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hello, i'm lewis vaughanjones. you're watching the context on bbc news. the group who will be responsible and it is designed to earn the trust of americans. president biden trying to get ahead of the threats of artifical intelligence. working with tech companies to try to protect consumers. but full international regulation is the big challenge still ahead.
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also on programme: in the uk, new figures show rising rents help the king's personal finances. amsterdam bans cruise ships from the city, trying to cut tourist numbers and pollution. and the barbieheimer phenomena. the barbie and oppenheimerfilms are finally released, we've been talking about them for months. how has the pr worked so well? welcome to the programme. we will start with these comments from us presidentjoe biden in the last 90 minutes or so. trying to get ahead of the threats posed by ai. he has been working with seven big tech companies including the parent companies of google and facebook to try and work out guidelines, frameworks, things that they can do to protect people. that includes
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making things transparent when content is al generated, a digital watermark. also things like protecting children. it's a big challenge, he also said the us will play a leading role in attempts to secure international regulation when it comes to artificial intelligence. let's take a listen. we'll see more technology change in the next ten years, or even in the next few years, than we've seen in the last 50 years. that has been an astounding revelation to me, quite frankly. artificial intelligence is going to transform the lives of people around the world. the group here will be critical in shepherding that innovation with responsibility and safety by design to earn the trust of americans. and, quite frankly, as i met with world leaders, all of the g7 is focused on the same thing. social media has shown us the harm that powerful technology can do without the right safeguards in place. and i've said at the state of the union that congress needs to pass bipartisan legislation,
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impose strict limits on personal data collection, ban targeted advertisements to kids, require companies to put health and safety first. but we must be clear—eyed and vigilant about the threats emerging technologies that can pose — don't have to, but can pose — to our democracy and our values. let's go live to new york, this is such a big issue. president biden trying to get out in front of it. what do you make of what he had to say? i what do you make of what he had to sa ? ~ . what do you make of what he had to sa ? ~' . ., what do you make of what he had to sa ? ~ ., ., ., say? i think at the moment we are seeinu bi say? i think at the moment we are seeing big technology _ say? i think at the moment we are seeing big technology companies, | say? i think at the moment we are . seeing big technology companies, not just in america but around the world, in a arms race to develop ai tools. and so, this is an attempt to try and set up some guardrails. it is a very first, baby step and i think that is the way to look at this. after all, these are voluntarily, they don't carry the weight of law, that would require
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congress to act. and so, this is just an agreement between the white house and the companies involved. the seven major companies from met to google to microsoft to amazon to the makers of chat gpt and others. they are saying, look, we are happy to have our technology looked at for security reasons, we are happy to introduce some kind of tool that will show that something is al generated like a watermark system which might help avoid problems with misinformation in the future so you know when something is real or when something was made by ai tools. so this is hugely important, but again, most experts will say this is only a first step and that more needs to come, notjust from the us but also at a global level.— at a global level. lets look at the second issue _ at a global level. lets look at the second issue touched _ at a global level. lets look at the second issue touched on - at a global level. lets look at the second issue touched on there, l at a global level. lets look at the | second issue touched on there, is regulation. how difficult is that
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step from companies getting together, having a voluntary code to international, worldwide regulation? i think we are at the beginning of that. earlierthis i think we are at the beginning of that. earlier this week, the un security council a few miles from where i'm sitting right now held their first meeting on the risk from al. there are some states there who ai. there are some states there who say what is needed is actually a body, a bit like the international atomic energy agency to try and oversee a global set of rules that will apply to ai companies around the world. but, if you like it to the world. but, if you like it to the history of agencies like that, they take a very long time to develop. we still don't fully know the capabilities of this technology. it's just what we anticipate. so the idea that you can come up with rules, it might be years before we see them, we might need to see some kind of disaster happen before you kind of disaster happen before you kind of disaster happen before you kind of gets the urgency, the catalyst to try and develop and put rules in place. so this is a first
