hello and welcome to westminster — where the conservative party has two fewer mps today. that's after the tories suffered two by—election defeats — losing safe seats to labour and the liberal democrats. labour overturned a majority of more than 20,000 votes in the north yorkshire seat of selby and ainsty. the lib dems won somerton and frome in somerset, overturning a 19,000 vote majority. their leader says that a powerful message had been sent to the conservative party. but the tories held on to borisjohnson�*s former constituency of uxbridge and south ruislip in west london — winning by just a95 votes. we'll be live in each of those constituencies in a moment — but first — here's our political

correspondent alex forsyth — on a night of by—election drama. i hereby declare that kier mather is duly elected. cheering the jubilation was obvious. in the early hours of this morning, this was the moment labour overturned a conservative majority of more than 20,000 to win in selby and ainsty, something the party has never done before. the people of selby and ainsty have sent a clear message. for too long, conservatives up here and in westminster have failed us. and, today, that changes. it's time for a fresh start. earlier, the lib dems were celebrating in somerton and frome. another huge victory for them in a seat that had been conservative. their candidate saying it showed her party was back in the west country. lifelong conservative voters have today voted liberal democrat for the first time. thank you for putting your trust

in me to deliver for you. i will not let you down. but look at this, in the west london seat of uxbridge in south ruislip, it went down to the wire. votes had to be re—counted before it was announced the conservatives had clung on. and i hereby declare that the said steve tuckwell is duly elected. cheering perhaps a surprise for some in boris johnson's former seat. the tories put their victory down to their campaign against the labour mayor of london's plan to expand the ultra low emission zone where drivers are charged if vehicles don't meet certain standards. sadiq khan has lost to labour this election in his... cheering and we know that it was his damaging and costly ulez policy that lost them this election. so now time for the parties

and pundits to analyse what these results say about the big political picture. yes, the conservatives managed to stem the outgoing tide from which they are seemingly suffering in uxbridge, but it seems to me there is little gainsaying the fact that the tide is still a long way out for the conservatives and they still have an awful long way to go before they look as though they might have a chance of being able to retain power. the campaigns ahead of these by—elections were hard—fought. the results give each party a victory, but leave some big questions, too, about who is really on the path to power ahead of the next general election. alex forsyth, bbc news. the liberal democrats have hailed the results as �*spectacular�*, their leader sir ed davey has been speaking in frome. in the last hour.

four, three, two, one. the lib dem leader has been celebrating the somerton and frome result — with an explosive display. let's listen to some of what he had to say. i'm really starting to like by—elections! laughter chesham and amersham, north shropshire, and then tiverton and honiton. and now the amazing sarah. the new mp for somerton and frome. cheering with an 11,000 majority! my friends, what we achieved here is nothing short of spectacular. rishi sunak has been visiting the constituency of uxbridge and south ruislip this morning — after the conservative victory there. he was interviewed by our political correspondent nick eardley — and here's what he had to say. prime minister, ulez has

helped you win here, but in other parts of the country where you did very well in 2019, you've been absolutely thumped. do the results from last night not show us that the country isn't buying your message and you still have a mountain to climb? look, westminster�*s been acting like the next election�*s a done deal. the labour party's been acting like it's a done deal. the people of uxbridge have just told all of them that it's not. now, no—one expected us to win here, but steve's victory demonstrates that when confronted with the actual reality of the labour party, when there's an actual choice on a matter of substance at stake, people vote conservative. well, the new conservative mp for uxbridge and south ruislip — that's boris johnson's former seat — is steve tuckwell. he's also been talking to nick eardley. was this all down to ulez? well, as you know, i've been campaigning forjust over five weeks now. i've hit pretty much every pavement slab and knocked on thousands of doors. the people of this constituency made this by—election

a referendum on ulez. they were telling me loud and clear and the many hundreds of volunteers that were supporting me, that ulez was not welcome here, they didn't want it, it was going to devastate businesses and cost families £4,500 a year to go about their daily routine. it's interesting, because ulez was originally a concept of, i think it was, the former mp for here when he was london mayor, borisjohnson. well, the decision to push ulez into outer london was very much that of sadiq khan, the london mayor. were you telling borisjohnson when he was mp here and you were a councillor that he was wrong to come up with ulez in the first place? pushing ulez into outer london was very much sadiq khan's decision, it was not borisjohnson's. so holding the london mayor to account by winning this by—election was a clear message from the people of this constituency that they don't want ulez, they don't need it, and that message now has to be heard. so let's hear from the byelection constitutencies with our correspondents —

