we'll get there in the end. _ minister. veterans' minister. we'll get there in the end. we _ minister. veterans' minister. we'll get there in the end. we will, - get there in the end. we will, eventually- — get there in the end. we will, eventually. yes. _ get there in the end. we will, eventually. yes. yes. - get there in the end. we will, eventually. yes. yes. it- get there in the end. we will, eventually. yes. yes. it was l get there in the end. we will, j eventually. yes. yes. it was a re , eventually. yes. yes. it was a pretty. pretty _ eventually. yes. yes. it was a pretty. pretty dire _ eventually. yes. yes. it was a pretty, pretty dire result - eventually. yes. yes. it was a pretty, pretty dire result for l eventually. yes. yes. it was a l pretty, pretty dire result for the conservative candidate, and for the conservatives in general. what message do you think constituents are telling you to change?- are telling you to change? look, i think by-elections _ are telling you to change? look, i think by-elections are, _ are telling you to change? look, i think by-elections are, you - are telling you to change? look, i think by-elections are, you know, think by—elections are, you know, always really bad predictors of what's going to happen at general elections. i think you've got a 29% swing there for the lib dems, which is pretty artificial, i'd suggest. 0h...! laughter but good news for the liberal democrats for them tonight. but i pay tribute — you know, i was down there on the campaign trail to our candidate, fay. she's a brilliant local candidate and, to be honest, the activists worked incredibly hard. look, there's no bones about it — it's a really difficult situation, we've had a really difficult couple of years. because of rishi sunak _ difficult couple of years. because of rishi sunak and _ difficult couple of years. because of rishi sunak and your- difficult couple of years. because - of rishi sunak and your government. no, actually there's a particular issue down there where we've not had an mp for a little while, and we've had a difficult couple of years in government. but everyone can feel

the mood is changing, and everyone can feel — you know, you look at the inflation figures this week — things are changing. inflation figures this week - things are changing-— are changing. listen, the inflation fi . ure are changing. listen, the inflation fiaure has are changing. listen, the inflation figure has only — are changing. listen, the inflation figure has onlyjust _ are changing. listen, the inflation figure has onlyjust changed. - are changing. listen, the inflation figure has onlyjust changed. you| figure has onlyjust changed. you can't be seeing the mood changing as a result of that... laughter no, you can feel it up there. you can feel it up here... no, you can feel it up there. you can feel it up here. . .— can feel it up here... bless...! it's can feel it up here... bless...! it's been _ can feel it up here... bless...! it's been a _ can feel it up here... bless...! it's been a poor— can feel it up here... bless...! it's been a poor couple - can feel it up here... bless...! it's been a poor couple of- can feel it up here... bless...! i it's been a poor couple of years. nobody disputes that — it's been a difficult couple of years. haifa difficult couple of years. how nervous are _ difficult couple of years. how nervous are you _ difficult couple of years. how nervous are you and - difficult couple of years. how nervous are you and your- difficult couple of years. how nervous are you and your colleagues going to be? i mean, this is in the west country, if somerton and frome, where the liberal democrats were pretty well obliterated not that long ago. they're back.- pretty well obliterated not that long ago. they're back. well, as i've said long ago. they're back. well, as we said to _ long ago. they're back. well, as i've said to you, _ long ago. they're back. well, as i've said to you, i _ long ago. they're back. well, as i've said to you, ithink- i've said to you, i think by—elections — i don't personally think this is a particularly good reflection of how people feel in the west country broadly. i heard the candidate say that, you know, the lib dems are back in the west country. i think that's probably quite a strong shout... lifelong tory voters _ quite a strong shout... lifelong tory voters turning _ quite a strong shout... lifelong tory voters turning to - quite a strong shout... lifelong tory voters turning to the - quite a strong shout... lifelong i tory voters turning to the liberal democrats. tory voters turning to the liberal democrats-_ tory voters turning to the liberal democrats. �* :, , , :, democrats. ok. but, grow, this is a - this is a — democrats. ok. but, grow, this is a - this is a by-election. _ democrats. ok. but, grow, this is a - this is a by-election. we're - democrats. ok. but, grow, this is a - this is a by-election. we're in - — this is a by—election. we're in government at the moment. been in

for 13 years. government at the moment. been in for 13 years-— government at the moment. been in for 13 years-- i _ government at the moment. been in for 13 years.- i mean, - government at the moment. been in for 13 years.- i mean, you'rel for13 years. yeah... i mean, you're not going — for13 years. yeah... i mean, you're not going to — for13 years. yeah... i mean, you're not going to expect _ for13 years. yeah... i mean, you're not going to expect to _ for13 years. yeah... i mean, you're not going to expect to do _ for13 years. yeah... i mean, you're not going to expect to do that - for13 years. yeah... i mean, you're not going to expect to do that welll not going to expect to do that well in by—elections like this... not going to expect to do that well in by-elections like this. . .- in by-elections like this... unless ou've in by-elections like this... unless you've managed _ in by-elections like this... unless you've managed things _ in by-elections like this... unless you've managed things well. - in by-elections like this... unless you've managed things well. no, | in by-elections like this... unless i you've managed things well. no, jo, i think - you've managed things well. no, jo, i think - look, _ you've managed things well. no, jo, ! think - look, i— you've managed things well. no, jo, ! think - look, i think— you've managed things well. no, jo, i think - look, i think the _ you've managed things well. no, jo, i think - look, i think the last - i think — look, i think the last couple of years, everybody would accept, has been very difficult, right? but things have changed. and i can feel they're changing up here, and certainly we can feel they're changing in plymouth. we'vejust got to, you know, put our nose to the grindstone and really work hard to get there. pare grindstone and really work hard to net there. : i. :, , :, get there. are you nervous about our seat get there. are you nervous about your seat at _ get there. are you nervous about your seat at the _ get there. are you nervous about your seat at the next _ get there. are you nervous about your seat at the next election i get there. are you nervous about your seat at the next election as| get there. are you nervous about | your seat at the next election as a result of this? i mean, it's not that far away, is it?— that far away, is it? look, i think--- _ that far away, is it? look, i think... ..|_ that far away, is it? look, i think... ..1 think— that far away, is it? look, i think... ..i think you i that far away, is it? look, i. think... ..i think you wouldn't that far away, is it? look, i- think... ..i think you wouldn't be human to think, you know, things have not gone particularly well for a couple of years now, right? but i do feel, actually, that things have changed. i mean, i've been sacked twice, and i'm back in government again. so i wouldn't be there if i didn't think things would change. they have changed. is didn't think things would change. they have changed.— didn't think things would change. they have changed. is rishi sunak delivering? _ they have changed. is rishi sunak delivering? he _ they have changed. is rishi sunak delivering? he himself— they have changed. is rishi sunak delivering? he himself is - they have changed. is rishi sunak| delivering? he himself is obviously finding it much harder — he promised he was going to turn things around. yeah. :, �* :, . he was going to turn things around. yeah. :, �* :, , , he was going to turn things around. yeah. :,�* , _ : :, yeah. you've lost this by-election. admittedly. _ yeah. you've lost this by-election. admittedly, you've _

yeah. you've lost this by-election. admittedly, you've kept _ yeah. you've lost this by-election. admittedly, you've kept uxbridge. yeah. you've lost this by-election. i admittedly, you've kept uxbridge and south ruislip — just — but not without a swing to the labour party. he's not achieving what he thought he could do post—borisjohnson and post—liz truss. t he could do post-boris johnson and post-liz truss-— post-liz truss. i don't accept that. the au 's post-liz truss. i don't accept that. the guy's been _ post-liz truss. i don't accept that. the guy's been in _ post-liz truss. i don't accept that. the guy's been in like _ post-liz truss. i don't accept that. the guy's been in like eight - post-liz truss. i don't accept that. i the guy's been in like eight months, jo. the problems that he's facing are enormous. you look at the migrants coming across the channel — we've never seen a challenge like that. inflation. you know, you have the war — we paid everyone wages during covid. he's dealing with an extraordinary set of circumstances, and we're beginning to see that tied down. so i don't accept that at all. what do you say? you've heard from johnny mercer that it willjust be this by—election win and things may just turn back at the general election? t just turn back at the general election? . :, just turn back at the general election?— just turn back at the general election? , , ,, �*, election? i 'ust say - bless. he's obviously — election? ijust say - bless. he's obviously trying _ election? ijust say - bless. he's obviously trying to _ election? ijust say - bless. he's obviously trying to spin - election? ijust say - bless. he's obviously trying to spin it - election? ijust say - bless. he's obviously trying to spin it when i election? ijust say - bless. he'si obviously trying to spin it when he says 29% — obviously trying to spin it when he says 29% is — obviously trying to spin it when he says 29% is an artificial swing. this— says 29% is an artificial swing. this is— says 29% is an artificial swing. this is the _ says 29% is an artificial swing. this is the fourth gargantuan by—election win — the lib dems' first— by—election win — the lib dems' first leader _ by—election win — the lib dems' first leader since paddy ashton in the i990s — first leader since paddy ashton in the 1990s to win four by—elections in the _ the 1990s to win four by—elections in the one — the 1990s to win four by—elections in the one parliament. sarah absolutely smashed. it 11,000

majority — absolutely smashed. it 11,000 majority. we absolutely are back in the west _ majority. we absolutely are back in the west country, johnny. you look at the _ the west country, johnny. you look at the tocat— the west country, johnny. you look at the local election results in somerset, devon, gloucestershire, cheltenham we're tipped to take at the next _ cheltenham we're tipped to take at the next general election — we definitely— the next general election — we definitely are on the up. to brush it off as a flash in the pan _ to brush it off as a flash in the pan is — to brush it off as a flash in the pan is utterly disingenuous. david warburton— pan is utterly disingenuous. david warburton has been missing in action for the _ warburton has been missing in action for the last— warburton has been missing in action for the last year. was out on the doorsteps, — for the last year. was out on the doorsteps, people are saying he is not replying to us. they still remember, as sarah said, they still remember— remember, as sarah said, they still remember david heath, they were talking _ remember david heath, they were talking to — remember david heath, they were talking to me about david heath and sarah _ talking to me about david heath and sarah dyke is so popular because of her farming — sarah dyke is so popular because of her farming background, understands what farmers are facing, she will be a super— what farmers are facing, she will be a super champion in parliament and i can't a super champion in parliament and i cantwait— a super champion in parliament and i can't wait to — a super champion in parliament and i can't wait to welcome her on the green _ can't wait to welcome her on the green benches.— green benches. inaudible. we can come _ green benches. inaudible. we can come back - green benches. inaudible. we can come back to - green benches. inaudible. we can come back to the i green benches. inaudible. | we can come back to the sort green benches. inaudible. - we can come back to the sort of details shortly. they want to talk to the conservative mp, steve tuckwell in uxbridge and south ruislip. congratulations to you. you opened your acceptance speech with