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step and the us is raising the issue, trying to lead on it. but again, it isjust the issue, trying to lead on it. but again, it is just the white house with biden saying he is ready to take executive action because it might be some time before congress gets to it in terms of creating legislation, in part because it is pretty divided and we only have one year till an election. so the calendar makes that a bit tricky. thank you so much for that. we will get a bit more into the details here. i'm joined now by professor gina neff, executive director of the minderoo centre for technology and democracy at the university of cambridge. biden gives these comments and talks about the guidelines. what you make of them? it’s about the guidelines. what you make of them? �* , . about the guidelines. what you make of them? �*, . ., about the guidelines. what you make ofthem? �*, . ., , , ., of them? it's a great step for the biden administration. _ of them? it's a great step for the biden administration. they - of them? it's a great step for the biden administration. they have | of them? it's a great step for the - biden administration. they have been on the front foot in terms of releasing an ai bill of rights, they are trying to do something as the correspondence said by executive action and, really, possibly, voluntary commitments are the best
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that they're going to be able to do in this political environment. but it doesn't go far enough for what we need. ~ ., ., it doesn't go far enough for what we need-— here i it doesn't go far enough for what we l need-— here in need. what do we need then? here in the uk, we — need. what do we need then? here in the uk. we have _ need. what do we need then? here in the uk, we have sets _ need. what do we need then? here in the uk, we have sets of _ need. what do we need then? here in the uk, we have sets of legislation . the uk, we have sets of legislation in place, sets of restrictions in place, we have a growing responsible ai ecosystem. the uk is positioning itself to be the place for responsible ai design, development, research. those pieces can be in place if we have the right tools, the right commitment to policy change and we have public engagement and involvement around these questions. right now, what we see coming out of the white house is a set of commitments with companies saying they are willing to mark their own exam papers and they are willing to set the exam themselves and they will decide the morning of the exam if they even want to show up the exam if they even want to show up for it. the exam if they even want to show u- for it. the exam if they even want to show up for it-- it _ the exam if they even want to show up for it.- it simply _ the exam if they even want to show up for it. right. it simply doesn't no far
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up for it. right. it simply doesn't go far enough — up for it. right. it simply doesn't go far enough in _ up for it. right. it simply doesn't go far enough in terms _ up for it. right. it simply doesn't go far enough in terms of- up for it. right. it simply doesn't go far enough in terms of giving public assurance the kind of things we need to have in place for the kind of ai that we are already using today. that is powering our banking systems, health systems, smartphones and, yes, our bbc iplayer. qm. systems, health systems, smartphones and, yes, our bbc iplayer.— and, yes, our bbc iplayer. ok, let's talk about the _ and, yes, our bbc iplayer. ok, let's talk about the specifics. _ and, yes, our bbc iplayer. ok, let's talk about the specifics. this - and, yes, our bbc iplayer. ok, let's talk about the specifics. this idea i talk about the specifics. this idea of a digital watermark basically telling people, this content is made by ai. it is al generated. how in practice does that work? is it effective?— practice does that work? is it effective? ~ . ., ., effective? well, we are going to start to see _ effective? well, we are going to start to see a — effective? well, we are going to start to see a lot _ effective? well, we are going to start to see a lot of _ effective? well, we are going to start to see a lot of synthetic . start to see a lot of synthetic medial circulating in our information environments and that is going to be really telling during upcoming elections in the uk, the us, the eu, where certain kinds of comments can circulate by apparent candidates that have been completely and utterly generated. we need to make sure that we are not eroding public trust and information and
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trusting sources because we are going to have all this noise in our system. that's watermarking stuff is one way we can start that process. that would mean if we see a clip online of a politician saying something, we should look somewhere on the screen for some kind of identification to tell us whether it's real or not? fir identification to tell us whether it's real or not?— it's real or not? or that the companies _ it's real or not? or that the companies who _ it's real or not? or that the companies who have - it's real or not? or that the | companies who have agreed it's real or not? or that the - companies who have agreed to voluntarily follow these principles are going to be willing to mark and denote media that is circulating that doesn't meet those verifiable standards. we have all seen the pope and the puffer, the pope and the puffer fold a lot of people, we are going to continue to have that kind of information that is going to be able to circulate. it is when we have a gap between needing to know, good reliable information very quickly and needing to separate our
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entertainment or humorous things from the fact that we are going to have a real challenge. watermarking is one step but it is not going to solve all of these problems. fascinating stuff. thank you so much for coming on the programme. thank ou. if ou for coming on the programme. thank you- if you would _ for coming on the programme. thank you. if you would like _ for coming on the programme. thank you. if you would like to _ for coming on the programme. thank you. if you would like to know - for coming on the programme. thank you. if you would like to know more i you. if you would like to know more about how artificial _ you. if you would like to know more about how artificial intelligent - about how artificial intelligent works, there is a new podcast on bbc sounds and takes back to basics. explains, explores and d mystifies the abode of ai. just search to understand take on bbc sounds. staying in the us — there's now a date for donald trump's trial over alleged mishandling of classified documents. the judge wants the trial to start in may next year. let's go live to washington, our north american course abundant nomia iqbal is there. what do we know? the date is set iqbal is there. what do we know? tue: date is set for iqbal is there. what do we know? tte: date is set for may the 20th and it is slap bang in the middle of the