jonathan blake in frome, and chi chi izundu in uxbridge. lie continues here in uxbridge. people are going around their daily business. as they have done that, we have had horns beeping, applause, celebrating the win. regardless of what you think of the very slight majority, a95 votes, it doesn't leave a good taste in labour pass man. before last night's election, it was thought labour would sweep the board. they didn't care. there was a recount, they did lose it by a95 votes. that is a significant dent in the confidence of the labour party. people here are saying it is a local issue. they agree with steve tuckwell, the ultra—lower emission zone payment that is supposed to be

expanded into this area by the labour london mayor, siddique khan, is a problem. we have been speaking to people who say that it is effectively taxing the very poor, because if you are unable to reach the standard, you can't make that daily, you have to fog out some money on a cost of living crisis to try to afford another vehicle that means you can either way, it is a payment people simply don't want to make and simply cannot afford. 0ther make and simply cannot afford. other people are telling us he is a local lad, and when they have contacted him on local issues, he has been quick to reply. those are the good factors of steve tuckwell and a nod towards campaigning he says he's donein towards campaigning he says he's done in this area.— towards campaigning he says he's done in this area. labour have never won that seat _ done in this area. labour have never won that seat before, _ done in this area. labour have never won that seat before, but _ done in this area. labour have never won that seat before, but as - done in this area. labour have never won that seat before, but as you - won that seat before, but as you say, they really hoped they would clinch at this time around. we heard from angela rayner, the labour party deputy leader, she was saying, this is what happens when you don't

listen to the electorate. it is a very specific local issue, isn't it? it is indeed. it has been causing controversy. there has been a lot of protesting in and around london regarding the ultra low emission zone. labour's siddique khan would say that the point of it is to try affect air quality for the poorest, those who can't afford to not live on a main road, not to use public transport. in effect, it is costing people a lot of money. the charge is over £10 per day if your vehicle does not meet a certain emission standard. if it does, you will be fined. a lot of people are finding, we are being told, in this area, a lot of people are trying to find money to change their vehicles. we had one woman tell us that her son had one woman tell us that her son had to spend £23,000 to change his work vanjust in

had to spend £23,000 to change his work van just in order to avoid the ulez payment. that is still a huge chunk of money, he has now got himself into debt as a result of just trying to get to work. that is what is angering people. we have spoken to people who don't normally vote conservative in this area, and they say that, simply because of the ultra low emission zone payment, they decided to vote for steve tuckwell because it is something they really don't want in this area. how much you think mixed messaging may have been an issue here? in that, the labour candidate came out against the expansion of the ultra low emission zone in direct contrast to sadiq khan, who is pushing it forward, and then labour party leader keir starmer decides to sit on the fence. the leader keir starmer decides to sit on the fence-— leader keir starmer decides to sit on the fence. , ,., , on the fence. the mixed messaging is an issue for — on the fence. the mixed messaging is an issue for all _ on the fence. the mixed messaging is an issue for all of _ on the fence. the mixed messaging is an issue for all of the _ on the fence. the mixed messaging is an issue for all of the parties. - an issue for all of the parties. when it comes to clear messaging, when it comes to climate change. it has been an issue here. people are confused as to where the labour

party stands on it. keir starmer�*s stance is an issue. the labour party have not been as clear until now about where they stand, and are almost taking a step back from sadiq khan and his vision to expand the ulez into this area. it is an issue. and it is going to have to be something that is cleared up if the general election is called next year. because, climate change, as we know, is present, it is here, it is now, it is being felt by everyone, but, it might not be the thing that people want at the top of their agenda when we are in a cost of living crisis, and people are struggling with basic payments. having an ultra low emission zone payment, a daily payment, mightjust be pushing people over the edge and into debt. that is the biggest message that we are getting from the people of uxbridge and souther islip. that is why they are saying, they are agreeing, the few we have

spoken to, with steve tuckwell, that is the reason they decided to vote on the conservatives, to stop, if they can, the expansion of you left payment into this area.— payment into this area. jonathan blake, welcome. _ payment into this area. jonathan blake, welcome. you _ payment into this area. jonathan blake, welcome. you spoke - payment into this area. jonathan blake, welcome. you spoke to i payment into this area. jonathan | blake, welcome. you spoke to ed davey a short time ago. clearly delighted at the huge win for his party with an 11,000 seat majority. a big win for the liberal democrats. no doubt about it. 0vernight here at somerton and frome. they were confident at the start of this campaign, the only question was how much they would win by, and how far there would be able to overturn that a sizeable majority that the tories had in the seat. and, they campaigned hard throughout, claiming to have knocked on thousands of dos apps across this vast rural constituency here in somerset. it

