of this corporation. they very nearly ruined my life. i have certainly seen how they have ruined the lives of others. it's really difficult for me to sit here and talk about this because the whole point of fighting these newspapers is because i was so keen to have my privacy. i feel a sense of duty to expose them, as they've exposed us. prince harry and sir eltonjohn have launched legal action against the publishers of the daily mail _ action is being taken- against the sun newspaper. legal action against the mirror group over allegations of phone hacking. who did you hack? it would be quicker to say- who i didn't hack, wouldn't it? it'd be easier. celebrities, politicians...

i was living in this sort of super highway of illicit information. it was exciting. you felt like a spy. i don't know to this day how many people have heard my deepest secrets, my desires.— people have heard my deepest secrets, my desires. phone hacking was not practised _ secrets, my desires. phone hacking was not practised by _ secrets, my desires. phone hacking was not practised by the _ secrets, my desires. phone hacking was not practised by the mail- secrets, my desires. phone hacking was not practised by the mail on i was not practised by the mail on sunday at the daily mail. you have 'ust about sunday at the daily mail. you have just about had _ sunday at the daily mail. you have just about had everybody - sunday at the daily mail. you have | just about had everybody appearing in a daily— just about had everybody appearing in a daily newspaper saying give me the money — in a daily newspaper saying give me the money. it is in a daily newspaper saying give me the mone . , ., ., , . the money. it is not the money i am after, it is — the money. it is not the money i am after. it is to — the money. it is not the money i am after, it is to expose _ the money. it is not the money i am after, it is to expose the _ the money. it is not the money i am after, it is to expose the guilt. - the money. it is not the money i am after, it is to expose the guilt. it - after, it is to expose the guilt. it is just as i am after.

most of our stories came from associates of the people who are interested in. it might be a brother, sister, the cleaner. the show for it. and we pay handsomely. about 30 something years ago, i got out of prison. and i read an advert in the paper that said wanted, private investigator, no experience necessary. and it turned out i had a knack for investigations. i knew exactly how criminals think. i started working for all the british tabloids, around 1986. i am the guy that tracked down the girl of

jeffrey epstein that was with the prince, the favourite photograph. i tracked her down to australia. i was asked to search for a lot of british subjects who had either lived in the united states or come here to do some work. david beckham when he moved here, they wanted me to know about all of his neighbours. how he was being received, in the neighbourhood. that sort of thing. and john cleese of course was one of them. it was explained to me that danno in the la _ it was explained to me that danno in the la had _ it was explained to me that danno in the la had for a very long time been getting _ the la had for a very long time been getting information. i met him, i

liked _ getting information. i met him, i liked him — getting information. i met him, i liked him enormously, he was very sympathetic, a little bit of a rogue but i sympathetic, a little bit of a rogue but i like _ sympathetic, a little bit of a rogue but i like people like that. what i was puzzled was, some of the stuff he was _ was puzzled was, some of the stuff he was having with social security numbers — he was having with social security numbers and national health numbers. and i numbers and national health numbers. and i said. _ numbers and national health numbers. and i said, that's hardly fatal to my career! _ and i said, that's hardly fatal to my career! and he said you do not understand, — my career! and he said you do not understand, once they have that it's very easy— understand, once they have that it's very easy to— understand, once they have that it's very easy to persuade people that you are _ very easy to persuade people that you are allowed to have certain confidential information. it�*s you are allowed to have certain confidential information. it's what i referred confidential information. it's what i referred to _ confidential information. it's what i referred to as _ confidential information. it's what i referred to as the _ confidential information. it's what i referred to as the keys - confidential information. it's what i referred to as the keys to - confidential information. it's what i referred to as the keys to the . i referred to as the keys to the kingdom. what is going to happen is if someone calls up the phone company, the first thing they are going to ask them is what is your social security number. what is your date of birth? you know? what is your favourite pet �*s name? date of birth? you know? what is yourfavourite pet �*s name? if you have the information from the database they will give you everything. if there was a scandal

and the person had any kind of footing in the united states, the tabloids just knew that i could find somebody in a few minutes and they were willing to pay. i was making 20, $30,000 a month from them. even though i am probably brilliant on databases and i say that myself, i know what i can do, i am really naive when it comes to trusting humans. they would not tell me anything about what the story was about. they were just simply say, we want to find this person and we want to know everything about them. and so i didn't know what the results were from what i did.