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election campaign season. they puts it at the tail end of the campaign process and it is guaranteed, certainly right now, that donald trump is properly going to be the nominee. he is the clearfrontrunner for the nomination and just to remind people what this trial is about, he mentioned the classified documents and he faces counts of allegedly will holding classified documents relating to national security. he is charged alongside his aid with making false statements and conspiring to obstructjustice. he has pleaded not guilty to all the charges. just to give you his reaction, he says that the schedule is a setback for the department of justice, the ones who have brought the case forward. he says the delay gives extensive time to fight what he describes as an empty hoax. because donald trump wants the delay until after the presidential election. this trial would happen six months before americans start
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voting, he wants it to happen after that because the department of justice can't prosecute a sitting president and his legal advisers have been pretty much blunt about that fact that they want to kick this into the long grass and hope that it happens afterwards. as you know, there are lots of cases that are flying around donald trump. there is potentially an imminent indictment coming a third one, related to january six. it is shaping to be pretty much a busy legal calendar for donald trump next year. legal calendar for donald trump next ear. ., , ., , ., year. you brought us some of the resonse year. you brought us some of the response there, _ year. you brought us some of the response there, but _ year. you brought us some of the response there, but i _ year. you brought us some of the response there, but i wonder- year. you brought us some of the| response there, but i wonder what the political commentators there are saying about how this plays into the election cycle. what impact, if any, it will have, if it is already baked into the candidates? constitutionally, what's extraordinary is this doesn't stop donald trump from running for the presidency. not at all. there is very few qualifications you need to
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be president, or certainly to run to be president, or certainly to run to be president. in terms of his chances, as far as donald trump is concerned, these sort of thing is boost support for him and we have seen evidence of that. what he tends to do, certainly with indictments we have seen before, he gets ahead of the narrative by announcing that they are coming, uses them in his favour and there is evidence that it works if you look at the polls, certainly with republican voters. they believe in his narrative that all these cases that are flying around him arejust part of all these cases that are flying around him are just part of this political witch hunt. i think the big question is, well it matter to american voters generally speaking? because while he has many republican voters on his side, he does need other americans, voters on his side, he does need otheramericans, independent voters, other americans, independent voters, suburban otheramericans, independent voters, suburban women for example, also the black americans, these really important to voting blocs to get on board in orderfor him to win the presidency. whether or not he will look at this and think, this candidate is too much, there are too
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many indictments, legal problems around him, he not someone we would want to vote for, we don't know that yet. we will see closer to the time. nomia iqbal, thank you very for that. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. let's look at some of the other stories making headlines today. transport unions have called off next week's strikes on the london underground, after last minute talks. members from the rmt, unite and aslef were all set to walk out on several days between the 23rd and 28th ofjuly. but union leders said that transport for london had made significant concessions on jobs cut and pensions. the government borrowed less than expected injune, helped by higher tax receipts and a big drop in debt interest payments. that's £400 million lower than last june and below predictions by the government's independent forecaster. but the office for national statistics said borrowing is still the third highest forjune on record.
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members of a head teachers' union in england have accepted a 6.5% pay rise for teachers. the association of school and college leaders — or ascl — was one of four teaching unions considering strike action. leaders of all four unions have recommended their members accept the pay offer. you're live with bbc news. the latest on the inquiry into covid—i9. technical experts have recovered all relevant messages from borisjohnson�*s old phone that he had been advised not to use on security grounds and he will hand them over "unredacted" to the coronavirus inquiry, a spokesperson for the ex—prime minister has said. borisjohnson�*s spokesperson said: borisjohnson is pleased that technical experts have now successfully recovered all relevant messages from the device. as repeatedly stated, he will now deliver this material in unredacted form to the inquiry.