came good for them overnight. they claimed victory before midnight, talked about romping home, and the conservative vote being in freefall. that was borne out by the result we eventually saw in the early hours of this morning. no doubt, the lib dems arejubilant. they will this morning. no doubt, the lib dems are jubilant. they will have this morning. no doubt, the lib dems arejubilant. they will have big smiles on theirfaces arejubilant. they will have big smiles on their faces this morning after that result. they claim it puts them firmly back in the west country, here in the south—west of england, an area where they used to have a strong showing in parliament at westminster, which was right doubt after years in coalition with the conservatives in 2015. they are hoping this, along with the victory in tiverton and homerton in devon shows that they are on their way back to electing more mps in this part of the world. as a party themselves acknowledge, and speaking to activists who have been pounding the pavement in the last few weeks, today, many people lent them their boats, supporters of labour, greens, others, to remove the conservatives

and send a message at this by—election. it may well be a different picture, a general election at some point year. eur different picture, a general election at some point year. sur ed davey referenced _ election at some point year. sur ed davey referenced that. _ election at some point year. sur ed davey referenced that. he - election at some point year. sur ed davey referenced that. he thanked | davey referenced that. he thanked the former labour voters for doing that. he insists they are back and a fighting force. to what extent do you think tactical voting could be an issue in translating yesterday's when, the other night when, into a general election?— general election? there are undoubtedly _ general election? there are undoubtedly areas - general election? there are undoubtedly areas where i general election? there are. undoubtedly areas where the general election? there are - undoubtedly areas where the liberal democrats are better placed to remove conservative mps across large parts of england, mainly, come the next general election. it is in those places, lots of them here in the south—west and south—east of england as well, a smattering, up in the north of england where they will look to run a two horse race between them and the conservatives. labour, although they will never talk about

although they will never talk about a formal agreement, they will have an understanding in certain areas between them and the lib dems as to who is really going to go at the campaign and who is going to sit back, to an extent, and that the other party win. they don't want to split the vote and see the conservatives stay in place. that is a sort of dynamic we are going to see in the run—up to the next general election, certainly here in the south—west of england and other areas. but, as far as lib dems are concerned, they are talking now about 15 other seats here in the south—west that have a smaller tory majority, where they came second in the last election, or feel best placed to win, where they now have their eye on in the run—up to the next general election. their eye on in the run-up to the next general election.— next general election. jonathan, thank ou next general election. jonathan, thank you for— next general election. jonathan, thank you for your _ next general election. jonathan, thank you for your analysis - next general election. jonathan, thank you for your analysis and i next general election. jonathan, - thank you for your analysis and now, joining me on college green in westminster an executive editor

with politico europe. people were saying, well, we tried our best. in the end, we struggled in uxbridge because of ulez. it was a single issue that really turned people against voting labour. the problem for that is that, the rest of the country does not look on this outcome very encouragingly at all for rishi sunak. everything was being fought out on the ulez its own. i think there will be a real problem for keir starmer, there is a problem for keir starmer, there is a problem with siddique khan as the london mayor —— sadiq khan as the london mayor —— sadiq khan as the london mayor. in selby, 20,000 or so in that seat, that was overturned for labour. then, you see the lib dem pincer movement in somerset, and you do think, unless something is to bejudged by 0uter you do think, unless something is to be judged by outer london, you do think, unless something is to bejudged by outer london, there you do think, unless something is to be judged by outer london, there are still a huge problem if the government.— still a huge problem if the government. , ,, ., government. rishi sunak earlier noted lee looked _ government. rishi sunak earlier noted lee looked relieved. - government. rishi sunak earlier noted lee looked relieved. it. government. rishi sunak earlierl noted lee looked relieved. it was certainly not the grouting many predicted will stop it shows, when