well. was that because you couldn't quite believe it —— wow? this quite believe it -- wow? this campaign _ quite believe it -- wow? this campaign the _ quite believe it -- wow? this campaign the pundits - quite believe it —— wow? t't 3 campaign the pundits and pulses have been lifting a big labour when here, to be elected in the constituency where i have spent all my life, born here, raise a family can, it is an incredible privilege. i think wow was an appropriate term. you talked about sadi: was an appropriate term. you talked about sadiq khan _ was an appropriate term. you talked about sadiq khan losing _ was an appropriate term. you talked about sadiq khan losing this - about sadiq khan losing this election for labour. that was it. you admitted it, it wasn't anything you did all the conservatives have done, it was the city town with his ultra low emission zone lost it for labour. ~ :. ultra low emission zone lost it for labour. ~ :, , ,, ,, labour. well, i have been knocking on thousands _ labour. well, i have been knocking on thousands of— labour. well, i have been knocking on thousands of dollars, _ labour. well, i have been knocking on thousands of dollars, as - labour. well, i have been knocking on thousands of dollars, as with i labour. well, i have been knockingl on thousands of dollars, as with the volunteer support if the bart swings, and the number one message coming from those front doors has been absolute opposition to the expansion of ulez to this community. it will business angles families up to £4500 each year. in their voice now going to reverberi but to city hall. sadiq khan, after ignoring

this community, now needs to listen to my was not expecting to win this election, but the people have elected me an invoice is loud and clear. :, :, , :, , :, clear. the old -- only as the ultra low emission _ clear. the old -- only as the ultra low emission zone _ clear. the old -- only as the ultra low emission zone was _ clear. the old -- only as the ultra| low emission zone was introduced clear. the old -- only as the ultra i low emission zone was introduced by the former conservative mayor boris johnson and it is a conservative government that has legislated for targets to be in place to reduce levels of air pollution. so how are you going to do that without a policy like the ultra low emission zone? ~ :. . policy like the ultra low emission zone? ~ :, , :, :, zone? well, it was sadiq khan who took the decision _ zone? well, it was sadiq khan who took the decision to _ zone? well, it was sadiq khan who took the decision to expand - zone? well, it was sadiq khan who took the decision to expand ulez i took the decision to expand ulez into outer london. it's not needed and it is not going to improve our quality, we have quality already in outer london. it is hammering motorists here. this constituency is that war, hammering motorists to the tune of £4500 per year. this by—election result is the voice of the people of uxbridge and south—western he needs to listen to

that voice and stop this expansion. so it was a one issue campaign for you. politics is a lot broader than one issue, and the cost—of—living crisis that people talk about across the country is as a result, many people feel, of a conservative government, how do you explain that? there was a strong link to the cost of living difficulties that even i myself was experiencing. that was this expansion will hammer families to the tune of £4500 per year and it will devastate small businesses. people opened their minds to that and have spoken in this by—election. you know, we need to be sending the message, you have done tonight, to city done to stop the expansion into uxbridge and south ruislip —— sadiq khan. uxbridge and south ruislip -- sadiq khan. :, :, :, :, , uxbridge and south ruislip -- sadiq khan. :, :, :, :, : :, :, khan. congratulations once again. let's talk khan. congratulations once again. let's talk to _ khan. congratulations once again. let's talk to sir _ khan. congratulations once again. let's talk to sirjohn _ khan. congratulations once again. let's talk to sirjohn curtice i khan. congratulations once again. let's talk to sirjohn curtice and i let's talk to sirjohn curtice and get some context and analysis of both by—election results. let's start with uxbridge and south ruislip. 500 votes in it. very

close, john. ruislip. 500 votes in it. very close. john-— ruislip. 500 votes in it. very close, john. very close, but for labour close, john. very close, but for labour deeply _ close, john. very close, but for labour deeply disappointing i close, john. very close, but for labour deeply disappointing as| close, john. very close, but for. labour deeply disappointing as we have been saying. the swing required in uxbridge was only of the order of seven point piper sent. in the end, labourfell a seven point piper sent. in the end, labour fell a little shortfall. seven point piper sent. in the end, labourfell a little shortfall. —— seven point piper sent. given that there were 11 present swings in the last three by—elections, all in slave labour sees, you would expect labour to pick this up. it is interesting about the way in which both sides are focusing on the ulez issue. on the conservative side, i'm not sure mr sunak would have regarded the interview that mr tuckwell is helpful, there was notably by mr tuckwell to suggest this by—election result was evidence that mr sunak�*s tessel working poor this was evidence that in fact the government had turned the corner. southern central office would have preferred it if he expressed that point of view and maybe there is an

implicit acknowledgement here that maybe this by—election is exceptional. that said, on the labour side i think we can see two possible contrary arguments emerging. on the one hand, leadership may well want to say this is a clear warning. if we start talking about increasing spending and increasing taxes and we are at risk of losing the lead we have got. on the other hand, others will be saying, well, frankly, enthusiasm for the labour party is so thin that a local issue like this could up and what should have been a successful victory campaign. then maybe there are questions to be asked. so a can see this adding to the debate that is going on inside the labour party about this dance it should be offering to the electorate stop it does pose something of a dilemma. t does pose something of a dilemma. i will talk tojonathan does pose something of a dilemma. i will talk to jonathan reynolds does pose something of a dilemma. i will talk tojonathan reynolds in just a moment as to whether there should be any change in terms of what they are doing on issues like

this. let's look at somerton and frome. that is a stunning victory, as predict did, for sarah dyke, who is now the mp. 11,000 majority, just over. maybe not a surprise, but still a stunning victory for them. it is stunning. i think it is with bearing in mind how remarkable the liberal democrat performance has beenin liberal democrat performance has been in some by—elections. this is actually the fifth biggest swing from conservative to liberal democrat in any postwar by—election. but two of the by—elections in which the swing was even higher, in tiverton and honiton and north shropshire when this parliament. in a sense it comes back to something much earlier tonight, which is this really sharp contrast between the ability of the liberal democrats to do remarkably well in some by—elections at the conservatives' expense, but not so far being able

to translate this into a wider level of support for the party across the country. we have heard liberal democrat mps as they more than once during the night that their focus is on individual constituencies and trying to windows, yes, that is true, but i think the party would also have hoped to have been enjoying something of a wider revival given its ability to do well in these constituencies. two other things to pick up on this result, we should acknowledge that by my reckoning this is the best ever performance by a green candidate in a parliamentary by—election are just over 10%, a parliamentary by—election are just over10%, because a parliamentary by—election are just over 10%, because the previous record in norwich north, and, secondly, just to add to labour's disappointment, at least for now, fifth in this by—election. the vote very clearly squeezed by liberal democrats, they did manage to squeeze the labour vote here. i haven't been able to check it out but i am kind of asking myself as labour, fifth in parliamentary by—election at all before? tate labour, fifth in parliamentary by-election at all before? we will

let ou by-election at all before? we will let you ponder— by-election at all before? we will let you ponder the _ by-election at all before? we will let you ponder the question i by-election at all before? we will let you ponder the question you i by-election at all before? we will. let you ponder the question you said yourself. just before you go, just briefly, on a national swing at a general election, that the levels that the labour party needed to reach in terms of securing a majority. reach in terms of securing a majority-— majority. on a conventional calculation _ majority. on a conventional calculation on _ majority. on a conventional calculation on the - majority. on a conventional calculation on the current i calculation on the current boundaries, we don't yet have the estimates for the new ones, we're talking about a 12% swing, if the swing is the same everywhere. of course it won't necessarily be so. i think certainly a swing of around 7% of the kind we saw in uxbridge would point us rather more to a hung parliament than to a labour overall majority. but, in truth, given that the conservatives will find it difficult to find any party willing to help them sustain a minority administration, even this performance in uxbridge probably still would point to labourforming the next government. still would point to labour forming the next government.— still would point to labour forming the next government. thom kotis, thank ou the next government. thom kotis, thank you very _ the next government. thom kotis, thank you very much _ the next government. thom kotis, thank you very much for _ the next government. thom kotis, thank you very much for the i the next government. thom kotis, i thank you very much for the moment. let's go to sell ben ainslie in

north wiltshire —— selby. it we're told it may not be that far away. we will stick with the pictures while we to the panel that as the counting continues in north yorkshire. interesting, johnny mercer, what thom kotis was a, there was no enthusiasm for rishi sunak or rishi sunak�*s five pledges. it will be interesting to know if people in uxbridge and south dorset could name the five pledges that —— uxbridge and south ruislip. you accept that? it is hard to understand the specific reason why people go out to vote. we can guess at the... tate specific reason why people go out to vote. we can guess at the... we know from steve — vote. we can guess at the... we know from steve tuckwell _ vote. we can guess at the... we know from steve tuckwell it _ vote. we can guess at the... we know from steve tuckwell it was _ vote. we can guess at the... we know from steve tuckwell it was pretty i from steve tuckwell it was pretty much all about the ultra low emission zone, not because they really... emission zone, not because they reall �* emission zone, not because they reall... �* :, :, , really... he didn't say no-one is interested _ really... he didn't say no-one is interested in _ really... he didn't say no-one is interested in rishi _ really... he didn't say no-one is interested in rishi sunak, i really... he didn't say no-one is interested in rishi sunak, he i really... he didn't say no-one is. interested in rishi sunak, he said it was clearly in issue around ulez, that doesn't mean no—one is

interested in rishi sunak and people think he is not doing well. tie think he is not doing well. he didn't talk— think he is not doing well. he didn't talk about an enthusiasm for it. does that worry you? we showed earlier the approval ratings of the three leaders and rishi sunak approval rating has plummeted. tt approval rating has plummeted. tit has been a difficult eight or nine months for rishi sunak. it has been a difficult time for the entire party. we came into this and we inherited a vote.— inherited a vote. from another conservative _ inherited a vote. from another conservative government. i inherited a vote. from another conservative government. the | inherited a vote. from another i conservative government. the more inherited a vote. from another - conservative government. the more a no conservative government. the more a to out of conservative government. the more a go out of the — conservative government. the more a go out of the doors _ conservative government. the more a go out of the doors and _ conservative government. the more a go out of the doors and people - conservative government. the more a go out of the doors and people see i go out of the doors and people see of rishi sunak a in the reverse. this is obviously a difficult time and a difficult night for the conservatives in places like somerton and frome. but i don't think it is a rejection of rishi sunak at all. we literally didn't mention that full top it is the omission... mention that full top it is the omission. . .— omission... crosstalk. he didn't _ omission... crosstalk. he didn't even _ omission... crosstalk. he didn't even talk i omission... crosstalk. | he didn't even talk about omission... crosstalk. . he didn't even talk about it. omission... crosstalk. - he didn't even talk about it. you can rely on the counterfactual in that sense. but he didn't talk about