with litigation against the good continuing attention turned to the country �*s biggest red top tabloid. the news of the world and the summer sister newspaper spaced in the same building in wapping. people knew what was going on at the news of the world, it was always denied it was going on at the sun. it world, it was always denied it was going on at the sun.— going on at the sun. it has been difficult to _ going on at the sun. it has been difficult to find _ going on at the sun. it has been difficult to find information - going on at the sun. it has been difficult to find information but l going on at the sun. it has been l difficult to find information but we say we _ difficult to find information but we say we have got evidence. six, scandal and — say we have got evidence. six, scandal and so _ say we have got evidence. six, scandal and so pat _ say we have got evidence. six, scandal and so pat made this on the biggest _ scandal and so pat made this on the biggest setting — scandal and so pat made this on the biggest selling newspaper— scandal and so pat made this on the biggest selling newspaper in - scandal and so pat made this on the biggest selling newspaper in the - biggest selling newspaper in the english—speaking _ biggest selling newspaper in the english—speaking world. - biggest selling newspaper in the english—speaking world. the - biggest selling newspaper in the english-speaking world. the sun newsroom felt _ english-speaking world. the sun newsroom felt like _ english-speaking world. the sun newsroom felt like a _ english-speaking world. the sun newsroom felt like a warren, - english-speaking world. the sun newsroom felt like a warren, 90| newsroom felt like a warren, 90 miles an hour, frantic. real commercial pressure, we had to sell better than our rivals, we had to do better than our rivals, we had to do better than our rivals, we had to do better than them. we were told on days when the mother had got a great

front page that hits were going to roll and someone is going to have to be sacked for this because we should have held up and not them. always it was about an exclusive because it was about an exclusive because it was the exclusive stories that's sold the paper. was the exclusive stories that's sold the paper-— was the exclusive stories that's sold the paper. four years after they were _ sold the paper. four years after they were married _ sold the paper. four years after they were married sir _ sold the paper. four years after they were married sir paul - sold the paper. four years after - they were married sir paul mccartney and heather mills are splitting up. it and heather mills are splitting up. it was _ and heather mills are splitting up. it was never going to be a quiet life marrying _ it was never going to be a quiet life marrying a _ it was never going to be a quiet life marrying a former - it was never going to be a quiet life marrying a former beatle i it was never going to be a quiet. life marrying a former beatle but it was never going to be a quiet - life marrying a former beatle but in a statement — life marrying a former beatle but in a statement today— life marrying a former beatle but in a statement today the _ life marrying a former beatle but in a statement today the couple - life marrying a former beatle but in a statement today the couple said i a statement today the couple said the level— a statement today the couple said the level of— a statement today the couple said the level of intrusion _ a statement today the couple said the level of intrusion into- a statement today the couple said the level of intrusion into their. the level of intrusion into their private — the level of intrusion into their private life _ the level of intrusion into their private life had _ the level of intrusion into their private life had been— the level of intrusion into their private life had been so- the level of intrusion into their private life had been so great. the level of intrusion into theiri private life had been so great it made _ private life had been so great it made a — private life had been so great it made a normal— private life had been so great it made a normal relationship - private life had been so great it - made a normal relationship almost impossible — made a normal relationship almost imossible. ., made a normal relationship almost imossible. . a ., , made a normal relationship almost impossible-— impossible. paul mccartney was untouchable _ impossible. paul mccartney was untouchable because _ impossible. paul mccartney was untouchable because he - impossible. paul mccartney was untouchable because he was - impossible. paul mccartney was l untouchable because he was paul mccartney! national treasure! and no one wants to pick up a paper that is slagging him off, simple, so heather mills went through this, quite literally, honeymoon period. when the relationship hit the rocks and it went wrong, the gloves came off. the press had it in for me, they

took— the press had it in for me, they took the — the press had it in for me, they took the side of my divorce and decided — took the side of my divorce and decided they will try and absolutely annihilate me and make me out to have _ annihilate me and make me out to have a _ annihilate me and make me out to have a bad — annihilate me and make me out to have a bad character and i was vilified — have a bad character and i was vilified and abused. they generally started _ vilified and abused. they generally started making up loads of rubbish. but then— started making up loads of rubbish. but then elements of truth started to come _ but then elements of truth started to come in— but then elements of truth started to come in and i was like, how could they have _ to come in and i was like, how could they have known that? that was a phone _ they have known that? that was a phone conversation we had. we collected — phone conversation we had. we collected hours and hours of this filming. — collected hours and hours of this filming. i— collected hours and hours of this filming, i was like, 0k, collected hours and hours of this filming, iwas like, 0k, they collected hours and hours of this filming, i was like, 0k, they are still hacking, the system going on, we started — still hacking, the system going on, we started writing incessantly again to the _ we started writing incessantly again to the press complaints commission who said _ to the press complaints commission who said they would deal with it and they never— who said they would deal with it and they never did. he is coming around with his _ they never did. he is coming around with his camera. from then on i always— with his camera. from then on i always had _ with his camera. from then on i always had two phones. at 1! with his camera. from then on i always had two phones. at i! ended up always had two phones. at 1.i ended up with— always had two phones. at 1.i ended up with six— always had two phones. at i! ended up with six films but in the end it felt like — up with six films but in the end it felt like they started to find out all my— felt like they started to find out all my numbers and work out for i was going — all my numbers and work out for i was going. it made me afraid. where