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the inquiry process requires that a security check of this material is now made by the cabinet office. the timing of any further progress on delivery to the inquiry is therefore under the cabinet office's control. it was always the case that boris johnson would pass this material to the inquiry and do everything possible to help it be recovered. a careful process approved by the inquiry has been followed to ensure that this was successful. live now to our political correspondent damian grammaticas. i read out the statement there in full. can you just tell us what it all means? full. can you 'ust tell us what it all means?— full. can you 'ust tell us what it allmeans? , , ., . ., all means? this is the importance of this, this is — all means? this is the importance of this, this is the — all means? this is the importance of this, this is the phone _ all means? this is the importance of this, this is the phone that - all means? this is the importance of this, this is the phone that boris - this, this is the phone that boris johnson had and was using from the very start of the pandemic, early 2020, all the way through the first roughly year and a half up until may 2021. it was a period when the government was grappling with the origins of the pandemic, what to do at the start of it, then the first wave, second wave, and even
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deferred. three lock downs, this period covers. what the inquiry wants to see on that are the whatsapp messages sent between about two dozen senior government figures. there was a whatsapp group where they could exchange messages and message each other individually. estherjohnson, as prime minister, it included him, his chancellor rishi sunak, health secretary at the time, senior health advisers, senior civil servants, and all of those messages will give an insight into what was going on at the heart of government. now, this phone number, borisjohnson had had it for years and when that fact came out and it was realised that this number been public, the security advisers said to him in 2021 you have to put this aside and not use it. it had been locked away, now they've been able to recover it and he says he will hand over. there is also been a separate legal change by the government but that was defeated. the important is this will be passed
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over and the inquiry will get an insight into those really crucial moments in the pandemic. interesting, stay right there i want to get your thoughts on a different uk politics story now. conservative prime minister rishi sunak has had two big losses in three by—elections in england. let's run through the results. there were celebrations for labour in the north yorkshire seat of selby and ainsty — the party overturning a majority of more than 20,000 votes. there was an even bigger percentage swing for the liberal democrats in the south west, taking somerton and frome, overturning a 19,000 majority. but the tories held on to borisjohnson�*s former constituency of uxbridge and south ruislip in west london — winning by just a95 votes. damian, let's come back to you. your reaction to those results, where do you think it leaves the parties? well, let's start with the liberal democrats. what it is for them,
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they, of course, traditionally the third party and this cements their position. they have now won back four of these by—elections, mid—term elections when mps stand down, they have won four of them in the last couple of years. that has included, like this one, very big swings to them. forthem, this like this one, very big swings to them. for them, this is a sign that they are back in business after having taken part in the coalition government with the conservatives backin government with the conservatives back in 2010 and really suffering from that at the polls. they see this as a big step forward and they've managed to do it in areas where they used to be strong, the seats they won was in the south—west, a strong sign for them. question for them, can they translate that into a general election which will be coming in a year or so? election which will be coming in a year orso? for election which will be coming in a year or so? for labour, election which will be coming in a year orso? for labour, a election which will be coming in a year or so? for labour, a very good
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result, similarly, in north yorkshire. again, a big swing to them in a seat that they'd never controlled. they see that as a big sign that they can draw voters to them. the? forthem sign that they can draw voters to them. the? for them was on the edge of london, the seat there which used to be borisjohnson�*s where they had a smaller challenge, if you like, or a smaller challenge, if you like, or a smaller challenge, if you like, or a smaller number of votes to overturn, they didn't do that. they just fell short. for labour, some question marks about their strategy and their approach. they say it was and their approach. they say it was a big win for them, but is that strong enough to cement their position going forward? for the conservatives, they didn't lose all three, that's the positive. they did hold onto that seat which was formerly of borisjohnson. the conservative prime minister rishi sunak says it is a sign that everything is still to play for he is not going to change his strategy. but, real questions for him because what we saw on the other elections was voters coalescing, voting tactically against the
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conservatives, so it really tells you a big picture that there are still huge electoral problems for the conservatives. 0nly still huge electoral problems for the conservatives. only one year out from an election.— from an election. thank you very much for that. _ from an election. thank you very much for that. thank _ from an election. thank you very much for that. thank you - from an election. thank you very much for that. thank you for - from an election. thank you veryj much for that. thank you for this coming on the programme. god might thank you for having me. what is your reaction, a bit of time to soak in the results, after the initial spin from the party leaders and various political commentators on what is good, what is bad, what beat expectation, what didn't. where do you think things stand now? well. expectation, what didn't. where do you think things stand now? well, i think the fact _ you think things stand now? well, i think the fact is _ you think things stand now? well, i think the fact is that _ you think things stand now? well, i think the fact is that in _ you think things stand now? well, i think the fact is that in private, - think the fact is that in private, mps are telling quite a different story to the one that they are projecting in public. in short, nobody is terribly happy with this result except for the lib dems who are very, very happy. but, the somerset and frome result was not hugely unexpected although perhaps the size of the swing was bigger than expected. there were a big
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question marks over exactly what was going to happen in selby, north yorkshire seat, because it was such a large majority to overturn. the fact that labour has one that is definitely being taken as a good site in terms of looking at the wider general election hopes for labour. that said, in uxbridge, because it was a much smaller majority to overturn, people are... labour mps are very unhappy, one person said they felt the campaign has been very timid and they are concerned that there is not enough leadership and strong direction being shown and that this is the reason why they didn't take uxbridge. 0n the other side, on the conservative side, selby, a huge loss. and again, big question there about the leadership of rishi sunak and whether he can really do enough at this stage to turn things around.