it. :. , :, , :, that sense. but he didn't talk about it. ulez came up as an issue, right, absolutely- — it. ulez came up as an issue, right, absolutely- in _ it. ulez came up as an issue, right, absolutely. in the _ it. ulez came up as an issue, right, absolutely. in the local— it. ulez came up as an issue, right, absolutely. in the local candid i absolutely. in the local candid there has run a strong campaign on it. and i'm sure that what the prime minister is doing, actually, iphone people wanting to focus on stuff like that and get it done, you know, his five priorities and other things, think he has inherited an incredibly difficult situation and he is doing well. he incredibly difficult situation and he is doing well.— incredibly difficult situation and he is doing well. he has inherited it from the _ he is doing well. he has inherited it from the previous _ he is doing well. he has inherited it from the previous conservative | it from the previous conservative government. it's not like he inherited it from a different party, has he? 50 failure, failure of the previous conservative government. it is a difficult couple of years in terms of how we have chase governments, people are feeling the pinch. but this idea he has done nothing, he took cost of living came up nothing, he took cost of living came up there, every single one of those constituency voted overnights was £3300 better off towards their energy bills from the cost of living hell. his religious figures on inflation, these are the things having a real impact on i think as people begin to feel that in their

pockets things will change. johnny, ou could pockets things will change. johnny, you could get _ pockets things will change. johnny, you could get far— pockets things will change. johnny, you could get far more _ pockets things will change. johnny, you could get far more difficult - pockets things will change. johnny, you could get far more difficult for| you could get far more difficult for labour, quintiq? you should have taken the seat of uxbridge and south ruislip. the swing isn't big enough to guarantee a majority with all the caveats that we know about using a by—election result or the swing and a by—election towards labour, even though you didn't win that seat in terms of any predictions at a national election. you must be disappointed. {lit national election. you must be disappointed-— national election. you must be disappointed. of course you are disappointed — disappointed. of course you are disappointed when _ disappointed. of course you are disappointed when you - disappointed. of course you are disappointed when you have - disappointed. of course you are disappointed when you have a l disappointed when you have a situation where you won't win as many scenes as possible. they thought the interview with our new parliamentary colleagues was absolutely fair. it was ulez. that is the issue that clearly change this. because we have had the case, we had sensational local election results and those like wakefield, significant swings, expectations rise stop people think he was a contest. but it doesn't work like that. there are distinct electoral battlegrounds. i will say, that. there are distinct electoral battlegrounds. iwill say, looker will what we know already, look at the results in frome, look at what

we will see when the result comes in and selby, there are more somerton is an selby�*s than uxbridge is because of this possessors of the local issue in the campaign. if we're going to draw things out we will take it from the full picture. no expectations are high but when you have a resident local issue it can become a by—election issue. we have seen that. even when that the conservatives holding the seat on a much reduced majority. i% in it, a majority under 500. that is not a resounding endorsement when it is a setting conservative seat. it resounding endorsement when it is a setting conservative seat.— setting conservative seat. it may not be a resounding _ setting conservative seat. it may| not be a resounding endorsement setting conservative seat. it may - not be a resounding endorsement but i think they will be hearing in conservative central office, won't they? conservative central office, won't the ? , , , ., , ., they? definitely. it provides a auestion they? definitely. it provides a question of— they? definitely. it provides a question of what _ they? definitely. it provides a question of what the - they? definitely. it provides a - question of what the conservatives and labour— question of what the conservatives and labour decide to do in that doughnut— and labour decide to do in that doughnut bubble area around london, because _ doughnut bubble area around london, because obviously ulez is not a problem — because obviously ulez is not a problem that is going away. we have seen night _ problem that is going away. we have seen night it really resonates with issues _ seen night it really resonates with issues on — seen night it really resonates with issues on both side. as labour going to continue _ issues on both side. as labour going to continue with our policy? avintia from _ to continue with our policy? avintia from keir_ to continue with our policy? avintia from keir starmer what he thinks about—

from keir starmer what he thinks about this, — from keir starmer what he thinks about this, he has been on the fence about— about this, he has been on the fence about this _ about this, he has been on the fence about this issue. will he keepit will his— about this issue. will he keepit will his setu city khan as we come up will his setu city khan as we come up to— will his setu city khan as we come up to an _ will his setu city khan as we come up to an election that we think could — up to an election that we think could be — up to an election that we think could be so close that we could be a swing _ could be so close that we could be a swing that _ could be so close that we could be a swing that will get a hung parliament if not a majority, will adjust _ parliament if not a majority, will adjust the — parliament if not a majority, will adjust the policy ahead of that election? is adjust the policy ahead of that election? , , ,, ., ~ adjust the policy ahead of that election? , , ,, .,~ ., ., election? is rishi sunak going to come out of _ election? is rishi sunak going to come out of three _ election? is rishi sunak going to come out of three by-elections, | election? is rishi sunak going to i come out of three by-elections, we come out of three by—elections, we don't know what will happen in selby and ainsty, that having held one as we wait to hear what is happening in north yorkshire, not as bad a night as perhaps he thought. but north yorkshire, not as bad a night as perhaps he thought.— north yorkshire, not as bad a night as perhaps he thought. but you look at that swing — as perhaps he thought. but you look at that swing in _ as perhaps he thought. but you look at that swing in somerton _ as perhaps he thought. but you look at that swing in somerton and - as perhaps he thought. but you look. at that swing in somerton and frome, johnny knows he is a west country mp, his seat as a labour facing seat, but loads of those things in the west country used to be gold all the west country used to be gold all the classic paddy ashdown territory, yeovil, close to somerton and frome, also places in cornwall, then the 2015 election came along, you bulldoze through them all, took them over, those things were not in play, you didn't have to worry about them in 2017 or 2019, able to go on and conquer the red wall, etc, etc, the

next election you will have a fight in those red wall seas, those in the west country will be back in play again and then you have the problem in the southeast where have the lib dems nipping at your heels in places like surrey surrounding london. i think that is a fair analysis. a20 9% swing — think that is a fair analysis. a20 9% swing to the liberal democrats. i think that _ 9% swing to the liberal democrats. i think that you are absolutely right in terms _ think that you are absolutely right in terms of the history of the place on i think— in terms of the history of the place on i think colleagues and liberal democrat— on i think colleagues and liberal democrat seats will absolutely accept — democrat seats will absolutely accept that. i think he 29% swing is not in _ accept that. i think he 29% swing is not in the _ accept that. i think he 29% swing is not in the real world top there are loads— not in the real world top there are loads of— not in the real world top there are loads of seats in that area with much — loads of seats in that area with much smaller tory majority is that the lib— much smaller tory majority is that the lib dems could easily take on a much _ the lib dems could easily take on a much smaller swing. they the lib dems could easily take on a much smaller swing.— the lib dems could easily take on a much smaller swing. they could. some of them require — much smaller swing. they could. some of them require smaller _ much smaller swing. they could. some of them require smaller swings. - much smaller swing. they could. some of them require smaller swings. in - of them require smaller swings. in the 2019— of them require smaller swings. in the 2019 results, _ of them require smaller swings. in the 2019 results, the _ of them require smaller swings. in the 2019 results, the liberal- the 2019 results, the liberal democrats _ the 2019 results, the liberal democrats - _ the 2019 results, the liberal democrats — there - the 2019 results, the liberal democrats — there was - the 2019 results, the liberal democrats — there was not i the 2019 results, the liberalj democrats — there was not a resurgence — democrats — there was not a resurgence that _ democrats — there was not a resurgence that was - democrats — there was not al resurgence that was expected democrats — there was not a - resurgence that was expected and predicted — resurgence that was expected and predicted by— resurgence that was expected and predicted by many— resurgence that was expected and predicted by many of _ resurgence that was expected and predicted by many of the - resurgence that was expected and predicted by many of the liberal l predicted by many of the liberal democrats — predicted by many of the liberal democrats down _ predicted by many of the liberal democrats down in _ predicted by many of the liberal democrats down in that - predicted by many of the liberal democrats down in that part - predicted by many of the liberal democrats down in that part of. predicted by many of the liberal. democrats down in that part of the world _ democrats down in that part of the world i_ democrats down in that part of the world ithink— democrats down in that part of the world i think - _ democrats down in that part of the world. i think — i'll— democrats down in that part of the world. i think — i'll come _ democrats down in that part of the world. i think — i'll come back- democrats down in that part of the world. i think — i'll come back to. world. i think — i'll come back to what _ world. i think — i'll come back to what i _ world. i think — i'll come back to what i said — world. i think — i'll come back to what i said at— world. i think — i'll come back to what i said at the _ world. i think — i'll come back to what i said at the beginning. - world. i think — i'll come back to| what i said at the beginning. this is a by—election, _ what i said at the beginning. this is a by—election, it's— what i said at the beginning. this is a by—election, it's a _ what i said at the beginning. this is a by—election, it's a 29% - what i said at the beginning. thisi is a by—election, it's a 29% swing. i don't _ is a by—election, it's a 29% swing. idon't think— is a by—election, it's a 29% swing. i don't think we _ is a by—election, it's a 29% swing. idon't think we will— is a by—election, it's a 29% swing. i don't think we will see _ is a by—election, it's a 29% swing. i don't think we will see a - is a by—election, it's a 29% swing. i don't think we will see a 29% - i don't think we will see a 29% swing — i don't think we will see a 29% swing to —