are they? _ was going. it made me afraid. where are they? are they following me? frightened to talk on the phone because — frightened to talk on the phone because you knew you were being listened _ because you knew you were being listened to but nobody will believe you. listened to but nobody will believe ou. .,, listened to but nobody will believe ou. ., ., ., , , ., you. the most notorious private investigator _ you. the most notorious private investigator in _ you. the most notorious private investigator in the _ you. the most notorious private investigator in the phone - you. the most notorious privatel investigator in the phone hacking story. glenn mulcair. he was hired by the news of the world to hack phones and he hacked the phone of murdered schoolgirl milly dowler and it shocked the whole country and the news of the world had to close and for a while he was the most hated man in britain. abs, for a while he was the most hated man in britain.— man in britain. a rare sighting toda of man in britain. a rare sighting today of glenn _ man in britain. a rare sighting today of glenn mulcair, - man in britain. a rare sighting today of glenn mulcair, the i man in britain. a rare sighting - today of glenn mulcair, the private investigator in the eye of the storm. the man who did phone hacking for the news of the world. i storm. the man who did phone hacking for the news of the world.— for the news of the world. i made a statement yesterday _ for the news of the world. i made a statement yesterday and _ for the news of the world. i made a statement yesterday and because i for the news of the world. i made a statement yesterday and because ofi statement yesterday and because of le-al statement yesterday and because of legal constraints unfortunately at this stage i cannot make any more comment — this stage i cannot make any more comment. ~ ., ., , ., , comment. with no apparent irony he had asked the _ comment. with no apparent irony he had asked the media _ comment. with no apparent irony he had asked the media to _ comment. with no apparent irony he had asked the media to respect - comment. with no apparent irony he had asked the media to respect the l had asked the media to respect the privacy of his family. we

had asked the media to respect the privacy of his family.— privacy of his family. we believe he worked for the _ privacy of his family. we believe he worked for the newspapers - privacy of his family. we believe he worked for the newspapers in - privacy of his family. we believe he worked for the newspapers in fleeti worked for the newspapers in fleet street— worked for the newspapers in fleet street including _ worked for the newspapers in fleet street including the _ worked for the newspapers in fleet street including the sun— worked for the newspapers in fleetl street including the sun newspaper. i street including the sun newspaper. i listen _ street including the sun newspaper. i listen to— street including the sun newspaper. i listen to heather— street including the sun newspaper. i listen to heather mills _ street including the sun newspaper. i listen to heather mills voicemails i i listen to heather mills voicemails for the _ i listen to heather mills voicemails for the sun. i i listen to heather mills voicemails forthe sun. i hack i listen to heather mills voicemails for the sun. i hack not only the target — for the sun. i hack not only the target which in this case was heather— target which in this case was heather mills but also friends and family— heather mills but also friends and family and associates so they could -et family and associates so they could get access — family and associates so they could get access to material from voice messages — get access to material from voice messages left by her mother. the skill from messages left by her mother. tie: skill from glenn was messages left by her mother. ti9 skill from glenn was that messages left by her mother. ti9: skill from glenn was that he messages left by her mother. ti9 skill from glenn was that he was able to blag the phone company and he did that by posing as an employee of the phone company in one department and calling someone else in another department tending to be a colleague. and getting access to the internal database so he got a telephone account, he could find out itemised phone bills, the numbers they were calling, dates and times but more importantly, he could change the pin number in order to access voicemails. the pin number protected the voicemails, you set it

to default you could hack into that phone. to default you could hack into that hone. ~ : :, to default you could hack into that hone, : . :, :, to default you could hack into that hone, : ::, :, :, “ to default you could hack into that hone. ~ :, :, . , 0nce once you are on the inside of any phone companies, banks or institution you are on the dance floor, you control the information and it got results very fast.- and it got results very fast. glenn mulcair was _ and it got results very fast. glenn mulcair was not _ and it got results very fast. glenn mulcair was not the _ and it got results very fast. glenn mulcair was not the only - and it got results very fast. glenn mulcair was not the only private | mulcair was not the only private investigator used by fleet street. there _ investigator used by fleet street. there were a number of other private investigators who were hired by other— investigators who were hired by other newspapers for example milly dowler _ other newspapers for example milly dowler. we all know glenn mulcair hacked _ dowler. we all know glenn mulcair hacked her— dowler. we all know glenn mulcair hacked her phone and was punished for it and _ hacked her phone and was punished for it and the news of the world