it comes to a general election, according to him, it is not a done deal. when it comes to tory mps, according to him, it is not a done deal. when it comes to tory mp5, i don't if you have spoken to them today, how they feeling? as you say, the one when they did achieve was over one issue, that can't necessarily be replicated across the country. necessarily be replicated across the count . , , ., ., ., , country. one uxbridge swallow does not a summer— country. one uxbridge swallow does not a summer make _ country. one uxbridge swallow does not a summer make as _ country. one uxbridge swallow does not a summer make as a _ country. one uxbridge swallow does not a summer make as a poet - country. one uxbridge swallow does not a summer make as a poet oncel not a summer make as a poet once said. there is some hope here, if you are rishi sunak, or conservative mps, who are very rattled about the future, you would much rather be able to go out summer wear labour... it didn't work out in labour's interest. this is a very specific issue, it doesn't affect most of the country. frankly, it is at the margins of what any general election is likely to be about. so, i don't think it quite works, and the tories are saying that, phew, it gave us something to talk about today. the

idea that this comparison is always going to come off the worse more people look at labour... 0ut or is that? we also know labour have sucked very closely to conservative spending plans. there goes one line of attack. you don't have to look to other areas of difference. but, maybe, they are not currently so pronounced that voters are saying, when push comes to shove, warts and all come up with all the problems the tories are bad, that is not what this by—election to me says. the tories are bad, that is not what this by-election to me says.- the tories are bad, that is not what this by-election to me says. when it comes to selby _ this by-election to me says. when it comes to selby and _ this by-election to me says. when it comes to selby and ainsty, - this by-election to me says. when it comes to selby and ainsty, they - this by-election to me says. when it comes to selby and ainsty, they did | comes to selby and ainsty, they did everything at it. it is really significant. it was not even on the tory�*s radar. the a9th most vulnerable seat that they had. for labour, that shows they are getting through, the messaging is getting through, the messaging is getting through, and they can achieve a traditional conservative heartlands where there is not a labour base. it is interesting. it is building the machine from scratch. it was always unpredictable what would come out of

it. that is absolutely right. i think keir starmer can take great cheerfrom that. of think keir starmer can take great cheer from that. of course, there think keir starmer can take great cheerfrom that. of course, there is no geographical element. looking at the south, if you look at the north—east, i don't like to draw that way... it causes outrage. there is something going on here. the lib dems have managed to eat away confidently into what used to be tory heartlands around fremont. at the same time, selby, as you rightly said, it was low down the target list in traditional terms, and then you look at the more read all areas, where it feels unlikely that the conservatives will find it easy to come back there. you begin to see a map that is rather awkward for conservatives. 0n election night, —— election night. you are used to seeing a lot of labour heartlands. i think it might be more of a

patchwork. when you add it up, who gets a glass of wine with the numbers? i think it is quite right for rishi sunak to have his chin up and say, but i think the underlying problems have not gone away. there is a big but. — problems have not gone away. there is a big but, when _ problems have not gone away. there is a big but, when it _ problems have not gone away. there is a big but, when it comes _ problems have not gone away. there is a big but, when it comes to - is a big but, when it comes to by—elections, they are often seen as an opportunity to give the incoming government are kicking. they know it does not translate to a change of government. it does not translate to a change of government-— does not translate to a change of government. it is true. it doesn't sto us government. it is true. it doesn't stop us covering _ government. it is true. it doesn't stop us covering them. _ government. it is true. it doesn't stop us covering them. it - government. it is true. it doesn't stop us covering them. it also . stop us covering them. it also doesn't measure the satisfaction. it is commonly said, and this is true, it also measures the satisfaction quite well. it tells you where the dissatisfaction is, and if there is a tonne of tactical voting, particularly if you look to selby and somerset, there has been. that doesn't go away, either. people want

to tell you that it is only a by—election, but they are the same people who have spent this weekend at the weeks and months to come pouring out what happened in those seats, and thinking, where can we make tactical adjustments? where can our candidates assuage some of those local anxieties? although they say doesn't matter, they don't make it as a matter so much that they don't take a message forward into the general election campaign. that would really be doubling down on defeat. you were right, it is not the full story. the by—election is not the same as a general election, but the scale of this must be concerning for conservative mps. how much can they move towards the voters and address?— voters and address? especially a mar: inal voters and address? especially a marginal seat. _ voters and address? especially a marginal seat. i— voters and address? especially a marginal seat. i imagine - voters and address? especially a marginal seat. i imagine rishi i marginalseat. i imagine rishi sunak, his public pouring through the numbers with his strategist. what now? certainly in the coming hours, priortoday, what now? certainly in the coming hours, prior today, there was speculation. there may be a reshuffle today. especially if the results had all gone against the