i don't think we will see a 29% swing to the _ i don't think we will see a 29% swing to the liberal _ i don't think we will see a 29%l swing to the liberal democrats i don't think we will see a 29% i swing to the liberal democrats in the west— swing to the liberal democrats in the west country— swing to the liberal democrats in the west country in _ swing to the liberal democrats in the west country in the _ swing to the liberal democrats in the west country in the general. the west country in the general election — the west country in the general election. ., ,': :: the west country in the general election. ., ;;:: ., , ., election. there are 30 conservative seats where — election. there are 30 conservative seats where we _ election. there are 30 conservative seats where we need _ election. there are 30 conservative seats where we need less - election. there are 30 conservative seats where we need less than - election. there are 30 conservative seats where we need less than a i election. there are 30 conservative i seats where we need less than a 1096 seats where we need less than a 10% swing for the liberal democrats to win them. , , swing for the liberal democrats to win them._ your - win them. yep. yep... your colleagues. _ win them. yep. yep... your colleagues, whether- win them. yep. yep... your colleagues, whether it's - win them. yep. yep... your colleagues, whether it's in l colleagues, whether it's in wimbledon, cheltenham, places like that, cheadle, harrogate — they'll be looking over their shoulders and will be very, very concerned. this idea that mps _ will be very, very concerned. this idea that mps are _ will be very, very concerned. this idea that mps are not _ will be very, very concerned. 1m?» idea that mps are not looking over their shoulders all the time is for their shoulders all the time is for the birds. ., �* ., ,, , ., , the birds. you've taken the people for granted — the birds. you've taken the people for granted - _ the birds. you've taken the people for granted - you _ the birds. you've taken the people for granted - you don't _ the birds. you've taken the people for granted - you don't listen - the birds. you've taken the people for granted - you don't listen to i for granted — you don't listen to them or respond to their concerns. that's why we're doing so well. i think that's absolute rubbish. that's why we're doing so well. i i think that's absolute rubbish. how nervous do — think that's absolute rubbish. how nervous do you — think that's absolute rubbish. how nervous do you think colleagues will be? ., ., , ., ., , nervous do you think colleagues will be? ., ., be? colleagues are nervous because it's been a very _ be? colleagues are nervous because it's been a very difficult _ be? colleagues are nervous because it's been a very difficult time - it's been a very difficult time during the country. the last couple of years have been extraordinarily turbulent at a national level in the conservative party. so it wouldn't be human if you were not nervous. that said, people are beginning to feel that, actually, under this prime minister, things have changed. people are beginning to feel it up

here. we've got to press that across the country. we've got to do that down in places like plymouth. mit? the country. we've got to do that down in places like plymouth. why do ou think down in places like plymouth. why do you think the — down in places like plymouth. why do you think the polls _ down in places like plymouth. why do you think the polls are _ down in places like plymouth. why do you think the polls are still _ you think the polls are still putting labour 20 points ahead? i mean, if you're saying that people are feeling it, they would be coming down, wouldn't they? there would be a closer gap between labour and the tories. i’iiii a closer gap between labour and the tories. �* , ., , . ., tories. i'll tell you why, jo. because — tories. i'll tell you why, jo. because in _ tories. i'll tell you why, jo. because in plymouth, i tories. i'll tell you why, jo. l because in plymouth, labour tories. i'll tell you why, jo. i because in plymouth, labour are winning with less than what they got when they lost last time. all right? so there is no enthusiasm whatsoever... so there is no enthusiasm whatsoever. . .— so there is no enthusiasm i whatsoever. . .- ..for keir whatsoever... well... ..for keir starmer — whatsoever... well... ..for keir starmer to _ whatsoever... well... ..for keir starmer to come _ whatsoever... well... ..for keir starmer to come out _ whatsoever... well... ..for keir starmer to come out and - whatsoever... well... ..for keir starmer to come out and vote . whatsoever... well... ..for keirl starmer to come out and vote for him. ourvoters starmer to come out and vote for him. our voters are staying at home, not coming out, because they're annoyed with the conservative party. i totally understand that. they're not going from that to voting for keir starmer. that means there's a real clear opportunity there to go out, get them back, show what this government and what rishi sunak is about, and get in at the next general election. i strongly believe that. ~ ., �* general election. i strongly believe that. ., �* general election. i strongly believe that. . �* , that. what i'd say is, given we sat in the same _ that. what i'd say is, given we sat in the same seats _ that. what i'd say is, given we sat in the same seats for— that. what i'd say is, given we sat in the same seats for the - that. what i'd say is, given we sat in the same seats for the local i in the same seats for the local general— in the same seats for the local general election results, and this is exactly— general election results, and this is exactly the same script the conservative party had — actually, they said — conservative party had — actually, they said this is a vote on the older— they said this is a vote on the

older conservative party and people like rishi _ older conservative party and people like rishi sunak. where's the evidence _ like rishi sunak. where's the evidence of that? they said people are staying at home and not switching to labour. then these swing _ switching to labour. then these swing comes in showing tremendous, tectonic— swing comes in showing tremendous, tectonic shifts toward any opposition party to beat the conservative party. the evidence is against _ conservative party. the evidence is against that. the numbers are really clear _ against that. the numbers are really clear. ~ , , �* ,, ., ., clear. why isn't keir starmer more --oular? clear. why isn't keir starmer more popular? why _ clear. why isn't keir starmer more popular? why isn't _ clear. why isn't keir starmer more popular? why isn't there - clear. why isn't keir starmer more popular? why isn't there more i popular? why isn't there more demonstrative enthusiasm for the labour leader?— demonstrative enthusiasm for the labour leader? with respect... i'd like to say — labour leader? with respect... i'd like to say keir— labour leader? with respect... i'd like to say keir starmer— labour leader? with respect... i'd like to say keir starmer has i labour leader? with respect... i'd| like to say keir starmer has turned the labour— like to say keir starmer has turned the labour party around since 2019 in a way— the labour party around since 2019 in a way which has no precedent in history _ in a way which has no precedent in histo . , in a way which has no precedent in history-_ look— in a way which has no precedent in history._ look at - in a way which has no precedent in history._ look at our- history. oh, sure. look at our by-election — history. oh, sure. look at our by-election results, - history. oh, sure. look at our by-election results, our- history. oh, sure. look at our by-election results, our local| by—election results, our local election— by—election results, our local election results, look at the polling. _ election results, look at the polling, look at the position the labour— polling, look at the position the labour party is in. i feel sometimes, if we win a general election— sometimes, if we win a general election and he's walking up downing street, _ election and he's walking up downing street, you _ election and he's walking up downing street, you guys will be sitting here _ street, you guys will be sitting here going, "this is a disaster for labour _ here going, "this is a disaster for labour the — here going, "this is a disaster for labour. the last thing labour wanted to do— labour. the last thing labour wanted to do was— labour. the last thing labour wanted to do was win a general election." theres— to do was win a general election." there's a — to do was win a general election." there's a point where the evidence stacks _ there's a point where the evidence stacks up _ there's a point where the evidence stacks up against... the there's a point where the evidence stacks up against. . .— there's a point where the evidence stacks up against... the more people see keir starmer, _ stacks up against... the more people see keir starmer, the _ stacks up against... the more people see keir starmer, the more _ stacks up against... the more people see keir starmer, the more they're .

see keir starmer, the more they're like, "wow. we do not want this guy anywhere near parliament." what anywhere near parliament." what evidence do _ anywhere near parliament." what evidence do you _ anywhere near parliament." what evidence do you have _ anywhere near parliament." what evidence do you have of- anywhere near parliament." what evidence do you have of that? anywhere near parliament." whati evidence do you have of that? he's never stuck — evidence do you have of that? he's never stuck to _ evidence do you have of that? he's never stuck to a _ evidence do you have of that? he's never stuck to a policy. _ evidence do you have of that? he�*s never stuck to a policy. he changes his mind on absolutely everything. that ulez candidate... his mind on absolutely everything. that ulez candidate. . .— that ulez candidate... really? a olitician that ulez candidate... really? a politician not _ that ulez candidate... really? a politician not sticking _ that ulez candidate... really? a politician not sticking to - that ulez candidate... really? a politician not sticking to a i politician not sticking to a policy?! politician not sticking to a oli ?! ., , ., politician not sticking to a oli ?! ., policy?! he was for ulez until last week, policy?! he was for ulez until last week. then _ policy?! he was for ulez until last week. then he — policy?! he was for ulez until last week, then he changed _ policy?! he was for ulez until last week, then he changed his i policy?! he was for ulez until last week, then he changed his mind. | policy?! he was for ulez until last i week, then he changed his mind. the biggest problem labour have got is that people are not stupid. they see that people are not stupid. they see that and won't vote for him at all. have you stuck to your pacts since 2019? _ have you stuck to your pacts since 2019? ., ., , , ., , ., 2019? yeah, for pensions, and clearly we've — 2019? yeah, for pensions, and clearly we've had _ 2019? yeah, for pensions, and clearly we've had the - 2019? yeah, for pensions, and clearly we've had the war i 2019? yeah, for pensions, and clearly we've had the war in i 2019? yeah, for pensions, and i clearly we've had the war in ukraine and we've had covid. ikla clearly we've had the war in ukraine and we've had covid.— and we've had covid. no taxation... on ke and we've had covid. no taxation... 0n key policies _ and we've had covid. no taxation... on key policies like _ and we've had covid. no taxation... on key policies like immigration i and we've had covid. no taxation... | on key policies like immigration and the immigration bill... on key policies like immigration and the immigration bill. . .— the immigration bill... immigration has one the immigration bill... immigration has gone up- _ the immigration bill... immigration has gone up- net— the immigration bill... immigration has gone up. net migration's i the immigration bill... immigration has gone up. net migration's gone | has gone up. net migration's gone up. taxes have gone up. irate has gone up. net migration's gone up. taxes have gone up. we passed the migration _ up. taxes have gone up. we passed the migration bill— up. taxes have gone up. we passed the migration bill this _ up. taxes have gone up. we passed the migration bill this week. - up. taxes have gone up. we passed the migration bill this week. tell- the migration bill this week. tell me one thing — the migration bill this week. tell me one thing on that. yep, yep, yep. what is going to change? what's going to be the material difference now that illegal migration bill is on the statute book?—

now that illegal migration bill is on the statute book? look, we've seen a lot — on the statute book? look, we've seen a lot of— on the statute book? look, we've seen a lot of different _ on the statute book? look, we've seen a lot of different policies i on the statute book? look, we've seen a lot of different policies to l seen a lot of different policies to try and tackle what is a growing and multifaceted issue. we want to see a deterrent effect on that.— deterrent effect on that. nothing will change _ deterrent effect on that. nothing will change to — deterrent effect on that. nothing will change to someone - deterrent effect on that. nothing will change to someone who i deterrent effect on that. nothing i will change to someone who arrives in a small boat across the channel tomorrow than it would have done yesterday. tomorrow than it would have done esterda . ~ ., , tomorrow than it would have done yesterday-_ 0h. - tomorrow than it would have done i yesterday._ oh, yeah? yesterday. well, it does. oh, yeah? we have to — yesterday. well, it does. oh, yeah? we have to break _ yesterday. well, it does. oh, yeah? we have to break the _ yesterday. well, it does. oh, yeah? we have to break the model- yesterday. well, it does. oh, yeah? we have to break the model of- yesterday. well, it does. oh, yeah? | we have to break the model of those who are bringing people over, right? so there's a balance here around deterrence and stuff like this. so i think — you know, there's not one silver thing that is going to completely solve this issue. ila. silver thing that is going to completely solve this issue. ma. you completely solve this issue. no. you have to have a number of different things. one is around deterrence and what this bill is. there are some good measures in that bill. i what this bill is. there are some good measures in that bill. i mean, is there going _ good measures in that bill. i mean, is there going to — good measures in that bill. i mean, is there going to be _ good measures in that bill. i mean, is there going to be enough - good measures in that bill. i mean, is there going to be enough of- good measures in that bill. i mean, is there going to be enough of a - is there going to be enough of a distinction between what rishi sunak and the conservatives have been doing and say they'll continue to do, and what keir starmer is offering? this accusation of flip—flopping, this accusation of dropping all of the pledges in the leadership, you're right to point out the conservatives have dropped much of that manifesto, but is it