closed _ for it and the news of the world closed but there is evidence heard in court _ closed but there is evidence heard in court that he was not the only private _ in court that he was not the only private investigator or the only newspaper that targeted the family. it newspaper that targeted the family. it was _ newspaper that targeted the family. it was accused of deleting messages from milly— it was accused of deleting messages from milly dowler, _ it was accused of deleting messages from milly dowler, that _ it was accused of deleting messages from milly dowler, that was - from milly dowler, that was incorrect _ from milly dowler, that was incorrect i_ from milly dowler, that was incorrect. i was _ from milly dowler, that was incorrect. ! was not- from milly dowler, that was incorrect. i was not the - from milly dowler, that wasl incorrect. i was not the only, from milly dowler, that was - incorrect. i was not the only, i'm sorry, _ incorrect. ! was not the only, i'm sorry, hot— incorrect. i was not the only, i'm sorry. hot the _ incorrect. i was not the only, i'm sorry, not the only _ incorrect. i was not the only, i'm sorry, not the only investigator, | sorry, not the only investigator, not sorry, not the only investigator, hot the — sorry, not the only investigator, hot the only— sorry, not the only investigator, not the onlyjournalist _ sorry, not the only investigator, not the onlyjournalist at - sorry, not the only investigator, not the onlyjournalist at the - sorry, not the only investigator, i not the onlyjournalist at the time investigating _ not the onlyjournalist at the time investigating milly— not the onlyjournalist at the time investigating milly dowler. - not the onlyjournalist at the time investigating milly dowler. do - not the only journalist at the time investigating milly dowler. do you feel sorry you _ investigating milly dowler. do you feel sorry you hack _ investigating milly dowler. do you feel sorry you hack the _ investigating milly dowler. do you feel sorry you hack the phones - investigating milly dowler. do you feel sorry you hack the phones of| feel sorry you hack the phones of murder victims?— murder victims? absolutely, i lost both parents. _ murder victims? absolutely, i lost both parents. my _ murder victims? absolutely, i lost both parents, my brother - murder victims? absolutely, i lost both parents, my brother was - murder victims? absolutely, i lost i both parents, my brother was killed. 0f both parents, my brother was killed. of course _ both parents, my brother was killed. of course. ~ , , ., ., of course. absolutely heartfelt. you could have said _ of course. absolutely heartfelt. you could have said that _ of course. absolutely heartfelt. you could have said that was _ of course. absolutely heartfelt. you could have said that was crossing i of course. absolutely heartfelt. you could have said that was crossing a l could have said that was crossing a line. it could have said that was crossing a line. :, , �* could have said that was crossing a line. . , �* , . ., could have said that was crossing a line. ., �* , . ., line. it wasn't instructed that way, he or she was _ line. it wasn't instructed that way, he or she was a _ line. it wasn't instructed that way, he or she was a murder— line. it wasn't instructed that way, he or she was a murder victim, i line. it wasn't instructed that way, he or she was a murder victim, itl he or she was a murder victim, it was _ he or she was a murder victim, it was this— he or she was a murder victim, it was this needs _ he or she was a murder victim, it was this needs to _ he or she was a murder victim, it was this needs to be _ he or she was a murder victim, it was this needs to be turned i he or she was a murder victim, it. was this needs to be turned around quickly, _ was this needs to be turned around quickly, there — was this needs to be turned around quickly, there wasn't _ was this needs to be turned around quickly, there wasn't time - was this needs to be turned around quickly, there wasn't time to - was this needs to be turned around quickly, there wasn't time to havel was this needs to be turned aroundl quickly, there wasn't time to have a conversation — quickly, there wasn't time to have a conversation about— quickly, there wasn't time to have a conversation about this _ quickly, there wasn't time to have a conversation about this is _ quickly, there wasn't time to have a conversation about this is regarding i conversation about this is regarding that and _ conversation about this is regarding that and can — conversation about this is regarding that and can you _ conversation about this is regarding that and can you do _ conversation about this is regarding that and can you do that. _ conversation about this is regarding that and can you do that. it - conversation about this is regarding that and can you do that. it will- that and can you do that. it will can you — that and can you do that. it will can you turn _ that and can you do that. it will can you turn the _ that and can you do that. it will can you turn the number- that and can you do that. it willi can you turn the number around that and can you do that. it will- can you turn the number around and -et can you turn the number around and get the _ can you turn the number around and get the information _ can you turn the number around and get the information back? _ can you turn the number around and get the information back? nothing l get the information back? nothing else matters _ get the information back? nothing else matters. it _ get the information back? nothing else matters. it was _ get the information back? nothing else matters. it was total- get the information back? nothingi