tories. you think that will happen? you think that they will bed down for the summer? recesses hours away. i can ever really predict when there are reshuffles. they happen so frequently. it has been like buses. you wait for one, then there are four at once. i think rishi sunak is ready to reshuffle. when he does it in haste... he acts quickly sometimes. sometimes that is to the frustration of some of his mps. he seems to be playing a long game, and they say, the game is getting shorter. there are signs that we saw with james cleverly coming out saying, they would have to be dragged out of king charles's grand foreign office building, fingernails on the parquet. that can sometimes turn out differently. i do get the impression that rishi sunak pass early choices were about safety, keeping the right of his party on board. a couple of people in and

around the government last night were saying, the thing is, right now, you might as well go for it. if you're going to do something big, this might be the last chance you have to do it. this is really the cabinet and the front bench's strength, to do that? i think we will see where he wants to place his final bets in the next reshuffle. he may allow himself some time. my phone could go at any minute in the time—honoured way of being caught out in reshuffles. me time-honoured way of being caught out in reshuffles.— out in reshuffles. we will all get a ain. out in reshuffles. we will all get a pain- great _ out in reshuffles. we will all get a pain- great to _ out in reshuffles. we will all get a pain. great to get _ out in reshuffles. we will all get a pain. great to get your _ out in reshuffles. we will all get a pain. great to get your analysis. | pain. great to get your analysis. thank you. joining me now is mo hussein, formeradvisor to amber rudd and downing street. great to see you. tell is your reaction to those results overnight. i think there is a sense of a prize for everyone. people will be trying to make most of the victories that they have. if we take a step back, there is no avoiding this is a very bad night for conservatives. if you look at the swing away from the

conservatives in all of the seats, it does not bode well for the general election, and i think, a lot of mps, notjust someone ones in marginal seats, a lot of these majorities were over 20,000 in the north and the south. conservative strongholds, where a lot of mps will be going to recess really worried, thinking about the future and what they might want to do going forward. so, we will get a lot of the presentation today, people looking for the positives, but actually, i think that overall, particularly because the winning uxbridge was the singular issue, as we have been discussing, it does not bode well. have you spoken to were heard from many tory mps over the last few hours? any reaction from them? there is a bit of a _ hours? any reaction from them? there is a bit of a sigh _ hours? any reaction from them? there is a bit of a sigh of _ hours? any reaction from them? there is a bit of a sigh of relief. _ hours? any reaction from them? there is a bit of a sigh of relief. there - is a bit of a sigh of relief. there was always the expectation management that it was going to be 3-0. management that it was going to be 3—0. three losses. it feels like they have something to hold onto. it has put more scrutiny on labour as

well. in opposition, it is very easy to attack everything, but as you edge closer to the election, and you want to be in waiting, people look at your policy more, and the difference between what you're saying nationally and locally are at a oral level. i think it has taken the heat out of the debate, but privately, there are a lot of mps who feel that this was not really because of the prime minister or conservative party. if you look at the new mp for uxbridge, he didn't mention the prime minister or government, he said that this was a referendum on ulez. it feels like something else. an internal labour policy coming to save the day. that is not really reassure people very much at all. is not really reassure people very much at all-— is not really reassure people very much at all. . ., ., much at all. failure to mention the prime minister _ much at all. failure to mention the prime minister or _ much at all. failure to mention the prime minister or government - much at all. failure to mention the | prime minister or government didn't stop rishi sunakfrom racing down there to claim the win and stand next to steve tuckwell. i thought

that his wedding was interesting. he said: when it comes to an election, this shows it is not a done deal. does it show that if he had lost it, thenit does it show that if he had lost it, then it was?— then it was? when you are in that osition, then it was? when you are in that position. you _ then it was? when you are in that position, you are _ then it was? when you are in that position, you are limited, - then it was? when you are in that position, you are limited, as - then it was? when you are in that position, you are limited, as my l position, you are limited, as my minister, in what you can say. you are speaking to a country, your mp5, voters, and you have to sound positive. if he had lost, you properly wouldn't have seen him for a lot longer. properly wouldn't have seen him for a lot longer-— a lot longer. how positive was that, thou . h? a lot longer. how positive was that, thou~h? it a lot longer. how positive was that, though? it is— a lot longer. how positive was that, though? it is not _ a lot longer. how positive was that, though? it is not a _ a lot longer. how positive was that, though? it is not a done _ a lot longer. how positive was that, though? it is not a done deal? - a lot longer. how positive was that, though? it is not a done deal? that| though? it is not a done deal? that isn't saying, we are going to win, there is no doubt. 0bviously, he can't necessarily say that. the wedding was interesting. it definitely was. it started off on quite a negative base, in terms of the possession in polling, and the speculation around westminster that there will be a change in government. i think that the government. i think that the government currently is holding onto, do we get better economic data going forward? do we try to maintain some kind of control so that you