going to harm keir starmer more? we going to harm keir starmer more? - haven't dropped our manifesto. you've dropped whole loads of it. some of it hasn't been done, right? but to say we're in the same league as some of these flip—flops is delusional. as some of these flip-flops is delusional.— as some of these flip-flops is delusional. �* , , ., , ., delusional. there's loads of your manifesto _ delusional. there's loads of your manifesto you've _ delusional. there's loads of your manifesto you've not _ delusional. there's loads of your manifesto you've not kept. - delusional. there's loads of your manifesto you've not kept. look| delusional. there's loads of your i manifesto you've not kept. look at the pledges that rishi sunak made 'ust the pledges that rishi sunak made just a _ the pledges that rishi sunak made just a few— the pledges that rishi sunak made just a few months ago.— the pledges that rishi sunak made just a few months ago. yeah, he said he'd do it in — just a few months ago. yeah, he said he'd do it in a — just a few months ago. yeah, he said he'd do it in a year, _ just a few months ago. yeah, he said he'd do it in a year, right? _ just a few months ago. yeah, he said he'd do it in a year, right? have - just a few months ago. yeah, he said he'd do it in a year, right? have we l he'd do it in a year, right? have we had a year? no. but he'd do it in a year, right? have we had a year? no— had a year? no. but he's charging --eole had a year? no. but he's charging people £10 _ had a year? no. but he's charging people £10 to _ had a year? no. but he's charging people £10 to go _ had a year? no. but he's charging people £10 to go to _ had a year? no. but he's charging people £10 to go to their- had a year? no. but he's charging people £10 to go to their gp - - had a year? no. but he's charging people £10 to go to their gp - gotj people £10 to go to their gp — got rid of— people £10 to go to their gp — got rid of that— people £10 to go to their gp — got rid of that one. there's loads he had to— rid of that one. there's loads he had to get— rid of that one. there's loads he had to get rid of. you rid of that one. there's loads he had to get rid of.— rid of that one. there's loads he had to get rid of. you yourself have admirably said _ had to get rid of. you yourself have admirably said it's _ had to get rid of. you yourself have admirably said it's been _ had to get rid of. you yourself have admirably said it's been a - had to get rid of. you yourself have admirably said it's been a turbulent time, radical changes of policy — rishi sunak and jeremy hunt's whole pitch is that they're going to damage risk... we've had a radical change in policy for an incumbent political party in the last 13 years. you've frankly talked about

that, and then you're criticising finally a consistent move from the labour party to turn back to the mainstream and win the trust of the british people. mainstream and win the trust of the british people-— british people. there's a crucial difference _ british people. there's a crucial difference here, _ british people. there's a crucial difference here, right? - british people. there's a crucial difference here, right? you've i difference here, right? you've changed — difference here, right? you've changed leader, right? you had jeremy— changed leader, right? you had jeremy corbyn — obviously complete hinfire _ jeremy corbyn — obviously complete hinfire got— jeremy corbyn — obviously complete binfire. got rid of that, then you've — binfire. got rid of that, then you've got keir starmer in. if he'd stuck_ you've got keir starmer in. if he'd stuck for— you've got keir starmer in. if he'd stuck for what he said, at least people — stuck for what he said, at least people would know what he's standing for. people would know what he's standing for~ but _ people would know what he's standing for~ but he _ people would know what he's standing for. but he suggests one policy one week, _ for. but he suggests one policy one week, then — for. but he suggests one policy one week, then people are tuning out. they— week, then people are tuning out. they know— week, then people are tuning out. they know the next week, he'll change — they know the next week, he'll change his mind. he's done that on six or— change his mind. he's done that on six or seven — change his mind. he's done that on six or seven issues in the last week — six or seven issues in the last week |— six or seven issues in the last week. ., . , six or seven issues in the last week. ., ., , . ., six or seven issues in the last i week-_ how six or seven issues in the last week. ., . , . . how can week. i totally re'ect that. how can ou re'ect week. i totally re'ect that. how can you reject than — week. i totally reject that. how can you reject that? when you've - week. i totally reject that. how can you reject that? when you've had l week. i totally reject that. how can l you reject that? when you've had an economic situation _ you reject that? when you've had an economic situation like _ you reject that? when you've had an economic situation like we _ you reject that? when you've had an economic situation like we have, - you reject that? when you've had an | economic situation like we have, and we are frank about that, there isn't a lot of money to spend. the cost of borrowing is going up. people are paying hundreds of thousands of pounds on their mortgages. the liz truss government, in particular — we cannot pretend that situation doesn't exist. we've got to be frank with people and say, yes, we do not like the two—child limit. we recognise the huge growth in poverty in the last 13 years. if i come on

here and say this is exactly how i'd pay for it, i've got to knowledge... the two—child limit is absolutely a case in _ the two—child limit is absolutely a case in point. is the two-child limit is absolutely a case in point-— case in point. is it a good policy? i think case in point. is it a good policy? i think it's _ case in point. is it a good policy? i think it's a _ case in point. is it a good policy? i think it's a fair _ case in point. is it a good policy? i think it's a fair policy, _ case in point. is it a good policy? i think it's a fair policy, yeah. - i think it's a fair policy, yeah. you _ i think it's a fair policy, yeah. you still— i think it's a fair policy, yeah. you still think it's a fair policy? yes, i do think it's a fair policy. you've — yes, i do think it's a fair policy. you've had _ yes, i do think it's a fair policy. you've had this over the years. the names_ you've had this over the years. the names i've — you've had this over the years. the names i've been called for being a tory mp_ names i've been called for being a tory mp because of this policy — cruel, _ tory mp because of this policy — cruel, barbaric and all the rest of it _ cruel, barbaric and all the rest of it... , , , ., , cruel, barbaric and all the rest of it... , , , ~ cruel, barbaric and all the rest of it... gubut you still think it's a aood it... gubut you still think it's a good policy? _ it... gubut you still think it's a good policy? that's _ it... gubut you still think it's a good policy? that's their - it... gubut you still think it's a| good policy? that's their view, it... gubut you still think it's a - good policy? that's their view, not m view. good policy? that's their view, not my view- their _ good policy? that's their view, not my view. their view _ good policy? that's their view, not my view. their view is _ good policy? that's their view, not my view. their view is that - good policy? that's their view, not my view. their view is that it's - my view. their view is that it's cruel— my view. their view is that it's cruel and _ my view. their view is that it's cruel and barbaric. suddenly, they're — cruel and barbaric. suddenly, they're doing exactly the same thing — they're doing exactly the same thin. ~ �* ., they're doing exactly the same thin, �* ., �* thing. we're acknowledging we can't romise to thing. we're acknowledging we can't promise to get _ thing. we're acknowledging we can't promise to get rid _ thing. we're acknowledging we can't promise to get rid of _ thing. we're acknowledging we can't promise to get rid of it _ thing. we're acknowledging we can't promise to get rid of it on _ thing. we're acknowledging we can't promise to get rid of it on day - thing. we're acknowledging we can't promise to get rid of it on day one. i promise to get rid of it on day one. that is not the same. do you agree with that e thos?— with that e thos? they see sea the hand-wringing... _ with that e thos? they see sea the hand-wringing. .. listening - with that e thos? they see sea the hand-wringing. .. listening to - with that e thos? they see sea the | hand-wringing. .. listening to these two arr ue, hand-wringing. .. listening to these two argue, bicker, _ hand-wringing. .. listening to these two argue, bicker, debate... - hand-wringing. .. listening to these two argue, bicker, debate... we're| two argue, bicker, debate... we're not bickering! _ two argue, bicker, debate... we're not bickering! i— two argue, bicker, debate... we're not bickering! i offered _ two argue, bicker, debate... we're not bickering! i offered at - two argue, bicker, debate... we're not bickering! i offered at least - not bickering! i offered at least three words — not bickering! i offered at least three words to _ not bickering! i offered at least three words to describe - not bickering! i offered at least three words to describe it. - three words to describe it. laughter on the important point of what liberal democrats will be able to achieve at a general election — it's true, you're right, you need around a 10% swing in many of the seats

that you are targeting. how confident are you? would you like the make a prediction about how many seats you could take at the next general election in that part of the country? general election in that part of the count ? �* . , ,,., country? i've learnt my lesson the hard way through _ country? i've learnt my lesson the hard way through various - country? i've learnt my lesson the. hard way through various elections. you've done it now, so you might as well continue. you've done it now, so you might as well continue-— well continue. never make a prediction- _ well continue. never make a prediction. we _ well continue. never make a prediction. we are _ well continue. never make a prediction. we are very - well continue. never make a - prediction. we are very well-placed prediction. we are very well—placed in swathes of conservative seats across the blue wall, and that's across the blue wall, and that's across the blue wall, and that's across the country, and we're best placed to take those seats. if we want to get the conservatives out of downing street, we need to be winning those seats. labour can't do it, frankly, on their own without us winning in those seats. we are working very, very hard to make sure that we beat them at the next election. i5 that we beat them at the next election. . ., that we beat them at the next election. , ., ., , election. is one of the things that's helping _ election. is one of the things that's helping you _ election. is one of the things that's helping you - - election. is one of the things that's helping you - i - election. is one of the things that's helping you - i mean, | election. is one of the things i that's helping you - i mean, the that's helping you — i mean, the accusation that liberal democrats are often nimbys — "not in my back yard." housing, although it was fifth on the list of priorities, housing is absolutely critically important, and will no doubt be so at the next general election. but you say one thing nationally about