else matters. it was total carnage. are you _ else matters. it was total carnage. are you comfortable _ else matters. it was total carnage. are you comfortable with - else matters. it was total carnage. are you comfortable with the - else matters. it was total carnage. are you comfortable with the fact. are you comfortable with the fact some of your whistle—blowers are criminals and lawyers? you some of your whistle-blowers are criminals and lawyers?— criminals and lawyers? you don't have to be _ criminals and lawyers? you don't have to be careful— criminals and lawyers? you don't have to be careful for— criminals and lawyers? you don't have to be careful for obvious i have to be careful for obvious reasons. particularly with previous, these were people paid to black and light in the newspapers. —— liars. you must pick up what they say and what they are telling you is backed up what they are telling you is backed up by documents and evidence. heather mills brought a claim against the news of the world and the sun in 2017. part of her claim was an e—mail exchange between greg miskin the main handler of glenn mulcair and he went on to become convicted of phone hacking. and that e—mail exchanges between him and the sun. this is what the e—mail says,

dated the 29th of may 2006. monitored over the weekend. and nothing new. she may not be using it at the moment. we'll keep on but not hopeful. have a couple of other islands in the fire. and what they say there is the crucial part of that e—mail is the sentence she may not be using it at the moment. we say that is a direct reference to her phone. she is not using it at the moment, in other words, i cannot access your messages and find out where she is. there is then a reply from the sun, thank you. keep looking, mate.— from the sun, thank you. keep lookinu, mate. , :, , , looking, mate. news group newspapers denied the e-mail_ looking, mate. news group newspapers denied the e-mail telling _ looking, mate. news group newspapers denied the e-mail telling greg - denied the e—mail telling greg miskin to keep looking was an instruction to access the voicemails of heather mills. they said the e—mails were about monitoring an address connected with heather mills in order to ask for a comment or get

a picture. in 2019 news group newspapers paid heather mills a significant sum of money to settle her claim before it came to trial. they admitted hacking for the use of the world but made no such admissions for the sun. news group newspapers — admissions for the sun. news group newspapers through _ admissions for the sun. news group newspapers through the _ admissions for the sun. news group newspapers through the destruction i newspapers through the destruction of my public reputation have also indirectly destroyed thousands and thousands of other innocent lives throughout the profoundly negative impact that this has had on my landmine and animaland impact that this has had on my landmine and animal and children's charities and our ability to raise funds. �* :, . ., ., , , funds. but for the claimants, this was a landmark _ funds. but for the claimants, this was a landmark case _ funds. but for the claimants, this was a landmark case that - funds. but for the claimants, this was a landmark case that paved l funds. but for the claimants, this i was a landmark case that paved the way for further action. the e—mail gave the claimants lawyers the confidence that ammunition for future cases might rest with internal newspaper documents. iuntimely

internal newspaper documents. when someone sues — internal newspaper documents. when someone sues a _ internal newspaper documents. no.9“! someone sues a newspaper internal newspaper documents. r“tau;9:"u someone sues a newspaper site internal newspaper documents. “ta"u9:"u someone sues a newspaper site has to give document to each other essentially so in the case of the sun, for example, they will have to give any invoices, payment records or e—mails with the claimants name on it and it's a case of piecing back together to build a picture of what happened at the sun and the unlawful information gathering that we believe happened there. they are especially important because there are no fossil blowing journalist like dan evans who will come forward to say hacking was going on and i saw it happen and so and so new, that kind of thing. all we have is the paper trail. br; that kind of thing. all we have is the paper trail.— the paper trail. by analysing the documents _ the paper trail. by analysing the documents handed _ the paper trail. by analysing the documents handed over - the paper trail. by analysing the documents handed over by i the paper trail. by analysing the documents handed over by the l the paper trail. by analysing the i documents handed over by the sun, the team were able to gain what they considered crucial clues into stories that happened years earlier. members of the liberal democrat party will decide who will be the