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what does this mean directly now for the election coming up? in crude, simple terms, is there anything we can learn or read from it? saying, right, this means rishi sunak has a bigger chance than we realised or keir starmer is going to be in number ten?— keir starmer is going to be in number ten? well, i don't think either of those _ number ten? well, i don't think either of those are _ number ten? well, i don't think either of those are things - number ten? well, i don't think either of those are things we i number ten? well, i don't think| either of those are things we can say at this stage. i think, probably, the main caveat is all the indications are that labour is still the likely victor of a general election. but, there are increasing discussions around the possibility of it being a labour minority government and possibly even a hung parliament. the result in uxbridge is giving conservative mps a bit more of a spring in their step. i think probably what they've seen from that is this issue around the ultra low emissions zone which is a much disliked scheme which is being expanded into the outer ring of london and to the question that mps,
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conservative mps, are asking themselves is can that be then turned into something which works on national issue, a national level, around the cost of living and can they persuade people that labour would add money to your bills miss similarly, what lessons can be drawn from the selby when? people are saying there was a low turnout there from conservative voters, annoyed at the fact that a by—election was being called at all. there are extraneous circumstances that wouldn't be at play in a general election, i do think it is still quite difficult to say with any great certainty what this means a year or so out from a general election when the whole country is going to the polls. tt election when the whole country is going to the polls.— going to the polls. it won't stop us askint , going to the polls. it won't stop us asking. though- — going to the polls. it won't stop us asking, though. you _ going to the polls. it won't stop us asking, though. you are _ going to the polls. it won't stop us| asking, though. you are absolutely right to say... uk political editor
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from taught us, thank you for coming on the programme and talking us through what the political ramifications will be. big political store in spain right now, take you to these live at pictures because sunday, election in spain. this is the last day of maine, big campaigning and candidates have been holding their closing rallies. this is the opposition leader holding his last meeting. you may remember socialist prime minister pedro sanchez called a snap election after losses in the regional elections back in may. it took a lot of people by surprise, but he called that election straightaway and that is now happening on sunday. it is pretty tight in that race. we'll bring you results here on bbc news over the weekend and into next week. i'm lewis vaughanjones, this is bbc
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news. hello, don't expect it to look or feel much like summer because the weather is looking decidedly unsettled. it will feel rather cool, often windy and there will be outbreaks of rain at times. how much rain? at this chart shows how much we are expecting to accumulate over the next few days the wettest places are likely to be across northern ireland, parts of wales and perhaps most especially across the north of england. of england, but most places getting at least a dose of wet weather thanks to this frontal system pushing its way in from the west. quite a complex frontal system. there will be various pulses of heavy rain running along it as it slides its way eastwards. moving its way into the picture, certainly, as we go on through tonight. will stay mostly dry, i think, down towards the south east of england and also in the north of scotland. and here with clear skies overhead, it is actually going to get quite chilly like the last few nights.
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temperatures in some spots down to three orfour degrees, but milder further south underneath the influence of the areas of cloud, the outbreaks of rain, with this wriggling frontal system continuing to move its way through. so a really soggy saturday in prospect across parts of northern ireland. northern england looking very, very wet indeed. that rain getting up into southern and maybe central parts of scotland, wales, the south west of england. towards the south east corner, rain not arriving until quite late in the day, but for southern areas it will turn quite windy. in fact, for southern and western coast we could see gusts of a0 to maybe 50 mph in the most exposed spots. temperatures just 15—19 degrees. northern scotland always seeing the best of the brightness, albeit with one or two showers. saturday evening, well, a bit of a wash—out for many, staying driest once again in the north of scotland. and as we move on into sunday, well, this area of low pressure just continues to track its way eastwards. now, this frontal system will tend to clear away, but this one here is set to hang back on sunday. so across parts of southern scotland, northern ireland, north wales and north midlands, but most especially northern england, it looks like we will see
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rain continuing to pile up. elsewhere, sunny spells and scattered showers and temperatures between 16—22 degrees. so many places a little below par at this point injuly. and no big change into next week. more rain at times, some drier interludes, yes, and it will stay fairly cool.
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