wanting to build houses, about wanting to build houses, about wanting to build houses, about wanting to expand — and a very different thing locally. wanting to expand - and a very different thing locally.— different thing locally. that's absolutely — different thing locally. that's absolutely not _ different thing locally. that's absolutely not true. - different thing locally. that's - absolutely not true. mmmmm. .. different thing locally. that's _ absolutely not true. mmmmm... look, in frome--- _ absolutely not true. mmmmm... look, in frome- -- say — absolutely not true. mmmmm... look, in frome. .. say one _ absolutely not true. mmmmm... look, in frome. .. say one thing _ absolutely not true. mmmmm... look, in frome. .. say one thing locally - in frome. .. say one thing locally and another _ in frome. .. say one thing locally and another thing _ in frome. .. say one thing locally and another thing nationally? . in frome. .. say one thing locally i and another thing nationally? never seen that— and another thing nationally? never seen that before...! chuckles in frome, the liberal democrat council is building eco—friendly social housing there, working with the community to put that in. in lib dem—run kingston, we've got a huge social housing building project. in lib dem—run lake district, where the lib dem—run lake district, where the lib dems are running the council, in eastly, in south cambridgeshire, we have massive social housing projects. ourapproach have massive social housing projects. our approach is not the conservative approach, which is essentially to let the developers choose where they build and build luxury homes that local people can't afford... . v luxury homes that local people can't afford... . �*, ., luxury homes that local people can't afford---_ in _ luxury homes that local people can't afford. . ._ in working - afford... that's not... in working with local _ afford... that's not... in working with local communities... - afford... that's not... in working with local communities... hang i afford... that's not... in working i with local communities... hang on,

hanu on. with local communities... hang on, hang on- those _ with local communities... hang on, hang on. those areas _ with local communities... hang on, hang on. those areas i've _ with local communities... hang on, hang on. those areas i've talked i hang on. those areas i've talked about where _ hang on. those areas i've talked about where lib _ hang on. those areas i've talked about where lib dem _ hang on. those areas i've talked about where lib dem councils i hang on. those areas i've talkedl about where lib dem councils are building housing, week after week, i hear conservative mps opposing them. would you welcome mandatory housing targets across the country? ida. targets across the country? no, because that's _ targets across the country? no, because that's what... - targets across the country? no, because that's what... why i targets across the country? no, | because that's what... why not? targets across the country? no, l because that's what... why not? i thou~ht because that's what... why not? i thought we _ because that's what... why not? i thought we were _ because that's what... why not? i thought we were in _ because that's what... why not? i thought we were in favour - because that's what... why not? i thought we were in favour of i because that's what... why not? i i thought we were in favour of houses being built. hang on, you've got rid of the mandatory housing targets... the target — no, it's not change live on air. let me finish answer the question. live on air. let me finish answer the question-— live on air. let me finish answer the question.- the - live on air. let me finish answer i the question.- the mandatory the question. sorry. the mandatory housin: the question. sorry. the mandatory housing target _ the question. sorry. the mandatory housing target was _ the question. sorry. the mandatory housing target was leading - the question. sorry. the mandatory housing target was leading to this developer—led approach where, essentially, developers are putting up essentially, developers are putting up to meet these housing targets, developers are allowed to put up these luxury houses that local young people who grew up in the area and key workers — we see this in my own constituency — can't afford to buy. it's one of the reasons i achieved a change in law for this parliament to ensure that publicly—owned assets, particularly by police authorities, for example, when they're selling off police stations, can actually be

sold below market value so that we can develop affordable housing, social housing, gp surgeries. because at the moment, because those conservatives are leaving so many public services under—funded, when we are selling off public—sector assets in the nhs and police service, they're being told for top dollar to private developers, which is... , ., , ,., , dollar to private developers, which is... , ., , all is... the question still stands. all houses become _ is... the question still stands. all houses become unaffordable i is... the question still stands. all houses become unaffordable - i is... the question still stands. all i houses become unaffordable - that's houses become unaffordable — that's the problem. houses become unaffordable - that's the problem-— houses become unaffordable - that's the roblem. ~ �* ':: .., the problem. we're100% committed - we 'ust the problem. we're100% committed - we just have — the problem. we're100% committed - we just have a — the problem. we're100% committed - we just have a different _ the problem. we're100% committed - we just have a different approach i the problem. we're100% committed - we just have a different approach to i we just have a different approach to you. we just have a different approach to ou. ., . y we just have a different approach to ou. ., ., , , , �* , you. totally behind it, but there's not to be you. totally behind it, but there's got to be a _ you. totally behind it, but there's got to be a special— you. totally behind it, but there's got to be a special criteria. i you. totally behind it, but there's got to be a special criteria. no, i got to be a special criteria. no, there is not... _ got to be a special criteria. no, there is not... the _ got to be a special criteria. no, there is not... the thing i got to be a special criteria. no, there is not... the thing is, i got to be a special criteria. no, i there is not... the thing is, johnny mercer, without... _ there is not... the thing is, johnny mercer, without... a _ there is not... the thing is, johnny mercer, without... a top-down, i mercer, without... a top-down, authoritarian _ mercer, without... a top-down, authoritarian approach - mercer, without... a top-down, authoritarian approach like i mercer, without... a top-down, authoritarian approach like you i authoritarian approach like you two... ., �* , authoritarian approach like you two... , ., two... you've 'ust scrapped a housin: two... you've just scrapped a housing target. _ two... you've just scrapped a housing target. they - two... you've just scrapped a housing target. they have, i two... you've just scrapped a i housing target. they have, johnny, what do you _ housing target. they have, johnny, what do you say — housing target. they have, johnny, what do you say to _ housing target. they have, johnny, what do you say to simon - housing target. they have, johnny, what do you say to simon clarke, l what do you say to simon clarke, your conservative colleague, who is desperate for mandatory housing targets? he says you are selling out on young people, the younger generation, who will not be able to afford to rent, never mind to buy, or can't afford to rent or buy,

because you will not get those houses built without those targets? is he wrong? houses built without those targets? is he wrong?— is he wrong? look, simon's got his view on it- — is he wrong? look, simon's got his view on it- i — is he wrong? look, simon's got his view on it. ithink— is he wrong? look, simon's got his view on it. i think lots _ is he wrong? look, simon's got his view on it. i think lots of— view on it. i think lots of colleagues have different views on how to achieve this, right? and the truth is we obviously are behind the curve on housing, but we have built more than others have before, right? just recently — just recently. we don't need to trade stats. we know that there aren't enough homes being built. ., , that there aren't enough homes being built. . , that there aren't enough homes being built. ., , ., , built. over the last 13 years, we have built _ built. over the last 13 years, we have built more _ built. over the last 13 years, we have built more houses - built. over the last 13 years, we have built more houses than i built. over the last 13 years, we i have built more houses than everyone else. i agree with you — that's a good thing. but, yeah, are we where we need to be? no. do we need to do more? absolutely. simon's got his view. the prime minister's view is that top—down housing targets are not the way... you that top-down housing targets are not the way- - -_ not the way... you agree with it? yeah, absolutely. _ not the way... you agree with it? yeah, absolutely. but— not the way... you agree with it? yeah, absolutely. but i _ not the way... you agree with it? yeah, absolutely. but i think, i yeah, absolutely. but i think, clearly, we've got to do more in that space, cos i want everyone to own their own home.— that space, cos i want everyone to own their own home. should we see the prime minister _ own their own home. should we see the prime minister look _ own their own home. should we see the prime minister look at _ own their own home. should we see the prime minister look at housing? j the prime minister look at housing? it's the prime minister look at housing? it's a _ the prime minister look at housing? it's a huge _ the prime minister look at housing? it's a huge issue.— it's a huge issue. yeah, huge. you're talking _ it's a huge issue. yeah, huge. you're talking about _ it's a huge issue. yeah, huge. you're talking about the i it's a huge issue. yeah, huge. i you're talking about the people you need to _ you're talking about the people you need to move over from labour, not the core _ need to move over from labour, not the core tory— need to move over from labour, not the core tory voters you're confident _ the core tory voters you're confident aren't going to labour. is

housing _ confident aren't going to labour. is housing an — confident aren't going to labour. is housing an offer that rishi sunak needs— housing an offer that rishi sunak needs to — housing an offer that rishi sunak needs to step up on?— housing an offer that rishi sunak needs to step up on? yeah, and you aet hel needs to step up on? yeah, and you get help to — needs to step up on? yeah, and you get help to buy _ needs to step up on? yeah, and you get help to buy and _ needs to step up on? yeah, and you get help to buy and look— needs to step up on? yeah, and you get help to buy and look at - needs to step up on? yeah, and you get help to buy and look at various i get help to buy and look at various initiatives that have come in over the years. you have seen people still buying housing, you have seen more house ownership and house building going on. however, there was clearly more too — people who work in my constituency... was clearly more too - people who work in my constituency. . .- work in my constituency... home ownership _ work in my constituency... home ownership is _ work in my constituency... home ownership is not _ work in my constituency... home ownership is not going _ work in my constituency... home ownership is not going up, i work in my constituency... home i ownership is not going up, johnny. the amount of house building... earlier on, you were saying inflation's coming down, it'll get more _ inflation's coming down, it'll get more positive for tories, we'll think— more positive for tories, we'll think they're great again. that's a load of— think they're great again. that's a load of rubbish. even if inflation does _ load of rubbish. even if inflation does come down, interest rates aren't— does come down, interest rates aren't going to dramatically come down _ aren't going to dramatically come down overnight. and thousands and thousands— down overnight. and thousands and thousands of people — if you had to renew_ thousands of people — if you had to renew your— thousands of people — if you had to renew your mortgage recently like i did, my— renew your mortgage recently like i did, my interest rate doubled. there are thousands of people every month, and the _ are thousands of people every month, and the closer we come to the election. — and the closer we come to the election, more and more of those people _ election, more and more of those people will— election, more and more of those people will have found that their payments have gone up massively. i don't dispute. remortgaging at the