next leader.— party will decide who will be the next leader. :, , ., , ., next leader. fought liberal democrat leadershi -s next leader. fought liberal democrat leaderships have _ next leader. fought liberal democrat leaderships have had _ next leader. fought liberal democrat leaderships have had a _ next leader. fought liberal democrat leaderships have had a first - next leader. fought liberal democrat leaderships have had a first chance i leaderships have had a first chance to persuade activists they are the film to persuade activists they are the right man — to persuade activists they are the right man to lead the party. for mark alton. _ right man to lead the party. for mark alton, the goal is to lead his party— mark alton, the goal is to lead his party into— mark alton, the goal is to lead his party into power _ mark alton, the goal is to lead his party into power. we _ mark alton, the goal is to lead his party into power-— mark alton, the goal is to lead his party into power. we cannot afford to send party into power. we cannot afford to spend the _ party into power. we cannot afford to spend the next _ party into power. we cannot afford to spend the next century - party into power. we cannot afford to spend the next century on i party into power. we cannot afford to spend the next century on the l to spend the next century on the sidelines of british politics. towards the end of 2005 the leader of the _ towards the end of 2005 the leader of the liberal democrats charles kennedy — of the liberal democrats charles kennedy drinking was becoming a problem. — kennedy drinking was becoming a problem, he stepped down and i found myself— problem, he stepped down and i found myself as— problem, he stepped down and i found myself as being one of the favourites to become leader of the party _ favourites to become leader of the party. my— favourites to become leader of the party. my heart was not in it, it was _ party. my heart was not in it, it was a _ party. my heart was not in it, it was a stupid idea, it was captured by the _ was a stupid idea, it was captured by the ego— was a stupid idea, it was captured by the ego of it all and people saying — by the ego of it all and people saying you should do it. i am announcing this afternoon i am formally— announcing this afternoon i am formally withdrawing from the candidate to be leader of the party. it candidate to be leader of the party. it was _ candidate to be leader of the party. it was from — candidate to be leader of the party. it was from the leadership contest. unthought, that is a big relief. i am going — unthought, that is a big relief. i am going to spend the weekend with my family. _ am going to spend the weekend with my family, have some fun, go to the pictures. _ my family, have some fun, go to the pictures. do— my family, have some fun, go to the pictures, do some gardening, spend

some _ pictures, do some gardening, spend some time _ pictures, do some gardening, spend some time with the children. the next _ some time with the children. the next morning i woke up and open the curtains _ next morning i woke up and open the curtains and — next morning i woke up and open the curtains and saw a couple of black cars in _ curtains and saw a couple of black cars in the — curtains and saw a couple of black cars in the village hall opposite the house and i thought that is odd. iwent— the house and i thought that is odd. l went out— the house and i thought that is odd. i went out to speak to the journalists and it was then that they— journalists and it was then that they dropped the bombshell that they had found out that in 2004 i had seen _ had found out that in 2004 i had seen a _ had found out that in 2004 i had seen a male escort and they wanted to know— seen a male escort and they wanted to know what my comments were. i think— to know what my comments were. i think i_ to know what my comments were. i think i can — to know what my comments were. i think i can honestly say there is hardly— think i can honestly say there is hardly a — think i can honestly say there is hardly a day goes by when i do not still think— hardly a day goes by when i do not still think about that moment. so after 2006, the scandal which is the way— so after 2006, the scandal which is the way i _ so after 2006, the scandal which is the way i try and describe it now, i moved _ the way i try and describe it now, i moved on — the way i try and describe it now, i moved on. dry to get my life back on track _ moved on. dry to get my life back on track and _ moved on. dry to get my life back on track. and then, out of the blue, the met — track. and then, out of the blue, the met police cold me, they call me and for— the met police cold me, they call me and for a _

the met police cold me, they call me and for a meeting, the met police cold me, they call me and fora meeting, your the met police cold me, they call me and for a meeting, your phone was hacked _ and for a meeting, your phone was hacked and — and for a meeting, your phone was hacked and they revealed all the details _ hacked and they revealed all the details of what happened when i was running _ details of what happened when i was running for— details of what happened when i was running for leader and i was in tears — running for leader and i was in tears i— running for leader and i was in tears iwas— running for leader and i was in tears. i wasjust running for leader and i was in tears. i was just completely blown away _ tears. i was just completely blown away by _ tears. i was just completely blown away by what they showed me. there were tapes _ away by what they showed me. there were tapes. tapes of voice messages that i_ were tapes. tapes of voice messages that i had _ were tapes. tapes of voice messages that i had never got. i had never heard _ that i had never got. i had never heard. these were messages from people _ heard. these were messages from people such as sir menzies campbell, the itv— people such as sir menzies campbell, the itv correspondent tom bradby, messages _ the itv correspondent tom bradby, messages which if i had got them, i actually— messages which if i had got them, i actually might have done things differently. the reason i hadn't got them _ differently. the reason i hadn't got them was — differently. the reason i hadn't got them was because the news of the world _ them was because the news of the world had — them was because the news of the world had got them. mark them was because the news of the world had got them.— them was because the news of the world had got them. mark alton had been exoosed _ world had got them. mark alton had been exposed on _ world had got them. mark alton had been exposed on the _ world had got them. mark alton had been exposed on the sunday - world had got them. mark alton had been exposed on the sunday in i world had got them. mark alton had been exposed on the sunday in the l been exposed on the sunday in the news of the world for a six scandal. we believe on the monday having seen their big rivals get the story about mark alton, the sunset can we have a