have no more own goals. we had a disastrous year for the conservative seven last year. no more scandals. what you're seeing with the prime minister is very much the government using thoughtful process and avoiding the personalities and internal strife and politics. there is only so much of that that he can really control. some would say that the damage is long done. i think, that approach, even, the damage is long done. i think, thatapproach, even, it the damage is long done. i think, that approach, even, it is frustrating mps. they want to see a bit more efficient, notjust winning here and there is of singular local issues, but what people are going to be voting for, what with the conservative manifesto be offering going forward? when you have such a divided party, not all of them who support the current prime minister... that is quite a complicated situation to resolve. i was reading some analyst suggestions that among backbenchers there is a sense of malaise and wariness. i thought it was interesting that on wednesday evening, after pmqs, the

last before the summer, the prime minister went to a meeting of the 1922 backbench committees and said, look, we will be back in september, we will have a clear message, we just have to stick together. how hopeful you think they feel? there are a huge number of tory mp stepping down at the next election. i suspect that number will increase as we forward. i don't think that there is much hope. if you look at there is much hope. if you look at the local council elections, the three results with a bit of a spring in the step because of uxbridge, people might go back to their constituencies thinking about what this means for them going forward. there will be looking at the government, which really doesn't have that much time left. we keep talking about the future and hope, in a year orso, talking about the future and hope, in a year or so, before the next election, how much time you actually have to get legislation through and make an impact? how is the pm tracking going to make the five

commitments he has made. in the case of invasion, slightly positive news this week, but he is not meeting his target. and just because you meet a number, people have to feel the difference in their pockets and lives. that doesn't happen straight all of these things will be weighing on conservative mp pass mines. it could have been worse for the prime truss administration and at the end of the borisjohnson for the prime could have been worse for the prime minister. if he had lost, but it is minister. if he had lost, but it is still not a great situation for him still not a great situation for him to find himself in. he to find himself in. he still not a great situation for him to find himself in.— to find himself in. he has so far not achieved _ still not a great situation for him to find himself in.— to find himself in. he has so far not achieved _ to find himself in. he has so far to find himself in. he has so far not achieved any _ to find himself in. he has so far not achieved any of _ to find himself in. he has so far not achieved any of his - to find himself in. he has so far not achieved any of his five - not achieved any _ to find himself in. he has so far not achieved any of _ to find himself in. he has so far not achieved any of his - to find himself in. he has so far not achieved any of his five - not achieved any of his five missions. he promised to halve not achieved any of his five missions. he promised to halve invasion, it has dropped a bit, how invasion, it has dropped a bit, how damaging is that going to be going damaging is that going to be going farm forward? especially in the next farm forward? especially in the next six months of year? iluuiiiiii six months of year? iluuiiiiii farm forward? especially in the next six months of year?— six months of year? will be very damaging. _ farm forward? especially in the next six months of year?— six months of year? will be very damaging. _ six months of year? will be very damaging. this _ six months of year? will be very damaging, this is _ six months of year? will be very six months of year? will be very damaging. this _ six months of year? will be very damaging, this is _ six months of year? will be very damaging, this is peoples - six months of year? will be very damaging, this is peoples - six months of year? will be very damaging, this is peoples lives, j damaging, this is peoples lives, damaging, this is peoples lives, j damaging, this is peoples lives, their day—to—day experience, their their day—to—day experience, their families. the problem, i think, for families. the problem, i think, for the prime minister, is, and i understand where you want to do is, andi the prime minister, is, and i understand where you want to do this, take ownership and this, take ownership and responsibility, particularly after we saw what happened with the liz understand where you want to do thi saw (e ownership and understand where you want to do thi saw what nership and understand where you want to do thi saw what happened d understand where you want to do thi saw what happened with the liz we saw what happened with the liz truss administration and at the end truss administration and at

of the boris johnson we saw what happened with the liz truss admirjohnson and at iii ; of the boris johnson administration... of the borisjohnson administration... when you tell yourself so closely to targets and things you say you are going to live and then don't deliver them, people do remember that, and you do remember that, and sometimes, you may be looking at stopping the boats, you might be saying