moment— idon't dispute. remortgaging at the moment is— idon't dispute. remortgaging at the moment is incredibly— i don't dispute. remortgaging at the moment is incredibly difficult - i don't dispute. remortgaging at the moment is incredibly difficult and i moment is incredibly difficult and interest— moment is incredibly difficult and interest rates— moment is incredibly difficult and interest rates are _ moment is incredibly difficult and interest rates are making - moment is incredibly difficult and interest rates are making things. interest rates are making things incredibly— interest rates are making things incredibly difficult. _ interest rates are making things incredibly difficult. do _ interest rates are making things incredibly difficult.— incredibly difficult. do you still blame liz truss _ incredibly difficult. do you still blame liz truss and _ incredibly difficult. do you stilll blame liz truss and quasimodo incredibly difficult. do you still- blame liz truss and quasimodo on that. ., �* , ., ., , ., that. you've seen how that is an issue across _ that. you've seen how that is an issue across the _ that. you've seen how that is an issue across the uk, _ that. you've seen how that is an issue across the uk, you - that. you've seen how that is an issue across the uk, you have i that. you've seen how that is an i issue across the uk, you have seen how we _ issue across the uk, you have seen how we have — issue across the uk, you have seen how we have paid _ issue across the uk, you have seen how we have paid everyone's i issue across the uk, you have seen| how we have paid everyone's issues -- wages _ how we have paid everyone's issues -- wages in — how we have paid everyone's issues -- wages in covid _ how we have paid everyone's issues —— wages in covid. this _ how we have paid everyone's issues -- wages in covid.— -- wages in covid. this people on minimum — -- wages in covid. this people on minimum wage. _ -- wages in covid. this people on minimum wage. this _ -- wages in covid. this people on minimum wage. this is _ -- wages in covid. this people on minimum wage. this is a - -- wages in covid. this people on minimum wage. this is a lot i -- wages in covid. this people on minimum wage. this is a lot of i minimum wage. this is a lot of people — minimum wage. this is a lot of people who have pretty good jobs and a pretty— people who have pretty good jobs and a pretty good amount of money and it doesn't _ a pretty good amount of money and it doesn't add _ a pretty good amount of money and it doesn't add up anymore. it�*s doesn't add up anymore. it's incredibly — doesn't add up anymore. it's incredibly difficult. which is why halving — incredibly difficult. which is why halving inflation— incredibly difficult. which is why halving inflation is— incredibly difficult. which is why halving inflation is one - incredibly difficult. which is why halving inflation is one of- incredibly difficult. which is why halving inflation is one of the i incredibly difficult. which is whyi halving inflation is one of the top rope is_ halving inflation is one of the top rcpe is rishi _ halving inflation is one of the top rope is rishi sunak. _ halving inflation is one of the top rope is rishi sunak. that- halving inflation is one of the top rope is rishi sunak. that will- halving inflation is one of the topl rope is rishi sunak. that will have the most — rope is rishi sunak. that will have the most direct— rope is rishi sunak. that will have the most direct impact— rope is rishi sunak. that will have the most direct impact on- rope is rishi sunak. that will have the most direct impact on that. i rope is rishi sunak. that will have| the most direct impact on that. we will look the most direct impact on that. will look at the wider picture. inflation in the us 3%. for a half % elsewhere. there have been some real external pressures elsewhere, but this country was fired to these pressures going into this, far too

much dependence on fossil fuels. we had the quantity of russian gas coming to the uk, that was massive. so many workers waiting, that is an inflationary pressure that is not getting better, the breeza deal, the additional checks on food and agricultural products in the european union and the uk, which we don't need because we have similar standards, we could a deal on that, these are real inflationary pressures. before you came and we had a discussion on this, there is no secret plan to fight inflation from rishi sunak, is to let the bank of england 's monetary policy and tried to resist bank public sector workers less money than you have actually settled on for other blues parties... we actually settled on for other blues arties. .. ~ ., ., .., parties... we were going to come back to that _ parties... we were going to come back to that. hold _ parties... we were going to come back to that. hold that _ parties... we were going to come back to that. hold that thought. l parties... we were going to come | back to that. hold that thought. do the deal with european union, making breeks— the deal with european union, making breeks et— the deal with european union, making breaks at work. no. do the deal on agricultural— breaks at work. no. do the deal on agricultural policies of making that possible _ agricultural policies of making that possible. stop the tax regime, put it into _

possible. stop the tax regime, put it into the — possible. stop the tax regime, put it into the nhs force. we possible. stop the tax regime, put it into the nhs force.— possible. stop the tax regime, put it into the nhs force. we will come back to the — it into the nhs force. we will come back to the discussion _ it into the nhs force. we will come back to the discussion about i it into the nhs force. we will come i back to the discussion about whether he is, has a radically different plan to reduce inflation. we are going to go to our remaining by—election. there is david wallace lockhart standing there. i'll we any closer to a result, david? it lockhart standing there. i'll we any closer to a result, david?— closer to a result, david? it feels uuite closer to a result, david? it feels quite imminent _ closer to a result, david? it feels quite imminent here. _ closer to a result, david? it feels quite imminent here. they i closer to a result, david? it feels quite imminent here. they have| closer to a result, david? it feels i quite imminent here. they have this stage all set up. there are a lot of cameras pointing at it waiting for a declaration. we are awaiting for the two candidates who are the two main dogsin two candidates who are the two main dogs in the fight here, the conservative and a labour candidate. holmes for the conservatives and khayre maeva to arrive. looks like they could become quite soon. chatting to people here, labour people seem to be feeling optimistic and one conservative i was chatting to said they felt they hadn't quite managed to hold onto the seat and it would go to labour, but in there was not by much. we shouldn't have too

much longer to wait to find out how this has gone. however, if labour managed to win the seat, it is a 20,000 plus conservative majority, a trueblue conservative signal far from where the prime minister has his seat, if labour managed to overturn that that will be the biggest majority they have ever overturned in a by—election. so some victory for them and will perhaps take the sting from that result, that has taken place in uxbridge tonight. i that has taken place in uxbridge toniaht. ., �* that has taken place in uxbridge toniaht. .,�* , , that has taken place in uxbridge toniaht. .,�* , that has taken place in uxbridge toniaht. , ~ ., tonight. i don't suppose you know what the turnout _ tonight. i don't suppose you know what the turnout there _ tonight. i don't suppose you know what the turnout there is - tonight. i don't suppose you know what the turnout there is so i tonight. i don't suppose you know what the turnout there is so far i tonight. i don't suppose you know what the turnout there is so far in j what the turnout there is so far in selby and ainsty, we had the other to around 42 and 46% in uxbridge and south ruislip and in somerton and frome you may not know but it may be similar. ' . , frome you may not know but it may be similar. , ., , ., similar. 45% was the turnout here. i think that was _ similar. 45% was the turnout here. i think that was around _ similar. 45% was the turnout here. i think that was around 30,000 i similar. 45% was the turnout here. i think that was around 30,000 in i think that was around 30,000 in terms of raw numbers. if there is one thing we can say about these

constituencies, they may be different but in terms of turnout by—election it seems to fall in the same pattern there. it by-election it seems to fall in the same pattern there.— by-election it seems to fall in the same pattern there. it does indeed. thank you. — same pattern there. it does indeed. thank you, david _ same pattern there. it does indeed. thank you, david wallace _ same pattern there. it does indeed. thank you, david wallace lockhart, | thank you, david wallace lockhart, will come back to you as soon as we have any idea of a result. it is ten minutes to four. we thought it would be around this time for selby and ainsty is the last by—election result to comment. let's pick up with sirjohn curtice and test the temperature of where we are. what you make of the night so far? i think certainly you make of the night so far? i think certainty that is the question think certainly that is the question thatis think certainly that is the question that is going to be much debated in the wake of these results. irrespective of whether selby in the end does go to labour as perhaps seems more likely labour falls short. we could be looking at the possibility of all three parties picking up one of the seats and therefore having something to celebrate. but the question will be which of these by—election results provides the better guide? is it the

relatively good conservative performance in uxbridge where the party stood by 7.5% or is it the new 30% drop in conservative the sort in somerton and frome and what is, certainly given what david has just told us, looks as though it is going told us, looks as though it is going to be quite a substantial drop in selby and ainsty. i think, in truth, given the conservatives themselves seem to be acknowledging that the local issue of ulez played a significant role in uxbridge, that it may well be in the end we have to come to the acknowledgement that it is selby in somerton that provide us with a better guide to extent at least, although uxbridge will provide rishi sunak with some immediate cover, may be in the end the message from these by—elections is that the conservatives are indeed in considerable electoral trouble

along the lines that the polls are suggesting. we will wait to see exactly what selby comes up with. one of a kind of historical precedent for all of this, the last time i can think of a by—election, two by—elections on the same day where the government ends up successfully defending what looks like a marginal seat and then losing heavily what seemed to be a one coming have to go back to 1977, the labour government at that time, labour government at that time, labour managed to hold on to grimsby, the television presenter, for what many thought was an effective local campaign but at the same time lost the constituency, one that the conservatives picked up in 2019, in the wake of the decision of the then labour mp david mark to go off and become a european commissioner. that seemed to cause disquiet locally. in the end it has to be said that it was the adverse

result for labour in ashfield that proved to be the more reliable guide to the direction in which labour's support was going than the good result achieved in grimsby. can i ask ou result achieved in grimsby. can i ask you one _ result achieved in grimsby. can i ask you one other _ result achieved in grimsby. can i ask you one other thing, - result achieved in grimsby. can i ask you one other thing, when . result achieved in grimsby. can i ask you one other thing, when we are talking about by—elections and the results, but the elderly your theme around which one is the sort of best indicator, if you like, of where the parties are, is there enough from these by—election results, do you think, for rishi sunak or even keir starmer to change what they are doing what to do anything different or would this be a holding pattern? i think the honest truth is these by—elections raise question marks for both of them. it clearly raises a question mark for labour howard was possible, as were saying earlier, for its campaign in uxbridge to be apparently derailed by a local issue and does that raise questions about the potential fragility of support for labour more

broadly. but the question mark for sunak is, well, we have got a different prime minister, but another collapse in the wake of a liberal democrat challenge and may be, may become a particular bad result in selby which may go down as one of the biggest swings from conservative to labour in by—election history. the honest truth is i think both of our two biggest party leaders have been left with something to think about in the wake of these results. john with something to think about in the wake of these results.— wake of these results. john curtice, thank ou wake of these results. john curtice, thank you very _ wake of these results. john curtice, thank you very much. _ wake of these results. john curtice, thank you very much. we'll - wake of these results. john curtice, thank you very much. we'll come i wake of these results. john curtice, i thank you very much. we'll come back to you further analysis when we get selby and ainsty. it could be historic if labour actually take that and overturn that majority there. natasha, picking up on what john curtice said about which is going to give us the best or better indicator, somerton and frome, back drop, huge drop for the conservatives there, the