piece of this, let's look at some of the other leadership contenders and simon hughes was one of them. it looks... —— we have been in the costa _ looks... —— we have been in the costa del— looks... —— we have been in the costa del sol. _ looks... —— we have been in the costa del sol. we looks... -- we have been in the costa del sol.— costa del sol. we looked at the ollin: costa del sol. we looked at the polling seem — costa del sol. we looked at the polling seem to _ costa del sol. we looked at the polling seem to suggest - costa del sol. we looked at the polling seem to suggest i i costa del sol. we looked at the polling seem to suggest i was l costa del sol. we looked at the | polling seem to suggest i was in costa del sol. we looked at the i polling seem to suggest i was in the meet, we were in good shape and good nick. a ., meet, we were in good shape and good nick. ~' : :, . meet, we were in good shape and good nick. ,, ~ :, ., , meet, we were in good shape and good nick. ~': :, . , meet, we were in good shape and good nick. ~~ :, ., , :, nick. mark alton had been exposed on the sunday- — nick. mark alton had been exposed on the sunday- 0n _ nick. mark alton had been exposed on the sunday. on the _ nick. mark alton had been exposed on the sunday. on the tuesday, - nick. mark alton had been exposed on the sunday. on the tuesday, an i the sunday. 0n the tuesday, an e-mail— the sunday. 0n the tuesday, an e-mail is— the sunday. 0n the tuesday, an e-mail is sent _ the sunday. 0n the tuesday, an e—mail is sent from _ the sunday. 0n the tuesday, an e—mail is sent from the - the sunday. 0n the tuesday, an e—mail is sent from the sun- the sunday. 0n the tuesday, an. e—mail is sent from the sun news editor— e—mail is sent from the sun news editor and — e—mail is sent from the sun news editor and that— e—mail is sent from the sun news editor and that e—mail_ e—mail is sent from the sun newsl editor and that e—mail remarkably contained — editor and that e—mail remarkably contained a — editor and that e—mail remarkably contained a summary— editor and that e—mail remarkably contained a summary of— editor and that e—mail remarkably contained a summary of an - editor and that e—mail remarkably. contained a summary of an itemised phone _ contained a summary of an itemised phone bill— contained a summary of an itemised phone bill from _ contained a summary of an itemised phone bill from simon— contained a summary of an itemised phone bill from simon hughes - contained a summary of an itemisedi phone bill from simon hughes home phone _ phone bill from simon hughes home phone which — phone bill from simon hughes home phone. which cannot _ phone bill from simon hughes home phone. which cannot be _ phone bill from simon hughes home phone. which cannot be obtained i phone. which cannot be obtained legally~ _ phone. which cannot be obtained leaall . , ., phone. which cannot be obtained leuall. _, phone. which cannot be obtained leuall _ ,., :, phone. which cannot be obtained leuall. ,. ., ., legally. there is a payment to a known private _ legally. there is a payment to a known private investigator. i legally. there is a payment to a | known private investigator. that legally. there is a payment to a i known private investigator. that was used to obtain phone bill data,

itemised phone bills and phone numbers. , , , :, , numbers. this itemised phone bill showed courts _ numbers. this itemised phone bill showed courts to _ numbers. this itemised phone bill showed courts to a _ numbers. this itemised phone bill showed courts to a gay _ numbers. this itemised phone bill showed courts to a gay chat i numbers. this itemised phone bill showed courts to a gay chat line i showed courts to a gay chat line from _ showed courts to a gay chat line from the — showed courts to a gay chat line from the home _ showed courts to a gay chat line from the home phone _ showed courts to a gay chat line from the home phone or- showed courts to a gay chat line from the home phone or simonl showed courts to a gay chat line - from the home phone or simon hughes. it from the home phone or simon hughes. it was _ from the home phone or simon hughes. it was a _ from the home phone or simon hughes. it was a persistent _ from the home phone or simon hughes. it was a persistent call— from the home phone or simon hughes. it was a persistent call from _ from the home phone or simon hughes. it was a persistent call from the - it was a persistent call from the sun saying that they wanted to talk to me personally about a personal matter and not willing to talk to any of my team. at the time i didn't have any idea what the issue will be. a meeting with the sun journalist happened on the parliamentary estate and the assertion he put to me was that they had evidence that i had been making phone calls to a gay or man—to—man chatline and they wanted to know what response i would make to that. there were black clinic was not used in the conversation. but very quickly i said, yes, i accept that has happened, i have had relationships with women and men, i

do not think it is a matter of public interest. it seemed to me it was better to be honest and upfront about that and hope that in a way, that would be the end of it. i was angry. and embarrassed. i had never gone public about my sexuality, a member of the christian church and it is an issue in the church. i had family members for whom this would have been difficult. my mother who was living on her own, a widow, it was living on her own, a widow, it was difficult.— was living on her own, a widow, it was difficult. effectively detonated my campaign- _ was difficult. effectively detonated my campaign- 5 — was difficult. effectively detonated my campaign- 5 lib _ was difficult. effectively detonated my campaign. s lib dem - was difficult. effectively detonated my campaign. s lib dem policy i was difficult. effectively detonated my campaign. s lib dem policy to| my campaign. 5 lib dem policy to li-ht my campaign. 5 lib dem policy to light until— my campaign. 5 lib dem policy to light until you are found out? the disclosure to _ light until you are found out? the disclosure to the sun comes after a week— disclosure to the sun comes after a week of— disclosure to the sun comes after a week of an — disclosure to the sun comes after a week of an interview— disclosure to the sun comes after a week of an interview with _ disclosure to the sun comes after a week of an interview with the - week of an interview with the independent— week of an interview with the independent newspaper- week of an interview with the independent newspaper in i week of an interview with the i independent newspaper in which week of an interview with the - independent newspaper in which he denied _ independent newspaper in which he denied past — independent newspaper in which he denied past sexual— independent newspaper in which he denied past sexual experiences i independent newspaper in which he denied past sexual experiences but| denied past sexual experiences but today— denied past sexual experiences but today he _ denied past sexual experiences but today he apologise _ denied past sexual experiences but today he apologise for _ denied past sexual experiences but today he apologise for misleading i today he apologise for misleading people _ today he apologise for misleading people [— today he apologise for misleading --eole. a, today he apologise for misleading --eole. t, ,

people. i went from being the favourite to _ people. i went from being the favourite to the _ people. i went from being the favourite to the outside - people. i went from being the favourite to the outside of- people. i went from being the favourite to the outside of the campaign within 204i was. something is clearly wrong when people can obtain private information of this nature and it has no public interest in terms of how the person does the job, whatjob they do, it is not illegal. there is something clearly wrong. in 2019 simon hughes launched the first claim directly against the sun. , ., ., , ., first claim directly against the sun. ,., .,, ., ., , sun. the son obtained illegally the itemised home _ sun. the son obtained illegally the itemised home phone _ sun. the son obtained illegally the itemised home phone bill- sun. the son obtained illegally the itemised home phone bill of- sun. the son obtained illegally the itemised home phone bill of my i itemised home phone bill of my associate and friend simon hughes. and outed him against his will as bisexual in an article that was frankly intrusive and homophobic. doctor evan harris a former lib dem mp discovered his phone number was one of those listed in the itemised

phone bill or simon hughes and he lodged a claim against the sun and the news of the world. as with heather mills, news group paid to settle both cases before they went to trial. as the former director of hacked off onto a campaign and using the legal system now to have a go at the tablets? ~ u, tablets? when i run the campaign i encountered _ tablets? when i run the campaign i encountered victims _ tablets? when i run the campaign i encountered victims of _ tablets? when i run the campaign i encountered victims of press - tablets? when i run the campaign i l encountered victims of press abuse, whistle—blowers who wanted to say what had gone on. that is a combination of knowledge and experience that is clearly helpful to claimants. thejob experience that is clearly helpful to claimants. the job we do as paralegals now is to assist the claimants. so yes, i am a frustrated campaigner because the job i claimants. so yes, i am a frustrated campaigner because thejob i am currently doing is focused on the

legal side of things. but this appears to be the only way for the truth to come out.

it's not all doom and gloom, the weather story for this sunday and we've already had lovely sunshine in devon earlier on. there is some rain and some of it quite heavy and persistent. this was lancashire earlier this morning and most of the heavy rain across northern england, north wales and northern ireland and it is stubbornly sitting there as you can see from the latest radar picture this morning so to the north and south it is sunny spells and scattered showers but underneath the cloud and rain it is cool and disappointing and just

on the edge is manchester and liverpool, the cricket and the golf which might be impacted today. some of the rain quite persistent and the totals will top up and we will see at least two or three inches of rainfall before the system clears and in addition to the rain we've already seen. but we will have sunny spells and a few scattered showers in scotland and the same for england and wales and with a little more sunshine and temperatures will be a degree or so higher than yesterday with top temperatures expected of 23 degrees, 73 fahrenheit. underneath the cloud and rain it's been a cool afternoon in the rain will continue to shift its way very slowly southwards and it will weaken a little and behind it a northerly flow will dig in and we will have clearer skies so a cooler start to monday morning across scotland, milder, with the cloud and rain around. that front is still to clear during monday morning and really it will be across the

bristol channel towards lincolnshire first thing and some showery outbreaks of rain sinking south. sunshine behind but because of the northerly component, it will drive in some showers across the far north—west of scotland and it will be that bit fresher. and the temperatures are disappointing this time of year, 14 to 20 degrees as the overall high. looking further ahead, tuesday will be a quiet story as well but as we move into the middle of the week we do it all again, another low will start to push on from the atlantic bringing yet more wet and unseasonably windy weather for the time of year, so sally through the middle part of the week it's quite unsettled. sunny spells but still the temperatures are disappointing for the end ofjuly. (tx weather)

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