conservatives there, the conservative candidate, do you think for conservative mps, notjust in that area, but generally, that will be a salutary message? i that area, but generally, that will be a salutary message?— that area, but generally, that will be a salutary message? i don't think it will be the — be a salutary message? i don't think it will be the message _ be a salutary message? i don't think it will be the message we _ be a salutary message? i don't think it will be the message we take i be a salutary message? i don't think it will be the message we take away| it will be the message we take away from tonight. i am personally thinking that selby will be a more interesting bellwether for more of the country than either oxbridge or somerton. oxbridge i think we have mentioned the issues, it is very, very local, it is a very different seat. i think selby will be more of a bellwetherfor that. seat. i think selby will be more of a bellwether for that. obviously seat. i think selby will be more of a bellwetherfor that. obviously the tories will be looking at the blue wall crumbling. rishi sunak needs to get his message together for those who could lose out on that. there has been talk _ who could lose out on that. there has been talk of _ who could lose out on that. there has been talk of a _ who could lose out on that. there has been talk of a reshuffle. i who could lose out on that. there has been talk of a reshuffle. a i has been talk of a reshuffle. a reshuffle by rishi sunak, waiting perhaps to get these results to make this decision, not least because ben wallace, the defence secretary, announcing that he is quitting, he is going to quit as an mp and standdown and also from the cabinet. what have you been hearing? there

have been wisp _ what have you been hearing? there have been wisp is _ what have you been hearing? there have been wisp is the _ what have you been hearing? there have been wisp is the last - what have you been hearing? there have been wisp is the last few i what have you been hearing? ii—urr have been wisp is the last few days that it could happen as soon as friday, guess we are in friday now, quite soon, and the fact that he did manage to hold on, rishi sunak, managed to hold onto one of those three scenes, he is not quite as wounded as we thought he might be, so he might feel more able to pull off some sort of reshuffle. but, i mean, in the nine months he has had injudging has been constantly moving his top team because of the characters he picked in the first place, he lost gavin williams quite quickly and he lost others. it is the constant shuffling of the top team. it has been the same issues, he hasn't really changed anything. he hasn't had a major reshuffle, has he? ls— he hasn't had a ma'or reshuffle, has he? , ., ., ., he? is he going to get rid of someone — he? is he going to get rid of someone like _ he? is he going to get rid of someone like jeremy i he? is he going to get rid of someone like jeremy hunt | he? is he going to get rid of. someone like jeremy hunt and he? is he going to get rid of- someone like jeremy hunt and be someone likejeremy hunt and be ambitious here? someone like jeremy hunt and be ambitious here?— someone like jeremy hunt and be ambitious here? let's have a listen at selby and _ ambitious here? let's have a listen at selby and ainsty. _ ambitious here? let's have a listen at selby and ainsty. is _ ambitious here? let's have a listen at selby and ainsty. is that - at selby and ainsty. is that somebody getting set up? results i would like to _ somebody getting set up? results i would like to share _ somebody getting set up? results i would like to share with _ somebody getting set up? results i would like to share with candidates| would like to share with candidates and their agents. if candidates and agents can follow barry with his

handbill in the doorway, we are going to go out of the doorway and turn right. the results with candidates and agents. out of the door turn right, please. candidates and agents. out of the doorturn right, please. let’s candidates and agents. out of the door turn right, please. let's hope the don't door turn right, please. let's hope they don't go _ door turn right, please. let's hope they don't go home _ door turn right, please. let's hope they don't go home accidentally i they don't go home accidentally following that announcement. but it does look as if we are getting to the point where they are going to be told the candidates and their agents what the result is in selby and ainsty selby will keep a close eye because it doesn't sound like it will be too long. what was your response to ben wallace's announcement?— response to ben wallace's announcement? �* ., , , announcement? ben has been in defence for— announcement? ben has been in defence for four _ announcement? ben has been in defence for four years, - announcement? ben has been in defence for four years, he i announcement? ben has been in defence for four years, he has i defence forfour years, he has worked hard, he has done well in ukraine... so are you disappointed? in politics since 1999 and he wants a break and everyone is entitled to that. �* , ., a break and everyone is entitled to that. �* , that. are you disappointed, surprised. _ that. are you disappointed, surprised. by _ that. are you disappointed, surprised, by his _ that. are you disappointed, i surprised, by his announcement? that. are you disappointed, - surprised, by his announcement? i think anyone who has been in politics that long, every time he gets an election you will be making those decisions, being in politics

aside, he has a family, particularly in thejobs he has done aside, he has a family, particularly in the jobs he has done some security minister than defence minister, think it is entirely understandable. if that is what he wants to go and do good luck to him and i was in the best. i5 wants to go and do good luck to him and i was in the best.— and i was in the best. is this a aood and i was in the best. is this a good time _ and i was in the best. is this a good time for _ and i was in the best. is this a good time for a _ and i was in the best. is this a good time for a reshuffle i and i was in the best. is this a good time for a reshuffle by i and i was in the best. is this a i good time for a reshuffle by rishi sunak? he honestly has to feel the post. i sunak? he honestly has to feel the ost. ., �* ~' ., sunak? he honestly has to feel the ost, ., �* ~' ., ., �* sunak? he honestly has to feel the ost, ., �* ,, ., ., �* “ post. i don't know. i don't think rishi sunak _ post. i don't know. i don't think rishi sunak is _ post. i don't know. i don't think rishi sunak is talked _ post. i don't know. i don't think rishi sunak is talked about i post. i don't know. i don't think rishi sunak is talked about that reshuffle at all. obviously it has been talked about in the media. i think... natarsha? crosstalk. he has not mentioned about his top team _ he has not mentioned about his top team are _ he has not mentioned about his top team are looking at it. hang he has not mentioned about his top team are looking at it.— team are looking at it. hang on, let her speak- — team are looking at it. hang on, let her speak- lten _ team are looking at it. hang on, let her speak. ben has _ team are looking at it. hang on, let her speak. ben has said _ team are looking at it. hang on, let her speak. ben has said he - team are looking at it. hang on, let her speak. ben has said he will i team are looking at it. hang on, let| her speak. ben has said he will step down, he her speak. ben has said he will step down. he has _ her speak. ben has said he will step down, he has created _ her speak. ben has said he will step down, he has created a _ her speak. ben has said he will step down, he has created a vacancy. i down, he has created a vacancy. rishi _ down, he has created a vacancy. rishi sunak, for him he should be doing _ rishi sunak, for him he should be doing it _ rishi sunak, for him he should be doing it this side of the summer. we have doing it this side of the summer. we. have to doing it this side of the summer. have to go doing it this side of the summer. , have to go work hard in our constituency, it is not a break. there is a recess away from the parliament. what a hearing of replacement for ben wallace? i think there is some — replacement for ben wallace? i think there is some sort _ replacement for ben wallace? i think there is some sort of _ replacement for ben wallace? i think there is some sort of talk _ replacement for ben wallace? i think there is some sort of talk at - replacement for ben wallace? i think there is some sort of talk at the i there is some sort of talk at the top of—

there is some sort of talk at the top of government whether they want someone _ top of government whether they want someone who is, you know, a sort of rishi _ someone who is, you know, a sort of rishi sunak— someone who is, you know, a sort of rishi sunak similar vein, someone who is— rishi sunak similar vein, someone who is maybe not going to fight as hard as— who is maybe not going to fight as hard as ben wallace did on defence spending _ hard as ben wallace did on defence spending and someone who will look after the _ spending and someone who will look after the pennies a bit better. obviously for rishi sunak i think there _ obviously for rishi sunak i think there was— obviously for rishi sunak i think there was obviously a bit of tension between _ there was obviously a bit of tension between him and ben wallace, ben wallace _ between him and ben wallace, ben wallace was was going to ask for more _ wallace was was going to ask for more money for defence, always ask for more _ more money for defence, always ask for more cash, that obviously caused tensions— for more cash, that obviously caused tensions between the two, ben wallace — tensions between the two, ben wallace back to liz truss as well, so there — wallace back to liz truss as well, so there was that tensioning cabinet. _ so there was that tensioning cabinet, will he go for someone more in his— cabinet, will he go for someone more in his image _ cabinet, will he go for someone more in his image will be looking after the pennings? that is a question he is looking _ the pennings? that is a question he is looking at — the pennings? that is a question he is looking at now. just the pennings? that is a question he is looking at now.— is looking at now. just before we go to the news. _ is looking at now. just before we go to the news, another— is looking at now. just before we go to the news, another one _ is looking at now. just before we go to the news, another one of - is looking at now. just before we go to the news, another one of your. to the news, another one of your colleagues in a bit of trouble, tobias ellwood, chair of the defence select committee, a vote of no confidence in him after he released a video saying the taliban had transformed afghanistan. was that forjudgement? transformed afghanistan. was that foriudgement?_ forjudgement? iceberg to him last niaht, i forjudgement? iceberg to him last night. ithink— forjudgement? iceberg to him last night. i think he — forjudgement? iceberg to him last night, i think he got _ forjudgement? iceberg to him last night, i think he got that _ forjudgement? iceberg to him last night, i think he got that one i night, i think he got that one wrong. look, they also want to rail

against these absolute pylons when someone makes a mistake. iie against these absolute pylons when someone makes a mistake. he clearly not... someone makes a mistake. he clearly got- -- quite — someone makes a mistake. he clearly got--- quite a — someone makes a mistake. he clearly got- -- quite a big _ someone makes a mistake. he clearly got... quite a big mistake. _ someone makes a mistake. he clearly got... quite a big mistake. he - someone makes a mistake. he clearly got... quite a big mistake. he went i got... quite a big mistake. he went out there, got... quite a big mistake. he went out there. is — got... quite a big mistake. he went out there, is not _ got... quite a big mistake. he went out there, is not the _ got... quite a big mistake. he went out there, is not the first _ out there, is not the first individual to go abroad and see a situation and perhaps not given the balance we would all like, right? think he has acknowledged his mistake and we should let him get on with it and stockpiling in on him. let's go back to selby and ainsty with it and stockpiling in on him. let's go back to selby and now, briefly, before the news and we with it and stockpiling in on him. let's go back before y and with it and stockpiling in on him. let's go back before the id with it and stockpiling in on him. let's go back before the news and we now, briefly, before the news and we will immediately return to the will immediately return to the account if we see any movement account if we see any movement there, but you can see what looked there, but you can see what looked like the labour team gathering there like the labour team gathering there and they have been told that they and they have been told that they are probably going to be told the are probably going to be told the result very shortly by the returning result very shortly by the returning officer after being instructed to officer after being instructed to file out of the building. in the file out of the building. in the meantime, of course, we have had two meantime, of course, we have had two results, two of the by—election results, two of the by—election results. a surprise hold for many results. a surprise hold for many people for the conservatives in people for the conservatives in uxbridge and south ruislip. steve uxbridge and south ruislip. steve tuckwell, their candidate now, is tuckwell, their candidate now, is the conservative mp and a stunning the conservative mp and a stunning victory as predicted for sarah dyke victory as predicted for sarah dyke

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